Mayor Note: At the start of the video I did reference some of the recent CS2 'hoo ha' and I want to make a disclaimer that I fully support all of these creators, in fact a lot of them are my absolute favourites! I think all the concerns they are raising are genuine and valid, and all contribute to wanting to create a better game experience for us all. Go and check them out if you haven't already! Biffa! - www.youtube.com/@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines City Planner Mismanages - www.youtube.com/@cityplannermismanages Move the Mouse - www.youtube.com/@MoveTheMouse Brined Pickle - www.youtube.com/@brinedpickle Cities by Diana - www.youtube.com/@CitiesByDiana
SimCity 2013's big issue apart from the launch was the tiny map, had the map been larger I think it'd have done a lot better. I also think the visuals of SimCity 2013 are stunning, even today over a decade later.
There are actually some of the original Concepts of the Game floating around in the Depths of the Internet that show old Concepts for Sim City that have the whole Regions as playable Maps. The Issue just was that this was way too complex at the Time, the average PC couldn't handle such a Game and they had to cut back massively to make it work. There were also multiple DLCs planned, but after the Game's disasterous Launch, EA simply abandoned the Project.
I fully agree with this. CS2 looks incredible and SC2013 has features that one makes your industry that you create worth doing and also the various other buildings. It is a great way to visually feel like you did something seeing your city hall expand and your residence. While, both a city hall and residence was in CS1 it wasn't the hall from 2013 as far as function.
And one of the best thing about simcity 2013 is the various specialization which players can choose wether to make the city as a gambling hub, or tourism hub and the game will guide us through to get there. So much fun memories, i'm basically growing up with simcity😅
saw this video and i was like ohhh. Sim city 2013 did alot of stuff right between the limitations and bugs. and it has this quirkiness and humor CS has never had.
SimCity2013 got me through my deployment when I was in the military. I loved this game so much. If I could purchase more squares and expand I'd still be playing this game today. It just sucked how little space I could use with the small square I was given and, if I did build a region to expand, the lag time between cities was just terrible. I'd definitely be here for a SimCity2013-2 for sure. Nice video 🫡
I still cant understand (now that we all have better pc systems than 2013) why nobody from the maxis made an update with new regions and bigger map or at least why they dont give the source code to the modders soy they can do it for us....
I might sound strange, but I loved SC2013. I just hated the small size to work with. I did actually at one point had each city doing something helping each other out which was fun. I might go play SC2013 now. One of the big points about it was far less wasted space. CS and CS2 both have an issue with it not setting up lots right that make any sense. The road goes in a square and yet the area isn't a perfect set of squares. I do prefer the economy in CS1 and 2, but I still find means to make money in SC2013. I really wish EA would have decided to try to compete. They just rolled over and died when facing Paradox. Now Paradox is going for the Sims. EA really is a shadow of what it used to be. It made such great games and now I find most of their games feels just okay in quality. DA:Origins great, but now I don't have a ton of hope with them. Each game of the time EA was at least trying to do stuff to make things better, but around the Sims 4 EA just stopped trying. It was like everything was a step back from what it used to be.
And also, did anyone notice that CS2 is taking some elements from simcity into the game? Like land value, mining industries. I'm cool with it and i'll be happy if i can see the reincarnation of simcity 2013 in as CS2 in the future😅
I definitely enjoy playing SimCity 2013 more than Cities Skylines, it just feels more polished and it has engaging gameplay features like using recycling to manufacture goods and make money. With a few mods this is a truly fantastic game, I only ever play offline but I guess the multiplayer side has its fun too. Also need to emphasize the incredible art direction this game has, its graphics, audio and UI are miles ahead of Cities Skylines.
Such amazing points yeah, the music in particular. I think it will be hard for anyone to recreate the same style of humour and quirkiness that you get from sim city of any version. 💜💜
As much as SimCity has been mocked, IMO it only ever had two actual issues: mandatory internet connection at launch and small maps. The first one specially was an issue with the absolutely disastrous server state at launch (and eventually it was actually fixed) and the second was seemingly en route to be fixed (for free surprisingly). People don't really remember, but other than these things (and EA's lack of desire of keeping the franchise), OG CS1 actually had surprisingly less than SimCity 2013! I do miss the region aspect of the games, not because of multiplayer but because of single player as well! The fact that the game kinda tells me "hey this city is good for one thing only, if you want to do something else, you'll have to build another city" was not as much of a restriction as it was an invitation to exploration and to not worry about other features at that moment. . . . All being said, I'll say something I've said in other videos: Maxis has the opportunity to do the funniest thing with the recent CS2 fiasco.
Yeah all very good points! I also like your comment about the region building not just being for other people. I also love to create distinct specialisations in the different cities! Thanks for stopping by! 🙂💜
What i loved abt this game the most was customizing your buildings. It makes you wanna play this game and try tons of customizing options. U could literally make a Hospital asset way different from another hospital. Such a cool concept. Maybe, i was the only one who expected simcity 6 back during 2014
Simcity 2013 has great gameplay. The game was simply ruined by how many people couldn't play it the first week of release since it was online only and the sevrers were full, and the second part was the small city sizes. I'm glad they fixed the always online stuff before abandoning the game, but this game actually had a lot of content from the get go.
Yeah it goes without saying that the simcity soundtracks are superior to most soundtracks of any game! 😂 which one do you think is better? SC2013 or SimCity4? That’s a tough one 🤔
@@ShelleySkylines You’ve just asked a TOUGH QUESTION!! I started playing SimCity 4 recently and the music is amazing too! I get groooovin with them. In my own personal opinion I prefer SimCity 2013’s as I enjoy listening to Orchestral based soundtrack. Just like any other EA game, no matter how problematic *ahem The Sims 4* they are, the music never misses!
@@ShelleySkylines and another thing, I just love the sound effects of SC2013, it scratches my brain 😌. I also love how the music gets echoey, and lo-fi when you pause the game. It’s all the little details that makes the gameplay memorable.
Always. Cities skylines might as well be a ploppable and traffic manager. So glad i didnt buy any of Paradox's DLC's because i smelled the bs 9 years ago. SimCity is an actual city builder and MANAGER.
Look how alive and vibrant the city looks compared to CS2. Is it not possible for a modder to unlock the map so we can build bigger cities in Sim City 2013?
Unfortunately not. For performance reasons, the land you see outside of the city border is largely just a facade. Modders have unlocked the ability to place roads outside of the maps, and even buildings, but it's a very wonky process and it wont behave like inside of the city borders (things like trees will stay where they are, regardless of placing roads or buildings)
I played this quite a bit a year or two ago. I also liked the Global Market. How you can affect the price of goods globally sending it higher or lower for everyone depending on how much you create and send out. If you created and stockpiled a huge amount of (whatever) and then released it on the market, the price would drop after awhile. (due to an abundance of it.) You'd could crash the price. So part of the game was also, how fast could you release all of your goods before that happened. Super fast to get paid. And also so fast you'd crash it. So you'd have to have good shipping (not by truck, that was waaay too slow). You could have huge reserves of a several different things and start making money simply by trading. Then the global market went offline and... booooooo. No more fun. There was also some kind of crime building. I forget what it was called. But all the gangsters (?) lived there. They would visit other cities. lol. If you clicked on the building, it would trigger them in your city and to visit other cities. (so fun for other mayors. /s Hope their police force was ready!)
haha yes! The Dr Vu vs. Maxisman aspect! I kinda liked this but I found it so useless when it was so hard to build up Maxisman to do anything, I never really quite worked this out.
I liked Sim City 2013, now granted I got into it well after the game was matured around 2017 or so and I originally got into PC gaming years ago by getting a PC to play Sim City 2000 so I'm bias. I still go back to it occasionally to mess with it.
speakes volumes on Colossal Order's ability as developer as a game released a decade ago has better graphic, art assets and soundtrack than the game they released 4 months ago.
Simcity should definitely make a new game. The only good thing Cities Skylines did was its mod support. When you remove the mods, cities skylines turns into a huge void. They could not make good use of the gap left by Simcity in their second game. I hope simcity continues and brings competition. Simcity was a game series with its own style and ambiance. It was definitely better than Cities Skylines. Only the areas where we would build a city were small.
simcity 2013 is genuinely my comfort game sometimes. gameplay is kind of shallow and cities are tiny but since most launch gripes were patched years ago its a lot easier to focus on the great soundtrack, art design and atmosphere. and it had a lot of great features, i always enjoyed regions and great works and the modular building system, the city-wide specialisations as well were great even if hindered by the tiny sizes. the UI is so much nicer then CS1 and CS2 even and its far nicer on the eyes and the graphics have aged so well, being far nicer looking then CS2, which seems to have no clue what they are doing in terms of art direction, despite having way less actual detail
Agreed. I got both SC2013 and CS2. Haven’t played CS2 just yet but am seeing from gameplay videos that it looks awful. Lighting sucks and the grass is just a flat dull green texture. The whole game looks dull
My understanding on the size of 2013 was due to computers of the time. Since I played SimCity back in 1992 I can relate to their concern. There were performance issues both with the servers and on the desktop at release. Before then, much like CS1, the game could be played on almost anything. 2013 added a lot, and honestly, if EA would put forth a minor amount of effort they could re-release this with larger maps today, as is, and it would be a hit.
Anything is better than cs2 at this point. I cant have a city of more than 60k people without the sim speed plummeting. And I have a ryzen 7 5800x, it is not the last of the line. When i was 14 i discovered simcity 2013, and it got me started on city managers. It was so cool seeing many people running around without slowdowns. Even if the game only simulates like 600 Sims at max (i think, but i remember they were a looow number) it has a very cool appeal. I love the graphics, and the maps don't bother me, because there is interaction between cities. it gives you a headache to manage the little space you have, and in the end with the cities of tomorrow dlc and the mega towers, you gotta have those big skyscrapers towering over the city. It was a blast, and I am still playing it 10 years later.
I like both games a lot. SC2013 has really nice progression, multiplayer could be better but I liked that you can see other peoples creations, having to balance worker wealth levels to fill jobs is cool, if you let crime run wild the city visibly deteriorates with graffiti on buildings. I would say the simulation aspects are much better than either CS games. I think a lot of the CS2 drama will be quelled when they finally release the official mod support. Until then I think people will continue to cry about it and play CS1. Personally I think the CS franchise plays like a city painter with fun traffic management and both games fail pretty hard at the simulations/game progression aspects.
Biggest piece that everyone downplayed is player's driven market economy. (As far as I remember). You build city and sell plasma TV that affect global (server based) market for every player. Maybe I just made it up but I remember that you could dump a bunch of TV's that you hoarded in your warehouses and shortcutted everyone by doing it. Don't you want players have some interaction between each other in their cities? Also funniest thing to watch was when my buddies crimials were stuck in traffic into my city... Game had ideas and features ahead of its time but they had to resrtict themselves in that vision due to limited at that time computing power. Also network desync between regions was substantional. If they to make this game today with city sizes at least 3x3 from that it would sell like pancakes.
Yeah I totally agree on all points 😂 I wonder why nobody has thought to pick it up again (like at EA) given all the improvements they could make and even now the franchise is still so popular. I’m actually surprised at the response to this video and even SC2013 has so many fans and great memories. Thanks for sharing yours! 💜💜
That this video even had to be made, AND makes sense is so sad. CS2 could have been everything everyone ever wanted yet they messed it up so badly taking out everything that makes Cities Skylines 1 great.
I will agree with you. I have played more SC2013 over the years, than CS1. SC2013, for all it's faults has a soul, the city needs rebuilding as it grows and if you think of it as a big puzzle, can spend 20 hours in just one city. Also each city commercial & industrial buildings were related to it's specialization which made it more alive. In a casino city, the commercial districts near the casinos are hotels that generate a lot of money. In a coal mining town the industrial buildings are coal dealers, in an oil city different industries spawn processing oil etc. Can have a city generating power to feed it's neighbours, similarly to provide garbage collection, recycling and even policing & medical care. So that frees actual space from the cities as you don't have to build the same buildings in all of them. Also lets not forget the 3 thematic DLCs transforming various cities to French, English or German depending if you plop the starter building that convert it the architecture.
Yeah the DLCs were good! Imagine getting some CS2 DLCs sometime this century 😩 I also love the things you mention like hotels near casinos etc. so much fun to be had! 💜
@Paradox and CO: When people start to ask AND answer these questions, about, of all things an EA game . A game, even EA gave free games as an apology due that abysmal 2013 launch. you must know you F' ed up.
I loved SimCity 2013 despite it's flaws, mainly the small map size. But I felt like the buildings there had more of a "personality", and I guess I preferred the art style even if it's less realistic than Cities Skylines 2. I'm taking a break from SC2 until they fix mods, custom assets, etc. It has lots of potential, but I think it was released a year too early given how far behind they are on many promised features. There is a limit to how many times you can just put up a blog post that says "we're working really hard, but don't have anything specific to share".
I miss this game. I wish it was bigger. that's literally my only complaint. I know it has many many issues, but to me, if the map size wasn't an issue, I'd have been playing this game for the past 10 years.
I spent far more time on SimCity5 than on Cities Skylines. And even today, while owning both Cities Skylines 1 and 2, I play it time to time. Its the combination of graphics, music, progression, management and details (like firefighters fighting fires). In retrospect, liked the challange of small plots much more than building large cities.
Quick answer, yes. If EA re-released this game with all the additions that CS1 has, I promise you it would do better than CS2. Like being able to purchase tiles, proper public transport; all of it. Also think about the content, the base game of Simcity is huge in comparison to CS2 and SC is over 10 years older than CS2
I think it would be funny if EA went had someone turn Simcity 2013 into Simcity 5 and they gave it away for those who already had Simcity 2013. If they made Simcity 5 and apologized about Simcity 2013 they might be able to win some fans back.
Ah yes, a city building game that turns into a FPS when the player fills up the map of a city that they're building. That would make for an interesting and very unique twist on a city building game, lol!
I’ve been saying that SimCity’s simulation feels far better than Cities Skylines, especially when you consider the industries and how the city changes over time. Yes the mandatory DRM at the start sucked but they fixed that. The city tile being small was the only big issue, but I get what they were going for. They wanted to make it so we are working on multiple separate cities that work together. I wish EA didn’t shut Maxis down. I really want another sequel. :(
I had a ton of fun with simcity 2013. The size constraints, launch issues, overall bugs and not to mention the always online crap ruined a lot for the game. Having said that, it has some awesome mechanics that i really miss in other city builder games. The BEST thing about sc2013 is its visuals, artstyle and amazing soundtrack. It's one of the most beautiful failed games i know.
the only SimCity i played was back in the year 2000 lol, I think it was the second game in the series? anyway, this video was refreshing with the different buildings and animations - and the actually challenging finance management makes me want to try this one.
I think the thing that I notice sometimes with "Gamers" is once something is seen as a bad game, everything is assumed bad. SC2013 imo had a good art style, modular buildings, soundtrack, there were even houses of worship like churches, mosques, and synagogues. (Which CO seems bent on avoiding in spite of the massive role they play in making Cities feel realistic). SC2013's problems were required online connectivity at launch and Small Map sizes. If not for those the game likely could've turned out better. Also on the bad game with good features mark I could also say I think CS2 is a bad game (at present) but it's road tools, Mixed-use, and additional zones like Medium Density and Row housing are great.
As much as I like Cities Skylines, I have to admit I always preferred Sim City... Something about it is just a little more charming... I hope they make a new entry eventually... I mean we haven't gotten a new Sims game in over a decade either...
@@roccociccone597 hmmm you never know! especially with how the release of CS2 went, i think there's still heaps of room for more SIM CITY! clearly it's what the people want!
Yeah he totally stole my video 😂 but no I think a lot of people are just going back to the archives and remembering there is more than just cities skylines! 💜💜✨
I hope there will be a new Simcity or a Simcity sequel. That's why I didn't like Cities Skylines 1 and 2 very much. For example, when Cities Skylines reaches 100 thousand population, it lags and becomes unplayable.
SC2013 could have been excellent if not for the limitations they imposed, such as tiny city squares, distant cities, and others. Unfortunately, these changes significantly diminished the game compared to its predecessors
I think SC2013 is better than CS1 and CS2. I miss that franchise and wish we could get a new game with bigger squares. But even with the smaller squares, it's a very fun game.
hey there! yeah i am still playing SC 2013 time to time, i don't think there are any mods for it though, just some DLC packs. you can play it through Origin ☺
Skylines 2 had a better launch if you can believe that. You couldn't even launch sim city due to their servers. Once EA took over Maxis, Sim City went downhill fast.
lol yeah it did! And hopefully unlike SC the people will come back once they fix some of their main issues. I’m sure they will! It’s a real shame what EA did to SC though, I agree!
LOL people would lose their minds, considering the entire CS youtube community mainly plays the game to detail shit. Nobody plays the game to actually run a city, they just want to make pretty stuff.
Lol #controversial! Not gonna lie I probably play it more to make pretty things haha but I do like to have a well running city simulataneously, but it's probably my second priority 😂💜
SC2013 startup troubles and abscence of wide mod development it's not bad but cistomize both ore t far beyond mdern, little (ancient)landmark, wil never beat SC4 vissually ? Sysspec again the issue release on old hardware
LMAO, SC2013 is more a tablet game than a city designer. Nothing great about it. CS tries to simulate each agent, the traffic in SC is fake, for example.
Haha 👀 I did try to actually go through what I think is better though! And actually found a lot of good things about SimCity! I know it’s a controversial game though 💜
Mayor Note: At the start of the video I did reference some of the recent CS2 'hoo ha' and I want to make a disclaimer that I fully support all of these creators, in fact a lot of them are my absolute favourites! I think all the concerns they are raising are genuine and valid, and all contribute to wanting to create a better game experience for us all. Go and check them out if you haven't already!
Biffa! - www.youtube.com/@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines
City Planner Mismanages - www.youtube.com/@cityplannermismanages
Move the Mouse - www.youtube.com/@MoveTheMouse
Brined Pickle - www.youtube.com/@brinedpickle
Cities by Diana - www.youtube.com/@CitiesByDiana
SimCity 2013's big issue apart from the launch was the tiny map, had the map been larger I think it'd have done a lot better. I also think the visuals of SimCity 2013 are stunning, even today over a decade later.
Yeah I couldn’t agree more!
There are actually some of the original Concepts of the Game floating around in the Depths of the Internet that show old Concepts for Sim City that have the whole Regions as playable Maps. The Issue just was that this was way too complex at the Time, the average PC couldn't handle such a Game and they had to cut back massively to make it work. There were also multiple DLCs planned, but after the Game's disasterous Launch, EA simply abandoned the Project.
Sim City was a game that had a soul i don't think CS could never replicate. EA is the biggest reaper of gems of gaming like that.
Yeah it’s impossible to recreate that same magic 💜
So true.
the music and graphics was lovely. cs focusses more on macro level to build realistic cities spanning 100+ sq km
If they could merge CS2 visuals and size with these features from simcity that would be an AMAZING game.
I know right! Ahhh just some simple things that would bring a little magic ✨
@@ShelleySkylines iknow
I fully agree with this. CS2 looks incredible and SC2013 has features that one makes your industry that you create worth doing and also the various other buildings. It is a great way to visually feel like you did something seeing your city hall expand and your residence. While, both a city hall and residence was in CS1 it wasn't the hall from 2013 as far as function.
And one of the best thing about simcity 2013 is the various specialization which players can choose wether to make the city as a gambling hub, or tourism hub and the game will guide us through to get there. So much fun memories, i'm basically growing up with simcity😅
Yeah! So many fun possibilities!
saw this video and i was like ohhh. Sim city 2013 did alot of stuff right between the limitations and bugs. and it has this quirkiness and humor CS has never had.
Yeah I think it’s similar to CS2 in that way, there are good aspects about both games!
SimCity2013 got me through my deployment when I was in the military. I loved this game so much. If I could purchase more squares and expand I'd still be playing this game today.
It just sucked how little space I could use with the small square I was given and, if I did build a region to expand, the lag time between cities was just terrible. I'd definitely be here for a SimCity2013-2 for sure. Nice video 🫡
Yeah I couldn’t agree more, it’s just the damn small squares! Wow imagine SimCity 2024 😂
I still cant understand (now that we all have better pc systems than 2013) why nobody from the maxis made an update with new regions and bigger map or at least why they dont give the source code to the modders soy they can do it for us....
@@Odytzi Maxis doesn't exist anymore unfortunately.
I might sound strange, but I loved SC2013. I just hated the small size to work with. I did actually at one point had each city doing something helping each other out which was fun. I might go play SC2013 now. One of the big points about it was far less wasted space. CS and CS2 both have an issue with it not setting up lots right that make any sense. The road goes in a square and yet the area isn't a perfect set of squares. I do prefer the economy in CS1 and 2, but I still find means to make money in SC2013. I really wish EA would have decided to try to compete. They just rolled over and died when facing Paradox. Now Paradox is going for the Sims. EA really is a shadow of what it used to be. It made such great games and now I find most of their games feels just okay in quality. DA:Origins great, but now I don't have a ton of hope with them. Each game of the time EA was at least trying to do stuff to make things better, but around the Sims 4 EA just stopped trying. It was like everything was a step back from what it used to be.
haha you are not strange, i definitely agree! lots of people accusing me of clickbait and the like but i just seriously love SC2013 😅
And also, did anyone notice that CS2 is taking some elements from simcity into the game? Like land value, mining industries. I'm cool with it and i'll be happy if i can see the reincarnation of simcity 2013 in as CS2 in the future😅
The most important part: extending components.
land value is kinda an important thing irl tho lol
I definitely enjoy playing SimCity 2013 more than Cities Skylines, it just feels more polished and it has engaging gameplay features like using recycling to manufacture goods and make money. With a few mods this is a truly fantastic game, I only ever play offline but I guess the multiplayer side has its fun too.
Also need to emphasize the incredible art direction this game has, its graphics, audio and UI are miles ahead of Cities Skylines.
Such amazing points yeah, the music in particular. I think it will be hard for anyone to recreate the same style of humour and quirkiness that you get from sim city of any version. 💜💜
As much as SimCity has been mocked, IMO it only ever had two actual issues: mandatory internet connection at launch and small maps. The first one specially was an issue with the absolutely disastrous server state at launch (and eventually it was actually fixed) and the second was seemingly en route to be fixed (for free surprisingly). People don't really remember, but other than these things (and EA's lack of desire of keeping the franchise), OG CS1 actually had surprisingly less than SimCity 2013!
I do miss the region aspect of the games, not because of multiplayer but because of single player as well! The fact that the game kinda tells me "hey this city is good for one thing only, if you want to do something else, you'll have to build another city" was not as much of a restriction as it was an invitation to exploration and to not worry about other features at that moment.
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All being said, I'll say something I've said in other videos: Maxis has the opportunity to do the funniest thing with the recent CS2 fiasco.
Yeah all very good points! I also like your comment about the region building not just being for other people. I also love to create distinct specialisations in the different cities! Thanks for stopping by! 🙂💜
What about the fact that sims didn’t own their own individual home and just went to the closest one available.
What i loved abt this game the most was customizing your buildings. It makes you wanna play this game and try tons of customizing options. U could literally make a Hospital asset way different from another hospital.
Such a cool concept. Maybe, i was the only one who expected simcity 6 back during 2014
Simcity 2013 has great gameplay. The game was simply ruined by how many people couldn't play it the first week of release since it was online only and the sevrers were full, and the second part was the small city sizes. I'm glad they fixed the always online stuff before abandoning the game, but this game actually had a lot of content from the get go.
Yeah such a shame how simple things like that can ruin a game reputation!
Another good thing about SimCity 2013, the OFFICIAL SOUNDTRACK! Sometimes I pause the game just to listen to it.
Yeah it goes without saying that the simcity soundtracks are superior to most soundtracks of any game! 😂 which one do you think is better? SC2013 or SimCity4? That’s a tough one 🤔
@@ShelleySkylines You’ve just asked a TOUGH QUESTION!!
I started playing SimCity 4 recently and the music is amazing too! I get groooovin with them. In my own personal opinion I prefer SimCity 2013’s as I enjoy listening to Orchestral based soundtrack.
Just like any other EA game, no matter how problematic *ahem The Sims 4* they are, the music never misses!
@@ShelleySkylines and another thing, I just love the sound effects of SC2013, it scratches my brain 😌. I also love how the music gets echoey, and lo-fi when you pause the game. It’s all the little details that makes the gameplay memorable.
Always. Cities skylines might as well be a ploppable and traffic manager. So glad i didnt buy any of Paradox's DLC's because i smelled the bs 9 years ago. SimCity is an actual city builder and MANAGER.
Devs of Simcity '13 misunderstood the concept of a "sandbox" game.
Look how alive and vibrant the city looks compared to CS2. Is it not possible for a modder to unlock the map so we can build bigger cities in Sim City 2013?
That’s such a good point! Imagine the possibilities 😮
Unfortunately not. For performance reasons, the land you see outside of the city border is largely just a facade. Modders have unlocked the ability to place roads outside of the maps, and even buildings, but it's a very wonky process and it wont behave like inside of the city borders (things like trees will stay where they are, regardless of placing roads or buildings)
I played this quite a bit a year or two ago. I also liked the Global Market. How you can affect the price of goods globally sending it higher or lower for everyone depending on how much you create and send out. If you created and stockpiled a huge amount of (whatever) and then released it on the market, the price would drop after awhile. (due to an abundance of it.) You'd could crash the price. So part of the game was also, how fast could you release all of your goods before that happened. Super fast to get paid. And also so fast you'd crash it. So you'd have to have good shipping (not by truck, that was waaay too slow). You could have huge reserves of a several different things and start making money simply by trading.
Then the global market went offline and... booooooo. No more fun.
There was also some kind of crime building. I forget what it was called. But all the gangsters (?) lived there. They would visit other cities. lol. If you clicked on the building, it would trigger them in your city and to visit other cities. (so fun for other mayors. /s Hope their police force was ready!)
haha yes! The Dr Vu vs. Maxisman aspect! I kinda liked this but I found it so useless when it was so hard to build up Maxisman to do anything, I never really quite worked this out.
few small things that SimCity did better imo, construction and burning animations, also like building designs more in SimCity
Yes! Good one. The construction workers are so cute in this one 😂
I liked Sim City 2013, now granted I got into it well after the game was matured around 2017 or so and I originally got into PC gaming years ago by getting a PC to play Sim City 2000 so I'm bias. I still go back to it occasionally to mess with it.
Yeah I think that’s probably why I loved it too, got in after those online only issues and other bugs were fixed 😂 thanks for stopping by! 💜
speakes volumes on Colossal Order's ability as developer as a game released a decade ago has better graphic, art assets and soundtrack than the game they released 4 months ago.
Lol this comment is 🔥 burn!
Simcity should definitely make a new game. The only good thing Cities Skylines did was its mod support. When you remove the mods, cities skylines turns into a huge void. They could not make good use of the gap left by Simcity in their second game. I hope simcity continues and brings competition. Simcity was a game series with its own style and ambiance. It was definitely better than Cities Skylines. Only the areas where we would build a city were small.
yeah i totally agree with all your points!
Paradox never releases sequels that are impressive without 3-4 years and $100+ worth of DLC.
simcity 2013 is genuinely my comfort game sometimes. gameplay is kind of shallow and cities are tiny but since most launch gripes were patched years ago its a lot easier to focus on the great soundtrack, art design and atmosphere. and it had a lot of great features, i always enjoyed regions and great works and the modular building system, the city-wide specialisations as well were great even if hindered by the tiny sizes. the UI is so much nicer then CS1 and CS2 even and its far nicer on the eyes and the graphics have aged so well, being far nicer looking then CS2, which seems to have no clue what they are doing in terms of art direction, despite having way less actual detail
I cant even name it but there is definitely wrong about cities skylines 2's graphics
It's the vibrancy of color. CS2 is muted and colors are darker shades, while SimCity is vibrant and bright with the colors being more crisp and clear.
Agreed. I got both SC2013 and CS2. Haven’t played CS2 just yet but am seeing from gameplay videos that it looks awful. Lighting sucks and the grass is just a flat dull green texture. The whole game looks dull
This makes me sad that SimCity 2013 was such a bust and sad that CS2 has had such a rocky start!
Yeah it’s been totally bumming me out! I’m keenly waiting for the redemption arc on CS2 at least, there’s still time 😊💜
My understanding on the size of 2013 was due to computers of the time. Since I played SimCity back in 1992 I can relate to their concern. There were performance issues both with the servers and on the desktop at release. Before then, much like CS1, the game could be played on almost anything. 2013 added a lot, and honestly, if EA would put forth a minor amount of effort they could re-release this with larger maps today, as is, and it would be a hit.
Simcities graphics are very well styled, still looking good
yeah i agree! it was great to go back to it and see how good it still looks!
Anything is better than cs2 at this point. I cant have a city of more than 60k people without the sim speed plummeting. And I have a ryzen 7 5800x, it is not the last of the line. When i was 14 i discovered simcity 2013, and it got me started on city managers. It was so cool seeing many people running around without slowdowns. Even if the game only simulates like 600 Sims at max (i think, but i remember they were a looow number) it has a very cool appeal. I love the graphics, and the maps don't bother me, because there is interaction between cities. it gives you a headache to manage the little space you have, and in the end with the cities of tomorrow dlc and the mega towers, you gotta have those big skyscrapers towering over the city. It was a blast, and I am still playing it 10 years later.
I like both games a lot. SC2013 has really nice progression, multiplayer could be better but I liked that you can see other peoples creations, having to balance worker wealth levels to fill jobs is cool, if you let crime run wild the city visibly deteriorates with graffiti on buildings. I would say the simulation aspects are much better than either CS games.
I think a lot of the CS2 drama will be quelled when they finally release the official mod support. Until then I think people will continue to cry about it and play CS1. Personally I think the CS franchise plays like a city painter with fun traffic management and both games fail pretty hard at the simulations/game progression aspects.
yeah you are raising some very good points! i also think the redemption arc is coming as soon as CS2 mods and assets come out officially.
Simcity is better because it actually runs at a playable framerate.
Biggest piece that everyone downplayed is player's driven market economy. (As far as I remember). You build city and sell plasma TV that affect global (server based) market for every player. Maybe I just made it up but I remember that you could dump a bunch of TV's that you hoarded in your warehouses and shortcutted everyone by doing it.
Don't you want players have some interaction between each other in their cities?
Also funniest thing to watch was when my buddies crimials were stuck in traffic into my city... Game had ideas and features ahead of its time but they had to resrtict themselves in that vision due to limited at that time computing power. Also network desync between regions was substantional. If they to make this game today with city sizes at least 3x3 from that it would sell like pancakes.
Yeah I totally agree on all points 😂 I wonder why nobody has thought to pick it up again (like at EA) given all the improvements they could make and even now the franchise is still so popular. I’m actually surprised at the response to this video and even SC2013 has so many fans and great memories. Thanks for sharing yours! 💜💜
That this video even had to be made, AND makes sense is so sad. CS2 could have been everything everyone ever wanted yet they messed it up so badly taking out everything that makes Cities Skylines 1 great.
There’s still time! I think it’s impossible for any game to recreate the Maxis magic but I still have hope that CS2 will improve in its own way! 💜
I will agree with you. I have played more SC2013 over the years, than CS1. SC2013, for all it's faults has a soul, the city needs rebuilding as it grows and if you think of it as a big puzzle, can spend 20 hours in just one city.
Also each city commercial & industrial buildings were related to it's specialization which made it more alive. In a casino city, the commercial districts near the casinos are hotels that generate a lot of money. In a coal mining town the industrial buildings are coal dealers, in an oil city different industries spawn processing oil etc.
Can have a city generating power to feed it's neighbours, similarly to provide garbage collection, recycling and even policing & medical care. So that frees actual space from the cities as you don't have to build the same buildings in all of them.
Also lets not forget the 3 thematic DLCs transforming various cities to French, English or German depending if you plop the starter building that convert it the architecture.
Yeah the DLCs were good! Imagine getting some CS2 DLCs sometime this century 😩 I also love the things you mention like hotels near casinos etc. so much fun to be had! 💜
@Paradox and CO: When people start to ask AND answer these questions, about, of all things an EA game . A game, even EA gave free games as an apology due that abysmal 2013 launch. you must know you F' ed up.
Yeah I’m surprised there hasn’t been much of that going on.. especially on the DLC at the very least!
Great video. Makes a good point on how CS2 is lacking alot of things that we have seen and Instead its locked behind future paid DLC
Thank you! Appreciate you stopping by. Maybe it won’t all be paid, but let’s see… 🤔
I loved SimCity 2013 despite it's flaws, mainly the small map size. But I felt like the buildings there had more of a "personality", and I guess I preferred the art style even if it's less realistic than Cities Skylines 2. I'm taking a break from SC2 until they fix mods, custom assets, etc. It has lots of potential, but I think it was released a year too early given how far behind they are on many promised features. There is a limit to how many times you can just put up a blog post that says "we're working really hard, but don't have anything specific to share".
I miss this game. I wish it was bigger. that's literally my only complaint. I know it has many many issues, but to me, if the map size wasn't an issue, I'd have been playing this game for the past 10 years.
I spent far more time on SimCity5 than on Cities Skylines. And even today, while owning both Cities Skylines 1 and 2, I play it time to time. Its the combination of graphics, music, progression, management and details (like firefighters fighting fires). In retrospect, liked the challange of small plots much more than building large cities.
The soundtrack, the art style, the charm, SimCity always felt so uplifting and fun to play. Cities Skylines never had that effect for me.
Hands down one of the best soundtracks of all time! Thanks for stopping by 💜💜
Quick answer, yes. If EA re-released this game with all the additions that CS1 has, I promise you it would do better than CS2. Like being able to purchase tiles, proper public transport; all of it.
Also think about the content, the base game of Simcity is huge in comparison to CS2 and SC is over 10 years older than CS2
Aghhh imagine how sweet this would be!!
I think it would be funny if EA went had someone turn Simcity 2013 into Simcity 5 and they gave it away for those who already had Simcity 2013. If they made Simcity 5 and apologized about Simcity 2013 they might be able to win some fans back.
We really need a concurrent for cities skylines
Ah, finally a video about Counter strike 2 on this channel.
Hahaha 😂
Ah yes, a city building game that turns into a FPS when the player fills up the map of a city that they're building. That would make for an interesting and very unique twist on a city building game, lol!
I’ve been saying that SimCity’s simulation feels far better than Cities Skylines, especially when you consider the industries and how the city changes over time. Yes the mandatory DRM at the start sucked but they fixed that. The city tile being small was the only big issue, but I get what they were going for. They wanted to make it so we are working on multiple separate cities that work together. I wish EA didn’t shut Maxis down. I really want another sequel. :(
We can only dream 💜💜
I have had the most fun with Simcity 2013 even more that CS1
Yeah somehow whenever I return, it's still so much fun!
Huge CS1 fan here. However, SimCity 5000 is still more visually beautiful than CS1 & CS2.
I had a ton of fun with simcity 2013. The size constraints, launch issues, overall bugs and not to mention the always online crap ruined a lot for the game. Having said that, it has some awesome mechanics that i really miss in other city builder games. The BEST thing about sc2013 is its visuals, artstyle and amazing soundtrack. It's one of the most beautiful failed games i know.
Yeah very well said!!! I totally agree 💜💜
CS is a boring traffic management game. Simcity was fun, engaging and challenging.
u dont need region in cs2, u literally have a very large potion of land to use, with selectively unlockable tiles
I still thinking that someone have to make something to can buy extra space on SimCity 2013. And everything’s gonna be just fine
Simcity 2013 would be so much better if the small city tiles were touching each other and were called districts not cities.
the only SimCity i played was back in the year 2000 lol, I think it was the second game in the series? anyway, this video was refreshing with the different buildings and animations - and the actually challenging finance management makes me want to try this one.
Thanks for watching! Yeah so much more magic and whimsy, it’s so much fun to revisit 💜💜
I think the thing that I notice sometimes with "Gamers" is once something is seen as a bad game, everything is assumed bad. SC2013 imo had a good art style, modular buildings, soundtrack, there were even houses of worship like churches, mosques, and synagogues. (Which CO seems bent on avoiding in spite of the massive role they play in making Cities feel realistic). SC2013's problems were required online connectivity at launch and Small Map sizes. If not for those the game likely could've turned out better. Also on the bad game with good features mark I could also say I think CS2 is a bad game (at present) but it's road tools, Mixed-use, and additional zones like Medium Density and Row housing are great.
Yeah no game is perfect usually! There are so many good things in both and I still love and enjoy both as well 💜💜 Thanks for stopping by!
As much as I like Cities Skylines, I have to admit I always preferred Sim City... Something about it is just a little more charming... I hope they make a new entry eventually... I mean we haven't gotten a new Sims game in over a decade either...
Ohhh my goodness how amazing would that be!! 🥰💜✨
@@ShelleySkylines yes it would be great... but with EA being EA... I have little hopes, they're busy milking players with the mobile version :-(
@@roccociccone597 hmmm you never know! especially with how the release of CS2 went, i think there's still heaps of room for more SIM CITY! clearly it's what the people want!
I like how you said gamberling😂
SC2 is better if we compare the 2 games after 3 months released
Damn. So this is where we’re at, huh?
lol I guess we are 😂
It's not only better than cs2 but also the first one as well :3
haha #controversialopinion!
I love this game so much, but the map size was the biggest problem for me
Yeah I totally agree!
1:31 It would have been perfect 🤩 😢😢😢
Between this and CPP's video on the same topic, I think I'm going to plan on getting sc2013 instead of c:s2!!!
Yeah he totally stole my video 😂 but no I think a lot of people are just going back to the archives and remembering there is more than just cities skylines! 💜💜✨
I hope there will be a new Simcity or a Simcity sequel. That's why I didn't like Cities Skylines 1 and 2 very much. For example, when Cities Skylines reaches 100 thousand population, it lags and becomes unplayable.
SC2013 could have been excellent if not for the limitations they imposed, such as tiny city squares, distant cities, and others. Unfortunately, these changes significantly diminished the game compared to its predecessors
really grasping at straws, but i will always give the soundtrack big up to simcity, nothing comes close to its epic music
I think SC2013 is better than CS1 and CS2. I miss that franchise and wish we could get a new game with bigger squares. But even with the smaller squares, it's a very fun game.
Yeah not going to lie I think I still love it the most as well 😂 although SimCity 4 is definitely my favourite of all. 💜
WHERE ARE MY MOD TOOLS PARADOX?!!! WHEERRREEEE ARREEEE THEYYYY???
Hahaha you have 24 hours to give us our mods. And to show you we’re serious you have 12 hours.
Hi, do you still play sim city 2013 if you, can you make a tutorial video for downloading mod if you know how to 😅
hey there! yeah i am still playing SC 2013 time to time, i don't think there are any mods for it though, just some DLC packs. you can play it through Origin ☺
В одном они схожи - практически угробили свои серии
Haha sadly yes, at least for now. But I’m rooting for the CS2 redemption!
Skylines 2 had a better launch if you can believe that. You couldn't even launch sim city due to their servers. Once EA took over Maxis, Sim City went downhill fast.
lol yeah it did! And hopefully unlike SC the people will come back once they fix some of their main issues. I’m sure they will! It’s a real shame what EA did to SC though, I agree!
the only problem is the size of the map it's just tooooo small
i just want simcity with cs2 maps
How GOOD would that be?? 💜💜
LOL people would lose their minds, considering the entire CS youtube community mainly plays the game to detail shit. Nobody plays the game to actually run a city, they just want to make pretty stuff.
Lol #controversial! Not gonna lie I probably play it more to make pretty things haha but I do like to have a well running city simulataneously, but it's probably my second priority 😂💜
I feel like CS and CSII are copies of SimCity!!! If it weren’t for sim city, we wouldn’t have city skylines or city skylines 2!
So true!! But copies or maybe homages? Or next generation? 🤔 thanks for stopping by 💜✨
size restriction ruins it
I tried so bad to enjoy CS, but i just cant. I get so damn bored with it.
Answer: yes
Hahaha i love the reply below this one is 'no'. But... yes! Indeed! 😂
Alot of game less expensive have a perfect economy...why for them is so hard make it only decent? bah whit money
It’s hard a shitty game vs a shitty game
lol ahhh decisions decisions 😂 they’re both still pretty fun though
SC2013 startup troubles and abscence of wide mod development it's not bad but cistomize both ore t far beyond mdern, little (ancient)landmark, wil never beat SC4 vissually ? Sysspec again the issue release on old hardware
LMAO, SC2013 is more a tablet game than a city designer. Nothing great about it. CS tries to simulate each agent, the traffic in SC is fake, for example.
Haha aww there’s still some good things to it! But definitely not for everyone. What’s your favourite city builder?
Yes. Since CS2 is a broken, incomplete game at best.
haha straight and to the point 😄
No.
Someone above you said 'yes' so who am I to believe??? 😂 thanks for stopping by! 💜💜
Definitely click-bait title. SC was awful.
Haha 👀 I did try to actually go through what I think is better though! And actually found a lot of good things about SimCity! I know it’s a controversial game though 💜
lol simcity 2013 was a crap af, maybe you're blind
Hahaha I still love it 😂
xD I see@@ShelleySkylines