For us Gentile Christians, we should side with Jesus and focus on Him. And tell Israel to believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah and to stop the ritual killing of the Paschal lamb because Jesus already fulfilled that on the cross (Hebrews 7:27; 10:10).
Im sorry, u should search on google 'messianic jews'.. there are already jews who believes in Jesus..and their comprehension toward bible is more deeper than us christians gentile. What Paul said is really happened now in israel and other nations.
But we should also mourn with people who are suffering, like the Palestinian this still stands today they are suffering beyond imagination as have the innocent lives of Isrealis.
This is so timely and much needed. Please continue to keep us grounded in the Word for Jesus’ sake and not our own understanding, Pastor John. You are a blessing and especially during times like these when so many can be lost. Thank you 🙏
I side with all the innocent people on both sides who are suffering because of the madness of mostly fanatics and some politicians on both sides. By the way, I am a follower of Jesus Christ.
Thanks for an excellent answer Pastor John. Wish that the whole church and people in power/media who claim to be Christians would listen to this answer.
Too bad this is not the correct answer, unfortunately. The promise of the land given to Abraham was an UNCONDITIONAL COVENANT (see Gen. 15). In other words, it was a categorical promise conditioned only by one party - God - who alone walked between the sacrifice as Abraham was sleeping. We are saved by the righteousness of God, that is, by his mercy and love given in Messiah, and not by our own abilities to keep covenant with God, for faith itself is a gift, not a work that justifies us. We are dead in sin and only a miracle of God saves us. Full stop.
Thank you for this. And I agree. We must pray for everyone. Politics should not form a basis of sides. Everyone deserves His mercy and grace and we must pray that everyone one day acknowledges Jesus.
I wondered about that comment. Does covenant breaking mean that God isn't going to be faithful to his covenant promises? certainly, once a covenant stipulations are broken, sanctions are permitted under the covenant agreement. However, GOD KEEPS, what we fail to keep. This does not mean that God doesn't send adversaries to punish Israel. This does not mean that God does not send diaspora to his people. However, it also doesn't mean that God won't send them back to that same land (1948), and allow for a seemingly endless infighting with the people in that region for their rejection of his Son.
@@tentmaker2254 They've done that. Many are becoming born again. Lots of Jews are finding Christ here in the End Times. More now than any other time in history. The Jews are also returning home. They do not want to live in America anymore. Are they perfect? No. But neither are we. So yes, they are obeying God. Obey and inherit the land is a requirement correct? Well, they're doing that. Could they do it a little better? Perhaps, but the Jews have shortcomings just like the gentiles. I would even argue, they could have done it a little sooner too. But that is on God's timing also. Will every Jew accept Christ and obey God perfectly? I highly doubt it. But more of them will as the End Times progress.
Thanks for bringing us back to the Center John Piper. We all have a tendency to forget who we're following. We all have the tendency to want to make a secular decision based on who's right and who's wrong depending on who's committing worse atrocities at the moment.
This is spot on! Ive been thinking how in the past I would usually just focus (like most Christians) on how Israel has the Biblical right to the land, and Hamas among others wants to exterminate them. But since being there, meeting and speaking with them on both sides, most Israelis and Palestinians just want to live their lives and feed their families. Jesus died for both sides and we shouldn't be so focused on who gets the land that'll be replaced with the new Jerusalem anyway. Getting them in there should be our focus. Today's culture of us-vs-them is so easy to fall into, especially with the media. This reminds me of Joshua chapter 5: "Who's side are you on?..." "Neither..."
@@QarreoMusic The Palestinian Christian population has declined since 1948. Israel is the only country in Middle East with a growing Christian population. Also if god hated Esau for giving his birthright how much modern day Israel does god hate because they are giving away that land.
@@noahremnek3615 brother, Good does not hate Israel he died for them too. They are "blinded in part, until the fullness of the gentiles come in" and will then recognize their messiah Jesus. Good is not finished with Israel nor does he hate them. Check out Romans 11 and Zechariah 2 for references brother. Peace
There are condional and unconditional parts of the covenants of God with Israel. Piper fails to recognize this and the land is not conditional. Jer. 30:3, Gen. 12:3
@@sonlightmusic the land was given unconditionally to God's chosen people, but them being his chosen people was conditional on them keeping his commandments. When Jesus came and a new covenant was established, the Jews who didn't believe were in violation of this covenant, thus making them no longer his chosen people, and no longer the rightful heirs of the land. It seems the only reason the Jewish people have held the land is because of the few faithful that live there that believe in Jesus. (Galatians 3:28-29) The old promise was not abolished (Galatians 3:17-18), and never will be, but the promise applies to those who serve God, not one people of a certain heritage, but all who call upon the name Jesus.
Jesus said: love your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your minds. And secondly, we should love our neighbour as ourselves. The problem is that Israelis are not Israelites. And the Palestinians were the majority in the land when zionists pushed for mass emigration to Palestine. My point: this situation was created by Britain, and the UN. But no innocent ppl need to die, on both sides😢
Yes! When I pondered upon this thought that Jesus Christ died for everyone (all ethnicity) not just Jews/ Israelites, it made me pray a different prayer. How can I hate these people when God loved them in the very first place! It must have broken God's heart to see this human slaughter. And if I am in Christ I am not here to choose/judge but to love.
@@reformedwretch2071 Jesus is our climax example that God is a God of compassion, who is willing to SUFFER with, for, and even at the hands of His creation. You might ask “what kind of a God is that” and I would say, “one worth devoting yourself to completely.”
5 years later and We are still talking about this and because of what's going on recently. Gods word is true. The Bible is true. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light
I’m hoping that in this day and age, especially, that each of us will continue to dive deep into the word and let it sink in our hearts, so that we can become as good of resources as John do you have the time to discussions with those around, especially our friends and family
The abrahamic covenant is: 1) unconditional (God will accomplish it) this type of covenant is not dependent on Israel's faithfulness 2) it's eternal - it has not ended 3) it is literal with actual boundaries defined by God - Gen 15 So the land is Israel's
@@JordanAnthonySmith first off know that I'm not taking side, but in the bible if Israel disobey they're disband to foreigner countries but if they do repent they will be gather back to their home . But I do not say I side with their government whose is a no god-fearing government so their actions can't be join with God but it's true they always go back to their land after repenting
A timeless message it seems, released 5 years ago, yet perfectly applicable to today 10/14/2023, and based on a holistic view of Scripture! Lots of voices out there, but it's wise to closely check the content before believing the messengers, most of whom are going straight to end times prophecy rather than a balanced approach that considers the Bible's full message. It's the incredibly sordid history of mankind's (except for a few bright spots) rejection of God's message to mankind at many times and in various ways. Now God has spoken through His Son, offering amazing grace, and still He is largely rejected or ignored. A time is coming when that offer ends, replaced by judgment and restoration, when Christ Jesus reigns with true peace and righteousness. Thank you Pastor Piper!
John you said "a non covenant keeping people does not have the divine right to hold the land of promise which was given by covenant." But the punishment for disobedience to the "Land Covenant" or "Palestinian Covenant" is not that they would lose their right to the land but that they would lose blessing. They would be dispersed and eventually regathered.
@@airikdavids Thank you! That's kind. I have a channel where I deal with several issues. It's a little new, but we have several videos. It's a channel with my friend called "Josh and Dan's Bible Studies". I'm Josh. ☺️
@ Yes, Piper is a premillennialist and holds a post tribulational view of the rapture. I myself am also a pre-mil, but a pre-trib, I don't see how any of it has to do with the video.
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@@hebraist yes I can see that, having a premillennial view completely distorts how one reads the Bible, surely you understand this as you’re a Bible teacher yes ?
They were already regathered after 70 years of Babylonian captivity. During the Passion Week Jesus told the Jewish leaders, "the kingdom of God is taken away from you and given to a nation bearing the fruit thereof" (I Peter 2:9). That nation is the church consisting of ethnic Jews and gentiles, according to I Peter 2:9. I Peter 2:9 is a direct quote from Exodus 19:6, indicating that the church has replaced the NATION of Israel in the New Testament era. The NATION of Israel no longer has any special place in God's plan. He divorced and burned and stoned the nation in 70 a.d. and fulfills his promise by including individual ethnic Jews in the church.
A non covenant keeping people may not eat of the good of the land. But they do not lose the land! This is important as God's punishment for Israel as dictated in scripture never included them losing the land God gave them. They were driven out but scripture foretells they'd be gathered back together. In addition, the mere fact that the scripture tells of "an hardening upon Israel" in the new testament reveals that the Lord still deals with Israel as a people and is committed to their restoration.
its very sad, you need to go there and meet the people from both sides to try get an idea. i went with an open mind, and left with the same mind. its an awful situation...with many peace loving people on both sides who just want normal lives.
Pastor Piper’s mistake here is not understanding the unconditional covenant God made with Abraham regarding the land during the “covenant of the parts” (see Gen. 15). The apostle Paul referred to the earlier-than-Sinai covenant to make the point that he was not anti-Torah since the promise of the gospel was rooted in the promise given to Abraham 400 years before the law was given at Sinai. Grace is based on God’s promise, not the works of righteousness that would warrant God’s blessing. Prayerfully re-read Jeremiah 31:31-38, the ONLY place in the Old Testament that defines the New Covenant of Messiah and then ask yourself if the LORD has forsaken the Jewish people. Then re-read John 4:22. May the Lord God of Israel give you wisdom as you seek the truth.
Inherit land in Israel? Why? Abraham was seeking a heavenly city, not real estate in the East. The Israel of God are those in Messiah. Jew and Gentile doesn't exist. A remnant of ethnic Israel will be saved, but that is not the people there since 1948. The ethnic Israel matters not. They need Christ and are lost in sin until then. The church is Israel. The physical land promises were fulfilled during the reign of Solomon you can see this in First Kings 4:20 through 25 and second chronicles 9:26 states that all the physical promises were fulfilled.
In today's ungodly driven world, human rights appear to be subjective. As Christians the very eldest we can do is support the fellowship of Christ followers everywhere@@aaabbb-py5xd
@@aaabbb-py5xd Who says this video talks about human rights? 🤣🙄😒 if you already watched this video or not, you didn't even understood what Pastor Piper is talking about, it's all about Jesus! 🙄🤷♂️🤦♂️
@@sonsofthunder1936 I agree. I don't understand your strenuous attempt to pivot into Santa Clause by way of emojis. Do give greetings for me to your outta this world (and time) Santa Clause who resides in a philosophical gap specifically designed to render meaningless concepts unassailable, that is, by way of their very meaninglessness. Lol, no wonder you tried emojis; you're almost on par with your theologians
@@aaabbb-py5xd What does this topic or any of our conversation has to do with santa claus anyway? 🤣🤣 I don't celebrate christmas or any other pagan holiday rituals either since after I acknowledge the Bible and study it as the source of truth. Bruh, your off the topic, stop wasting those fingers of yours. 🙄😒🤷♂️🤦♂️
Absolutely right. Also Bible is talking about Biblical Israel not political Israel. The British controlled Palestine until Israel, in the years following the end of World War II, became an independent state in 1947
@K_A86 Can you expand at all, I am not sure how to separate the 2. Do you think prophesy is being fulfilled in Isreal that they wouldcreturn to the land or will that take place later?
Those who quote Paul on the remnant Israel, fail to quote his further words, that he is also an Israelite saved by grace. It's either a real believing remnant, or an illusory, non-existing one.
@Beren c there were IFs there, IF they would abide in the covenant, if they would keep His commandments. Otherwise they would be cast away - it was predicted too.
@Beren cone of the the overarching themes of the New Testament is that God is NOT a respecter of a person's background (specifically referencing Jews and Greeks) and that we are all one under Christ. The promises to Abraham? Know you not that if you are Christs, then you are Abrahams seed, and the heirs according to the promises God made to him? (Gal 3:16-29) Open your eyes - It is election by GRACE not by RACE
@Beren c LOL nice straw man you built up and destroyed. God did not change, more was revealed. They looked through a glass darkly in the time of the law and the prophets. The whole OT was but a shadow of the greatness to come. You bet your bottom dollar that a new and better testament was revealed in Christ. "But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises." Hebrews 8:6
The physical city of Jerusalem on earth is no longer of importance...the spiritual Jerusalem is what matters “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering,” Hebrews 12:22 ESV
Um have read the Revelation? Or Romans 11? How about Zechariah 12-14? How about Joel 3:2? Go listen to someone that knows gospel. Piper preaches a false gospel of works so of course he will do the antichrist’s bidding by hating Israel. Very subtly but anti Semitic never the less.
@@Tdizzle7775 In 70ad the fullness of the gentiles came in and Israel was no longer blind. The genealogies were destroyed so that none could make a claim by natural birth. Have you read the two chapters before 11 in Romans or all of Galatians. Galatians 4:26 "the Jerusalem above is free and the mother of us all." The OT prophets spoke to the jews of being scattered yet the Lord would bring them back. Jesus never said they would come back as a nation after their destruction. Peter warned them in His epistle that the elements would melt with a fervent heat and he spoke of the OT temple laver, candlestick, etc. He was not talking about oxygen and hydrogen
But do you not believe Jesus Christ is going to return? It is clear from numerous scriptures that He will return to Jerusalem, so I find it strange for a Christian to dismiss this city that God speaks about hundreds of times, weeps over, loves deeply. It is so contested now, and throughout the centuries, precisely because of its significance.
God has brought them back to their land in unbelief. Paul says “Has God rejected his people? God forbid!” The day is coming when all Israel will be saved. The land belongs to Israel in preparation of Messiah’s return on that day when the dry bones will come alive spiritually, and the boundaries of the land will be more than a sliver.
@@moffe5241 it's mentioned in the old testament bible that a mighty prophet of Allah would come to rule the nations. Al Maseh ..his journey is paused. For those who intended to take him out in order to destroy God's plan. Too bad. N He is NOT God..for God is not a man..dont u read your bible N He has a God..God doesn't have a God. God is 1 without partners..go READ your commandments N Worship the 1 who sent Issa PBUH (remember no J in Hebrew or Aramaic) so why twist a man's real name. N pay attention to his quoted words..those Romans sure did wrote falsehood against him. "I of by myself do nothing" No God would ever utter THAT...but a man aware of how his WORDS will be twisted to replace him for the western Antichrist Dajjal did. Rome n since Britain want the seat of Al Maseh....thus, the entire world charade. Question...y not antiMoses, or antiMuhammed...y Antichrist?
If Jesus died for your sins does that mean you can commit sins and you're forgiven? “Jesus died for our sins” means exactly that to me or am I missing something?
@@latishamalika1 how can a people lose they're free pass to heaven if they believe for a second Jesus isn't dead. They'll have to undo all their sins, as they say “Jesus died for our sins”... Nice guy.
He is faithful, but perhaps this means that as long as we don't uphold our end, He doesn't END the covenant. We don't have to ask for a new covenant each time, he allows to continues the old one. If it were the way you say it is, then isreal would have never been sent to Babylon and we wouldn't have the book of Daniel. Israel was unfaithful in the OT, so God denied them their land, for a period of time. I hope this was helpful is some way, Cheers 👍
No its not the moment, if so God would have left David the moment he sinned. Its the overall actions and continuous behavior that determines the outcome. You do realize God did eventually leave from Israel when Solomons son continued to defy Him. It is when they repented that God came back.
I don't think pastor John said that God broke His covenant, he said the people of Israel (as a whole) have not honoured their end of the bargain. Therefore, they do not have immediate right to the benefits of the covenant (claiming the land as divine right). Think about Christ dying for us sinners; we surely have the blood of Jesus as The Authority against death BUT we are bound to death UNTIL we repent and confess the Lord and Saviour. God has faithfulness, grace & mercy for everyone who's WILLING to honour Him, along with His commandments.
Well balanced! The question is, who is Israel according to Jesus? Jesus told the scribes and pharisees that they were “sons of hell!” He said “Your father is the devil!” We act as if we know who “Israel” is. We can’t! It’s not a group but an individual salvation! Same with Christians. They also said to The Lord,“But we are children of Abraham!” Jesus said “if Abraham was your father, you would believe me !” Then Jesus sort of mocked them saying “ I can make children of Abraham out of these stones.” The just shall live by faith. Not lineage! “But what about the scripture that says all Israel will be saved? Again. Who is Israel? That takes study and discernment.
Just because they were driven out of the land does not mean that the land isn't theirs anymore. They were being punished for a time. The Land is still theirs and will always be theres. When you punish your kids were they no longer Pipers and you kicked them out. I don't think so.
If memory serves me correctly, John Piper once said he does not think it is justified to kill an intruder even if he knows that his wife would be raped and his children are to be killed. I must assume that he then would think that Israel can't justifiably kill the "people" that cut babies out of their living mothers and de-capitated the baby, tortured then killed the elderly and women and children. I would love to know exactly what Mr. Piper thinks Israel should do regarding the unprovoked butchery of its citizens? If I have misrepresented any factual information above please correct my errors.
This has been proven false and Israel has been proven to have slaughtered Palestinian babies and raped women. This on video, I watched it, it’s horrific and they were laughing. Please be careful as to not just see one side of the story. There is a lot of manipulation regarding this topic.
WRONG! Gen 13:15: "for all the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your descendants forever." There are no conditions, such as obedience, on this promise. Also see Gen 17:8, 28:13, 35:12, 48:4, Dt 4:40. These verses all clearly show that God gave the land as an everlasting possession, for all time, to the sons of Jacob. There were no conditions on this promise. God does not and will not ever revoke any of His promises. Note that God knew all of the future disobedience of Israel when He made these promises. There were conditions on other things, but never on the land. One day in the future God will cause Israel to come to Jesus and be saved (Romans 11:26-29).
God has made both conditional and unconditional covenants with His people. God's promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was unilateral - unconditional. Because of sin God sent them into exile with the unconditional promise to bring them back from the four corners. God did not demand repentance first before they could return, but He would deal with them in the land He promised.
Thank You Pastor Piper for revealing the truth and the simplicity of this complicated matter in Israel. Lord may every person inhabiting the Holy Land turn to the Messiah Jesus and witness the peace in Israel that will come under His reign.
Thank you Pastor John P. This is what the Sovereign Lord says Isa: 5: He who Hates me Hates My Farther as well John:15: 23. In Jesus name. Psalm 81:10-16 Amen
Hello friend, if you're a calvinist than please don't blame Israel for their unbelief, stiff neckedness, idolatry, blasphemy and any other vile sin they have committed in their history or the present for that matter! You know why because as a consistent calvinist (like Piper), who have to believe God decreed them to do it, like ALL OTHER EVIL! As I'm not I think this is quite easy to handle without demonising our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I don't disagree with John 15.23 neither am I saying they cannot do or say evil. The Apostle Paul concludes all have sinned and Jew and Gentile sin alike: Romans 3:9 KJV - What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; Where they fell short God punished them. In fact scripture says they received double for their transgression. Isaiah 54:8-10 KJV - In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer. For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee. For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee. But it was never permanent and God brought them back when they repented and because of their promise to Abraham and the land. (The land promise was unconditional not based on Israel morality but God's faithfulness and promise to Abraham. Genesis 15:12 KJV - And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. Genesis 15:17 KJV - And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. That's way God ONLY passed through the animals, it was based on God's faithfulness not on Israel's faithfulness.
Israel are in UNBELIEF & IN THE LAND fulfilling Zech 12 etc Zechariah 12:7-10 KJV - The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah. In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
@@Moderador-bo9px Hello I thought I was speaking or writing Chinese for a minute? How about you spend 2mins reading my simple but detailed response (time and space being our enemy). I'll start you of... The post is in rejection of calvinism and replacement theology (which I think you are, apologies if not).
God is not a covenant breaker! This is so wrong. The Jews returned as in Ezekiel dry bones prophesy, if they were not in the land as we reach the tribulation how would Ezekiel 38 play out? Is any land not rebellious to God?
Ezekiel 36 explains that the Lord will bring the people of Israel who are scattered, back into the Land of Israel in a state of disobedience *for the sake of His holy name. *. It is for His namesake that he acts, and he acts by bringing them into the land. Go read it. Then he will give them a heart of flesh and put a new spirit in them (language of the Jeremiah 31 New Covenant). He brings them back even in disobedience because He is a God of covenant, and the covenant that He formed with Abraham is unilateral, unconditional, and everlasting. He fulfilled both sides of the agreement in Genesis 15. Romans 11:27-28 affirms that the gifts and calling of God to the Jewish people are irrevocable. We have seen this in process of fulfillment in the 20th Century as the Jewish people returned to Israel in unbelief. The greatest revival in the Jewish people that we have seen since the first century coinciding with the reunification of Jerusalem in 1967. To God be the Glory that He keeps his promises.
Side with Christ. All we (includes Israelis and Palestinians) like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all (Isaiah 53:6).
Muslims have not gone astray. They pray just as Jesus did, on his knees and the women cover like mother Mary did. Islam is the continuation of the three religions. It’s all one.
@@amandah1875 it's not about us, nor the "religions" we come up with. Christ is the ONLY ONE who came in the form of human flesh, yet without sin, who is also fully God. This is why He said "FOLLOW ME". EVERYONE ELSE falls in the "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" category.
@@waynejeez5620 Palestinians are very pure hearted people so I do believe they are following the examples of ALL the prophets, including Jesus. You would have to have been there or met the people who grew up there to know what I’m talking about. The so called “Christian” countries in the West have very much strayed more than they have.
@@amandah1875 you're missing the point, which is easy for any of us to do when it comes to Christ. Christ is the ONLY ONE who has come in the form of human flesh, yet without sin, who is also fully God. This is why He said "FOLLOW ME". Even though man has his own way of thinking; and has his own perspectives, feelings, knowledge and wisdom, the Lord doesn't use ANY OF THAT to establish the order in which we are to live. We are to now RESPOND to that order that has ALREADY been established by Christ. The Lord wants to give us rest and peace, and man's "ability" to "create religions" NEVER achieves what only Christ can.
I love the way Piper focuses first on praying for salvation of Jews and Palestinians. The holy feasts point to Christ the Messiah, the fulfillment of all the law and the Jewish faith. I would add that after this, there is some subtlety we could examine such as Genesis 12:3, and reflect on what this could mean today, but I think Piper responded very thoughtfully and he addresses mankind's greatest need--the gospel of Jesus Christ. P.S. Pastor John, please make an updated response to this and take more time to go over this important subject and include more scripture references.
We are the temple friend. Read Acts 15:1-18. Note James summing up. Vs 13-18. The people who believe in a literal future temple in Israel quote the old testament. But you won't find the Lord are any of His apostles throughout the new testament teaching such. Again ponder Acts 15 again. Note again what James says about the future temple by all the old testament prophets, Acts 15:15. Then Acts 15:16-17. Their fulfillment was speaking of us the church. It's was a spiritual fulfillment. The church. Us. Throughout the epistles we are called the temple, building, .1st Corinthians 3:16-17. Our individual body. 2sd Corinthians 6:16. Speaking of the whole body of believers, the church. Ephesians 2:19-22. Us again, the church. Hebrews 12:22-24. Us again, the heavenly Jerusalem. As God says in His Word. We are is temple prophesied by all the prophet's in the old testament. Acts 15:15, through 16-17. Praise the Lord.
That's ok you have every right to be WRONG. Israel exist because God said they would. Do some home work. Or you could just chose to be lazy and believe the lies. It's your choice. Good luck w/ that.
Regardless of which side your on or your biblical interpretation ,it shouldn't give the Isreali soldiers license to shoot to kill indiscriminately unarmed people .
Let me give you a lesson on this. The Palastines hide behind women and children. When Israel has identified a target they literally call the building and tell them they are going to bomb it. They give the people who want to leave time to get out. They give everyone fair warning that it will be destroyed. If you chose to stay then you will die. Sorry for your bad decision. If you think for one second God will restore Palastine you are wrong. Do people in the IDF make wrong decisions and kill the wrong person. Yes, but what are those people doing in a war zone. If you don't want to get killed get out. Its that simple.
USS liberty destroyed by Israel. Despite being clearly identified by the pilots on the radio recordings as an American ship with flag on the mast. Committing four war crimes in just a couple hours all while laughing about who would finish the ship off. All of this recorded. Sinking life boats, killing medics and using napalm on the decks of the ship while killing crew trying to send distress signals using unmarked blacked out jets. Sorry but Israel isn't any less evil than its neighbors and supports sin all the same as Tel Aviv is capital for gay pride. Think of this for a minute. The word says that like in the days of noah so shall it be in the end times. A time when the whole earth was in rebelion against God with the exception of a shepard and his family who lived by faith.
there is no palestine in the Bible so the use of that word is unBiblical ... Romans 1:16 says it all and addresses all people groups ... the Land Covenant is unconditional - Genesis 15 ... the Land Covenant is not based on Israel's obedience, Piper is wrong on this issue
Excellent pastor John Piper. God has a plan for Israel, but the modern state of Israel is a not restored Messiah believing Israel, it is neither above nor below any other country.
What do you think the tribulation is for? It's when God deals w/ the Jews/Israel. You are so blinded if you don't think Israel and the Jews are God's chosen people, they are HIS chosen people FOREVER. They always have been and they always will be.
I have Jewish ancestory but this doesn't make me any more special then the next man who believes in Jesus Christ. You have to accept Jesus Christ before you can ever see the light and the truth and to have eternal life through Christ the only way. There is no other way. A strip of land doesn't save you any more than cutting off your foreskin. Don't rely on dirt to save you but of the blood of the Lamb which is the whole point in Passover it's the blood of Jesus that saves us. The blood of the Lamb defeats death alone. I can only think that God would give this land back so that those who seek after such desires still to this day will reap what they sow as a judgement. And once again instead of having God and the temple that they wish to build they will worship the devil once again. The Third Temple will not be built with human hands but will be built perfect streets of gold by God himself. Did you not understand that Jesus went to go and prepare a place for you? What does any of this on earth have a value? he is preparing a place for you. We are not of this world my Christian brothers and sisters but we are merely ambassador's to the world. There will be a new Heaven and a new Earth.
@@siouxwarrior5396 I take it you don't believe in a literal Bible. There will be a third temple rebuild and it will be soon. Where do you think the anti-christ goes when he desecrates the Holy of Holies. To McDonalds? I am not worshiping the Jews, Israel or their land. I believe in a literal Bible. I believe when God said he makes an everlasting conenant w/ the Abraham and it will last forever that is exactly what He means. Forever. The tribulation is where God deals w/ the Jews. The church age will be over and a new dispensation will start. The only way to salvation is through Jesus and His blood. It is by Grace through Faith. Period. No other way.
@@tudfrey Anybody who believes that Jesus Is messiah becomes One of God’s Chosen people. All who have faith in Christ are God’s Chosen people. Not you’re race or ethnicity or skin colour. If a Jew doesn’t believe that Christ is messiah he will not be saved.
@@Doktoreee You are correct. But I am not talking about salvation. I am talking about God's chosen people group. That chosen people group is Israel. If you don't think God chose Israel then you need to go back and study the OT. The Church did not and will never replace Israel. Just so you are clean Jesus is a Jew. Jesus is returning to Israel, Jerusalem specifically. He will set up his earthly kingdom in Jerusalem. All the Apostles as Jews. Jesus came to the Jews. He did not preach to the gentiles he came to the Jews. Paul took the gospel to the gentiles. Israel belongs to the Jews and no one else. Stop listening to J. Piper and study for yourself and see what he Bible really has to say. Let the Bible interpert the Bible. Stop being a 5 pt. Calvinist and really study the the word of God.
(Sorry for the VERY, VERY long "comment". But I believe it NEEDS to be espoused) Kind Sir John Piper...your Title is very important now..."Should We Side with Israel or Palestine"! I believe NO! Because BOTH Israel and Palestine; have denied God (in the "Flesh" to the Earth) in this... John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was within God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 And the Word was made Flesh (Jesus)*, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (And in this)... 1 Timothy 3:16 Without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the Flesh (Jesus), justified in the Holy Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. * Now the word Jesus; is an English language. But in Hebrew it's "Yeshua". And in Greek, it's "Iesus". But they are all "ONE". So God's Israelite. have dwindled down, to only ONE Tribe: "Judah" (Jews). And over 90% of them hate and/or deny Jesus. For 2,024 long yrs. And over 90% satan god's Muslims, have said, "Jesus is only a Prophet"! And that's Blasphemy to God. So again, both nations are doing exactly; and what satan wants! So we should NOT Side, with them. Because, they are going to Hell. As satan will do in this... Revelation 20:10 And the "Devil" that deceived them (All Non Non Born Again's)**; was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the "Beast" and the "False Prophet" (satan's "Fallen Angels") are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. End of, me case. So... ...In any case John Piper and Brethren, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN! ** Those "Both", are NON Born Again's too! Just like any Atheist, ETC! In the eyes of Jesus! Amen!
It is Foolish to lash out it is wise to Apologise May Our Lord and Holy one of Israel draw all of us into the Mind of Christ and Teach all of us to know him and his truth God Bless you and Keep you in Jesus name Amen.
I have always loved listening to your sermons, Pastor John. One in particular, The Horn of Salvation" moved me deeply. , Today, we needed this guidance so much, as we are in anguish as to what is happening in the Israel and Palestine. Thank you for drawing our attention to what our response should be to this tragedy - response of God's Loving Compassion for All People In Christ and to live and pray accordingly.
You have just placed yourself at ENMITY with Christ: Genesis 12: And have called down a curse on yourself and your household by coming into agreement with this deceiver.So before you come to the defence of this man, you better verify the Scriptures for yourself, to show yourself approved onto God
I disagree, God time after time restores Israel despite their disobedience on the basis or his promises and mercy. Why this cannot continue despite their disobedience? God’s faithfulness and promises still hold and so they have a right to the land till this day.
Cannot answer that question unlesz you understand Genesis 3:15 and that framework and how it relates to today and the parable of the wheat and tares, a further illustration of Gen 3:15. Am sure this pastor is ignorant to these dynamics.
Make no mistake, even though Israel times and again break the covenant, God has not forsaken them, and will never forsake them. This is the attribute of God we Christians rely on. If God will forsake His people whom He has chosen, what make you think God will not forsake you being a wild olive tree? (Romans 11:14-20) God will always keep His part of the covenant, the scripture tells us so. God is the one who brought Israeli back to the land of their ancestral. The prophetic clock is ticking again, those who rely solely on men to teach them instead of dwelling into the Word of God set themselves up for deception. Take heed, honor God by reading and searching into His Word.
Sweetie what's happening today is not God driven, it's mere atheist / agnostic " Jews" who are ursurping God's plan to redeem Jews and Gentiles to Israel once they accept Jesus. Do not mix things up because what you are speaking now is unbiblical. Revelations 2:9 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
@@TruePathLiving Well you need to know your Bible. While I agree with you most of the Jews are atheist / agnostic; you need to know that God is with them, Zechariah 2:8 “For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.” Besides, if you are for the truth, you have to be with Israel, this will help you: "Lies and deception glorified death; truth sanctify lives" Seek the truth and you shall be blessed!
@@TruePathLiving And don't blindly follow anyone, even Pastor John, while I believe he is a man of God, sadly he makes critical mistake! Be a bereans and search the scripture daily whether those things he preached is according to scripture, if they are follow, otherwise, you need to bring it up to him and ask him questions until you are clear. Truth will be refined in the fire of questions, while lies and falsehood will be burnt under the intense heat of questioning. For example, if God send the terrorists in 911, and actively brought it (the atrocities committed on Sept 11) to pass, then God is no difference from Satan, God is the author of sin. That can never be, it is obviously a wrong interpretation! As I told you above, the key to knowledge is "truth will always sanctity lives! "
This can ONLY be fulfilled with ISRAEL back in the land in UNBELIEF!! Zechariah 12:7-10 KJV - The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah. In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Piper is blind leading the blind.
True, the Lord God made covenants with the bible patriarchs such as the Davidic covenant which is a non conditional one not based upon their obedience.
As Christians let us acknowledge that innocent people including women and children on both sides have lost their lives in this conflict, let us pray for the peace and salvation of both the Jewish and Palestinian people and let us pray for a peaceful resolution to this conflict.
I needed this insight today, thank you. I’m praying for community and peace amongst all in the region. We could also apply this to ourselves in the United States as well. We are no longer a nation of God if we ever were to begin with.
We worship the God of Israel through the Jewish messiah. For someone from the reformed camp who holds a view of sovereignty the way he does, it is remarkable that he fails to see that it is God orchestrating the events in the middle east. These events forecast the soon return of Jesus. Anyone failing to see this has a lack of oil in their lamp.
How in the world can you say that Israel does not have a divine right to the land of Israel. What did God tell Abraham? What Bible are you reading? God made an everlasting covenant w/ Israel and the Jews that it would be their land. I guanantee you the Jews will rule in that land forever and Jerusalem will be their capital. God does it for his name sake not Israels. Ezekiel 36:22-24.
You are misunderstanding, those that believe in The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and call him savior and King are promised everlasting life. That new covenant salvation is first for the Jew and then for the Gentile Romans 1:16. Israel as it stands as a nation in the Middle East, is not part of that covenant. Only those that believe in Christ are promised that salvation. Christ believing Jews are part of the new covenant, not the entirety of the nation of the Israel in our present.
@@Swordbringer Ok, I totally get what you are saying and I believe your statement is true regarding salvation. But, understand one thing. The nation of Isreal, belongs to the Jews and no one else. The capital city of Jesusalem belongs to the Jews/Israel, not to anyone else. When JP says that the palestinians have just as much as a right to the land as Israel does is nothing but a lie from the pit of hell. If you don't believe that modern day Israel are Gods chosen people then I really don't have much to say to you. Read Revelation and tell me who the 144K are? But, if you don't believe in a literal fulfillment of prophecy then it doesn't really matter what I say. Read Revelation, read Daniel, understand the OT and believe it. When one of your children go astray for a while does not mean they are no longer your child. Israel has had their eyes blinded until the fulfillment of the gentiles. Israel as a nation will come back to Christ but after much death and destruction. Is modern day Isreal doing what God called them to do, no. Will they yes. Be patient and believe every word that is written in the Bible. Stop listening and hanging on every word that JP says. He is wrong about Israel and the Jews. JP also just told christian not to vote in the last Presendital election. I tell you my friend that is pure evil. Not to vote to save a childs life is evil, and what JP was telling people to do is pure evil. God gave him a platfrom and God expects it to be used for HIS glory.
@@tudfrey if you read revelations, only the New Jerusalem is what is promised at the end of Revelations. The Israel that the book refers to is Gods chosen people; the bride of Christ; the church. Only those that believe in Christ will receive the fulfillment of his promises, first for the Jew and then for the Gentile. There are Christian believers in Israel and Palestine, their true home is like ours in America; the literal New Jerusalem city brought down from heaven. As for voting, the Bible does not mention anything about not voting being a sin. It only mentions following the laws of the land and being a representative of Christ. Voting is a right given to us by the amendments of the United States Constitution, we as Americans don’t have to vote. And even if we are to vote, has America proven itself to be worthy of obedience? Certainly not! In fact, the Bible shows us time and time again, how much God despises the actions of such nations who get too arrogant. Hence the imagery of Babylon in the Old Testament . America is that modern day Babylon based on the fruits it has taken. It is not up to us to change policies by arguing with people, that’s not part of the scriptures. Paul says it’s better to be wronged than to try and be right in 1 Corinthians 6. We are called to be a people of prayer and a royal priesthood, not politicians. I tell you, repent of this nonsense and look to Christ. Read your Bible and look towards emanating the fruit of the spirit in Galatians. Putting on the armor of God in Ephesians. And humble yourself lest you be “least in heaven” for promoting the wrong ideas. (Matthew 5:19)
@@Swordbringer So by your thought process Daniel was completly in the wrong. Paul should not have influenced kings and queens. Jesus should not have said anything to the rulers. If you think christians don't have a part in politics you will get what you deserve. God absolutely wants people in government. If not guess who gets to make all the rules. Your thought pattern is right in line w/ JP and I would not expect anything less. You need to read and think and pray on your own. Last but not least there is no book in the Bible called RevelationS. Have you ever opened the Bible and read cover to cover? Do you even look at the names of the books or do you just pick out passages that suit your fancy? You people from JP's skruel amaze me. One of these days you will see the light. God Bless,
@@tudfrey clearly the issue is whether or not a Christian should be devoted to a nation that is anti-Christ. And clearly the answer should be no. And there is a book in the Bible called revelations. It is the revelation of John, which describes the end of days and the promise of Jesus. If you don’t know about revelations, I urge you to read it. There you will learn of all that is to come, and all that is to perish. For if you are not completely for Him, you are against Him.
Even if Israel had not broken the covenant, it still wouldn’t be right for them to try and remove Palestinians out of the land would it? As I don’t feel God gives even us ‘his people’ a blessing/something for us to hoard and boast, he’s still want us to share it in his love no? So wouldn’t it be right to pray for Palestine because atm they are currently the ones being forced out and less able to defend themselves. As I feel which shouldn’t take sides but whoever is being oppressed (cannot defend themselves to the same level as the other group) we should also be praying for their freedom? What are your thoughts?
This is incorrect and unbiblical. Israel is still God’s people and his convent to them will be unbroken. Satan is working through Hamas and the Islamic world to destroy Israel and Jerusalem.
@@StoneingtonWhat she saying is that those who are calling themselves Jews and are not (Rev 2;9, Rev 3:9), but are of the synagogue of Satan. She is also saying that the Holy Land, true Jerusalem is not where they say it is...........
@@Stoneington 1. Did you delete your original comment. 2. I was just rephrasing the OPs statement since you seemed not to understand what she was saying based on your comment that I can no longer see.
That, was brilliant. I don't always agree with John Piper (but I respect him always and see him as a true brother in the faith) this however opened my eyes. I am reminded of the Commander of the LORD'S army with His drawn sword in the book of Joshua when asked whose side He was on said neither. Joshua 5 I think.
Romans 11:24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.
‘mErCy On IsRaEl’ BRO FROM WHAT? CHILDREN WITH ROCKS? ALSO IM PRETTY SURE CHRIST WOULD’VE BEEN WITH PALESTINE 😂 (no but fr stop this they stole palestine aka our land and started crying that WE took it?)
This touches on a problem that is yet more complex. Pastor John’s answer years ago is still pertinent. But the persecution of Christians is a worldwide happening in lands such as Eritrea, for example. The movement of the Holy Spirit carrying on the work of Jesus in the church seems critical to me. The church is way too divided. We must come together as Christians and let the Holy Spirit lead, breaking down our preconceptions. Ps 85:10 (NKJ)
I say to all of you, pastors included..... Go to God for understanding and knowledge and stop seeking man's opinion. The only opinion that matters is God's..... Take the time to seek his face for all things so that you may not be led a stray. Only what God says matters. Stay Blessed and keep praying.
What does the God of Jacob is our fortress mean? Psalm 46 begins with the words: “The Lord is my refuge and strength, a very present help in time of trouble. Therefore we will not fear, though the earth gives way … The Lord of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our fortress.” This means that you and I can stop fighting in our own strength and rest in Him.
“Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God. What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God? By no means! Let God be true though every one were a liar, as it is written, “That you may be justified in your words, and prevail when you are judged.”” Romans 3:1-4 What if some are covenant breaking? I like what pastor John is saying but there is so much more nuances.
Piper, in light of the current events in the world that are depriving people of life and freedom, do you still maintain that we “spread falsehoods” if we assert that life and freedom are precious? Do you think it is legitimate if Israelis and Palestinians have a different view?
For us Gentile Christians, we should side with Jesus and focus on Him. And tell Israel to believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah and to stop the ritual killing of the Paschal lamb because Jesus already fulfilled that on the cross (Hebrews 7:27; 10:10).
They should expect great punishment for offering sacrifices to God when God made it well known that Jesus was HIS sacrifice for us.
AMEN AND AMEN!!!
Amen brother.
Im sorry, u should search on google 'messianic jews'.. there are already jews who believes in Jesus..and their comprehension toward bible is more deeper than us christians gentile. What Paul said is really happened now in israel and other nations.
But we should also mourn with people who are suffering, like the Palestinian this still stands today they are suffering beyond imagination as have the innocent lives of Isrealis.
This is so timely and much needed. Please continue to keep us grounded in the Word for Jesus’ sake and not our own understanding, Pastor John. You are a blessing and especially during times like these when so many can be lost. Thank you 🙏
Outside of that world view, of course we must pray fervently for the salvation of ALL of the souls in that region.
True but that was not the question he was answering.
@@bonnenaturel6688 he do you side for?
I side with all the innocent people on both sides who are suffering because of the madness of mostly fanatics and some politicians on both sides. By the way, I am a follower of Jesus Christ.
Thanks for an excellent answer Pastor John. Wish that the whole church and people in power/media who claim to be Christians would listen to this answer.
Finally, some truth. Thank you for this, I was praying last week to see this whole situation from a Godly perspective.
Too bad this is not the correct answer, unfortunately.
The promise of the land given to Abraham was an UNCONDITIONAL COVENANT (see Gen. 15). In other words, it was a categorical promise conditioned only by one party - God - who alone walked between the sacrifice as Abraham was sleeping.
We are saved by the righteousness of God, that is, by his mercy and love given in Messiah, and not by our own abilities to keep covenant with God, for faith itself is a gift, not a work that justifies us. We are dead in sin and only a miracle of God saves us. Full stop.
@navis5284 thank you. People have Piper as a theologian. He doesn't understand the Bible.
Ah yes. I knew there was a reason my heart was so disturbed. Excellent commentary on how BOTH sides are in need of the Savior. Amen
Thank you for this. And I agree. We must pray for everyone. Politics should not form a basis of sides. Everyone deserves His mercy and grace and we must pray that everyone one day acknowledges Jesus.
I bet this is getting more views recently. It shows that God is using your ministry and has a plan for you with this.
thankyou for reminding us of salvation in Jesus only..its easy to get sidetracked..
"Covenant breaking forfeits covenant previleges" powerful!
I wondered about that comment. Does covenant breaking mean that God isn't going to be faithful to his covenant promises? certainly, once a covenant stipulations are broken, sanctions are permitted under the covenant agreement. However, GOD KEEPS, what we fail to keep. This does not mean that God doesn't send adversaries to punish Israel. This does not mean that God does not send diaspora to his people. However, it also doesn't mean that God won't send them back to that same land (1948), and allow for a seemingly endless infighting with the people in that region for their rejection of his Son.
Remember there was always a REQUIREMENT. OBEY and inherit the land.@@HopeSmyrna
Covenant = Agreement .
2 sides to fulfill to have the full benefits come into fruition
God is faithful.
He will restore but only once repentance is done.
@@tentmaker2254 They've done that. Many are becoming born again. Lots of Jews are finding Christ here in the End Times. More now than any other time in history. The Jews are also returning home. They do not want to live in America anymore. Are they perfect? No. But neither are we. So yes, they are obeying God. Obey and inherit the land is a requirement correct? Well, they're doing that. Could they do it a little better? Perhaps, but the Jews have shortcomings just like the gentiles.
I would even argue, they could have done it a little sooner too. But that is on God's timing also. Will every Jew accept Christ and obey God perfectly? I highly doubt it. But more of them will as the End Times progress.
Thanks for bringing us back to the Center John Piper. We all have a tendency to forget who we're following. We all have the tendency to want to make a secular decision based on who's right and who's wrong depending on who's committing worse atrocities at the moment.
This is spot on! Ive been thinking how in the past I would usually just focus (like most Christians) on how Israel has the Biblical right to the land, and Hamas among others wants to exterminate them. But since being there, meeting and speaking with them on both sides, most Israelis and Palestinians just want to live their lives and feed their families. Jesus died for both sides and we shouldn't be so focused on who gets the land that'll be replaced with the new Jerusalem anyway. Getting them in there should be our focus.
Today's culture of us-vs-them is so easy to fall into, especially with the media. This reminds me of Joshua chapter 5: "Who's side are you on?..." "Neither..."
As a Christian. Christians that support Palestine need to turn in their Jesus Christ badge they are nothing about god not the Bible.
@@noahremnek3615 I dont support Hamas but I do know that Jesus would show compassion to the innocent families on both sides stuck in the crossfire.
@@QarreoMusic The Palestinian Christian population has declined since 1948. Israel is the only country in Middle East with a growing Christian population. Also if god hated Esau for giving his birthright how much modern day Israel does god hate because they are giving away that land.
@@noahremnek3615 brother, Good does not hate Israel he died for them too. They are "blinded in part, until the fullness of the gentiles come in" and will then recognize their messiah Jesus. Good is not finished with Israel nor does he hate them.
Check out Romans 11 and Zechariah 2 for references brother. Peace
Amen
Such a wise, Christ-centered answer!
Religion is the problem.
This still stands today.
Yes I looked this up in 2021
For me Israel today is different from ancient times because most people from Israel these daysare Jewish and Muslims. We shouldnt side with both
There are condional and unconditional parts of the covenants of God with Israel. Piper fails to recognize this and the land is not conditional. Jer. 30:3, Gen. 12:3
@@sonlightmusic the land was given unconditionally to God's chosen people, but them being his chosen people was conditional on them keeping his commandments. When Jesus came and a new covenant was established, the Jews who didn't believe were in violation of this covenant, thus making them no longer his chosen people, and no longer the rightful heirs of the land. It seems the only reason the Jewish people have held the land is because of the few faithful that live there that believe in Jesus. (Galatians 3:28-29) The old promise was not abolished (Galatians 3:17-18), and never will be, but the promise applies to those who serve God, not one people of a certain heritage, but all who call upon the name Jesus.
@@EndureTyrant Roman's 11:25
We need to stop picking sides. It's not about extremes or picking sides.
Palestine never existed
If we “stop picking sides” then we need to stop funding Is. and sending weapons for gncd.
Praise our Lord and King above for this clear teaching.
Jesus said: love your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your minds. And secondly, we should love our neighbour as ourselves.
The problem is that Israelis are not Israelites. And the Palestinians were the majority in the land when zionists pushed for mass emigration to Palestine. My point: this situation was created by Britain, and the UN.
But no innocent ppl need to die, on both sides😢
I stand with the Lord God, Jesus and His family wherever they are!
Yes! When I pondered upon this thought that Jesus Christ died for everyone (all ethnicity) not just Jews/ Israelites, it made me pray a different prayer. How can I hate these people when God loved them in the very first place! It must have broken God's heart to see this human slaughter. And if I am in Christ I am not here to choose/judge but to love.
God is impassible. His heart doesn't get broken. He is a rock and a refuge. He couldn't really be either if He suffered like we do.
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@@reformedwretch2071 Jesus is our climax example that God is a God of compassion, who is willing to SUFFER with, for, and even at the hands of His creation. You might ask “what kind of a God is that” and I would say, “one worth devoting yourself to completely.”
Wait till they come for u.
I will choose what side of this war I see is right and follow Jesus.
So relevant for today. Such Godly wisdom.
This perspective is the most helpful and Christ-filled I’ve heard, going against the division of the secular world.
5 years later and We are still talking about this and because of what's going on recently. Gods word is true. The Bible is true. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light
Amén 🙏🏽💯
Exactly and Amen 🙏
_The first to plead his case seems right, until another comes and examines him._ *Proverbs **18:17*
I’m hoping that in this day and age, especially, that each of us will continue to dive deep into the word and let it sink in our hearts, so that we can become as good of resources as John do you have the time to discussions with those around, especially our friends and family
I forgot this video was 5 years old listening to it. Very relevant.
Well balanced. No longer just about ethincity. Its about faith...
The abrahamic covenant is:
1) unconditional (God will accomplish it) this type of covenant is not dependent on Israel's faithfulness
2) it's eternal - it has not ended
3) it is literal with actual boundaries defined by God - Gen 15
So the land is Israel's
Honest question. How is their possession of the land unconditional if they’ve been removed from the land before for lack of faithfulness in scripture?
@@JordanAnthonySmith first off know that I'm not taking side, but in the bible if Israel disobey they're disband to foreigner countries but if they do repent they will be gather back to their home . But I do not say I side with their government whose is a no god-fearing government so their actions can't be join with God but it's true they always go back to their land after repenting
The Land is Israel’s from Abraham to when Jesus comes / REGARDLESS
Exactly
Exactly 💯
A timeless message it seems, released 5 years ago, yet perfectly applicable to today 10/14/2023, and based on a holistic view of Scripture! Lots of voices out there, but it's wise to closely check the content before believing the messengers, most of whom are going straight to end times prophecy rather than a balanced approach that considers the Bible's full message. It's the incredibly sordid history of mankind's (except for a few bright spots) rejection of God's message to mankind at many times and in various ways. Now God has spoken through His Son, offering amazing grace, and still He is largely rejected or ignored. A time is coming when that offer ends, replaced by judgment and restoration, when Christ Jesus reigns with true peace and righteousness. Thank you Pastor Piper!
So much wisdom. God bless you Pastor John
Brilliant, Godly explanation. Praise God for this wisdom.
Isn’t it! I love him ❤
John you said "a non covenant keeping people does not have the divine right to hold the land of promise which was given by covenant." But the punishment for disobedience to the "Land Covenant" or "Palestinian Covenant" is not that they would lose their right to the land but that they would lose blessing. They would be dispersed and eventually regathered.
Spot on. Well said, you should be the one answering this question and not Piper.
@@airikdavids Thank you! That's kind. I have a channel where I deal with several issues. It's a little new, but we have several videos. It's a channel with my friend called "Josh and Dan's Bible Studies". I'm Josh. ☺️
@ Yes, Piper is a premillennialist and holds a post tribulational view of the rapture. I myself am also a pre-mil, but a pre-trib, I don't see how any of it has to do with the video.
@@hebraist yes I can see that, having a premillennial view completely distorts how one reads the Bible, surely you understand this as you’re a Bible teacher yes ?
They were already regathered after 70 years of Babylonian captivity. During the Passion Week Jesus told the Jewish leaders, "the kingdom of God is taken away from you and given to a nation bearing the fruit thereof" (I Peter 2:9). That nation is the church consisting of ethnic Jews and gentiles, according to I Peter 2:9. I Peter 2:9 is a direct quote from Exodus 19:6, indicating that the church has replaced the NATION of Israel in the New Testament era. The NATION of Israel no longer has any special place in God's plan. He divorced and burned and stoned the nation in 70 a.d. and fulfills his promise by including individual ethnic Jews in the church.
A non covenant keeping people may not eat of the good of the land. But they do not lose the land! This is important as God's punishment for Israel as dictated in scripture never included them losing the land God gave them. They were driven out but scripture foretells they'd be gathered back together.
In addition, the mere fact that the scripture tells of "an hardening upon Israel" in the new testament reveals that the Lord still deals with Israel as a people and is committed to their restoration.
its very sad, you need to go there and meet the people from both sides to try get an idea. i went with an open mind, and left with the same mind. its an awful situation...with many peace loving people on both sides who just want normal lives.
Solve the problem at all cost but not at the cost of Human lives and or the lives of innocents. Violence breeds violence!
Speak to Palestinians and they will tell you how their corrupt leaders are their only problem.
Israel is not the problem.
@@morehn that’s not true, I know many Palestinians inside and outside of the country.
@@amandah1875 they're lying to you
@@morehn no darling, my husband is from Gaza so I know very well wha is going on there. Nice try though.
Exactly. Things will be mended when Jesus returns🥰
Pastor Piper’s mistake here is not understanding the unconditional covenant God made with Abraham regarding the land during the “covenant of the parts” (see Gen. 15).
The apostle Paul referred to the earlier-than-Sinai covenant to make the point that he was not anti-Torah since the promise of the gospel was rooted in the promise given to Abraham 400 years before the law was given at Sinai. Grace is based on God’s promise, not the works of righteousness that would warrant God’s blessing. Prayerfully re-read Jeremiah 31:31-38, the ONLY place in the Old Testament that defines the New Covenant of Messiah and then ask yourself if the LORD has forsaken the Jewish people. Then re-read John 4:22.
May the Lord God of Israel give you wisdom as you seek the truth.
And the persecution of the indigenous Christians living in the land? And what of the Babylonian and Assyrian dispersements?
the real israel is the church
Inherit land in Israel? Why? Abraham was seeking a heavenly city, not real estate in the East. The Israel of God are those in Messiah. Jew and Gentile doesn't exist. A remnant of ethnic Israel will be saved, but that is not the people there since 1948. The ethnic Israel matters not. They need Christ and are lost in sin until then. The church is Israel. The physical land promises were fulfilled during the reign of Solomon you can see this in First Kings 4:20 through 25 and second chronicles 9:26 states that all the physical promises were fulfilled.
Finally, someone who actually gets it.
I support both Israeli Christians and Palestiniane Christians they both face persecution in their communities
Lmfao, whether one is Christian or not has nothing to do with one's human rights
In today's ungodly driven world, human rights appear to be subjective. As Christians the very eldest we can do is support the fellowship of Christ followers everywhere@@aaabbb-py5xd
@@aaabbb-py5xd Who says this video talks about human rights? 🤣🙄😒 if you already watched this video or not, you didn't even understood what Pastor Piper is talking about, it's all about Jesus! 🙄🤷♂️🤦♂️
@@sonsofthunder1936 I agree. I don't understand your strenuous attempt to pivot into Santa Clause by way of emojis. Do give greetings for me to your outta this world (and time) Santa Clause who resides in a philosophical gap specifically designed to render meaningless concepts unassailable, that is, by way of their very meaninglessness. Lol, no wonder you tried emojis; you're almost on par with your theologians
@@aaabbb-py5xd What does this topic or any of our conversation has to do with santa claus anyway? 🤣🤣 I don't celebrate christmas or any other pagan holiday rituals either since after I acknowledge the Bible and study it as the source of truth. Bruh, your off the topic, stop wasting those fingers of yours. 🙄😒🤷♂️🤦♂️
Absolutely right. Also Bible is talking about Biblical Israel not political Israel. The British controlled Palestine until Israel, in the years following the end of World War II, became an independent state in 1947
I have been saying this so much recently but feel like I’m going crazy with all the people who disagree with me.
@K_A86 Can you expand at all, I am not sure how to separate the 2. Do you think prophesy is being fulfilled in Isreal that they wouldcreturn to the land or will that take place later?
Those who quote Paul on the remnant Israel, fail to quote his further words, that he is also an Israelite saved by grace. It's either a real believing remnant, or an illusory, non-existing one.
How in the world does piper preach this stuff, does he even read the Bible?
Well said
@Beren c there were IFs there, IF they would abide in the covenant, if they would keep His commandments. Otherwise they would be cast away - it was predicted too.
@Beren cone of the the overarching themes of the New Testament is that God is NOT a respecter of a person's background (specifically referencing Jews and Greeks) and that we are all one under Christ.
The promises to Abraham? Know you not that if you are Christs, then you are Abrahams seed, and the heirs according to the promises God made to him? (Gal 3:16-29)
Open your eyes - It is election by GRACE not by RACE
@Beren c LOL nice straw man you built up and destroyed. God did not change, more was revealed. They looked through a glass darkly in the time of the law and the prophets. The whole OT was but a shadow of the greatness to come.
You bet your bottom dollar that a new and better testament was revealed in Christ.
"But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises."
Hebrews 8:6
The physical city of Jerusalem on earth is no longer of importance...the spiritual Jerusalem is what matters
“But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering,”
Hebrews 12:22 ESV
Um have read the Revelation? Or Romans 11? How about Zechariah 12-14? How about Joel 3:2? Go listen to someone that knows gospel. Piper preaches a false gospel of works so of course he will do the antichrist’s bidding by hating Israel. Very subtly but anti Semitic never the less.
@@Tdizzle7775 In 70ad the fullness of the gentiles came in and Israel was no longer blind. The genealogies were destroyed so that none could make a claim by natural birth. Have you read the two chapters before 11 in Romans or all of Galatians. Galatians 4:26 "the Jerusalem above is free and the mother of us all." The OT prophets spoke to the jews of being scattered yet the Lord would bring them back. Jesus never said they would come back as a nation after their destruction. Peter warned them in His epistle that the elements would melt with a fervent heat and he spoke of the OT temple laver, candlestick, etc. He was not talking about oxygen and hydrogen
This is unbiblical. Jerusalem is still of utmost importance and is still the holy city of God.
But do you not believe Jesus Christ is going to return? It is clear from numerous scriptures that He will return to Jerusalem, so I find it strange for a Christian to dismiss this city that God speaks about hundreds of times, weeps over, loves deeply. It is so contested now, and throughout the centuries, precisely because of its significance.
God has brought them back to their land in unbelief. Paul says “Has God rejected his people? God forbid!” The day is coming when all Israel will be saved. The land belongs to Israel in preparation of Messiah’s return on that day when the dry bones will come alive spiritually, and the boundaries of the land will be more than a sliver.
Free Palestine
@thedrinkinggamemaker9749
Why ? Perhaps the cages should be larger and electrified, after all that's how you treat animals.
Jesus didn’t die to bring peace to this world. He died to save us from it.
He didn't even die...how bout that
@@moffe5241 it's mentioned in the old testament bible that a mighty prophet of Allah would come to rule the nations. Al Maseh ..his journey is paused.
For those who intended to take him out in order to destroy God's plan.
Too bad.
N He is NOT God..for God is not a man..dont u read your bible
N He has a God..God doesn't have a God.
God is 1 without partners..go READ your commandments
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Worship the 1 who sent Issa PBUH (remember no J in Hebrew or Aramaic) so why twist a man's real name.
N pay attention to his quoted words..those Romans sure did wrote falsehood against him.
"I of by myself do nothing"
No God would ever utter THAT...but a man aware of how his WORDS will be twisted to replace him for the western Antichrist Dajjal did.
Rome n since Britain want the seat of Al Maseh....thus, the entire world charade.
Question...y not antiMoses, or antiMuhammed...y Antichrist?
@@latishamalika1 get outta here with you’re mumbo jumbo, allah is the moon God the one and only true God is Yahweh
If Jesus died for your sins does that mean you can commit sins and you're forgiven? “Jesus died for our sins” means exactly that to me or am I missing something?
@@latishamalika1 how can a people lose they're free pass to heaven if they believe for a second Jesus isn't dead. They'll have to undo all their sins, as they say “Jesus died for our sins”... Nice guy.
So the moment we break our side of the bargain God wil also break his covenant. It cannot be. It said even when we are unfaithful He is faithful.
Piper is a false teacher. th-cam.com/video/8eFyjB1KnBU/w-d-xo.html
He is faithful, but perhaps this means that as long as we don't uphold our end, He doesn't END the covenant. We don't have to ask for a new covenant each time, he allows to continues the old one.
If it were the way you say it is,
then isreal would have never been sent to Babylon and we wouldn't have the book of Daniel.
Israel was unfaithful in the OT, so God denied them their land, for a period of time.
I hope this was helpful is some way,
Cheers 👍
No its not the moment, if so God would have left David the moment he sinned. Its the overall actions and continuous behavior that determines the outcome. You do realize God did eventually leave from Israel when Solomons son continued to defy Him. It is when they repented that God came back.
If we are continually unfaithful in our sins God cannot honor that behavior. He is merciful and just. Not just merciful and not just just.
I don't think pastor John said that God broke His covenant, he said the people of Israel (as a whole) have not honoured their end of the bargain. Therefore, they do not have immediate right to the benefits of the covenant (claiming the land as divine right). Think about Christ dying for us sinners; we surely have the blood of Jesus as The Authority against death BUT we are bound to death UNTIL we repent and confess the Lord and Saviour. God has faithfulness, grace & mercy for everyone who's WILLING to honour Him, along with His commandments.
Well balanced!
The question is, who is Israel according to Jesus?
Jesus told the scribes and pharisees that they were “sons of hell!”
He said “Your father is the devil!”
We act as if we know who “Israel” is.
We can’t!
It’s not a group but an individual salvation!
Same with Christians.
They also said to The Lord,“But we are children of Abraham!”
Jesus said “if Abraham was your father, you would believe me !”
Then Jesus sort of mocked them saying “ I can make children of Abraham out of these stones.”
The just shall live by faith. Not lineage!
“But what about the scripture that says all Israel will be saved?
Again. Who is Israel?
That takes study and discernment.
Just because they were driven out of the land does not mean that the land isn't theirs anymore. They were being punished for a time. The Land is still theirs and will always be theres. When you punish your kids were they no longer Pipers and you kicked them out. I don't think so.
@prathik Guess what there is no such thing as a Palestinanian.
The Israelites are still being punished today
i think you're right, but because of a different type of reasoning
Driven out of the land in addition to abandoning it. And in addition to God's punishment and then the NEW covenant with the Gentiles.
If memory serves me correctly, John Piper once said he does not think it is justified to kill an intruder even if he knows that his wife would be raped and his children are to be killed. I must assume that he then would think that Israel can't justifiably kill the "people" that cut babies out of their living mothers and de-capitated the baby, tortured then killed the elderly and women and children. I would love to know exactly what Mr. Piper thinks Israel should do regarding the unprovoked butchery of its citizens? If I have misrepresented any factual information above please correct my errors.
John Piper is off his mind.
This has been proven false and Israel has been proven to have slaughtered Palestinian babies and raped women. This on video, I watched it, it’s horrific and they were laughing.
Please be careful as to not just see one side of the story.
There is a lot of manipulation regarding this topic.
I don’t support children of the devil . I support living in Peace for everyone and justice for evil doers
WRONG! Gen 13:15: "for all the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your descendants forever." There are no conditions, such as obedience, on this promise. Also see Gen 17:8, 28:13, 35:12, 48:4, Dt 4:40. These verses all clearly show that God gave the land as an everlasting possession, for all time, to the sons of Jacob. There were no conditions on this promise. God does not and will not ever revoke any of His promises. Note that God knew all of the future disobedience of Israel when He made these promises. There were conditions on other things, but never on the land. One day in the future God will cause Israel to come to Jesus and be saved (Romans 11:26-29).
Very well explained. This removed the last of my residual uncertainty.
Psalm 83 & Ezekiel 37 are worth reading! Allan M
great answer. i was really frustrated with this issue.May God protect the innocent people....
God has made both conditional and unconditional covenants with His people. God's promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was unilateral - unconditional. Because of sin God sent them into exile with the unconditional promise to bring them back from the four corners. God did not demand repentance first before they could return, but He would deal with them in the land He promised.
God bless you for saying this...
This is spot on.
Exactly
Thank You Pastor Piper for revealing the truth and the simplicity of this complicated matter in Israel. Lord may every person inhabiting the Holy Land turn to the Messiah Jesus and witness the peace in Israel that will come under His reign.
Amen and Amen 🙏🏾
I agree with you, pastor John. This needs to be heard these days.
Thank you Pastor John P.
This is what the Sovereign Lord says
Isa: 5:
He who Hates me Hates
My Farther as well
John:15: 23.
In Jesus name.
Psalm 81:10-16
Amen
Hello friend, if you're a calvinist than please don't blame Israel for their unbelief, stiff neckedness, idolatry, blasphemy and any other vile sin they have committed in their history or the present for that matter!
You know why because as a consistent calvinist (like Piper), who have to believe God decreed them to do it, like ALL OTHER EVIL!
As I'm not I think this is quite easy to handle without demonising our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
I don't disagree with John 15.23 neither am I saying they cannot do or say evil. The Apostle Paul concludes all have sinned and Jew and Gentile sin alike:
Romans 3:9 KJV - What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Where they fell short God punished them. In fact scripture says they received double for their transgression.
Isaiah 54:8-10 KJV - In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.
But it was never permanent and God brought them back when they repented and because of their promise to Abraham and the land.
(The land promise was unconditional not based on Israel morality but God's faithfulness and promise to Abraham.
Genesis 15:12 KJV - And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
Genesis 15:17 KJV - And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
That's way God ONLY passed through the animals, it was based on God's faithfulness not on Israel's faithfulness.
Israel are in UNBELIEF & IN THE LAND fulfilling Zech 12 etc
Zechariah 12:7-10 KJV - The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
@@opindras.bangerh129 My friend in a few words what is your point?
@@Moderador-bo9px Hello I thought I was speaking or writing Chinese for a minute?
How about you spend 2mins reading my simple but detailed response (time and space being our enemy).
I'll start you of...
The post is in rejection of calvinism and replacement theology (which I think you are, apologies if not).
@@opindras.bangerh129 Sorry my brother I unintentionally missed your overall point, I understand it now, I am a non-denominational Christian.
God is not a covenant breaker! This is so wrong. The Jews returned as in Ezekiel dry bones prophesy, if they were not in the land as we reach the tribulation how would Ezekiel 38 play out? Is any land not rebellious to God?
Ezekiel 36 explains that the Lord will bring the people of Israel who are scattered, back into the Land of Israel in a state of disobedience *for the sake of His holy name. *. It is for His namesake that he acts, and he acts by bringing them into the land. Go read it. Then he will give them a heart of flesh and put a new spirit in them (language of the Jeremiah 31 New Covenant). He brings them back even in disobedience because He is a God of covenant, and the covenant that He formed with Abraham is unilateral, unconditional, and everlasting. He fulfilled both sides of the agreement in Genesis 15. Romans 11:27-28 affirms that the gifts and calling of God to the Jewish people are irrevocable. We have seen this in process of fulfillment in the 20th Century as the Jewish people returned to Israel in unbelief. The greatest revival in the Jewish people that we have seen since the first century coinciding with the reunification of Jerusalem in 1967. To God be the Glory that He keeps his promises.
The methods used in “bringing the jws back,” were sinful, cvtng, tft,mrdr, lyng. So you think God did it? You think God sins?
God gave them the land from Lebanon to Egypt? Really it the entire Middle East? Or Sinai?
Think about it!! You will know this a cartoonish episode.
@ : You can’t reason with those who have been indoctrinated into bad Bible interpretation.
It's brilliant. Thank you so much Pastor for giving us a truly biblical understanding on this matter.
Too bad it's not Biblical.
@@tudfrey too bad you’re lost
@@nanno307 Too bad you don't read the whole Bible and believe what God actually says instead of listening to a woke pastor who hates Jews.
@@tudfrey Too bad all you said is not true. 🥱
@@nanno307 Don't believe me, it's still true. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it's false. I hope you keep studying.
Side with Christ. All we (includes Israelis and Palestinians) like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all (Isaiah 53:6).
Muslims have not gone astray. They pray just as Jesus did, on his knees and the women cover like mother Mary did. Islam is the continuation of the three religions. It’s all one.
@@amandah1875 it's not about us, nor the "religions" we come up with. Christ is the ONLY ONE who came in the form of human flesh, yet without sin, who is also fully God. This is why He said "FOLLOW ME". EVERYONE ELSE falls in the "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" category.
@@waynejeez5620 Palestinians are very pure hearted people so I do believe they are following the examples of ALL the prophets, including Jesus. You would have to have been there or met the people who grew up there to know what I’m talking about. The so called “Christian” countries in the West have very much strayed more than they have.
@@amandah1875 you're missing the point, which is easy for any of us to do when it comes to Christ. Christ is the ONLY ONE who has come in the form of human flesh, yet without sin, who is also fully God. This is why He said "FOLLOW ME". Even though man has his own way of thinking; and has his own perspectives, feelings, knowledge and wisdom, the Lord doesn't use ANY OF THAT to establish the order in which we are to live. We are to now RESPOND to that order that has ALREADY been established by Christ. The Lord wants to give us rest and peace, and man's "ability" to "create religions" NEVER achieves what only Christ can.
@Mini Kobe no one but Christ? So what about all the prophets before him, they were also the best in God's eyes.
I love the way Piper focuses first on praying for salvation of Jews and Palestinians. The holy feasts point to Christ the Messiah, the fulfillment of all the law and the Jewish faith. I would add that after this, there is some subtlety we could examine such as Genesis 12:3, and reflect on what this could mean today, but I think Piper responded very thoughtfully and he addresses mankind's greatest need--the gospel of Jesus Christ.
P.S. Pastor John, please make an updated response to this and take more time to go over this important subject and include more scripture references.
I’ve been coming to the Truth now I won’t listen to any pastor who supports this Iserial and the third temple
We are the temple friend. Read Acts 15:1-18. Note James summing up. Vs 13-18. The people who believe in a literal future temple in Israel quote the old testament. But you won't find the Lord are any of His apostles throughout the new testament teaching such. Again ponder Acts 15 again. Note again what James says about the future temple by all the old testament prophets, Acts 15:15. Then Acts 15:16-17. Their fulfillment was speaking of us the church. It's was a spiritual fulfillment. The church. Us. Throughout the epistles we are called the temple, building, .1st Corinthians 3:16-17. Our individual body. 2sd Corinthians 6:16. Speaking of the whole body of believers, the church. Ephesians 2:19-22. Us again, the church. Hebrews 12:22-24. Us again, the heavenly Jerusalem. As God says in His Word. We are is temple prophesied by all the prophet's in the old testament. Acts 15:15, through 16-17. Praise the Lord.
That's ok you have every right to be WRONG. Israel exist because God said they would. Do some home work. Or you could just chose to be lazy and believe the lies. It's your choice. Good luck w/ that.
Don't take sides. God loves all people no matter who you are or what nationality you are.
Exactly and Amen 🙏
God may not take sides but I know who is in the right jere and it is not Palestine
Ima take sides regardless.
Thank you for highlighting that there is nuance in this conflict! Conflict is never black and white.
THANK YOU FOR CLEARITY
Regardless of which side your on or your biblical interpretation ,it shouldn't give the Isreali soldiers license to shoot to kill indiscriminately unarmed people .
Let me give you a lesson on this. The Palastines hide behind women and children. When Israel has identified a target they literally call the building and tell them they are going to bomb it. They give the people who want to leave time to get out. They give everyone fair warning that it will be destroyed. If you chose to stay then you will die. Sorry for your bad decision. If you think for one second God will restore Palastine you are wrong. Do people in the IDF make wrong decisions and kill the wrong person. Yes, but what are those people doing in a war zone. If you don't want to get killed get out. Its that simple.
@@tudfrey
Does that include paramedics shot in the back or children or people who are unarmed or young girls .
And where did you get that news from the Palestine Gazette? Please! How about the 750 rockets shot into Israel from the scum bags?
@@mulletheadbanger Stop listening to the liberal media. Give me one shed of proof.
USS liberty destroyed by Israel. Despite being clearly identified by the pilots on the radio recordings as an American ship with flag on the mast. Committing four war crimes in just a couple hours all while laughing about who would finish the ship off. All of this recorded. Sinking life boats, killing medics and using napalm on the decks of the ship while killing crew trying to send distress signals using unmarked blacked out jets.
Sorry but Israel isn't any less evil than its neighbors and supports sin all the same as Tel Aviv is capital for gay pride. Think of this for a minute. The word says that like in the days of noah so shall it be in the end times. A time when the whole earth was in rebelion against God with the exception of a shepard and his family who lived by faith.
Thank you for expressing this truth so clearly.
there is no palestine in the Bible so the use of that word is unBiblical ... Romans 1:16 says it all and addresses all people groups ... the Land Covenant is unconditional - Genesis 15 ... the Land Covenant is not based on Israel's obedience, Piper is wrong on this issue
Yes! Thank you, Pastor John. This is advice we as Believers can trust.
Excellent pastor John Piper. God has a plan for Israel, but the modern state of Israel is a not restored Messiah believing Israel, it is neither above nor below any other country.
What do you think the tribulation is for? It's when God deals w/ the Jews/Israel. You are so blinded if you don't think Israel and the Jews are God's chosen people, they are HIS chosen people FOREVER. They always have been and they always will be.
I have Jewish ancestory but this doesn't make me any more special then the next man who believes in Jesus Christ. You have to accept Jesus Christ before you can ever see the light and the truth and to have eternal life through Christ the only way. There is no other way. A strip of land doesn't save you any more than cutting off your foreskin. Don't rely on dirt to save you but of the blood of the Lamb which is the whole point in Passover it's the blood of Jesus that saves us. The blood of the Lamb defeats death alone. I can only think that God would give this land back so that those who seek after such desires still to this day will reap what they sow as a judgement. And once again instead of having God and the temple that they wish to build they will worship the devil once again. The Third Temple will not be built with human hands but will be built perfect streets of gold by God himself. Did you not understand that Jesus went to go and prepare a place for you? What does any of this on earth have a value? he is preparing a place for you. We are not of this world my Christian brothers and sisters but we are merely ambassador's to the world. There will be a new Heaven and a new Earth.
@@siouxwarrior5396 I take it you don't believe in a literal Bible. There will be a third temple rebuild and it will be soon. Where do you think the anti-christ goes when he desecrates the Holy of Holies. To McDonalds? I am not worshiping the Jews, Israel or their land. I believe in a literal Bible. I believe when God said he makes an everlasting conenant w/ the Abraham and it will last forever that is exactly what He means. Forever. The tribulation is where God deals w/ the Jews. The church age will be over and a new dispensation will start. The only way to salvation is through Jesus and His blood. It is by Grace through Faith. Period. No other way.
@@tudfrey Anybody who believes that Jesus Is messiah becomes One of God’s Chosen people. All who have faith in Christ are God’s Chosen people. Not you’re race or ethnicity or skin colour. If a Jew doesn’t believe that Christ is messiah he will not be saved.
@@Doktoreee You are correct. But I am not talking about salvation. I am talking about God's chosen people group. That chosen people group is Israel. If you don't think God chose Israel then you need to go back and study the OT. The Church did not and will never replace Israel. Just so you are clean Jesus is a Jew. Jesus is returning to Israel, Jerusalem specifically. He will set up his earthly kingdom in Jerusalem. All the Apostles as Jews. Jesus came to the Jews. He did not preach to the gentiles he came to the Jews. Paul took the gospel to the gentiles. Israel belongs to the Jews and no one else. Stop listening to J. Piper and study for yourself and see what he Bible really has to say. Let the Bible interpert the Bible. Stop being a 5 pt. Calvinist and really study the the word of God.
(Sorry for the VERY, VERY long "comment". But I believe it NEEDS to be espoused)
Kind Sir John Piper...your Title is very important now..."Should We Side with Israel or Palestine"! I believe NO! Because BOTH Israel and Palestine; have denied God (in the "Flesh" to the Earth) in this...
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was within God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 And the Word was made Flesh (Jesus)*, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (And in this)...
1 Timothy 3:16 Without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the Flesh (Jesus), justified in the Holy Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
* Now the word Jesus; is an English language. But in Hebrew it's "Yeshua". And in Greek, it's "Iesus". But they are all "ONE". So God's Israelite. have dwindled down, to only ONE Tribe: "Judah" (Jews). And over 90% of them hate and/or deny Jesus. For 2,024 long yrs.
And over 90% satan god's Muslims, have said, "Jesus is only a Prophet"! And that's Blasphemy to God. So again, both nations are doing exactly; and what satan wants! So we should NOT Side, with them. Because, they are going to Hell. As satan will do in this...
Revelation 20:10 And the "Devil" that deceived them (All Non Non Born Again's)**; was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the "Beast" and the "False Prophet" (satan's "Fallen Angels") are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
End of, me case. So...
...In any case John Piper and Brethren, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!
** Those "Both", are NON Born Again's too! Just like any Atheist, ETC! In the eyes of Jesus! Amen!
It is Foolish to lash out it is wise to Apologise May Our Lord and Holy one of Israel draw all of us into the Mind of Christ and Teach all of us to know him and his truth God Bless you and Keep you in Jesus name Amen.
I have always loved listening to your sermons, Pastor John. One in particular, The Horn of Salvation" moved me deeply. , Today, we needed this guidance so much, as we are in anguish as to what is happening in the Israel and Palestine. Thank you for drawing our attention to what our response should be to this tragedy - response of God's Loving Compassion for All People In Christ and to live and pray accordingly.
You have just placed yourself at ENMITY with Christ: Genesis 12: And have called down a curse on yourself and your household by coming into agreement with this deceiver.So before you come to the defence of this man, you better verify the Scriptures for yourself, to show yourself approved onto God
I disagree, God time after time restores Israel despite their disobedience on the basis or his promises and mercy. Why this cannot continue despite their disobedience? God’s faithfulness and promises still hold and so they have a right to the land till this day.
AMEN. Anyone coming into agreement with this false teaching is calling the CURSE of God on their life from Genesis 12.
Cannot answer that question unlesz you understand Genesis 3:15 and that framework and how it relates to today and the parable of the wheat and tares, a further illustration of Gen 3:15. Am sure this pastor is ignorant to these dynamics.
Make no mistake, even though Israel times and again break the covenant, God has not forsaken them, and will never forsake them. This is the attribute of God we Christians rely on. If God will forsake His people whom He has chosen, what make you think God will not forsake you being a wild olive tree? (Romans 11:14-20) God will always keep His part of the covenant, the scripture tells us so. God is the one who brought Israeli back to the land of their ancestral. The prophetic clock is ticking again, those who rely solely on men to teach them instead of dwelling into the Word of God set themselves up for deception. Take heed, honor God by reading and searching into His Word.
Sweetie what's happening today is not God driven, it's mere atheist / agnostic " Jews" who are ursurping God's plan to redeem Jews and Gentiles to Israel once they accept Jesus. Do not mix things up because what you are speaking now is unbiblical.
Revelations 2:9
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
@@TruePathLiving Well you need to know your Bible. While I agree with you most of the Jews are atheist / agnostic; you need to know that God is with them,
Zechariah 2:8 “For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.”
Besides, if you are for the truth, you have to be with Israel, this will help you:
"Lies and deception glorified death; truth sanctify lives"
Seek the truth and you shall be blessed!
@@TruePathLiving And don't blindly follow anyone, even Pastor John, while I believe he is a man of God, sadly he makes critical mistake! Be a bereans and search the scripture daily whether those things he preached is according to scripture, if they are follow, otherwise, you need to bring it up to him and ask him questions until you are clear. Truth will be refined in the fire of questions, while lies and falsehood will be burnt under the intense heat of questioning. For example, if God send the terrorists in 911, and actively brought it (the atrocities committed on Sept 11) to pass, then God is no difference from Satan, God is the author of sin. That can never be, it is obviously a wrong interpretation! As I told you above, the key to knowledge is "truth will always sanctity lives! "
Christian's biggest weapon is a prayer. Christians should unite and pray for peace and salvation of people.
This can ONLY be fulfilled with ISRAEL back in the land in UNBELIEF!!
Zechariah 12:7-10 KJV - The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Piper is blind leading the blind.
True, the Lord God made covenants with the bible patriarchs such as the Davidic covenant which is a non conditional one not based upon their obedience.
As Christians let us acknowledge that innocent people including women and children on both sides have lost their lives in this conflict, let us pray for the peace and salvation of both the Jewish and Palestinian people and let us pray for a peaceful resolution to this conflict.
Best answer on this conflict i have ever heard! Hallelujah!
Well said Pastor John. Amen.
I needed this insight today, thank you. I’m praying for community and peace amongst all in the region. We could also apply this to ourselves in the United States as well. We are no longer a nation of God if we ever were to begin with.
Some covenant promises are unconditional.
We worship the God of Israel through the Jewish messiah. For someone from the reformed camp who holds a view of sovereignty the way he does, it is remarkable that he fails to see that it is God orchestrating the events in the middle east. These events forecast the soon return of Jesus. Anyone failing to see this has a lack of oil in their lamp.
I side with neither. Let's pray for both
How in the world can you say that Israel does not have a divine right to the land of Israel. What did God tell Abraham? What Bible are you reading? God made an everlasting covenant w/ Israel and the Jews that it would be their land. I guanantee you the Jews will rule in that land forever and Jerusalem will be their capital. God does it for his name sake not Israels. Ezekiel 36:22-24.
You are misunderstanding, those that believe in The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and call him savior and King are promised everlasting life. That new covenant salvation is first for the Jew and then for the Gentile Romans 1:16. Israel as it stands as a nation in the Middle East, is not part of that covenant. Only those that believe in Christ are promised that salvation. Christ believing Jews are part of the new covenant, not the entirety of the nation of the Israel in our present.
@@Swordbringer Ok, I totally get what you are saying and I believe your statement is true regarding salvation. But, understand one thing. The nation of Isreal, belongs to the Jews and no one else. The capital city of Jesusalem belongs to the Jews/Israel, not to anyone else. When JP says that the palestinians have just as much as a right to the land as Israel does is nothing but a lie from the pit of hell. If you don't believe that modern day Israel are Gods chosen people then I really don't have much to say to you. Read Revelation and tell me who the 144K are? But, if you don't believe in a literal fulfillment of prophecy then it doesn't really matter what I say. Read Revelation, read Daniel, understand the OT and believe it. When one of your children go astray for a while does not mean they are no longer your child. Israel has had their eyes blinded until the fulfillment of the gentiles. Israel as a nation will come back to Christ but after much death and destruction. Is modern day Isreal doing what God called them to do, no. Will they yes. Be patient and believe every word that is written in the Bible. Stop listening and hanging on every word that JP says. He is wrong about Israel and the Jews. JP also just told christian not to vote in the last Presendital election. I tell you my friend that is pure evil. Not to vote to save a childs life is evil, and what JP was telling people to do is pure evil. God gave him a platfrom and God expects it to be used for HIS glory.
@@tudfrey if you read revelations, only the New Jerusalem is what is promised at the end of Revelations. The Israel that the book refers to is Gods chosen people; the bride of Christ; the church. Only those that believe in Christ will receive the fulfillment of his promises, first for the Jew and then for the Gentile. There are Christian believers in Israel and Palestine, their true home is like ours in America; the literal New Jerusalem city brought down from heaven.
As for voting, the Bible does not mention anything about not voting being a sin. It only mentions following the laws of the land and being a representative of Christ. Voting is a right given to us by the amendments of the United States Constitution, we as Americans don’t have to vote. And even if we are to vote, has America proven itself to be worthy of obedience? Certainly not! In fact, the Bible shows us time and time again, how much God despises the actions of such nations who get too arrogant. Hence the imagery of Babylon in the Old Testament . America is that modern day Babylon based on the fruits it has taken. It is not up to us to change policies by arguing with people, that’s not part of the scriptures. Paul says it’s better to be wronged than to try and be right in 1 Corinthians 6. We are called to be a people of prayer and a royal priesthood, not politicians.
I tell you, repent of this nonsense and look to Christ. Read your Bible and look towards emanating the fruit of the spirit in Galatians. Putting on the armor of God in Ephesians. And humble yourself lest you be “least in heaven” for promoting the wrong ideas. (Matthew 5:19)
@@Swordbringer So by your thought process Daniel was completly in the wrong. Paul should not have influenced kings and queens. Jesus should not have said anything to the rulers. If you think christians don't have a part in politics you will get what you deserve. God absolutely wants people in government. If not guess who gets to make all the rules. Your thought pattern is right in line w/ JP and I would not expect anything less. You need to read and think and pray on your own. Last but not least there is no book in the Bible called RevelationS. Have you ever opened the Bible and read cover to cover? Do you even look at the names of the books or do you just pick out passages that suit your fancy? You people from JP's skruel amaze me. One of these days you will see the light. God Bless,
@@tudfrey clearly the issue is whether or not a Christian should be devoted to a nation that is anti-Christ. And clearly the answer should be no.
And there is a book in the Bible called revelations. It is the revelation of John, which describes the end of days and the promise of Jesus. If you don’t know about revelations, I urge you to read it. There you will learn of all that is to come, and all that is to perish. For if you are not completely for Him, you are against Him.
Love, just love this message. Thank you for both the question and the answer, just thank you!!!
Even if Israel had not broken the covenant, it still wouldn’t be right for them to try and remove Palestinians out of the land would it? As I don’t feel God gives even us ‘his people’ a blessing/something for us to hoard and boast, he’s still want us to share it in his love no? So wouldn’t it be right to pray for Palestine because atm they are currently the ones being forced out and less able to defend themselves. As I feel which shouldn’t take sides but whoever is being oppressed (cannot defend themselves to the same level as the other group) we should also be praying for their freedom?
What are your thoughts?
Modern Israel and ancient Israel is not the same place or people. People are so misguided and are possibly siding with the devil out of ignorance
This is incorrect and unbiblical. Israel is still God’s people and his convent to them will be unbroken. Satan is working through Hamas and the Islamic world to destroy Israel and Jerusalem.
@@StoneingtonWhat she saying is that those who are calling themselves Jews and are not (Rev 2;9, Rev 3:9), but are of the synagogue of Satan. She is also saying that the Holy Land, true Jerusalem is not where they say it is...........
@@BouncySlim1 false on both accounts. Study world history and your Bible.
@@Stoneington 1. Did you delete your original comment. 2. I was just rephrasing the OPs statement since you seemed not to understand what she was saying based on your comment that I can no longer see.
@@Stoneington What is leprosy?
That, was brilliant. I don't always agree with John Piper (but I respect him always and see him as a true brother in the faith) this however opened my eyes. I am reminded of the Commander of the LORD'S army with His drawn sword in the book of Joshua when asked whose side He was on said neither. Joshua 5 I think.
Yes! Agreed
Romans 11:24
For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.
This is so touching. May God have mercy on Israël as He showed mercy on the nations through Christ. Amen.
‘mErCy On IsRaEl’ BRO FROM WHAT? CHILDREN WITH ROCKS? ALSO IM PRETTY SURE CHRIST WOULD’VE BEEN WITH PALESTINE 😂 (no but fr stop this they stole palestine aka our land and started crying that WE took it?)
@@1d0n0t3x1styou are a Muslim you have no right to talk about Christ that way
@@1d0n0t3x1stPretty sure Jesus is with Israel, his home that he mentions clearly in the Bible and never mentioned Palestine once.
This touches on a problem that is yet more complex. Pastor John’s answer years ago is still pertinent. But the persecution of Christians is a worldwide happening in lands such as Eritrea, for example. The movement of the Holy Spirit carrying on the work of Jesus in the church seems critical to me. The church is way too divided. We must come together as Christians and let the Holy Spirit lead, breaking down our preconceptions. Ps 85:10 (NKJ)
I say to all of you, pastors included..... Go to God for understanding and knowledge and stop seeking man's opinion. The only opinion that matters is God's..... Take the time to seek his face for all things so that you may not be led a stray. Only what God says matters. Stay Blessed and keep praying.
Excellent Input of The Word
This is just WRONG teaching as far as I am concerned.. 'for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable! ' Romans 11:29
What does the God of Jacob is our fortress mean? Psalm 46 begins with the words: “The Lord is my refuge and strength, a very present help in time of trouble. Therefore we will not fear, though the earth gives way … The Lord of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our fortress.” This means that you and I can stop fighting in our own strength and rest in Him.
Jon Piper's ministry is such a breath of fresh air man. 🙌
“Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God. What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God? By no means! Let God be true though every one were a liar, as it is written, “That you may be justified in your words, and prevail when you are judged.””
Romans 3:1-4
What if some are covenant breaking? I like what pastor John is saying but there is so much more nuances.
Thanks Pastor John
Piper, in light of the current events in the world that are depriving people of life and freedom, do you still maintain that we “spread falsehoods” if we assert that life and freedom are precious? Do you think it is legitimate if Israelis and Palestinians have a different view?