So heartwarming that you show the prisoner that it’s sacrifice led the Nomai to the system and subsequently led to the hatchling (You) being inspired by the ruins to become an astronaut which then leads to you freeing the prisoner!
It wasn’t heartwarming to me. The Prisoner realized that he helped cause the death of a civilization. Betrayed everyone he knew to do it. Then, the video leaves out The Prisoners footsteps to the water, which boots you out of the simulation, which means that he committed suicide. If you die in the real world while being in the simulation, then try to return to the real world, you simply disappear as you are dead in the real world. Only their conscience was left in the simulation. Very sad ending to those that understood.
@@Zentinel_85 I do understand, but I see it more as bittersweet. The way the owls remove you from the simulation when they catch you is by blowing out your lantern because they know that that will cause you to wake up. They know they can never wake up, so they instead actively choose to keep their consciousness preserved in the simulation. They could, at any time they wished, jump into the water or blow out their own lantern. The prisoner could have chosen to blow out their lantern at any time. But they chose to stay alive probably only to confirm to themselves that their action of letting the Eye signal loose (if only just for a few minutes) and subsequent suffering wasn't all in vain. The Prisoner's species must have survived within the simulation for an incredibly staggering amount of time. They arrived who knows how long before the Nomai. And the Nomai were alive while the Hearthian distant ancestors were just leaving the subterranean tidepools! The prisoner stayed alive willingly all that time. And the Player gives them the knowledge that the message was received. It is directly because of the Prisoner's sacrifice that the Player meets them all those millenia later. And he is freed. They COULD have blown out their lantern, but instead they were granted the freedom to die in the way they preferred: by leaving their cell and walking into the water. After, of course, leaving a beautiful final message to the Player. Bittersweet though it is, it's about as good an ending as the Prisoner could have hoped for.
The moment at 5:24 where he hands you the torch is the defining moment of the DLC, and it's on-par with finding the Project, Solanum, or the Vessel. You have spent this whole game hearing others' stories. But in this moment, you are the storyteller, and your voice is heard, and with that voice you bring peace to someone who has spent uncountable lifetimes feeling that they failed those they cared about.
When I did this DLC I didn't have my original save file, I instead started it on a new game. Because my character did not know the Interloper was responsible for the death of all Nomai in the Solar System, those slides were slightly different. The Nomai just suddenly collapsed because it was still a mystery as to why. It truly was the Traveler explaining what he knew. Such an incredible detail.
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I did just the same ^^ very thoughtful of the makers
It'd be cool if there was even more detail. Like if it shows us finding the coordinates and warp core, showing the prisoner that we *can* reach the eye, thanks to them.
The prisoner's scream is unbelievably powerful. Anguish, triumph, experiencing hundreds of thousands of years of guilt and loneliness only to finally, finally see that his actions had a positive impact. Freedom. Grief. Release from the pain. It just communicates so much. I can't overstate my love for this game, i sincerely think it holds its own among the greatest masterpieces of fiction in human history and i will die on that hill (repeatedly on loop if i have to).
Can I just say how genius the alien design is in this game? Throughout the game,the only sentient life you meet is our own friendly slug people (who live off of marshmallows and sap wine) and the docile, curious goat people of the Nomai. We as a species had no sense of war, strife or fear. The Owlks are the first true hunter-gatherers we meet; they are meat eaters, almost true carnivores based off their dental profile. They know conflict as we humans do, it is embedded in their very survival. I don't know why, but realizing that fact made me fear the Owlks before even entering the simulation. The fact that I could predict that our first encounters with each other would not be friendly based solely on THE DENTAL PROFILE of the aliens is something I deeply admire about this game. 11/10 best story I have ever experienced.
I just noticed that in the final message the prisoner leaves with the boat, the music is a blend of Hearthian instruments/theme and those of the owl race. What a pretty detail.
I think that the final message is the owl people's version of the afterlife. You're on a raft in a beautiful river with the sun shining its light, as you make your way towards the horizon. I love the fact that the raft only has a single light motor, which is lit by the sun, implying that this is a one-way journey. The Prisoner is grateful for what you did for his sake and hopes that you will be able to meet again on a new adventure in the afterlife. So sad and so beautiful.
No. The final message is the Prisoner saying to you that you will not be alone when you'll witness and be the cause of a new Big Bang. He will be there for you And, because the new universe will be born literally in the music, he answers the call and play your culture's note with his people's culture instrument
indeed, man - very strong moment when you realize that he entered water (dying) and, in fact, invites you to do the same - so you together can go on in those who will come after
@@lollononcegana7327It is technically the same, the prisoner is just inviting you to follow him to the afterlife. We can debate wether that means he knows you're gonna create a new universe or die as soon as you touch the water. Remember that he doesn't know of the time loop and that he knows that in order to reach inside of his prison you must have left your physical body behind, so it's logical to asume he thought you were going to die there as well. But he could also asume that perhaps you found a solution to that and were indeed going to reach The Eye. In the end however it's the exact same thing, since in both cases he is telling you to go with him to your final travel. The afterlife.
Honestly, the 'strangers' are the most sympathetic antagonists ever written. Yes, they were scary, mislead, they locked up their own. But they were just scared, and who wouldn't be? They didn't know what we know. They didn't know that the universe had reached its natural end, that it was always going to be this way. In any other narrative, the owl people would be the heroes. So many stories about preventing the end of the universe, so little about accepting it.
One of the most poignant moments that really stuck with me is when you are exploring a burned out temple to the Eye, you can open a hatch at it reveals a picture of new life regrowing on the skull. Somehow this image survived the purges. But that image comes from the slide of them getting visions of death from the Eye. Right before they freak out after reading what the Eye meant and that all will die, the Owlek begins to get a vision of this death leading into a new life. But the fear of the death made them stop paying attention to that part and immediately they focused on saving themselves from death. But those that still believed in the Eye were focused on the part of the image that showed new life. It is such a minor detail... but the Owleks were too scared at the vision of death that they didn't even let the vision finish to show life.
@@Daniel4119 As far as i'm aware, the building you find that image in isnt a temple to the eye, but the prisoner's home; he was the only one who could realize the eye would also cause the rebirth of the universe while the others were only concerned with its death.
One of the things I loved most about this ending was the prisoner being the embodiment of acceptance of the ending of life. I feel the Strangers were scared of it, so their plan was to hide forever in their world, and try to prevent others from finding out to keep others happy. The Prisoner was never scared of it though, and by doing what they did, it was huge I thought in terms of helping others accept the end. This DLC is perfect to be played once you learn how to beat the game, but just before you actually do. The Prisoner helps you accept death, and gives you the strength to do what must be done. Excellent job by Mobius.
i started bawling when the prisoner let out their cry after witnessing your life story, a story only made possible by their work. they spent thousands of years trapped in that simulation, all for their efforts to pan out the best way they possibly could have while still being at the thing they feared most: the end of the universe that they so loved.
What are your thoughts on why The Prisoner deactivated the signal blocker, though? It's just so sudden in the cutscene and it looks like they had no plan, they just sort of did it. Did they just want the end of the universe to come naturally?
@@JustLostTheGame A version of him speaks to you at the end. He says that he saw his people become overtaken with fear, and recede from the world at the prospect of it one day coming to an end. He was the only one who was willing to put that fear aside, and let the world run its course as it was meant to. "Whatever comes next, I know it is not to be feared."
@@misero1444 I'm literally sitting here on the title screen of Outer Wilds after doing the ending again, expecting a new ending. You must've literally been typing this comment while I was experiencing exactly what you're talking about, what are the odds of that? Life's funny like that, aside from that though-the motive is definitely a bit clearer now, but what if no one ever found/visited the eye to begin with? Would the universe never end? What if the signal was never received in that short time it was unblocked? What if it was received but no species had the technology at the time to visit it? I know it's very coincidental to fit the romantic nature of the entire story, just as how (as far as we know currently) that we're the only intelligent species in the universe, so it's like a "what are the odds of all of this happening" kind of moment and is relatable through that, but it still seems so unbelievably strict. I personally thought it would be cool if The Prisoner was the one with the telescope who actually finds the Eye of the Universe to begin with, then it would make sense that they would want to defy their kind and unblock the signal. I just find the way it was presented a little sloppy I guess, like it seems as though the Prisoner was unaware of the consequences of turning off the Signal Blocker with the way they react to being captured, and yet when they deactivate it, they look around as if they know they're doing something that could be seen as an extreme offense. Did the Prisoner think that no one would notice if it was deactivated? Are they simply just naive? Were they just tired of living that life of being ina simulation? The information we're shown is purposely vague-the Prisoner wakes up from the simulation and decides to deactivate the Signal Blocker, what was the deciding factor in that? Now that I've seen that alternate ending, I get it, but I guess I'm still not completely satisfied. Side note, I love how you can actually see the Signal Blocker floating around the Eye of the Universe.
@@JustLostTheGame the prisoner WAS the one who discovered the eye, he's the one who constantly carries around the telescope, you can even find his house in the simulation with a telescope next to it. also the point of the entire DLC is that the owelks were too horrified by the fact that the universe would end to allow the eye to create a new one and the prisoner rebeled against that.
@@dr.cheeze5382 See, I thought that too, but then I went back and rewatched the slide of the Eye being discovered and it's not the same Owlk unfortunately, he has different antler patterns, as well as a different cloak pattern. I agree that that would make WAY more sense.
Wow. I don’t cry, like ever. Especially at fiction. Why am I bawling right now? I literally have tears streaming down my face wtf. This is the type of game that you want to last forever, but by its nature it has to end. And it knows that. That’s really what the whole game is about. I’ll have to carry memories of this world with me as I continue on to the next. I wish I could tell the devs thank you. This experience has had an absurdly large impact on my life.
Holy fuck I absolutely know that feeling. Outer Wilds feels like once in a lifetime experience, and it leaves no questions unaswered. That's the reason I hate it, I want this universe to go on and I want to experience it more. I've never cried after finishing a video game, but this cutscene broke me. I want this story to never end and I want to explore more.
I love the details. Like at 5:40, the picture you add to the circle at the start of your story. The edges are frayed and held together with ropes or something. It's a bit messy and haphazard, like your spaceship or the Outer Wilds program itself. It's not as elegant as the ones made by the Owlks.
such a beautiful moment, telling your story and that scream at the end. imagine coming up with the bravery to unleash the thing your entire race of people feared most, and then having to wonder for hundreds of thousands of years whether that was bravery or stupidity. The absolute relief that they must've felt realizing they managed to contribute like this to the next universes creation. while I have my problems with the DLC I don't really care much, just like with the main game they managed to tie everything together so nicely into an absolute tearjerker of an ending, and in like a quarter of the time too. when fist starting the DLC I felt like this would've been better as a standalone short game, separate from outer wilds, but now I can't see it as anything else but an integral part of this game's story, despite how disjointed from the wider mystery it appears.
Can only imagine how much it was a delight to the Prisoner to not only see a friendly face but a kindred spirit, someone also motivated by boundless curiosity of the unknown and an explorer.
The eniter dlc i was so confused. I kept asking how tf is this connected. But after realizing this is the reason the signal stopped and that the prisoner is supposedly what gives you the courage to go to the eye. It just felt like a missing unexplained part of the game finally made sense. Truly a wonderful dlc.
I legitimately think the only thing the ending could have used was you being able to see his light extinguish when you're exiting the tunnel. Just a glimpse of the green as he jumps into the water. It could have used that sting where you didnt expect him to die, but then the staff clarifies how hes feeling. That was literally my only critique, loved this more on the second watch
I don't think that would've been possible - remember that the lantern is their link to the simulation. You can only enter via using the lantern in the Stranger - and you will have a Copy of it in the simulation. This is the Link that connects you to the Dream World. You will be booted out of the simulation when either the Virtual or Physical lantern is extinguished, either by your own will or when forced. Same reason why you cannot see any lanterns when the individual chambers are flooded, extinguishing the connection of the owls. They lose the Connection outside, which also "kills" the lantern that links them inside. There are no "corpses" in the simulation.
@@Javlin95 Your brain goes into the simulation, the lantern doesn't follow lol. All the owls still have them in the real world. Continuity error on the devs' part
@@Digger-Nick I've edited my original comment so we wont get stuck in the details. I thought I didnt need to be precise, but here we are. Physical Lantern - outside Dream World copy Lantern - inside The copy lantern is your connection to the Dream World. Lose the flame in either of them, and you will be booted out. As you will lose connection....you wont leave a lantern inside. That is your connection. You do not leave a Corpse. This segment is not a continuity error, as there are NO vacant lanterns within the dream world.
@@Javlin95 True, but what I think the OP is asking is simply that as you reach the mouth of the tunnel you see the green wispy digital smoke of their soul disappearing from the simulation. Just a final confirmation that after all this time, he feels at peace enough to allow himself to die.
This is also the exact reason why you see four spots if you ever suffer damage, and why the screen fades and unfades. Yup, took me some time to realize that, too. :D
And that’s also why the quantum rocks don’t disappear when you look at them even if you blink, you only blink with two eyes at a time, so you don’t stop watching ^^
This was updated. The codes for the second and third locks (first is easy) were put in the game meaning you can use them to find the prisoner without dying. When you free him you can hear his lantern extinguish before you wake up and when you do you can see his body holding a now empty lantern. Forgot to mention that the chamber opens.
I brute forced the third lock (the alarm bell one) so I didn’t know you were supposed to get the end card after jumping in the water. Waking up to the prisoner’s now unlit lantern was a really cool moment that I’m now realizing most wouldn’t see.
Fun fact. I discovered the walking away from the lantern thing earlier than I should've. When I figured out the boat trick I probed for other possible glitches. Thinking not having the lantern would make me like in intangible to owls in the starlit Grove. Finding out there's a matrix was wild... trying to test if I was intangible did wind up with me getting my neck snapped. So ... that was fucked up. At least I was invisible.
i found the boat glitch by accident, but also on purpose at the same time. ironically i found the last piece of the puzzle first. i was just like, "lol what if i jump out in the dark" and it worked
Love how when the nomai show up in brittle hollow you can hear a harmonica- later Feldspar plays his harmonica there. Brittle Hollow you can hear drums and a second banjo- second banjo for the brittle hollow escape pod, drums for ember twin where the other escape pod landed, each with their respective hearthian with those instruments.
I just realized you could have stumbled on to the ending super easily just by jumping into the fire because you were curious, then slipping off of the boat when you were super freaked out by the transitioning scene between places, then to even that you could have just casually put down your lantern because why not! all of this stuff you could have found super easily!
God words could not describe how invested I was in this game. Started breathing real hard once the prisoner revealed themselves and the music, my GOD the music was just…I fucking LOVE this game
If this prisoner didn’t do what he did, the Universe would’ve just ended. Tbh, idk what drove him to cancel the signal. Maybe the eye sent him a message or maybe he believed that the way they were living in these simulations was sad and in a way wanted to end it all. Either way it was a beautiful ending nonetheless
Yea I think he realized that their fear of the end paralized their whole civilisation. When you think of it, the whole theme of the owlkins is that they have a hard time letting things go. They did it once for the eye but regretted it so badly. So they even build a virtual world because they wanted their old world back and they even found a way to circumvene death in a way but they ended up without any purpose.
The strangers worshiped the eye, but when they found that the eye's purpose was to end all life to recreate the universe they turned against the eye, refusing to see past the eye ending life. However the prisoner could see past that, and knew the eye, in the end, was benevolent.
Regardless of how the prisoner felt about the Eye, my take is that I think that he believe that other civilizations or anyone who stumbles one the eye's signal should learn the truth for themselves, and it shouldn't be hidden away.
Not all heroes wear capes. I loved this encouter, the player and the prisoner has a lot in common. You both are pawns in a game much larger than youreself, the prisoner was needed to release the eye for a few seconds. While the player was the catalyst to actually restart the universe.
@@quantumblauthor7300 i meaaaaaaan... Both of them going on a boat, sailing in the sunset while it engulfs them... Is a bit cheezy for me. But is still deserved so i'm fine with it
@@djarlem5719 That’s not cheesy, it’s literally supposed to be him saying “let’s move on the two of us together into the great beyond, the sunset.” As he commits suicide after recording this projection. He’s inviting you to be free of it all, and to move on together. I found it deeply touching on a personal level, these two different individuals finding themselves sharing a spiritual bond with one another.
Thank you, I no longer had my completed save file when I started the DLC. When I saw the cutscene where you show the history of the solar system after the prisoner's actions, I wondered if it was different as a result of my character on this save not actually knowing the history of the Nomai. And it was different! Your cutscene was a good deal longer, none of the stuff about the Nomai was in mine except for them building houses and then dying (it didn't show the comet either)
I felt this was important to point out, but when you look at the ground by the staff you can see his footsteps trail off into the water, officially ending his eternal imprisonment via extinguishing his lantern.
Echoes of the Eye was amazing! The story of the Stranger was even more sad than the story of the Nomai. The moment I found out that they sacrificed their whole planet in order to build the Stranger... And the moment I realized that because all of the sleeping chambers had the bells that wake you up that you had to kill yourself in order to not be woken up.... that messed me up!
The way the owlk just *pauses* before letting out it's call is clearly it trying to process what he ended up causing by turning off the probe for only a few seconds. 7:38
I love how its eyes were glowing when you hold the artifact on its face and not glow when you don't. Everything about them is super-cute. Except their mouths(Especially when they are smiling haha).
Honestly I wasn't a huge fan of this DLC but the ending made the whole thing worth it. The Prisoner's howling as he realizes his sacrifice wasn't in vain makes me tear up every time. Beautiful.
Especially sad when you realize the Hatchling probably also shared that they are in a timeloop. Otherwise the Prisoner wouldn't have walked into the water. They had faith you would finish the journey for everyone even though they knew they not remember it next loop. A leap of faith.
Imagine blocking the eye's single as to prevent the end of the universe, then your efforts are made to be in vain by a defector and then a race of former-nomads who literally brute forced their way to the eye (though they themselves did not live to see it)
On the original eye of the universe tapes, there's paintings indicating the death of all life, but on the original burned prisioner's house there's a last painting resembling the ones from the tape, that indicates that from their death, there would come life, but this last painting was ignored and left to rot, they were so scared that they treated the prisioner as a madman
My only question is why tf didnt the Owlks make their simulation more damage-proof? Didnt they realize that after a long period of time there real bodies would all decay and die, and their stranger world as well? If they had found some way to keep their fires in the artifacts stored inside an extremely durable place they could have lived perhaps a bit longer, though not eternally. I know the whole idea is acceptance of the end, but I'm thinking from the owlk POV here. They practically left themselves surrounded by running water only being held back by a dam that would be left unattended when they flee to the simulation, and the structures they entered the simulation from are just normal buildings with a little hidden wall.
It just hit me it's called "EchoeS" of the eye because: - The echo of the prisoner's short release of the signal attracted the Nomai - The echo of the nomai inspired the Hearthians - The echo of the entire universe helps shape the new one. God damn 😭
Whether by accident or design, this game is a fantastic lesson in spirituality that allows the player to befriend death. I've always had a strong tendency for anticipatory grief, so seeing this topic treated with such grace was an important experience that allowed me to make some further decisions in my life. I may have lost a cornerstone person recently, but the end doesn't invalidate any of the journey. The road goes ever on, and the only mistake we can make is to stagnate. Life and Death are the exact same thing. Die daily. Rilke said it too: Du musst das Leben nicht verstehen, dann wird es werden wie ein Fest. Und lass dir jeden Tag geschehen so wie ein Kind im Weitergehen von jedem Wehen sich viele Blüten schenken lässt. Sie aufzusammeln und zu sparen, das kommt dem Kind nicht in den Sinn. Es löst sie leise aus den Haaren, drin sie so gern gefangen waren, und hält den lieben jungen Jahren nach neuen seine Hände hin.
I think my only issue with this ending was what do I do after this? I went into the water and got the dlc title card and that was really it and then it looped again like normal. I wasn’t sure what else I could do, but it felt a little anti climactic
An interesting detail you didn't show is that when you exit the chamber you can see the prisoner's footprints heading to the water implying that he committed suicide.
The one thing I didn't understand about the story was that why did they have the destructive vision of the Eye? Did the Eye reject them? Did it reject them because they had destroyed their planet in order to pursuit the Eye?
The Eye is a sort of universe reset. When you get to it in the normal game it starts a new big bang, effectively destroying everything that was left and starting things anew. The Owls saw it as just the Eye killing them, but didn't grasp the larger picture that by that point the universe was already dying.
@@mojonojo they didn't know when the vision was coming to fruition, they just interpreted it as something that would happen at some point, and felt betrayed a regretful.
I'd say the Nomai. While the Owlkin had a nice cloaking field, signal blockers, and the ability to simulate themselves after death, the Nomai excelled at every other level. Liquid metal displays, Gravity Manipulation, instantaneous travel, Tech that can be moved just be looking at, a seemingly psychic ability to manipulate stone, and let's not forget, had the sun station succeeded, essentially time travel.
@@hyperx72 don't forget the Owlks predated the Nomai by potentially hundreds of thousands of years. Owlks were progressing well ahead of the Nomai until they stagnated. But aside from that you're right
@@matthewcox7946 I don't think the Owlkin really advanced their technology much until an external need arised. Look at their architecture for example, in every instance we can see (flashbacks, the stranger, and finally the dreamworld), the classical wooden houses remain unchanged, even though we know they've had a good amount of other materials and metals to use. Then there are the slide reels. Don't you think it's strange how, even in the untold number of years it took them to get from their home system to the Nomai/Hearthian's, they they never upgraded their history storing methods past choppy slides, heavy reels and large lanterns? Also note how that remains their ONLY method of storing their history compared to the Nomai's text, picture, liquid metal displays and audio logs. And lastly there's the stranger itself, a home in disarray that never had it's blasted apart airlock holes fixed, it's design flaw with the dam ever iterated on, and it's burned temples just littering perfectly good open spaces. Let's also not forget their main theme Elegy of the Rings, which sounds like it hasn't been iterated upon in a millenia.
@@matthewcox7946 Their vision torches, a near-magical device that can read and project memories; display in the same still-frames as their slides. Their Dreamworld, an amazing simulation that allows for life after death, and potentially any kind've reality they want; one environment, permanently at night, same architecture and tech as their old home. And worst, when their are annoying reminders of how imperfect the simulation is; Having to carry a lantern with you at all times that should never be put out, And the well-known glitches, never get patched out. It's my believe that while the Nomai are fundamentally curious, and would always drive greater technological prowess for the good of all involved, the Owlkin are fundamentally incurious, and save for the time they slipped into religious fervor, would be comfortable living in the past without needing to invent anything past what they've already got.
definitely the nomai. the elk had to destroy their entire planet to make a ship capable of reaching and understanding the eye. the nomai had instant travel and much better ships where they could casually take trips across the universe. and even after the vessel got destroyed in dark bramble, they managed to rebuild, create warp stations, a sun station (which admittedly didnt work) and created a time loop which could detect the eye despite the elks' best efforts.
I was sad for the Prisoner. He was imprisoned for maybe millions of years and felt guilty about his actions. But I realized, he could have suicided by blowing out his fire, right?
we didn't transfer our completed save data from PS4 to PS5, and I think it was missing the scene of the Vessel arriving in Dark Bramble, and the part with the Interloper
@@laith_iris no worries - I think it's very well designed to be able to show a cut down version just based on the things the hatchling would already know at the start of the game, yet still has the same emotional impact. (That said, it'd only be a quick loop or two to pick up the relevant logbook entries for Interloper/The Vessel)
Hmm.. you're getting music that I didn't get in the game even though I had my music volume up. That's really weird. I also had a bunch of random bugs like having a super hard time jumping off the ground in ash twin project and my settings opening when pausing the game. Anyone else had that? Also yeah, just finished the game and.. to be honest the ending was a bit meh to me. It was pretty inconclusive. I still have so many answers. Where did these guys come from in the first place? Where did that first planet come from? Why did they burn all their reels? How did they stay alive in the dream world after death? Why did the strangers want to kill me? How the fuck did they make a dream world? Me and my friend just finished this DLC and genuinely thought we fucked up the ending somehow and had to go somewhere to finish it. It was weird.. I feel weird about it. The base game alt ending helped a little but it's still meh. Incredible gameplay but the story could have been better in this DLC.
All those questions are answered in the dlc.... They came from a habitable moon from a different solar system. They burned all the reels so no one would know about the eye of the universe. They're consciousness is transferred from their minds into the virtual world therefore they dont need a body. I feel like you just looked up "how to beat the dlc" and didn't play it at all 😂
@@christiandog6582 I just didnt understand what was going on.. I only looked up 2 things when I got super stuck as an absolute last resort but other than that I played all of my 14.5 hours. Thanks for the answers but why be mean about it?
@@Fojabass That was one of the 2 things I looked up, lol. I didn't understand what happened there. I was like.. ok.. this guy died... but he went to the dream world anyways.. how?? It makes a lot more sense now that their actual consciousness got transferred but for some reason I didn't get that. There were other really obscure things I've seen other people struggle on that I got right away, so I guess that's just the downside of this style of game. Now I understand a lot more about how the lore fits together and I really like it. But at the time I just didn't take the time to think deeper about what I just saw. (also I think my friend fed into me being particularly salty about the ending since he usually does this at the end of games where he just isn't satisfied with the ending unless something mind blowing happens and it explicitly tells you it's the end) I enjoyed my time with the DLC, though
@@Swifter1243 To be clear, that's not a dream world. That's a simulation. It just seems like a dream to the player because they didn't know they were entering a simulation. There's a slide reel that shows the Strangers/owlkin using 3D modelling to make the simulation world and using the Artifacts to link the user's mind to the simulation That's also why if the fire in the Artifact goes out, you wake up. Your connection to the simulation is lost, so you exit the simulation. Also, the Strangers/owlkin aren't trying to kill you. They blow out your light, meaning they're trying to keep you out of their simulation (presumably in an attempt to stop you from learning more about their past)
So heartwarming that you show the prisoner that it’s sacrifice led the Nomai to the system and subsequently led to the hatchling (You) being inspired by the ruins to become an astronaut which then leads to you freeing the prisoner!
Oh hey it’s you. Thanks for uploading the soundtrack
It’s my pleasure
A great moment. And it proves that the protagonist is ultimately a kind-hearted character.
It wasn’t heartwarming to me. The Prisoner realized that he helped cause the death of a civilization. Betrayed everyone he knew to do it. Then, the video leaves out The Prisoners footsteps to the water, which boots you out of the simulation, which means that he committed suicide. If you die in the real world while being in the simulation, then try to return to the real world, you simply disappear as you are dead in the real world. Only their conscience was left in the simulation. Very sad ending to those that understood.
@@Zentinel_85 I do understand, but I see it more as bittersweet. The way the owls remove you from the simulation when they catch you is by blowing out your lantern because they know that that will cause you to wake up. They know they can never wake up, so they instead actively choose to keep their consciousness preserved in the simulation. They could, at any time they wished, jump into the water or blow out their own lantern.
The prisoner could have chosen to blow out their lantern at any time. But they chose to stay alive probably only to confirm to themselves that their action of letting the Eye signal loose (if only just for a few minutes) and subsequent suffering wasn't all in vain.
The Prisoner's species must have survived within the simulation for an incredibly staggering amount of time. They arrived who knows how long before the Nomai. And the Nomai were alive while the Hearthian distant ancestors were just leaving the subterranean tidepools!
The prisoner stayed alive willingly all that time. And the Player gives them the knowledge that the message was received. It is directly because of the Prisoner's sacrifice that the Player meets them all those millenia later. And he is freed.
They COULD have blown out their lantern, but instead they were granted the freedom to die in the way they preferred: by leaving their cell and walking into the water.
After, of course, leaving a beautiful final message to the Player. Bittersweet though it is, it's about as good an ending as the Prisoner could have hoped for.
The moment at 5:24 where he hands you the torch is the defining moment of the DLC, and it's on-par with finding the Project, Solanum, or the Vessel. You have spent this whole game hearing others' stories. But in this moment, you are the storyteller, and your voice is heard, and with that voice you bring peace to someone who has spent uncountable lifetimes feeling that they failed those they cared about.
And their cry of relief. At last, their sacrifice wasn't in vain.
Such an amazing game, also the music really conveys the emotion of the whole scene
This. This moment has been built up ever since the start of the base game.
Their little cry/yell when you validate them is everything. What a game.
And the kindness of the hatchling to leave out anything about the loop or the supernova. Just validate this dude and bring him peace. It's so good.
When I did this DLC I didn't have my original save file, I instead started it on a new game. Because my character did not know the Interloper was responsible for the death of all Nomai in the Solar System, those slides were slightly different. The Nomai just suddenly collapsed because it was still a mystery as to why. It truly was the Traveler explaining what he knew.
Such an incredible detail.
I did just the same ^^ very thoughtful of the makers
yeah and me in my new save i didn't discovered the nomai ship so it was different too!!
It'd be cool if there was even more detail. Like if it shows us finding the coordinates and warp core, showing the prisoner that we *can* reach the eye, thanks to them.
The prisoner's scream is unbelievably powerful. Anguish, triumph, experiencing hundreds of thousands of years of guilt and loneliness only to finally, finally see that his actions had a positive impact. Freedom. Grief. Release from the pain. It just communicates so much. I can't overstate my love for this game, i sincerely think it holds its own among the greatest masterpieces of fiction in human history and i will die on that hill (repeatedly on loop if i have to).
Can I just say how genius the alien design is in this game? Throughout the game,the only sentient life you meet is our own friendly slug people (who live off of marshmallows and sap wine) and the docile, curious goat people of the Nomai. We as a species had no sense of war, strife or fear. The Owlks are the first true hunter-gatherers we meet; they are meat eaters, almost true carnivores based off their dental profile. They know conflict as we humans do, it is embedded in their very survival.
I don't know why, but realizing that fact made me fear the Owlks before even entering the simulation. The fact that I could predict that our first encounters with each other would not be friendly based solely on THE DENTAL PROFILE of the aliens is something I deeply admire about this game. 11/10 best story I have ever experienced.
I just noticed that in the final message the prisoner leaves with the boat, the music is a blend of Hearthian instruments/theme and those of the owl race. What a pretty detail.
You're right. The music in this game is so perfect.
@@XIIIMPC Andrew Prahlow is a god
There's also some footsteps by the pole that lead into the water. He walked into the water and extinguished his own flame
Ya
Absolutely shat my pants when that hand came out of the dark to reach for the lantern, which made realizing the prisioner is friendly even cooler.
Legit screamed out loud.
Yeah I was playing while we had a guest over and they hear this OH MY GAW -HkH-
No spoken words in this entire game and I still cared more about each and every character than from a triple A title.
I think that the final message is the owl people's version of the afterlife. You're on a raft in a beautiful river with the sun shining its light, as you make your way towards the horizon. I love the fact that the raft only has a single light motor, which is lit by the sun, implying that this is a one-way journey. The Prisoner is grateful for what you did for his sake and hopes that you will be able to meet again on a new adventure in the afterlife. So sad and so beautiful.
No. The final message is the Prisoner saying to you that you will not be alone when you'll witness and be the cause of a new Big Bang. He will be there for you
And, because the new universe will be born literally in the music, he answers the call and play your culture's note with his people's culture instrument
indeed, man - very strong moment when you realize that he entered water (dying) and, in fact, invites you to do the same - so you together can go on in those who will come after
@@lollononcegana7327It is technically the same, the prisoner is just inviting you to follow him to the afterlife. We can debate wether that means he knows you're gonna create a new universe or die as soon as you touch the water.
Remember that he doesn't know of the time loop and that he knows that in order to reach inside of his prison you must have left your physical body behind, so it's logical to asume he thought you were going to die there as well. But he could also asume that perhaps you found a solution to that and were indeed going to reach The Eye.
In the end however it's the exact same thing, since in both cases he is telling you to go with him to your final travel. The afterlife.
Honestly, the 'strangers' are the most sympathetic antagonists ever written. Yes, they were scary, mislead, they locked up their own. But they were just scared, and who wouldn't be? They didn't know what we know. They didn't know that the universe had reached its natural end, that it was always going to be this way. In any other narrative, the owl people would be the heroes. So many stories about preventing the end of the universe, so little about accepting it.
One of the most poignant moments that really stuck with me is when you are exploring a burned out temple to the Eye, you can open a hatch at it reveals a picture of new life regrowing on the skull. Somehow this image survived the purges.
But that image comes from the slide of them getting visions of death from the Eye. Right before they freak out after reading what the Eye meant and that all will die, the Owlek begins to get a vision of this death leading into a new life. But the fear of the death made them stop paying attention to that part and immediately they focused on saving themselves from death. But those that still believed in the Eye were focused on the part of the image that showed new life.
It is such a minor detail... but the Owleks were too scared at the vision of death that they didn't even let the vision finish to show life.
@@Daniel4119 As far as i'm aware, the building you find that image in isnt a temple to the eye, but the prisoner's home; he was the only one who could realize the eye would also cause the rebirth of the universe while the others were only concerned with its death.
One of the things I loved most about this ending was the prisoner being the embodiment of acceptance of the ending of life. I feel the Strangers were scared of it, so their plan was to hide forever in their world, and try to prevent others from finding out to keep others happy. The Prisoner was never scared of it though, and by doing what they did, it was huge I thought in terms of helping others accept the end. This DLC is perfect to be played once you learn how to beat the game, but just before you actually do. The Prisoner helps you accept death, and gives you the strength to do what must be done. Excellent job by Mobius.
i started bawling when the prisoner let out their cry after witnessing your life story, a story only made possible by their work. they spent thousands of years trapped in that simulation, all for their efforts to pan out the best way they possibly could have while still being at the thing they feared most: the end of the universe that they so loved.
What are your thoughts on why The Prisoner deactivated the signal blocker, though? It's just so sudden in the cutscene and it looks like they had no plan, they just sort of did it. Did they just want the end of the universe to come naturally?
@@JustLostTheGame A version of him speaks to you at the end. He says that he saw his people become overtaken with fear, and recede from the world at the prospect of it one day coming to an end. He was the only one who was willing to put that fear aside, and let the world run its course as it was meant to. "Whatever comes next, I know it is not to be feared."
@@misero1444 I'm literally sitting here on the title screen of Outer Wilds after doing the ending again, expecting a new ending. You must've literally been typing this comment while I was experiencing exactly what you're talking about, what are the odds of that?
Life's funny like that, aside from that though-the motive is definitely a bit clearer now, but what if no one ever found/visited the eye to begin with? Would the universe never end? What if the signal was never received in that short time it was unblocked? What if it was received but no species had the technology at the time to visit it?
I know it's very coincidental to fit the romantic nature of the entire story, just as how (as far as we know currently) that we're the only intelligent species in the universe, so it's like a "what are the odds of all of this happening" kind of moment and is relatable through that, but it still seems so unbelievably strict.
I personally thought it would be cool if The Prisoner was the one with the telescope who actually finds the Eye of the Universe to begin with, then it would make sense that they would want to defy their kind and unblock the signal. I just find the way it was presented a little sloppy I guess, like it seems as though the Prisoner was unaware of the consequences of turning off the Signal Blocker with the way they react to being captured, and yet when they deactivate it, they look around as if they know they're doing something that could be seen as an extreme offense. Did the Prisoner think that no one would notice if it was deactivated? Are they simply just naive? Were they just tired of living that life of being ina simulation? The information we're shown is purposely vague-the Prisoner wakes up from the simulation and decides to deactivate the Signal Blocker, what was the deciding factor in that? Now that I've seen that alternate ending, I get it, but I guess I'm still not completely satisfied.
Side note, I love how you can actually see the Signal Blocker floating around the Eye of the Universe.
@@JustLostTheGame the prisoner WAS the one who discovered the eye, he's the one who constantly carries around the telescope, you can even find his house in the simulation with a telescope next to it. also the point of the entire DLC is that the owelks were too horrified by the fact that the universe would end to allow the eye to create a new one and the prisoner rebeled against that.
@@dr.cheeze5382 See, I thought that too, but then I went back and rewatched the slide of the Eye being discovered and it's not the same Owlk unfortunately, he has different antler patterns, as well as a different cloak pattern. I agree that that would make WAY more sense.
Wow. I don’t cry, like ever. Especially at fiction. Why am I bawling right now? I literally have tears streaming down my face wtf. This is the type of game that you want to last forever, but by its nature it has to end. And it knows that. That’s really what the whole game is about. I’ll have to carry memories of this world with me as I continue on to the next. I wish I could tell the devs thank you. This experience has had an absurdly large impact on my life.
Holy fuck I absolutely know that feeling. Outer Wilds feels like once in a lifetime experience, and it leaves no questions unaswered. That's the reason I hate it, I want this universe to go on and I want to experience it more. I've never cried after finishing a video game, but this cutscene broke me. I want this story to never end and I want to explore more.
@@ds2sofs I know right? The story of Outer Wilds is over, but I just hope that one day the devs will make something new that scratches this same itch.
I love the details. Like at 5:40, the picture you add to the circle at the start of your story. The edges are frayed and held together with ropes or something. It's a bit messy and haphazard, like your spaceship or the Outer Wilds program itself. It's not as elegant as the ones made by the Owlks.
such a beautiful moment, telling your story and that scream at the end. imagine coming up with the bravery to unleash the thing your entire race of people feared most, and then having to wonder for hundreds of thousands of years whether that was bravery or stupidity. The absolute relief that they must've felt realizing they managed to contribute like this to the next universes creation.
while I have my problems with the DLC I don't really care much, just like with the main game they managed to tie everything together so nicely into an absolute tearjerker of an ending, and in like a quarter of the time too. when fist starting the DLC I felt like this would've been better as a standalone short game, separate from outer wilds, but now I can't see it as anything else but an integral part of this game's story, despite how disjointed from the wider mystery it appears.
Can only imagine how much it was a delight to the Prisoner to not only see a friendly face but a kindred spirit, someone also motivated by boundless curiosity of the unknown and an explorer.
The eniter dlc i was so confused. I kept asking how tf is this connected. But after realizing this is the reason the signal stopped and that the prisoner is supposedly what gives you the courage to go to the eye. It just felt like a missing unexplained part of the game finally made sense. Truly a wonderful dlc.
I legitimately think the only thing the ending could have used was you being able to see his light extinguish when you're exiting the tunnel. Just a glimpse of the green as he jumps into the water. It could have used that sting where you didnt expect him to die, but then the staff clarifies how hes feeling.
That was literally my only critique, loved this more on the second watch
I don't think that would've been possible - remember that the lantern is their link to the simulation.
You can only enter via using the lantern in the Stranger - and you will have a Copy of it in the simulation. This is the Link that connects you to the Dream World. You will be booted out of the simulation when either the Virtual or Physical lantern is extinguished, either by your own will or when forced.
Same reason why you cannot see any lanterns when the individual chambers are flooded, extinguishing the connection of the owls. They lose the Connection outside, which also "kills" the lantern that links them inside.
There are no "corpses" in the simulation.
Seeing the vision staff standing alone by the lake shore was good enough for me.
@@Javlin95 Your brain goes into the simulation, the lantern doesn't follow lol. All the owls still have them in the real world.
Continuity error on the devs' part
@@Digger-Nick I've edited my original comment so we wont get stuck in the details.
I thought I didnt need to be precise, but here we are.
Physical Lantern - outside
Dream World copy Lantern - inside
The copy lantern is your connection to the Dream World.
Lose the flame in either of them, and you will be booted out.
As you will lose connection....you wont leave a lantern inside. That is your connection. You do not leave a Corpse.
This segment is not a continuity error, as there are NO vacant lanterns within the dream world.
@@Javlin95 True, but what I think the OP is asking is simply that as you reach the mouth of the tunnel you see the green wispy digital smoke of their soul disappearing from the simulation. Just a final confirmation that after all this time, he feels at peace enough to allow himself to die.
What really messed with me was how his footsteps led into the water afterwards. He was finally free.
I only just realized why the pain and fade to black effects start in the four corners of your screen. you have four eyes. wow
This is also the exact reason why you see four spots if you ever suffer damage, and why the screen fades and unfades.
Yup, took me some time to realize that, too. :D
I didn't realize till just now! Thanks for sharing the neat info c:
And that’s also why the quantum rocks don’t disappear when you look at them even if you blink, you only blink with two eyes at a time, so you don’t stop watching ^^
This was updated. The codes for the second and third locks (first is easy) were put in the game meaning you can use them to find the prisoner without dying. When you free him you can hear his lantern extinguish before you wake up and when you do you can see his body holding a now empty lantern. Forgot to mention that the chamber opens.
just incase someone wanted to recreate the ash twin project and brute force the solutions using a time loop....
or you know, datamine the game ig
I brute forced the third lock (the alarm bell one) so I didn’t know you were supposed to get the end card after jumping in the water. Waking up to the prisoner’s now unlit lantern was a really cool moment that I’m now realizing most wouldn’t see.
Fun fact. I discovered the walking away from the lantern thing earlier than I should've. When I figured out the boat trick I probed for other possible glitches. Thinking not having the lantern would make me like in intangible to owls in the starlit Grove. Finding out there's a matrix was wild... trying to test if I was intangible did wind up with me getting my neck snapped. So ... that was fucked up. At least I was invisible.
Same i discovered it compleatly on my own. Outerwilds really is the type of game to make you think outside the box.
i found the boat glitch by accident, but also on purpose at the same time. ironically i found the last piece of the puzzle first. i was just like, "lol what if i jump out in the dark" and it worked
Love how when the nomai show up in brittle hollow you can hear a harmonica- later Feldspar plays his harmonica there. Brittle Hollow you can hear drums and a second banjo- second banjo for the brittle hollow escape pod, drums for ember twin where the other escape pod landed, each with their respective hearthian with those instruments.
I just realized you could have stumbled on to the ending super easily just by jumping into the fire because you were curious, then slipping off of the boat when you were super freaked out by the transitioning scene between places, then to even that you could have just casually put down your lantern because why not! all of this stuff you could have found super easily!
Thats how I found the lanturn. It just is all so cool.
This is the thing I love about this game. You can do literally everything on the first loop, the only "power up" you get is just your own knowledge
yup, in true outer wilds fashion. its all been there since the start
6:08 the music building up and seeing the Vessel got me so hyped. I was like DAMN we're gonna tell the whole story to the Prisoner that's awesome!
How???how do you achieve such perfection? This game is the best game I've ever played in my existence
It really is!
God words could not describe how invested I was in this game. Started breathing real hard once the prisoner revealed themselves and the music, my GOD the music was just…I fucking LOVE this game
the prisoner was like solanum it had to use a way to communicate with the hatchling
His scream tells every thing
If this prisoner didn’t do what he did, the Universe would’ve just ended. Tbh, idk what drove him to cancel the signal. Maybe the eye sent him a message or maybe he believed that the way they were living in these simulations was sad and in a way wanted to end it all. Either way it was a beautiful ending nonetheless
Yea I think he realized that their fear of the end paralized their whole civilisation. When you think of it, the whole theme of the owlkins is that they have a hard time letting things go. They did it once for the eye but regretted it so badly. So they even build a virtual world because they wanted their old world back and they even found a way to circumvene death in a way but they ended up without any purpose.
if you do the normal ending after having met him, he will appear in the eye as well and have dialogue lines, which might answer some of your questions
The strangers worshiped the eye, but when they found that the eye's purpose was to end all life to recreate the universe they turned against the eye, refusing to see past the eye ending life. However the prisoner could see past that, and knew the eye, in the end, was benevolent.
Regardless of how the prisoner felt about the Eye, my take is that I think that he believe that other civilizations or anyone who stumbles one the eye's signal should learn the truth for themselves, and it shouldn't be hidden away.
Not all heroes wear capes.
I loved this encouter, the player and the prisoner has a lot in common. You both are pawns in a game much larger than youreself, the prisoner was needed to release the eye for a few seconds. While the player was the catalyst to actually restart the universe.
Such a good character...
The very end is a bit cheesy though... But it's fine
@@djarlem5719 come on bro. They just shared a deeeeply intimate moment.
The prisoners like your spiritual great great grandpa. Let it be cheezy
@@djarlem5719 damn, what are your standards for something to _not_ qualify as "cheesy?"
@@quantumblauthor7300 i meaaaaaaan... Both of them going on a boat, sailing in the sunset while it engulfs them... Is a bit cheezy for me. But is still deserved so i'm fine with it
@@djarlem5719 That’s not cheesy, it’s literally supposed to be him saying “let’s move on the two of us together into the great beyond, the sunset.” As he commits suicide after recording this projection. He’s inviting you to be free of it all, and to move on together. I found it deeply touching on a personal level, these two different individuals finding themselves sharing a spiritual bond with one another.
bro casually saved the whole universe and every universes that have to come just by letting the signal goes during 1 second
Thank you, I no longer had my completed save file when I started the DLC. When I saw the cutscene where you show the history of the solar system after the prisoner's actions, I wondered if it was different as a result of my character on this save not actually knowing the history of the Nomai. And it was different! Your cutscene was a good deal longer, none of the stuff about the Nomai was in mine except for them building houses and then dying (it didn't show the comet either)
I felt this was important to point out, but when you look at the ground by the staff you can see his footsteps trail off into the water, officially ending his eternal imprisonment via extinguishing his lantern.
Echoes of the Eye was amazing! The story of the Stranger was even more sad than the story of the Nomai. The moment I found out that they sacrificed their whole planet in order to build the Stranger... And the moment I realized that because all of the sleeping chambers had the bells that wake you up that you had to kill yourself in order to not be woken up.... that messed me up!
The way the owlk just *pauses* before letting out it's call is clearly it trying to process what he ended up causing by turning off the probe for only a few seconds. 7:38
really fun how the message of the horror dlc was to not be afraid
I love the music during this scene so much
I love how its eyes were glowing when you hold the artifact on its face and not glow when you don't. Everything about them is super-cute. Except their mouths(Especially when they are smiling haha).
I would've liked to have seen one with their normal, more human-like eyes that they have in some of the slides.
Still cool nonetheless.
They didn't look so cute to me when I was crapping my pants creeping through that damn lodge!!!!!!
Honestly I wasn't a huge fan of this DLC but the ending made the whole thing worth it. The Prisoner's howling as he realizes his sacrifice wasn't in vain makes me tear up every time. Beautiful.
Especially sad when you realize the Hatchling probably also shared that they are in a timeloop. Otherwise the Prisoner wouldn't have walked into the water. They had faith you would finish the journey for everyone even though they knew they not remember it next loop. A leap of faith.
Imagine blocking the eye's single as to prevent the end of the universe, then your efforts are made to be in vain by a defector and then a race of former-nomads who literally brute forced their way to the eye (though they themselves did not live to see it)
On the original eye of the universe tapes, there's paintings indicating the death of all life, but on the original burned prisioner's house there's a last painting resembling the ones from the tape, that indicates that from their death, there would come life, but this last painting was ignored and left to rot, they were so scared that they treated the prisioner as a madman
I was spoiled on what was in the vault and why, and I still almost cried.
Fuck this game. I wish I never played it, I'd feel 10000 times less fulfilledbut 10000 times happier.
Yeah, i understand ur feelings :(
I cried so hard at 7:30
My only question is why tf didnt the Owlks make their simulation more damage-proof? Didnt they realize that after a long period of time there real bodies would all decay and die, and their stranger world as well? If they had found some way to keep their fires in the artifacts stored inside an extremely durable place they could have lived perhaps a bit longer, though not eternally. I know the whole idea is acceptance of the end, but I'm thinking from the owlk POV here.
They practically left themselves surrounded by running water only being held back by a dam that would be left unattended when they flee to the simulation, and the structures they entered the simulation from are just normal buildings with a little hidden wall.
The music is so good
It just hit me it's called "EchoeS" of the eye because:
- The echo of the prisoner's short release of the signal attracted the Nomai
- The echo of the nomai inspired the Hearthians
- The echo of the entire universe helps shape the new one.
God damn 😭
Ha! The harmonica coming in at 6:29 kinda like the theme of The Dark Bramble, thanks to our friend Feldspar. that's awesome.
Whether by accident or design, this game is a fantastic lesson in spirituality that allows the player to befriend death. I've always had a strong tendency for anticipatory grief, so seeing this topic treated with such grace was an important experience that allowed me to make some further decisions in my life. I may have lost a cornerstone person recently, but the end doesn't invalidate any of the journey. The road goes ever on, and the only mistake we can make is to stagnate. Life and Death are the exact same thing. Die daily. Rilke said it too:
Du musst das Leben nicht verstehen,
dann wird es werden wie ein Fest.
Und lass dir jeden Tag geschehen
so wie ein Kind im Weitergehen von jedem Wehen
sich viele Blüten schenken lässt.
Sie aufzusammeln und zu sparen,
das kommt dem Kind nicht in den Sinn.
Es löst sie leise aus den Haaren,
drin sie so gern gefangen waren,
und hält den lieben jungen Jahren
nach neuen seine Hände hin.
Definitely by a design
greatest moment in gaming history
I think my only issue with this ending was what do I do after this? I went into the water and got the dlc title card and that was really it and then it looped again like normal. I wasn’t sure what else I could do, but it felt a little anti climactic
the ending is different, you should play though it again
An interesting detail you didn't show is that when you exit the chamber you can see the prisoner's footprints heading to the water implying that he committed suicide.
no no no no no no no please
This game, man
The one thing I didn't understand about the story was that why did they have the destructive vision of the Eye? Did the Eye reject them? Did it reject them because they had destroyed their planet in order to pursuit the Eye?
The Eye is a sort of universe reset. When you get to it in the normal game it starts a new big bang, effectively destroying everything that was left and starting things anew. The Owls saw it as just the Eye killing them, but didn't grasp the larger picture that by that point the universe was already dying.
@@PhyreSpore 👏👏👏
@@PhyreSpore To them, it wasn't dying. They saw the vision thousands of years ago, before the Nomai even received the eye's signal.
@@mojonojo I meant more like, by the time The Eye would have killed the Owlks, the whole universe would be dying along with them.
@@mojonojo they didn't know when the vision was coming to fruition, they just interpreted it as something that would happen at some point, and felt betrayed a regretful.
Does anyone know the song that starts when the prisoner gets on the elevator?
It's called the sound of water you can find it on spotify
it's "the sound of water" from the soundtrack. a fitting name considering how its implied the prisoner walked into the water to put out his flame :'(
Who do you think is more technologically advanced, the nomai or owl people?
I'd say the Nomai. While the Owlkin had a nice cloaking field, signal blockers, and the ability to simulate themselves after death, the Nomai excelled at every other level.
Liquid metal displays, Gravity Manipulation, instantaneous travel, Tech that can be moved just be looking at, a seemingly psychic ability to manipulate stone, and let's not forget, had the sun station succeeded, essentially time travel.
@@hyperx72 don't forget the Owlks predated the Nomai by potentially hundreds of thousands of years. Owlks were progressing well ahead of the Nomai until they stagnated.
But aside from that you're right
@@matthewcox7946 I don't think the Owlkin really advanced their technology much until an external need arised.
Look at their architecture for example, in every instance we can see (flashbacks, the stranger, and finally the dreamworld), the classical wooden houses remain unchanged, even though we know they've had a good amount of other materials and metals to use.
Then there are the slide reels. Don't you think it's strange how, even in the untold number of years it took them to get from their home system to the Nomai/Hearthian's, they they never upgraded their history storing methods past choppy slides, heavy reels and large lanterns? Also note how that remains their ONLY method of storing their history compared to the Nomai's text, picture, liquid metal displays and audio logs.
And lastly there's the stranger itself, a home in disarray that never had it's blasted apart airlock holes fixed, it's design flaw with the dam ever iterated on, and it's burned temples just littering perfectly good open spaces.
Let's also not forget their main theme Elegy of the Rings, which sounds like it hasn't been iterated upon in a millenia.
@@matthewcox7946 Their vision torches, a near-magical device that can read and project memories; display in the same still-frames as their slides.
Their Dreamworld, an amazing simulation that allows for life after death, and potentially any kind've reality they want; one environment, permanently at night, same architecture and tech as their old home. And worst, when their are annoying reminders of how imperfect the simulation is;
Having to carry a lantern with you at all times that should never be put out,
And the well-known glitches, never get patched out.
It's my believe that while the Nomai are fundamentally curious, and would always drive greater technological prowess for the good of all involved, the Owlkin are fundamentally incurious, and save for the time they slipped into religious fervor, would be comfortable living in the past without needing to invent anything past what they've already got.
definitely the nomai. the elk had to destroy their entire planet to make a ship capable of reaching and understanding the eye.
the nomai had instant travel and much better ships where they could casually take trips across the universe.
and even after the vessel got destroyed in dark bramble, they managed to rebuild, create warp stations, a sun station (which admittedly didnt work) and created a time loop which could detect the eye despite the elks' best efforts.
I was sad for the Prisoner. He was imprisoned for maybe millions of years and felt guilty about his actions. But I realized, he could have suicided by blowing out his fire, right?
does anyone know if the cutscene is shown like this even if you dont have a full save?
we didn't transfer our completed save data from PS4 to PS5, and I think it was missing the scene of the Vessel arriving in Dark Bramble, and the part with the Interloper
@@mollifiable thanks, someone i know lost their save before playing the DLC and i was fearing they would miss this scene
@@laith_iris no worries - I think it's very well designed to be able to show a cut down version just based on the things the hatchling would already know at the start of the game, yet still has the same emotional impact.
(That said, it'd only be a quick loop or two to pick up the relevant logbook entries for Interloper/The Vessel)
When i played this game the first time, I nearly pooped my pants at 3:38
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Hmm.. you're getting music that I didn't get in the game even though I had my music volume up. That's really weird. I also had a bunch of random bugs like having a super hard time jumping off the ground in ash twin project and my settings opening when pausing the game. Anyone else had that?
Also yeah, just finished the game and.. to be honest the ending was a bit meh to me. It was pretty inconclusive. I still have so many answers. Where did these guys come from in the first place? Where did that first planet come from? Why did they burn all their reels? How did they stay alive in the dream world after death? Why did the strangers want to kill me? How the fuck did they make a dream world? Me and my friend just finished this DLC and genuinely thought we fucked up the ending somehow and had to go somewhere to finish it. It was weird.. I feel weird about it. The base game alt ending helped a little but it's still meh. Incredible gameplay but the story could have been better in this DLC.
All those questions are answered in the dlc....
They came from a habitable moon from a different solar system.
They burned all the reels so no one would know about the eye of the universe.
They're consciousness is transferred from their minds into the virtual world therefore they dont need a body.
I feel like you just looked up "how to beat the dlc" and didn't play it at all 😂
@@christiandog6582 I just didnt understand what was going on.. I only looked up 2 things when I got super stuck as an absolute last resort but other than that I played all of my 14.5 hours. Thanks for the answers but why be mean about it?
@@Fojabass That was one of the 2 things I looked up, lol. I didn't understand what happened there. I was like.. ok.. this guy died... but he went to the dream world anyways.. how?? It makes a lot more sense now that their actual consciousness got transferred but for some reason I didn't get that. There were other really obscure things I've seen other people struggle on that I got right away, so I guess that's just the downside of this style of game. Now I understand a lot more about how the lore fits together and I really like it. But at the time I just didn't take the time to think deeper about what I just saw. (also I think my friend fed into me being particularly salty about the ending since he usually does this at the end of games where he just isn't satisfied with the ending unless something mind blowing happens and it explicitly tells you it's the end) I enjoyed my time with the DLC, though
@@Swifter1243 To be clear, that's not a dream world. That's a simulation. It just seems like a dream to the player because they didn't know they were entering a simulation. There's a slide reel that shows the Strangers/owlkin using 3D modelling to make the simulation world and using the Artifacts to link the user's mind to the simulation
That's also why if the fire in the Artifact goes out, you wake up. Your connection to the simulation is lost, so you exit the simulation. Also, the Strangers/owlkin aren't trying to kill you. They blow out your light, meaning they're trying to keep you out of their simulation (presumably in an attempt to stop you from learning more about their past)
@@contramuffin5814 if you set down the artifact and then get caught, they will kill you