Boeing 747 Crashes Just 2 Minutes After Takeoff in Europe (Bad Attitude)

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  • Find out why this Boeing 747 jumbo jet crashed just two minutes after taking off from London Stansted Airport in the United Kingdom.
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  • @barisontheroad
    @barisontheroad 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +361

    Thank's for taking the comments serious and changing the storytelling to the old way instead of voice over.

    • @desdicadoric
      @desdicadoric 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      I liked the voice over

    • @leadboots72
      @leadboots72 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      I like the original format much more. Glad it's back.

    • @Lauriedriver
      @Lauriedriver 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      I agree,welcome back “the flight channel” as it should be.

    • @danielshannon6027
      @danielshannon6027 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I prefer the voice over because the captions disappear before I get finished reading them and I have to pause the video.

    • @jameshoyle5918
      @jameshoyle5918 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      @@desdicadoricI never like voice overs because there is usually too much Blah Blah Blah, especially channels that review flights, some of those channels are unwatchable.

  • @MrCrystalcranium
    @MrCrystalcranium 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +263

    This crash was so full of the various communication issues that plague aviation. The flight crew boarding an airplane without knowing there's a major issue that will affect directional control is unforgivable. Maintenance is at least 50% responsible for this crash but a Captain who either doesn't recognize or ignores over a dozen alarms and a first officer who out of not wanting to offend the captain, watches him fly them right into the ground, probably deserves more than half the blame. Unreal. Plus, I know there's technical pilot shorthand on the flight deck but the flight engineer calling out "Bank Bank" in an emergency situation...I feel like he should have said "Captain, your ADI isn't working...overbanking to the left!!!" Maybe that would have taken too much time...I don't know but I find myself feeling this way so many times when there's someone in the cockpit who understands exactly how much trouble they're in and responds with what sounds like an ambiguous callout like "Speed" or "Pitch" etc.

    • @wobblybobengland
      @wobblybobengland 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      This. The new flight crew is not informed, unforgivable as you state, but if the bloke with the column control doesn't ask for clarification then he's won the blame game.

    • @ricbarker4829
      @ricbarker4829 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      This was not 50% blame by any metric. The snag was written up and should have been seen by the crew when they reviewed the Maintenance Release. Who the hell keeps turning the control wheel until it dives into the ground? 11 warnings? Co-pilot did nothing? 99% pilot error.

    • @lospazio
      @lospazio 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      It was the responsibility of the flight crew who took over at Stansted to review the technical log, where the fault was reported.

    • @moosifer3321
      @moosifer3321 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It has to be noted that this Debacle resulted in a vast improvement in Korean"s Previously Abysmal Safety Record, which a Normal Being could easily more expect from Fat Boy"s Dad in the Other Korea.@@ricbarker4829

    • @cjaussienerfer8169
      @cjaussienerfer8169 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      @@ricbarker4829The co-pilot and “commander” issue stemmed deep into the history of how one’s in higher position treated those in lower ranks of society. Even in training it was found that new pilots where not properly trained to override captains fault that could lead them to disaster, nor verbally speak in equal. The captain in question was never a first officer either as he became captain by default when he left the Air Force (as means of honour to his service and respect). This type of issue plagued Korean Air badly and required a major overhaul to its training and operations with its pilots (and as far as not to honour a high rank Air Force commander as a captain in the civilian aviation till they had done the full proper training including cockpit communication management).

  • @poppabear9279
    @poppabear9279 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    There was a lot of untold issues with this. The mentality of the captain and dominant, old school Korean tactics did not help.
    The co-pilot was mocked several times prior to this and he was scared to speak up.

    • @apogee8149
      @apogee8149 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      Consequences of a shame-based culture

    • @luuduonghy659
      @luuduonghy659 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      For anyone didn't know, the old school Korean tactics I remember is the captain always being the first. This prove to be their downfall as it didn't provide strong teamwork to other pilot.

    • @AspasiaB
      @AspasiaB 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I remember a similar situation with, I think, a Pakistani airline crash outside of Karachi. Older pilot who was domineering and completely demoralized his copilot. So when the plane was obviously not going to clear the mountain range outside of the airport, the copilot was too afraid to say anything until it was too late. I watched this on an episode of Mayday.

    • @luuduonghy659
      @luuduonghy659 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AspasiaB It was captain quote destroy copilot.

    • @loelds4817
      @loelds4817 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Racist.

  • @GemmaLB
    @GemmaLB 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +121

    Goes to show that experience doesn't count for much when tunnel vision and nonexistent CRM takes over. RIP.

    • @raccuia1
      @raccuia1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah I know what South Koreans are like. They venerate older people and older people control younger people. A sick dynamic.

    • @franciscopino5284
      @franciscopino5284 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I don't think is a case of tunnel vision, I will call it tunnel brains.

    • @K1OIK
      @K1OIK 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      CRM?

    • @GemmaLB
      @GemmaLB 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@K1OIK Crew Resource Management

    • @K1OIK
      @K1OIK 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GemmaLB Do you realize not every viewer of this channel is not a Sully like you. I doubt if Sully were here, he would be so hip and cool as you. using aircraft acronyms. He would understand as smart as he is, he would not try to show up others using terms like CVR,CRM, GA. EFB, TOGA, FO. But you are not him you need to prove what you know.
      That type of person is known as a know it all or smart ass.

  • @vijaykumarwali7509
    @vijaykumarwali7509 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    You are one of those rare youtubers who genuinely listens and cares about what your viewers like and takes feedback really well
    .kudos

  • @allenparmenter9975
    @allenparmenter9975 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Glad you are back to original format- great video!

  • @jeffreymcdonald8267
    @jeffreymcdonald8267 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    How does the ground Engineer who met the plane on arrival and was informed of the faulty ADI not mention this to the new flight crew ??? And he plans on flying with them.

    • @johnalexander7490
      @johnalexander7490 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I was wondering about that, too.

    • @jamiecheslo
      @jamiecheslo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Right? Had I been that engineer, I would have made bloody sure that the flight crew knew EXACTLY what was wrong with the ADI in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS, REPEATEDLY, until they got sick of me and kicked me out of the cockpit!! But hey, that's just me and my wish to continue living for a while longer.

    • @jeffreymcdonald8267
      @jeffreymcdonald8267 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @denniswilson8013 Good reason not to be too concerned about the Chinese AF.

    • @RatPfink66
      @RatPfink66 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @denniswilson8013 Having trouble finding anything about this ship or the incident in Google results.

    • @HUNmerlin
      @HUNmerlin 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think he thought he fixed it so there was nothing to tell, plus it was in the maintenance log which the new pilots always read afaik.

  • @dickbeale9731
    @dickbeale9731 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    I’m currently a wide body captain for a major U.S. airline. This would never have happened at my airline. For one, you would not have been allowed to dispatch with an erroneous ADI. Two, with the write up in the logbook, the outbound crew should have immediately been alerted and refused the aircraft. This is ridiculous.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Well Said.

    • @muffs55mercury61
      @muffs55mercury61 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Korean Air was different then. There was no crew resource management as the captain ruled with an iron fist. Two years earlier there was the crash on Guam. After the 8509 crash it was made into a safer airline.

    • @dhart8451
      @dhart8451 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I hope you are correct but NEVER say NEVER.

    • @BrianMorrison
      @BrianMorrison 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Korean culture is very rigid and hierarchical, at the time this reached into the airlines and led to a huge authority gradient in the cockpit. Fortunately this changed although there have been echoes of it such as the Korean Air 777 crash at SFO.

  • @TragicFlames
    @TragicFlames 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Imagine getting all settled in, turn on your music and sit back.... then this happens....

  • @maudessen573
    @maudessen573 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +176

    TFC, that was terrific. The suspense and dread built throughout the video, as one error was compounded by the next. I truly believe that the video would have been far less effective with narration, so I am glad you did not add that. Thank you!

    • @juicebox22a
      @juicebox22a 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Agreed. Fabulous video. 👍

    • @RJDA.Dakota
      @RJDA.Dakota 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Agreed. Outside of that, each video is great and a little learning experience for the producer.

    • @Jay-Z33333
      @Jay-Z33333 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Everyone talks about how they would like the video to be made and not how TFC prefers it to be made

    • @isabellind1292
      @isabellind1292 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Jay-Z33333 I'm sure the podcaster should be able to change it up from time to time just to try something different. There's nothing wrong w/a podcaster experimenting in how they present their stories.
      They can't know how viewers will react unless they try a new approach but some viewers sound like he's betrayed them and how sad it is for him to have made any changes...good grief!🙄🙄

  • @krisw8597
    @krisw8597 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

    Amazing job as always! Thank you for going back to text, easier for me to concentrate on what’s going on. Your work and effort in this channel is awesome, very few have this talent, and your one of them! Keep moving forward in your work!

  • @jamiecheslo
    @jamiecheslo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Good lord, that situation went completely FUBAR in every respect from the moment the engineers took over at Stansted. It's almost as if after the incoming flight crew left the 747, someone called in the Keystone Kops to finish the job. Wow..... That level of incompetence in the aerospace industry just blows my mind!!

    • @northernsoutherngirl
      @northernsoutherngirl 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This was the comment I was looking for. And people wonder why I'm so afraid to fly. 🤷🏾‍♀️

    • @jamiecheslo
      @jamiecheslo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @northernsoutherngirl To be fair, it is incidents such as these that prove the adage that air travel is the safest form of travel. Given how many people fly all over the world on a daily basis, and do so safely. Ironically, it is because of the fact that these accidents are so much a part of public awareness that safety improvements are constantly being made and air travel continues to get safer. It is thanks to the investigative bodies such as the NTSB the EAB, the TSB of Canada, etc. that air travel really is safer. I fly on a regular basis, have been doing for thirty-five years, and I am still kicking. I am far from unique in that regard. I hope this goes to alleviate some of your (very understandable) anxieties around flying. Cheers!

    • @selftrue670
      @selftrue670 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      FUBAR for sure.

  • @johndoyle4723
    @johndoyle4723 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    Thanks excellent as always. I much prefer the text only version which allows me to concentrate on the content, and re read if necessary. either way, still the best aviation channel.
    Captain trusted the instrument too much, and the first officer too overawed to question his captain, and of course the maintenance handover inadequate.

  • @riverwildcat1
    @riverwildcat1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    Once again we’re seeing multiple pilots ignoring their instruments or believing one and not another. Why on earth did they not see that they were losing altitude fast, nosediving to destruction? At first there was plenty of time to correct the mistake, but at such a low altitude the ground comes up fast.

    • @foih_fg9
      @foih_fg9 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      in korean culture, the most experienced of all , can not be said by the more inexperienced that something is wrong.

    • @riverwildcat1
      @riverwildcat1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@foih_fg9 Right, and even in western culture, those of less status take a big risk when they question the judgment of a superior. The FAA has taken steps to change that, but it’s a stubborn and inbred thing.

    • @rienn8559
      @rienn8559 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      technically for them to believe the correct one they would have to believe one and not the other

    • @rienn8559
      @rienn8559 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@foih_fg9lol that culture is shitty then

    • @riverwildcat1
      @riverwildcat1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rienn8559 The video shows that one of the two instruments was seriously defective, and even though they may not have been briefed on it by the first pilots, they had time to verify which was which. By flying the plane while looking at first one, and then the other, they would discover that the defective one caused loss of altitude. If the plane’s wings aren’t level, then you’re in a turn, and you lose lift.

  • @LV2UJC-FM
    @LV2UJC-FM 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

    A Lack of communication is an understatement that led the pilots into this horrific crash and their demise.
    My deepest condolences to their loved ones. R.I.P ✝

    • @K1OIK
      @K1OIK 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your deepest condolences, you are joking, right?

    • @rienn8559
      @rienn8559 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@K1OIKhuh?

  • @davidcurtis7163
    @davidcurtis7163 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    I live three miles from where this 747 crashed and still remember the night it went down like yesterday.
    The area is still cordoned off because of spent uranium in the elevators.
    It was an awful night night

    • @problu9586
      @problu9586 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Surprised radiation safety personnel have not been sent to recover the DU components for proper disposal.

    • @etiennedauphin
      @etiennedauphin 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s pretty idiotic. Spent uranium is less radioactive than natural uranium, which itself is not that radioactive. Officially, it’s not even considered a radiological hazard. Another example of doing things so they ‘look right’ to the general public.

    • @problu9586
      @problu9586 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@etiennedauphin A DU splinter is pretty toxic and is not uncommon amongst aircraft maintenance workers. When thrown around, DU makes "cool" sparks when it hits concrete. As with any ionizing radiation source, chronic exposure to DU is harmful. DU has been found being used as paper weights in offices and pretty much everywhere and anywhere in large aircraft maintenance facilities, not wise.

    • @etiennedauphin
      @etiennedauphin 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@problu9586 I’m aware uranium is toxic, and I agree with what you said about chronic exposure with people who work with it. But we’re talking about a very weak alpha-emitter, and this means it’s only harmful if it gets inside your body. The main route for absorption of uranium where its alpha particles can harm would be breathing uranium dust. I understand from what the OP said that there are lumps of depleted uranium left on an area a couple square miles following a plane crash, not fine dust. Is that correct? If so, cordoning off an entire area of prime, suburban real estate like it’s a mini-Chernobyl exclusion zone seems over the top. Maybe I’m missing something.

    • @problu9586
      @problu9586 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@etiennedauphin Been a few decades since working radiation safety and removing radioactive debris from a few aircraft crash sites, nope no nukes, but mundane DU counterweights, radioactive helicopter rotor blade sensor components, etc. The concern was protecting unauthorized people, adults or children and the environment in general, from uncontrolled exposures to sources of ionizing radiation. Decades old abandoned uranium mining sites remain an ongoing health and safety problem on U.S. public lands. Uranium mining waste contaminates water sources, pretty much forever.

  • @qui3041
    @qui3041 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love how this channel always listens to its community.

  • @manikumar-if4ri
    @manikumar-if4ri 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thanks for changing the story telling to older format

  • @lc2962
    @lc2962 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I’m not in aviation, but i really enjoy these videos. What I’ve noticed is how lax people get in every industry with the doldrums of daily work. But this can’t be, particularly in industries where it is critical to be always alert. I know this is an older incident, but we know it happens daily. Laziness & poor attitudes take over and then this happens. I hope aviation employers are always seeking ways to keep their workforce engaged and alert.

  • @Schrottkralle
    @Schrottkralle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    This one shows how important CRM is. And because of his Korean mentality the first officer didn't want to interfere with his 'superior' captain. R.I.P.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I think that the F.O. demonstrated his lack of experience and in my judgement, incompetence. The flight engineer should have been the F.O. for this flight.

    • @tbamagic
      @tbamagic 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Idiots at the controls

  • @micathedachshund5921
    @micathedachshund5921 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I was praying for the first officer to say something.

  • @johnalexander7490
    @johnalexander7490 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Yes thank you for no narration. Your Content Creations are superb! Love watching them :)

  • @iancurrie8844
    @iancurrie8844 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Could the captain not literally feel the bank at such an extreme angle?

    • @klocknerdeutz
      @klocknerdeutz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      If you don't have any visual cues you're 100% relying on your instruments. He probably felt weird but was taught to ignore those sensations and believe the instrument first.
      Look at the Prime 767, that went the other way...

    • @ImExcalibastard
      @ImExcalibastard 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Another thing that boggles my mind is how did the captain not notice that his ADI was unresponsive. 8:41 leads me to believe he was not using autopilot. How did he not realize his ADI wasnt responding after physically turning the yoke or whatever its called in the 747. Like was the internal thought process "hurr da durrr i guess ill keep steering until it shows what I expect". Idk man i aint a pilot but as a bus driver I definitely notice small little things wrong about my vehicle or notice gauge readouts that are not normal. If I had a huge computer screen in front of me I definitely would have noticed it wasnt reacting in the way I would have expected after physically and manually controlling the machine. Pls someone that knows more explain how the captain himself wouldnt have questioned it after handling the controls manually.

    • @Kelvin-ed6ce
      @Kelvin-ed6ce 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      probably exhaustion? number 1 problem in air crashes@@ImExcalibastard

  • @chuckg2016
    @chuckg2016 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I haven't been there as a pilot but find it hard to believe the pilot can't feel that much of an angle.

    • @dhart8451
      @dhart8451 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or see it out the window

    • @adsyuk1991
      @adsyuk1991 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Clouds

    • @BrianMorrison
      @BrianMorrison 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​​@@dhart8451Dark, open countryside around the airport and clouds at fairly low altitude. Crew were on instruments and the inexperienced FO did not react to his ADI showing the true attitude.

    • @chuckg2016
      @chuckg2016 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BrianMorrison
      Yep, that's what they said.

    • @ErhanDoesVR
      @ErhanDoesVR 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @chuckg2016, with respect, you are uneducated. When banking in a coordinated fashion g forces will always point "down" relative to the aircraft. I.e. you will not feel any "angles", regardless whether you find this fact hard to believe or not.

  • @erich930
    @erich930 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    For clarification, the aircraft depicted in the simulation is a 747-400F, the accident aircraft was a 747-200F.

  • @desdicadoric
    @desdicadoric 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    When you hear ‘sink rate’ ‘pull up’ you know it’s a bad day for someone. Being dark makes such a difference in these cases. A post it note on the ADI would have saved that plane SMH

  • @alpineinc1
    @alpineinc1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Just a quick comment regarding your exceptional videos and the discussion regarding narration vs. no narration. While the narrated videos are fine, the result is then they are similar to virtually every other aviation channel on YT. However, having the story unfold without a voiceover allows the viewer to immerse oneself into the experience, as if they were in the plane themselves (real life isn’t narrated), which I feel is the unique factor that allowed the channel to grow exponentially. The other is the deft use of the music, emotional but typically not over the top. Just my 2 cents, and keep up the great work.

    • @JaneSmith0709
      @JaneSmith0709 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I agree! One of the things I really love about this channel is the soft plane engine noise while I'm reading the story.

  • @b.t.356
    @b.t.356 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    It find it extremely frustrating that in addition to the crew not being notified about the ADI issue, the CRM didn't exist in this tragedy. An infuriating tragedy that could and should have been prevented.

  • @federicoprice2687
    @federicoprice2687 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    Thank you for this excellent report on a very sad (and preventable) accident. RIP to the crew.
    BTW, this is much better without the narration - tried, trusted and familiar works best !!! 🎉🎉 😊

  • @dieheiligenhallen5184
    @dieheiligenhallen5184 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Original Format rules 👍

  • @renferal5290
    @renferal5290 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    I recently told a couple pilots at LAX about your channel. I hope they watch it. You are so good at this. Very sad those people died over something that, if fixed properly, would not have.

    • @larrybe2900
      @larrybe2900 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Communication was at fault. They did have paper in 1999 to have left a note for the next crew if no verbal message was to be offered.
      This is the type of incident that DID NOT have to occur. This is the difference between flying in the day and at night even for experienced pilots. It sucks some of this kind of a mistake is not ever a learning experience.

    • @TrinaMillenheft-us4pb
      @TrinaMillenheft-us4pb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yrs

    • @TrinaMillenheft-us4pb
      @TrinaMillenheft-us4pb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Truly sad crash

    • @franciscopino5284
      @franciscopino5284 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      "Communication was at fault" is true, but it doesn't override the lack of airmanship nor the fact that in modern planes, 15.000 hours of experience don't turn a bad pilot in to a good one.

  • @junedarius254
    @junedarius254 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    First and foremost.... I absolutely loved the video... thank you for returning to the unique format that subscribers (including me) enjoy. Superior computer generated graphics of the scene with Zero details missing, followed by the flowing,soothing instrumental sounds accompanied with pitch and tones to
    Correlate perfectly to the video. The GOAT of all narrators (insert favorite narrator here) can't contribute to enhance TFC vids Thank you for staying with the style that brought TFC to the dance

  • @johannesbols57
    @johannesbols57 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It is truly a miracle there were no fatalities on the ground.

    • @isobel64
      @isobel64 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      40 people died

  • @micathedachshund5921
    @micathedachshund5921 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Voice or no voice, we love your content. Keep up the great work. Sad story RIP

  • @thatinventionsus
    @thatinventionsus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    CRM is so critical, yet time and again it's not done correctly. Cultural issue?

    • @lawrencekling8598
      @lawrencekling8598 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, maintenance crew haven't done the job properly and didn't replaced the faulty one.

    • @QuaintMelissaK
      @QuaintMelissaK 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Cultural issue in the cockpit. South Koreans are taught NOT to question the authority figure during their school days.

  • @skylineXpert
    @skylineXpert 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I remember watching it on tv, most of it got blamed on the culture in the cockpit.
    The first officer should have gone against his captain...

    • @skylineXpert
      @skylineXpert 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      furthermore there was a concern since It was a 747-200 that had depleted uranium in the tail...

  • @seldom1
    @seldom1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Yo love your videos man! Keep it up lad!

  • @markbrown7103
    @markbrown7103 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Yeah, I can’t see how anybody could survive a catastrophic crash like that. This is the best aviation channel on TH-cam. If you want to learn about aviation, watch this channel, you will learn a lot. I love the flight channel. It’s great I must say thank you all for all of your great videos. Have a great night.👍🏼👍🏼😁😁😎😎✈️🛩️

    • @JaredWJohnson-
      @JaredWJohnson- 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'd say mentour pilot is probably the best!

  • @davidfalzano3060
    @davidfalzano3060 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is my favorite channel on TH-cam. Just wanted to mention that not only is the animation incredible..but I think the music is classy & respectful to the victims in these tragedies.

  • @ericcriteser4001
    @ericcriteser4001 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for sharing. I like this classic format.

  • @arnosilent8991
    @arnosilent8991 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Greetings from Brazil🇧🇷

    • @johnbenjiebarnuevo1489
      @johnbenjiebarnuevo1489 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Hello From Philippines🇵🇭

    • @kinsley7777
      @kinsley7777 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@johnbenjiebarnuevo1489hello from California 🇺🇸

  • @l.faraday8767
    @l.faraday8767 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you for another great video, done in your original style which is so effective. 🇨🇦😎🇨🇦

  • @jiyushugi1085
    @jiyushugi1085 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Heading indicator will tell you if you're turning or not, as will the compass. Increasing numbers indicate a right turn, decreasing left. And if you move the yoke and the plane or instruments don't react as they should click on the AP and see if things straighten out. Still, can't believe that no one took the trouble to inform the pilot. Wonder if he looked at MX or flight log before starting engines?
    Back in the day a buddy of mine worked at a flight school in California that taught KAL pilots. "Don't fly with them," was all he said.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Kind of amazing that cultural norms cannot be breached in the eyes of certain death.

  • @luca2c
    @luca2c 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for return of text based videos. This channel is still the best on YT. I'm not kidding, it's the best.

  • @agamer4267
    @agamer4267 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    It was quite a shame that up to this point there are still crashes that occur which could be prevented if they were to have communicated the problem.

    • @user-ek1cs6dq6j
      @user-ek1cs6dq6j 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Which flight ✈️ plz

    • @kb_100
      @kb_100 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@user-ek1cs6dq6jAir Blue 202

  • @GudieveNing
    @GudieveNing 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I remember this happening, but didn't realise how close to a built up area it came down. Just a few hundred metres further in one direction and there could have been tens to 100s of casualties on the ground.

  • @Coldinwis
    @Coldinwis 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The way so many of these have pilots that see they’re gonna die yet don’t even speak up or try to stop it is so sad!

  • @mikemarkowski7609
    @mikemarkowski7609 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It is almost always a sequence of events that result in tragedy, not a single causal factor.

  • @GoldenMushroom64
    @GoldenMushroom64 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for going back to the captions

  • @bigticket9302
    @bigticket9302 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Even though the crew was unaware of the faulty ADI, there were so many opportunities to avoid the end result.

  • @watershed44
    @watershed44 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    If there were any doubts about communication between the offloading crew and the new relief crew I would have waited at the plane until the new crew arrived to make sure they knew about the issues and fully understood how to approach flying with that issue before I left the airport. Really horrible event.

  • @javie2064
    @javie2064 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Wow I never heard of this crash. RIP to the lives lost.

  • @morley3810
    @morley3810 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm sure this question shows my lack of knowledge about the situation, but I've wondered how the crew can't "feel" that the aircraft is banked over on its side? When I'm a passenger, I can always feel when a turn is initiated. What is the effect in play so that they can't feel it?

    • @concankid4202
      @concankid4202 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They were in the clouds and you can't feel a turn or if you do feel it you have no idea of which way you are turning or the angle of the turn. Spacial disorientation takes control of the mind and has caused many crashes..

  • @WitherPlayz2326
    @WitherPlayz2326 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Amazing work as always..never change and keep up the good content! (Also may the ones who lost their lives in this accident Rest in Peace)

    • @user-ek1cs6dq6j
      @user-ek1cs6dq6j 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tell me this flight number

    • @WitherPlayz2326
      @WitherPlayz2326 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Korean Air flight 8509, the aircraft involved in this accident was registered as HL7451

  • @edhawkins3797
    @edhawkins3797 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    How on earth did the 1st crew not notify the 2nd crew about the faulty ADI.... should NEVER happen

    • @edhawkins3797
      @edhawkins3797 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The lack of the 1st officer to say anything is also a big issue. Problem was easily solvable the 1st time around.. but for that 1st crew to not let them know is simply unacceptable

    • @O_79
      @O_79 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@edhawkins3797not the first crews responsibility to tell them face to face... they logged it remember 😅

  • @jacopofbargellini4005
    @jacopofbargellini4005 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    happy you came back to text and no voice
    love your channel

  • @WayneM1961
    @WayneM1961 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This was typical of Asian flights at this time. The young 1st officer must surely of noticed the discrepancy between his own instruments and that of his Captains, but because he was so much the junior he would not try and tell the captain he is making a mistake, and the flight engineers warning came too late. CRM was not practised or even taught at the time. I do find it strange though such an experienced captain did not respond to the aircraft's continual warnings of instrument discrepancy. Another sad story.

  • @aroopghosh1381
    @aroopghosh1381 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    ADI issue caused an Air India B747 to crash on Jan Jan 1st 1978 off the cost of Mumbai India.

  • @satianable
    @satianable 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Glad to see the old format back

  • @BrianMorrison
    @BrianMorrison 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I remember this crash well, it happened quite close to where I worked then. Luckily the impact was right next to a forested area with only one house close by, had the crash been into Bishops Stortford the death toll would likely have been much greater.
    The 747 in question had depleted uranium aileron mass balance weights, these broke up and burned leading to contamination of the crash site and a big clear up operation.
    All the captain needed to do was switch the ADI input switch to the no 2 INU, but for whatever reason he didn't although the captain on the inbound flight did but then switched it back after landing.

  • @airplanespotter117
    @airplanespotter117 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    ✈️🛩️So sad😢. Love the animations and music though!❤

  • @pratikrijal5418
    @pratikrijal5418 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    this is just awesome !!!!!...........without narration keeps the video too intact !!!!....just loved it ......please please please dont put the narration..........

  • @nadarfa9413
    @nadarfa9413 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can't wait for prigozhin's plane.

  • @luuduonghy659
    @luuduonghy659 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    CONCLUSION AFTER THIS CASE
    -For the plane, everything must be perfect because even one smallest problem could cause a mega disaster.
    -Pilot need to had good teamwork's, good concentration and good ability to recognize the problem. These factors are the most important factors to solve all the plane problem.

  • @JohninRosc
    @JohninRosc 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent video - many thanks. I recall this tragic accident very well as I was living close to Stansted at the time. Rest In Peace all the deceased.

  • @OfficialSamuelC
    @OfficialSamuelC 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    No narration, woo! Great video!

  • @misawajason
    @misawajason 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    KAL really had a bad run of CRM issues there for awhile. Guess it took a few 74's to CFIT before they decided to do something.
    Another great video @TheFlightChannel Love watching your content, even when I'm well aware of the incident.

    • @K1OIK
      @K1OIK 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      CRM?

    • @misawajason
      @misawajason 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Crew Resource Management. In the case of this KAL crash and the one in Guam, the first officers didn't question the captain at all. @@K1OIK

    • @K1OIK
      @K1OIK 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@misawajason What did you do with the time you saved not typing rew esource anagement? Do you realize not every viewer of this channel is not a Sully like you. I doubt if Sully were here, he would be so hip and cool as you. using aircraft acronyms. He would understand as smart as he is, he would not try to show up others using terms like CVR,CRM, GA. EFB, TOGA, FO. But you are not him you need to prove what you know.
      That type of person is known as a know it all or smart ass.

  • @heyitsbinx5452
    @heyitsbinx5452 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I personally like voiceovers because i like to listen to crash documentaries while cleaning 😂

  • @wkgurr
    @wkgurr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I thought that it is customary for pilots to check the technical log of the plane when they take over the plane. Furthermore it seems that the ground engineer who attempted to fix the INS problem was also on board this flight. Overall this crew didn't seem to care very much for their lives otherwise they would have acted more circumspectly and perhaps been able to resort to proper CRM in the face of imminent danger. If I'm the pilot monitoring and I see that the pilot flying is flying the plane into the ground I will take over because I want to survive regardless of the seniority of the pilot who screws up.

  • @Taladar2003
    @Taladar2003 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I don't understand why the focus is so much on CRM here. Shouldn't the captain at the very least notice that his indicator does not agree with his control input and stop further control inputs until he has figured out which of the two isn't working even without any other crew or ADIs getting involved?

    • @gort8203
      @gort8203 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes. He seems to have lacked basic instrument flying skills. Thousands of hours watching the autopilot fly seems to have allowed him forget how to do it himself.

  • @strokenumber3
    @strokenumber3 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Original text format, great.

  • @RipRoaringGarage
    @RipRoaringGarage 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This makes me go back to my jet. It also had a faulty GINS (like INS but based of GPS hence the G in the acronym). The damn thing would always throw codes and the solution was....
    Kicking it. No joke. I must have kicked it so many times and then it would work. It would be fine until shut down, then need a kick. We never figured out what was wrong with it, and not until depot, was the whole unit replaced. But, at least every crew was aware of it, and knew what to do in case of fault attitude indication. Stuff like this that sometimes makes me wonder, if just a post it note left on the yoke wouldnt have prevented it.
    This was USAF (and back then things were different. War time, priority was the mission regardless of risk. That jet had to fly). For civilian use, there is no cargo worth your life, or others lives. Find a way to let the other guy know or something. Glad at least by now, CRM is far more effective, though Asian carriers still have a bit too much fear for senrior flght cew. RIP crew.

    • @watershed44
      @watershed44 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @RipRoaringGarage
      BAM! This is what makes me sick about this incident. A simple post it left for the inbound crew might have saved them! I really think there was possibly a callousness between crews for some reason. I can't understand why no one did this. Heck I personally would have waited at the gate to talk to the inbound crew to inform the capt and FO about the issue and how to address flying with it.

    • @RipRoaringGarage
      @RipRoaringGarage 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@watershed44 Waiting might not work. They have hours and mandatory crew rest, that prevents them from being near the plane. And since the MX guy was set to fly out, they assumed the outgoing crew would be told.
      But, thats the big ball drop, the MX guy ASSUMED his crew chiefs did a proper repair. Being a former crew chief, we were called knuckle draggers, dumb animals, grease monkeys for a reason. You had to be hard on us to get the job done.
      We didnt lose a single bird over dumb things like this. Yukla27 RIP, they did the right thing and paid the ultimate price. But others? Balls 8 was scrapped because of a dumb pilot. They almost died in Vegas over bad management putting a very VERY green captain in charge (I think he didnt have 4 digit flying hours).
      I dont know the Capt's attitude here, but I suspect he may have been a bit of a hard ass and scared the crap out of the FO, enough that he died. THere was a Pakistani Airline iirc that went down similarly.
      But, this is why we do CRM, and more so, it spread to so many other industries. So, not all in vain, and best we can do is not forget.

  • @irishrover4658
    @irishrover4658 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very good job!!

  • @giraffesinc.2193
    @giraffesinc.2193 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Friend, I hope you cover the Prigozhin crash when you are able to do so. Thank you for your amazing channel!

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cause of death, Putin. Other souls involved, collateral damage. How many more people need to die before we do something about him?

  • @maheshkumar6781
    @maheshkumar6781 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks for no voice over. I like without narration..

  • @matthewcoleman1919
    @matthewcoleman1919 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    When you say that the outbound crew was "never made aware" of the ADI fault, do you mean that it was erased from the logbook, somehow?

  • @nigelbritton964
    @nigelbritton964 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video without the voice over and unlike the Convair 340 video this Boeing 747 has the correct number of engines.

  • @watershed44
    @watershed44 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    *Why didn't the offloading crew leave warning on the equipment for the inbound crew!?!?
    Unbelievable, and inexcusable. I wouldn't care if I had to wait for the next crew members to arrive at the plane. I would have made 100% sure that they fully understood the issue before the plane left the gate*

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I wonder if that issue was raised in the post mortem investigation.

  • @kolasillers7776
    @kolasillers7776 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you .

  • @Pablo668
    @Pablo668 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Incredible.

  • @Sladep123
    @Sladep123 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wow, that is crazy. Just a simple Styrofoam cup of water or coffee in the cockpit would have shown the ongoing bank angle and how severe the problem was becoming.

  • @ninodumdum842
    @ninodumdum842 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the Captain should have noticed that the heading was changing significantly despite of his ADI Displaying no bank.

  • @qg3726
    @qg3726 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Talk about Communication Breakdown, this one was above & beyond unacceptable..

  • @PTS8
    @PTS8 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    what game is that? Excellent video!

  • @subhamghosh7086
    @subhamghosh7086 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very good

  • @Arenaoftulen825
    @Arenaoftulen825 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video

  • @z_singh
    @z_singh 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey tfc, just wondering, how come you dont use the actual 747-100 and -200 variants in your videos anymore? I remeber you used to have them in your old vids

  • @globalnomad450
    @globalnomad450 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The origins of this accident can be traced back 200 years…

  • @flybywire5866
    @flybywire5866 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Total crew failure ,and the handover of the plane a total failure too. Accidents are always a chain of events, not a single event. However, if you bank 90°, you literally sit on the armrest. Is this not noticeable?

  • @hachimaru295
    @hachimaru295 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I thought flight crew read the tech log to see if anything was reported and worked on pre- flight ?
    where was the write up from the ground crew mitigating the issue wasnt worked on (not that it would have been read )

  • @cazman2580
    @cazman2580 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great watch...the animated walk up the steps to plane...floating😃 on air...did the captain really have a limp..if there was ever a see something same something moment...

  • @roberthagedorn290
    @roberthagedorn290 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The same ground flight engineer that was told about the malfunctioning ADI on the captain's side of the cockpit when the aircraft landed earlier then boarded the aircraft for a flight he would be on as a passenger. But he said nothing about the defective ADI? Huh? He must have assumed repair had been made.

  • @bubbleglass
    @bubbleglass 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Maybe the first officer was afraid to challenge the captain (cultural norms)? If so, it cost 4 lives.

  • @samdavidowicz
    @samdavidowicz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi. When the final report is out could you do the crash of the Broward County Sheriff helicopter?

  • @brownhat1290
    @brownhat1290 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sadly, another "Not my job" situation causes a tragedy.

  • @mattwall7736
    @mattwall7736 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    What the hell was the first officer doing? It’s his job to monitor the instruments

    • @echo_soldier
      @echo_soldier 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      If he did see the issue, he was too afraid to speak up. Its the mentality of "the captain knows what he's doing, I'm new and inexperienced." Bad CRM has brought down planes before, I remember one where the captain basically berated the officer in the beginning of the flight. The officer then was too afraid to speak up when everything went wrong

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@echo_soldier Air India.

  • @glados_boatman
    @glados_boatman 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is why 74 Gear says, "Keep the blue side up". >.

  • @TML34
    @TML34 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    How can you not feel the bank angle? A lot of things went wrong, but ultimately the pilots have to have the situational awareness to recognize the obvious.

    • @vividthespis
      @vividthespis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very easy to have your body lie to you without visual reference outside. Or working instruments. Its not obvious at all. Especially in the air. Your eyes and body will tell you that you are right side up when really you are upside down feeling 1g so you can't tell and you are heading to the ground.

  • @ossiemac
    @ossiemac 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I wonder if these two pilots had flown together before and there was a toxic environment? Can't see any other reason for the captains silence?

  • @user-hm2tf3wv8s
    @user-hm2tf3wv8s 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Will you please do a reconstruction of the Prigozhin Embraer Legacy 600 plane crash