This honestly might be my biggest issue with Persona 4. Almost all of the main characters feel like they're on the verge of having some kind of revelation about their identity and then someone comes in and goes "Uuuh yeah so Atlus doesn't want you to be too controversial, soooooo here's your new script."
Atlus doesn't have the same writing team behind the new games. I feel like if the guys who did p2 were still around we would have more lgbt+ characters and story.
@@LunaLi17probably yeah, considering how experimental was persona 2, with Jun being gay, Anna having a crush on yukino (if I remember correctly there was a jp novel where Anna actually confess to yukino) and Tatsuya being Bi. Honestly so suprised to find persona 2 having an actual romance with one of the male characters.
@@sanest-luchino-fan They tried doing it in P3P with FemC but P3P isn't Canon. FemC is if I remember right bisexual, and so is Yukari. It didn't really change anything story wise, but they did try to experiment a little bit with her.
I can agree on Yusuke being ace, he does things that any other person would do because they're interested in someone but he has absolutely zero romantic or sexual motivation himself when he does them. He does things often seen as romatically or sexually motivated for totally pure reasons. That's the most ace thing I've ever seen
I mostly agree with you, but when he's going to paint Ann nude (or at some other time, I forgot when) doesn't he seem tempted/attracted to Ann before telling himself something like "no, this is for art!" As if he was trying to push away or ignore a romantic or sexual feeling? I'm sorry that I can't remember exactly where he said this, or what the situation even was but I'm hoping that maybe you know which exchange I'm talking about. I'm not ace though and this might be me completely misunderstanding asexual people. I'd be interested to hear what you, or other more knowledgeable people think of that dialogue from Yusuke that I mentioned!
@@Arvel_The_Switgonna have to agree with you here. Although aro/ace people can sometimes feel sexual attraction, they wouldn’t feel the need to fight sexual urges for moral reasons, or really at all. Yusuke is simply a gentleman who thinks Ann is beautiful, and his interest in her persists after Madarame’s palace
Oh fully agreed.. this is such a wonderful take to see in the wild in general cause I also love the idea of Yusuke being ace I’m certainly biased as someone who happens to be aroace and an artist myself, but there’s also such a lack of ace rep in general and he really fits into that niche well for me. And it is entirely possible to admire the beauty of the human body without being sexually attracted to it! That’s a huge part of being an artist who draws from life anyway :) Bit of a ramble of course but I love seeing ace Yusuke mentioned 👍
10:52 I get the vibe that Adachi would be homophobic because he had one bad experience with a hookup and then assumed the worst of all gay people. Like he's absolutely homophobic, but he's definitely tried it before.
THANK YOU for saying Yosuke is bi! I saw a lot of comments on other videos saying that he is absolutely gay, but... he also like girls? It's not because he was a romantic option that we can just forget all of the game before and even his _shadow fight._ Not everything is black and white, and I get really upset when people say this kind of thing.
>Hidehiko in straight because he's always hitting on girls Dude starts the first CD drama adaptation by threatening to kiss the protagonist. He hits on everyone equally
ironically enough out of the previous 3 protags P3 hero seems the closest to ace/aro despite the game forcing you to romance all the social links of the opposite gender. they just seem like they just wanna be friends with everyone.
Yusuke is absolutely asexual. I mean, those lobsters..... Also, I headcanon Makoto/Minato as ace biro, for the same reasons you stated. He doesn't care enough to be attracted to people, but since he can get into relationships he can't really be aro. And I mean, in the movie he was much more interested in the crabs in Yakushima than on Operation Babe Hunt. I'm seeing a pattern with aceness and crusteceans lol.
"Chihiro used to have a phobia of men so I'd say she probably queer" As a girl who used to have a really severe case of androphobia but is still attracted to guys (even if it's only in a "oh he's kind of attractive but I'd never date him" way when it comes to real men way and I'm only outright "I would totally date him" when it comes to fictional characters...) I feel the need to say that that's not necessarily an indicator. Some people have phobias of the opposite sex but are also attracted to them which is honestly really kind of sad. Then again I say I'm straight (or at the very least mostly straight) but I also fall somewhere under the aromantic/asexual umbrella specifically _BECAUSE_ of the incident (s) that causes my androphobia so me saying this really doesn't mean much at all lol.
Lon'qu from FE has a phobia of women because of his friend dying when he was a kid, but he's still able to marry nearly every single woman in the game, so I second that ....but honestly, I can see him dating a dude too. I don't think he'd mind at all as long as it's an annoying af person
You described me, I also know another girl similar. I do find certain guys attractive irl but would rather avoid them and consider the attraction a nuisance more than anything else.
@@fedechan6325 Yeah, he's a good example. Another _REALLY_ good example is Guy from Tales of the Abyss (massive spoilers) He was a noble kid who's house was attacked and everyone was killed. He was the sole survivor thanks to his older sister and the maids shielding him with their bodies but as a result he was stuck under a pile of dead bodies for possibly hours until he was found/he got away and as a result he has _SEVERE_ Gynophobia (fear of women, and yes he's literally named after his phobia) and also amnesia of the event in question. But he is still attracted to women (and even flirts with them and is considered to be a bit of a chick magnet) and can even be friends with them he just freaks out if one gets too close to him/touches him and he himself can't touch them or get close to them as a result (unless they're in danger in which case he has no problems saving them). It's played for laughs at first since the girls will constantly get close to him/grab him if he does something that annoys him which causes him to jump back/freeze up and start shaking but after the source of his phobia is revealed they start to cut down on that and he starts to get a bit better as the game goes on although it never really outright says that he gets over it/that he ever will just that he might have the potential to recover.
@@diamondseraph9369 ah, another entry of the Tales of... Series. Interesting, you gave something to look forward to. It's always easier to get involved in a.game if I know one small spoiler
Kei Nanjo is definitely ace. He has no interest in romance and mostly cares for his butler, Yamaoka. Not sure if everyone finds this true but I think Maya is queer because she's pretty much opened to anyone and anything with a positive mindset. Plus Ulala and her have a huge bond together in Eternal Punishment when Ulala was going through a lot with her lack of self confidence and men, plus Ulala showed a hint of affection for Maya in some parts of the game, which makes Ulala bi.
Someone that is always funny to me is how careful debates are in persona 4. I see the persona 5 fandom usually given very argumentative stereotypes but bro… never say your opinion on a characters queerness in the persona 4 fandom. That shit is dangerous. It was very silly seeing how carefully you handled the persona 4 cast compared to the others. This is the most accurate tier list tbh
My sibling (who hasn’t played anything but the first hour of p3) has repeatedly told me the only thing she knows about persona is the discourse about Kanji and Naoto xD. Apparently she sees arguments about them all the time, but nothing else persona related. As someone mainly in the p5 fandom it amuses me since it’s known for discourse too, but she’s seen somehow none of it.
OH HELL YEAH FINALLY i totally agree with ur takes on kanji + yosuke being bi i mean a weird amount of ppl believe that kanji is gay when he,,, kinda tries to make it clear that yeah he very much does like girls? i mean of course some of that is likely overcompensating to combat being seen as a stereotypical gay guy because he’s way more than just his sexuality, but yeah also from what ive seen he acts in kinda similar ways around naoto before and after learning shes a girl (i feel like it was kinda meant to be a joke about being gay before we learned naotos gender just based on what i know about the developers but it DOES feel kinda bi of him to be like that) plus all the bisexuality related references with his character… (theres a lot) also yosuke, i mean he had a whole romance route that was cut at the last second with voiced english and japanese lines and all… similar thing with people seeing him as gay even though he does make it clear that he likes girls its not all overcompensating but the exaggeratedness of it all does point to him not being totally straight sorry for the rant btw i could write a whole essay on this but this is just stream of thought stuff im not gonna proofread this comment its too much but anyways RECAP: kanji and yosuke ARE bi, 100%, AWESOME take 10/10 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ :)
I'd say Morgana is Bisexual, in P5 he calls the protagonist handsome "That heat must have gotten your good flowing, Your skins glowing too. So handsome..."
EP characters: IMO Ulala is probably queer. She dates a lot of men, but her relationship with Maya is definitely a bit eyebrow raising. Katsuya is a cop Baofu is hetero but he's definitely tried it with a dude just to see if he's into and and has decided he isn't
I hold a very strong belief that Naoto isn't supposed to be trans, by her being a representation of being the gender minority in a certain line of work. It's one of the driving factors for me liking her so much, because she made me feel spoken to during my first internships in more feminine workfields like daycare and such. We are able to debate on If she's bi, cause I am not sure myself on that one.
while naoto canonically isn’t trans, that doesn’t change the fact that naoto’s character arc is transphobic. i’m not awake enough to elaborate right now but i’ll be back later to back this up if i remember
10:29 Naoto does handle important issues, their story just handles different gender role issues, you don't sound all that old, but not even 15-20 years ago gender roles were really strict compared to now, and Naoto's story is a commentary on how some careers were very unwelcoming to women and how it made women feel, which especially in japan is a p strong stance to take at the time. In my eyes, Naoto is a girl, her wanting to be seen as male wasn't a healthy reason, and that's the point. I don't think it makes sense to want someone to be trans just for the sake of it, make sure the reason is a healthy one. Some people just treat it as "trans good" but it really should be "acceptance of people's identity is good" which is very different. This probably come from desperation for representation, as I see more actual representation pop up with Bridget in guilty gear and such, I see this feeling die down a lot more.
you are correct and i really liked Naoto’s story for how it handled gender roles and her being a girl in a male workplace. on the other hand you i feel like you gotta admit, when you think about it with the cut yosuke romance and everything with kanji, p4 kinda just leaves me feeling like ‘seriously Atlus?’ It really looks like they wanted to touch on LGBT topics for the be your true self theme, but were to scared to follow through with it
@@deansbian5607 definitely with the cut Yosuke romance, and Kanji either way to me at least, but yeah, wish they went through with Yosuke kissing scene fr
With Sae she was actually planned to have a romance, with her even having English voice lines for it that were cut. As such, I'd put her in debatable or bi/pan
Hey so i was wondering is Mitsuru actually bi or queer despite not being able to romance her in portable FEMC route because its hard to tell she did say to FEMC thats she's like a older sister to her
Im quite late now but it's not due to FEMC's gender but it's because Mitsuru just didn't get to connect with her romantically the same way as Makoto. Besides, the explanation was backed up by her relationship with Yukari alone and not with Kotone.
3:38 is because they changed directors to Katsura Hashino' someone who is either ignorant as hell best interpretation or just a straight up queer phobe at worst and should not really be involved in adding queerness into his games lol. Would prefer all straight no gay at all than the weird stuff the dude adds in.
I like this video and agree with something’s. Though, tbh, I do think Rise might be bi or pan. Sure she does thirst for the protagonist a lot, but I feel like she’d still thirst for the protagonist if he were a girl. Not to mention some of for other scenes in the game imply rise might be ok with dating girls. Also imo I think Marie might be panromantic and also either asexual or pansexual
Im not sure about yusuke being in the ace catergory he did have a reaction when Ann undressed in his Atelier and he also blushed hard in the anime when they all went to the public bath together. I'd put him in the propably Queer or maybe Pan category i think
Lol Kanji isn't even technically gay. Most of this is wrong or even not well thought out. Like Shinjaro who literally only survives if you romance him a female MC.
Fr but Kanji prefers women by his mindset, but he does say it ain't matter and he was just afraid to be rejected. Not to mention, he kinda liked Naoto even before finding out that she's a girl (but yea he definitely wanted her to be girl). On Shinjiro case, they think he's possibly gay cuz they probably ship him with Akihiko (I don't think this ship has the best dynamic).
No, no, no I haven't played personal 1, but I played IS and EP and you made a lot a false assumptions. Earring boy: straight Maki sonomura: straight Reiji: Straight (is getting married) Eriko: Straight Brown: Straight Mark: I don't know Ayase: I don't Know Nanjo: Asexual Yukino: Straight ( She was in love of the protographer that died in Innocent Sin) Tatsuya: Bi Eikichi: Straight Lisa: Straight Maya: Straight (She shown feelings for Tatsuya in both games) Jun: Gay Katsuya: Straight Ulala: Straight Baofu: Straight but currently asexual Nameless: Asexual Igor: Asexual Belladona: Asexual Demon Painter: Asexual or straight as it is a cameo ofa real person. Philemon: Asexual Nyarly: Asexual P3MC: straight Yukari: straight but with queer vibes Junpei: Straight Akihiko: Straight but more asexual Shinjiro: Straight Mitsuru: Bi Fuuka: straight Kenji: Straight Kazushi: Straight Hitedoshi: Straight Keisuke: Asexual Yuko: straight Chihiro: Straight Toriumi: straight Bunkichi and his wife: straight Ryoji: Bi (in FMC he confessed that for him doesn't matter her gender) Bebe: Queer and asexual Tanaka: Straight Mutatsu: Straight Mamoru: Asexual Gourmet King: no idea, but seriously who would like to have a date him Akinari: Asexual Aigis: Bi Elizabeth: Bi Teo: probably bi P4MC: Bi (if we count Yosuke romance) or straight in cannon. Yosuke: Gay in denial. Chie: Straight with queer vibes Yuko: Straight with queer vibes Naoto: Straight or asexual (Naoto is not trans, she has gender dysphoria) Rise: Straight Kanji: Probably queer Margaret: Straight Dojima: straight Kou: Straight Daisuke: Straight Naoki: Asexual Hizano: Straight Eri: Straight Sayoko: Straight Teddie: Pan Ai: Straight Yumi: Straight Ayane: Straight Marie: Straight Adachi: Straight P5MC: straight with queer vibes Morgana: straight Makoto: straight or asexual Haru: Straight Yusuke: Straight (She shown a lot of interest for Ann when she was acting to make time) Sojiro: Straight Ann: Straight Ryuji: straight Akechi: Gay/asexual (Too much obsession with Joker) Futaba: Straight Chihaya: Straight Iwai: Asexual (but I would like that he were romanceable) Tae: Straight/Asexual Kawakami: Straight Ohya: Straight Hifumi: Straight/Asexual Mishima: Straight/ Phantom Thieves sexual Yoshida: Asexual Sumire: Straight Maruki: Straight
@@Charles.II_of_Englandnope is not the same, Naoto has no problem with her sex, but with the restrictions that she will have with her gender at pursuing her career as detective, as this profession is more suited for male.
@@1chibanKasugaYeah but Kanji didn't know that at that time. And even when he did find out that she was only masc-presenting, his reaction wasn't exactly pumped like, "Aw heck yeah! So I was straight after all." No it was more like he didn't care either way but was still being a bit hesitant back when he thought Naoto was a guy because of the stigma associated with gay men, which even his own friend group does nothing to lessen his fears about it. Anyway, I feel like Atlus really fudged up in their representation of LGBT+ characters and themes in games ahead of Persona 2 because holy heck, I've read fanfiction that handled characters like Yosuke, Teddie, Kanji and Naoto better.
not trying to be too offensive to you Minto, but you shouldnt do such a video A when you either just woke up or are ready to get to sleep B when you are clearly not experienced enough with the franchise to form proper opinions, even for a joke video like this because I rather question your mental state or mental age rather then your opinion on the matter when you use like "hetereonormative" to cope with the fact that you dunno shit about P1 for example C when you are clearly unsure why and for what reason you wanna do this vid, because it really felt like you had an itch to scratch, and you didnt think about it for more then 5 seconds because your discord P5 buddies were either offline, tired of you or just didnt care enough to talk with you about this somewhat interesting topic, generally speaking, that you had the idea to do a video about it instead of like finding some discord servers and folks around where you could rather talk about this without doing a medial documentation of you feeling not mentally forwarded enough to tryhard this at all. Or in short: Think about your actions and the consequences, before setting yourself up for failure and ruination like that.
Persona characters writing often screams that the writers were yelling "We wanna be gay but someone wont let us"
Yeaah
This honestly might be my biggest issue with Persona 4. Almost all of the main characters feel like they're on the verge of having some kind of revelation about their identity and then someone comes in and goes "Uuuh yeah so Atlus doesn't want you to be too controversial, soooooo here's your new script."
Atlus doesn't have the same writing team behind the new games. I feel like if the guys who did p2 were still around we would have more lgbt+ characters and story.
@@LunaLi17probably yeah, considering how experimental was persona 2, with Jun being gay, Anna having a crush on yukino (if I remember correctly there was a jp novel where Anna actually confess to yukino) and Tatsuya being Bi.
Honestly so suprised to find persona 2 having an actual romance with one of the male characters.
@@sanest-luchino-fan They tried doing it in P3P with FemC but P3P isn't Canon. FemC is if I remember right bisexual, and so is Yukari. It didn't really change anything story wise, but they did try to experiment a little bit with her.
Tatsuya is the perfect bisexual rep because we also do impressions of fighter jets and motorcycles
adachi should have his own tier that's just "homophobic"
Adachi is definitely somehow homophobic and homosexual
You can put Yosuke in that tier as well.
@@joeljames2683 Yeah but there was that scrapped romance route... I'd be more inclined to say it's projection than anything else.
I can agree on Yusuke being ace, he does things that any other person would do because they're interested in someone but he has absolutely zero romantic or sexual motivation himself when he does them. He does things often seen as romatically or sexually motivated for totally pure reasons. That's the most ace thing I've ever seen
I mostly agree with you, but when he's going to paint Ann nude (or at some other time, I forgot when) doesn't he seem tempted/attracted to Ann before telling himself something like "no, this is for art!" As if he was trying to push away or ignore a romantic or sexual feeling? I'm sorry that I can't remember exactly where he said this, or what the situation even was but I'm hoping that maybe you know which exchange I'm talking about. I'm not ace though and this might be me completely misunderstanding asexual people. I'd be interested to hear what you, or other more knowledgeable people think of that dialogue from Yusuke that I mentioned!
@@Arvel_The_Switgonna have to agree with you here. Although aro/ace people can sometimes feel sexual attraction, they wouldn’t feel the need to fight sexual urges for moral reasons, or really at all. Yusuke is simply a gentleman who thinks Ann is beautiful, and his interest in her persists after Madarame’s palace
Oh fully agreed.. this is such a wonderful take to see in the wild in general cause I also love the idea of Yusuke being ace
I’m certainly biased as someone who happens to be aroace and an artist myself, but there’s also such a lack of ace rep in general and he really fits into that niche well for me. And it is entirely possible to admire the beauty of the human body without being sexually attracted to it! That’s a huge part of being an artist who draws from life anyway :)
Bit of a ramble of course but I love seeing ace Yusuke mentioned 👍
10:52 I get the vibe that Adachi would be homophobic because he had one bad experience with a hookup and then assumed the worst of all gay people. Like he's absolutely homophobic, but he's definitely tried it before.
Im going with this tbh. I can believe it
Homophobic homosexual
ABSOLUTELY
Personally I'm obsessed with Adachi being gay because he hates women this is all the proof I need.
@@actualhuman8013 incels aren't particularly attracted to men when hating women lol
Fun fact there’s an entire scrapped romance for Yosuke. With recorded dialogue and everything
he mentioned it in the video lmao
THANK YOU for saying Yosuke is bi! I saw a lot of comments on other videos saying that he is absolutely gay, but... he also like girls? It's not because he was a romantic option that we can just forget all of the game before and even his _shadow fight._ Not everything is black and white, and I get really upset when people say this kind of thing.
>Hidehiko in straight because he's always hitting on girls
Dude starts the first CD drama adaptation by threatening to kiss the protagonist. He hits on everyone equally
how one person can be so completely, totally right is beyond me but good job
"The 'G' in 'Goro Akechi' stands for 'Gay"
Truer words were never spoken
The persona 3 movie spent the entire third film to ship Makoto and Ryoji.
Fr we didn't get Ryoji romance or at least social link but I remember they made him say "I still would date you even you're a guy" in femc route.
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I love that line so much. :D
technically ryoji was inside makoto anyways @@Weigazod
ironically enough out of the previous 3 protags P3 hero seems the closest to ace/aro despite the game forcing you to romance all the social links of the opposite gender. they just seem like they just wanna be friends with everyone.
Our Lord and Saviour Jun Kurusu lmfao
Did I hear "playing Persona 4 with Yosuke gay mod"?
SIGN ME UP
Yusuke is absolutely asexual. I mean, those lobsters.....
Also, I headcanon Makoto/Minato as ace biro, for the same reasons you stated. He doesn't care enough to be attracted to people, but since he can get into relationships he can't really be aro. And I mean, in the movie he was much more interested in the crabs in Yakushima than on Operation Babe Hunt. I'm seeing a pattern with aceness and crusteceans lol.
It's because they're both the endpoint of evolution.
As soon as you got to Ryuji, my mind immediately went to the "it's like a meaty explosion in my mouth" line
honestly I think yu likes fucking with people, I think its cannon that he doesn't romance anyone.
He wants the teddussy 😩📺
Oh he likes fucking with people alright.
@@xoxopenquin i hate that i read that but i cant even disagree
@@TisAHandle I hate that I wrote that but HERE WE ARE LMAO
@@xoxopenquin teddussy is a VITAL part of persona lore.
"Chihiro used to have a phobia of men so I'd say she probably queer"
As a girl who used to have a really severe case of androphobia but is still attracted to guys (even if it's only in a "oh he's kind of attractive but I'd never date him" way when it comes to real men way and I'm only outright "I would totally date him" when it comes to fictional characters...) I feel the need to say that that's not necessarily an indicator. Some people have phobias of the opposite sex but are also attracted to them which is honestly really kind of sad.
Then again I say I'm straight (or at the very least mostly straight) but I also fall somewhere under the aromantic/asexual umbrella specifically _BECAUSE_ of the incident (s) that causes my androphobia so me saying this really doesn't mean much at all lol.
Lon'qu from FE has a phobia of women because of his friend dying when he was a kid, but he's still able to marry nearly every single woman in the game, so I second that
....but honestly, I can see him dating a dude too. I don't think he'd mind at all as long as it's an annoying af person
You described me, I also know another girl similar. I do find certain guys attractive irl but would rather avoid them and consider the attraction a nuisance more than anything else.
@@fedechan6325
Yeah, he's a good example.
Another _REALLY_ good example is Guy from Tales of the Abyss (massive spoilers)
He was a noble kid who's house was attacked and everyone was killed. He was the sole survivor thanks to his older sister and the maids shielding him with their bodies but as a result he was stuck under a pile of dead bodies for possibly hours until he was found/he got away and as a result he has _SEVERE_ Gynophobia (fear of women, and yes he's literally named after his phobia) and also amnesia of the event in question. But he is still attracted to women (and even flirts with them and is considered to be a bit of a chick magnet) and can even be friends with them he just freaks out if one gets too close to him/touches him and he himself can't touch them or get close to them as a result (unless they're in danger in which case he has no problems saving them). It's played for laughs at first since the girls will constantly get close to him/grab him if he does something that annoys him which causes him to jump back/freeze up and start shaking but after the source of his phobia is revealed they start to cut down on that and he starts to get a bit better as the game goes on although it never really outright says that he gets over it/that he ever will just that he might have the potential to recover.
@@diamondseraph9369 ah, another entry of the Tales of... Series. Interesting, you gave something to look forward to. It's always easier to get involved in a.game if I know one small spoiler
thank you for calling Yusuke asexual, i live on that one lol
Not accurate, he's lobstersexual
Yusuke the asexual persona icon
Kei Nanjo is definitely ace. He has no interest in romance and mostly cares for his butler, Yamaoka. Not sure if everyone finds this true but I think Maya is queer because she's pretty much opened to anyone and anything with a positive mindset. Plus Ulala and her have a huge bond together in Eternal Punishment when Ulala was going through a lot with her lack of self confidence and men, plus Ulala showed a hint of affection for Maya in some parts of the game, which makes Ulala bi.
Ulala is worried for Maya because she is her Best friend, Ulala ends with Baofu at the end...they ended dating...
Someone that is always funny to me is how careful debates are in persona 4. I see the persona 5 fandom usually given very argumentative stereotypes but bro… never say your opinion on a characters queerness in the persona 4 fandom. That shit is dangerous. It was very silly seeing how carefully you handled the persona 4 cast compared to the others. This is the most accurate tier list tbh
My sibling (who hasn’t played anything but the first hour of p3) has repeatedly told me the only thing she knows about persona is the discourse about Kanji and Naoto xD. Apparently she sees arguments about them all the time, but nothing else persona related. As someone mainly in the p5 fandom it amuses me since it’s known for discourse too, but she’s seen somehow none of it.
OH HELL YEAH FINALLY i totally agree with ur takes on kanji + yosuke being bi
i mean a weird amount of ppl believe that kanji is gay when he,,, kinda tries to make it clear that yeah he very much does like girls? i mean of course some of that is likely overcompensating to combat being seen as a stereotypical gay guy because he’s way more than just his sexuality, but yeah also from what ive seen he acts in kinda similar ways around naoto before and after learning shes a girl (i feel like it was kinda meant to be a joke about being gay before we learned naotos gender just based on what i know about the developers but it DOES feel kinda bi of him to be like that) plus all the bisexuality related references with his character… (theres a lot)
also yosuke, i mean he had a whole romance route that was cut at the last second with voiced english and japanese lines and all… similar thing with people seeing him as gay even though he does make it clear that he likes girls its not all overcompensating but the exaggeratedness of it all does point to him not being totally straight
sorry for the rant btw i could write a whole essay on this but this is just stream of thought stuff im not gonna proofread this comment its too much but anyways
RECAP: kanji and yosuke ARE bi, 100%, AWESOME take 10/10 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ :)
Kanji is pansexual
I'd say Morgana is Bisexual, in P5 he calls the protagonist handsome
"That heat must have gotten your good flowing, Your skins glowing too. So handsome..."
If he’s bi, he deffo prefers women more lol
@@LeoGaming55 I headcanon him leaning towards men more lol
@@Mornya lol
EP characters: IMO
Ulala is probably queer. She dates a lot of men, but her relationship with Maya is definitely a bit eyebrow raising.
Katsuya is a cop
Baofu is hetero but he's definitely tried it with a dude just to see if he's into and and has decided he isn't
I hold a very strong belief that Naoto isn't supposed to be trans, by her being a representation of being the gender minority in a certain line of work.
It's one of the driving factors for me liking her so much, because she made me feel spoken to during my first internships in more feminine workfields like daycare and such.
We are able to debate on If she's bi, cause I am not sure myself on that one.
She isn't trans, like her social link confirms it, she says it multiple times that she likes being a girl.
@@redder_ I mean, I did say that
@@fernweh123 I know, I'm saying that she herself confirms it, the game itself confirms it.
while naoto canonically isn’t trans, that doesn’t change the fact that naoto’s character arc is transphobic. i’m not awake enough to elaborate right now but i’ll be back later to back this up if i remember
@@icaruslukas7041 not being trans is transphobic, riiiiight
The question is: What am I?
I am thou, thou art I
Fun fact the demonpainter is a Kazuma kaneko the character and demon designer himself
come on you know adachi and dojima had some long nights together at the office
THIS IS TRUE
Like your take on where they rank on gayness even though I might not agree with them all.
I didnt knew i needed this so much until know
Yeah its was a fun as hell video. I didn't know Iwai was gay :o
10:29 Naoto does handle important issues, their story just handles different gender role issues, you don't sound all that old, but not even 15-20 years ago gender roles were really strict compared to now, and Naoto's story is a commentary on how some careers were very unwelcoming to women and how it made women feel, which especially in japan is a p strong stance to take at the time.
In my eyes, Naoto is a girl, her wanting to be seen as male wasn't a healthy reason, and that's the point. I don't think it makes sense to want someone to be trans just for the sake of it, make sure the reason is a healthy one.
Some people just treat it as "trans good" but it really should be "acceptance of people's identity is good" which is very different. This probably come from desperation for representation, as I see more actual representation pop up with Bridget in guilty gear and such, I see this feeling die down a lot more.
you are correct and i really liked Naoto’s story for how it handled gender roles and her being a girl in a male workplace. on the other hand you i feel like you gotta admit, when you think about it with the cut yosuke romance and everything with kanji, p4 kinda just leaves me feeling like ‘seriously Atlus?’ It really looks like they wanted to touch on LGBT topics for the be your true self theme, but were to scared to follow through with it
@@deansbian5607 definitely with the cut Yosuke romance, and Kanji either way to me at least, but yeah, wish they went through with Yosuke kissing scene fr
Wasn't expecting Yukio Mishima to be referenced here tbh
Thank god finally someone who doesn't hc Yusuke as gay, just because he's artsy and excentric doesn't mean hes gae 😭 I totally hc him as asexual!
I am not gay but i am interested in whatever this is
6:36 AYYYY i got the reference
Persona 2 Invented GAY
15:17 made me subscribe
With Sae she was actually planned to have a romance, with her even having English voice lines for it that were cut. As such, I'd put her in debatable or bi/pan
*puts Igor in aro/ace
“NOOO, BUT HE IS SO SEXY!!! WHY MUST YOU CURSE ME THIS WAY!!?”
(is bebe gay or european?) got me rolling on the floor for 30 mins hahaha
The upbeat soul phrase yes
Junpei is not in ace detectives tier?
I don't like Vtubers but godamn this video was funny as hell "G in his name stands for gay" had me dying 💀
Well technically the kid in jail clothes is not a kid in human years... Maybe
Ulala bi. no exceptions.
holy crap this is pretty much all correct to me to be honest
Where is the homophobic tier
Yosuke: The first character to be Gay and Homophobic
I feel like it would just be Adachi (not Yosuke because he's too fruity)
Thank you for speaking the truth
Did you do Naoto's S-Link?
yusuke is currently in the first stage of the pan -> aroace pipeline imo
Yukino is the only one who truly kissed a girl, only in Persona 2 IS if you dont pick Yukino's Ultimate...
FYI Hanako and Kashiwagi is straight and homophobic
Hey so i was wondering is Mitsuru actually bi or queer despite not being able to romance her in portable FEMC route because its hard to tell she did say to FEMC thats she's like a older sister to her
Im quite late now but it's not due to FEMC's gender but it's because Mitsuru just didn't get to connect with her romantically the same way as Makoto. Besides, the explanation was backed up by her relationship with Yukari alone and not with Kotone.
@@qq-st9xo yeah it's confirmed in p3d that mitsuru and yukari are dating
3:38 is because they changed directors to Katsura Hashino' someone who is either ignorant as hell best interpretation or just a straight up queer phobe at worst and should not really be involved in adding queerness into his games lol. Would prefer all straight no gay at all than the weird stuff the dude adds in.
I like this video and agree with something’s. Though, tbh, I do think Rise might be bi or pan. Sure she does thirst for the protagonist a lot, but I feel like she’d still thirst for the protagonist if he were a girl. Not to mention some of for other scenes in the game imply rise might be ok with dating girls. Also imo I think Marie might be panromantic and also either asexual or pansexual
ngl Minato screams Asexual
How the hell did I even ended up here, I didn't even like Persona...?
Yup expected #1 spot lol.
Adachi Based
You should do this for fire emblem three houses if you’ve played that game
13:49 is this real
this reminds me of thaf one jojo guy
Adachi
Who let bro cook😩😐
Im not sure about yusuke being in the ace catergory he did have a reaction when Ann undressed in his Atelier and he also blushed hard in the anime when they all went to the public bath together. I'd put him in the propably Queer or maybe Pan category i think
Adachi cap
Clearly asexual
Kanji: Stop calling me LGBTQ ranks Dam it
You people just can't help yourselves from trying to ruin everything fyyff
Lol Kanji isn't even technically gay. Most of this is wrong or even not well thought out. Like Shinjaro who literally only survives if you romance him a female MC.
Fr but Kanji prefers women by his mindset, but he does say it ain't matter and he was just afraid to be rejected. Not to mention, he kinda liked Naoto even before finding out that she's a girl (but yea he definitely wanted her to be girl).
On Shinjiro case, they think he's possibly gay cuz they probably ship him with Akihiko (I don't think this ship has the best dynamic).
@@qq-st9xo Wouldn't that make kanji bi/pan?
@@devanplays3509 that's my point lol
Whats wrong with discussing children's sexuality?
Children's don't date.
これは地引網だ
No, no, no
I haven't played personal 1, but I played IS and EP and you made a lot a false assumptions.
Earring boy: straight
Maki sonomura: straight
Reiji: Straight (is getting married)
Eriko: Straight
Brown: Straight
Mark: I don't know
Ayase: I don't Know
Nanjo: Asexual
Yukino: Straight ( She was in love of the protographer that died in Innocent Sin)
Tatsuya: Bi
Eikichi: Straight
Lisa: Straight
Maya: Straight (She shown feelings for Tatsuya in both games)
Jun: Gay
Katsuya: Straight
Ulala: Straight
Baofu: Straight but currently asexual
Nameless: Asexual
Igor: Asexual
Belladona: Asexual
Demon Painter: Asexual or straight as it is a cameo ofa real person.
Philemon: Asexual
Nyarly: Asexual
P3MC: straight
Yukari: straight but with queer vibes
Junpei: Straight
Akihiko: Straight but more asexual
Shinjiro: Straight
Mitsuru: Bi
Fuuka: straight
Kenji: Straight
Kazushi: Straight
Hitedoshi: Straight
Keisuke: Asexual
Yuko: straight
Chihiro: Straight
Toriumi: straight
Bunkichi and his wife: straight
Ryoji: Bi (in FMC he confessed that for him doesn't matter her gender)
Bebe: Queer and asexual
Tanaka: Straight
Mutatsu: Straight
Mamoru: Asexual
Gourmet King: no idea, but seriously who would like to have a date him
Akinari: Asexual
Aigis: Bi
Elizabeth: Bi
Teo: probably bi
P4MC: Bi (if we count Yosuke romance) or straight in cannon.
Yosuke: Gay in denial.
Chie: Straight with queer vibes
Yuko: Straight with queer vibes
Naoto: Straight or asexual (Naoto is not trans, she has gender dysphoria)
Rise: Straight
Kanji: Probably queer
Margaret: Straight
Dojima: straight
Kou: Straight
Daisuke: Straight
Naoki: Asexual
Hizano: Straight
Eri: Straight
Sayoko: Straight
Teddie: Pan
Ai: Straight
Yumi: Straight
Ayane: Straight
Marie: Straight
Adachi: Straight
P5MC: straight with queer vibes
Morgana: straight
Makoto: straight or asexual
Haru: Straight
Yusuke: Straight (She shown a lot of interest for Ann when she was acting to make time)
Sojiro: Straight
Ann: Straight
Ryuji: straight
Akechi: Gay/asexual (Too much obsession with Joker)
Futaba: Straight
Chihaya: Straight
Iwai: Asexual (but I would like that he were romanceable)
Tae: Straight/Asexual
Kawakami: Straight
Ohya: Straight
Hifumi: Straight/Asexual
Mishima: Straight/ Phantom Thieves sexual
Yoshida: Asexual
Sumire: Straight
Maruki: Straight
"Naoto is not trans, she has gender dysphoria" ?? having gender dysphoria = trans.
Mark is also straight and ayase is also married to a man.
@@Charles.II_of_Englandnope is not the same, Naoto has no problem with her sex, but with the restrictions that she will have with her gender at pursuing her career as detective, as this profession is more suited for male.
@@narasnekis that gender dysphoria? i thought gender dysphoria is a feeling of being uncomfortable with your body bc of its gender
Yusuke literally says ge has no interest in Ann as a member of the opposite sex.
Just because Kanji likes girly things does NOT make him gay.
We’re not saying he’s gay, we’re saying he’s bi/pan because he was attracted to naoto when she was presenting as male
@@Icedtomoe is still attraction to girl
@@1chibanKasugaYeah but Kanji didn't know that at that time. And even when he did find out that she was only masc-presenting, his reaction wasn't exactly pumped like, "Aw heck yeah! So I was straight after all."
No it was more like he didn't care either way but was still being a bit hesitant back when he thought Naoto was a guy because of the stigma associated with gay men, which even his own friend group does nothing to lessen his fears about it.
Anyway, I feel like Atlus really fudged up in their representation of LGBT+ characters and themes in games ahead of Persona 2 because holy heck, I've read fanfiction that handled characters like Yosuke, Teddie, Kanji and Naoto better.
I'm h@mophob
not trying to be too offensive to you Minto, but you shouldnt do such a video A when you either just woke up or are ready to get to sleep B when you are clearly not experienced enough with the franchise to form proper opinions, even for a joke video like this because I rather question your mental state or mental age rather then your opinion on the matter when you use like "hetereonormative" to cope with the fact that you dunno shit about P1 for example C when you are clearly unsure why and for what reason you wanna do this vid, because it really felt like you had an itch to scratch, and you didnt think about it for more then 5 seconds because your discord P5 buddies were either offline, tired of you or just didnt care enough to talk with you about this somewhat interesting topic, generally speaking, that you had the idea to do a video about it instead of like finding some discord servers and folks around where you could rather talk about this without doing a medial documentation of you feeling not mentally forwarded enough to tryhard this at all. Or in short: Think about your actions and the consequences, before setting yourself up for failure and ruination like that.
this is an insane rant on a ranking video of all things
bro are u okay
@@transantag I didn't think he was per se insane, just not very attentive and rather flat, which did hurt the list/video he wanted to create.
@Evilriku13 bro it is a tier list
“First off I’m not straight.”
Could tell by the use of a vtuber avatar.
Based comment
i could tell by the title of the video,