FC pundits can't stop arguing over Champions League away goal rule | Extra Time | ESPN
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- The news that UEFA might be reviewing its away goals rule for Champions League and Europa League gets the ESPN FC pundits into a heated argument, between Steve Nicol, Alejandro Moreno and Ian Darke, with Dan Thomas trying to shepherd the conversation.
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They should’ve kept the rule in but it should’ve been amended that if a tie goes to extra time then the rule is suspended.
Love how Dan literally didn’t say a word just sat back laughing.
I feel like the away goal should only count in normal time. Any goals scored in extra time dont count towards the away goal since theyve had more time away.
Yes, I was so confused when I looked at a previous champions League season and saw that. It sounded ridiculous.
Not really! The whole point of an away goal weighing more is to counterbalance the advantage the home team has by playing on their own stadium with the support of the crowd, thus leveling the field in some shape or form. Abolishing this rule mid-match and suddenly unleveling the contest does not make any sense, since you're not playing the "tiebreaker" on a neutral ground. So, either you completely get rid of the rule, or you leave it in place for the entire tie.
this is so true... away goals shouldnt be counted from extra time onwards...... so unfair for the 2nd leg home team
@@TheMrcauchy It makes less sense to leave it in during extra time
@@ishaandw Sorry, but I don't agree. It's the principle that it's harder to score goals away from home that's behind this rule. When the extra time starts, they're still playing in conditions which are biased towards the home team. What you're saying is whichever of the two teams is not lucky enough to host the 2nd leg should be on the downside of advantage in the extra time.
Steve Nicole's arguments have now hit a new low !!!
You've hit a new low of dumbness by not explaining why or how.Steves reasoning may have been a bit vague but hes right,the Away Goal Rule should stand cos its a daunting task to score or win away from home,the away crowd,the travel,unfamilar ground,all play a part.The Away Game may not be as big deal when ur playing small teams in group stages but when ur playing a team neck to neck with you playing at their Home and winning is not easy.CL will change if away goal rule is scrapped,there will be huge change in tactics,teams will attack at home and park the bus at away games,play for penalties,etc.
If you knew what Steve Nicole played when he was a player you can see his point of view ... But I honestly believe the away goal should be scrapped ... Just best of 2 games ... Most goals wins ... Or why not make it 2 games ... One team wins and then the other team wins the next game so they go to extra time then on and then penalties or play a 3rd game to decide it at a neutral stadium (anywhere that isn't a home game to either) ... But it shouldn't and won't ever be that complicated .... So that's why if it's a draw after 2 games the second match should just go to extra time ... Or play a golden goal in ET ... And if it's tied either way take it to pens ....
In the end you have to win the game . That's the point that Ali was also trying to make . Though playing at home gives motivational advantage and pitch suitability but it also add extra pressure .For eg in that Barcelona comeback against PSG ,if sergi Roberto had not scored that goal ,Barca would have won the match 5-1 , but won't have gone to lose it , despite playing so brilliantly. Coming to Steve's argument of defending , you can also defend irrespective of whether away goal exsists or not .
@barry instead of pretending that you know everything about football, just try and understand others' argument.I know what a huge difference home atmosphere makes (Anfield experience, just once though) .But how a good home performance say that 7-1 is better than 6-0 . Which is more dominant. If both teams screwed up away matches then , how will you say which screwed up more if scores are level .And amongst this debate , Steve Nicole is arguing art of defending is getting lost .That is why I said , his comments appear out of place confusing .
Try and understand before passing the verdict and writing off anyway.
Aviral Tripathi, hypothetically, Qrabg vs Bar 0-0,Bar vs Qrabg 1-1. Barcelona is supposed to get 30 more minutes to win at home??
Away Goal is what makes this competition unique
Away goals sucks and it kills off way too many ties. Once you grab that away goal in the 2nd leg the rest of the game is boring because it takes a miracle to win
Raps United and thats what makes it more fun we want to see those mircales
aghytyd as yea it’s so much fun when the home team is scared to attack because the away teams goal is worth more than home teams goal. I can’t tame my excitement 😐
@@manuntd373 lol why do people like you watch football...you kill the game
Skyfrost 13 that’s not very nice :) imagine the away goal rule never existed and then someone brought it up... no one would want it! People just don’t like change. It’s better with no away goal rule
The away goal rule being abolished would rule out something unique about the sport. The 12th player, the fans. If you go to a stadium known to have a tough atmosphere and you grab a goal and then go through on away goals you deserve it because you had the strength to endure the atmosphere, which is an advantage for some teams
I completely agree.
fans should not matter on the field play
Z O someone is salty that their best player didn’t get nominated for the best player.
Z O FOH troll. If anything what he’s saying is a disadvantage to Liverpool who arguably have the best Home field advantage of the top sides in UCL. O and also, didn’t Liverpool beat the side that spanked Barcelona in the second leg? They did? O ok, climb back into your hole you gremlin
What about plastic clubs like man city who cant even fill seats on a UCL night
Is it me or everyone to whom Steve Nichols does not make sense at all?
Just you I think
Not sure how that's a sentence.
Away goals encourage away teams to attack instead of parking the bus
The problem with that is it makes a 0-0 draw at home a good result. Then all you have to do is get any draw away and you're either through or going to extra time.
No, it makes teams with a great squad park the bus after getting the away goal. No Qarabag is ever going attacking at a Camp Nou
Parking the bus may not be the most entertaining style of play but it is a style of play that should not be discouraged. Defending is such an underrated skill in football. Being able to defend with discipline for an entire match is a brilliant achievement. It requires great team chemistry and communication to cover every opponent and passing lane, it requires significant understanding of how your opponents play, and it requires an immense amount of stamina and mental toughness especially in the final minutes when everyone is gassed and prone to error. If parking the bus is a winnable tactic, then instead of discouraging it, come up with a strategy to stop it.
That is a good point
Dan Thomas was loving this. lol
Just look at Roma - Barcelona last season, Roma went through on away goals they were rewarded for playing attacking football at the Camp nou. That 1 away goal gave them a chance and they managed to win 3-0 at home! This makes the UCL special in my opinion and would be a shame if the rule was scrapped.
Well the rule has been scrapped but we've still seen great games since
The away goal rule is designed to have more even games (both attacking/defending) in each leg. As an away team, instead of just sitting deep and trying not to concede, you are now incentivised to push for a goal. Equally the home team can't just throw wave after wave of attack at the other team, they are made to be defensively responsible.
Stevie wasn't explaining this very well.... but that's essentially the point he was trying to convey.
Steve Nichols can’t present a logical argument other than the fact that he prefers defending to attacking
christian10 no, he is asking for a more level playing field that gives the smaller teams a chance against the bigger clubs.
He should change his name to Charlie Brown because he is a blockhead
Away goals is the best. It leads to situations in which a team can go from winning to losing and vice versa by one goal. So much more tension.
XhoowieX cough cough spurs mancity
@@francis2728 yes, and Spurs vs Ajax, and even Liverpool vs Barcelona - after the great comeback there was great tension because Barcelona were still just a goal from flipping the tie.
Away goals rule shouldn't count in extra time.
There is an argument for the away goals rule, but Stevie presented something confusing. The away goal rule is meant to be a leveler for teams when they play away. But, i think people also overlook that both teams have a home match. What comes to mind is dortmund vs Madrid back in 2013. Supposing madrid were to win 3-0, why is their 3-0 victory at home more meritous than dortmunds 4-1 win at home? It doesn't seem to make sense. If a team at home draws 0-0 in the first leg and have a tough 2nd away leg, then the onus is on the team that didnt deliver in the first leg. I dont seem to have too many gripes with the current system as others do, but the logic of the rule doesnt seem to add up
It's a way to avoid extra time and penalties, I don't always think the better side can be determined from such. You want to advance, win decisively over 2 legs, end of story.
Long time ago, but they didn’t concede at home
I agree with Stevie. Why should a team be forced to play extra time in the opposition's stadium and potentially penalties as well? I'd rather do it in my stadium and the opposition would say the same thing. The away goal rule was made to prevent this sort of psychological pressure of away teams in the home team's stadium.
that is the most amazing logical comment i ever read in youtube in my entire life ,well done my freind
Beat the opposition and you won’t have to worry about extra time. Sometimes you’re going to be the home team in the return leg other times your not. This game is for adults not babies.
@@xtrey19x I am sure your team has lost due to away goal rules in the recent past. You seem upset. Is everything okay little one? You do realise everyone knows this is an "adult's competition" and I highly doubt UEFA cares about keyboard warriors.
Siddy Kay Well uefa is reviewing the rule so obviously they care. You’re the one that seems upset that points for simply participating may be a thing of the past.
@@xtrey19x Simply participating? No one gets points for participation. As is obvious, the highest goalscorer goes through - that's how the entire sport works in principle - regardless of the competition. However no team wants to play extra football if the goals are even in number in the opponent's stadium because that in itself favours the home side. That's why finals are always battled in neutral locations.
I think it should completely get scrapped all together
Away goal rule makes sense. There should be a rule for the penalties. The player who was fouled should only be allowed to take the penalties.
See Barcelona vs Man Utd last night, or Man City vs Real Madrid last year. Those games don't happen in the same manner if the away goals rule was still around.
I think it also incentivizes a team that won handily at an away venue to defend and play great when they come back at home
The away goal rule is horrible. 1 goal should be worth 1 goal.
Never liked the away goal rule.
The team that goes through to the next round should always score more goals than there opponents
Mourinho have suggested to abolished this rule, therefore it should not be abolished as after some time, he'll say champions league will regret removing this rule just like he said for early summer window close
I don't see the problem I see Steve Nicole's point, stop bullying him, he's right it makes teams want to defend. The problem is nobody cares about defending we want to see goals, so in my opinion it's better to get rid of the rule just to see more goals.
The away goal rule is stupid. And makes ties end prematurely. Example: 2nd leg of 2017 CL semi final Atletico vs Real, after losing 3-0 in the Santiago Bernabeu 1st leg.. Atletico started the second leg with scoring two goals in the first 20 minutes and the tie was alive and exciting everybody's fired up.. Then Real scored a goal in the 40 minute and the game was over.. Atletico had to score 3 goals instead of 2. The second half was boring and the game ended 2-1.
Guess how many people have turned their TV's after the Madrid goal all due to the stupid away goals rule.
Away goals count in domestic leagues as well, as they look at the head to head during the season, if two teams have the same points, and same goal difference.
To me, Stevie is making so sense. A goal is a goal. If you play Barca in a knockout stage, that means you were somewhat good to get there. So deal with it. There should be no advantage for any "small" team for scoring a goal at home against a "big" team.
there is no advantage both teams can benefit if they play the game according to the rules and last time a check both teams have 90 min to score as many away goals as the can
so sense or no sense
Bad rule, if tied at aggregate, just go onto extra-time since its home-field advantage anyways in second legs. There's your "bonus" for being the home team.
Please have the defending discussion. I'm interested in hearing their perpective
The away goal rule should still remain the tiebreaker of the UEFA competitions. It gives an unique prospect in association football.
away goal is a big loss to the sport and was a 100% better tie-breaker than Penalties.
I get nightmare flashbacks of Ajax going out to Tottenham in the 2019 CL SF after NEVER being behind in the tie every time someone mentions the away goal rule.
A lot of the reasons that people have said it should stand are farcical but it should. Teams used to go away and shut up shop for the 0-0 away and it made the games boring
Nicol now knows how it feels to have comments taken out of context
There seriously is not relevant advantage at playing at home in today's football. This rule should have been abolished years ago already.
Personally i like the away goal rule. Its strategy how teams chose to play and its rewarding for teams that can keep clean sheets at home.
If you want teams to stop parking the bus then scrap the away goal rule.
It's the dumbest rule ever. somebody gets lucky ones and then it doesn't matter how well you play. How many times have great teams lost a game away just by 1 goal, because somebody go luky or they didn't have the right lineup, and they played out of their minds and still lost because of that stupid rule
I agree with Stevie, what's the point. People say "it's harder to score away from home", yeah and it's also harder to keep a clean sheet away from home, but no one talks about "away clean sheets".
Stevie Nicol is right. This is a dumb rule change because it takes some pressure away. Scoring an away goal is without a doubt harder than scoring one at home. So they shouldn't hold that same value.
It should 100% be scrapped. It’s not harder to score away from home than it is to score at home in the UCL. It punishes teams who want to attack in their home stadium. Horrible rule
christian10 football is not all about attacking,
teams shouldn't need incentive to defend or attack just make it all the same. the current system forces one team to attack and the other to sit back in each of the legs. I reckon matches would be much more fun without the away goal shit.
christian10 I agree let’s get the over thinking over tactical out of it and let’s just go out there and play and may the best team win . Give the home fans more excitement
Its not harder to score away from home?You dont know the effect away crowd has.Any footballer knows theres a significant difference between playing Home and Away.
yeah that's why each team gets one game at home and one away. there's no advantage
Away goals should always count, that makes it competative
Steve had a point, it’s about keeping that very important clean sheet at home. this is the very rule that makes this competition interesting where small teams can cause upsets even with a draw away with that very important away goal!
Small teams can still cause upsets even without the away goal rule
But the away goal has added some magic to football... Need I remind us of Barca-PSG 😂😂😂
Though I repeat, I am not for it
Scrap away goal rule. Let the team that finished 1st in their group host the second leg, that way their reward for finishing top is ET and penalties at home if it does happen. In later rounds, you could determine it by a ranking or some sort of random draw if both teams finished top or both 2nd. Just like it other american sports, the higher seed is rewarded with game 7 at home if it goes that far.
This change they are discussing is very questionable. Right now it's the home teams which are somehow blocked in terms of going all upfront as they may be afraid of conceding. But if this rule was changed, it could mean away teams would be playing even more defensive than they do now, because this goal or especially goals (more than one) they sometimes aim for would be less valuable than it is now.
Why don’t they play 2 legs in neutral stadiums and ditch the away goal?
if is in neutral ground there is no need for 2 games
In mathematical terms, they away goal is as good as 2 times a goal. Expressed as 2x, an away goal's weight is twice as heavy. Consistent in any situation, check ;) Question is, is it fair to have a goal twice as good when you're away?
For anyone asking, here's a situation, real time:
AFF Suzuki Cup 1st Leg
Vietnam vs Philippines
December 2, 2018
Home:PHL
🇻🇳2:1🇵🇭
A2:1H Leg 1
Value of Away goal = 4:1
(2:0 for H to win) because 2 away goals is as good as 4 goals, twice the value plus the 1 home goal allows for a minimum situation for the Philippines to win.
in the second leg, if new score line is 0:1, which will yield 2:2 on AGG, the value of the away goal is consistent at 2x, this is expressed as;
2:1,1st leg: (away)2x:x
+
0:1, 2nd leg: 0:2x(away)
=2(2):1
+ 0:2(1)
=4:3, Vietnam still wins if PHL scores 1-nil in the 2nd leg
this explains in mathematical terms why this situation requires at least a 2-nil away-win on the 2nd leg.
Away goals should be worth more than Home goals. This makes having home field have at least one risk and makes for more interesting football
i'm for the away goal. it's always harder to score away from home, so whoever scores more away from home gets the advantage. don't get why steve has to drag it so far tho.
If a game reaches extra time after the 2nd leg, the away goal shouldn't count in extra time... so only for 180 minutes(90 in first leg +90 2nd leg). Not fair for who ever plays home the 2nd leg
Jeffame7 the home team for 2nd leg is the group winners which makes sense, they earned it. Then for the rest of the tournament, the team with the better coefficient should get home for the 2nd leg
Steve needs to stay away from drugs.
We are asking the wrong question(s). The away goal worth TWO has been
accepted for 56 years as a good alternative to flicking a coin to decide
who goes through and only now that the rule benefits PORTUGAL it is
being questioned. I am absolutely convinced that if instead of
Portugal it was France befitting, the rule would not be questioned.
The rule will never be scrapped... just questioned because it Portugal
that's involved.
Away goals make footballers good at math!
If they ever take the away goal rule away the champions league will NEVER be the same
lol the team that scores more would still advance over 2 games... makes perfect sense to me
Ian Darke conducts himself like a professional.
Wtf is he on about the bonus for good defending is helping your team win the game....
They are just trying to undermine and disregard the influence of the fans.
Get better guys as analysts!!!! Are you kidding me with this? As someone who has followed this sport for 25 years I have never gone to ESPN for the news. There is no credibility there. Do you think you can just get some people with accents and they are automatically qualified to talk about the sport? That shows how out of touch ESPN is in the culture.
The away goal is like the United States electoral college.
The away goal rule encourages team to attack away from home instead of parking the bus as United found out against Sevilla last year.
Makes sense to have away goals. Add drama and intensity
Scratching the away goal rule would open the ties up so much more and seems more fair, since both teams have a home game anyway.
the implementation of VAR is more important to be honest. personally I think that more attacking football will play without the away goals rule.
But also away goals make each and every leg of the match very important
“qarabag should be rewarded for defending well against barca” well yeah the reward is the clean fuckin sheet
So if it's level after 2 full 90 mins matches will there be additional 30 time after the 2nd match if ended in a draw then penalties.. penalties are more of a toss up.. I think the away goals rule is fair
I feel away goal is quite fair because u get 180 mins to beat a team which is enough and penalties will not tell u the truth of 180 mins
Away goal rule makes ucl unique.
Nothing unique about it. Even the old cup winners cup had it
If you cant score more goals than the other team why should you go through?
Why was away-goal rule introduced in the first place? Away teams played too defensively.
Home support inspired teams to attack, so there was no problem with teams playing defensively at home.
Things have changed. Now home support for many teams have no problem to see their team park the bus for 90 mins.
AGR certainly contributes to that.
I think the change back will initially have a positive effect, until teams re-adjust and start playing conservatively away again.
Then it's time to change again! :)
p.s. AGR makes cup games different from league games.
You know you love football (The beautiful game) when you enjoy the discussions of the rules of football, whichever they may be. ❤ .
Dude im fucking lost
It should be simple as it use to be. Goals are what win the games not good defending, good defending is and having have a good game is good but goals are what win the games. That's rule is foolish
A goal is a goal. It equals 1 its not more important if its at home or away. The team with the most total goals on aggregate should advance period. if they are tie on aggregate at the end of the 2nd leg it should be OT/PKs to determine the real winner.
Just remove it. It`s not 1970 anymore.
Bring them back give me the drama
I couldn't hear the arguing because of the music 😠
The away goal rule has to stay, if at the end of two legs it is a tie, the team with the most away goals should go through. If you just carry on with normal extra time it is unfair to the away team in the 2nd leg as the home team get 30 mins extra with home advantage. I can't think of any other fair way to settle a tie.
Removing the away goals rule makes it more possible teams to easily come back from a first leg loss. For example the game against MANCITY vs SPURS ( 4-4 ) which ended with spurs going through on away goals
I agree with stevie but him saying it will end defending is idiotic, if people attack people will defend .
I don’t see how this rule is all of the sudden an issue. It’s just a simple tie breaker.
Look at Thomas 😂😂😂
Stevie wants defending to be rewarded - but only if the team is playing at home 😂😂😂
They should remove away goals after 180 mins(home and away) i.e in extra time
Raphael Varane is a world class defender who won the Champions League with Madrid and the world Cup with France. He set defensive records in La Liga and played every single minute during the French triumph. Why was he not even considered for UEFA POTY? What about Ballon 'dor? He is a defender. Steve is just saying that people don't care about defensive starlets anymore. He wants them to shine like attackers do and why not?
Jose Mourinho focuses on defending, but Steve Nicol always have problem with that. Now he is saying team dont focus on defending. They says teams should play exciting and amazing football because thats beautiful but then Nicol has a problem with that too.
Is there a new away goal rule ??
you just know its American pundits when they start to shout at each other
Pointless argument, waste of airtime!
I like the rule, it was what made the rematada an incredible accomplishment, but it was also our undoing against Roma. There's no need to change something that already works
What he's saying is away goals should count a little more in a tie, that's all...
Say for example, PSV come to Barca and score a goal, that goal should edge out goals scored by Barca at home in their comfort zone, just as Barca's goal at PSV would count a little more in a tie.
I do not agree with him though. Nowadays playing away isn't as daunting as it used to be
Either way both teams will have a chance to score away goals and home goals... 🤷🏾♂️
It's tough , both arguments are quite strong. But if you ask me personally, I would say that nothing outside the football field should influence the result of the game, only goals. Because every goal is an effort.
On the contrary, games like Barcelona vs PSG where a 5-5 aggregate would have favored PSG to go through , had it not been for the away goal for PSG, Barcelona really needed to push beyond leveled score to advance. And people will remember games like these.
It seems to me that away goal accidentally serves both the purpose of logic and crowd.
Stevie was getting pissed! 😂
I hate that kind of defending..
I always though it shouldn't work in extra time
Cognitive dissonance at it's finest. In no other walk of life does this make sense, but because we've had it this way for a long time people lose their rocker about changing it.
All they need to do is change the away goals rule, give it 2 years and everyone would be fine with it.
only sport that provided this layer of strategy one of the reason is the most popular sport in the world
Why did this pop in my recommended now
If you are going to go in extra time and pk then just have one leg instead of 2