In the grand scheme of things , I don't judge the value of my cutting tools cutting based on someone beating them on rocks , do notice that JoeX doesn't torture test his own firearms like knives . Why , because they weren't designed for torture, and neither are the vast majority of blades.
As someone who owns a Tops Operator 7 i was crushed seeing it get destroyed so easily, i really thought that knife was indestructible. It really does make you rethink about every knife you own and asking your self was it worth the purchase. Dont get me wrong i think the knife is savage to look at and hold in the hand but when knives you own break in other peoples videos then something does indeed cross your mind.
I agree. After Joe’s vid I bought 3 more Operator 7’s. I have a total of 8 Operators in various colors. Im not looking to use any of them as a hammer. The blood groove, that lightening grove that Leo calls it, is the weak point and needs to go but cosmetically they (TOPS) wont. I continue to grind TOPS down on that very subject but so far no one has made me an Operator 7 without the groove.
Beautiful blade and great cigar. Joe X is awesome. Tops and other top brands that fail like this clearly need to use better, properly treated steel, especially for what they charge. 💯
You sir, took the words right out of my mouth. Still my fixed blade grail knife! TH 5160 would be legit. Id also take 3V but we all know Tops doesnt venture out much on the “super steels”. Great comment, thanks my bladed bro and thanks Scab for rec your channel to me!
I don’t believe differential heat treatment is a good thing. Secondly I don’t believe I’d ever pay $200 for 1075. Joe just proves most knives are marketing. I’d bet 95% of these expensive knives are just safe queens. I wonder why they don’t use 5160 ?
Lol, love the name! Tops needs to listen to your comment on the price point and being innovative on the steel vs. 1075. Im biased tho on this knife as i own 8 of them. One for each family member, per a hand! #GrailKnife 👉JoeX is the man…the undisputed heavy weight blade beater champion of the world👍👍🇺🇸🇦🇹🫡🔪
I still hold my opinions that differential heat treats are absolutely superior, and while Joe's tests do have value, deciding rather a knife is good or overpriced based on his tests, or basing your choice in a knife off his tests is dumb. Pretty much in order to do well on his tests, you have to have shit edge retention, in order to gain a level of toughness that you'll never need. The advantage of a differential heat treatment isn't that it's the toughest heat treat possible, but that it allows for a greater level of toughness for it's level of edge retention. A lot of alloy steels like 3V are the same way. It's not that they're necessarily tougher than a softer steel like 1055. But if you heat treated 1055 to have the edge retention of 3V, it would be a lot more brittle. Things like differential heat treatments and alloys reduce the compromise, but don't fully eliminate it.
I will never be smashing my last ditch backup anti personnel combat knife into rocks, boulders, or steel poles! I'm happy and confident in my paired Ops 7's ! 😁👍🤘🇦🇺
Joe X Operator Seven Destruction Video: th-cam.com/video/Vx3ZqUXKqTA/w-d-xo.html Tops, Joe will need a new Operator 7, Satin this time, sent his way 🤣😂😳🇺🇸 🇦🇹 Still my Fixed Blade Grail 🔪
Honestly I'm not that surprised he broke it that quick after thinking about it for a minute. Tops differential heat treat puts em at a disadvantage when it comes to spine hits over a rock (which none of us would ever do). As the soft spine started to mushroom it was putting an insane amount of stress on the heat treated cutting edge. As tops says, their knives will bend before they break. I've broke ALOT of knives and every single time it came as a surprise when they broke. If they would have bent instead of broke (like tops knives are designed to do) I could have still had a usable knife and might have been able to straighten em. I'm not trying to sound like too much of a fan boy here because I have alot of knives from alot of different companies and they ALL have their pros n cons. But what I'm saying is... Are you more likely to beat the spine of your knife over a rock? Or use it to pry on something? Personally I'm way more likely to pry on something. And in that scenario I would much rather the knife let me know I'm going to far by bending than a surprise "snap". Joe's video didn't cause me to lose any faith in the op 7. It just comes down to how YOU think your gonna use it.
How do you know you would never have to hit the spine of your blade against a rock??? That is foolish talk from someone who obviously has never been in a true survival situation!! And since that is what these blades are supposed to be for….. I get it though it hurts you fanboys feelings to know you spent so much on a blade and a stamped out Chinese cold steel machete with a proper heat treat will outperform your fanboy tool in spades!!!!!
I was really hoping to see him with a busse in infi steel. Even sr101 would have been nice. I've been trying for over five years now to get my warranty work done on my ratmandu but I can't seem to damage it. I've used it to pry car doors open and things that would definitely break a top's esee and kabar . With zero damage. Sad to see he's gone now.
I own several TOPs products, all very good tools, that have been stressed by my personal usage. The stresses involved were all within "reasonable" limits of advertised tolerances. Of the blades I purchased from TOPs, only one is longer than 4 inches. I have always been leary of double heat treating a longer high carbon blade. Still, I am very happy with the knives and their performance so far. My EDC is a CUT 4.0, and for my purposes, nothing else in my collection comes close. Joe X applies energy levels in his destructs of knives that anyone who really cared about condition would even contemplate. I mean this guy has the ways and means to fracture Excalibur. For me, the quality of manufacture as well as the fact that they are US made, and my personal experience with each knife, are a more important benchmark, than crazy Joe X. I am not sure that any knife of any brand has survived his manic torture tests, could be wrong, but I doubt it.
His purpose isn’t for the blade to survive it is to show weak points in heat treat and flaws in the steel choice for blades that claim to be end of the world or apocalypse ready! And if you fanboys would watch his videos you would know that allot of the time especially with the higher end blades like tops and bussie their super steels cannot outperform stamped out Chinese made cold steel macheties😂!!! So when making the decision to pull the trigger on a 400 to 700 dollar knife what fool wouldn’t want to know its limits especially when their are offering for 1/3 the price that will perform better no matter what you ask of the blade! Nothing but fanboy tears in the comments here!!
Hey John, you haves used the common internet troll whistle "fan boy". I am in fact a "fan" which is short for fanatic. The reasons for my great regard for the TOPs knives I own is their performance in the field, in all conditions. I have had blades from other manufacturers fracture from standard usage in extreme cold for instance. I have had pricy blades from other manufacturers that couldn't keep or restore their edge in "normal" operation. Never had these or other problems with a TOPs blade under normal conditions. If you gauge your blades by their ability to withstand pounding on solid stone or iron pipe a hundred times, good for you.
Watching that knife destruction vid was absolutely unsettling and disturbing. It invoked the same level of denial one would get after seeing an alien life form land in your back yard after being told your whole life that their existence is just a fable. You are witnessing something fail in a spectacular fashion that you thought you could bet your life on. And suddenly the level of stability and comfort you felt with a solid foundation of knowledge in steels and their performance crumbles underneath you leaving you in limbo of uncertainty about what you thought was well established knowledge and consistent performance of certain steel types. To see 1070 shatter like that was disturbing, especially when I have witnessed a knives made from 1095, ( which have more carbon and harder thus more brittle compared to 1070) being flexed in a vice at 60rc, to 90 degrees and after exceeding that bend permanently or "take a set". And 1070 by all accounts be much tougher than 1095. I have seen a katana sword made from 5160, ( which was at least 8 times the length of Operator 7 blade) being repeatedly pounced against a solid steel pole at least a dozen times if not more with full force, and it stayed true. Same blade was used to chop through a solid block of hard granite. Again full over the head swings, so violent it broke the granite block at least during 3 separate chops. The block was at least a foot thick and 2-3 feet in length. Only on the 10-11th hit did the blade finally break, after a barage of abuse, blows, impacts that lasted over a half hour. Furthermore any blade that is several times the length of a combat blade such as Operator 7, is subjected to forces 100 times greater during each blow, since the shock has large surface area to exploit. Common scientific knowledge that any structural object subjected to load and force will be weaker as it gets longer, and stronger as it gets shorter. Steel beam 5 feet in length will be able to support more weight than same steel beam 200 feet long. Now Im Curious if the guy doing destruction tests has ever tested a Shrade knife machined
Fuck yes, as an Engineer by degree, i thoroughly enjoyed reading this. Hang around my well educated friend! Its comments like these that i enjoy responding to. Exactly, the operator 7 with that surface area, blade mass and differentially hardened blade (the later being key) was bound to break. But the quickness that it broke, shocked me. Like i seen an Alien in my backyard. My world isnt rocked though, lol.
@@TheGunsNBlades Im not an engineer by trade, but have always enjoyed any field that has to do with science, and took lot of chemistry and physics courses in college. And steels, metals in general but especially steels is my passion since I'm a self ascribed knife adict. But yea I was being overly dramatic in my description, my world hasn't crumbled either, I've seen every type of steel both fail in a spectacular fashion and at the same time perform way above my expectations. A lot of it comes down to proper heat treatment. Guess if i had to choose I'd say in my experience L6 and A8 tool steels have been the toughest steels i have seen yet. Unfortunately both are very rare to see in knives especially A8. Only seen one American maker make a knife out of it in the past 25 years. Tom Johanning. Its not used in US for some reason. Have few foreign knives made from it, very tough steel. Always nice to talk to like minded people. Keep em sharp lol.
I still believe differential heat treats are far superior. With a through heat treatment, you don't necessarily get a tougher knife, you just get the same level of toughness throughout. So if you do a through heat treat designed to favor edge retention, then the entire knife will be more brittle. If you do a through heat treat to favor toughness, you'll have shit edge retention. As do most knives that do well in Joe's tests, (Like the Glock knife) there's always a compromise. With a differential heat treat, you still don't have a perfect solution, but you reduce the compromise by as much as you can. It still won't be as tough as a knife with a through heat treat meant for toughness. But it will be more tough than a through heat treat designed for edge retention while still having good edge retention. You don't get the best of both world's but you do get the better of both worlds.
Joe X, is the,"Destroyer" , the go to "Consumer Reports" tester of Bladed Instruments. He's one of a kind, Top of the line. Joe X ,the Destroyer sets the,"Joe X Standard"!
Ya beat anything hard enough or long enough and it doesn't matter what it is, its eventually going to break. That being said, i do wonder if it has anything to do with hitting its resonance point. Cuz that would definitely snap it and it wouldn't look like it took much to do it.
Wow! Missed that one! Totally unexpected as I have used differentially hardened Nepalese khukuri for years (not always of the best quality and definitely not full flat tang) and haven't ever had issues. Not that I do the tests he does but I do beat them pretty hard to pass Backyard Muster. Makes me wonder if they over hardened the steel on that one? There is no way 1070 at over a quarter inch should have done that if heat treated properly.
@@TheGunsNBlades maybe but doubtful. I mean the Nepalese khukuri have a ridiculously soft spine from most houses and they don't seem to have any issues in my experience. Mind you that is supposedly 5160 so that may make a difference.
The issue is how the fuller was milled. Ill be doing a breakdown- it has terrible stress risers that are made worse by the depth of the differential heat treat. Tops designed this knife to sell on aesthetics and specs. If the fuller was done properly it wouldnt have happened.
WOW Brother, I know who Joe X is and Ive seen many knives take 10X the beating and still survive.. (AD10 & SR1 Lite for ex) doesnt change my love for the OP7 but agree lets see another chance! really diggin ur channel
It's painful too watch but Joe's videos have alot of value and things to be learned from, well done my friend, brother any knife I think can break, cold steel has faird the best in toughness
Quite disappointed as well. The esse's at half the thickness held up substantially better. Tops should get that fuller out of there and let us all get new operator 7 without the weakpoint. Time for a recall.
Time for a Recall, LMAO! Although i wouldn’t go that far considered the knife wasn’t used in its intended way. Now if it snapped chopping, id be all over the product recall bandwagon. I am continuously in tops ear about the fuller. Its an aesthetic waste point. Even TOPS admitted the fuller is just for looks. 👍👍🔥🔪🇺🇸
haha jawohl endlich kriagt da joe x mol an richtigen zuspruch und a anerkennung va an ondan amerikanischen yt channel :D kind regards from austria - love joe's vids as well
@@TheGunsNBlades saving money to get him something really tough like a tracker or a benchmade fixed adamas :D would love to see him up against something really expensive like the new large fixed blade from chaves or a large heretic knives dagger in elmax. subbed btw. love your content - keep it up!
New here….not to collecting knives, I’m a moderate collector at best. But I’ve seen a few of Joe’s videos. Tell me exactly what the point of his videos are? Maybe I need to ask him. The $hit he does to knives is pretty much Moronic in my humble opinion. Mostly because none of his demonstrations are real world actual shit I’d do with any of my knives.
Im sure Joe will answer your question. He often stops in to say wadup and to address some….concerns people have. Im still holding my Op7’s, all of em! 👍👍🇺🇸
Out of a solid billett of 1070 steel. Its a direct copy or clone of Chris Reeves hollow handle one piece fixed blade knives. Except Chris Reeve used A2 tool steel and Shrade uses 1070 carbon steel. The I Rony is Shrade $60 dollar knife turned out to be tougher than Chris Reeves A2 $350-$600 knives. I'm curious how that knife would stand up to abuse since its essentially the same exact steel Tops uses. Perhaps someone should pitch that idea to the guy who tests/destroys these knives. I have a tanto blade made from 1060 carbon steel. Its slightly tougher than 1070 but not by such a large margin that you can expect one to shatter and the other one bend. And yet I have used that blade as basically a hammer to pound things with the spine, including breaking bricks and concrete center blocks. And if my knife ever fails it will most likely be due to bending not shattering in half, so then how could 1070 steel fail so badly?
Im sure Joe X will read your comments and consider them. I saw that Schrade, for $48 i want one. Hey JoeX, that Schrade for $48 on Amazon, give that a test.
@@TheGunsNBlades i did 3 Schrades already, NOT uploaded yet, but soon, a big, a middle and a tiny fucker, all dead now.....45, 52, 57 if i remember correctly!
Yes, yes they can and should. It does nothing. Tops, you listening? Lose the fuller and 5160 Through Hardened Steel. Whats the sayin…..innovate or die?
I guess it goes to show that nothing is truly indestructible. Especially fighting knives, I don’t believe they are designed to be indestructible. A Fairbairn Sykes dagger would break pretty fast in most material other than a human body. It would be interesting to see TOPS respond to Joe though.
What Joe X shows us is that cheap knives are oftenly as durable if not more durable than the expensive super steel ones. That said, he uses them in ways one never should. You can even break diamonds if you keep at it.
A fighting knife should optimally be used for stabbing and slashing, not chopping, which is the most likely way to break it. So differentially hardening a fighting knife and of that length at that, just shows what a dimwit the guy who designed it is.
You should jump on one of TOPS Knives monthly Lives stream where they take feedback. Provide Leo, the designer, that direct feedback. Not me. I am nobody. Leo Espinoza. He takes feedback and Im sure he will be happy to hear yours. Ill grab the popcorn🍿 and 🍻
440 anything is an inferior steel to carbon based steel. Unless you are talking about one of the super steel. Id rather have durability the corrosion resistance anyday. Ill butter up my knives with extra virgin olive oil 🤣👍👍🇺🇸
I don’t understand why you think they should send this guy a new knife. If I sold him a puppy for $300 and he took it out and shot it dead, should I give him another one for free? No
Agreed, but as Joe stated in his video “Tops sent him that knife”, under that context he needs another example to test. And if i were Tops id want redemption. Otherwise, i agree with you if he bought the knife. Who knows, people can say and do whatever they want and i try to assume positive intent! Thanks for dropping in and tossing out a well thought out comment! 🔪🇺🇸👊😎👊🇺🇸🔪
Because Joe just showed that a Tops operator is overpriced compared to the Beckers and esee that he has put through the same test.. ...so Tops now has the label of 'overpriced metal'
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Two years later and consensus concurs that the fuller on the OP7 needs to go.
And JoeX is still killing blades 😂
In the grand scheme of things , I don't judge the value of my cutting tools cutting based on someone beating them on rocks , do notice that JoeX doesn't torture test his own firearms like knives . Why , because they weren't designed for torture, and neither are the vast majority of blades.
Very true!
As someone who owns a Tops Operator 7 i was crushed seeing it get destroyed so easily, i really thought that knife was indestructible. It really does make you rethink about every knife you own and asking your self was it worth the purchase. Dont get me wrong i think the knife is savage to look at and hold in the hand but when knives you own break in other peoples videos then something does indeed cross your mind.
I agree. After Joe’s vid I bought 3 more Operator 7’s. I have a total of 8 Operators in various colors. Im not looking to use any of them as a hammer. The blood groove, that lightening grove that Leo calls it, is the weak point and needs to go but cosmetically they (TOPS) wont. I continue to grind TOPS down on that very subject but so far no one has made me an Operator 7 without the groove.
@@TheGunsNBladesThe groove is called the fuller, and it's there to lighten up the blade, to make it more lively, while stiffening the spine ...
Beautiful blade and great cigar. Joe X is awesome. Tops and other top brands that fail like this clearly need to use better, properly treated steel, especially for what they charge. 💯
i read all comments!! awesome!!!! muchas gracias!
Very welcome Joe! 👊🇦🇹🇺🇸🔪
Believe it or not there have been a few knives that even JOEX couldn't destroy. One being a Hultafors knife and the other a Morakniv robust.
Joe Always puts on a good show whether the blade survives or dies. 👊🇺🇸
Or a WTG Ares…fast forward to 2024
thanks for the vid and mentioning!!😄😁😁
Most welcome Joe! Keep up the great work, stay hard! 👊
@@TheGunsNBlades will do!😁
@@joex The Fan Bois Crying out loud OP7 RIP......good job JOE .
they use the blades to cut cigars .
Slow n Smooth Smooth is Fast
cheers
@@BConTextslow IS smooth !
Tops does owe JoeX a new Operator 7.
You hear that Tops??
@@TheGunsNBlades 😁😁😁
Why?
💯 correct
Big fan of Joe X and big fan of my Operator 7 even after watching Joe’s vid.
This knife made of TH 5160 would be sublime!!
You sir, took the words right out of my mouth. Still my fixed blade grail knife! TH 5160 would be legit. Id also take 3V but we all know Tops doesnt venture out much on the “super steels”. Great comment, thanks my bladed bro and thanks Scab for rec your channel to me!
Yes! Sword steel 😁👍
I don’t believe differential heat treatment is a good thing. Secondly I don’t believe I’d ever pay $200 for 1075. Joe just proves most knives are marketing. I’d bet 95% of these expensive knives are just safe queens.
I wonder why they don’t use 5160 ?
Lol, love the name! Tops needs to listen to your comment on the price point and being innovative on the steel vs. 1075. Im biased tho on this knife as i own 8 of them. One for each family member, per a hand! #GrailKnife
👉JoeX is the man…the undisputed heavy weight blade beater champion of the world👍👍🇺🇸🇦🇹🫡🔪
@@TheGunsNBlades
I still hold my opinions that differential heat treats are absolutely superior, and while Joe's tests do have value, deciding rather a knife is good or overpriced based on his tests, or basing your choice in a knife off his tests is dumb. Pretty much in order to do well on his tests, you have to have shit edge retention, in order to gain a level of toughness that you'll never need. The advantage of a differential heat treatment isn't that it's the toughest heat treat possible, but that it allows for a greater level of toughness for it's level of edge retention. A lot of alloy steels like 3V are the same way. It's not that they're necessarily tougher than a softer steel like 1055. But if you heat treated 1055 to have the edge retention of 3V, it would be a lot more brittle. Things like differential heat treatments and alloys reduce the compromise, but don't fully eliminate it.
I have always said this,5160 is the steel for all hard use knives.Nothing matches it.
I will never be smashing my last ditch backup anti personnel combat knife into rocks, boulders, or steel poles! I'm happy and confident in my paired Ops 7's ! 😁👍🤘🇦🇺
Joe X Operator Seven Destruction Video: th-cam.com/video/Vx3ZqUXKqTA/w-d-xo.html
Tops, Joe will need a new Operator 7, Satin this time, sent his way 🤣😂😳🇺🇸 🇦🇹
Still my Fixed Blade Grail 🔪
u are awesome man!!!
Honestly I'm not that surprised he broke it that quick after thinking about it for a minute. Tops differential heat treat puts em at a disadvantage when it comes to spine hits over a rock (which none of us would ever do). As the soft spine started to mushroom it was putting an insane amount of stress on the heat treated cutting edge. As tops says, their knives will bend before they break. I've broke ALOT of knives and every single time it came as a surprise when they broke. If they would have bent instead of broke (like tops knives are designed to do) I could have still had a usable knife and might have been able to straighten em. I'm not trying to sound like too much of a fan boy here because I have alot of knives from alot of different companies and they ALL have their pros n cons. But what I'm saying is... Are you more likely to beat the spine of your knife over a rock? Or use it to pry on something? Personally I'm way more likely to pry on something. And in that scenario I would much rather the knife let me know I'm going to far by bending than a surprise "snap". Joe's video didn't cause me to lose any faith in the op 7. It just comes down to how YOU think your gonna use it.
How do you know you would never have to hit the spine of your blade against a rock??? That is foolish talk from someone who obviously has never been in a true survival situation!! And since that is what these blades are supposed to be for….. I get it though it hurts you fanboys feelings to know you spent so much on a blade and a stamped out Chinese cold steel machete with a proper heat treat will outperform your fanboy tool in spades!!!!!
I was really hoping to see him with a busse in infi steel. Even sr101 would have been nice. I've been trying for over five years now to get my warranty work done on my ratmandu but I can't seem to damage it. I've used it to pry car doors open and things that would definitely break a top's esee and kabar . With zero damage. Sad to see he's gone now.
I own several TOPs products, all very good tools, that have been stressed by my personal usage. The stresses involved were all within "reasonable" limits of advertised tolerances. Of the blades I purchased from TOPs, only one is longer than 4 inches. I have always been leary of double heat treating a longer high carbon blade. Still, I am very happy with the knives and their performance so far. My EDC is a CUT 4.0, and for my purposes, nothing else in my collection comes close. Joe X applies energy levels in his destructs of knives that anyone who really cared about condition would even contemplate. I mean this guy has the ways and means to fracture Excalibur. For me, the quality of manufacture as well as the fact that they are US made, and my personal experience with each knife, are a more important benchmark, than crazy Joe X. I am not sure that any knife of any brand has survived his manic torture tests, could be wrong, but I doubt it.
His purpose isn’t for the blade to survive it is to show weak points in heat treat and flaws in the steel choice for blades that claim to be end of the world or apocalypse ready! And if you fanboys would watch his videos you would know that allot of the time especially with the higher end blades like tops and bussie their super steels cannot outperform stamped out Chinese made cold steel macheties😂!!! So when making the decision to pull the trigger on a 400 to 700 dollar knife what fool wouldn’t want to know its limits especially when their are offering for 1/3 the price that will perform better no matter what you ask of the blade! Nothing but fanboy tears in the comments here!!
Hey John, you haves used the common internet troll whistle "fan boy". I am in fact a "fan" which is short for fanatic. The reasons for my great regard for the TOPs knives I own is their performance in the field, in all conditions. I have had blades from other manufacturers fracture from standard usage in extreme cold for instance. I have had pricy blades from other manufacturers that couldn't keep or restore their edge in "normal" operation. Never had these or other problems with a TOPs blade under normal conditions. If you gauge your blades by their ability to withstand pounding on solid stone or iron pipe a hundred times, good for you.
Watching that knife destruction vid was absolutely unsettling and disturbing. It invoked the same level of denial one would get after seeing an alien life form land in your back yard after being told your whole life that their existence is just a fable. You are witnessing something fail in a spectacular fashion that you thought you could bet your life on. And suddenly the level of stability and comfort you felt with a solid foundation of knowledge in steels and their performance crumbles underneath you leaving you in limbo of uncertainty about what you thought was well established knowledge and consistent performance of certain steel types. To see 1070 shatter like that was disturbing, especially when I have witnessed a knives made from 1095, ( which have more carbon and harder thus more brittle compared to 1070) being flexed in a vice at 60rc, to 90 degrees and after exceeding that bend permanently or "take a set". And 1070 by all accounts be much tougher than 1095. I have seen a katana sword made from 5160, ( which was at least 8 times the length of Operator 7 blade) being repeatedly pounced against a solid steel pole at least a dozen times if not more with full force, and it stayed true. Same blade was used to chop through a solid block of hard granite. Again full over the head swings, so violent it broke the granite block at least during 3 separate chops. The block was at least a foot thick and 2-3 feet in length. Only on the 10-11th hit did the blade finally break, after a barage of abuse, blows, impacts that lasted over a half hour. Furthermore any blade that is several times the length of a combat blade such as Operator 7, is subjected to forces 100 times greater during each blow, since the shock has large surface area to exploit. Common scientific knowledge that any structural object
subjected to load and force will be weaker as it gets longer, and stronger as it gets shorter. Steel beam 5 feet in length will be able to support more weight than same steel beam 200 feet long.
Now Im Curious if the guy doing destruction tests has ever tested a Shrade knife machined
Fuck yes, as an Engineer by degree, i thoroughly enjoyed reading this. Hang around my well educated friend! Its comments like these that i enjoy responding to.
Exactly, the operator 7 with that surface area, blade mass and differentially hardened blade (the later being key) was bound to break. But the quickness that it broke, shocked me. Like i seen an Alien in my backyard. My world isnt rocked though, lol.
@@TheGunsNBlades
Im not an engineer by trade, but have always enjoyed any field that has to do with science, and took lot of chemistry and physics courses in college. And steels, metals in general but especially steels is my passion since I'm a self ascribed knife adict. But yea I was being overly dramatic in my description, my world hasn't crumbled either, I've seen every type of steel both fail in a spectacular fashion and at the same time perform way above my expectations. A lot of it comes down to proper heat treatment. Guess if i had to choose I'd say in my experience L6 and A8 tool steels have been the toughest steels i have seen yet. Unfortunately both are very rare to see in knives especially A8. Only seen one American maker make a knife out of it in the past 25 years. Tom Johanning. Its not used in US for some reason. Have few foreign knives made from it, very tough steel. Always nice to talk to like minded people. Keep em sharp lol.
All the Tops surprisingly broke fast
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link that works with blades too! Thanks Joe for saving me $200!!!
Maybe he got a bad one. I still like to believe that or until TOPS sends him anutta
Joe X Rocks! I would still buy that Tops Operator 7!!!! No fuxking question about it!!!
I may have some for sale, lol. Just kidding….still my grail fixed blade!
@@TheGunsNBlades damn right! It’s a bad ass blade!
Why would you spend that much money on a Tops knife that breaks faster than a Kabar that costs half the money?
Because...cool ! 😁👍🤘🇦🇺@@Visiblyblue
I still believe differential heat treats are far superior. With a through heat treatment, you don't necessarily get a tougher knife, you just get the same level of toughness throughout. So if you do a through heat treat designed to favor edge retention, then the entire knife will be more brittle. If you do a through heat treat to favor toughness, you'll have shit edge retention. As do most knives that do well in Joe's tests, (Like the Glock knife) there's always a compromise. With a differential heat treat, you still don't have a perfect solution, but you reduce the compromise by as much as you can. It still won't be as tough as a knife with a through heat treat meant for toughness. But it will be more tough than a through heat treat designed for edge retention while still having good edge retention. You don't get the best of both world's but you do get the better of both worlds.
Are SRK1 Lites in demand after one survived Joe X? Absolutely.
Those SRK1’s you speak of, do they coming with a bowl of rice or Nike’s yet? 🤣😂
Nobody goes ham like Joe. Love that guy
Bro i gifted this knife to a friend as a thank you...now I'm wondering if a mistake was made?
Nah, cost of doing biz. Your friend should be grateful to you. Its still a crow bar!
Joe X, is the,"Destroyer" , the go to "Consumer Reports" tester of Bladed Instruments. He's one of a kind, Top of the line.
Joe X ,the Destroyer sets the,"Joe X Standard"!
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Ya beat anything hard enough or long enough and it doesn't matter what it is, its eventually going to break. That being said, i do wonder if it has anything to do with hitting its resonance point. Cuz that would definitely snap it and it wouldn't look like it took much to do it.
Truth. Physics!
Wow! Missed that one! Totally unexpected as I have used differentially hardened Nepalese khukuri for years (not always of the best quality and definitely not full flat tang) and haven't ever had issues. Not that I do the tests he does but I do beat them pretty hard to pass Backyard Muster. Makes me wonder if they over hardened the steel on that one? There is no way 1070 at over a quarter inch should have done that if heat treated properly.
Thats what im thinkin, given the crack at the edge. Crazy right. But there is a ton of mass in that spine, too soft spine?
@@TheGunsNBlades maybe but doubtful. I mean the Nepalese khukuri have a ridiculously soft spine from most houses and they don't seem to have any issues in my experience. Mind you that is supposedly 5160 so that may make a difference.
The issue is how the fuller was milled. Ill be doing a breakdown- it has terrible stress risers that are made worse by the depth of the differential heat treat.
Tops designed this knife to sell on aesthetics and specs.
If the fuller was done properly it wouldnt have happened.
WOW Brother, I know who Joe X is and Ive seen many knives take 10X the beating and still survive.. (AD10 & SR1 Lite for ex) doesnt change my love for the OP7 but agree lets see another chance! really diggin ur channel
It's painful too watch but Joe's videos have alot of value and things to be learned from, well done my friend, brother any knife I think can break, cold steel has faird the best in toughness
Look at it like this Joe. JoeX is creating jobs, the world over!!
Definitely, Demko was the OG of knife destruction. Homage to Lord Demko and Little bro John and the flex in the market they have going on.
Subbed👍🏻 Thanks for the vid.
Thanks for dropping in!
Wow, i never thought anyone would kill the Operator
Well, he did
joe x id gone..his haters can throw a party today..
Joe will be back.
A dude that stretches his nut sack out like that, aint no stoppin Joe. Relentless
Joe X is the Man!
Fk’N he is 👊👍👍🔥
Quite disappointed as well. The esse's at half the thickness held up substantially better. Tops should get that fuller out of there and let us all get new operator 7 without the weakpoint. Time for a recall.
Time for a Recall, LMAO! Although i wouldn’t go that far considered the knife wasn’t used in its intended way. Now if it snapped chopping, id be all over the product recall bandwagon. I am continuously in tops ear about the fuller. Its an aesthetic waste point. Even TOPS admitted the fuller is just for looks. 👍👍🔥🔪🇺🇸
@@TheGunsNBladesYes, get rid of it !
Joe x the reason I bought a cs ad10
Joe is great. He can destroy everything, except mora.
JOE X is the Best knife tester I have ever seen!!
Dude is a animal!
haha jawohl endlich kriagt da joe x mol an richtigen zuspruch und a anerkennung va an ondan amerikanischen yt channel :D
kind regards from austria - love joe's vids as well
Joe is the man! He doesn’t care what people think and that earns my respect. Plus i now know what “mushy” means! Thanks for dropping by!
@@TheGunsNBlades saving money to get him something really tough like a tracker or a benchmade fixed adamas :D
would love to see him up against something really expensive like the new large fixed blade from chaves or a large heretic knives dagger in elmax.
subbed btw. love your content - keep it up!
@@TheGunsNBlades Muschi, oh freaking yeah!!!
New here….not to collecting knives, I’m a moderate collector at best. But I’ve seen a few of Joe’s videos. Tell me exactly what the point of his videos are? Maybe I need to ask him. The $hit he does to knives is pretty much Moronic in my humble opinion. Mostly because none of his demonstrations are real world actual shit I’d do with any of my knives.
Im sure Joe will answer your question. He often stops in to say wadup and to address some….concerns people have. Im still holding my Op7’s, all of em! 👍👍🇺🇸
Out of a solid billett of 1070 steel. Its a direct copy or clone of Chris Reeves hollow handle one piece fixed blade knives. Except Chris Reeve used A2 tool steel and Shrade uses 1070 carbon steel. The I Rony is Shrade $60 dollar knife turned out to be tougher than Chris Reeves A2 $350-$600 knives. I'm curious how that knife would stand up to abuse since its essentially the same exact steel Tops uses. Perhaps someone should pitch that idea to the guy who tests/destroys these knives. I have a tanto blade made from 1060 carbon steel. Its slightly tougher than 1070 but not by such a large margin that you can expect one to shatter and the other one bend. And yet I have used that blade as basically a hammer to pound things with the spine, including breaking bricks and concrete center blocks. And if my knife ever fails it will most likely be due to bending not shattering in half, so then how could 1070 steel fail so badly?
Im sure Joe X will read your comments and consider them. I saw that Schrade, for $48 i want one.
Hey JoeX, that Schrade for $48 on Amazon, give that a test.
i read it!
@@TheGunsNBlades i did 3 Schrades already, NOT uploaded yet, but soon, a big, a middle and a tiny fucker, all dead now.....45, 52, 57 if i remember correctly!
Good cigar cut!!!
Thanks 👊
They could lose the fuller on the blade as well
Yes, yes they can and should. It does nothing. Tops, you listening? Lose the fuller and 5160 Through Hardened Steel. Whats the sayin…..innovate or die?
@@TheGunsNBladesAgreed !!
Holy Shit he killed the beast! I need to sub to that guy! I got one of these on order because of you Batman, now I’m regretting it😡🤬🖕🏻🖕🏻
don't worry, i think it is still a cool knife, can take a 9 mm!!!
Price of doing biz. You wont regret it. Use it like a knife and not a chisel or a bat and you will be fine.
Lol to the buyers remorse too
I guess it goes to show that nothing is truly indestructible. Especially fighting knives, I don’t believe they are designed to be indestructible. A Fairbairn Sykes dagger would break pretty fast in most material other than a human body. It would be interesting to see TOPS respond to Joe though.
Destroyed that shit quick !
I say bad heat treat on this one...
Thats what im telling myself when i look down upon my operators now 🤣😂
@@TheGunsNBlades dude those are gonna let you a lifetime.
maybe, i need a new one!
Yea im not a fan of the duel heat treat that tops does.
Ive bent the hell out of DH Katana’s but never have i bent a through hardened Katana
What Joe X shows us is that cheap knives are oftenly as durable if not more durable than the expensive super steel ones.
That said, he uses them in ways one never should.
You can even break diamonds if you keep at it.
Good points, very good points. 👊
Nothing as underrated as a good cigar!
Exactly! 👊
A fighting knife should optimally be used for stabbing and slashing, not chopping, which is the most likely way to break it. So differentially hardening a fighting knife and of that length at that, just shows what a dimwit the guy who designed it is.
You should jump on one of TOPS Knives monthly Lives stream where they take feedback. Provide Leo, the designer, that direct feedback. Not me. I am nobody. Leo Espinoza. He takes feedback and Im sure he will be happy to hear yours. Ill grab the popcorn🍿 and 🍻
thanks! joeX is the great leveller...cheap knife/expensive knife.................it's going down...........
Absolutely, JoeX brings the heat! The…..World Champion of blade beaters…..coining that title here first for Joe! He needs more testers!
It could’ve been a bad one that’s a possibility just saying.
True, i mentioned to TOPS that Joe needs another xample but so far that hasnt happened.
New SUB brother..
Thanks and Enjoy the chit show
That fuller is a weak spot. Should be deleted.
Agreed. 100%, agreed.
They pulled his chanle 🥺
Are you serious? When?
hola papi!💋
Que pasa pendejo!
That is a over rated knife
Stupid of tops to use the steel they use and not a tough stainless steel
440 anything is an inferior steel to carbon based steel. Unless you are talking about one of the super steel. Id rather have durability the corrosion resistance anyday. Ill butter up my knives with extra virgin olive oil 🤣👍👍🇺🇸
@@TheGunsNBlades
There are some stainless steels tougher than 1075-1095, and you don’t have to battle corrosion
I don’t understand why you think they should send this guy a new knife.
If I sold him a puppy for $300 and he took it out and shot it dead, should I give him another one for free?
No
What a terrible comparison. A knife is not a living thing. By the way, Joe X loves dogs.
Agreed, but as Joe stated in his video “Tops sent him that knife”, under that context he needs another example to test. And if i were Tops id want redemption.
Otherwise, i agree with you if he bought the knife. Who knows, people can say and do whatever they want and i try to assume positive intent!
Thanks for dropping in and tossing out a well thought out comment! 🔪🇺🇸👊😎👊🇺🇸🔪
Because Joe just showed that a Tops operator is overpriced compared to the Beckers and esee that he has put through the same test.. ...so Tops now has the label of 'overpriced metal'
@@Visiblyblue thanks!