Reacting to DBZ Abridged Deadzone MOVIE Without Watching Dragon Ball Z
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Team Four Star initially skipped Dead Zone and World's Strongest because they had previously been abridged by three members prior to the group's founding. They later went back and redid them as 1 and 2 million subscriber specials, hence why the two movies are so out of order compared to everything else.
Also, both Garlic and Icarus are filler characters, which is why they both come out of nowhere and disappear without a trace.
which is why Goku eating Icarus in DBZA is objectively better way of addressing his disappearance.
Garlic Jr is definitely canon. They had an entire series on TV for it when Gohan was a little older.
@@boardrider1219yeah he had a mini arc, but that arc was filler. Garlic Jr. never appears in the manga. It just went straight to the Trunks and Freeza bit.
@@demetriusray972so, he was canon and forgotten or, just a irrelevant character?
@@nachosp7882neither, he was a character that was the main antagonist of a filler arc, so while he was importantish in the show, he was completely non-canon in regards to the source material.
Ignore the comments. The writers for DBZA explicitly state the movies are non-canon for their series. Its just a chance to cut loose with stuff that doesn't fit the main series. For crying out loud, they kill Icarus every single chance they get, so it's obviously not meant to be taken seriously.
Yeah who the heck thinks and worse says they're canon? In one of the first ones Vegeta even says "This is so non canon it hurts."
well the thing is they reference them in the series outside the movies and unlike DBZ pure they tried to fit them in
It's canon to DBZA in the sense that Dead Zone is just Krillins movie pitch to Hollywood producer Nappa. Which is a DBZA only thing.
I mean, insisting that they are 100% canon is kinda silly, since they joke about how they are non-canon too.... but at the same time there are many references in the main show to the movies and the featured characters and such... So they are still kinda canon? I'm not sure...
The movies have their own canon, though. If you watch them in order of being made there is an ongoing B plot of Korin and Yajarobi.
My favorite part of this is that Garlic Jr IMMEDIATELY knows he messed up when he realizes who Gohan is
Well, the 23rd World Tournament didn't happen all that long ago
@@TheKyrix82about 5 yrs prior, considering gohans age.
1:42 "But mom ive already read huck fin." "Yes but this one has the N-word taken out" I love this call back so much 😂
15:12 Remember when Trunks called Goku "Sun Wukong"? That's a character from Journey to The West who was the inspiration for Goku. The extending pole was also Wukong's weapon of choice. Unfortunately, Goku's pole has faded into obscurity.
Gokus pole is what connects Kamis Lookout to Korins Tower
@@gregorystiver7198 But everybody can fly, now, so that connection is now irrelevant.
@@Celestia282 True, but Goku also really doesn't need the Power Pole anymore since he's become so strong. So he just leaves it there, where it belongs.
aka the Monkey King
Always loved the part at 5:30 and how Garlic Jr freaked out at realizing Goku was Gohan's dad 😂. Its just refreshing to see a villain actually realize the gravity of having a reputed fighter like Goku after them.
It could've been a John Wick reference, but I don't think those movies were a thing back when. "You killed John Wick's dog!?" = "You stole Goku's kid!?"
Yes, Gohan peeing on Krillin actually DID happen in the original. This movie takes place between the original Dragon Ball series and Dragon Ball Z. (And that means it's not just pre-Freeza... it's pre-RADITZ!) Dragon Ball, as a whole, tended to have much more of that style of humor, and was not nearly as serious as Dragon Ball Z.
Chronologically, it's pre-Raditz. Plot-wise, it basically IS Raditz.
its also pre beam spam fest seriously look how cool the moves are in the minion fights
@@kR-qj7rwso good they were used for the US intro (Rock the Dragon), just like The World’s Strongest (Dr. Wheelo) and Tree of Might (Turles).
@@kR-qj7rw that is definitely what i miss most about dragon ball, the martial arts and not who's energy beam is bigger.
@@21warmasters I think the last time that was used was in maaaaybe the Saiyan saga and at the end of it it became beam struggle and the spirit bomb onwards it'll be brutal melee hits but it never really got back at peak dragon balm choreography
That part of Gohan peeing on Krillin IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE ORIGINAL MOVIE. That was no editing. You'll be surprised of how many TeamForuStar fans thought that part was edited. It isn't.
Also, the apple is as well part of the orignal movie, but instead of making Gohan high it makes him drunk.
9:57 I like that the Dragon in Abridged keeps trying to suggest wishes that are better than the ones people are making.
Unfortunately None of them listen to him
so some context, this is the first of the dbz movies released, however the reason they abridged it late is because some of the DBZA team abridged this movie and worlds strongest before DBZA was even a thing, hence why they were skipped when team four star was formed. they decided to do this movie later on as a 1-million subscriber special, and later on worlds strongest as a
2-million subscriber special.
Like others have said, this is considered canon to the timeline of the Abridged series, which you'll see later as the film "Skygina" is actually referenced a couple times in the future.
Although maybe more so the sequel? I forget...
Yes, Krillin actually does get peed on by Gohan in the original lol. I could swear it's not the only time they use that joke too, I think it's done again in GT? could be wrong
Context time: this is the first DBZ movie. The strange placement is because it was released as a subscriber milestone special. Some of the team made another parody of this movie before the TeamFourStar channel was created, so they decided to revisit the film and make a new parody
They don't do the Krillin owned counter in the movies, they kept that to just the series itself.
1:47 - The silent shock and subtle horror on your faces makes this scene funnier than it has any right to be.
The “ahh” from garlic junior when he gets hit by Gohan is so hilarious
Ok so to clear up the confusion near the end the whole thing was a movie that Krillin wrote and was explaining to Nappa over the phone. That's why it's not after where Garlic showed up long ago.
No, the DBZA movies aren't canon in the DBZAverse either. The creator commentary makes this abundantly clear. No idea what those commenters are talking about.
And funnier part is that the movies have their own story line too, like Yajirobe and Korin
@@agustinreyesjr295 Yep! Icarus being eaten is also a running gag only in the movies.
...Poor dragon.
I mean, I can kinda see where they got that idea from, since TFS did try to make it so that most of them could plausibly fit into the timeline.
I mean, sorta fit in the timeline. But really, none of them could fit in. Like this one takes place mostly before the Raditz, but then why is everyone surprised when Goku shows up with Gohan at the start of the series?
@@robertmauck4975 In hindsight, you're mostly right. That said, this movie is just a movie script Krillin pitched to Nappa. That's incredibly easy to fit into the timeline.
The movies were done as subscriber specials, hence why they pop up out of nowhere. As for order, it's when they released in DBZA, not the original, and you likely got told to watch them in order (despite being different moments in the actual show) because there are references to them in the main series.
I love how they made Krillin gargle in that scene.
You guys should go watch their creator commentaries. They're brilliant when they're together in the same room, all the boys in TFS. About Gohan pissing on Krillin, yep, that actually did happen in the movie. They talk about the kind of editing that would take to pull off, too.
7:03 You can eat apple cores stem and all. I did it during my freshman orientation in college and everyone was so shocked
I always just assumed Icarus was phased out like Launch. Last we saw of her...was she in the Buu Saga giving energy or was the last time we saw Launch that bar during the saiyan saga?
I think Icarus makes an appearance in Super.
Icarus is a filler character, while Toriyama just forgot that Launch existed.
Icarus is pure filler. Not canon
Launch does give energy in the Buu saga, but only in the anime.
In dragon ball's official series, the movies save for dbs broly and dbs super hero, are not canon
The other movies are meant to be alternative stories that never happen and where some history is different.
For example: the first cooler movie is BASICALLY based on if goku DID kill frieza with the spirit bomb.
He leaves for earth and doesn't become a super saiyan ever until cooler makes him
“Why don’t you just buy a house with Ox King’s money” is probably one of my favorite Goku abridged lines
It has multiple levels of Goku not understanding how reality works. It's hilarious.
There’s also another DBZ movie that canonically takes place pretty early in the timeline that you won’t be seen until after episode 51.
“ the worlds, strongest”
The funny thing is the last of the DBZ movies, Broly.
Is the only one of the abridged movies that actually alludes to its placement in the timeline.
14:59 this is still one of the best choreographed moments in the DBZ movies. It’s like right on the cusp of Goku the martial arts master before he became Goku the planet buster.
Nah you missed the "joke's on you i can fly" joke 😂
The guy said Gohan was high in the throne room as in high on drugs and goku thought he was just high up
History of Trunks is the only movie they really took seriously, the rest aren't canon but they tried to have a continuity the actual movies don't have. There are some things from the movies that are canon though...Also this movie is actually supposed to be before EP 31 partially because of Nappa being alive and to make a few jokes about Maron and Krillin's crippling debt
Yeah entire thing is Nappa movie script
I'ma give a nutshell explanation:
In the genuine series:
The movies are non canon.
I believe they have been considered "alternate reality" stories, and while they occur within close timeframe of the current events of the anime, characters being dead or alive never quite lines up in a way that they *could* be canon.
For DBZA, They're *semi* canon to the series, as Freeza directly mentions his brother Cooler, and the movies will continue references and running gags in the series and vice versa (Android 16's Toriyama bird moment was a reference to the bird Goku saves in the first Cooler Movie), but the movies ARE canon to *each other*.
Every movie is a kind of copycat retelling of an arc (Lord Slug to original King Piccolo, Tree of Might to the Saiyan saga, etc).
Deadzone is the first DBZ movie, it's just this far in thier playlist cause that's when they decided to redo it.
The later Garlic Junior saga in DBZ is a sequel to this movie...but also non canon.
(Garlic Jr. And Gohan's dragon Icarus only appear in non-canon movies or non-canon filler episodes of the series.)
The movies are Canon to eachother. Not the main story, this one is an exception though at the movie will be mentioned later
"Was that real?!" "I don't think so..." No, it's real. Gohan does piss on Krillin in the original movie.
In the original timeline, this movie is actually after Dragonball, but before Dragonball Z, hence Gohan's appearance and why Piccolo is still an enemy.
The movies are canon....but they don't always actually happen. For example this movie is a visualization of a script Krillin is pitching to Nappa.
If I remember correctly the movie with the Learn. Learn. Learn. scene was a dream Gohan had.
And some of the other movies just things that happened and directly reference when they take place. Like
What about Cell?
Fuck 'im.
shows broly is during the week of preparing for the cell games.
World's strongest and Slug are arguably pre namek because no super sayin. Super 13 literally starts with the clip revealing the twins and gero having having his head crushed.
People messed you up with the DBZA cannon. If that were true, Ikarus dies like... How many movies are there? That many.
It's more Rick and Morty rules. Don't think about it. Or they're half cannon.
Regarding “there’s no repercussions to wishes,” depends on what you think is canon. In GT, every wish built up negative energy in the dragonballs which would usually dissipate over time between wishes. Bulma’s radar made it easy enough to find them that the energy built up until they corrupted.
The Krillin Counter is only for the Abridged episodes, not the movies. The creators would've included it in movies too, but unfortunately, they came up with the counter late in the game.
Yes Gohan did pee in krillin's mouth in the original movie. Pretty sure they censored that out in the English version
@@ExcelHedge I think h-man is just a little bit younger than me so the version he likely grew up watching had it cut out
The pee scene IS part of the original movie
They're not interrupting anything with this movie. The Garlic Jr. Episode they showed, is supposed to be a "continuation" to this movie, it even refrences it. This movie takes place before Raditz even arrives to earth (it would've if it was canon which it is not) seeing by Gohan's outfit, Goku and Piccolo's rivalry, and Goku not having Super Saiyan yet so this movie is not taking place during the android saga when it was uploaded.
So the Garlic Jr. Movie in this video happened before Raditz and the Garlic Jr. that happened before the Android Saga was after that. That time Garlic Jr. esacped from the dead zone he was sent to in this movie. So while this movie was made after that episode, it happened before that episode chronologically.
15:00 Had me in effing stitches! :D
"Oh, come on, guys! I can't pull swords out of MY body!"
"Stand still and you will!"
How have I missed this? I probably skipped this abridged movie or forgot. Likely the latter.
6:58 Gohan eating that apple whole is irrefutable proof he is Goku's kid!
I love how just confidently wrong they can be about what is canon. It both amuses me and slightly peeves my pet for my love of both the actual show and the abridged. ... Buuut it's still funny, plus they're entertaining.
For the actual show they got it right now though. None of the movies are canon. The DBS movies are canon but not the DBZ movies. Battle of Gods and Revival of F used to be canon but then DBS retconned them when it did them again and the DBS version is now the canon one. So the rule of thumb is, DBS movies are canon, DBZ movies are not.
@@EskChan19 I agree, DBS movies are canon. I was mostly referring to the comments about the movies and specials thus far and claiming Icarus is canon. Even TFS makes a joke about Gohan getting a dragon for Christmas but due to it not being canon he wasn't allowed to keep it. Though I would say as far as abridged movie canon at least cooler is a thing if not his movies due to weird time placements the TFS crew themselves have mentioned. Maybe garlic junior for the one episode and wheelo as a passing joke by Bulma when mentioning all scientists know where other scientists labs are. Long story short TFS seems to pick and choose what is canon based on what fits with the jokes/story but it's not an "it's all canon to dbza" situation. I will admit I might be forgetting something here or there that may invalidate my argument in which case that's my bad.
Edit: I forgot to add Bojack to the dbza canon movie villains.
Even in their commentary videos they had said that their abridged movies take place in their own universe that's why there is no Krillin owned counter
"Vegeta survived" "Should've never been a sentence."
3:14 Ok, time to correct both you guys AND the comments, but mostly the comments this time (woo-hoo!).
Team Four Star has gone on the record *multiple times* that they canonically have two separate DBZ:A Canons, one that is only the main series and the other that is only the movies. All the stuff that happen in all of the movies happen in the same universe, but that universe is separate from all of the regular DBZ:A episodes.
As a comparison, in regular Dragon Ball, there is the original manga canon, the anime canon that includes filler episodes, and each of the separate movies that have their own movie canons. Meanwhile DBZ:A has their "main canon" and then their "movie canon." I hope that makes sense b/c no matter what it always sounds crazy, lol.
@10:38 In the actual show the dragons are actually pretty cool with not fucking you over with the wish. I can even think of at least one time for each dragon where they did a little extra because they're nice.
The closest I can think of the dragon not accomplishing a wish the intended way was after they wished back everyone killed by frieze and their forces and that one village Vegeta killed stayed dead because he didn't count anymore
The Garlic Jr. Movie was actually done first before they became Team 4-Star. I remember watching the prototype version. It wasn't as good but still not bad!
The best way to look at it is, the movies are their own timeline, and the show is the main timeline.
The correct order of the movies :
01 dead zone
02 world's strongest
03 christmas tree of might
04 lord slug
05 reveng of cooler
06 revenge of cooler part 2 the reckoning the why boner with a vengeance.
07 android 13
08 broly
You kinda mixed up idk how
Because they're going by release order not chronological order
Ya veo
23:00 it was placed here because you guys just got introduced to the concept of Producer Nappa.
When they started DBZA they probably didn't even have a notion of doing the movies until after they were well underway. World's Strongest and Deadzone would have been the first two films in the series if we're going by time but they were well out of the first season already before they had a notion to do the films. It was actually the prospect of working on Bojak that had them decide to put a pin in the series. They were uninspired and had little to no material to work with in the film to make it funny up to their standards and it led to a feeling of burnout.
In the official DBZ universe, none of the films are canon and it gives some room for them to fool around with concepts and characters that don't have much of a place in the show. Like young Trunks giving Hitler the finger.
Within DBZA though it's all absurd anyway so it really doesn't matter, especially when things can be done to make events irrelevant such as Goku telling Gohan the story of Bardock, which was all just a dream anyway.
The movies exist in their own bubble. So there is the normal canon, and a movie-canon
Technically the first bardock movie and history of trunks are canon but they are also originally tv specials and not movies like the rest
"Let's hope that's a leak." Yes, but not the kind you meant.
None of the movies are canon with regards to the main series. Thus why there is no owned count for Krillan.
@@self-proclaimedanimator Yeah but a completely different Broly who (thank god) has pretty much none of the traits of the really really stupid DBZ Broly.
13:19 it is real....
Some of the oddity with release schedule of the specials/movies was that they would give a early viewing at a anime convention in Michigan around Halloween.
Icarus dies in every movie he is in team four star loves to kill him
“Don’t question my fuckin methods, Fk it I’m takin your dad” 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Important to remember that Abridged content uses primarily original footage. It looks old because it's adapting older DBZ content, but TFS's overall production quality (sound, writing, editing) lines up pretty neatly with the androids saga.
This movie happens before everything you have seen. 1 way to tell the place of each movie relative to timeline is based on Gohan's outfits
The movies are in their own timeline where the events of the shows happen but they just happen differently. Also some movie can fit into canon no problem like Bojack and wraith of the dragon but they’re still not canon. They can be head canon because how much they don’t effect the story though 😂
The Movies are not canon in DBZA because the timelines just don't make sense. They still have references and call backs between them and sometimes in the series (like the bird named Toriyama from Cooler). The creators say they are their own mini canon... except Icarus dies in all of them, like Kenny from south park,.
The only reason I see this movie being placed in android saga in the playlist is because of the wrist joke
yes the playlist your using has too be out of order, this movie was definitely supposed to be watched way before this and before the garlic jr episode, because in that episode we see pop kill him off, and also garlic junior references the end of this movie in that episode, so yeah idk what happened but this movie defiantly wasn't supposed to be this far into the series lol
Producer Nappa in Hollywood makes this fits perfectly as Killin's flashback story.
That it happens to be told after Popo took care of Garlic Jr. is a nice way to remind people who that was.
Maybe this should be one episode before? but we know it happened way back so if ya cut the ending phone call it does work then too before Raditz
Oh DBZA movies are their own canon, separate from DBZA main canon.
This movie would fit in pre-Raditz if it wasn't for Krillin knowing about Gohan.
Yep. All DBZ movies except for Battle of Gods and Revival of F have some kind of reason why they can't work, like Cooler beeing post-Namek but Goku can't freely use SSJ yet, Slug being Pre-Namek, but both Goku and Piccolo are alive which doesn't happen since Goku died to Piccolos Special Beam Cannon against Radditz and then only got revived to fight Vegeta where Piccolo was already dead, or in Broly which would have to take place during the time they wait for the Cell games but Goku and Gohan don't have their mastered super saiyan form.
Every movie has a detail to it that makes it impossible to fit into the canon timeline. Except as I said Battle of Gods and Revival of F. Which were considered canon until DBS retconned and redid them.
Yeah in DBZA the movie are explicitly non-canon. Watch TFS’s reaction to any of their movies and eventually one of them, that is, the creators, will bring it up. They even have a running gag where Icarus, the dragon, dies in every movie he’s in.
Yeah Krillin getting pissed on by Gohan was not edited in and was actually in the real movie XD
Okay to explain it in detail, in Dragon Ball Z, the movies aren't Canon, up until Dragon Ball Super. At that point the showrunners or or the owners of the license or whatever. Decided to use the Super Dragon Balls to technically make all the movies Canon by putting them in alternative universes. By wishing them "back" with Android 17's wish, because the omni King had "erased" them beforehand making them quote "Non-Canon". So now technically the movies are Canon they're just taking place or took place in Alternatives universes. Yeah it makes no sense it's stupid, but they did it so they could make more something I don't fucking know.
Some of the later movies, are peak DBZA.
These movies aren't Canon but they tried to place these in the time-line better. All movies are canon together but not for the series itself
Although there are references to some of them in the main show... But yeah, they probably don't fully fit in the canon.
They don't fit at all. DBZ movies aren't canon, neither is Garlic Jr arc. The only one canon is the one about Trunks but that's classified as special episode (Like Bardock) and not as movie
@@diocavallo8736 i meant the tfs versions
The dragon is movies and anime filler only ✌ So he's only canon to the anime
The movies themselves are neither canon to the show nor the normal DBZA episodes, they're "what if" scenarios (or made up by charas in-universe sometimes in DBZA)
oh they explain why we dont see Icarus anymore in one of the movies...... XD and this movie originally takes place before the Saiyan Saga in DBZ
It kind of does have some monkey paw to it. Your wish has to be specific. Take garlic, Jr. for example. He wishes to be immortal so great his power level is still trash. A better wish would be "I wish to be the strongest there is." That way, he can beat everyone and get the dragon balls again, then wish to be immortal. There's also other consequences like the big joke with bulma and wishing to be 5 years younger periodically to match her husband's and gokus aging rate. Well he consequence is she's not just wishing to look and feel young she's forever young. They kind of make sly mentions to this by having future trunks, world bulma be so much smarter and wiser. You see this by trunks, bumla, making better inventions, including the time machine. It may be hard for some to understand, but asking consistently to be that age also means that her mind stays trapped at that age she's requesting.
Yeah, the movie should have been placed before the Garlic Jr. episode ... so the episode makes a little bit more sense xD
There's still some reasons why it won't fit in the timeline (not really privy on them tbh) but yeah this is supposed to take place before Raditz even shows up
None of Goku's friends knew about Gohan until just a few minutes before Raditz showed up, so there's nowhere it could go.
Deadzone is before Raditz showed up.
This is supposed to be before Raditiz arrives.
17:10 always gets me. Lol😂
Yeah the Gohan pissing scene is real
HFIL stands for home for infinite losers
The movies are there own cannon and each take place at different point in time like this takes place around raditz and cooler takes place after the frieza fight even tho they contradic certain aspects of the actual story
Bottom right guy got my favorite joke
Oh god your fathers goku
Ignore the comments about the correct order. Watching by upload date is fine. Like how TFS fans had to go through when waiting for an upload by them.
The DBZA movies are canon to each other. The creators themselves have said they're not canon to the show. They're dragon ball z fans so you know they didn't pay attention to what was shown 😂
Edit: Let me rephrase, most of the movies aren't canon to the show. Christmas Tree of might, lord Slug, Cooler and a couple others don't fit. This one and another one are capable of fitting.
This one still doesn't fit though, but for one reason only. This is supposed to happen before Raditz. Goku introduced Gohan to his friends at Kame House in ep1 and everyone was shocked. But Krillin already knew Gohan from this and would surely have told Bulma and Roshi, so why would they be shocked in Ep1?
@henkpotjes8231 it fits as an in universe movie pitch. As far as it being referenced later krillian could have been told about these events and inserted himself in the story for the sake of the movie pitch. But yeah I agree the events still don't fit into the show.
@@henkpotjes8231 The funny thing is that out of all the DBZ movies this is the only one where they actually made the effort to fit it in canon. That plot detail with Krillin meeting Gohan was simply something they overlooked. They managed to make sure Piccolo didn’t formally meet Gohan and actually set up the plot development of kidnapping him for training… but they forgot about Krillin lol
And yet there are references to some of them in the main show... Like the Toriyama bird was in the first cooler movie, wasn't it? Turles gets mentioned in the main show... I think Cooler too... Of course, those could be canon characters, while the events aren't... They certainly tried to mix the two together to some degree though.
@KitsyX true but while mentioned they aren't necessarily the exact same one. Different time lines and the like thanks to Trunks. I always assumed that's what the movies where where the main story plays differently in order for the movies to happen.
The movies aren't canon but TFS made an effort to fit them within the timelines anyway, in regards to references. Once you've seen the DBZA version of the movies you'll notice a theme going on with Korin and Yajirobe、for example.
Anyway ignore the comments, enjoy the show. 🎉
The animation for this movie goes so hard
You guys seem to misunderstand how immortality works when wished for. It gives them unlimited stamina and regeneration so anyone fighting them would eventually tire out and any wounds they manage to receive recover.
they also dont age
All the movies that TFS do have the theme of Piccolo looking for a house.
Awesome video.
So garlic jr is no canon at all, however this movie takes place before raditz, they just waited forever because you don't know who garlic jr is before the filler arc
Yes, it was real. And the apple was like getting drunk
This movie takes place earliest in the series. Goku still uses Nimbus and doesn’t even know the Kaioh Ken at this point.
Gohan getting high off of the apple and peeing on Krillin actually did happen in the real movie
The movies are in their own timeline.
Here's a question for the Dragonball Community:
IS Garlic Jr. Canon?
He DOES have a Saga between The Freeza Saga and The Android Saga. But it was only for filler, so...?
No he's not. He was probably designed by Toryiama (like most of the movies characters) but that's all.
@@sheogorath6834 Great! Thanks for the info, yo.
Don't listen to commenters... except me... the movies aren't canon either way, whether or not they reference what happens or happened in the main series. It's not that complicated. Most of the movies are so bad they just fuck around with them.