you also need to factor the wave position. Higher elo players focus on the pure fundamentals than psychological like "oh theres a minion wave in the way, theres literally no angle or way I can get dove with cc."
So I sub to @Tilterella just a few days ago and then I see you in random vids that pop up in my feed 😂 Looks like I'll have to sub to Coach Rogue as well. This feels like the correct play, lol
about the first one if the naut goes for the hook onto either the maokai or the varus its a lost fight judging by their hp and how good maokai is at pealing. maokai would insta w the naut and since samira is less then half hp if she goes in with e, maokai counters with q and then varus proceeds to one shot thee samira
2:40 Not as applicable/bad example, Leo misses her grapple and since it's on CD Ashe and Lux can play more confidently for about 12 seconds without much risk, therefore there isn't much indication based on body language alone due to this fact. In any rank above gold, most players would play a bit more agro temporarily after seeing Leo miss her snare even if they didn't have a gank incoming.
Ashe Lux still can’t win it if Leona flashes on Ashe, Lux is playing poorly tho, way too passive into way too aggressive, very telegraphed, I believe this was the point of the example. Not the specifics of who would win the 2v2 with Leo missed ability
So how should you telegraph against a lane that is 50/50? How should I be playing if the fight isn’t favoured in any player, and more so even odds for the victor I main mid lane, btw
I understand example. Thank you. Both these Nautilus players are at the mercy of their lane partners, who have set up bad wave states. Doesn't matter how much posturing Nautilus does, it's for nothing. ("All for Naut" :D). First Nautilus is worried about enemy gank. 3 camp into bot is plausible. Nothing he can do, lane partner is just as scared. Maokai flash + enemy jungler = guaranteed. Second Nautilus pressure is useless. Enemy is completely safe in this wave state. I would prefer he slink back into the brush, make enemy wonder if he recalled. Or I would prefer he play closer to river, to spot earlier enemy jungle approaching.
Remember, summoners, League of Legends has no turn animations. If they're in range, they're in range. Everyone was forced to learn this lesson explicitly when Thresh first released and became popular (although Blitzcrank predates him). (As a side note; if you want to play Morgana, you need to learn how to position yourself to advantage yourself in the hook/shield minigame. In this case, Morgana probably had just enough time to body block between Thresh and Jinx so that she could shield herself and be guaranteed to block the hook. Jinx is not that far away from Thresh, so it would be impossible or at least extremely difficult for him to throw the hook wide and exploit its wide hitbox at the end of its range or get a lollipop from the game code to occur on Jinx. Cassiopeia is the champion which 'should' actually get the most out of this technique, because the red-light-green-light nature of outplaying her Ult makes it useful to hide its cast animation by desensitizing forward-facing, or bluff it. Otherwise it's more useful for champions trying to get cheeky extra autos, particularly with slower auto-attack animations. Jhin is a poster example for getting rewarded on his slower, chunkier autos and really wanting to find the frame to get the Fourth Shot in. In that vein, I do like to feel out my opponent's response to fishing for and then landing single autos on my ADC's, especially Ashe (and also poking/threatening to follow-up on her Volley). Because the combination of Frost Shot and the Approach Velocity rune give you a moment of 'hang time' where you can minigame the length of trade you're going to get. This works best when your Ranger's Focus is almost fully stacked, but that mechanic also rewards you for consistently applying this tactic in quick succession because the dance itself will stack you as it succeeds, and in the mean-time also gives your support time to think about and position into their catch spell or at least land additional skill-shots with more confidence. It's also worth noting that beyond the full psychological fake of the facing of your model, the forward-back 'wiggle' maneuver allows you to sniff out and exploit mechanical mistakes from the opponent. They might have trained themself to focus on the center of mass or feet of your character above the facing of the model, but it still tests their threat assessment and mouse hand. If they don't trust their mechanics or their strength in the exchange, you can get some zoning and wave priority out of it; if they try to play the fine positioning dance with you and their hand slips for a moment, they get caught.
If you /dance, it intimidates them greatly.
Can confirm, I insta recall when that happens to me.
this is actually really important, wow
Glad you enjoyed it :D Can't believe I never thought to make a video on this sooner
The guy in the first clip is also standing behind the wave. The big threat from Naut is his hook, and minions block hooks.
thats what i was thinking too
Dude you explained this so well! I'm surprised I've never really seen any content on this topic of body language.
For everyone who is wondering how you beat people when the level of play on both sides is mechanically perfect, this is how
Brother, your content is LEAGUES better than everyone else's
you also need to factor the wave position. Higher elo players focus on the pure fundamentals than psychological like "oh theres a minion wave in the way, theres literally no angle or way I can get dove with cc."
Huh? Focusing on fundamentals was like 3 ranks ago when you're challenger.
Would you like to Coach me in a collaboration? I moved into the support role this season and could use some coaching to get me to the next level
I'd love to man let's set it up! I'll contact you on twitter :)
@@CoachRogue sweet as
So I sub to @Tilterella just a few days ago and then I see you in random vids that pop up in my feed 😂
Looks like I'll have to sub to Coach Rogue as well. This feels like the correct play, lol
Great vid, thanks Coach Rogue.
Your clips make me wish Thresh will be meta in pro play again 😢
about the first one if the naut goes for the hook onto either the maokai or the varus its a lost fight judging by their hp and how good maokai is at pealing. maokai would insta w the naut and since samira is less then half hp if she goes in with e, maokai counters with q and then varus proceeds to one shot thee samira
Me watching this as a jungler
This channel is OP wt*
Best coach on yt
I found this extremely interesting
What if you're actually the weaker side? You moving forwards and backwards from enemy wouldn't threat him but also put you under risk
2:40 Not as applicable/bad example, Leo misses her grapple and since it's on CD Ashe and Lux can play more confidently for about 12 seconds without much risk, therefore there isn't much indication based on body language alone due to this fact. In any rank above gold, most players would play a bit more agro temporarily after seeing Leo miss her snare even if they didn't have a gank incoming.
Ashe Lux still can’t win it if Leona flashes on Ashe, Lux is playing poorly tho, way too passive into way too aggressive, very telegraphed, I believe this was the point of the example. Not the specifics of who would win the 2v2 with Leo missed ability
So how should you telegraph against a lane that is 50/50? How should I be playing if the fight isn’t favoured in any player, and more so even odds for the victor
I main mid lane, btw
Nice vid
Unrealistic. My supports are always under the god damn turret from level 1.
then go with them. better to make a bad play with your team than a “good” play alone,
imo, or for me at least, playing ap shaco well essentially requires strong/clever body language
Ok ok so when all my abilities are on cooldown, posture aggressively okay #whyamistuckinbronze
I understand example. Thank you.
Both these Nautilus players are at the mercy of their lane partners, who have set up bad wave states.
Doesn't matter how much posturing Nautilus does, it's for nothing.
("All for Naut" :D).
First Nautilus is worried about enemy gank. 3 camp into bot is plausible.
Nothing he can do, lane partner is just as scared.
Maokai flash + enemy jungler = guaranteed.
Second Nautilus pressure is useless. Enemy is completely safe in this wave state.
I would prefer he slink back into the brush, make enemy wonder if he recalled.
Or I would prefer he play closer to river, to spot earlier enemy jungle approaching.
Found the silver stuck support main
@@CarbonDPS Explain please help me learn :D
I don't mean to be rude but this comment completely missed the point of the video.
LOL body language, this shit is common sense
Thats why fake pressure doesn't work in low elo 😂
NEACE was ahead of his time.
So you are PhoenixSC for League Of Legends 😂😂
Remember, summoners, League of Legends has no turn animations. If they're in range, they're in range.
Everyone was forced to learn this lesson explicitly when Thresh first released and became popular (although Blitzcrank predates him).
(As a side note; if you want to play Morgana, you need to learn how to position yourself to advantage yourself in the hook/shield minigame. In this case, Morgana probably had just enough time to body block between Thresh and Jinx so that she could shield herself and be guaranteed to block the hook. Jinx is not that far away from Thresh, so it would be impossible or at least extremely difficult for him to throw the hook wide and exploit its wide hitbox at the end of its range or get a lollipop from the game code to occur on Jinx.
Cassiopeia is the champion which 'should' actually get the most out of this technique, because the red-light-green-light nature of outplaying her Ult makes it useful to hide its cast animation by desensitizing forward-facing, or bluff it.
Otherwise it's more useful for champions trying to get cheeky extra autos, particularly with slower auto-attack animations. Jhin is a poster example for getting rewarded on his slower, chunkier autos and really wanting to find the frame to get the Fourth Shot in.
In that vein, I do like to feel out my opponent's response to fishing for and then landing single autos on my ADC's, especially Ashe (and also poking/threatening to follow-up on her Volley). Because the combination of Frost Shot and the Approach Velocity rune give you a moment of 'hang time' where you can minigame the length of trade you're going to get. This works best when your Ranger's Focus is almost fully stacked, but that mechanic also rewards you for consistently applying this tactic in quick succession because the dance itself will stack you as it succeeds, and in the mean-time also gives your support time to think about and position into their catch spell or at least land additional skill-shots with more confidence.
It's also worth noting that beyond the full psychological fake of the facing of your model, the forward-back 'wiggle' maneuver allows you to sniff out and exploit mechanical mistakes from the opponent. They might have trained themself to focus on the center of mass or feet of your character above the facing of the model, but it still tests their threat assessment and mouse hand. If they don't trust their mechanics or their strength in the exchange, you can get some zoning and wave priority out of it; if they try to play the fine positioning dance with you and their hand slips for a moment, they get caught.
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