A lot of it surely must have been history, literature, art and of course mathematics and science. Consider that a lot what we know about the romans comes from a volume of books called "Ab urbe condita libri" and it had 142 volumes that dealt with the beginning of Rome all the way to the reign of the 1st roman emperor. Today only like 30 or so volumes survive.
These values still exist among many muslims still today. It has happened on some occasions when I told that im studying or teaching philosophy, the reaction I receive from some muslims is the following: Isnt philosophy haram (forbidden)? Sad to see and hear. The Quran continously encourages people to think for themselves, search for knowledge and develop intellectually and morally.
The fall of Romans was due to political adversary among Romans. The Victory of Mongols was due to unity among Mongols. The decline of Muslim rule was due to lack of unity among Muslims.
@@srinjoyghosh7273 Shukria and Tashakur Mutashakir of Farsi all came from Arabic Shukran. Actual word for Thanking in Farsi is Supasgozrum and Meharboni
It seems to me that the primary causes of the decline were Asha’ri fundamentalists theology, and the impoverishment caused by the collapse of the Silk Road. And the Mongol destruction just did damage that couldn’t be repaired due to the decline caused by the previous two factors.
This is why i subscribed to your channel some years back, such good content that's educational & sparks interest into the subject matter! Al-Masudi's quote at the end struck a chord with me, if he only knew that that same plague of irrationalism would befall all that him & his peers accomplished during that era, so sad!
Even though Mongols invaded and occupied Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Turkey and so on, they imposed nothing on the peoples whom they came to rule over. Instead the Mongol rulers and Mongol settlers assimilated into the Arabic/Iranic/Turkic Islamic society, adopted the language, religion and culture, and their descendants took Arabic/Iranic/Turkic names.
Lol. The romanticization of Mongols is hilarious. They never imposed anything cos they literally had nothing to impose, except slaughter. They massacred, massacred & massacred. That's all.
People talk of the need of Islam to undergo a reformation as Christianity did.... Seems like Islam had its reformation after destruction by the Mongols... it was just the opposite kind of reformation from what Christians experienced.
Salam Khan the Muslims have destroyed much over the world. This was Mongols over Arabs (who happened to be Muslim). In general, where most new conquerors added edifices and roads and public works, Alexander left libraries behind, the British built ports and canals, the Muslims left destroyed libraries, palaces, temples, and entire settlements. They looted, pillaged, killed, plundered, denuded, destroyed, and left barren ancient and irreplaceable peoples. From Tariq ibn-Ziyad to Salah din; Nader Shah to Timor Lane, their pride was the destruction of more civilized cultures and the loot of more successful traders.
Being an atheist doesn't make you historically illiterate.., I'm an atheist from Mongolia and I've read about the conquest of Baghdad in school as do most Mongolians..
Excellent video. And that quote at the end really is timeless. Science and reason are often in danger of being held hostage by faith and dogmatism. And while a society can achieve great things (Ancient Rome, Islam during its Golden Age, America in the Gilded Age) there is that specter in the background, ready to leap forth and seize the nation's mind and spirit.
There is a lesson to be learned here for those not blinded by hate and fear. Islam to this day is like an abused child, steeped in ignorance and aggression, itching to lash out. It still has not recovered from the mongols, and this is not something to be thankful for. Anyone who laments the lack of a renaissance or enlightenment within Islam needs to consider this story.
They are taking their time, the mongolian invasion happened centuries ago. Japan and Germany were both utterly destroyed after that second world war, yet right now Germany is by far the strongest country in the EU. I think Shirvan is right when he says it is to easy to blame it all on the mongols.
I'm not saying that it can all be blamed on the mongols, the reaction of the Islamic world to their conquest is just as key. But it should be noted that Japan and Germany were not nearly as "utterly destroyed" culturally as the Islamic world, they were also treated quite generously by the allies after they had surrendered and did not retreat into isolation. The differences are stark in these two scenarios.
+Jacob's Ladder i'll give you equivalent. Look at Communism see how much it destroyed in term of Culturally. And see now how much it take to recover. If there is only think to blame it is your own religion and yourselfs.
Wonderful to read something thoughtful, humane, and compassionate on this subject. Thanks! In another generation, I think we can all treat each other that way.
Misheel I agree that the Islamic world and its leaders are also very much to blame, I have acknowledged this already. I don't think Communism did as much to destroy culture though. The Mongols killed pretty much everyone in the main cultural centers of the region and then set the cities to the torch. Communists killed plenty of people, but didn't go quite this far. Thanks Larry, but I don't think people will grow out of tribalism anytime soon. I am not really trying to make excuses for Islam here either. If a murderer was abused as a child it doesn't absolve him of his crimes, but it does put things in perspective. And bm3racer, I disagree. The Ottomans were able to slow the decline, but they were only able to do this by playing all the volatile elements against one another in order to maintain control. This was an effective method for a while, but it ultimately exacerbated the problem when the central power dissipated.
we muslims today moved away from the path of truth and peace. We are blinded by the hatred of different ideas, thinking of modern era. Only if we keep learning, evolve and contribute positively to the world; we can be respected.
This is orientalist view. There were progress in scientific field in central Asia even in post timurid period. The Ottomans also promoted science but later scientific approach declined due to endless wars among the empire & against European empires.The reconquista,mongol invasion, timurid invasion,Mamluk- Ottoman clash,Safavid-Ottoman clash,Mughal - Safavid clash,decline of Silk route led to this fall.
Mongol invasion of Korea also stopped Korea's scientific development but it didn't stopped Korea restarting their scientific development in 15th century and now. I think it's extremist of Muslim fundamentalists stopped Muslim world's scientific development.
Really the best, love your narration, the background and the professionalism of your content and work. Its so clear and cleanly presented. Keep it up, and keep producing more content. Really appreciate what you do.
Faith is not against science. What is against it is State Religion as it evolved both in Christianity and Islan. State religion is enforced by force and see individual or small groups thought as a threat. I can't talk for Islan but I assure you that State Roman Catholicism is not Christianity.
Great point, I learned that when I started to study history, even though before I though that religion was "the root of all evil", but it is certainly more complex than that, and it's more related to power and corruption that to religion itself, but damn, religion is such a good tool for blind followers, politics and demagoguery; it's a shame that it's used that way.
Exactly its not the principles of faith , rather who implements them in which way? For example there is no stoning to death in the Quran , yet people disregard the Quran and look to create their own proof by fabricating fake hadith's and establishing their claim to do so based on the hadith! It is man that distorts faith or religion , all we have to do is read and look at history focus on the basics first n foremost!
true the 6th imam (jafar sadiq) of shia islam use to teach science n thoelogy to all shias n sunnis alike. his father (muhamad baqir 5th imam) use to be taught greek philosophers by his father (zain u abidin 4th imam) during their life time the rulers ummayads n abbasids were imposing their form of state religion theology n science were not their concern. plus the 6th imam said he only wqants the shia youth tobe engaged in seeking scientific knowledge
In only fifty years South Korea rose from the ashes like a phoenix to become one of the earths most advanced nations. Look at Turkey until recently, they did fairly well to a certain extent. The difference between the developed world and between primitives is the way how they treat women and minorities, how they handle free trade, the school and the social system. Many factors contribute to a well doing nation. The explanations by these great video series aren't enough to fully answer the question why islamic nations do so badly in comparison.
Kwarezmians would have had composite bows too, since their environment accounted for it. Also composite bows existed since 1200bc. Mongols won primarily due to their unique logistics and tactics.
3 out of 4 mongol khanates later converted to Islam. So Islam had taken temporarily defeat as Baghdad was massacred, but it didn't turn that bad. Hulagu khan was later defeated by Egyptian mamlook which gave Muslims upper hand.
It wasn't Chinese engineers that Mongol hired, they hired Khitan and Jurchen engineers, I'm surprised that you don't know much about East asian history.
Fantastic work, well presented, I hope one day the Middle East will rise again, and I hope we get to live in a more peaceful world , I hope it will be so peaceful to the point where it's so rare to find negative comment on a TH-cam video.
Or you are stung by the truth of Islam. How else would Islam enter the hearts of the Mongols who themselves became the bastions of Islam? Proof of Creator in Islam is a rational one, Proof of Islam is via the Miraculous nature of the Qur'an. Only the primitive deny rational proofs.
Hey you listen! Islam never enter a nation, but that nation become leading in the World. Ask for Arab, Persian, Egypt, Spain, India, Turk, and us Indonesia.
I never predict that my simple greeting replied by your insult about our religion. If, that argument about netherland, my argument is about Gaza Palestinian that take back Zionist with stick and stone. Muslim in war, usually fewer, poor, less experience, etc as when we conquere Palestine in first war with Byzantine. But we, when we hold our religion, we can win as now Hamas win. Just watch, which religion will heritage this world in future. Still, i will always respect other religion, as my religion told us. Maybe this is my last replied to you, i cant spend out all my time with one who ambitious winning debate, not discuss...
Those who yearn for the past and the greatness that was, just know that nothing lasts forever. No entity can maintain the pinnacle of anything for very long. A golden age is just that, one golden age. Have heart that Islam produced amazing thinkers and thinking during its Golden Age. Without the great contributions made to rationalism, the Age of Enlightenment and the development of Science/Calculus would never have occurred in Europe. Have hope that in the future the way of rationalism will spread throughout the world, and no religion or ethnic group will be able to ignore the inevitable.
@mirthfulbuddha Why would they take all the books and manuscripts 40 miles from Baghdad , while they could simply toss them in the Tigris. Al-mustanseria school (where the house of wisdom was likely located) is right next to the river !
THey couldnt read. Ghengis kahn was illiterate. ISomeone should write a story about some breakoff mongols stealing some of the books and conquering a town and setting up a super advanced society in secret
Dear Shirvan and Caspian Report, What is the source of these historical reenactments used in this series? Also, thank you for shining more light on our ignorance . . . .
Science is creativity..Creativity is like pregnancy..It happens ...And it goes...Science has happened in every civilization.. Mesopotamia..Greek..Roman..Persian..Indian..Chinese..Babylonian..Egyptian..Islamic science happened when they settled instead of conquering lands...But it collapsed when they were conquered..
One question: If Mongols were smart enough to capture and utilize Chinese technologies and their engineers, why did they destroy the books, literature and libraries of Muslims and thus wasting that important treasure of knowledge?
@CaspianReport: Hey Shirvan! Thank you for the content. I wonder if you can give me a link to the song you used in this video. I tried to find this performance in youtube, but I couldn’t find it. Thank you.
Oh great set of videos I agree with most of it up appreciate a lot of the peculiar a little details although I do have some slight criticisms and wish you were never clarified couple things but all in all it’s tough
Interesting part about the (physical) destruction of scientific institutions and literature begins at 9:20, later than also about intellectual. Lives nearly up to the first part of the series, meaning it talks actually about science and not only about political history!
I wonder why Shirvan did not mention that when the Arabs conquered Iran they burnt all the Sasanid libraries and destroyed Jondishapour university but when it came to Mongols he did mention it. A bit dishonest.
St. Thomas Aquinas rejected Averroes which held that there is a double truth, that of philosophy and that of theology. He was a follower of Aristotle to the extent that Aristotelian didn't contradict Catholic teaching. The fact is that he didn't trust the translations of Aristotle via Arabic translations, and he had a Dominican Friar translate Aristotle directly from Greek.
Fascinating, thank you and Salaam from Australia. As our use of science, technology, rationalism and materialism now threaten to destroy the world in may ways, at least on the ecological level, and is helping us all degenerate as cultures and societies and happy people on the more personal level, one is left to wonder if Al Ghazali maybe had a point, even if his Platonism did spell the end of the Islamic Golden Age.
great work! really appreciate your reports. that said it sounded at the end of this video as if faith and science are contradictory. in Quranic Arabic because of the way Arabic is built, there isn't one word for science. Belief on the other hand is generally translated as "iman" where in fact it is always associated with the word "bi" , meaning " a secured and trusted way in obtaining .. from .. ". Trust is more of a probabilistic approach, and depends heavily on one's perspectives and perception.
...also,he cannot be persecuted for reporting Islamic history as it actually worked out for the Muslims.The muslims did prefer the religious sciences above the more rational/natural sciences as neatly described by that daring historian,al-Masudi,when asked what the reason for the decline of Rome and Greece were. Keep up the good work Caspianreport
I think ... Science was defeated by State Religion (Ego driven Religious teaching) ... cos Faith is de fundamental driving force behind Science ... and surprisingly ... Religion too ...
Alot of roman and greek texts survived not only because of Arabs but also because of being stored in Byzantium. Codex Justinianus, which forms the basis of most roman civil law in the world is a good example.
i am shocked how many ignorants post their rants about islam while they know nothing about Arabic grammar . Quran was written in Arabic for a reason. the crappy translations to other languages caused the misconceptions. Arabic as a language is complex and one word can have multiple meanings that are completely different. you can never find a person who studied Arabic grammar insults Quran. the book itself is masterpiece grammatically . till now, no one could solve it’s complexity.
If I could make a time machine, I would go and bring all those books back. Who’s in??? For now, I don’t care what each side believed in. GREAT WORK SHIRVAN, GREAT WORK 👍🏼.
Mu'tazilism movement was started by Wasil ibn Ata, a student of Abd-Allah ibn Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah, the grandson of Ali ibn Abi Talib. So in fact, the Mu'tazilah had learned from an Alid tutor and Mu'tazilism was not so much incorporated into Shi'a Islam but in actual fact, since the intellectual root of both was the same, viz. Ali Ibn Abi Talib and his thoughts passed onto his descendents one of whom was the tutor of Wasil ibn' Aata the founder of the movement.
Actually. .the demise of Islamic golden age came from within. When a Democratic system as Khilafa Rashida was removed. The Umayyad and Abbasid kingdoms were only profiting of what was achieved during The prophet Muhammad (pbuh) & Rashidun Era .
My first ever post on youtube. Thank you very much for your hard work! This series is amazing!
Kamel El Mansi this is your first post? Where have you been brah?
I always wonder what was in those books burned and thrown in the river, it's really sad what happened.
A lot of it surely must have been history, literature, art and of course mathematics and science. Consider that a lot what we know about the romans comes from a volume of books called "Ab urbe condita libri" and it had 142 volumes that dealt with the beginning of Rome all the way to the reign of the 1st roman emperor. Today only like 30 or so volumes survive.
whoa . sad ;(
With the burning of the library of alexandria by ceasar and the destruction of baghdad and merv we lost at least 500 years
Some early form of robotics
Yussuf Daher Much of yhe history we know are the result if book keeping done in the Muslim world. Sad we will never know.
These values still exist among many muslims still today. It has happened on some occasions when I told that im studying or teaching philosophy, the reaction I receive from some muslims is the following: Isnt philosophy haram (forbidden)? Sad to see and hear. The Quran continously encourages people to think for themselves, search for knowledge and develop intellectually and morally.
"A great civilization is not destroyed without until is destroyed from within"
this series is legit the best series on understanding how Islam got to where it is today. Great work Shirvan!
That was beautiful and sad. Thank you Shirvan.
The fall of Romans was due to political adversary among Romans.
The Victory of Mongols was due to unity among Mongols.
The decline of Muslim rule was due to lack of unity among Muslims.
On a side note. Its nice to have your voice back. Tashakkur Shirvan!
@@subhashishdey4010 it's derived from "shukariya" i think. so it can mean "thank you".
@@srinjoyghosh7273 Shukria and Tashakur Mutashakir of Farsi all came from Arabic Shukran. Actual word for Thanking in Farsi is Supasgozrum and Meharboni
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!! (sorry I had too)
he he
"it's pronounced jenkiz Han here in Magnolia" lol 😂
Interestingly, I have a good colleague / friend who likes to say “Khan” like you wrote it
P.s: it’s pronounced Shynghus Khan in Kazakhstan :)
Lol
For those who don't get the joke, search "Khaaaan Star Trek 2"
It seems to me that the primary causes of the decline were Asha’ri fundamentalists theology, and the impoverishment caused by the collapse of the Silk Road. And the Mongol destruction just did damage that couldn’t be repaired due to the decline caused by the previous two factors.
This is why i subscribed to your channel some years back, such good content that's educational & sparks interest into the subject matter!
Al-Masudi's quote at the end struck a chord with me, if he only knew that that same plague of irrationalism would befall all that him & his peers accomplished during that era, so sad!
Another remarkable series from you @Caspianreport. Thank You for this. Very informative.
Even though Mongols invaded and occupied Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Turkey and so on, they imposed nothing on the peoples whom they came to rule over. Instead the Mongol rulers and Mongol settlers assimilated into the Arabic/Iranic/Turkic Islamic society, adopted the language, religion and culture, and their descendants took Arabic/Iranic/Turkic names.
Lol. The romanticization of Mongols is hilarious. They never imposed anything cos they literally had nothing to impose, except slaughter. They massacred, massacred & massacred. That's all.
I got the message of this series. Science was defeated by faith.
People talk of the need of Islam to undergo a reformation as Christianity did....
Seems like Islam had its reformation after destruction by the Mongols... it was just the opposite kind of reformation from what Christians experienced.
'Atheists' probably heard little of this topic, and are now commenting on this video as if they're experts.
Spot on 👌🤣
@@skepticalorganism7820 and what made you think we follow the sunna?
Skeptical Organism strawman
Salam Khan the Muslims have destroyed much over the world. This was Mongols over Arabs (who happened to be Muslim). In general, where most new conquerors added edifices and roads and public works, Alexander left libraries behind, the British built ports and canals, the Muslims left destroyed libraries, palaces, temples, and entire settlements. They looted, pillaged, killed, plundered, denuded, destroyed, and left barren ancient and irreplaceable peoples. From Tariq ibn-Ziyad to Salah din; Nader Shah to Timor Lane, their pride was the destruction of more civilized cultures and the loot of more successful traders.
Being an atheist doesn't make you historically illiterate.., I'm an atheist from Mongolia and I've read about the conquest of Baghdad in school as do most Mongolians..
Excellent video. And that quote at the end really is timeless. Science and reason are often in danger of being held hostage by faith and dogmatism. And while a society can achieve great things (Ancient Rome, Islam during its Golden Age, America in the Gilded Age) there is that specter in the background, ready to leap forth and seize the nation's mind and spirit.
This was an amazing series. I hope you do more like it in the future.
WOW!!!! Great job on all 5 parts!!!
There is a lesson to be learned here for those not blinded by hate and fear. Islam to this day is like an abused child, steeped in ignorance and aggression, itching to lash out. It still has not recovered from the mongols, and this is not something to be thankful for. Anyone who laments the lack of a renaissance or enlightenment within Islam needs to consider this story.
They are taking their time, the mongolian invasion happened centuries ago. Japan and Germany were both utterly destroyed after that second world war, yet right now Germany is by far the strongest country in the EU. I think Shirvan is right when he says it is to easy to blame it all on the mongols.
I'm not saying that it can all be blamed on the mongols, the reaction of the Islamic world to their conquest is just as key. But it should be noted that Japan and Germany were not nearly as "utterly destroyed" culturally as the Islamic world, they were also treated quite generously by the allies after they had surrendered and did not retreat into isolation. The differences are stark in these two scenarios.
+Jacob's Ladder i'll give you equivalent. Look at Communism see how much it destroyed in term of Culturally. And see now how much it take to recover. If there is only think to blame it is your own religion and yourselfs.
Wonderful to read something thoughtful, humane, and compassionate on this subject. Thanks! In another generation, I think we can all treat each other that way.
Misheel I agree that the Islamic world and its leaders are also very much to blame, I have acknowledged this already. I don't think Communism did as much to destroy culture though. The Mongols killed pretty much everyone in the main cultural centers of the region and then set the cities to the torch. Communists killed plenty of people, but didn't go quite this far.
Thanks Larry, but I don't think people will grow out of tribalism anytime soon. I am not really trying to make excuses for Islam here either. If a murderer was abused as a child it doesn't absolve him of his crimes, but it does put things in perspective.
And bm3racer, I disagree. The Ottomans were able to slow the decline, but they were only able to do this by playing all the volatile elements against one another in order to maintain control. This was an effective method for a while, but it ultimately exacerbated the problem when the central power dissipated.
we muslims today moved away from the path of truth and peace. We are blinded by the hatred of different ideas, thinking of modern era. Only if we keep learning, evolve and contribute positively to the world; we can be respected.
This is orientalist view. There were progress in scientific field in central Asia even in post timurid period. The Ottomans also promoted science but later scientific approach declined due to endless wars among the empire & against European empires.The reconquista,mongol invasion, timurid invasion,Mamluk- Ottoman clash,Safavid-Ottoman clash,Mughal - Safavid clash,decline of Silk route led to this fall.
Great series, keep it up
Mongol invasion of Korea also stopped Korea's scientific development but it didn't stopped Korea restarting their scientific development in 15th century and now. I think it's extremist of Muslim fundamentalists stopped Muslim world's scientific development.
Really the best, love your narration, the background and the professionalism of your content and work. Its so clear and cleanly presented. Keep it up, and keep producing more content. Really appreciate what you do.
Faith is not against science. What is against it is State Religion as it evolved both in Christianity and Islan. State religion is enforced by force and see individual or small groups thought as a threat. I can't talk for Islan but I assure you that State Roman Catholicism is not Christianity.
Great point, I learned that when I started to study history, even though before I though that religion was "the root of all evil", but it is certainly more complex than that, and it's more related to power and corruption that to religion itself, but damn, religion is such a good tool for blind followers, politics and demagoguery; it's a shame that it's used that way.
Still, God exists, the evidence is overwellming. Read the New Testament and ask God for guidance, directly, he don't need intermediaries.
Exactly its not the principles of faith , rather who implements them in which way? For example there is no stoning to death in the Quran , yet people disregard the Quran and look to create their own proof by fabricating fake hadith's and establishing their claim to do so based on the hadith! It is man that distorts faith or religion , all we have to do is read and look at history focus on the basics first n foremost!
true the 6th imam (jafar sadiq) of shia islam use to teach science n thoelogy to all shias n sunnis alike.
his father (muhamad baqir 5th imam) use to be taught greek philosophers by his father (zain u abidin 4th imam)
during their life time the rulers ummayads n abbasids were imposing their form of state religion theology n science were not their concern.
plus the 6th imam said he only wqants the shia youth tobe engaged in seeking scientific knowledge
Islan....?
That final quote about the Greeks and Romans is cool! History repeats itself.
@Tracchofyre Too bad that while they did that, they also stopped having children, letting the Christains outbred them...
In only fifty years South Korea rose from the ashes like a phoenix to become one of the earths most advanced nations. Look at Turkey until recently, they did fairly well to a certain extent. The difference between the developed world and between primitives is the way how they treat women and minorities, how they handle free trade, the school and the social system. Many factors contribute to a well doing nation. The explanations by these great video series aren't enough to fully answer the question why islamic nations do so badly in comparison.
Beautiful honest and clear
Kwarezmians would have had composite bows too, since their environment accounted for it. Also composite bows existed since 1200bc. Mongols won primarily due to their unique logistics and tactics.
Great content. This channel deserves more attention.
10.02 Mongol houses ended up converting to Islam.
Pikachu Pakau that means "royal" houses
Today people with Khan surname are muslims
Pikachu Pakau
Well mongols had the "follow your own religion" doctrine, so everyone worshipped how, and what they pleased.
I meant that they didn't force it on their conquered subjects. Or anyone really.
3 out of 4 mongol khanates later converted to Islam. So Islam had taken temporarily defeat as Baghdad was massacred, but it didn't turn that bad. Hulagu khan was later defeated by Egyptian mamlook which gave Muslims upper hand.
It wasn't Chinese engineers that Mongol hired, they hired Khitan and Jurchen engineers, I'm surprised that you don't know much about East asian history.
Fantastic work, well presented, I hope one day the Middle East will rise again, and I hope we get to live in a more peaceful world , I hope it will be so peaceful to the point where it's so rare to find negative comment on a TH-cam video.
I don't hear well and the CCs were not available...would love to hear (see) this report.
These series of videos it's simply gorgeous insightful knowledege
You are brilliant Shirvan. From one historian/foreign policy guy to another.
"Science was defeated by faith " great words,Shirvan u r wonderful always
Science was defeated by faith
Says a hindu !!
Religion will never lead us anywhere worth traveling. Reason and acceptance are the only path to a more prosperous future.
Always Highly proud to your video
Salam from me, in Indonesia
Or you are stung by the truth of Islam.
How else would Islam enter the hearts of the Mongols who themselves became the bastions of Islam?
Proof of Creator in Islam is a rational one, Proof of Islam is via the Miraculous nature of the Qur'an.
Only the primitive deny rational proofs.
Hey you listen!
Islam never enter a nation, but that nation become leading in the World. Ask for Arab, Persian, Egypt, Spain, India, Turk, and us Indonesia.
We now in struggle, because we left our religion, and left science also.
Just recognize if muslim family are very harmony then other religion.
I respect other religion, but not such arrogance as you Volven
I never predict that my simple greeting replied by your insult about our religion.
If, that argument about netherland, my argument is about Gaza Palestinian that take back Zionist with stick and stone.
Muslim in war, usually fewer, poor, less experience, etc as when we conquere Palestine in first war with Byzantine. But we, when we hold our religion, we can win as now Hamas win.
Just watch, which religion will heritage this world in future.
Still, i will always respect other religion, as my religion told us.
Maybe this is my last replied to you, i cant spend out all my time with one who ambitious winning debate, not discuss...
Those who yearn for the past and the greatness that was, just know that nothing lasts forever. No entity can maintain the pinnacle of anything for very long. A golden age is just that, one golden age.
Have heart that Islam produced amazing thinkers and thinking during its Golden Age. Without the great contributions made to rationalism, the Age of Enlightenment and the development of Science/Calculus would never have occurred in Europe.
Have hope that in the future the way of rationalism will spread throughout the world, and no religion or ethnic group will be able to ignore the inevitable.
Foe me as moslim im more frustrated about the theologiest that banned the rationalism. And wich is still to this day in practice.
I binge watched this series. I had this doubt for soo long. Now its clear. Thanks. subbd.
I really liked your end conclusion to a important and ambitious topic. One of your best works to date.
An indepth and interesting series. I really enjoyed learning about islam from a different perspective. Keep it up mate.
Wow, powerful last words. "Science was defeated by faith"
Sad indeed.
My gosh, this is just like the destruction of the Library of Alexandria.
@erick meyer NO by Julius Ceaser
What is the name of the movie from which you got this clips? It looks amazing.
@9:30 Documents were "thrown in the Euphrates".. Actually Baghdad is on the Tigris, not Euphrates ...
sbak030 yeah it straddles the Tigris but it's still only 40 miles from the Euphrates
":D well spotted lol, luckily it is quite a minor mistake
@mirthfulbuddha Why would they take all the books and manuscripts 40 miles from Baghdad , while they could simply toss them in the Tigris. Al-mustanseria school (where the house of wisdom was likely located) is right next to the river !
Maybe the Mongols wanted to read some stuff before tossing things away and used the Euphrates as an excuse to walk a long way? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
THey couldnt read. Ghengis kahn was illiterate. ISomeone should write a story about some breakoff mongols stealing some of the books and conquering a town and setting up a super advanced society in secret
I watched the entire series, offers a very good overview. Good Job! Nicely done
Finally the final part of this series, thank you Shirvan
Excellent series. Clear, concise and objective. Thanks.
The ultimate crime against humanity.
thank you very much brother! I wish if there could be more people to listen to us
Mongol in the past were very different, used to be strong and fierce.
soyon wandering because of buddism
Dear Shirvan and Caspian Report,
What is the source of these historical reenactments used in this series? Also, thank you for shining more light on our ignorance . . . .
Science is creativity..Creativity is like pregnancy..It happens ...And it goes...Science has happened in every civilization.. Mesopotamia..Greek..Roman..Persian..Indian..Chinese..Babylonian..Egyptian..Islamic science happened when they settled instead of conquering lands...But it collapsed when they were conquered..
Thank you sir for such deep and insightful series.
This is such a great series man. Well done.
Fantastic video Shirvan. Great narrative and analysis.
Thank you, this was very informative - I would a comprehensive book reference on the subject
One question:
If Mongols were smart enough to capture and utilize Chinese technologies and their engineers, why did they destroy the books, literature and libraries of Muslims and thus wasting that important treasure of knowledge?
bcs deus vult that is why !!!
They used Chinese technology of warfare
They didn't care about other things
The Mongols also destroyed the Chinese civilization
Thank you for these episodes. They were insightful.
Science in Islam ~ Earth is Flat
What an amazing video, very well researched and presented. Continue the amazing work you do.
Great!! More of these kinds of historical series please!!!!!!!
I will soon too begin similar educational videos.Wish me well
@CaspianReport: Hey Shirvan! Thank you for the content. I wonder if you can give me a link to the song you used in this video. I tried to find this performance in youtube, but I couldn’t find it. Thank you.
Hats off for this amazing video Shirvan
A nice conclusion to the series. Much appreciated.
Sort of glossed over in this video is that the mongol rule was one of the fastest periods of globalization and increase trade.
Oh great set of videos I agree with most of it up appreciate a lot of the peculiar a little details although I do have some slight criticisms and wish you were never clarified couple things but all in all it’s tough
Great video series!
Interesting part about the (physical) destruction of scientific institutions and literature begins at 9:20, later than also about intellectual. Lives nearly up to the first part of the series, meaning it talks actually about science and not only about political history!
I wonder why Shirvan did not mention that when the Arabs conquered Iran they burnt all the Sasanid libraries and destroyed Jondishapour university but when it came to Mongols he did mention it. A bit dishonest.
may Allah bless you, Caspian bro, videos like yours show the true non-biased view of Islam and Muslims ;) #BlessedToBeBornAMuslim
This was a beautiful video, fantastic work! Any chance you could put links to sources in the video description? :)
St. Thomas Aquinas rejected Averroes which held that there is a double truth, that of philosophy and that of theology. He was a follower of Aristotle to the extent that Aristotelian didn't contradict Catholic teaching. The fact is that he didn't trust the translations of Aristotle via Arabic translations, and he had a Dominican Friar translate Aristotle directly from Greek.
Mongols r the greatest. They put pounds on islam. A deadly blow
Could you please tell me which version of Sarı Gelin you used for this video?
Great video...how much research and accurary you have....
Fascinating, thank you and Salaam from Australia.
As our use of science, technology, rationalism and materialism now threaten to destroy the world in may ways, at least on the ecological level, and is helping us all degenerate as cultures and societies and happy people on the more personal level, one is left to wonder if Al Ghazali maybe had a point, even if his Platonism did spell the end of the Islamic Golden Age.
Amazing keep the videos coming!
Amazing,thank you.
great work! really appreciate your reports.
that said it sounded at the end of this video as if faith and science are contradictory. in Quranic Arabic because of the way Arabic is built, there isn't one word for science. Belief on the other hand is generally translated as "iman" where in fact it is always associated with the word "bi" , meaning " a secured and trusted way in obtaining .. from .. ".
Trust is more of a probabilistic approach, and depends heavily on one's perspectives and perception.
....this term IMAN must needs take COGNITION
...also,he cannot be persecuted for reporting Islamic history as it actually worked out for the Muslims.The muslims did prefer the religious sciences above the more rational/natural sciences as neatly described by that daring historian,al-Masudi,when asked what the reason for the decline of Rome and Greece were.
Keep up the good work Caspianreport
this is deep insight in the past and a light to understand what is happening now.
Where can I get that version of Sari Gelin?
Thank you bro! I watch all your videos
That almasudi quote is gold. And eerie.
Where did you get it?
Absolutely fascinating and insightful series! Well done!
I think ... Science was defeated by State Religion (Ego driven Religious teaching) ... cos Faith is de fundamental driving force behind Science ... and surprisingly ... Religion too ...
Fantastic work as always.
Shirvan is spot on the economic impacts of the Mongol invasions...
Great video
Alot of roman and greek texts survived not only because of Arabs but also because of being stored in Byzantium. Codex Justinianus, which forms the basis of most roman civil law in the world is a good example.
i am shocked how many ignorants post their rants about islam while they know nothing about Arabic grammar . Quran was written in Arabic for a reason. the crappy translations to other languages caused the misconceptions. Arabic as a language is complex and one word can have multiple meanings that are completely different. you can never find a person who studied Arabic grammar insults Quran. the book itself is masterpiece grammatically . till now, no one could solve it’s complexity.
If I could make a time machine, I would go and bring all those books back.
Who’s in???
For now, I don’t care what each side believed in.
GREAT WORK SHIRVAN, GREAT WORK 👍🏼.
What an intro. So relevant to today.
is it possible to find upload your scripts to your videos and your sources also?
Mu'tazilism movement was started by Wasil ibn Ata, a student of Abd-Allah ibn Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah, the grandson of Ali ibn Abi Talib. So in fact, the Mu'tazilah had learned from an Alid tutor and Mu'tazilism was not so much incorporated into Shi'a Islam but in actual fact, since the intellectual root of both was the same, viz. Ali Ibn Abi Talib and his thoughts passed onto his descendents one of whom was the tutor of Wasil ibn' Aata the founder of the movement.
Actually. .the demise of Islamic golden age came from within. When a Democratic system as Khilafa Rashida was removed.
The Umayyad and Abbasid kingdoms were only profiting of what was achieved during The prophet Muhammad (pbuh) & Rashidun Era .