The easiest and best way to refill 1lb propane bottles
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- This video is a follow up to the first video that I made showing how I refill a 1 lb propane bottle. After posting that video, some discussion was initiated as to whether the method that I used was the most efficient. Although I was aware that you could manipulate the valve to allow for more space for propane to transfer I do not use that method because it is one more step and sometimes it can be hard to reach the valve when you are filling. I was also concerned with the possibility of over filling and expansion that can occur with temperature change. I was aware of the valve could be manipulated during refilling however, I was not aware that is the sole purpose of it. I erroneously called it a relief valve. After weighing a new and empty bottle I found that there is approximately 1 lb of propane in a new bottle. Using the one step easy method that I showed in my first video resulted in the bottle only being filled 3/4 full. I thought it was fair that I show both methods so that the viewer can decide which method they want to use, the easy or the best.
There's so many ways to do this. Just read the comments for plenty of other great informative instructions. Thanks for your video.
True, many ways to skin a cat as they say. I read all my comments. I learn so much more from community than I do from my own experience. Thanks for stopping in to say Hi!
Nice video. I learned a lot from you and also reviewing the comments which were helpful and not mean spirited.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you..I recently bought the adapter to do just this... this helped a lot...always learn something from you....
Glad I could help! It has save me so much money over the last 25 years. Now I see they make adapters with hoses and a squeeze valve so you don't have to keep screwing and unscrewing the tank valve.
My grandpa used to have a tractor converted to propane. We filled it without a pump by opening a pressure relief valve on the tractor tank until liquid started coming out. One detail about refilling those bottles, people may tell you it is illegal. It isn’t illegal to refill them but it is against DOT regulations to transport a refilled bottle on the highway. I don’t know how anyone could tell unless you waived your 4th Amendment Right and confessed. Thanks for the video Terry. I’ve been refilling 1lb. bottles for years. Of course I’d never transport a refilled one. 😉
I've thought that as well,,,,,,How would anyone know when it was filled? In perspective its also a federal crime to tear off the mattress tag...LOL!
@@TRERUNSWILD you can remove the tag on a mattress if you are the consumer, it says it on there. plus you can get a bit more lp in your tank by using a small allen key in the opening instead of pulling the Schrader valve, it does the same thing. if your empty weight is 13oz and a pound is 16 you after weight would be 29oz if over you press on the opening a few times to desired weight.
Thanks for the video. Not sure what you mean about the valve. It is an overpress device. If the bottle gets too hot the excess propane will vent through the valve due to pressure and that is its purpose. It just so happens to be a means to get more propane in the bottle because venting off the propane cools the bottle allowing more to go in. I would recommend like you not to mess with the overpress valve. Leave it alone. Another failure point to worry about. Freeze the bottle alone in my experience fills completely and can actually overfill it as well if the 20 pounder is fairly full. Be safe!
Over fill? Is this an issue? Or will the excess just bleed off threw the valve after taking it off and as it comes to room temp?
@@TH-cam_is_complete-total_shit - huge concern. You don’t want to overfill thinking oh it will bleed off if necessary through valve. Just fill it to the proper level
I quite agree, the one step works fine for me too. I just take a couple of 1 lb cylinders with me extra on trips. Also I put a brass cap on each cylinder to make sure there are no leaks.
Thanks for watching the vid!
Where do you find the brass caps for the canisters?
Good advice . I like using those sturdy brass caps after refilling propane bottles. No need to worry about any slow leaks of gas after multiple refills.
@@geniesmith7319 Amazon sells them by the gross...brass is not cheap right now.
I can personally attest that it is possible to overfill these tanks by either method you demonstrated. I know this because I have done it . This can occur under ideal conditions, which I would say is a full 20 lbder on a hot day. These tanks, and for that matter any propane tank are designed to be filled to 80% to allow for expansion in the heat without excessive pressure.Gas compresses, liquid propane will not, and the result of a severely overfilled 1 lb tank will be a bulging tank(yup, I did this) or worse.I see you weigh each tank and that is the correct thing to do every time you fill a tank. Never put more than 1 lb of gas in an empty tank.I have used just about every method that has been thought of, but in the end I weigh each tank so I know exactly how much I've put in it and if I'm over by more than the smallest amount, I just bleed it off by popping the top valve. I never felt comfortable messing with the side valve so I left them alone. I agree with you that if your getting a tank 3/4 full using your quick( and in my opinon safest) method I pesonally would be happy with that. Three most important things I'd recommend:1-do it outside,period. If some goes wrong there will be super cold propane spraying all over the place. 2-weigh your tanks ,just as you did. 3-always check for leaks and if you get one pop the valve a couple times and that will usually reseat it.Thanks for your video.
All wise and courteous ideas. Thank you.
Exactly even 20 lb. Grill tanks weigh 12 ta 15 lbs for summer heat. If you ever get a true 20 lbs I'd be freaking out on the way home lol
Start with a totally empty bottle. Then you have to weigh them prior and after filling just to be certain. The difference must be less than 1 lb to feel safe. If overfilled, you have to let some out (slowly outside away from anything to ignite) prior to use. It does waste propane if you keep overfilling them - but practice makes perfect.
@@country4lyfe365 Blue R. and other Home DePLowe's tanks are filled to 15lbs. I think this is more 'rip off' than an insurance issue. Real 20 lb tanks have 20lbs in them when filled by my local Medical Gas supplier. I asked about it...no danger.
@@normalhuman428Ha Ha yes ,I agree walmart, HD,Irvings etc. don't really "fill" their 20lb tanks. I go to a local hardware and supply store and get a full 20lb fill in the same tank like you for 5 or 6 dollars less than the Walmart swap where as you say you get only 15 lbs. The nice thing about Walmart though is if you have an old completely rusty tank with no hope of recertification thay will swap it for a good filled(by their standards) full tank.The people there just don't care. I swapped a couple that looked like they'd been on the bottom of the ocean for ten years, no problemo. But as I understand it even a 20lb tank with 20lbs of gas in it will stil be only 80% full . All modern 20 lb tanks come with a float valve on the inside to prevent more than that to be put into the tank. I heat my house with gas and I have a 120 gallon tank which is never filled to more than 100 gallons for that reason as explaned to me by the service guy.Cheers.
Thank for your video on refilling these little tanks. Great Job!
Glad it was helpful!
1. Net wt means weight of product, not total package (that is gross weight).
2. The reverse Schrader valve at the shoulder is absolutely an overpressure relief.
Well, thats what I thought. Of course someone called me out saying they worked at the plant and it was only for filling.
@@TRERUNSWILD Maybe that’s all they see…. I’ve tried using it and don’t find it helpful. I just unthread the tank from my fill hose a bit once it has some liquid to work with and let it hiss until cool enough to take the full 16oz charge. Hands free…. I filled a half dozen last weekend.
@@DougKremer I appreciate the feedback.!
@@DougKremer Engineering 101. I do not believe any plant would use an overpressure device for filling. That's what the main valve would be for. Exercising the overpressure device repeatedly with deliberately over pressurized tanks will probably be done with random tanks pulled from the manufacturing batch for qual testing.
@@davidmajors514 I don’t think the reverse schrader valve is used for factory filling either.
Thanks. I just watched the regular way, then Google recommended your video. This supplements the other video very well.
Thanks
Metal scissors on a metal tank. Possibility of static electricity. I think i just keep on buying mine
The method that i use, i get a full tank all the time...you have to cool your tank before filling (not in the freezer method)...what you do is screw your small tank on the big one, then open the valve for 3 seconds and close it...then remove the small tank and with a pen just purge the tank from the screwtop not the release valve for 5 seconds.(keep your gloves on)... and that cools the inside of the tank better then the freezer method ...then refill your tank normally and you will have a full tank and maybe a little more (maybe 1.985 to 2.0 which is ok)
OH! That makes a lot of sense. I will try that
Thank You!
you should add a piece of hose between the adapter and the empty so you can stand the empty up right to get a proper fill. open the relief valve while filling and when liquid comes out its full. gravity makes the liquid go to the bottom of the tank.if you hold the tank sideways and the valve is at the bottom you get liquid before its full, also you risk over filling with it sideways . you are better off holding the empty vertical and the full sideways if you dont have a hose or a 90degree adapter
Valid point mb-13. Thank you
Great video! Very informative! You answered some of my questions. Thank you and keep up the good work.
Glad it was helpful!
My eye started twitching watching you use that crescent wrench! Lol
LOL! So far I have slipped..........so far!
Great video...bottom line is I’m doing this to save money and increase convenience, not throw in extra steps/equipment just to squeeze out an extra ounce or two per bottle
I totally agree. Plus the more you fiddle with valves the sooner they will fail
Use those available brass screw-on caps on propane bottles you've refilled multiple times and never worry about possible slow leaks again.
Thanks. Really enjoy your channel
Glad you enjoy it!
If you set your large tank upside down on a level surface, screw the small tank on until the relief valve is in a consistent position ( think of a clock face ) and you hold it open with your forceps and put liquid in until liquid escapes through the relief valve, you will get the same amount of liquid each time. You just need to determine where the position is, on the clock face, that equals 1 pound of liquid in your small tank. Hold that little valve open for the whole fill cycle, don't fill, vent, fill, vent, etc. and be ready to shut off the big tank as soon as you see liquid coming out of the small tank. I do this all the time and, because I have my empty tanks marked with their empty weights, I can check them after filling and I am consistently within 2/10 oz. Another thing you need to be aware of is that the tanks will weight different amounts when empty, especially from one brand to another, but also within the same brand. Part of that is because some tanks have a plastic rim on their bottoms to help them stand upright (the tanks themselves are all rounded on the bottom because spheres contain gasses better) and others weld on a steel rim, so weigh each empty tank and mark it for future reference.
I just bought the flame king system and what you described is how they work so seems your way is solid. Excellent point about brand weight differentiation and rim plastic. I had not considered that. Than k you.
I was always told to release the air from the main valve and leave that small relieve valve alone, I think that is a faster way to remove unwanted air from the tank, and when it starts spewing LP you know the air is gone.
Yes, I think you are correct. I was trying not to have to keep unscrewing the bottle but I think using the side valve has more chance for failure than the main valve.
I agree. Easy method is what I prefer and use here in the Pacific Northwest. What would happen if you placed your empty bottles in the freezer for about an hour before filling? Would that help in filling them fuller?
I have done that. Yes is supposedly does help. If I think far enough ahead I do it or just set them outside when its below freezing. Usually, its just spur of the moment and I just go with what I have around.
Tipping the small canister up when you vent it defeats the purpose. The gaseous propane (not air) goes to the uppermost part of the canister - away from the vent valve. It is the gaseous propane that you want to release to make room for more liquid propane.
I did not know that! Thank you for the tip. I have a few bottles to fill and will try this out!
@@TRERUNSWILD let me know what you think.
The overpressure valves (that can be pulled out to purge vapor-gas) tend to FAIL and leak after the can gets old. Probably best to get one of the cans designed to be refillable that have a purge valve built in. Like Flame King sales for about $15. can use over and over and has Purge Valve that can be turned with allen key.
I saw a video where a guy mentioned this and said he tightens then back down by turning them like a screw. I’m not sure I’d go that far and probably just toss it. Have you ever heard of doing that? Thoughts?
The best price I can see these days is $56 for the Flame King refillable tank. Price-gouging at its best.
Much more expensive nowadays.
take a small allen key and purge air out of the center valve , a few times per tank , side valve will eventually leak , good vid!
Thanks for the tip!
I agree with the easy method. Not because it is easier but because it is probably safer because you aren't running the risk of over-pressurizing the disposal tank.
How are you going to over-pressure the 1# bottle? The 1# bottle and the 20# bottle have the same pressure rating. You’re equalizing the two bottles when doing a refill. Fully depressurize the 1# bottle to create the max differential pressure. When you equalize the inverted 20# bottle with the 1# bottle you end up transferring the maximum liquid mass. And there’s a safety valve on the bottles. Science. Blaise Pascal made a law to help explain it.
@@OttawaMikes - Propane tanks shouldn't be filled more than about 80% to allow for expansion. Liquid propane boils at a very low temperature (phase change from liquid to vapor) and an over-filled tank can explode on a hot summer day because it has nowhere to expand as it goes through that phase change. This is even more probable with over-filled disposable tanks because they have a thinner wall than refillable tanks and can't withstand the pressure.
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@@TRERUNSWILD - It appears you replied a few minutes ago but I don't see it.
I have done both methods. Screw the tank in to the coupler connection to the propane tank. Turn it upside down, open the propane valve, listen to hear the tank fill. When the filling sound stops use forceps, to open the side valve SET in the TWO o'clock position. When propane squirts out the tank is full. Now the easy method. Put the empty cylinder in the freezer, letting it sit for half an hour. Then take it out, attach it to the propane tank. Turn the tank upside down, and open the valve, for two minutes or so. And the tank will be full, and in some cases an ounce or so more than full. But there is still enough air space in tanks to keep the tank safe. BTW: The side valve serves as a safety valve to release internal pressure with these canisters if they are overheated, thus preventing a canister from rupturing. The side valve is not for filling the canister. The canisters are company filled from the center valve.
Makes sense! Speaking of... I'm about due to fill a few bottles. I tried the flame king method and it actually lets out more LP into the air than this method
@@TRERUNSWILD Yes, not only are you letting out LP by messing with the relief valve, there is that burst when the canister is detached. The Flame King bottles can be filled the same way, without releasing any propane. Just put the Coleman or Flame King canisters in the freezer to cool off for a half hour or so, take them out and and then attach to the propane tank which should be at more or less room temperature and fill the canisters up. Filling will stop at about 80%. I have not had a Flame King canister in hand, and wonder if they even have a Schrader relief valve such as are found on Coleman canisters.
@@SRSchoner I’d have to go look at one of my flame king bottles but from memory the release is built into the brass neck collar and not the bottles ?
The purge of pressure was not done right.
The purge pin should be located towards the top of cylinder.
This allows the purge to release pressure and not liquid propane.
A total fill is able to be done of 16 oz propane for a total weight of 31 oz.
Tare weight is 15 oz.
Good point Bill. Thanks
Believe tare weight is more like 13.5 oz so total should be 29.5oz but probably fine either way
13.4 oz - 14 oz.
empty.
29oz - 30.5oz full new from store.
I'm refilling (12) tonight.
I use a silver sharpie and decent quality digital scale.
I handle them individually. No "purging" vapor.
I always open my tanks all the way, and then back a quarter of a turn, cranking them all the way open (to where it's tight) is what makes them leak.
Hmmm. I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for the tip!
Awsome..this answered all my curiosities.. very helpful ..Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Wow, I’ve watch a bunch of these refill videos and every one seems like it’s the first time the person is doing it!!!
Hard to imagine I’ve been doing this since about??? 1997-98??
@@TRERUNSWILD Please read my earlier response. You are lucky to be alive.
@@Euphroe How are you going to over-pressure the 1# bottle? The 1# bottle and the 20# bottle have the same pressure rating. You’re equalizing the two bottles when doing a refill. Fully depressurize the 1# bottle to create the max differential pressure. When you equalize the inverted 20# bottle with the 1# bottle you end up transferring the maximum liquid mass. And there’s a safety valve on the bottles. Science. Blaise Pascal made a law to help explain it.
@@OttawaMikes Thank you for your input. Everything you say is accurate.
I am familiar with Mr. Pascal's Law. I did not say anything about over-pressurization.
In our industry - valves have been known to leak, break and jam open especially when being disconnected.
LP expands at the rate of 19:1 and has flammability at very low concentrations. A leaking 1# bottle that is spews LP too cold to hang onto is a conflagration in the making. The potential exists for both bottles to malfunction in the hands of untrained personnel.
Ya know, I was tempted to try this DIY. The markup ounce per ounce on the 16 ounce tanks is brutal. But, after watching this, and a few other videos on the subject, the price per tank of less than $4 doesn't seem so bad after all.
I guess if you use a LOT of them, it would be more beneficial. The primary reason for me to do it would be environmental, to avoid the disposal of the throwaway tanks. But, I'm not a big user.
Still an interesting video. Thanks. You helped me decide, heh.
BTW, anyone know why the connectors are left hand threaded?
Definitely worth it if you use a lot. Probably not if just occasional use. (like you said) Not sure why the threads are opposite. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.
All gas tanks and containers are reverse thread, so you can't hook up a Oxygen line to it!!!!
It "weeds out" the "undesirables"
I place all my empty Coleman bottles in the freezer for 10-15 minutes max and then fill them. I get a good 30oz fills on all four. No need to leave them in freezer for hours or overnight. Just need to be slightly chilled. 10-15 minutes in the freezer and fill immediately. You're welcome. Leave the valves alone.
I've done that in the past with chilling. Then I ran out of space and kind of quit doing that. I'm not sure why I haven't gone back to that. hmmm....
Agreed, this works very well.
I Was always under the impression that there should be a void space in the tank above the liquid propane so that the liquid has a space to form the gas itself. If you have solid-liquid in there and no space and you might be asking for trouble.
Hmmmm. I’ve never even considered that. Interesting point. 🤔
yes , they are designed to release liquid when 80% full , thats why its important to stand the empty in the proper upright position for filling . fiilling on its side causes it to not function properly and can result in overfilling , which is very dangerous . if you get a proper refill adapter you see it allows the empty to stand upright and has a fill valve that has to be held open so it can be closed as soon as its full , again to prevent over filling
Interesting. Thanks.
You're welcome. Thank you for stopping by to hang out with us and leavin a comment to say hI!
I agree, easy fill and go. Excellent video. Easy and safe. Thank you.
You're very welcome Randall. Thanks for the comment!
Great info, thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Approximately, how long will a full one burn. I'm using them for a grill. So don't want to be thinking I'm grilling food and the tank has run out. That way I'll know after using one for X number of hours It's time to swap it out for a full one and refill it.
If I use it in my buddy heater and its full, it will burn about 5 hours on low. Depends on the burn rate and BTU of your device. Always good to have an extra as a spare.
There is no air inside propane tanks, unless you pressurized then with air. It is simply propane in its gas form. When people say that they are opening the valve to let out the pressure, they are really not doing much. As long as there is propane in its liquid state inside a sealed container the pressure will remain relatively the same, provided that the ambient temperature does not change.
To make a long story short the best way to get a full charge is to have the 20 lbs tank upsides own and the 1lb tank right side up. This can be achieved with a 90 • elbow or a hose. Then you can open the relieve to let out some of the gas in order to make room for the liquid.
Thank you Santiago. That’s the best explanation I’ve heard about what is released. I just recently bought the flame king system and it is set up just as you described with one up and one down.
Yes. Empty tanks are filled with nitrogen...not air. If you let air into your propane tank, they you must have it purged by a professional. People who leave their tanks outside open after a very short time will have moisture in the tank that must be removed. Very few places will purge your 'Dad's old' propane tank and those that do charge a fee almost as much as a new tank. This has been my experience.
i have bottles that is halfway. tried to fill it up using that method. but instead of filling up. i lost a little. kept on trying. but not filling up at all. i check the adapter and it's good. i tested the adapter to see if its clear and it is. what is the problem?
Try throwing the little bottle in the freezer and get it cold. It will help with the transfer. I typically get about 3/4 full.
Some good info!! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
It is possible that pulling on the steel valve with steel pliers could slip and a micro spark could all end badly. I would personally buy the refillable cylinder and kit, cost more but at least your insurance is not void if they find you went against the warning on the side of the bottle "do not to refill" and the fines available by DOT if transported or valve found leaking not designed for re use.
I have the refillable flame king. I've had leaking issues with it. Not a huge fan.
Type A personality - I always use the more in the bottle method - that 1.9 lasts about 6 hours in a Mr Buddy, which is the amount of sleep I like - the 1.7 or 1.6 always seems to stop heating my tent at 4 hours - I start to freeze, have to wake up and change out the tank, then try to get back to sleep! Method 2 for me!
Makes sense to me!
That valve is indeed a high pressure relief valve. Leave it alone. You could damage it. Use an appropriately sized allen key to open the main valve at the top of the tank.
Allen wrench.......good idea
A good idea
Works for me. Lately I can't even get new bottles at my store due to shortages.
Is that a Metric, or Standard Adjustable Wrench?
Ha! Good one!
Easy method, hands down. I have a couple of dozen bottles & I don't care if they are not completely full with the extra screwing around I would need to do to get them fuller. No thanks. Also, unless you have super hearing you won't be able to tell if the bottle is still being filled. I used a stethoscope, listening at the bottom of the bottle, & I could still hear it being filled even after a minute and a half. Plus, I turn on the valve to fill the bottle, come back in 15 minutes, & it's about as full as it will get.
Oh interesting about it still filling even after no sound! I'll keep that in mind and maybe give it another minute or so.
@@TRERUNSWILD My hearing ain't what is used to be so that's why I decided to use the stethoscope. I couldn't hear anything after a minute or so, but with the stethosope I could still hear sounds for another 30 seconds or more. Now I just leave it on for 10-15 minutes and it get as filled as it will get.
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Just FYI:
"Net Weight": _The weight of goods being shipped that does not include the weight of wrapping material, container, or other packaging._
Gotcha! Thanks!
The little valve on the top /side of the 16 oz propane can IS a safety pressure relief valve. It is not intended for refilling purpose.
That's what I thought! Some guy claimed he worked at the bottle factory and said I was wrong.
You can bleed the air out of the Schrader valve in the neck too. It's much easier that way because you're just pressing down on the pin, like on tires. ...and since just pressing down, the pin stays straight. ..also, the pressure in the bottle will help seal the valve shut that way and the pressure works against the valve if you breach that vent Schrader valve. I find it's best to leave that vent alone. But do check them both with soapy water. I like to completely dunk the whole bottle in a bucket of soapy water to check the whole bottle for leaks while ridding it of that foul odor of propane that's left after filling. It's also a good idea to reinspect the 2 Schrader valves after a half hour or so. Lots of times you wont notice a leak but when you recheck it, you'll notice a foam plug coming out of one or two valves. Finally, people need to know that propane is a HTA gas (heavier than air). When it leaks, it settles in low areas . you won't smell it but you could be wading in it. Its good to do it outdoors and no smoking. It might seem ok until you toss your butt on the ground to stomp it out. If doing this indoors, I would say that a well vented area would include forced air from a fan blowing across the floor to the outside. ..things like pilot lights from water heaters or furnaces could just be waiting for the level of propane to rise up to ignite it. ...this has been a public service announcement.. ;^)
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I don't know why I should have to say this; Your are not releasing trapped air from within the cannister. It is vaporized propane, the stuff you burn when using the tank. There has to be a vapor space in the tank to convert the liquid propane to a gas. Always! and that is why the 1lb cannisters are meant to be used vertically.
@@SuperJellicoe you dont have to say it. I know how propane works. I know there's propane in the air that gets released. The point is that its easier to dump it from the push in valve rather than the pull out valve.
@@jdog4534 You know about propane and air but you are still hanging on to the theory that is it air present in the tank. It is not air, it is propane vapor, and yes exhausting some propane vapor will allow you to put more liquid propane into the tank, however there is really no advantage. All that said, you and I have an understanding of liquid and gaseous properties of propane, BUT many or your viewers will not, and it is imperative that you speak clearly to the viewers.
@@SuperJellicoeapparently you've never refilled these 1 lb propane bottles.. when you buy them new, they come with one pound of propane in them. You will never get a pound of propane back in them from another tank without bleeding them off once after its been equalized with the filling tank. When you bleed it off, the stuff that comes out first is clear and has little propane smell. I bleed it for 8 seconds then back to be equalized again that brings it to a pound. +/- depending on how much is left in fill tank.
Another thing I recommend is to get a brass screw cap with a rubber gasket on it keep on the bottom until you're going to use it in case it leaks a little bit or something... .. also, if you're using it somewhere those little buddy heaters it holds two propane bottles, always have two propane bottles on there when you're using it even if one's empty. In case there's is leak out of the port or something like that.. it won't leak if there's a bottle screwed onto it.
Please don't use forceps on the "safety pop-off" valve on the side of your 1lb. tank you will damage it and they tend not to reseat properly after doing that. (ask me how I know?)
There are much better and safer ways to "purge" the air and excess fumes from the top of a 1# pound bottle, So what is the better way you ask?
Instead of using forceps use a small Allen wrench or even a small wooden stick to avoid a spark ? Then depress the Schrader valve in the center of the tank be sure to use your scale to weigh it in order to keep from "overfilling it".. (while wearing your PPE right?)
Plus also note that it is actually "illegal" to transport refilled bottles which are designed to be "disposable." by their manufacturer..in this case Coleman,
Or just pay the extra money for a D.O.T certified refillable cylinder? Like I did although I paid dearly for it...
SUPER solid advice Kevin. I did end up buying the flame king refillable and honestly, I've had more leaks during filling in that process so went back to doing it myself. I'll take your advice!
excellent ..
Thank you hillbilly yo. I appreciate you taking the time to comment. I’m glAd you enjoyed the vid.
To begin with, the bottle lable says NET WEIGHT. That means contents ONLY.
If the lable said GROSS weight then it would be the steel bottle and contents combined.
I know it is not easy to make these videos. That is why I have not posted mine. But this is awkward and clumsy. With 2x too much talk. Imprecise talk.
If you would get one open end wrench of the right size and keep it with your propane equipment, it would tend to smooth out part of your presentation.
As I recall you mentioned doing this in an area with PLENTY of air. Also don't do it near pilot lights and similar hazards.
I hope you will try again. You have something to offer here. Just smooth it out so some guys who are hard to teach will listen to you.
Thank you for the input and taking the time to give feedback Constructive criticism is always welcome.
You r inside do u need a light
I will!! Thanks! Always appreciate tips to help me learn
You would of got more in both ways if you kept the small,canister upright and down below the big one. Big one should be room temperature or warm and the 1lp tank should be cool. It’s all splitting hairs though like you said...how big of a deal do you want to make it?
Hmmm. I hadn't really thought of the tank placement upright versus sideways, but yeah that a good point! Thanks for that, I'll try it
The question is was your tank full ? The fuller the tank the more you will get in your small tank .
Hmm. Wouldn't the pressure be the same in the big tank remain constant either way? I guess I've never thought of that being a factor. Interesting...
John, You are barking up the wrong tree... Read and understand Boyle's Law.
When I check my Schrader valves for leaks I just flick my bic. I figure, what's the worst that could happen ?
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why do people cover/blur their license plates?
So people cant find their home address.
DO NOT REFILL THESE BOTTLES! It's dangerous, and that is something I am not willing to live with (read the bottle instructions). If you have to use 1 LB bottles buy a Fame King refillable bottle; which are designed to be refilled. Better yet, get hoses, adapters, and a regulator to connect to your device. Be smart, and please be safe! DO NOT REFILL THESE BOTTLES!
I appreciate you looking out for me and others. I did buy a Flame king after I posted that due to comments like yours. I really wanted it to be a good option but I've had a failure in the main stem causing LP to spray out while filling and I've had a bottle failed because the brass neck unscrewed while I was removing it from a cooker. Honestly, In the few times I used it, I don't even trust it.
@@TRERUNSWILD what are your current thoughts on refilling the Coleman tanks? I was potentially going to try it today
@@raphaelness1239 i do
Your problem is those LP tanks from Walmart is about a half full. I get my LPTanks filled at my local LP distributor where it is filled to 80% capacity. I have filled my one pound cylinders well in excess of one pound,, accidentily. Over filling can cause a regulator to ice up until nough air space becomes available in the cylinder.
We don't have any refilling stations in my town so I'm stuck with the prefilled cylinders. ugh.
I let to much gas out of a1lb cyl and it overpressued the can where it bulged the metal out a bit , not sure I’ll be reusing those so going in front of a bonfire and shot with a 5.56 . Can’t wait for the explosion!
Make sure you video it!!
If that little tank explodes, you're gonna have a very sore sack!
Ha! I don't think I'll have to worry about that! I hope!
@@TRERUNSWILD You hope....😆
Filling propane tank inside a building???
Hi Ian. Thanks for watching the vid. I didn’t do a very good job of showing that I had all the overhead doors open. Was standing next to the open man door and had no flame source. If i had a malfunction i was two feet away from the outside. But you make a great point that wasn’t conveyed very well in the vid
My 20 lb tank is 3/4 full when upside down won't put any propane in a 1lb bottle. Is there a valve in either bottle that isnt working (I purged air out of the 1lb tank)
You opened the 20lb tank valve too fast and there is a safety valve there that will close when the propane flows out freely. try opening it slowly.
It’s funny how many people talk about purging ‘air’ out of these tanks. There’s no ‘air’ in the tanks - it’s propane gas or propane liquid. As mentioned there’s a safety valve on the 20 pound tank that senses fast release of propane gas and shuts off. Open it slowly and that should solve the problem. This happens on gas grills quite a bit
I hear ya!
So your really only getting little over 9 oz in a new tank then. Right Not a full pound.
kevin ferrell
I think i used the LB scale when I weighed them so 9/10 of a lb rather than oz.
I’m only getting 10oz max on a refill. Not sure how you get a full 16 oz
@@jefflebo5836 Liquid propane is going to run down from the large upper cylinder into the small. But the small can only trade off gas for liquid until the liquid has risen to the level of the neck of the bottle -- above that is still gas and it cannot escape. So the tilt matters. It affects how full you get the small tank.
Heheh I know this is a 4yo vid but why use the forceps on the safety release valve when you could easily just push the valve in at the tank connection? Thread the empty tank into the propane tank, position it so the safety release valve is on top, open the propane tank valve and crack the safety release valve. Be careful because you can get a lot of LP to spray out the release valve at which point your tank is way over filled
If I’m reading this right? ….because you have to unscrew the bottle to activate the fill valve.
When bleeding vapor the 1lb bottle should be vertical not on it's side where the liquid propane is near the valve!
Good point!!
Colman and other prefilled 1lb tanks are not refillable the walls are thinner. do so at your own risk.
instead go out and buy a refillable 1 lb bottle.
I ended up buying the flame king. I've had more issues and bottles leak than doing myself. The brass filler will unscrew and leak. Unfortunate. i was really hoping for a solid alternative.
Just NO. You're not getting 3/4 of a gallon in a 1lb cannister!😂😂😂😂😂😂
Did I say GALLON!!! OMG! YOU ARE CORRECT!!!!
There’s a reason why they use non-sparking tools working on propane or gas
Thanks for stopping in!
Oh great the 3494 th video on this !!
Well, it's the only one from me! Thanks for the view!
Very bad advice to pull on the relief valve while it is connected to an open mother bottle. If it jambed or malfunctioned in some way, you would have to go into the stream of gas to close the valve.
Also, be aware that the relief valve may be older and somewhat dry rotted and will not seal back fully, and then it is trash. If you have many bottles and can afford to toss them if they leak, then okay.
Good advice. Since then I've switched to taking the bottle off and releasing through the main valve.
Excellent!!!
Thank you Michael
Air would rise above the propane so to drain air not propane fuel you should have that tiny valve should be at 10 to 12 o'clock not 7 o'clock where you had it.
Good point. Gotta love science!
Illegal to transport those tanks if they have been refilled, jail and a $250000 fine. Not that the average officer would know that law though.
True! Since locals don't enforce federal motor carrier code. I always wondered how they would know if it was refilled to even prove up a case?
@@TRERUNSWILD I don't think they would have a real clue, but some people would just admit they were refilled not knowing that is illegal.
About the only people who may really catch this one would be park rangers etc where camping is common. I was a deputy many years ago and had no clue about this law.
Good point about the rangers and the average person not knowing!
@@TRERUNSWILD Flame King sells one lb tanks that are legal to refill.
I actually Have that set up as well. I’ve had issues with the brass top unscrewing from the bottle when removing it from a device. It kind of ruined my confidence in them
ok. i put up with the 1.0 lb being said that was " just over a pound" and then saftey glasses going on in the middle of the vid. then digital scales that are inaccurate. then the nomenaclature of sound effects like "whoosh" with no referance to tare weight. then the words , approxament, right there close & almost...... its ironic that while your holding an explosive device you coin the famous words used with horseshoes & hand grenades....
I've used hand grenades. LOL! I would not put these in the same category.
Messing with the Schrader valve will cause failure.
I agree. I don't use it personally. I'm happy with a partial fill.
I just buy the refillable flameking 1lb bottles. That way i cant be arrested for transporting them. EDIT: and its completely safe.
I actually have the flame king refillable bottles and filling system. I've had two bottles fail on me when the brass valve came unscrewed as I was removing it from an appliance. I really wanted them to work but I lost my confidence in them. Plus the refill station squirts liquid gas out when it is full. I never liked that.
im dizzy from your camera but good job.
Thanks!! Yeah it was one of my earliest videos. I’m still learning the videography part of this. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I appreciate it.
The best way to refill these canisters is not to refill them
Works great and saves a lot of money and resources. Seems alright to me 🤷♂️
empty would weigh about 13.5-14 oz
Thanks for watching the video!.
An empty Flame King refillable bottle is about 1.5 lbs. When full, they should weigh about 2.5 lbs.
Coleman propane 1lb is about $6 now
Crazy!
Never fill these back up to Max. 80 or 85 % is great. Leave it at 1.7 LB.
I agree.
On the side of the can it says $500,000 or five years for refilling just so you know. Not that you put it on You Tube or anything.
R Terry, Thanks for enlightening this guy!
Read it closely RichardHead. The warning is for transport of refilled tanks. Not the mere act of filling a tank.😂🍸
Thank you Casey
Check your local laws but,,, I believe it’s against the law to transport refilled tanks Unless they are like the flame king refillable variety. Yes it’s stupid , I know
I think you are correct Rob. But it’s not local laws I believe it’s a federal transportation rule. I bought the flame king and had nothing but issues with bottles leaking. Sad because I really liked the idea of the flame king.
$500,000 fine for doing this.
For transport. Not for refilling
Nothing's done right
I’m always looking to learn better ways. Feel free to comment and teach and I will add to the channel
Refilling propane in your garage?? The safety glasses aren't going to help when explodes.
I had 3 garage overhead garage doors open for ventilation. I think I mentioned ventilation in the video but it may have been the follow up vid?
He doesn’t know jack about your garage. He’s probably assuming you have a water heater out there or something. Is that what you were thinking Michael? Having his garage doors open sounds plenty adequate to me
Thanks Michael! You’re right I do not have any pilot lights and I was standing next to an open man door and had the car doors open. If I had a leak I could moved two feet and been outside. These are one lb cylinders they are not a main gas line.
There's a lot better way that you get a lot more fuel in that in there
Just filled another 8 bottles tonight. Can't even buy new ones at my local store due to shortages.
totally illegal in Canada, and likely the U.S. as well.......
It is not illegal to refill these. Manufacturers such as buddy heater make the adapters in order to facilitate refilling
Under the warning label it clearly says, do not refill. And at the bottom declares, federal law forbids transportation if refilled - penalty up to $500,000.00 fine and 5 years imprisonment. (49U.S.C. 5124)
@@bobseguin2195 you’re correct it is illegal to transport not illegal to refill. Not sure how the feds would even know they were refilled?
What units are you using, ding dong...LOL.. Use Ounces... 16 oz (oz is short for Ounces) You are making it more complicated than it needs to be..
Now I'm going to have to go back and see what I used!!!
Tre, my friend you are dangerous.
[My qualifications - I am a nationally registered LP Service Technician, Bulk LP Transfer Technician and registered Cylinder Inspector.
i.e - I know what I am talking about.]
The very first 'error' you demonstrated (and there are many) was performing the refill inside a wired structure.
Folks - DO NOT EVER DO THAT - take it far outside!
Tre, What are you planning to do with a bottle/s that has a leaking/jammed valve and is/are spewing LP all over and cannot be plugged?
Run it/them out the open door tripping the light sensor on the garage door operator, causing a spark in the motor housing and
lighting the whole world (as you know it) on fire - or worse?
There is a reason for the $500,000 or Five Years in Jail for refilling 'Non-Refillable' bottles.
Sooner or later everyone's luck runs out and other people are harmed or killed!
Although you have the most rudimentary concept of how to refill a depleted "Non-Refillable" LP bottle,
you are flying by the seat of your pants and "Learning as you go"!
It is not a good thing to produce instructional videos on potentially lethal topics of which one is not fully competent.
I highly suggest you take a National LP Cylinder Inspection/Recertification Technician class and get your own RIN number.
Contact the National Propane Gas Association for instruction locations and registration. It is very likely they are offering classes in your vicinity.
Also you should become very familiar with the terms Rate of Expansion; Net, Tare & Gross Weights; Wetted Surface Area;
the reason for the 'space above the liquid'; and Boyle's Law!
Only then you may have the competency to produce videos on a topic that has the potential to harm or kill people.
Very politely & correctly stated, Dick. I go through a lot of 1# cylinders during a camping season so I bought the Flame King refilling kit with 10 Flame King refillable cylinders. Better safe than sorry.
Just reading the comments 99% of you are clueless and that makes you dangerous . I have been in the propane business for for 64 years . Most folks that have been it longer are dead.
the $500,000 or Five Years in Jail for refilling 'Non-Refillable' bottles. --Is ONLY true is If you Try To SELL THEM or CROSS STATE LINES !!
I bought the flame king system. Yikes. So much LP release I'm not sure which is better. First set I bought I had to return because the seals blew LP out like crazy. Second kit was better.
I can't believe anyone would do anything like this anywhere within 15 feet of their enclosed garage, house, shed, etc. If one of those 'one use' bottles has valve problem, that gas is going to go everywhere. Imagine taking the bottle off and the valve isn't closed. Will you be quick enough to screw it back onto the adapter to stop the leak? Are you going to toss it out the garage door like a grenade? You should thank your lucky stars that nothing happened. Just saying.
Well, I'm two feet from an exterior door. Have three large overhead doors open with a cross breeze. Its a one pound cylinder. I'm not worried at all. We are not dealing with a 1" pipe it's a micro hole for release in worst case scenario. I'm not standing next to an open flame. IDK, Maybe all the gas line breaks I've responded to over all the years has just calloused me.
@@TRERUNSWILD IDK. My motto is better safe than sorry. With my luck, I'd toss it out the door and the dog/wife/baby/child would pick it up and bring it back in the garage. :)
the explosion possibility is related tot he gas/air ratio. Too much gas (liquid) - no ignition. too little gas - no ignition Well ventilated area - outdoors near a garage is ok but have all the doors and windows closed. and don't have your vehicle nearby either.
Those one-pound propane bottles that cost $3.47 in the US cost 15 quid in the UK (about $20).
I just shopped today and they are now up to $4.50 US! Just filled another 10 bottles off my big tank yesterday!
@@TRERUNSWILD Lucky you. $4.50 is what I would be paying if I refilled my own bottles.
@@chesshooligan1282 wow! That’s crazy!!
$6 ea. in Canada
$10/pair around the midwest. Even at $3.50 ea re-filling is big $avings.
Consider switching the scale to ounces. Try using needle nose pliers to relieve any excess air rather than the little valve, especially while filling. With the idea being to continue refilling the tank, use of that valve increases the likelihood of leaks as it's known to stick. In the future, i intend to follow your advice regarding gloves, so thank you.
On a side note, and i get this is ingrained into us so deeply it can be difficult to root out of our vocabulary, but "Gravity" is more than just a 500 year old unproven theory regarding real terms such as density and buoyancy. What it is is complete and utter nonsense. It is not real. Thank your favorite Jesuit for that tid bit of lunacy.
Remember, the physics of fluids dictate that liquids like water always find level. They always have and always will because facts are all about truth and therefore hold no regard for one's intelligence, much less our feelings about being lied to. Clearly our Earth is Not flat. No different than "gravity" such ideas are idiocy. Obviously there are countless differing degrees both above and below the sea that are platted on land surveys all across the face of this place.
While the earth (dirt) is clearly Not flat, the water surrounding all the land upon which we stand absolutely is flat level, like the sea. Even children know that water on a ball wouldn't look like that at all.
Truly, i suggest to you that every toddler to have ever graduated from a sippy cup had to demonstrate a fundamental understanding of the physics of fluids first. Many of them are still wetting the bed on occasion, yet don't seem to struggle with common sense.
"It don't make much sense that common sense don't make much sense no more" ~ John Prine
Be well my friend. Cheers!
Thanks for the comment. You have some good points.
@@TRERUNSWILD yeah, it's pretty well accepted now that theories aren't science if you can't demonstrate the theory is true. Even if you wear a lab coat and have a PhD. in Scientism, and gravity has never come close to being proven true. Buoyancy and Density is the correct vernacular. Don't feel bad, this kind of knowledge never makes it onto the Tell lie Vision. The good news is the younger generation is becoming aware of the lies they teach in the public indoctrination system. The sad news is several generations of adults thought they were standing upside down on a spinning water ball, flying through a CGI universe at over a million mph, because they saw it on the Tell lie Vision.
Good to see other truther's spreading the word, stay flat.
22 quid in UK rip off
I agree!
1) Max fill "Legally" on ANY propane cylinder is 80% This is to allow for Vapor Expansion when a cylinder warms up! DANGEROUS Doing THIS!!!
2) Cheaper to simply by the adapter that fits to the 20#, 30#, or 40# Cylinder. You can connect the adapter to a propane rated hose on the adapter end and on the other is yet another adapter(brass fitting) that fits those 1# bottles hence you can use the bigger cylinders without the Hassle OR Dangers of transferring the propane at all! I have and use said hose mentioned above for multiple devices including a Coleman camping stove!
Here you go: www.amazon.com/DOZYANT-Converter-Replacement-Connects-Appliance/dp/B06Y5XFF6F/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=2HWC1M5NUDTNU&keywords=propane+adapter+1lb+to+20lb&qid=1580366968&sprefix=propane+adapt%2Caps%2C198&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzS1VCVlhPODFOWDdRJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODM0ODY2M0FHS0daWDVPRDFUUSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjIxMDU0MTJQUklHS042QVNKSyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
The fluid will expand and the vapor will compress as the container is heated. (ignoring phase change)
The LIQUID expands...! Not the vapor.
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I’m gonna barf.
Try ginger. That can help with nausea
Take you face off the view o Camara
I'm learning. Hopefully every video gets better. Thank you for watching!
Safety Schmafety! Just fill the damned thing. You guys have too much time on your hands.
Hope you have been saved because if you are you can tell us all about heaven.
Yep