2016 Personality Lecture 04: Piaget Constructivism
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- How does a baby build itself a personality? How does that built personality integrate itself into the social world? No one answered these questions better than Jean Piaget.
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My university classes never had applause at the end of them. That’s how you know it’s good stuff. When teenagers applaud you for a 1 hour lecture.
He is the teacher I never had. I can have enough of his lectures. I am sooo happy he is back.
It means teenagers like it, it doesn't mean it's high quality
@@Micha-ii2ki dangerously based take
@@xxxViceroyxxx sorry I don't understand
@@Micha-ii2ki it means I think what you said is fundamentally notable
You're bloody brilliant, fantastic conclusion. I can't stop watching these.
Yeah, same!
Damn, he was on fire 🔥
As a college student who feels constantly neglected mentally, it is amazing to finally see an incredibly intelligent and well-thought man step up to the plate like you have. Never before have I met a professor who learned to think for himself and then share his ideas with students. You are the first professor I have ever seen being applauded at the end of a lecture and you deserve every bit of it, every lecture.
The weird camera autofocus effect gives JP’s baby-in-space a whole new dimension :)
By 42:28 I got so overwhelmed with depth and informativeness of the lecture I couldn’t help but loudly verbally express how impacted I am by this. Never ever before has any lecturer felt so interesting and useful for me. Thank you, Dr. Peterson.
From Russia, with love :)
I noticed the camera affect too! Looked like the room was breathing, great effect for the conversation..heh
This should be required material for all new parents. I think it's a shame that many parents will raise their babies with only a surface level appreciation for what the baby is going through. Anything that can help foster a deeper understanding between the baby and it's parents will pay huge dividends for both of them.
I watched your 2015 Personality Lectures and I think it's amazing how much better you get at lecturing year to year..It's almost a completely different lecture, and I really respect how much effort you put into making your lectures so captivating...especially as a college student surrounded by professors who I sense don't enjoy teaching at all and who aren't a tenth as articulate as you...I wonder how they're allowed to teach and why I'm paying so much money for it...it's funny and infuriating for me at the same time. Thank you professor Peterson.
Rakim Hinds I guess you could say your other teachers are on the lower end of the pareto distribution.
I believe that each person that
*touches* your intellect is that metaphysical and spiritual resonance that is divinely a gift to humanity for the era we are in. Remember that prophetic writing talks about *teachers* that will correct our thinking....
Thank you sir for allowing your lectures to be puplic.
Here I am - 38 years old, realizing how little I know about the most fundamental aspects of being. This should be mandatory learning.
Steve Perron same here!
Same her, just 41
I'm 37... Trying to get a hold of my life.
It's 2 years later since your post. Any advice from your journey through his lectures and other tips?
@@joeygurzynski7074hope you're well, fellow
How amazing are these lectures? The entire time I was in college I cant remember students applauding at the end of a lecture. JBP does it all the time. This man is so brilliant and exciting to watch.
Dear Professor Peterson, I wish to make subtitles/closed captions to your videos (this video in particular), because I want to show it to a relative who has hearing problems. Could you allow the contribution of subtitles/closed captions? Thanks for all your work, it's very insightful
E mail him
@@rosalbadelriogarcia9598 lol
Well, alas.
Just download and edit the video
I, too, would have clapped at the end of this lecture. Bravo sir and thank you for sharing
Sometimes he even bends the space
Jajaahahahaha
lol
Thank you very much for making these lectures available
Notes from 0:00-7:50
PIAGET (Constructivism)
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Genetic Epistemologist - Biological Philosopher
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-Stages of Development (countabable)
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(Central Study: high-level metaphysical problems) Piaget Set out to bridge the gap between science
and religion.
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PIAGET - BRIDGING THE GAP
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description of the world vs proscriptive description of the world.
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contradiction between science and religion.
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What the world is, and how you should be -or- what the world is and how you should act.
WHAT WAS PIAGET UP TO?
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interested in fundamental issues:
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-Number and Space
-Time and Speed
-Permanent objects
--How does a person develop the notion of what constitutes permanent objects.
--How do you know a thing is the same, when it changes into something different?
---Example: If you pour liquid from one container into another, how do you know the amount of liquid
is the same?
-How do children develop their ideas about:
--Chance
--Morality & moral knowledge
--Causality
-What are children doing when they are playing.
MOST FUNDAMENTAL CONTRIBUTION:
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-Analysis of Play and Dreams
--With serious consideration given towards Imitation play, in the scaffolding of the human
personality.
God bless you Jordan, you've enriched my life in ways you'll never know
Thank you Dr. Jordan Peterson. I have learned a lot from your lectures.
You are amazing!
Babies have a terrific sense of humor because they just got here and have less distance from the great cosmic joke. This world appears hysterical to them. It is too bad that will get lost but the good news is that when you are really old and senile like I am the joke takes on renewed life. Babies and I have one hell of a good time.
What a lovely comment, Dawn! :-)
Hhahahahahahahhha love it ❤
Hope to take that into my humor as soon as possible :p really beautiful comment.
I totally agree. I used to balance ( or try to) a wooden spoon on my hand vertical when my daughter was a baby and she would just laugh til her belly hurt.
"You win the game but you loose the meta game; be fair, be a good sport." I like that. Wow.
12:18
“Animals…behavior…goal setting…personality framework…Piaget’s work…”
THEN…14:58
“Imagine you might say someone’s a GOOD person…what is a GOOD person?”
A GOOD person, is someone who respects and takes into account the human condition.
They START from a place of UNDERSTANDING.
They DON’T just look for affirmation or acceptance of themselves or their own ideals…
They SEEK to UNDERSTAND first,
(That goes two ways: empathy/sympathy, and simply curious understanding…information.)
THEN, they take into account the human condition and their OWN understanding, then ACTS to REFLECT, all of the above.
'Life can be characterised by a series of salient and meaningful games that embody the meta narrative of the life game - whereby intellect, innovation and effervescence are primordial and necessary for holistic and consistent success.'
My favourite thing about this lecture is Jordan Peterson demonstrating how babies act 😁
Thank you for improving my capacity to empathise with reality
Such a great lecture series!
what a delight to watch!
Nothing short of amazing. It seems that in every video, I get that 'mind blown' feeling. Thank you
i wonder why nobody watch this more so much wisdom :D
1:11:00 There's a similar concept in Go, the same game AlphaGo plays, called 'Harmony Go(or Game)'.
Go is a game of warfare where black and white rocks clash. Like every warfare, the invasive and offensive moves draws much quicker, or even overwhelming, win to the skilled player. However, overly offensive moves are considered as rude and insulting to the opponent. It's not a good way to play the metagame.
Even though Go is a wargame between two opponents and you're extremely good at it, you can't play it if there's no opponent to match with you. If you crush your opponent in a humiliating way, they'll never want to play with you.
So the masters used to play Go as a tool of socializing. It was like silent dance. And that is the spirit of 'Harmony Go'.
I wish i could get the handouts for the course. Great lectures.
Thank you very much for the knowledge!
Very good and intriguing video, but I couldn't help but notice (neuroscience background) you said that the motor areas were behind the central sulcus when discussing the aspects of the homunculus. You might have had a reverse of the two, because the motor areas are anterior to those of the somatosensory. Otherwise, a great lecture. Thank you.
+Michael Chin I believe you, very nice video on the brain.
Just a heads up, someone messed around with the perspective on this video also.
Thank you, Dr. Peterson, for all the discussions and analyses that you share in your postings here. Life changing for me.
The self-authoring writing exercises were also very helpful.
Watching for my Early Childhood Education class.
What a fantastic lecture!
Amazing. Who else is watching in 2021 ?
2022!
Excellent Lecture
One question: I've heard Dr. Peterson state that the human gestation period should be 2 years based on similarly sized animals. Does anyone have the source for this? From what I can find, we're on par with other animals of our size.
For example:
Chimp gestation: 240 days
Cow: 286 days
Gorillia: 257 days
Human: 270 days
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammalian_gestation_durations
The only animal I know that approaches the two year mark is the elephant which of course if far larger than a person. I'm just wondering if this statement is accurate.
Why are therapists, teachers, and parents, so quick to tell children and adults who are being socially excluded, "Well, you shouldn't care what they think." I think this is deadly advice for exactly the reasons you outline here. Is it a form of social gatekeeping?What should people do when someone is being socially excluded, ie, "left out of the game"?
This is a very good question. What are you supposed to do if you weren't socialized enough? Just roll over and die? If a person can transform himself as fundamentally as Peterson suggests in other videos, why can't he make himself socially acceptable?
That game at the end really caught me off guard. I would have offered 1 dollar, because they would have gotten nothing otherwise. As he went on I realised that was completely the wrong choice.
38:39 "Babies kinda look like they are stoned on LSD." 😂
- Jordan B Peterson 2016
Monopoly games rarely end well in my family
lol
42:15, what, at that stage of development, could possibly be considered "accidental"? Accidental compared to what? Thank you, love that you posted these!
1:08:30 micro & meta games
Dear Jordan Peterson, could you please tell which Piaget book (or books) is best to start with to read about known/unknown, knowledge building, abstraction hierarchy, equilibration?
+Jordan B Peterson Thank you.
What happened to his reply?
I'm interested in whether Jordan ever addresses psychopathologies such as Bipolar & Schizophrenia.
If you're interested in that I'd suggest taking a course or reading about _abnormal psychology_. That branch would focus more on those type of pathologies.
You know you're a great professor when people clap in the end..
if evry human would learn this the world would be so much better
Yes be to dentist. Your observation are to. I will try the experiment on my friend back.
Fuck! that ending. perfeck distillation.
automatic subtitles? great vid anyway.
If I can help with subtitles in Portuguese let me know
Peterson expresses his nietzschean will to power through using big words
Amazing to my brain
these lectures mean so much to me, thank you so much Jordan, you are the fucking man!
papa bless!
This one little thing making me curious. Elephants have gestation period less than 2 years
How could humans have longer?
Why are you doomed if you weren't socialized as a baby? Dr Peterson has often made a point of how fundamentally a person can change. Why can't this mean you can make yourself socially acceptable?
Problems compound over time. Setting sail just a few degrees off at the start of a journey puts you off course by thousands of miles. Perhaps it's the same with people.
On Piaget:
7:40
13:40
21:16
his jacket still has the wrist label
It's messing with my concentration
He does that for the same reason teenagers keep the sticker on their caps.
Note to self 10:00
I strongly believe, based on personal experience, that it is not just babies that need to be touched. Adults need to be touched, hugged, kissed, and massaged, ... if not , they gradually become peculiar and mentally ill.
This should be mandatory for parents....
Was there a specific book that Piaget discussed his " messianic stage" or was this theory discussed in multiple books?
Respectfully, I find that these ideas take mental energy to follow and that the interruption of commercials makes tracking with you more difficult. Perhaps demonetize these for people like me?
Where should one start when reading Piaget?
Does anyone knows where to get the diagram he explains at 8:50?
Never mind, after pulling them both up, its the second of the two (the quora post) that he seems to be referring to.
I was not acceptably socialized by 3 or 4.
how are you doing after all?
It's hard to see how these lectures are different from maps of meaning... Maybe it's just the first half of the course?
I thought the same thing. Ive seen all of maps of meaning but im only this far in personality. So far it seems thats maps of meaning was more about societies and this is more personal/evolutionary but just my speculation
The end was great
I disagree with Dr. Peterson on his analysis of Piaget's genetic epistemology. One of Piaget's main contributions wasn't his analyses of children's play and dreams; rather, he was strongly and particularly concerned about solving the old dualist dilema of rationality vs. experience, the relationship between the subject and the object, res cogitas vs. res extensa. Based on Kant's epistemological insights, Piaget proposed and demonstrated that knowledge is neither innate nor predetermined inside the objects of experience. Knowledge originates from the continous action of the individual (both physically and mentally) on the objects of experience. In other words, knowledge is not predetermined (neither internally nor externally) but rather continuously constructed and reconstructed in the interaction between subject and object. To explain that interaction he brought in concepts from Biology, such as assimilation and accommodation, equilibrium and adaptation. Piaget believed that there was a sort fo parallelism between Biology, Psychology and Epistemology. But his main concern was epistemological, not psychological (e.g., play, developmental stages, mental operations etc.) or biological.
Brilliant man!
Enthios This is my work.
Is the blackboard moving or is it the camera focus.???
No, that happens from time to time when Jordans knowledge rips the fabric of space. Realitly shifts and vibrates.
Is that Cajuína? 37:35
I'm a bit confused now with the numbers but oh well..my boy JP got that good shit on deck everyday
Just a typo. He meant 2016, and I believe it's the 4th lecture for his Personality course
Yeah, I figured...was just messing around really. In the middle of watching. These 2016 ones are my favorite lectures so far...He continues to evolve each year.
+Michael Randell - xitzprofessor Right on. I can't get enough of this. I love how rich and unscripted his lectures are.
For real man..Me neither. I think I'll watch them for the rest of my life. I'm 24 and they have truly been and continue to be a big part of shaping my life.
+Michael Randell - xitzprofessor Same here.
Life is a cosmic randomness throughout which physics attempts to establish stability. Life in general for a sentient being, is crap. There is more against than for you, it's a ghastly mess of pubescent trauma and end of life tragedy with, like an unhealthy high street bought sandwich, a generally unpleasant middle filling. There is no 'happiness' you can work to achieve, it's dodging the bullet every hour of every working day. Success and happiness are the exception, not an achievable goal. Reality is dire, it's how many body-blows you can take which determines your survivability, not adopting a model when waiting for them.
34:50 hahahaha
Thanks for the upload, but for goodness sake, if you buy a new jacket please remove the labels stitched on the cuff.
07:54
When is the last time you heard students clap at the end of the lecture?
58:00 games
59:00
1:04'00
Pluggin’ away...
8:11 when does Mr Peterson refer to a standard computational device, does he exclude softwares powered by Reinforcement Learning? Because if not, his definition does not fit. What he described is exactly how such program runs.
What even such software lack though, is a "meaning" or some higher motivation addressing "Why to bother with anything" That's why it needs goals set by human to describe what state of the world benefits the program and what does not. Humans have this goal set by limitations of own body and nature. Programs do not.
1:07:27 dudu
👏
0100hem Just as predicted.
“Evil capitalist pig game” 😂
Peterson/Piaget spect atchmnt w/modulation fx
41:00 self imitation Piaget
Preeti onee
51:00 ***Humour observation claim (infant)
Mano parece q ele ta tomando cajuína
The students in the class have to stop laughing at obvious moments were laughter is NOT appropriate.
In the twenty dollar experiment I would offer 1 dollar...
My instinct and first choice, no doubt due to my social conditioning was to give ten. However on reflection I would have given fifteen or even it all, in accordance with Deepak Chopra's second law of spiritual success, the law of giving. The idea is you will receive what you give, with the caveat that that if it is done with the intention of receiving and not from a motivation of love it doesn't count.
I subscribe to these ideas but have noticed that although it is relatively easy to accept a new behavioral pattern the difficultly lies in remembering to do it. This seems to imply how much of my decision making is actually conditioned or automatic or basically unconscious.
Interesting that Dr.Peterson then outlined the advantages of giving fifteen in the higher meta-game...can I conclude the second law has some support?
I did have a little hurdle though. If you give what you would like to receive , what do you do if you want sex?haha It took a few days but I finally arrived at a solution, tengo que foyar con feas! (f is the' f' word and fea is ugly) sorry.
Cretil
58:00 evil capitalist pig game - be the 1%
what in the world is he talkin' about.
Good lecture. The final idea as far as i know is also known as time average maximization in ergodicity economics by Ole Peters, Murray Gell-Mann. The time average maximization instead of the expected value maximization as told by story of classical economy where you only give one dollar, but people usually give >10 $. The reason according to the above mentioned authors is that there is underlying assumption that the game will repeat and you want to win in the long run, hence maximizing your time average instead of one step immediate expectation value. This perhaps explains why from evolutionary perspective people even bother helping others.
What about the jealousy between siblings and competition for attention of a parent, did Piaget work on this?
I personally mostly ignore the IQ bs from these lectures. More on that here:
medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39
it's SAD the way your mind works. it's like a horse with blinders on. SAD