Pat Quilter of Quilter Labs examines a Marshall JCM 800 and compares to a Quilter Tone Block 202
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- Pat reviews some of the behaviors of this vintage JCM 800 and compares it to his patented all analog circuitry in a Tone Block 202.
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Here’s an ideal opportunity to thank this man for inventing one of the most amazing pieces gear, the Quilter Superblock amps. I bought one last week, and was blown away at how great it sounds. Thank you, Pat, for adding another source of fun.
Pat Quilter is the best kind of mad scientist.
Ive been a fan of Quileter amps for years. I had the pleasure of meeting Pat Quilter at the 2019 NAMM show, I really enjoyed speaking to Mr Quileter, his designs are next level, a true genius, and gentleman. Thanks Pat!
Back to the Future!
Another total Quilter convert here. I mostly use the Aviator Cub these days, but have the 101 Reverb and the 202 Overdrive. Great amps. I'm an old guy, diehard tube amp lover, but these do the trick. Additionally, everytime I email Quilter to ask a question, Pat answers personally. Try that with the big guys. Love these amps...and they're light in weight. Finally, solid state has arrived.
21 lb quilter is a lot lighter than even a deluxe reverb. lol
Pat cured my amplifier Gear Acquisition Syndrome. Once I got my Micro Pro amps. Gen 1 and Mach 2, I have completely forgotten amp shopping. It's been years since I've shopped for amps.
Pat should do dummy loads on every amplifier and explain the technicalities on what’s going on. I’d definitely watch that.
Has to be one of the coolest videos ever...and now I know what "presence" is!
Kind of painful to listen to with the guitar out of tune... But the video was very interesting, and the Quilter amp looks amazing.
It's nice to see my old boss from back in the day on Placentia Ave.
I have a JCM800 2 x 12 50W combo. I used to run a hard distortion pedal through the effect return jack to bypass the preamp section. It was heavy as plutonium.
Dear Quilter, please release an unabashed, fire-breathing, demonic analog Tone Block 666.
Love,
Many Guitarists.
I concur. I would buy one in a heart beat. My overdrive 200 (amazing amp) does the job very well until Quilter unleashes the fury.
Maiden please
Those already exist: they're called Sunn Beta Leads. Unfortunately they haven't been made for awhile (but a clone is made).
@@profd65
I almost certainly shouldn't have made any allusions, albeit unwittingly, to doom metal - just an extremely good metal tone to put the Randalls to shame would suffice :)
@@MercutioUK2006
That would tough: Randall made a good solid state amp for metal. I betcha a Quilter + a ZVEX "Box of Metal" + a Marshall 4x12 (or another good rock cabinet; the speakers and cab are the most important thing) would sound pretty mean.
That “power-amp sag” (low end thump) sound can be recreated with a compressor in the FX loop. Using a EQ and Compressor in the FX loop is the secret to getting tube/valve character from a solid-state amplifier.
I want, more than anything, to have Pat Quilter collaborate with Mike Matthews from Electro-Harmonix. Those wizards would turn out real magic.
I'd shelved my 101 for a good few months. Pulled it off the gear shelf the other day and plugged it into a Marshall cab. I forgot how great it sounds!
Gandalf of guitar amps !
I really enjoyed this demonstration. Looking forward to seeing more of these
Combine the technical knowledge to analyze how something vintage works and then re create it with more current technology? Pure brilliance.
Someone did their homework.. and Pat got his milk and cookies. Great Job Pat, taking it to the extreme.
Glad to see somebody working hard on my life's dream of searching and finding the best solid-state amp.
Quilter make awesome solid-state amps, and that’s coming from a dedicated tube amp guy.
I've never tried one but I like their approach. Most of the solid state amps you have to be a brain surgeon. I'm an old dude I don't need much. Something simple that sounds good. I don't need my phone to operate my amplifier. I don't think my flip phone would work anyway.
@@electricj5 In theory there shouldn't be a reason why an analogue solid state circuit can't sound like a tube circuit if it's designed properly. That's why he's using FETs. FETs and tubes are voltage devices, transistors are current devices. You have to be a special kind of mad scientist to figure out how to make solid state emulate the technical limitations of tubes, but it is possible. However it's not just the tubes. In a tube amp every component, from pickup to speaker, is reacting with whatever it is connected to. Transistors don't change their behaviour much based on load ect, and they don't need output transformers. They also don't have inadequate power supplies usually. Tubes are very flawed technology, and the classic amps were very badly designed, if ones criteria is accurate sound. They were a beautiful mistake.
@@Patrick-857 the lab amps are really good
@@silverpairaducks Ty Tabors amp of choice on King's X's album Gretchen Goes to Nebraska. Such a unique and absolutely unobtainable guitar tone.
it bears repeating, more videos like this, please. I love my overdrive 200. 👍👍👍
I'm a believer!
Fantastic. I've learned a lot just from this one video! Thanks for sharing this. I'm curious about why the limiter is placed before the preamp. I would have thought having the limiter after the preamp would contribute to a more authentic-feeling tube-like sag, by not affecting the additional harmonic content generated by the preamp. Or maybe a little bit of both - some limiting before the preamp and some after?
Wooooooooooooaw, this is so interesting ! Especially the difference with dummy load and real speaker. Electronics is such a magical world ! :D
The only thing i need to know is if your 200w seems as loud as a 50w tube head or a 30w, i need to wait, I want a Quilter 4 channelthat can handle, 4 inputs giutar,bass,keys,mics and drive a cab per @ 500watts
Genius!! I'm getting this, thank you Quilter.
Huh,huh he said bacon sizzle! This is great!
Great stuff Pat!
But recognising that the guitar isn't tuned right and doing nothing about it ......
I enjoyed but did not understand why and how the waves looked different when going to the dummy load vs the real speaker.
Nice Kiesel by the way
Great company, great products. If Quilter ever makes a stereo Superblock (hint, hint) I’ll flip my lid
sweet, no hernias.
da boss,,, da engineer,,,, logical music man
I have an Overdrive 200 and I love it. Lately I've been thinking of getting the 202 just to have two of them and the extra tone options.
Fascinating. Thanks for doing this demo, Pat, and Peter!
Does the Steelaire have the same character as the Tone Block 202? I mean, does it distort in the same way?
You should have titled this video "Adventures With Tone Santa".
Careful. He sees you when you're sleepin'
WATTAGE ATTENUATION ?
You know your things. I should try your amps!
I look forward to the next evolution of amps with the Flux Capacitor.... ☺️
with 1.21 gigawatts pure power!!
Doc passed away... aint going to happen.
Audio wizardry
Most helpful and enlightening video I’ve seen in ages! Well done 👍🏻
Genius!
Quilter 😎👍🏻
A brilliant human
This is the most informative explanation of SS vs tube. I believed undoubtedly my whole life that "tube watts" were louder, even though that makes 0 sense. This is clearly because I do not know science like this guy. I am now dying to buy a Quilter.
thank for thats cool
Tune the guitar.
Thank you Pat and Peter! And greetings from France and the Gino Matteo band! The Bass Block 800 has been wonderfully reliable. I truly learn something new every day when Pat talks about stuff. Thanks again!
Mike Burnham, bassist for Gino Matteo
These are fasicinating, would love to see the dummy load through a Mach 2 as well! Perhaps a Fender or Vox style amp as well!
TB202 might be the greatest amp ever made because it's the only amp where I stopped wanting any other amp once I got it.
Does anyone ever tune their guitar before doing a tech video ? lol. Thanks for the video
:-)
im a bonafide quilterhead. been using the 101 for the longest time after many amps. have the frontliner cab as well. much love!
Where would you set the gain knob on the quilter 202 for a clean sound no dirt at all without losing considerable volume and power.
I think its a law that humbuckers only be played through a Marshall
4:00 so a cool bias is better to get an EARLY distortion? I always thought the opposite...so waht about a GOOD distortion tone instead? hot bias to get a better tone but later?? I'm very confused.
"bacon sizzle" = Crossover Distortion!
Exactly, why don't you bias that Marshall properly, It's cold as ice and sounds like shit!
@@johnmarshall3903 how can you say it sounds like shit when the speaker it's running through is in a padded chamber that's muffled to hell and back, and being put on TH-cam, which has a shit ton of compression. it's a demonstration of the waveform and what happens on the scope. no amount of biasing that Marshall will make it sound good in this particular instance.
Iove this man
what happen to your qsc? quilter sound products? are you still with qsc company. im a proud user of qsc.
I have a tone block. Best amp for the money hands down
I’d like to see the waveform for 8:23-8:25 mark :--------)
Super impressed with this company!
As a working musician I don’t have the time or money to fuss with valves they don’t sound that much better and the whole variability thing really annoys me sounds good one day not the next
I can see how that sort of master volume would be useful to get the amp to behave like its loud when it is at any volume
Interesting
Just ordered my TB 202, so stoked
He did say it early about reactance which would be greater with speakers than a dummy load. the output valves of a tube amp are fighting the inductance/reactance of the valve output transformer and also the inductance of the speaker cab so the speakers push back which makes the transformer push back and this is what gives the feel of a valve amp.
Pat should also look into why HIWATT have almost hifi quality with the same EL34 valve then goto the KT88 99 etc amps and also the same valves are used in real hifi amps.
Moar of these vids plz
Why no high cut on the 202?
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Really interesting
Good to see explained from s technical standpoint and compared. Much respect.
Never liked the jcm 800 .the amp never felt touch sensitive or dynamic.
1981-1983 are where it’s at for JCM 800s. 2203, 2204, 4010, 4104 models. They’re much more organic and touch-sensitive than the later models.
@@driventone The later model (with effects loop) switched to a clipping diode for gain, rather than relying on the preamp tubes.
Thats just one of the major differences that make the early 80s JCMs a far better amp than the later models.
Can I ask you a question! Im running my amp heads into an attenuator/load box direct into my DAW with Cab Sims and my 2 tube heads are working great. Im able to crank the master to a nice high level to get that nice Power Amp breakup. But the strange thing is, when I use the same setup with my Orange Solid State head, the signal works and sounds as it should at very low volumes, but as soon as you start to turn it up to any decent volume it just wants to squeal and sing. Any ideas as to why that could be? I dont believe anything is particularly wrong with the amp because I just tested it as a normal amp/cab setup, it just seems to be when Im recording direct into my DAW through the THD Hotplate
Well, it is hard to say for sure (we don't actually make Orange amps) but microphonic sounds are usually due to bad or un-shielded cables or jacks.
@@QuilterLabs101 Right, good idea. I can use all the same cables with my other amps and it works fine, so it's still kind of a mystery lol. But I appriciate the feedback.
Wow!
Thx! I have the 101 Reverb and actually doing some reamping today. We got a couple of Phaez Amps, a couple Friedmans, and I'm going to try out the Quilter 101. Thx for the testing and info, going to come in handy😎👍
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Excellent video.
Bravo! More!
Cool
This is really interesting! Please do more such videos with other classic American and Brit amps. Mahalos!
Ho Hawaiian!!! I just saw this video today and was wondering about the samething!!
Why? This wasn't an amp "shootout." He was just showing that Quilter amps have some of the qualities of tube amps.
@@profd65 Correct. But for myself, I'm a primary clean, Fender tone user. So as this video was kind of comparing the classic JCM 800 characteristics to a quilter amp, I was wondering how a classic Fender clean amp would compare to the quilter amps. And seeing as how I have not played through a Quilter and am currently looking for a mini amp head, that comparison would be very useful to myself. I'd hate to buy an amp only to find out that it is an amp primarily used for gain and NOT clean tones.
While a boosted JCM800 is still the gold standard for high gain tone, the lower gain settings are really underrated.
put a supro drive pedal /quilter thru yer scope and see what that looks like. the pedal has a transformer that saturates like a supro amp.
Loved this demonstration. I'm always looking at tube amps, but now I'm gonna check out the Quilter!
Thanks for this... Love my Quilters!!
Excellent information, and explanations. Thank you.
Would love to get some lab time with an amp guru!
" That 'bacon fat sizzle'."
Cool! I want an inter block 45!
buying a 202 asap!!!!
This is amazing!
I have blast with my micro block.
This. Is. AWESOME.
I've been jonesing for a quality American-made solid state, and lo, my prayers have been answered!
Sadly this amp is made in China. Pro Block 200s were made in USA but it appears Quilter wasn't able to keep the business going by continuing to make things in USA.
Great music is made in the USA and elsewhere. Great amps are made in USA and elsewhere. Quality is NOT exclusive to the USA - just look at your cars. I have recently bought on ebay (for £150) a pristine Laney cub 12r, designed in the UK and built in China. It is seriously well built valve amplifier, and with the second hand epiphone Les paul cherry sunburst (also from eBay for £170), my 10-y-old has fantastic equipment at an affordable price. USA build can be good, but price will exclude much of the rest of the world, and where would the next generation of Peter Green, Danny Kirsten, Jeff Beck, Paul Kossoff come from to entertain you?
Apologies. Obviously should read Danny Kirwan. Humbled and shamed to have mis-spelt the name of such a musical genius
Predictive *#@?#@* texting
True, lots of countries can make great items. However, you'd have to be playing dumb to not see the benefits of supporting US workers when you live in the US.
Sadly, many US workers will not pay a premium to support living wages for other US workers.
Great video. I love the examples on the oscilloscope.
This is a great video! Very cool information! Love my Quilter amps!
the quilter blows away the 800
Great video, more like this would be good, thanks!
That power amp fart on the 800 sounds awful.
I own 2 Quilter Duck amps, they rip.
Old Audio Precision in upper screen left.
Love that "bacon fat" sound!
I actually thought the quilter sounded better too lol
wow...sometimes do see bs, but I think tis guy really knows his stuff