Undercover Football Hooligan | Infiltrating the Millwall Firm - The Story Behind ID | JAMES BANNON
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ต.ค. 2021
- In 1995 the movie ID was released, one of the original movies on English football hooliganism. James Bannon is about to give you the full true story behind the movie. James was an undercover cop who infiltrated the notorious Millwall firm and made his way all the way to the top of the organisation. James led a double life, getting in fights, getting arrested, getting found out and even falling in love. You can read the full story in James Sunday Times bestseller, Running with The Firm. I hope you enjoy the episode.
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You can tell this guy loved being in a firm more than being a copper.
This guy isnt a pig, he could be a proper membrr of den!!!
You know it , still wears the gear aswell. I reckon he was a football lad infiltrating the filth !!
@@corbybuck8575 lol..
Rockin the stonie an all, you can see his eyes light up when talking about sticky situations
Yeah a was just thinking that.
So so glad I've found your podcasts, these are absolutely gold. Please keep doing what you do
“So my first night as a Millwall fan, my Sargent has just revealed that he thinks John Fashanu is white and I’ve had my fucking head kicked in” brilliant 😆
Enjoyed that, nice one.
I am Millwall and that may have been the midweek game,, that I, also attended, and I, also, went in at THe North Bank by paying at the turnstile but after 60 years this year of actually attending Millwall games since 1962, I have never been involved at all. That night though The 8,000 (?)Millwall end was jammed and there were plenty outside hence me walking around the ground in order to gain admission thru' the Home End. I had my City work suit on, climbed onto the pitch, and walked around smiling with the odd wave to an imaginary friend on the right-hand side as if I was an Arsenal Official, minus a Walkie Talkie. I continued to the Millwall (Clock ) End and revealed my scarf and the Police Officers let me into the Away terrace in front of me:)
I was in the north bank with gooners to right about 700, that was sat game , the midweek game was at your gaff...this sat game went of from 11 in morning all evening , every street ! A horse got smashed with lump of wood outside north bank as the whole of the stairs went straight into wall..
I remember the lad in his suit walking past seats waving ...lol
I read the book a few years ago and loved it, I'm not into football but to be honest I don't think it matters. It's just a really good book and a total insight into football violence and the firms that are involved in it. Thanks for posting this.
Watch the movie ID it's based on his story aswell, if you liked the book you'll love the film
I remember my first days as a West Ham hooligan- I nearly took a flight ✈️ back to Ireland
After two years I was working in Harrods my mate came into my work and gave me a video and said, this is what you’re turning into.
The movie was called ID
I never watched it for 2/3 years later…
When I watched it dawned on me I was lucky to be alive.
Sometimes I suffer from what happened then.
As soon as West Ham moved I moved on.
I’ll always be hammers ⚒️
But like O said I could have been in an early grave. 👊
Harry the Dog. Millwall legend..God bless him. Believe he's passed.
'Everyone carries a tool' cracks me up everytime, and launching a one man assault on the Bristol end way back when.
There's a couple of things in that Millwall Panorama documentary that made me laugh. When the well spoken narrator says ' Old Bill ' and when one of Millwall's top blokes is talking about not letting any northerners take the piss and we're going up there to do a few geezers, yet they're going to play Bristol Rovers!! Brilliant!! 😂😂
@@mrkipling2201 Also when the narrator says, "...There was Harry The Dog, Mat Pat and Winkle," I couldn't help but think that would make a good title for a children's story book.
brilliant stuff lad 👏👏👏
Went to Millwall in the 80,s with Newcastle, I was 11 year's old,shit my pants, loved Millwall ever since, hope you guys get in the premier League soon
I grew up hating Millwall and their fans, but i have to admit they always turned up at Upton Park in 70s, 80s and 90s when i used to go. Even when they were short handed they never ran.
I got to know a few of their oldèr lot years later, good solid lads. ......I dont recall many other clubs nearly as game .back then.
They turned up at goodison in the 70s sure those who went won’t forget that terrible day
@@mattyknight5599 still dining out on that one lad? Hows zippy these days
@@ianrolfe2779 on that ONE ? 😂😂funny you and don’t no mate he will alright I’m guessing
Great film and great book. The guy knew how to adapt and survive.
CP YOUR gullible
To believe in this Walter Mitty.
@@johndean4765 Well you're retarded then to not realize every single bit is 100% true. It was worldwide news when it actually happened and there was a book and 3 different films made about it. For future reference it helps to actually know what you're on about before you incorrectly comment/contradict. Talk about putting your foot in your mouth 😂.
Saying that West Ham won the world cup in '66 would have gone down a treat in a Lions pub.
GREAT Interview ;-) He's got some bottle !! Loved the film.. Gonna buy the book now. Must of been a right laugh trying to nick that clock :-)
The clock thing was made up by the press
Made up maybe but they put 24 hour security on arsenal clock
The book is well worth a read
Loved reading his book. Couldn't put it down.
Bradley Wilkins you loved his book but most of it is fantasy and the rest he found out.
Are you from NZ Andy? My first time listening im loving it. Fuk that for a laugh goin undercover with that lot
Fucking great story teller ,the flight jacket before he said it was orange inside I was laughing 😂
Superb interview
Can’t wait to read the book !
Well worth a read
"Two months of quite hard work" - having a couple of pints and a sarnie every day!
Yeah that will be all he did 🙄
@@timcomley3241, sorry, you're right, apparently he had to endure the odd packet of pork scratchings and dry roasted peanuts - oh the horror!
Filth thinking he's a geezer. Jog on
Still wearing the stone island he loves it , the passion never goes away gives you goosebumps
S.I Is cringe.
ID - loved it - my fiancee at the time wasn't quite so impressed....... but Donna, you did pick it!
Thought I was watching jackanory 😂😂
This is so funny!
Hilarious,thanks
Great story
Great show but the audio needs sorting. Compression would be a good idea. So it doesn't jump from quiet to loud
I remember the Arsenal v Millwall game very well - and the media story about the Clock being taken is 100% true. I was a uniformed PC that day at the Clock End - I remember seeing Frank McLintock on the touch line before the game. We spent the whole match pulling Millwall hooligans out of the crowd. Crazy day. We used to have operational feeding (nothing special) in Highbury Vale school before kick off.
The Daily Mirror fuelled that story….We spent the match laughing how many of you there were guarding the bottom of that clock….It was akin to the Battle of Waterloo when the British formed squares against the French Cavalry charge.
We never played you, when frank mclintock played for us??? A player draging fans out of the crowd,??? Who are you,, that is the biggest lot of bollocks i have ever heard , what planet are you on!?
@@nasreireinas3392 I think you need to re-read what I said you numpty. Or maybe go back to school. 🔔end.
@@nasreireinas3392 Learn to read mate :)
@@Jartran72 ok got that bit about players pulling people out of the crowd wrong, when we played millwall frank mclintock was long gone, maybe he was linesman that day lol,
The best hools movie ever,, no more bob, no more gimbo, no more shadwell😭👌
Good listen ,seem to jump from story to story though what happened after the chemist ?????, he went from going into detail about West Ham hunting him down , to drawing arsenal in the cup
I read this book and it was incredible. Loved it.
You should be so proud jumbo
In another interview he mentions the operation had to be dissolved due to other officers lying/fabricating events in other hooligan operations.
Could it be the own goal case against the inner-city firm the police got caught making up evidence.
Nutters. What a wild story.
Mm
All bullshit
Oh please Geezer-Really? u like a good bed time STORY?????
Flippin love you Gumbo
@Sharks not seen it dude.i can never find anything I wanna watch on Netflix
Been a copper and im Millwall.. can say for fact I can see why he got on so well as a hooligan..least hooligans are loyal and genuine even if they do create carnage! If u have a sense of humour and a good genuine character then def don’t join the police 👌
The last Copper I worked for was only the 2nd customer in my 30 years of self employment to vacuum out the existing & new crap between the joists within the ceiling chambers after I’d notched the joists . He’d fitted the sanitaryware & radiator and chased out the walls for pipework and everything was dead level , equidistant, totally immaculate including his equipment etc. I figured he must be a nightmare to live with then realised the girl making me tea was his new missus….👍
*Being
Stop lying.
I tell the iconic film with him fighting with England fans in Belgium I think, he could scrap as well haha
Tells a story well 😂😂
Very interesting talk this.
Only bad thing was the sound wasn’t great. Think it was the compression. Could be wrong.
Anyway. Loved this otherwise
Cool asf
Why use a picture from November 1978 which was Tottenham at Chelsea?
Uh hmmm
I.D the film is available on TH-cam
The thing about Millwall is no matter what firm or how many you bring they will still get stuck in and fight. Course Millwall have not win every fight but I can promise you now they will steam in and cause as much damage as possible. That's how Millwall gained such a big reputation.
Just listened to the full thing. Great story. Would’ve been nice if you gave a spoiler alert warning for the film 🙄
It’s in the title
I remember once before United city some guys came over singing city songs saying undercover cops we United won 5 1 always thought was they or bullshiting lol
What?
Saying some of the fucking sentences constructed in this whole reply section have been a bit tough to decipher, would be a drastic understatement.
i really dont think CCTV in the 80s was as advanced to distinguish Dungarees from Jeans!!!! CCTV was completely in it's infancy which generated very grainy black and white footage where You could just about make out what was going on.... You certainly couldnt identify anyone....
True although some CCTV was very good picture wise in the late 80’s. Some of the stuff they used to show on Crimewatch UK was very clear.
In 80 barely any cctv or hoolivans got away with murder till old bill caught on hence never had my pic take except one I didn't know about
"paul" im pissing myself laughing, now where have i heard that before,
7 mins 58, that's WIGAN town center, what's the doing on there? I'd say mid to late 80's looking at it more than likely Wigan v Bolton
"I fucking love you Gumbo"
i think the coins,darts scene and police turning a blind eye is based on boros ayresome park..notorious and absolute petrifying at the most of times..the cleveland police would turn a blind eye..boro firm one of the best aswell. ..went a few times in the 80s being a gooner..other than millwall..middlesbrough frontline were everywhere and we couldnt get away quick enough..
A Manchester United fan got hit in the eye with a dart after it was thrown by the away fans at Old Trafford. In the late 1970's, early 1980's. Not sure who the opposition was.
Never knew I.D was a true story, the best football hooligan film of them all. Cracking interview fair play
🗣 *Really?*
*For me it’s ‘Alan Parker’s’ 1988 BBC 2’s ‘Screen 2’ - ‘The Firm’ with Gary Oldman*
*Two weeks before the 88’ Euro Championship!* 🏆
🗣 *We laughed at ‘I.D’ when it was released back in the day (circa:1993/4)!*
*All the best anyway!*
U like the A team and Steven seagle films as well I bet
@@blahblah6968 🗣 *Barry is that observation/remark aimed at me?*
@@tyronewarren6662 no. @ Warren Lewis
So did this guy get a Shadwell tattoo on his arse in real life too lol
The yacht gang 😂😂😂😂
Love you gumbo lol
Fuckin long walk from Mile End rd to Upton Park!!
I think he didn't walk from Mile End must have been a closer road
This sounds very much like the ID movie. They walted as painters and decorators, and had their lunchtimes in the main boozer, when it was quiet. Got to know the bar staff, and then used it at night. They were also challenged by the Shadwell mob, who visited the house they were supposedly doing up.
Id was based on this
Great spot.
@tkelly81 wtf you in about you div
John and Trevor bollocks.
That's because it was ...
why can’t u Just put the actual video on screen instead of ur adverts lowe it
bro, i beg you just make it full screen
The North bank at Highbury held more than 8,000. Probably around 15-20,000.
story tell is right
If this bloke is or isn't telling the truth, who gives a fuck. Film is quality, plus it shows Millmoor and market in town, which is always a bonus.
He wakes up every morning in a land called Narnia.
Am I missing something here ? First night they’ve been outed as being bizzies cause his mate though fash was white then next day he’s on the lads coach to Leeds? Didn’t they think one of the lads from the boozer might recognise them ?
they knew, its the old saying keep your friends close but keep your enemies even closer,
@@alanjax7685 that saying doesn’t mean let the old bill see all your criminal shit haha.
Nope, he got the train like others to Leeds and then everyone got put on buses to the ground, normals and thugs alike.
Richie Anderson sounds like a tall story as they would have been recognised when they tried to infiltrate going to Leeds.Also the so called college
Was not at all streetwise why continue to still go with him?I suspect this story has been partially made up.
Richie Anderson seems to me everything he says is made up i am totally not convinced in his story telling .Blatant lies how come he didn't get recognised when he tried for a second time to infiltrate them?
I’ve seen him scrapping on Wimbledon common carved uncle Bulgaria’s face rightl up .
please uncle bulgaria woulda carved the muppet up we all know what happens when wombles and muppet's meet it aint pretty
@@baz5521 remember you're a womble
You mean Hampstead heath. When u were both out cottaging.
@@daddypig.5796 Get back in your sty piglet..
Still in the stone Island. Haha
Must still be undercover.
What is the exact years he claims he was undercover. Anybody know?
its got to be 86/87 ish, thats when plod took a proper interest in us. Our lot ( brum ) got pulled in oct 87, the rest were around the same tme, apart from chelsea who were pulled in before the 86 world cup. Im sure chelseas trial collapsed, west hams definently did.
The Arsenal Millwall game was January '88
I'm Arsenal but run around with millwall I set up a meet before THat game I know every millwall that turned up to that meet at Highbury hill. And I tell you now he wasn't there fact. I think he run around with some want to be firm. Maybe they cold have a row. That game with the clock. I know he wasn't with the boys
I dont believe you
But everybody knows you John Smith
Sid vicious lol
35 mins with Walter Mitty
8 minutes english his story sounds suspect
Bloody Chris lol
I absolutely loved ID , back when i/we teenage Plymouth fans thought we were the dogs bollocks ,,,, " let's go down the home end and kick some fucking heads in "
Pilgrims I'm a spurs fan but plym are my 2nd team.as my grandparents were from there
@@richardevans7035 the last 2 weeks have been awful as an argyle fan ... 4 games lost , manager ups and leaves cause he was banging someone's wife ....
Sometimes I hate football ...
Spurs and argyle , could you have picked any worse teams lol
@@thejannerofplymouth3654 I know mate should have picked Liverpool and Real Madrid as a kid lol, the last few weeks have been poor but I would be happy with a play off spot come May
@@xlbubblehead2505 Ken? .... hahahah oh yes I know Ken ( not ) Plymouth has a catchment area of 850 000 people so there are lots of kens , Kennys ......... ard as fuck mate
@@xlbubblehead2505 not fan base ..... the area ,,,,,, its Plymouth or the shit up the road
I fuckin love you Gumbo
It must have been a long, long time ago.
Can anyone vouch this story ?
If you walk in a boozer and are only recognised by a few, for whatever reason.. you need to give some big names who can vouch for you..from yrs bk..can't understand older blokes just starting to show and get away with it
The book is great , he defo wasn’t a pig by the end of his operation 🤣
Darlof he's fooled a lot of people into buying his book.A lot of his story doesn't ring true.
I was just going off what I read mate in the book, you can never believe a pig in general I no that they all piss in the same bucket.
This story is so full of holes
I was around through all this
completely , so non of the then fans remember these painters turning up then completely vanishing a fw weeks later ???
@@michaelwhittaker5432 a couple of painters hanging around for a while isn’t exactly a memorable event. Especially when they turned up, left and nothing happened.
The geezer said he was was also from south london originally so how didn’t he get rumbled by someone he knew 😂
Lee dungarees , casual clobber 👌👌
Dungarees ...yeah right
Interesting choice of hoodie….
When is book out ?
Book has been out years
It's called running with the firm
Must be still at it with the stone island on 🤣🤣
Not one real lad wears stone island anymore only people wearing stone island at football are the posers with all the gear no idea…
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@@poteyes6351 True. NOLU! 🦁
What still telling lies
@@poteyes6351 bullshit been wearing SI from 1986 when I were 13
@@poteyes6351 Bullshit. It's gone downhill but plenty still wear it.
Still wearing the Stoney! ....old habits...
So he bought a property himself that he was being payed police wages to do up!
This guy’s a smart cookie!
😂💀
This would be loads better to watch if it was full screen rather than the advertising it’s off putting
He obviously loved being a hooligan even though he’s old bill!
lol milwall leaving north end , they walked past a mosque giving it the big un to little kids , the whole estate chased them onto the train , and my how they ran , fun day
The undercover grass Walter Mitty
The police version of Jason Marinory porkies a plenty.
Jim from Wandsworth?? That’s a cracking cover story.. 2 mins from Stamford Bridge?? Well done Sherlock 🙄🙄🙄🤣🤣🤣
He couldn’t say he was from catford could he?
Plenty of Millwall out of Wandsworth.
Complete bollocks , you dont just walk in to a teams own pub and go ` hey can I be in your gang ` ??? he actually talks more like an ex squadie more an a teamster
Thank fuck someone who knows what hes talking about, the only people who believe this bollocks have never veen to a game in their life,!
Michael whitta the guy that said he was a copper talking about infiltrating firms is living in a world of fantasy .My view is he's made it all up to make money selling his book.His most telling lie was Millwall wearing dungarees what a load of rubbish. I expect a lot of gullible people will buy this nonsense.
This is the ID script basically? I never knew this was based on a true story?
Could be Mr Bannon has seen the film ,got some ideas from it then says he was involved, I don't fall for this.
Waste of taxpayers money. Hardly arrested anybody on these duties. Read the book, I keep a open mind about the facts !
His mate turns up in deck shoes and a Ralph Lauren polo "and that's totally not Millwall". Erm.......
Yeah, I'm not aware there was any uniform code (apart from the old Treatment hospital theatre gear) but that sounds typical of how I would dress at the time (except I'd never pay a premium just for a poncey label) and I walked those streets at all times, day and night.
@@herbert9241 Exactly. Distinguished Millwall look. That and Reebok workouts, obviously : )
filth....a blight on our hobby
could you get James Bannon to get in touch with UK casuals
He’s a bullshitter isn’t he? None of the wackers know him from what I’ve seen on the old ITK site. Wandsworth as well. Chelsea manor.
@@declanshanahan3888 Nobody knew him maybe he had it with a few Barmys but he wasn't anywhere with the right lot when it kicked 100% certain.
Bobby Ballbags !
Don't like pigs or football violence but gave it a thumbs up anyway
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NOLU