FRAGE AN DIE COMMUNITY: Wünschen Sie sich einen deutsche Buchbesprechung? Wir dachten bisher, dass das ohne deutsche Version des Buches unnütz sei, aber anscheinend gibt es den Wunsch zumindest vereinzelt doch?
That makes sense for a print house to translate the shit in "Scheiße" after this video. Regardless which language you'd choose to translate the shit will smell the same cause that is the purpose of a good translation. A review should let you save money for the books worth reading and buying. Anyway, great to see you back On the channel after "holiday break" I guess.
Deutsch oder zumindest mit deutschem Untertitel wäre schon schön, auch bei englischer Literatur. Ist einfach leichter, vor allem bei technischen Sachen, dem dann zu folgen selbst wenn man ganz gut Englisch kann.
Ein verwendetes nicht-1000-Worte-Englisch Wort im Video ist z .B. "pubtalk" ( www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pubtalk ) - "Pubtalk is when your out in a pub drinking with friends/people and you agree to something that you normally wouldn't when sober"
I think after watching this review, they should understand what "vernichtend" means. ouch. Very much appreciated the corrections and showing better examples from Ralf.
It really sounds like someone just cut'n'pasted some threads from the NA WoT forum... All that's missing is Wehraboo apologism, then it'll be complete.
What a great idea for a video series. Yes it is about book reviews, good and bad, but the real delight in this video is Ralf's ability to raise questions about subjects in the books and use this video as an education tool. This is part of the function of the museum. Well done. Please do more.
I really liked this talk. The knowledgeable assessment this of “poor” book highlights the problem of falling standards and a rush to make a quick profit. Advantage is being taken of beginners joining our hobby. Myths are being prolonged, and the lack of research means that many mistakes are being made. Simple books for beginners are needed but they must at least give an accurate foundation. Well done to the Panzermuseum!
I completely agree with your asessment. In my own field - Crimean War - there is the same problem. Publishers being bascially a printers, with editors who are not specialists in their subjects and who expect print-read manuscripts, all fact-checked etc upon submission, with the editor taking a very minor role in the process. Authors aren't equipped with the appropriate tools to do the research and editors aren't engaged in the writing process. That and publishers who publish any old crank theory because it's 'contraversial' and thus sells books. It's all very worrying.
I just watched until 17:22 and the distribution shown made me genuinely laugh without watching any further. Forget Kursk. Japanese tankettes. That's our focus!
hey Japanese Tanklettes are quite cute to look at (these days). Though I agree they should probably not be a focus of a book that serves as a general overview of tank history.
@@zafranorbian757 After this review I assume that Japanese tank design isn't even fleshed out here. Just how US forces won on the pacific theatre thanks to their tank forces (and not lets say the navy)
@@jacobnion2525 "After the US fleet had been completely and utterly destroyed at Pearl Harbor, the US quickly built a bunch of Sherman snorkel tanks, which took just over one year to drive across the bottom of the ocean to Japan. Having arrived at the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they hid a top-secret nuclear device in each of them and snuck back off. Once they were safe and sound back in San Francisco, they pushed their remote control buttons, the devices went boom and the war was won." I'm telling you, this book review is very inspiring for all the wrong reasons. Well, and one right reason: well done Ralf! :D
So this book is less useful to research then that weird ass Anime with historic tanks being used at a pre-teen girl's school. In a way that's impressive
The late Oscar Gilbert, he passed away this year, is a retired USMC Reservist, and on his official Amazon Bio stated that he was focused on USMC History. So, yes I can see his bias in this book, especially seeing more on the Pacific Battles in WW2. Looking at his bibliography most of them focus USMC stuff. Also I wonder how much was the publisher. Personally I've steered away from Mister Gilbert's work has a had a few run in with him in online forums, and found his rather close minded and arrogant.
A very fine lesson about badly written, poorly researched, and not fact checked work. Some of these books make me believe there are no such things as editors anymore.
In my experience with print publishing these days, I would say that a good editor or an editor at all is a rare thing. Publishers want print-ready manuscripts, fact checked, pretty much editted upon submission and the editor has a tiny input, merely comissioning and typing errors. It's very frustrating and some awful books are being published as a result. There's a lack of proper research by the author and editors who know their subject or their job!
I was born in the USSR, moved to US, served as a M1A1 tanker in the Army, and now I am watching this video. Life is amazing. I was stationed in Germany in 2006, and I loved it. I wish i would have made it to the museum. I have this book in my collection, and i didn't enjoy reading it either
The Pacific Theatre was clearly vital in tank history. "After the US fleet had been completely and utterly destroyed at Pearl Harbor, the US quickly built a bunch of Sherman snorkel tanks, which took just over one year to drive across the bottom of the ocean to Japan. Having arrived at the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they hid a top-secret nuclear device in each of them and snuck back off. Once they were safe and sound back in San Francisco, they pushed their remote control buttons, the devices went boom and the war was won." I'm telling you, this book review is very inspiring for all the wrong reasons. Well, and one right reason: well done Ralf! :D
Ha - good take on that. All that is missing is an explanation of the enormous strategic and tactical importance of crayons in the pacific war, told in detail over 15 pages ;) But on the bright side: For the topic of tank warfare&developement "Deathtraps" is regarding to facts and thruth no longer the most unreliable book known - at least to me XD
That awkward moment when you can find better, more reliable information on TH-cam than in written books. I think channels like yours and the Chieftain's do a great job of introducing people to armor.
this is the exact same reason why nothing should be taken for a fact at all. People love to end an argument on "well, best sources are books you need to read some" and i was always like... why ? Why exactly ? Alot of historical books have huge value, but you should always remind yourself of that it was written by Humans and they lie constantly and are always subjective.
Of course you can find more and better info on TH-cam; it's a platform where anyone can post facts as they know them, and anyone else can challenge them on those facts. Whereas most people can't just publish a book (especially the further back we go in time). The bigger the platform - the more knowledge and better the chance of someone with actual knowledge calling out someone else for spreading deceitful bias. That's why people that believe books have more merit than anything on the internet are ridiculous.
@@ezkiller93 you should question both. Not that its even easier to spread fake knowledge through the internet. Also Deepfake is a real fucking thing now, a real dangerous thing aswell and it already is in use. At this point Information is never reliable, if you didnt witness it yourself. 1984 is actually here, for real at this point.
There are no mistakes, these are alternative facts. Ein geschätzter Professor meinte während meines Studiums: Manchmal muss man selber die Bücher schreiben, die man sich zu einem Thema wünscht.
Todd Moss got a book on the Yamato class Battleship that is pretty much badly lifted photos from other books and google and all the Imperial Japanese navy wiki pages.
Well, this series won't go very far if you don't know russian. Want to see bad pseudohistorical books? Look no further then what was published after the fall of USSR in many former states including Russia itself. EVERYONE was trying to either write a history of how great they were or how the government was covering something up. And while they raped history, tanks were unfortunate casualties too. Want to hear a story about American M6 being a copy of T-28? Well, that's the crap you can expect to find:D
Yeah, same stuff with Erdogan and Turkey. Since Erdogan, it seems the turks have invented everything from the car to the plane. But same here if you want to talk seriously about how the Wehrmacht was technologically not way ahead of the allies... I don't understand nationalists. What do they get out of all this bullshit?
Amazing, I hadn't read the book had seen it on bookshop shelves. Sounds like a very bias and shoddily written book. Stunned to find I have a better broader understanding of 20th century tank Warfare than these authors.
Actually, I have a PERFECT topic for you to look at, sir. Could you please take a look the two WW2 memoirs by a certain “Wolfgang Faust” (“Tiger Tracks”, and “The Last Panther”, I believe) they both appear to be works of fiction posing as memoirs and it would be a great pleasure to see you analyse them and speak about it. Thank you.
"The German victory in France was the consummation of the unfulfilled American armored warfare plan from the last war" That made me laugh out loud. Sounds like some kind of banter.
Regretfully, the US is going through a phase where we are consuming information that makes us feel good, as opposed to desiring truth. It's a problem. This publisher is using this characteristic to sell books.
Thanks for staying as calm as you did during this review :-) I have sometimes ranted to friends about atrocious books like this, and once I get started with the insults and mistakes, it's hard to stop. Somehow you managed to keep your disgust under control and keep laying out the facts, and I kept on watching, partly to see if you ever blew your top -- that you never did was a slight disappointment, but I'm glad you kept on reviewing instead.
This popped in my recommendations and watched the whole thing. Tanks aren't a thing that interest me greatly, but this was enjoyable and didn't feel like 40 minutes. Well made representation. Danke!
As someone who loves military history and also spent 11 yrs in the US army (2000-2011), I'm really happy I watched this video because now I know not to read this book. It sounds like it is for people who know very little about tanks and armored warfare to begin with, but it even screws that up lol. I could have wrote a much better book lol. Everyone knows that during the first World War that the US didn't play a huge role in tank warfare and didn't actually start to become a real player until the second World War. Also why would the author spend so much time writing about tank battles in the Pacific when the real tank fighting was happening on the Eastern and Western fronts!
Thankyou, Ralf. This review actually made me laugh (though I understand your frustration). I look forward to more of your reviews, of both good and bad books.
I have a copy of this book. It is a good example of why enthusiastic amateurs, a geoscientist and some guy from the south of France, write something they know very little about.
Your absolutely correct about The role the united states played in tank technology and it's exaggeration in the book. The authors were probably pandering to the American consumer to the point of inaccuracy. This is often a problem in much of the military history text available in my country. I am constantly amazed at the amount of literature written regarding the United States' roll in World War One when one considers that the AEF played its most active part in the last three months of the war and with progressively staggering casually rates. Most Americans just accept that our dough boys won the war. I sometimes counter this by stating that if America sent 250,000 beagle puppies a month to France, they would eventually win the war (probably with fewer casualties). Along the same argument, our heavy industry was able to produce a staggering 45,000 Sherman into Europe and could produce a rate of two tanks an hour at its most productive. The average American sees that statistic as justification for assuring that the US was the prime mover of tank technology in World War Two. I guess huge amounts of adequate trumps all other innovation. Really quite sad if you think about it.
Eine Buchbesprechung eines englischsprachigen (hier vermeintlichen) Fachbuchs auf Deutsch? Wenn ich die Besprechung schon auf Deutsch benötige, wie sollte ich dann anschließend mit dem Englischen Text zurecht kommen? Eine 'Neuverfilmung' auf Deutsch wäre eine Resourcen- AKA Lebenszeitvernichtung, welche der Rezensent anderweitig besser nutzen kann, und sollte. Deshalb dazu ein deuts(li)ches Nö!
The authors do things that are done by today's politicians, kind of a new fashion: Take your personal opinion, mix it with wishful thinking and ignore all facts that contradict your version.
Rolf is a man who understands righteous furry. I love the fact that he can become so incensed by false information that he felt compelled to create this video. More power to you Rolf and I hope we see more material from you.
It's funny that they call the interwar period a time of stagnation. Well, how do they think we got from the unreliable WW1 tanks used as "trench busters" to actual tank divisions and combined warfare? Did WW2 start and everyone was like: Oh shit, we need faster, more reliable, better armored and more independent tanks? And then boom, suddenly T34, Panther and Tiger appear :D Who in their right mind would call the progression from the A7V to the Panzer 3/4 (on the German side) a time of stagnation? :D
The more I listen to Ralf the more I am impressed, more of the same please. I was astonished to learn that the British had been experimenting with combined arms before the Wehrmacht. Off to investigate, I will put money Liddell Hart was involved.
Mr Raths, thank you for this book review. Your passion for history is wonderful, and although this book frustrated you, I hope you realize what a teachable moment this was. I think you successfully took what you saw as a negative and not only corrected but emphasized important pieces of history and information. Bravo!
I have a book called "Tanks - A History of Armoured Warfare" written by Robin Cross and David Willey for the Tank Museum in Bovington. Having read through it a couple of times I'd definitely say it's a good beginners book that covers both the tanks themselves, the history of their creation (why, where, how), and what the people using and seeing them on the battlefield thought. Would definitely recommend.
moin ich sage nur der Chef muss es selber machen ein buch von ihnen währe was , Co Autor Dipl.-Ing. Rolf Hilmes, das geld währe jetzt schon überwiesen ohne zögern
I’m an American (US) and when I seen those graphs, especially when it comes to World War II, I was completely dumbfounded. I’ll say this: I’m not an expert in warfare and I don’t know very much at all about WWI. I do know a lot more about WWII. To see that most of WWII tanks is focused mostly on the Pacific, is completely beyond me. I think, and correct me if I’m wrong, that more tanks were used in Africa than the pacific. Most tanks and thus most tank battles were fought in Europe. As I said, I’m no expert and even I know that.
My 2¢ worth: In the First Battle of France (1940), the Germans unloaded Combined Arms on the Dutch, Belgians, French & British. In the Second Battle of France (1944), the Germans were on the receiving end of Combined Arms, Allied Style. Another lesson: yes, the Germans will attack through the Ardennes!
Thanks! That was incredibly amusing, as someone who has spent some 10 years in a German university (we did a "find at least 10 errors" in Wolfram Pyta's book on Hindenburg [a monograph that seems to be a gazillion things better than this monstrosity]) I completely understand where you are coming from. Seriously - I honestly have come to the conclusion they did all of their "research" by watching History Channel - that's why there *can* *be* *no* *sources* and this also fully explains the weird weighting of topics and the propagandistic slant ;). And you're absolutely *certain* that this is not a stealth parody? ;) Best regards Raoul G. Kunz
I love watching US Civil War, WW1, and WW2 content on TH-cam. This was very much appreciated and I eagerly anticipate more English content in the future, if you make it!
It should be said about American doctrine that in a sense it was the polar opposite of the myth: the tank destroyers were explicitly forbidden to chase after enemy tanks, because they didn't have the armour to go one on one with them. If you could dash to an ambush position and prepare an ambush, sure, that was the role of the TD arm. But when you're doing a spearhead against a German position, the TD arm should flippin' stay back.
Vieldn Dank für das Video. Es macht leider den Eindruck, das die Vorbereitung dieses Videos mehrAufwand gemacht hat als die Rechereche für dieses Buch.
I don't know why they didn't mass produce them. Forget the tigers and panthers, t-34s, Sherman's and IS tanks, all of them would have been rendered pointless by Bob Semples storming the battlefields. Could have changed world history, the cold war may have never happened, such a wasted opportunity 😢😢😢
Well, it has been argued that the Bob Semple was one of the most successful tank designs in history - since a tank should always be judged by whether or not it achieved its design goals. The design goal for the Bob Semple was to create publicity, and it achieved this beyond its creators' wildest dreams.
@@rogerman65 You can look for their other work at amazon. www.amazon.com/Romain-V-Cansiere/e/B01J4F06VO/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_1 www.amazon.com/Oscar-E.-Gilbert/e/B001JP9YWU/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_0
@@Gravey91 Then maybe he should have stayed away from the subject of tanks altogether. And the other guy should have corrected the agronomic if he would have known what da hell, anything. Of course you are a patriot and you are trying to save Another patriotic fellow from the same country. But com'on? Sometimes you have to let some people get eaten by the Wolfes because they cannot cut it, even if that other guy is a member of your own tribe. Here you have two. It's not like the guy in the video is saying that "All Americans are hacks!" One of the greatest tacticians in the World was American. He constructed the American helicopter tactics in the Vietnam war. Just brilliant!
@@Gravey91 If you are not familiar with this helicopter tactics by the American tactician you would probably be inclined to Believe that the tactics were shit based on the American losses. But it was not within the American helicopter tactician's Power to affect the limitations that helicopters had against an enemy like the North Vietnamese that operated from Another arena. That makes it difficult to compare efficiency with their different tactics. It is like comparing pears with apples. Of course there is artillery involved in this tactics.
I think I only have one or two of Oscar Gilbert's books. He is a former Marine and most of his books on tanks focus on US Marine tank combat. This probably explains the inappropriate fixation on the Pacific campaign noted in your review. When it comes to former US marines writing on tanks, I would recommend Ken Estes as a more reliable author.
Deutsche Untertitel reichen da vollkommen und sind auch tatsächlich kein Hexenwerk. So viele Korrekturen beim Text sind nicht nötig, gleich welches Tool benutzt wird. Danke schonmal und bitte weiter so.
Will you please create a Playlist with all of your English videos? I love your content and it would be great if I could find all your English videos in one location. Thank you and keep up the great work.
I appreciate your frustration with the US bias. The rest of the world must find it hard to imagine how little Americans know or care about what goes on outside their borders. I would refer you to the character of their current government as the perfect reflection of this trait. You might not be aware that that WWII started on Dec 7 1942. That unpleasantness in Poland didn't really count. D-Day occurred on Omaha Beach and the Russians will be surprised to know that the good ol' US of A defeated Germany. There were some others involved but they aren't worth mentioning. Thanks for the excellent book review.
DasPanzermuseum, what do you think about the book "Armoured Warfare" by Alaric Searle? Perhaps this title does a better job of giving a relatively concise overview of the history of tank warfare? (Edit: this is what happens when you post before watching the entire video)
I am more knowledgeable in the field of firearms than tanks, but even I know that the Pacific theater played little in the development of the tank. There was no real battle of the Gilbert Islands, it was a campaign to take back Japanese held islands, basically being the first set of island chains to be taken during the US Island-hopping campaign. I don’t understand why such a campaign would get that big of a mention, since the biggest and most well known land assault on the Gilbert Islands was Tarawa, which isn’t known for being a tank battle.
I'll stir it up some more. The US strategy was more focused on Naval and Air Power than a large Army. It was (is) much more of an Expeditionary Force viewpoint.
Wow, I think The Mighty Jingles would call this" A paddling" :) On one hand, I feel like laughing my a** off for the fact that an amateur like me seems to know more about tank development than those two guys, but on the other I feel like weeping for the people out there who have/will bought/buy this book. Anyway, good job and keep those reviews coming (in German or English, I'm fine with each one)
Re the statement about surplus tanks in the US hindering development, Canada bought 236 M1917 in 1940 as scrap, but used them as training tanks www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/Canada/canadian-m1917-light-tank.php Likely this was what the book refers to.
The part of Americain doctrine about: Tanks not fighting tanks was explained in long by The Chieftain in his video Myths about Americain Armor in 2015, and he even quotes the operational manual if I recall correctly. Great review btw! th-cam.com/video/bNjp_4jY8pY/w-d-xo.html
I agree. The book is garbage. I picked up a copy towards the end of a brief visit to Sydney, Australia and was appalled when I finally got around to reading it. At least it was relatively cheap to purchase!
A perfect example where (popular) conceptions of history can take you when disguised as a thematical introduction. Unbelievable what is stated there. Thank you for the in depth review and explanations why the book is flawed as a whole.
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FRAGE AN DIE COMMUNITY: Wünschen Sie sich einen deutsche Buchbesprechung? Wir dachten bisher, dass das ohne deutsche Version des Buches unnütz sei, aber anscheinend gibt es den Wunsch zumindest vereinzelt doch?
That makes sense for a print house to translate the shit in "Scheiße" after this video.
Regardless which language you'd choose to translate the shit will smell the same cause that is the purpose of a good translation.
A review should let you save money for the books worth reading and buying.
Anyway, great to see you back On the channel after "holiday break" I guess.
Untertitlel sollten eigentlich reichen finde Ich.
Nein, Englisch passt schon. :)
Deutsch oder zumindest mit deutschem Untertitel wäre schon schön, auch bei englischer Literatur. Ist einfach leichter, vor allem bei technischen Sachen, dem dann zu folgen selbst wenn man ganz gut Englisch kann.
Ein verwendetes nicht-1000-Worte-Englisch Wort im Video ist z .B. "pubtalk" ( www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pubtalk ) - "Pubtalk is when your out in a pub drinking with friends/people and you agree to something that you normally wouldn't when sober"
I think after watching this review, they should understand what "vernichtend" means. ouch. Very much appreciated the corrections and showing better examples from Ralf.
So....a book full of tank forum posts?
It really sounds like someone just cut'n'pasted some threads from the NA WoT forum... All that's missing is Wehraboo apologism, then it'll be complete.
What a great idea for a video series. Yes it is about book reviews, good and bad, but the real delight in this video is Ralf's ability to raise questions about subjects in the books and use this video as an education tool. This is part of the function of the museum. Well done. Please do more.
I really liked this talk.
The knowledgeable assessment this of “poor” book highlights the problem of falling standards and a rush to make a quick profit. Advantage is being taken of beginners joining our hobby. Myths are being prolonged, and the lack of research means that many mistakes are being made. Simple books for beginners are needed but they must at least give an accurate foundation.
Well done to the Panzermuseum!
Thank you very much; much appreciated! /RR
I completely agree with your asessment. In my own field - Crimean War - there is the same problem. Publishers being bascially a printers, with editors who are not specialists in their subjects and who expect print-read manuscripts, all fact-checked etc upon submission, with the editor taking a very minor role in the process. Authors aren't equipped with the appropriate tools to do the research and editors aren't engaged in the writing process. That and publishers who publish any old crank theory because it's 'contraversial' and thus sells books. It's all very worrying.
Shitty books have always existed.
What hobby?
I just watched until 17:22 and the distribution shown made me genuinely laugh without watching any further.
Forget Kursk. Japanese tankettes. That's our focus!
hey Japanese Tanklettes are quite cute to look at (these days). Though I agree they should probably not be a focus of a book that serves as a general overview of tank history.
@@zafranorbian757 After this review I assume that Japanese tank design isn't even fleshed out here. Just how US forces won on the pacific theatre thanks to their tank forces (and not lets say the navy)
@@jacobnion2525 What is this "navy" you speak of? Maritime transport and logistics branch for TANKS?
@@jacobnion2525 "After the US fleet had been completely and utterly destroyed at Pearl Harbor, the US quickly built a bunch of Sherman snorkel tanks, which took just over one year to drive across the bottom of the ocean to Japan. Having arrived at the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they hid a top-secret nuclear device in each of them and snuck back off. Once they were safe and sound back in San Francisco, they pushed their remote control buttons, the devices went boom and the war was won."
I'm telling you, this book review is very inspiring for all the wrong reasons. Well, and one right reason: well done Ralf! :D
So this book is less useful to research then that weird ass Anime with historic tanks being used at a pre-teen girl's school. In a way that's impressive
At least Tank girls is entertaining and fun.
Or Kerberos Panzer Corps.
dirkbonesteel Girls und Panzer is a great Anime but I got your point
The late Oscar Gilbert, he passed away this year, is a retired USMC Reservist, and on his official Amazon Bio stated that he was focused on USMC History. So, yes I can see his bias in this book, especially seeing more on the Pacific Battles in WW2. Looking at his bibliography most of them focus USMC stuff. Also I wonder how much was the publisher. Personally I've steered away from Mister Gilbert's work has a had a few run in with him in online forums, and found his rather close minded and arrogant.
Unsurprising.
>Reservist
Not even a proper soldier by all standards, not mentioning tankman. But this explains why there was so much emphasis on Pacific front
@@WIACZO According to his Obituary he was an Artilleryman.
A very fine lesson about badly written, poorly researched, and not fact checked work. Some of these books make me believe there are no such things as editors anymore.
In my experience with print publishing these days, I would say that a good editor or an editor at all is a rare thing. Publishers want print-ready manuscripts, fact checked, pretty much editted upon submission and the editor has a tiny input, merely comissioning and typing errors. It's very frustrating and some awful books are being published as a result. There's a lack of proper research by the author and editors who know their subject or their job!
These must have been the type of people they consulted when making shitty History Channel documentaries.
Have you seen the news latley ... 😂 not just books most media is shite
The british, inventors of the tank: "nah not that important"
The US, which had no domestic tank in the entirety of WW1: "oh yeah"
It makes me think that the authors were aiming at the American market by flattering the audience.
@@Wien1938 Market and/or current president. ;)
@@DepiproLong before the current president, there were books that appealed to this market... ;)
@@Wien1938 I'd have been surprised if there weren't; even so, a figurehead was added to the (lack of) movement.
Well, they did barely produce the M1917 and M1918, but the former didn’t see any combat and the latter never really saw service.
22.35 "This is so wrong, it makes me slightly mad" - that is just such a German turn of expression! XD (enjoying the review!)
"That's unforgivable."
I was born in the USSR, moved to US, served as a M1A1 tanker in the Army, and now I am watching this video. Life is amazing. I was stationed in Germany in 2006, and I loved it. I wish i would have made it to the museum. I have this book in my collection, and i didn't enjoy reading it either
The Pacific Theatre was clearly vital in tank history.
"After the US fleet had been completely and utterly destroyed at Pearl Harbor, the US quickly built a bunch of Sherman snorkel tanks, which took just over one year to drive across the bottom of the ocean to Japan. Having arrived at the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they hid a top-secret nuclear device in each of them and snuck back off. Once they were safe and sound back in San Francisco, they pushed their remote control buttons, the devices went boom and the war was won."
I'm telling you, this book review is very inspiring for all the wrong reasons. Well, and one right reason: well done Ralf! :D
Ha - good take on that. All that is missing is an explanation of the enormous strategic and tactical importance of crayons in the pacific war, told in detail over 15 pages ;)
But on the bright side: For the topic of tank warfare&developement "Deathtraps" is regarding to facts and thruth no longer the most unreliable book known - at least to me XD
That awkward moment when you can find better, more reliable information on TH-cam than in written books. I think channels like yours and the Chieftain's do a great job of introducing people to armor.
this is the exact same reason why nothing should be taken for a fact at all. People love to end an argument on "well, best sources are books you need to read some" and i was always like... why ? Why exactly ? Alot of historical books have huge value, but you should always remind yourself of that it was written by Humans and they lie constantly and are always subjective.
Of course you can find more and better info on TH-cam; it's a platform where anyone can post facts as they know them, and anyone else can challenge them on those facts. Whereas most people can't just publish a book (especially the further back we go in time). The bigger the platform - the more knowledge and better the chance of someone with actual knowledge calling out someone else for spreading deceitful bias. That's why people that believe books have more merit than anything on the internet are ridiculous.
@@ezkiller93 you should question both. Not that its even easier to spread fake knowledge through the internet. Also Deepfake is a real fucking thing now, a real dangerous thing aswell and it already is in use. At this point Information is never reliable, if you didnt witness it yourself. 1984 is actually here, for real at this point.
There are no mistakes, these are alternative facts.
Ein geschätzter Professor meinte während meines Studiums: Manchmal muss man selber die Bücher schreiben, die man sich zu einem Thema wünscht.
“You just need to copy and paste it from Wikipedia” Brilliant!!
Todd Moss got a book on the Yamato class Battleship that is pretty much badly lifted photos from other books and google and all the Imperial Japanese navy wiki pages.
Well, this series won't go very far if you don't know russian. Want to see bad pseudohistorical books? Look no further then what was published after the fall of USSR in many former states including Russia itself. EVERYONE was trying to either write a history of how great they were or how the government was covering something up. And while they raped history, tanks were unfortunate casualties too. Want to hear a story about American M6 being a copy of T-28? Well, that's the crap you can expect to find:D
Yeah, same stuff with Erdogan and Turkey. Since Erdogan, it seems the turks have invented everything from the car to the plane.
But same here if you want to talk seriously about how the Wehrmacht was technologically not way ahead of the allies... I don't understand nationalists. What do they get out of all this bullshit?
@@Rauschgenerator If it werent for them, there probably would be no tanks to talk about...
Amazing, I hadn't read the book had seen it on bookshop shelves. Sounds like a very bias and shoddily written book. Stunned to find I have a better broader understanding of 20th century tank Warfare than these authors.
Actually, I have a PERFECT topic for you to look at, sir. Could you please take a look the two WW2 memoirs by a certain “Wolfgang Faust” (“Tiger Tracks”, and “The Last Panther”, I believe) they both appear to be works of fiction posing as memoirs and it would be a great pleasure to see you analyse them and speak about it. Thank you.
The last panther.. with an IS3 lol
"The German victory in France was the consummation of the unfulfilled American armored warfare plan from the last war" That made me laugh out loud. Sounds like some kind of banter.
Billy Mitchell looked down upon him!
22:30 - 23:00 Der akademische Furor einer ganzen Zunft spricht dort gebündelt durch Herrn Raths! Leibhaftige Gerechtigkeit !!! 10/10 !
Thank you for making this video in English, I really enjoyed this book review, I hope you will do more of them in the future!
Regretfully, the US is going through a phase where we are consuming information that makes us feel good, as opposed to desiring truth. It's a problem. This publisher is using this characteristic to sell books.
I think it is a trend everywhere, but the US is so large and wealthy that it becomes very profitable and that reinforces the trend.
Weird, I see mosely self hatred in the US.
The same is going on in Russia. Just take a look at Russian television and blogs like tankarchives.
Going through? The American Exceptionalism has been a thing for over 100 years if not more.
But did the author settle the question of whether tanks go PEW-PEW or BANG-BANG?
Clearly bang followed by three pew's
Thanks for staying as calm as you did during this review :-) I have sometimes ranted to friends about atrocious books like this, and once I get started with the insults and mistakes, it's hard to stop. Somehow you managed to keep your disgust under control and keep laying out the facts, and I kept on watching, partly to see if you ever blew your top -- that you never did was a slight disappointment, but I'm glad you kept on reviewing instead.
This popped in my recommendations and watched the whole thing. Tanks aren't a thing that interest me greatly, but this was enjoyable and didn't feel like 40 minutes. Well made representation. Danke!
As someone who loves military history and also spent 11 yrs in the US army (2000-2011), I'm really happy I watched this video because now I know not to read this book. It sounds like it is for people who know very little about tanks and armored warfare to begin with, but it even screws that up lol. I could have wrote a much better book lol. Everyone knows that during the first World War that the US didn't play a huge role in tank warfare and didn't actually start to become a real player until the second World War. Also why would the author spend so much time writing about tank battles in the Pacific when the real tank fighting was happening on the Eastern and Western fronts!
Sounds more like the author wanted to write a book about the history of american tank warfare
One of the authors was apparently a crayon muncher from USMC?
That anyone would propose that the U.S. created Combined Arms Doctrine is hilarious.
But they invented everything!
Thankyou, Ralf. This review actually made me laugh (though I understand your frustration). I look forward to more of your reviews, of both good and bad books.
I have a copy of this book. It is a good example of why enthusiastic amateurs, a geoscientist and some guy from the south of France, write something they know very little about.
Tankjesus is mad...
At the end I'm missing the destruction of this book!
Your absolutely correct about The role the united states played in tank technology and it's exaggeration in the book. The authors were probably pandering to the American consumer to the point of inaccuracy. This is often a problem in much of the military history text available in my country. I am constantly amazed at the amount of literature written regarding the United States' roll in World War One when one considers that the AEF played its most active part in the last three months of the war and with progressively staggering casually rates. Most Americans just accept that our dough boys won the war. I sometimes counter this by stating that if America sent 250,000 beagle puppies a month to France, they would eventually win the war (probably with fewer casualties). Along the same argument, our heavy industry was able to produce a staggering 45,000 Sherman into Europe and could produce a rate of two tanks an hour at its most productive. The average American sees that statistic as justification for assuring that the US was the prime mover of tank technology in World War Two. I guess huge amounts of adequate trumps all other innovation. Really quite sad if you think about it.
A travesty of a book, full of "Good facts" instead of "Real Facts".
Thanks for the review. :-)
Kurz um:
Der Schinken taugt maximal als Klopapierersatz 😆🤣
Damit beleidigst du jedes Klopapier.
@@peter9314 Genau: Klopapier ist ja da um die Scheiße vom Arsch zu entfernen und nicht um neue Scheiße hinzuzufügen.
Ich bevorzuge da ja die BILD. Hat ne angenehme Textur wenn man vom normalen Klopapier genug hat
Eine Buchbesprechung eines englischsprachigen (hier vermeintlichen) Fachbuchs auf Deutsch? Wenn ich die Besprechung schon auf Deutsch benötige, wie sollte ich dann anschließend mit dem Englischen Text zurecht kommen? Eine 'Neuverfilmung' auf Deutsch wäre eine Resourcen- AKA Lebenszeitvernichtung, welche der Rezensent anderweitig besser nutzen kann, und sollte. Deshalb dazu ein deuts(li)ches Nö!
The authors do things that are done by today's politicians, kind of a new fashion: Take your personal opinion, mix it with wishful thinking and ignore all facts that contradict your version.
Well sir, it sounds like you need to go out and write a book
he did: www.amazon.de/Vom-Massensturm-Sto%C3%9Ftrupptaktik-Landkriegtaktik-Dienstvorschriften/dp/3941571362
The German salt was fantastic to watch. Great review!
Rolf is a man who understands righteous furry. I love the fact that he can become so incensed by false information that he felt compelled to create this video. More power to you Rolf and I hope we see more material from you.
It's funny that they call the interwar period a time of stagnation. Well, how do they think we got from the unreliable WW1 tanks used as "trench busters" to actual tank divisions and combined warfare? Did WW2 start and everyone was like: Oh shit, we need faster, more reliable, better armored and more independent tanks?
And then boom, suddenly T34, Panther and Tiger appear :D
Who in their right mind would call the progression from the A7V to the Panzer 3/4 (on the German side) a time of stagnation? :D
So the book is a cash grab.
The more I listen to Ralf the more I am impressed, more of the same please. I was astonished to learn that the British had been experimenting with combined arms before the Wehrmacht. Off to investigate, I will put money Liddell Hart was involved.
boris boris that is how and why we learn to widen our knowledge, from excellent video’s like this.
boris boris then why watch it if you think you are more knowledgeable than the director of the panzer museum.
Mr Raths, thank you for this book review. Your passion for history is wonderful, and although this book frustrated you, I hope you realize what a teachable moment this was. I think you successfully took what you saw as a negative and not only corrected but emphasized important pieces of history and information. Bravo!
I have a book called "Tanks - A History of Armoured Warfare" written by Robin Cross and David Willey for the Tank Museum in Bovington. Having read through it a couple of times I'd definitely say it's a good beginners book that covers both the tanks themselves, the history of their creation (why, where, how), and what the people using and seeing them on the battlefield thought. Would definitely recommend.
moin
ich sage nur der Chef muss es selber machen
ein buch von ihnen währe was , Co Autor Dipl.-Ing. Rolf Hilmes, das geld währe jetzt schon überwiesen ohne zögern
This has to be one of the best you tube videos I have seen, 10 out of 10. Was waiting for the Hulk to appear and smash the book 👍
So much shade thrown, I need to buy some vitamin D tablets. Thanks for the review!
I’m an American (US) and when I seen those graphs, especially when it comes to World War II, I was completely dumbfounded. I’ll say this: I’m not an expert in warfare and I don’t know very much at all about WWI. I do know a lot more about WWII. To see that most of WWII tanks is focused mostly on the Pacific, is completely beyond me. I think, and correct me if I’m wrong, that more tanks were used in Africa than the pacific. Most tanks and thus most tank battles were fought in Europe. As I said, I’m no expert and even I know that.
My 2¢ worth:
In the First Battle of France (1940), the Germans unloaded Combined Arms on the Dutch, Belgians, French & British.
In the Second Battle of France (1944), the Germans were on the receiving end of Combined Arms, Allied Style.
Another lesson: yes, the Germans will attack through the Ardennes!
I can´t believe I just watched a 45 minutes long book criticism that didn´t contain Gordon Ramsey-like outbreaks. Great video.
Whos the name of the man, Ralf talks about at the end of the video? The french author of the book
Thanks! That was incredibly amusing, as someone who has spent some 10 years in a German university (we did a "find at least 10 errors" in Wolfram Pyta's book on Hindenburg [a monograph that seems to be a gazillion things better than this monstrosity]) I completely understand where you are coming from.
Seriously - I honestly have come to the conclusion they did all of their "research" by watching History Channel - that's why there *can* *be* *no* *sources* and this also fully explains the weird weighting of topics and the propagandistic slant ;).
And you're absolutely *certain* that this is not a stealth parody? ;)
Best regards
Raoul G. Kunz
I love watching US Civil War, WW1, and WW2 content on TH-cam. This was very much appreciated and I eagerly anticipate more English content in the future, if you make it!
Okay, when will you author a proper introduction to tanks from the 1900s to 2020? :-)
I remember one reference book l owned years ago about the battle of the bulge. It stated that the M-79 grenade launcher was standard issue in 1944.
You could write one, if you have the time? What sounds better: I make TH-cam videos about tank development, or I have written a book about it?
Ahhhh... a Marine author! Probably had trouble transcribing his notes written in crayon.
Sounds very much like a couple of Wikipedia warriors have fluked themselves a publishing deal.
It should be said about American doctrine that in a sense it was the polar opposite of the myth: the tank destroyers were explicitly forbidden to chase after enemy tanks, because they didn't have the armour to go one on one with them. If you could dash to an ambush position and prepare an ambush, sure, that was the role of the TD arm. But when you're doing a spearhead against a German position, the TD arm should flippin' stay back.
Yeah, TD was their own group with their own doctrine, although they were tactically overly agression at times.
Fantastic. Please continue these videos in English. Great content.
A well deserved Verriss. Thank you very much for your honesty, your clear words and your no-nonsense attitude. Wirklich gute Arbeit.
Vieldn Dank für das Video. Es macht leider den Eindruck, das die Vorbereitung dieses Videos mehrAufwand gemacht hat als die Rechereche für dieses Buch.
Thank you for the review......will be giving this book a miss.We need more reviews. This book must have been inspired by the movie Fury....lol.
It wasn't quit clear. What exactly do you think of this book???
This review actually makes me want to read this book... just to have a good laugh. :)
I wonder why they don't showcased the amazing Bob Semple Tank in their book. A true masterpiece!
I don't know why they didn't mass produce them. Forget the tigers and panthers, t-34s, Sherman's and IS tanks, all of them would have been rendered pointless by Bob Semples storming the battlefields. Could have changed world history, the cold war may have never happened, such a wasted opportunity 😢😢😢
@@zxbzxbzxb1 indeed
You're right. Many of those tanks fought in russia against the british army. 😂
Well, it has been argued that the Bob Semple was one of the most successful tank designs in history - since a tank should always be judged by whether or not it achieved its design goals. The design goal for the Bob Semple was to create publicity, and it achieved this beyond its creators' wildest dreams.
This book got 2 good reviews on amazon...And one of the authors has a phd in geology...right. And both wrote a ton of historical books.
And still they got it wrong. What about their other work?
Yeah and the other one studied agronomic technology and is just interested in pacific war theatre
@@rogerman65 You can look for their other work at amazon. www.amazon.com/Romain-V-Cansiere/e/B01J4F06VO/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_1 www.amazon.com/Oscar-E.-Gilbert/e/B001JP9YWU/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_0
@@Gravey91 Then maybe he should have stayed away from the subject of tanks altogether. And the other guy should have corrected the agronomic if he would have known what da hell, anything.
Of course you are a patriot and you are trying to save Another patriotic fellow from the same country. But com'on? Sometimes you have to let some people get eaten by the Wolfes because they cannot cut it, even if that other guy is a member of your own tribe. Here you have two. It's not like the guy in the video is saying that "All Americans are hacks!" One of the greatest tacticians in the World was American. He constructed the American helicopter tactics in the Vietnam war. Just brilliant!
@@Gravey91 If you are not familiar with this helicopter tactics by the American tactician you would probably be inclined to Believe that the tactics were shit based on the American losses.
But it was not within the American helicopter tactician's Power to affect the limitations that helicopters had against an enemy like the North Vietnamese that operated from Another arena. That makes it difficult to compare efficiency with their different tactics. It is like comparing pears with apples. Of course there is artillery involved in this tactics.
22:30 ...this is so wrong it makes me... *slightly mad*
sooo... someone released Warthunder video comment section in a book format?
I think I only have one or two of Oscar Gilbert's books. He is a former Marine and most of his books on tanks focus on US Marine tank combat. This probably explains the inappropriate fixation on the Pacific campaign noted in your review. When it comes to former US marines writing on tanks, I would recommend Ken Estes as a more reliable author.
Deutsche Untertitel reichen da vollkommen und sind auch tatsächlich kein Hexenwerk. So viele Korrekturen beim Text sind nicht nötig, gleich welches Tool benutzt wird. Danke schonmal und bitte weiter so.
I hope the authors post they comments under this video as well, I want some mil.-history-nerd
drama. :D
Oscar Gilbert can't he passed away this year in February
Will you please create a Playlist with all of your English videos? I love your content and it would be great if I could find all your English videos in one location. Thank you and keep up the great work.
I appreciate your frustration with the US bias. The rest of the world must find it hard to imagine how little Americans know or care about what goes on outside their borders. I would refer you to the character of their current government as the perfect reflection of this trait.
You might not be aware that that WWII started on Dec 7 1942. That unpleasantness in Poland didn't really count. D-Day occurred on Omaha Beach and the Russians will be surprised to know that the good ol' US of A defeated Germany. There were some others involved but they aren't worth mentioning.
Thanks for the excellent book review.
DasPanzermuseum, what do you think about the book "Armoured Warfare" by Alaric Searle? Perhaps this title does a better job of giving a relatively concise overview of the history of tank warfare? (Edit: this is what happens when you post before watching the entire video)
You did not watch until the very end yet, did you? ;})
@@DasPanzermuseum Indeed, I got halfway through, made my post, and then finished watching and realized what I had done.
Happens to the best. ;) 40+ minutes IS a long video.
I am more knowledgeable in the field of firearms than tanks, but even I know that the Pacific theater played little in the development of the tank.
There was no real battle of the Gilbert Islands, it was a campaign to take back Japanese held islands, basically being the first set of island chains to be taken during the US Island-hopping campaign. I don’t understand why such a campaign would get that big of a mention, since the biggest and most well known land assault on the Gilbert Islands was Tarawa, which isn’t known for being a tank battle.
I'll stir it up some more.
The US strategy was more focused on Naval and Air Power than a large Army.
It was (is) much more of an Expeditionary Force viewpoint.
Yes, that's how I read books too. With a notebook and pen: "Aha! wrong", "wrong", "this is wrong too", "misleading", "and wrong...", "false",.. 😉 👍
Wie er aus lauter Fassungslosigkeit immer wieder ins Deutsch fällt. 😂
Wow, I think The Mighty Jingles would call this" A paddling" :)
On one hand, I feel like laughing my a** off for the fact that an amateur like me seems to know more about tank development than those two guys, but on the other I feel like weeping for the people out there who have/will bought/buy this book.
Anyway, good job and keep those reviews coming (in German or English, I'm fine with each one)
Re the statement about surplus tanks in the US hindering development, Canada bought 236 M1917 in 1940 as scrap, but used them as training tanks www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/Canada/canadian-m1917-light-tank.php Likely this was what the book refers to.
The part of Americain doctrine about: Tanks not fighting tanks was explained in long by The Chieftain in his video Myths about Americain Armor in 2015, and he even quotes the operational manual if I recall correctly. Great review btw! th-cam.com/video/bNjp_4jY8pY/w-d-xo.html
Short book? Certainly doesn’t look like it!
An Osprey book is short and yet some of them can be quite excellent.
Typical American "docu". It's mostly about them even if the historical event/period has many others involved, often to greater significance.
Excellent video and review.
I agree. The book is garbage. I picked up a copy towards the end of a brief visit to Sydney, Australia and was appalled when I finally got around to reading it. At least it was relatively cheap to purchase!
Murica 100
murica 62
I like reviews where they come straight to the point.
Ich kann mir richtig vorstellen wie er beim lesen ausgerastet ist.😂
Selbst beim Review merkt man den steigenden Blutdruck ;-)
A perfect example where (popular) conceptions of history can take you when disguised as a thematical introduction. Unbelievable what is stated there. Thank you for the in depth review and explanations why the book is flawed as a whole.
I know im *a bit* late but maby the guy was thinking of the horten 1000×1000 bomber design when writing a bout 100 100 tank thing
Mehr content! Kann gar nicht genug sein, wenn es diese Qualität hat
Do you have any opinion on the Osprey series of short books on various military topics?
Wow Americans thing they are the most important part of WWII who could've thought :D
If you watched the video, you’d know that the author is French.
@@MarcosElMalo2 Did you watch the video yourself? There are two authors, one of them a former U.S. marine
VK Modding Was the identity of the second author mentioned in the video? Give me a time stamp and I’ll check it out.
More pages on the pacific war than the eastern front! Ah aah aaaah aaah
Must steer clear of that publisher. An editor who lets that pass is bonkers.
The Eastern Front portion: "Don't star a land war in Asia." LUL
Great analysis. Thank you very much. I really appreciate these book reviews.
this is the 'America, fuck yeah!' of tanks books.
Did you aproach the authors or editor with the result of your review? Or did they aproach you? Would be interesting...
Oscar E. Gilbert died six months ago.
You can feel his frustration coming through.