Haflingers and Pinzgauers are designs by Erich Ledvinka son of Hans Ledvinka constructor who worked both in Tatra and Steyr and design vehicles with tubular (backbone) frames with propeller shafts inside of them. So we can talk that construction was inherited rather than copied.
My grandfather helped to design it and he also test it in austria,in switzerland ,arabian and in many other countries.he wrote ab book about the history of puch his name is Dr Egon Rudolf
Well done too your grandfather. You should feel very proud of him. This is a brilliant bit of engineering. I really admire it. I will search for his book. Please ignore the Trolls, true engineering minds understand how clever it is.
Pinzgaur is the ultimate machine!! Respect to your GrandFather and all the Engineers that put this concept together back in the days in Graz Austria. Bamidele from Nigeria.
+bamiracer when i was a young man we still had the predecessor to the Pinzgauer, the little Haflinger. amazing what the driver could do, so we never got out well shone boots dirty...
+bamiracer when i was a young man we still had the predecessor to the Pinzgauer, the little Haflinger. amazing what the driver could do, so we never got out well shone boots dirty...
YES.....BUT WE BRITISH STILL BEAT YOU.....and eat soggy sandwiches and baked beans that make usfart.......you can haveprince andrew back---mr sachs-coburg goether as we all are fed up of thedirt ylittleshit.
😍 I love Tatra whole my life and knew nothing about Pinzgauer. Thank you for this video where you can see how Pinzgauer and TATRA work, but at the same time I started to wonder why Steyr can use the same invention as TATRA and I learned a lot of interesting new information about the life of Hans Ledwink. This technical genius was during a gala evening on March 6, 2007 at the Geneva Motor Show, Hans Ledwinka inducted into the "Hall of Fame" among the most important designers in European car history. In 1961 he was awarded the Rudolf Diesel Medal.
With this set up... Does that mean, there is a wheel further forward from the other side of the vehicle?... I think the right side wheel is always a few inches (cm) forward from the left side wheel?
Does the Tatra system work like this as well? Absolutely brilliant way to design an offroad vehicle and an excellent explanation of how it works as well. Thanks.
@@ondrejkluc8760 This was never patented and it's not Ledwinka's invention. Stop repeating bullshits from Czech Wikipedia. Ledwinka was the only man in the world, who was able to design design this conception for mass production. And because Ledwinka designed Pinzgauer as a freelancer, Steyr didn't hold the necessary know-how to design other vehicles with this conception. The cost of development is the only reason why Tatra is the only producer of vehicles based on this conception.
Thanks, I really appreciated that explanation. Simple machine ideals whipped into a fantastic package. Does this utilize portal axles at the outside for better clearance? How does this compare to the driveline in the Haflinger?
Yes, there are drop gearboxes at the hubs, making them portal axles. Haflinger uses a similar backbone layout, but with conventional differentials and axle joints (and the engine is placed differently).
Thank you for this amazing Video! I came to it while studying Tatra Trucks, but the title here says "Pinzgauer." Are they related? Do, or did, Tatra Trucks use the same axle manufacture as Pinzgauer? My research, so far, shows me that Pinzgauer and Tatra are a line of Trucks, and not necessarily the drivelines manufacture. A second question, in my head, after watching this video, is to learn more on just how the independent axle travel was limited. When either the Truck leaves the ground (Think Dakar Rally), or by bottoming out, say when the Truck is overloaded on rough terrain. I did hear that pins of some sort, in the upper axle house facilitated the limit, but I would sure love to see how that is being done. Also, I will try to go and look now, to see if I can find the History of this "Pinzgauer" drive system, in the Dakar Rally.
Thank you for that link Thomas. I have read that before though, and even a second time. I still cannot glean exactly who is building this driveline. Are you saying that this video also has Tatra parts? Or could it be now called Steyr-Daimler-Puch? What does the data tag read on this Pinzgauer Driveline I wonder?
Tatra builds it's own drive line and there's plenty videos on TH-cam showing this. Hans Ladwinka designed this system when at Tatra in the 1920's and his son did a similar design for Steyr-Puch (who make Pnzgauer) in the 1960's. So the link between the companies is father and son and nothing else. Tatra build their own vehicles including the driveline and Steyr-Puch built theirs although BAE Systems Inc. bought the rights to Pinzgauer in 2000 and built them in England from then onwards.
Captain Win - Thank you very much for those pieces to the puzzle! Now that makes perfect sense. I have seen some "Tatra built" wording in several videos here, but no "Tatra building" these drive lines. I will narrow my searching a bit more, and do my best to come up with some of those. Most people don't know, or dig in deep enough to find the differences. Licensing deals could be playing a role, behind the scenes for example, in some manufacturing/assembly lines, and we wouldn't know it, until we look for those answers. I am wanting to know the entire history. Again, thank you very much for taking the time to reply with that information.
The son Erich Ledwinka also worked some time for Tatra and took the concept to SDP. They even got sued for it. You will also like the Haflinger which is built the same way but smaller.
saludos desde Venezuela buen vídeo felicitaciones una pregunta espero me ayudes estoy trabajando en uno de esto arme una trasmicion delantera pero la monte y no acopla completa le falta x entrar como 1 ctm xq no entra
Fascinating! I have read that the driveshafts are staggered by 30mm, due to the dual crownwheel setup. How does this translate on the ground? Are the portals slightly angled to compensate? I doubt that the wheels are staggered on the ground, as it would make the vehicle very near undrivable. Just in case you are wondering what the proper term is for "the witches hat", it is actually called the axle journal neck.
Some Renault car had staggered rear wheels (to allow the torsion bar springs to sit one in front of the other), and there was no effect on driveability.
@@gmcevoy The one I remember is the first-generation Renault 5, which is the only Renault of it's vintage sold in any significant number here (in North America). The R 5 suspension came directly from the Renault 4, and was also used in the Renault 6, but apparently was not used in this form in larger or later models, or even the second generation 5. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_4#/media/File:Axle_-_Trailing_arm_41.gif en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_4#Suspension The specs in Wikipedia (for the Renault 4) show a 45 mm (2.8") difference between the sides.
Aren't you moving the driveshaft in the wrong direction? The engine would move the shaft clockwise, looking from the front, which would turn the half-shafts what would appear to be in reverse, but because the Pinz has portal axles, the direction would be reversed by the larger bull gear in the bottom of the portal axle, providing forward motion. Correct? Otherwise, good vid.
Is there any adjustments for off- centered crown wheel of front axle differential? There is an hard pressed bearing sound in slow vehicle movements, noticable from drivers cabin. The sound vanishes once the vehicle pick ups speed above 40- 50 km/hr. We are rechecked and done all lubrication procedures for wheel , axle and steering. On removal of rubber protective oil cover from both sides of differential and checking crown wheel movement, it is noticed the slightly off-centered movement of the wheel in respect of the scraper plate. The clearance is more than 3mm at some point and vary to 0 mm clearance at some other point on right hand side. Slight off centered movement also exist in left side also. ( To clarify doubt we checked with another vehicle of same model and and found perfect rotation of the crown wheel). We are facing this issue with Tatra 815 6x6 euro 3 right hand drive vehicle. Can u please guide to resolve the issue..
Backbone tube nicely explained. It is interesting to compare both Porsche and Ledwinka continuing to develop same ideas as Tatra on other side of Iron curtain. Pinzgauer reminds me mostly of Tatra 805. They both look a bit nervous off-road, perhaps because of high center of gravity. Despite that, both are quite capable.
Wrong Porsche steal from Tatra it is fact but WW2 and cold war after masked this theft. After WW2 Tatra got small compensation from german for that but that's all.
It doesn't matter where the design came from, these are awesome off road vehicles in 4x4 and 6x6 setup. The only downside is the complexity and hence the considerable in service maintenance required. Costs of major driveline failures are astronomic. Even the military wince at the operating costs.
Dartmoor Dave Not really, Tatra Trucks are still in use after 40 years of working. There is actually nothing to broke in combination with air cooled Tatra engine. Maybe just pinzgauer is crap. Actually with this concept you can build unlimited number of axles truck (Tatra builds 16x16 trucks for rafinery Now) and the costs are getting lower than standard chassis with more and more axles.
Very interesting way to arrange a differential, especially because it means the wheels on the same 'axle' are not the same distance along the vehicle. What can't be seen here is that (As far as I can work out anyway) the input drive to the diff turns the shaft that the side pinions in the meshed set of 4 in the centre of the diff are attached to. This transfers drive to the front at back pinions in the meshed set of 4 to transfer drive to the half shafts going to the left and right wheels. The locking mechanism locks the input shaft (Which passes uninterrupted through the differential) to the rear pinion driving the crown wheel to the left half shaft. Looking at the way the drive shaft passes straight through the differential, I suspect this is why they're able to make 6x6 or 8x8 versions easily with the same building blocks. The downside is that wind-up in the shafts will be an issue where there's full traction on all wheels as all axles will be driven at the same speed, so maybe there's more to it, my knowledge of this driveline is limited to guesses from looking at the video here only.
True - the crown and pinion gears shown turn the drive 90 degrees and allow suspension movement, but they're not the differentials; the internals of the differentials are not shown.
Sir. Could you please elaborate on the 3 control levers on the dashboard. Also does this particular model have a centre diff- Transfer case. And in the 6x6 variant, is there a lockable inter axle diff. Between the 2 rear axles.
One lever to engage drive to the front; the other two levers lock the front and rear differentials. No, there is no centre differential: it is a part-time system, in either rear-only drive or four wheel drive with front and rear speeds locked. No, the 6X6 has no interaxle-differential, or inter-axle disconnect: both rear axles are always driven, and always at the same speed. It's not good for paved surfaces.
This is an elementary. Though EXCELLENT explanation. Which Even I can comprehend. Now. I di not want to sound out too loud. but. Although I think that this drive line is much more expensice than that of a Mog. I have also seen obstacle course demos. Such e.g. th-cam.com/video/JOKIeaqtPzY/w-d-xo.html. Decide for yourself. But for the record. My jaw dropped. Thank you very much!
so when the diff is not locked, Is the one shaft driven and the other totally free balling? is there any friction drive or anything else putting torque on the outside coaxial shaft when the locker is not engaged?
The torque goes through the main shaft to the boxy thing visible in 2:22, which distributes it via the spider gears to both ring gears, so also unlocked both wheels are driven.
Does that mean that the wheels from the left side are a bit offset from the wheels of the other side because of the axel placement to give room for the second crown and pinion set up?? So the wheels of the one side are a little behind the wheels of the other side??
so again. this type of chassis is from Hans Ledwinka, the first use of this chassis was the Tatras, is not talking about the video talking here about the chassis, as my colleague has already said that it was Tatra later is not true, tatra was the first in the video for the Steyr but chassis design is from Hans and was used for the Tatras and later modified in Steyr, Steyr chassis that could be used on bigger trucks because it interfered with the patent Tatras,Tatra heavy truck steyr light truck
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@@neurolog5621 Ale pravdou je, že patent vlastnila a vlastní TATRA, proto tam musel použít mírné úpravy a nikdy nemohl postavit velký náklaďák. Na druhou stranu, jak se zdá, konečně mohl zakomponovat portály.
The half shaft crown wheels are driven off centre but the half shaft housings and tubes are in line out to the hubs and linkages. It's a great system. Never seen one so well split
Destruction. The pin mentioned in the video limit travel to prevent this, but probably wouldn't be strong enough. The suspension bump stops and droop straps prevent excessive travel.
@WayneStcroix Tatra trucks and the Pinzgauer use the same design of driveline by Hans Ledwinka, but none of the components would be interchangeable - they would be different in size and details.
If you did use a Tatra Chachi, with a Scania V8 Diesel engine, a M.A.N Gearbox, and Tatra's own Diffenrentiale, and a Daf stiringhouse, then you will have the strongest and the best Truck in the world..
next time when someone inserts a comment and do not respond that it is someone else's invention, when the truth is that it's just a modification of something already used long ago, I wrote that this is just Tatra Kopřivnice concept, invented by Hans Ledwinka and used it in her first time, do not deny your right it's Steyr I just wrote that it was the original concept Tatra
Putting this into small vehicle is like fishing with a bomb. As far as I know Pinz is the smallest vehicle to be fitted with this driveline, it was of course built for military use. TATRA is probably the only one left using this system. It is simple but heavy and expensive, even modern military vehicle use a beefed up version of conventional system. Search "backbone chassis" for more info or visit 6-wheel-drive.org
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I am a BMW tech and I drove a 710m for many years. I never knew what the heck was happening in that driveline so thank you so much for making that.
Haflingers and Pinzgauers are designs by Erich Ledvinka son of Hans Ledvinka constructor who worked both in Tatra and Steyr and design vehicles with tubular (backbone) frames with propeller shafts inside of them. So we can talk that construction was inherited rather than copied.
the most capable offroad driveline humanbeings ever made! Salute Ledwinka!
By far the best and shortest video explaining how something works, only facts. Thumbs up.
My grandfather helped to design it and he also test it in austria,in switzerland ,arabian and in many other countries.he wrote ab book about the history of puch
his name is Dr Egon Rudolf
Well done too your grandfather. You should feel very proud of him. This is a brilliant bit of engineering. I really admire it. I will search for his book. Please ignore the Trolls, true engineering minds understand how clever it is.
Pinzgaur is the ultimate machine!! Respect to your GrandFather and all the Engineers that put this concept together back in the days in Graz Austria.
Bamidele from Nigeria.
+bamiracer
when i was a young man we still had the predecessor to the Pinzgauer, the little Haflinger. amazing what the driver could do, so we never got out well shone boots dirty...
+bamiracer
when i was a young man we still had the predecessor to the Pinzgauer, the little Haflinger. amazing what the driver could do, so we never got out well shone boots dirty...
That's an engineering masterpiece.
YES.....BUT WE BRITISH STILL BEAT YOU.....and eat soggy sandwiches and baked beans that make usfart.......you can haveprince andrew back---mr sachs-coburg goether as we all are fed up of thedirt ylittleshit.
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Thank you! First video I could find that actually explains how these work
Great engineering and great demonstration I would like to see how the the wheel hubs work as well
Been looking around forever for a video that shows how that type of differential works.
😍 I love Tatra whole my life and knew nothing about Pinzgauer. Thank you for this video where you can see how Pinzgauer and TATRA work, but at the same time I started to wonder why Steyr can use the same invention as TATRA and I learned a lot of interesting new information about the life of Hans Ledwink. This technical genius was during a gala evening on March 6, 2007 at the Geneva Motor Show, Hans Ledwinka inducted into the "Hall of Fame" among the most important designers in European car history. In 1961 he was awarded the Rudolf Diesel Medal.
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Great video. I saw these differentials on a dump truck in Russia. Finally, I get to see what's inside. Thanks.
TATRA truck made in Czech Republic
With this set up... Does that mean, there is a wheel further forward from the other side of the vehicle?... I think the right side wheel is always a few inches (cm) forward from the left side wheel?
Does the Tatra system work like this as well? Absolutely brilliant way to design an offroad vehicle and an excellent explanation of how it works as well. Thanks.
This Is pateneted by Tatra
@@ondrejkluc8760 This was never patented and it's not Ledwinka's invention. Stop repeating bullshits from Czech Wikipedia. Ledwinka was the only man in the world, who was able to design design this conception for mass production. And because Ledwinka designed Pinzgauer as a freelancer, Steyr didn't hold the necessary know-how to design other vehicles with this conception. The cost of development is the only reason why Tatra is the only producer of vehicles based on this conception.
what a killer setup! i have to wonder what that rear diff section will hold power-wise.
Pure genius design! Just wish I could afford one of them!
Thank you. Beats isometric drawings by a country mile. I am not a mechanic but it looks like a solid reliable system.
Great video! But how about sealing on axle housing.? That rubber is enough?
I always wondered what those diffs looked like. Now I know.
Thanks, I really appreciated that explanation. Simple machine ideals whipped into a fantastic package.
Does this utilize portal axles at the outside for better clearance?
How does this compare to the driveline in the Haflinger?
Yes, there are drop gearboxes at the hubs, making them portal axles.
Haflinger uses a similar backbone layout, but with conventional differentials and axle joints (and the engine is placed differently).
Thank you for this amazing Video! I came to it while studying Tatra Trucks, but the title here says "Pinzgauer." Are they related? Do, or did, Tatra Trucks use the same axle manufacture as Pinzgauer? My research, so far, shows me that Pinzgauer and Tatra are a line of Trucks, and not necessarily the drivelines manufacture.
A second question, in my head, after watching this video, is to learn more on just how the independent axle travel was limited. When either the Truck leaves the ground (Think Dakar Rally), or by bottoming out, say when the Truck is overloaded on rough terrain. I did hear that pins of some sort, in the upper axle house facilitated the limit, but I would sure love to see how that is being done.
Also, I will try to go and look now, to see if I can find the History of this "Pinzgauer" drive system, in the Dakar Rally.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Ledwinka
Thank you for that link Thomas. I have read that before though, and even a second time. I still cannot glean exactly who is building this driveline. Are you saying that this video also has Tatra parts? Or could it be now called Steyr-Daimler-Puch? What does the data tag read on this Pinzgauer Driveline I wonder?
Tatra builds it's own drive line and there's plenty videos on TH-cam showing this. Hans Ladwinka designed this system when at Tatra in the 1920's and his son did a similar design for Steyr-Puch (who make Pnzgauer) in the 1960's. So the link between the companies is father and son and nothing else.
Tatra build their own vehicles including the driveline and Steyr-Puch built theirs although BAE Systems Inc. bought the rights to Pinzgauer in 2000 and built them in England from then onwards.
Captain Win - Thank you very much for those pieces to the puzzle! Now that makes perfect sense.
I have seen some "Tatra built" wording in several videos here, but no "Tatra building" these drive lines. I will narrow my searching a bit more, and do my best to come up with some of those.
Most people don't know, or dig in deep enough to find the differences. Licensing deals could be playing a role, behind the scenes for example, in some manufacturing/assembly lines, and we wouldn't know it, until we look for those answers. I am wanting to know the entire history.
Again, thank you very much for taking the time to reply with that information.
The son Erich Ledwinka also worked some time for Tatra and took the concept to SDP. They even got sued for it. You will also like the Haflinger which is built the same way but smaller.
What a brilliant video, thanks so much for making it.
Amazing! Some respects to engineers and designers.
saludos desde Venezuela buen vídeo felicitaciones una pregunta espero me ayudes estoy trabajando en uno de esto arme una trasmicion delantera pero la monte y no acopla completa le falta x entrar como 1 ctm xq no entra
Wow thanks for that amazing inside look much appreciated. Because of folks like you youtube is making geniuses
Impresionante!!! grandisimo video!!! gracias por compartirlo, esta tecnologia es la que debieran tener los 4x4 de hoy en dia
Fascinating! I have read that the driveshafts are staggered by 30mm, due to the dual crownwheel setup. How does this translate on the ground? Are the portals slightly angled to compensate? I doubt that the wheels are staggered on the ground, as it would make the vehicle very near undrivable. Just in case you are wondering what the proper term is for "the witches hat", it is actually called the axle journal neck.
Some Renault car had staggered rear wheels (to allow the torsion bar springs to sit one in front of the other), and there was no effect on driveability.
@@brianb-p6586 Interesting! Can you remember which models had this setup? Thank you for your input. :-)
@@gmcevoy The one I remember is the first-generation Renault 5, which is the only Renault of it's vintage sold in any significant number here (in North America). The R 5 suspension came directly from the Renault 4, and was also used in the Renault 6, but apparently was not used in this form in larger or later models, or even the second generation 5.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_4#/media/File:Axle_-_Trailing_arm_41.gif
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_4#Suspension
The specs in Wikipedia (for the Renault 4) show a 45 mm (2.8") difference between the sides.
@@brianb-p6586 Fascinating. Thank you!
Aren't you moving the driveshaft in the wrong direction? The engine would move the shaft clockwise, looking from the front, which would turn the half-shafts what would appear to be in reverse, but because the Pinz has portal axles, the direction would be reversed by the larger bull gear in the bottom of the portal axle, providing forward motion. Correct?
Otherwise, good vid.
Is there any adjustments for off- centered crown wheel of front axle differential? There is an hard pressed bearing sound in slow vehicle movements, noticable from drivers cabin. The sound vanishes once the vehicle pick ups speed above 40- 50 km/hr. We are rechecked and done all lubrication procedures for wheel , axle and steering. On removal of rubber protective oil cover from both sides of differential and checking crown wheel movement, it is noticed the slightly off-centered movement of the wheel in respect of the scraper plate. The clearance is more than 3mm at some point and vary to 0 mm clearance at some other point on right hand side. Slight off centered movement also exist in left side also. ( To clarify doubt we checked with another vehicle of same model and and found perfect rotation of the crown wheel). We are facing this issue with Tatra 815 6x6 euro 3 right hand drive vehicle. Can u please guide to resolve the issue..
Backbone tube nicely explained. It is interesting to compare both Porsche and Ledwinka continuing to develop same ideas as Tatra on other side of Iron curtain. Pinzgauer reminds me mostly of Tatra 805. They both look a bit nervous off-road, perhaps because of high center of gravity. Despite that, both are quite capable.
Wrong Porsche steal from Tatra it is fact but WW2 and cold war after masked this theft. After WW2 Tatra got small compensation from german for that but that's all.
Top notch quality video!
Seriously. Thank you
Tatra or Steyr?
The right answer is LEDWINKA.
awesome. ifs/irs with portals! how strong are they comparatively to solid axles with portals?
It doesn't matter where the design came from, these are awesome off road vehicles in 4x4 and 6x6 setup. The only downside is the complexity and hence the considerable in service maintenance required. Costs of major driveline failures are astronomic. Even the military wince at the operating costs.
Dartmoor Dave Not really, Tatra Trucks are still in use after 40 years of working. There is actually nothing to broke in combination with air cooled Tatra engine.
Maybe just pinzgauer is crap.
Actually with this concept you can build unlimited number of axles truck (Tatra builds 16x16 trucks for rafinery Now) and the costs are getting lower than standard chassis with more and more axles.
great video, the arrangement of the axles final dives shaft reminds me the tatra configuration
it was designed by the son of Tatra's old chief engineer
Great! Now make sense!
Never seen one in person, would like to see one do its thing off-road
Very interesting way to arrange a differential, especially because it means the wheels on the same 'axle' are not the same distance along the vehicle.
What can't be seen here is that (As far as I can work out anyway) the input drive to the diff turns the shaft that the side pinions in the meshed set of 4 in the centre of the diff are attached to. This transfers drive to the front at back pinions in the meshed set of 4 to transfer drive to the half shafts going to the left and right wheels.
The locking mechanism locks the input shaft (Which passes uninterrupted through the differential) to the rear pinion driving the crown wheel to the left half shaft. Looking at the way the drive shaft passes straight through the differential, I suspect this is why they're able to make 6x6 or 8x8 versions easily with the same building blocks. The downside is that wind-up in the shafts will be an issue where there's full traction on all wheels as all axles will be driven at the same speed, so maybe there's more to it, my knowledge of this driveline is limited to guesses from looking at the video here only.
About 1/2" or so, it doesn't really matter.
True - the crown and pinion gears shown turn the drive 90 degrees and allow suspension movement, but they're not the differentials; the internals of the differentials are not shown.
Are the portals clocked a little different from one another to realign left and right wheels or does that even matter?
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So, it looks like one rear wheel is further forward than the other??
it is.
Same at the front.
They are sure design not to fail, a lot of strength design into it
Thanks for explaining, amazing engineering. .but wouldn't want to work on that..very nice but would prefer unimog simplicity. .
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ah yes, Mercedes Benz. renowned worldwide for making vehicles that are simple and easy to repair.
Sir. Could you please elaborate on the 3 control levers on the dashboard.
Also does this particular model have a centre diff- Transfer case.
And in the 6x6 variant, is there a lockable inter axle diff. Between the 2 rear axles.
One lever to engage drive to the front; the other two levers lock the front and rear differentials.
No, there is no centre differential: it is a part-time system, in either rear-only drive or four wheel drive with front and rear speeds locked.
No, the 6X6 has no interaxle-differential, or inter-axle disconnect: both rear axles are always driven, and always at the same speed. It's not good for paved surfaces.
I'm replacing some small sections in the rear cargo area side panels. Does anyone know the thickness of the body sheets? 1974 710m
This is an elementary. Though EXCELLENT explanation. Which Even I can comprehend.
Now. I di not want to sound out too loud.
but. Although I think that this drive line is much more expensice than that of a Mog. I have also seen obstacle course demos. Such e.g. th-cam.com/video/JOKIeaqtPzY/w-d-xo.html.
Decide for yourself. But for the record. My jaw dropped.
Thank you very much!
so when the diff is not locked, Is the one shaft driven and the other totally free balling? is there any friction drive or anything else putting torque on the outside coaxial shaft when the locker is not engaged?
The torque goes through the main shaft to the boxy thing visible in 2:22, which distributes it via the spider gears to both ring gears, so also unlocked both wheels are driven.
ENGINERING MECHANICAL VERY GOOD INTELIGENCY
Great piece of work......thanks for being generous with the information.
Super! TATRA lässt grüßen. Gleiches Prinzip der Differentiale u. Pendelachsen.
блокировка мостов меж собой показана также делали на немецких магирусах только на одном мосту
Does that mean that the wheels from the left side are a bit offset from the wheels of the other side because of the axel placement to give room for the second crown and pinion set up?? So the wheels of the one side are a little behind the wheels of the other side??
yes, idk the exact measurement on this one, but on TATRAs the right side is about 55mm ahead
Качающиеся в корпусе редуктора полуоси интересно сделаны. Интересно какой у них ресурс, до того момента, как они потекут?
Раньше потекут бортовые редукторы. Если не уследить то умрут быстро. Хлопотно.
sweet, thank you for posting this!
really amazing, thanks for posting
so again. this type of chassis is from Hans Ledwinka, the first use of this chassis was the Tatras, is not talking about the video talking here about the chassis, as my colleague has already said that it was Tatra later is not true, tatra was the first in the video for the Steyr but chassis design is from Hans and was used for the Tatras and later modified in Steyr, Steyr chassis that could be used on bigger trucks because it interfered with the patent Tatras,Tatra heavy truck steyr light truck
Any chance of a close-up look of the 6x6 system.
I the 6X6 there are two rear differentials/final drives, just connected with no inter-axle differential.
дифференциал какой-то нифуя непонятный,но сцуко мощный ! 👍
What a great design!
bellissimo video guida come al solito sono sempre i stranieri a fare il meglio...
у татры полуоси не соосны?
колеса потразному стоят?
where do i get one of these? i want to make a 6 wheel, 6x6 off road buggy with irs/ifs and one of these in the middle
If click on show more you will find our web store and you can email us. We do have used drivelines available for purchase and can ship both ground and freight.
Wasn't this ingenious system created by Tatra?
This is an origin TATRA concept...
to je snad vynález tatry ne ?
Ne. Je to vynález Hanse Ledwinky, rakouského konstruktéra, který pro Tatru pracoval a kterého komunisté věznili a z Československa vyštvali.
@@neurolog5621 Ale pravdou je, že patent vlastnila a vlastní TATRA, proto tam musel použít mírné úpravy a nikdy nemohl postavit velký náklaďák. Na druhou stranu, jak se zdá, konečně mohl zakomponovat portály.
So the wheels on one side of the vehicle are misaligned with the wheels on the other side! So the vehicle swerves as you brake hard. Crazy!
The half shaft crown wheels are driven off centre but the half shaft housings and tubes are in line out to the hubs and linkages. It's a great system. Never seen one so well split
That is pretty slick.
TATRA!!! Nothing else
Except Tatra doesn't make a small version which is unfortunate.
Thanks for this explaining video.
ive always wondered what would happen if the differential overextended itself and the two axle gears were to touch
Destruction. The pin mentioned in the video limit travel to prevent this, but probably wouldn't be strong enough. The suspension bump stops and droop straps prevent excessive travel.
@@brianb-p6586 don't want to be the one to open the diff up to find out!!!
Where can I get the whole drive line of this product
Buy a used Pinzgauer. The components are no longer is production.
@@brianb-p6586okay what this be the same system as the tatra drive system
@WayneStcroix Tatra trucks and the Pinzgauer use the same design of driveline by Hans Ledwinka, but none of the components would be interchangeable - they would be different in size and details.
If you did use a Tatra Chachi, with a Scania V8 Diesel engine, a M.A.N Gearbox, and Tatra's own Diffenrentiale, and a Daf stiringhouse, then you will have the strongest and the best Truck in the world..
I'd prefer an older two stroke Detroit Diesel.
In fact Hans Ledwinka designed the Tatra beautiful transmission and his son Erich designed the Pinzgauer transmission...
Wow, this just blew my mind
В старых журналах За рулём есть фото рамы. Конструкции привода.
please what name of this differential, brand?
Steyr Puch Pinzgauer
really smart people invented that.
Thank you very much!
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patented by Tatra
Correct!
Designed by Hans Ledwinka.
thanks you very much!
that's i need !
TATRA prece ma bratra ☺
сальников сколько..замучаешься масло доливать
Ingenious!
Thanks that was good
awesome video man!!!
Thanks again Guys !!!!
next time when someone inserts a comment and do not respond that it is someone else's invention, when the truth is that it's just a modification of something already used long ago, I wrote that this is just Tatra Kopřivnice concept, invented by Hans Ledwinka and used it in her first time, do not deny your right it's Steyr I just wrote that it was the original concept Tatra
the pinzgauer is better than the tatra
he got differntial lock for all wheels
and his wight isnt that much...
lorenzrudolf tatra invented this drive line pinzgauer is licensed to use it by tatra
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Very powerful truck
Top👍👍👍👍
And why hasn't the big 3 and Toyota or Nissan been using this engineering??
Putting this into small vehicle is like fishing with a bomb. As far as I know Pinz is the smallest vehicle to be fitted with this driveline, it was of course built for military use. TATRA is probably the only one left using this system. It is simple but heavy and expensive, even modern military vehicle use a beefed up version of conventional system.
Search "backbone chassis" for more info or visit 6-wheel-drive.org
Well the smallest would be the steyr puch haflinger.
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THANKS A LOT!!
Stolen from Tatra ,Ledwinka principel!
well, both the pinzgauer and the tatra 805 are ledwinka designs...
Iz is TATRA concept!!!!!!!!!
Nope, you cant have independent suspension without adding a whole bunch of U joints and wishbone arms and track rods...
awesome thanks!
на татре применено но калеса на татре по оси моста в разбежку
No RZR box
NONONO IT WAS AUSTRIAN.Concepted in Steyr,built in Graz,
both near my place!!