Hi Dave. I can see how much you love this stove and I have to to admit it’s the now the stove I’ve been using a lot lately. But only with the gas canister. I just don’t think the liquid fuel is my cup of tea. I did learn though that I’ve not been using mine as per the instructions. I did the man thing 😂. I thought inverting the canister was just for colder weather or if you were running low on gas. I’ve not had any issues but I guess the instructions are there for a reason. I’ll be changing my ways in future. Thanks for another informative video and nice insight into the new Soto products. 👍🏻
Hi Paul, I mucked up too and had a bit of a flare up.... consider having another go at home with the liquid fuel, getting the pressure right etc. Then for mega cold weather it will give great performance . I guess for me though it's with starting on primuses in scouts. You will have seen I have changed the original video title and will trim to erase all mention of you . Ha! Thanks for commenting, I made this just for you!
@@Fellmandave1 no need to change the title and video Dave. It started at debate. We both have our preferences and got them across. I’ve made the mistakes myself of making judgement on peoples kit but who am I to say what works for them. We are the the only people that can say what works and what doesn’t for ourselves. Cheers 👍🏻
In reality you change what+when with the stove choice. Gas being simple+fast tends to get aligned with a sit and quick-cook method, Trangia+meths 27 tends to end up start cooking slowly while pitching tent method. You adapt to all stoves, in this case it's just practice and get familiar. I'd not want to get into "which is best" stove as what's best is you are familiar any of them. Currently using a Fire Maple Blade 2 remote with pre-heat with inverted canister for cold weather fast cooking. Not saying that's best, just simple. Ironically in winter meths tends to regain it's benefits as you're more time in your tent with time and more brews.
@@Fellmandave1Aspen alkylate is what the Norwegians use....burns really clean....no noxious fumes, your gear keeps cleaner. That is from a Norwegian who uses it in his primus omnifuel every day. It is available in Britain.
I just bought the Storm Breaker and it's awesome. After its warmed up and running for a few minutes if you shut it off and relight it it simmers real low. I was using the butane canister. I like how quite it is and burns clean with no black soot on your hands. I bought it lightly used for $120 with a big bottle and medium bottle, windscreen, butane adapter, carry bag, spare parts, it is missing the heat shield underneath but I can get one easy. Pretty cool little stove. I have the Coleman 508 duel fuel stove also. And the Wisperlight and etc....etc...lol
I've been cycle touring for 20 off years... Always used the primus Omni fuel with paraffin as I found gas too expensive and hardware stores always stock parrafin. The hose broke a few days before I was heading to France and didn't have time to get a new hose, so i had to rush out and get a 2nd Omni fuel..... More recently I've been cycle touring with someone else, so have been eating more camp cuisine than "food is fuel" and converted to the Trangia 25. I really enjoyed the quietness of the alcohol stove but it goes through meths quite quickly even with a 1.5 litre fuel bottle so on the last trip I was constantly having to buy meths to keep the trangia going. I've recently converted my original Omni fuel to fit in the Trangia with a trangia burner cup. Combined with a Bernie Dawg silent cap it definitely is quieter and has more control for simmering..... Somehow I've also ended up with 2 Optimus polaris (one also with a spare Bernie dawg silencer, an unfolded Optimus can also fit in a trangia) mainly because you don't have to change the jets and it has a cleaning needle..... I also do enjoy the dull man's thrill of getting the multifuel stove to optimum temperature/flame with the pre heating etc.... But at the same time I'm liking the fact you don't have to with the soto.... It seems precious to me.... I want one..... And it sound quiet. Look out Dave. Multifuel stoves are more addictive than prescription pain killers.....
@@Fellmandave1 already seen it Dave. I'm a subscriber, with the reminder switched on (very rare for me) Maybe it's your sense of humour. Didn't see tent fish in the video. Story indeed.... It's the dull man in me. Did I ever mention my beige corduroy trousers ...
What is it about stoves? It’s taking a lot of self-discipline to watch these videos without spending loads of money immediately afterwards. I can see why SOTO have sent you goodies.
Sorry about that dafty! Indeed there is a certain magic, all little boys love playing with matches though eh. Jost get yourself one, it will make you happy, guaranteed. 😎
Hi Dave, I do like liquid fuel stoves and I have had a primus for many many years. The big plus point for me is knowing you're leaving for a trip with a full fuel bottle as well as the relatively low cost of the fuel. With my primus multi fuel I can recommend using Aspen4 petrol which is very clean and sold for lawnmowers, I believe panel wipe fast is also very good but I can't give my opinion as I have used it for a substantial time.
I love liquid fuel stoves but haven’t using them much over the years because of the hassle of startup, this stove definitely makes the process so easy and clean
Great review Dave ! we all love stoves food comes to mind , what can we cook such a versatile stove .Biggest regret throwing my dads brass primus stove out with all the accessories and his tilley lamp when I was a lad things you do !
Looking at getting a Stormbreaker myself. Still deciding between that and offerings from MSR. I am starting to love Soto as a brand, they just put out amazing products.
👍👍👍 .. good post. 'User Manuals' .. yep 😏. In the Mining Industry, I learned the term 'Use the RFM Function' (specifically aimed at then, 'these new-fangled hand-held scientific calculators' and when nothing seemed to work as it should) .. 'RFM' standing for, Read the Flipping Manual! 😁. Although, for effect, a stronger term than 'flipping' was the order of the day 😏. The RFM applies equally effectively to most else too. Best taken as 'Step One' before all else .. 'Fiddly' and Convenient'. I am a 'Boomer' (YOB 1950) .. so having to 'make an effort / now-perceived inconvenience' was never an issue in my early days .. or now. Liquid Fuel Stoves. I have an Optimus 8R 'Hunter' Petrol Stove (a cousin of the Optimus 123 Stove .. same burner mechanism) which I bought back in the late 70's. Just yesterday, the first 'dry' day in a while, I took a train to the neighbouring town and walked back home through the forest that connects the two villages. On the way back, I rustled up a breakfast of Oats and Coffee on the Optimus. Yep, I have a soft spot for liquid fuel stoves 😊. That Soto Liquid / Gas Combo looks to be a pretty nice little stove. Pity that my budget does not stretch far enough to think about getting one or something similar. However, one can dream. Thanks for sharing .. take care ..
I’ve got the Soto Muka and I love it, I think it’s a far simpler petrol stove to use than most - that priming thing you have to do with lots of stoves, setting ya kit on fire prior to using it seems a bit daft to me. I’ve got a Svea 123 which I love, but recently I realised that it’s a bit of a faff because once it cools down you have to re prime it - where as the Soto you just stop it mid flight, eat your food, then think right I’m ready for a hot chocolate now and re light it. Thanks for the review, enjoyed watching it 👍
@@Fellmandave1 I guess it’s pretty much the same as the stormbreaker, the pump looks the same. You can get them from Japan, and parts are available in the uk. I’ve had to fashion up 3 long pegs as a pot stand so as to allow me to simmer better. But apart from that I think Soto make great stoves and kit 👍
Technically speaking, the windscreen is upside-down. The notch is for the pot (or cup) handles. Also, the broader the diameter of the pot bottom, the more efficiently any stove performs, and boil times are reduced. Excellent real-world review! Thanks.
Wider pot - yes if you can control the wind it is more fuel efficient and more stable. I find I need two pots one for food one for drink so nest some of the more delicate food/cooking items inside the Toaks 550 103mm into the Toaks 700 and carry the fuel separate. Was this a 1-nighter? As I remember your video on tinned food being similar weight to a freezedried meal but significantly cheaper?
Re. point 4 in the description: does it help if you pre-warm the expansion tube with the pocket torch before lighting the stove? Or is that just an inefficient use of gas (thinking that the stove's start mode warms it much more quickly)?
I use Petrol stoves out of necessity.. I live in the Scottish Highlands and generally camp high, gas simply does not perform unless it's summer. Petrol is zero faff and works perfectly every time. Can also repair it on the fly as everything comes apart. Takes a bit of getting used to, priming and all that, but you get used to it. I like Optimus as you can flip the bottle and remove the pressure etc.. so no fuel spew when disconnecting. If I have to I use it in my vestibule, just need to pay attention to what you're doing.
Exactly Mark. I have just got back from a Scottish weekend wild camping. I had to warm the gas canister in my hands to get any power at just -1. When people winter camp in the UK I don't understand the preponderance of gas. Perhaps the sensible people aren't youtubers!
@@Fellmandave1 agree, there is a big difference between TH-cam vs reality. Most folk I know use geodesic 4 pole tents, petrol stoves and 100+ litre rucksacks, but you don't see much of that on TH-cam really.
@@Fellmandave1 not really for me to judge anyone, but your Cairngorm summit camp with your son was really good, I watched it last night. Lots of planning and logistics go into big winter excursions like that, which I appreciate. No idea how you manage to film, but I'm glad you do!
Oh yeah - I’ve just bought an MSR 1.3l ceramic pot - I’m normally a bit of a weight watcher, but I want to cook more one pot meals and do fry ups when camping. I have a small frying pan I normally take but so far the MSR ceramic pot has been really good, very non-stick, so I can ditch the frying pan and just take my MSR pot. And as you said, because it’s a wider pot it fits on the stove better and is more stable. 👍
The Soto's titanium cookware is outdated. Nowadays, there is plenty of Chinese titanium pots that not only have regular handles that Soto's are missing but also bail handles that allow for even more versatility. Soto needs to keep up to be competitive.
the cosy though makes it more complete. i find SOTO's products generally to be very well though out. Which model do you have in mind and what is the weight?
liquid fuel might contain more energy/weight, but equal boils seem to use about the same number of grams, regardless fuel (approximately 9g per boil, regardless petrol, isobutane or alcohol)?
@GrzegorzMazur75 Thank you for your comment, the translation is'You're fit to grate horseradish, man.' Not sure if this is a Polish complement or insult! Either way, thanks for watching!
WRONG. The Stormbreaker needs to be pumped much more than the usual white fuel stoves. This is clearly indicated in the working instructions and by actual use.
Hi Dave. I can see how much you love this stove and I have to to admit it’s the now the stove I’ve been using a lot lately. But only with the gas canister. I just don’t think the liquid fuel is my cup of tea. I did learn though that I’ve not been using mine as per the instructions. I did the man thing 😂. I thought inverting the canister was just for colder weather or if you were running low on gas. I’ve not had any issues but I guess the instructions are there for a reason. I’ll be changing my ways in future. Thanks for another informative video and nice insight into the new Soto products. 👍🏻
Hi Paul, I mucked up too and had a bit of a flare up.... consider having another go at home with the liquid fuel, getting the pressure right etc. Then for mega cold weather it will give great performance . I guess for me though it's with starting on primuses in scouts. You will have seen I have changed the original video title and will trim to erase all mention of you . Ha! Thanks for commenting, I made this just for you!
@@Fellmandave1 no need to change the title and video Dave. It started at debate. We both have our preferences and got them across. I’ve made the mistakes myself of making judgement on peoples kit but who am I to say what works for them. We are the the only people that can say what works and what doesn’t for ourselves.
Cheers 👍🏻
In reality you change what+when with the stove choice. Gas being simple+fast tends to get aligned with a sit and quick-cook method, Trangia+meths 27 tends to end up start cooking slowly while pitching tent method. You adapt to all stoves, in this case it's just practice and get familiar. I'd not want to get into "which is best" stove as what's best is you are familiar any of them. Currently using a Fire Maple Blade 2 remote with pre-heat with inverted canister for cold weather fast cooking. Not saying that's best, just simple. Ironically in winter meths tends to regain it's benefits as you're more time in your tent with time and more brews.
Well said GFY
@@Fellmandave1Aspen alkylate is what the Norwegians use....burns really clean....no noxious fumes, your gear keeps cleaner. That is from a Norwegian who uses it in his primus omnifuel every day. It is available in Britain.
I just bought the Storm Breaker and it's awesome. After its warmed up and running for a few minutes if you shut it off and relight it it simmers real low. I was using the butane canister. I like how quite it is and burns clean with no black soot on your hands. I bought it lightly used for $120 with a big bottle and medium bottle, windscreen, butane adapter, carry bag, spare parts, it is missing the heat shield underneath but I can get one easy. Pretty cool little stove. I have the Coleman 508 duel fuel stove also. And the Wisperlight and etc....etc...lol
Wow,, that is a bargain! Glad you like it Rob. Thanks for sharing.
I've been cycle touring for 20 off years... Always used the primus Omni fuel with paraffin as I found gas too expensive and hardware stores always stock parrafin. The hose broke a few days before I was heading to France and didn't have time to get a new hose, so i had to rush out and get a 2nd Omni fuel.....
More recently I've been cycle touring with someone else, so have been eating more camp cuisine than "food is fuel" and converted to the Trangia 25. I really enjoyed the quietness of the alcohol stove but it goes through meths quite quickly even with a 1.5 litre fuel bottle so on the last trip I was constantly having to buy meths to keep the trangia going.
I've recently converted my original Omni fuel to fit in the Trangia with a trangia burner cup. Combined with a Bernie Dawg silent cap it definitely is quieter and has more control for simmering.....
Somehow I've also ended up with 2 Optimus polaris (one also with a spare Bernie dawg silencer, an unfolded Optimus can also fit in a trangia) mainly because you don't have to change the jets and it has a cleaning needle.....
I also do enjoy the dull man's thrill of getting the multifuel stove to optimum temperature/flame with the pre heating etc.... But at the same time I'm liking the fact you don't have to with the soto.... It seems precious to me.... I want one..... And it sound quiet.
Look out Dave. Multifuel stoves are more addictive than prescription pain killers.....
Hi Damian, look at my original review on this. I have been feeding this habit for 48 years!
Thanks for the story!
@@Fellmandave1 already seen it Dave. I'm a subscriber, with the reminder switched on (very rare for me) Maybe it's your sense of humour. Didn't see tent fish in the video.
Story indeed.... It's the dull man in me. Did I ever mention my beige corduroy trousers ...
What is it about stoves? It’s taking a lot of self-discipline to watch these videos without spending loads of money immediately afterwards. I can see why SOTO have sent you goodies.
Sorry about that dafty! Indeed there is a certain magic, all little boys love playing with matches though eh.
Jost get yourself one, it will make you happy, guaranteed. 😎
@@Fellmandave1 es ist Magie! 👍😁
Hi Dave, I do like liquid fuel stoves and I have had a primus for many many years. The big plus point for me is knowing you're leaving for a trip with a full fuel bottle as well as the relatively low cost of the fuel. With my primus multi fuel I can recommend using Aspen4 petrol which is very clean and sold for lawnmowers, I believe panel wipe fast is also very good but I can't give my opinion as I have used it for a substantial time.
I love liquid fuel stoves but haven’t using them much over the years because of the hassle of startup, this stove definitely makes the process so easy and clean
Definitely Eddie
Great review Dave ! we all love stoves food comes to mind , what can we cook such a versatile stove .Biggest regret throwing my dads brass primus stove out with all the accessories and his tilley lamp when I was a lad things you do !
That's tragic. Get yourself one as a tribute.
Looking at getting a Stormbreaker myself. Still deciding between that and offerings from MSR. I am starting to love Soto as a brand, they just put out amazing products.
Its a great combo of engineering, form and ease. Enjoy!
👍👍👍 .. good post.
'User Manuals' .. yep 😏.
In the Mining Industry, I learned the term 'Use the RFM Function' (specifically aimed at then, 'these new-fangled hand-held scientific calculators' and when nothing seemed to work as it should) .. 'RFM' standing for, Read the Flipping Manual! 😁. Although, for effect, a stronger term than 'flipping' was the order of the day 😏. The RFM applies equally effectively to most else too. Best taken as 'Step One' before all else ..
'Fiddly' and Convenient'. I am a 'Boomer' (YOB 1950) .. so having to 'make an effort / now-perceived inconvenience' was never an issue in my early days .. or now.
Liquid Fuel Stoves. I have an Optimus 8R 'Hunter' Petrol Stove (a cousin of the Optimus 123 Stove .. same burner mechanism) which I bought back in the late 70's. Just yesterday, the first 'dry' day in a while, I took a train to the neighbouring town and walked back home through the forest that connects the two villages. On the way back, I rustled up a breakfast of Oats and Coffee on the Optimus. Yep, I have a soft spot for liquid fuel stoves 😊.
That Soto Liquid / Gas Combo looks to be a pretty nice little stove. Pity that my budget does not stretch far enough to think about getting one or something similar. However, one can dream.
Thanks for sharing .. take care ..
I’ve got the Soto Muka and I love it, I think it’s a far simpler petrol stove to use than most - that priming thing you have to do with lots of stoves, setting ya kit on fire prior to using it seems a bit daft to me. I’ve got a Svea 123 which I love, but recently I realised that it’s a bit of a faff because once it cools down you have to re prime it - where as the Soto you just stop it mid flight, eat your food, then think right I’m ready for a hot chocolate now and re light it. Thanks for the review, enjoyed watching it 👍
Thanks buddy, sadly the muka is discontinued. Would have liked to try it.
@@Fellmandave1 I guess it’s pretty much the same as the stormbreaker, the pump looks the same. You can get them from Japan, and parts are available in the uk. I’ve had to fashion up 3 long pegs as a pot stand so as to allow me to simmer better. But apart from that I think Soto make great stoves and kit 👍
@twowheeledadventuresuk2739 yes I agree. I have the stormbreaker and other sotos
Technically speaking, the windscreen is upside-down. The notch is for the pot (or cup) handles. Also, the broader the diameter of the pot bottom, the more efficiently any stove performs, and boil times are reduced.
Excellent real-world review! Thanks.
Thanks for the info! But have a look at gearskeptic on pan efficiency. The wider the pan the faster it loses heat too.
Got to love liquid fuel stoves for cold weather camping. I've been using my msr dragonfly and Simmerlite for over 20 years 🔥 🏕️ 🇨🇦 ❄️
On board with you there, my friend .
Wider pot - yes if you can control the wind it is more fuel efficient and more stable. I find I need two pots one for food one for drink so nest some of the more delicate food/cooking items inside the Toaks 550 103mm into the Toaks 700 and carry the fuel separate.
Was this a 1-nighter? As I remember your video on tinned food being similar weight to a freezedried meal but significantly cheaper?
Got me there G. Just did not have any got tins to hand this time. Thanks for the tips and comment. ATB, Dave
Re. point 4 in the description: does it help if you pre-warm the expansion tube with the pocket torch before lighting the stove? Or is that just an inefficient use of gas (thinking that the stove's start mode warms it much more quickly)?
I would not recommend doing this, the stoves system is effcient and doing something like this could have dangerous results.
I use Petrol stoves out of necessity.. I live in the Scottish Highlands and generally camp high, gas simply does not perform unless it's summer. Petrol is zero faff and works perfectly every time. Can also repair it on the fly as everything comes apart. Takes a bit of getting used to, priming and all that, but you get used to it. I like Optimus as you can flip the bottle and remove the pressure etc.. so no fuel spew when disconnecting. If I have to I use it in my vestibule, just need to pay attention to what you're doing.
Exactly Mark. I have just got back from a Scottish weekend wild camping. I had to warm the gas canister in my hands to get any power at just -1. When people winter camp in the UK I don't understand the preponderance of gas. Perhaps the sensible people aren't youtubers!
@@Fellmandave1 agree, there is a big difference between TH-cam vs reality. Most folk I know use geodesic 4 pole tents, petrol stoves and 100+ litre rucksacks, but you don't see much of that on TH-cam really.
@KramF10 reality check. Well, I hope you think I am the real deal not some wifty wofty content creator!
@@Fellmandave1 not really for me to judge anyone, but your Cairngorm summit camp with your son was really good, I watched it last night. Lots of planning and logistics go into big winter excursions like that, which I appreciate. No idea how you manage to film, but I'm glad you do!
Oh yeah - I’ve just bought an MSR 1.3l ceramic pot - I’m normally a bit of a weight watcher, but I want to cook more one pot meals and do fry ups when camping. I have a small frying pan I normally take but so far the MSR ceramic pot has been really good, very non-stick, so I can ditch the frying pan and just take my MSR pot. And as you said, because it’s a wider pot it fits on the stove better and is more stable. 👍
Thanks Iwill have a look for that.have youseen my cold stove video?
@@Fellmandave1 no, will look it up 👍
I like how this stove primes. Similar to the old and new Coleman white gas stoves. No soot is a good thing.
Cheers dude.
Ive got to admit im a bit of a soto fan
that rolls of the tongue nicely, SOTOFAN
I love their extendatron lighter. Really handy for Trangias.
Dr Who sonic screwdriver lookylikey
Ya forgot to mention, that drinking whiskey while cooking inside the vestibule is another no no. Take it from me! :o)
Aye, it's the incident pit!
Oh❗ it is🔥 small world🎉♫
The Soto's titanium cookware is outdated. Nowadays, there is plenty of Chinese titanium pots that not only have regular handles that Soto's are missing but also bail handles that allow for even more versatility. Soto needs to keep up to be competitive.
the cosy though makes it more complete. i find SOTO's products generally to be very well though out. Which model do you have in mind and what is the weight?
liquid fuel might contain more energy/weight, but equal boils seem to use about the same number of grams, regardless fuel (approximately 9g per boil, regardless petrol, isobutane or alcohol)?
Hi, have a look at the soto vs cold video, more on there. Cheers
When you say "petrol" do you really mean Shellite? Thats what I burn anyway...
I mean in this instance white gas. Petrol would be unleaded gasoline. Cheers
Ty się nadajesz chłopie do tarcia chrzanu 😆😂😂😂😂😆
@GrzegorzMazur75 Thank you for your comment, the translation is'You're fit to grate horseradish, man.' Not sure if this is a Polish complement or insult! Either way, thanks for watching!
Dude stop pumping. A few pumps is more than enough.
Sounds like a good country and western song.
I tried explaining that to my gf!!
Hahaha
WRONG. The Stormbreaker needs to be pumped much more than the usual white fuel stoves. This is clearly indicated in the working instructions and by actual use.