It's a dumb line though considering this whole story is butterfly effect warning. How do they know the Nazi party wouldn't have instead gotten a leader who just decided to wait out the winter. That's why Red Alert writers were big brain they at least gave it some thought beyond "tiny mustache man bad".
@@Sifer2 I always saw it as Thawne just continuing to mock Barry. He knows that actions like killing Hitler would have unforeseen consequences. But again, his whole argument against Barry is that he was both too ignorant to foresee such consequences and was too selfish when he chose saving his mother as the one thing to do when going back in time. As the Flash, a member of the Justice League who embody hope, one could easily imaging a great number of changes to history that could be done with the intentions of making the world a better place. But what does Barry do? He goes back in time to save his mommy. A selfish action, that only benefitted himself and put others at risk.
@@100percentNotaBot that's doctor zoom more but DC sometimes act like there inter changeable so his motivation being that is believe but why try kill him in flashpoint
@@absolutecarnage777 zoom to Barry remember that when you had the runs but ran out of toilet paper that was me. Cold remember when you couldn't find your cold gun checked the entire house and it is was in your pocket I moved into your pocket.
Eobard Thawne: "I weave my way through time like the _finest stitching_ on an _exquisite_ tapestry of _quantum probabilities"_ Barry Allen: *Haha. Speedforce go brrrrtt*
I like this idea- maybe Superman can still see with his x-ray vision or something, but flashpoint superman hasn't learned how to use his powers in tandem.
It could be true the Superman cannot see during heat vision, but could still track people with super hearing. If the guy can hear anyone's heartbeat, with experience he could track people without seeing them. Also I guess x-ray vision, but scientifically x-ray vision would be blocked by high frequency photons.
From Thawne's narration, it wasn't Thomas Wayne that influenced his choice. It was Superman still trying to save him, despite him being, well, THAWNE. Which is why he had a change of heart and tried to create a better universe in the end.
To be honest, this story was dark, but it kinda ended on a positive note. The only real issue is that it depends on Reverse Flash wanting to remain positive
Not exactly. It's a single universe that keeps changing over and over again every time Eobard runs back in time and alters the past. Every time Eobard alters the past, a new version of history overwrites the previous version of this universe's history.
@@praveenvijeyakumar741have you heard the river analogy for time travel? Each time he time travels he splits the stream. Each stream is technically a unique earth. The only difference between that and parallel earths is the streams will end up merging every time the choice made is forgotten by history.
@@ked49 That's not how it works for Eobard Thawne though. Consider his OG beef in the OG timeline already has him killing Barry's mom. Nora's death should NOT have a been considered a natural death seen within the universe, but it was. He was a time traveler himself who changed what had happened, yet Nora Allen's death is STILL considered main timeline in the main universe. Barry Allen often creates multiple timelines when HE does it, but Eobard Thawne can alter the main universe, main timeline. Barry Allen's mom SUPPOSED to be dying like that is already proof of his ability. Within this Darkmultiverse story, Tempus Fuginaut has already said what he was doing within a single universe, living between the infinities, writing history over and over altering small details everywhere.
Some questions to help with determining Superman's vision is "What does the anatomy of the superman eye look like?" and "What is the mechanism that releases the energy?
Well it's all fantasy anyway so you can just make up a fan theory. I would guess that since Superman's body can absorb large quantities of solar energy/electricity his powers come from being able to release it in various ways. Eyes absorb light but maybe his can also reflect it back out. Really the frost breath makes less sense to me.
If someone find this to lengthy forgive me @@Sifer2 what you said about heat vision is right , Superman being born on a red Sun can able to metabolise radiation from yellow star (sun) and able to store it use it as a fuel . That's why Superman was in regeneration matrix in THE DEATH OF SUPERMAN . I guess in comics that Superman can control his heat vision since he is shown to use heat vision invisible to naked eye enabling to use it without being caught as kal-el . Therefore i would say maybe like a camera when a text is clicked with torch on the photo is too bright and nothing (text) is visible , similarly when Superman uses heat vision uncontrollably he would has to guess where his target would move since it would be too bright for his eyes to see . But if he can use X Ray vision( which i don't understand since if we consider it emits some sort of radiation like X Ray there must be a receiver which must receive radiation emitted by his eyes , behind the object/place the target be would like to scan to form any images ) while using heat vision he maybe able to see . As for as freeze breathe it expands on a scientific principle that compressed air when speedily pushed through a restricted opening rapidly reduces the overall temperature of the burst. Many say that since gravity is high in Krypton than on earth , Superman's flight is actually thanks to low gravity combined with radiation absorbtion from yellow Sun .
Wait...if there’s a Flashpoint in the Dark Multiverse, which is a Crisis, does that mean there is a cluster of multiverses in the Dark Multiverse that would be affected by the Flashpoint? And would that mean there is a Dark Multiverse...for the Dark Multiverse?
There can't be a Dark Multiverse of a Dark Multiverse because the Dark Multiverse is the reflection of the Positive Multiverse's greatest fears. Think of it as a coin and the side that faces the light is the New 52 Multiverse while the one that is in the shadow and opposite side is essentially the Dark Multiverse. There can't be an inception because the concept doesn't allow it.
@@blitzwolfer4154 but if events that occurred seem to have a Dark Multiverse Earth where they still occurred (Infinite Crisis, Flashpoint, Blackest Night which can only happen if Crisis on Infinite Earth happened), then Dark Nights Metal should’ve happened, too?
Flashpoint was an amazing story that took the DCU down a fairly dark path. Granted the new 52 was, a questionable decision. So the idea of a dark multiverse rendition of a already dark story, I'm intrigued. Excellent work as always Rob.
I’d give the Death of Superman one credit for paying such amazing attention to continuity, playing with it, and overall delivering a very painful, visceral emotional gut punch.
I always liked how Smallville interpreted Superman's heat vision. Instead of a solid red beam, it's like waves of heat, like a mirage or something. He could easily be able to see through that.
DC's Dark Multiverse is really building up into something more than just their answer to "What If." Looking forward to that rumored payoff of all these stories coming together for an event.
How? 🤔 Common sense tells you that heroes shouldn't do bad things, like Flash screwing with time. Common sense also tells you that villains' roles is to do bad things, like Thawne screwing with time. I don't think you thought that statement out enough before blurting it out lol
@@ThatStevenLouis Because he calling someone else selfish when he does the same thing. Which makes him a bigger hypocritic when try to justify his own actions.
Why’s thawn have red pants ? Looks more like Wally’s costume .. I like his animated universe outfit where his pants are yellow .. or like CW with black on them
2 days old and only 80k views?! Man that's honestly upsetting. The Flash is one of the coolest superheros and deserves more love. Thank you for the good video Rob
In Smallville, Clark's heat vision was transparent. Of course though, in Smallville, Clark could manipulate his heat vision to do different direct paths such as squinting his eyes to make his heat vision more precise.
I think Superman doesn't see using normal vision while emitting his heat vision. I think he uses any of his other 50+ types of vision, probably x-ray or infrared
Well he is either seeing through the beam as a narrow vision as it heads straight. Or he basically eco locates with sonar sounds while simultaneously firing the beam. I imagine Superman as a photo-synthesizing plant with heat ray powers running like how a electric eel distributes electricity but through the eyes making the eye beams stronger the more stored Solar Radiation he has amassed
@@wavemaster4891 So if we're discussing this scientifically, it much more likely that echolocation is being used since our vision is the product of light stimulating our rods and cones in our retinas and processed through our bipolar and ganglion cells and sent as information through the optic nerve. This means that if he really does have heat vision, then no light other than that of the laser enters his eyes and therefore nothing gets processed as visual information. This means that he would need another method of external location. This shouldn't affect his position and coordination because of his vestibular and kinesthetic senses
rob, you misunderstood at the start. it wasn't Reverse Flash that killed him. when the lightning hit and tap into the speed force, it pulled RF into that timeline by the lightning strike. the thing is, its one of RF alt time self, as you see him still running to prevent flash from going back in time. it was the lightning that straight up killed barry than leaving him badly hurt.
What I love about this story is how Thawne became the centerpiece of the whole story He's not really the hero of the story but if you think about it he's not truly the villain either
Of course he can see through his heat vision. It's shown it in comics before. I mean he just stands around angry sometimes with his eyes glowing red from it and not actually shooting at people. He's just standing around blind cuz he's angry? But it's also shown panels of like red tinted Vision that he's seeing through
@@eghoseisiramen1892 exactly. So he can barely see through it. He should use his 50+ senses to help him. Like his x-ray plus his super hearing. Or his infrared plus super hearing.
My take is that there was some big war between Apocolips and New Genesis. New Genesis lost, but Darkseid died. Undead Lightray and Orion in Apocolips army are indicating on it.
About the heat vision: I believe Superman can still track you when using heat vision. Even if we suppose he may not be able to see through the beams, his other senses are on super human levels as well and his reaction time is almost as fast as the Flash. He would be able to use his other senses to discern the direction your dodge and adjust accordingly.
@@100percentNotaBot so youre implying the other superman LEARNED to see through his heat vision? Its either you can see or you cant, you cant learn to see through a wall.
I think he can’t see when he uses it but the fact that he’s been using it for that long gave him enough experience with it to know where you might go if you do move so he predicts your exact location before he fires
Oh, but youtuber described what happened to you in a wrong way. He did not lost morals around timetravel this time, because he did not have it for aeons. No, now, when Barry was dead and humliated, Thawne found semblance of morals. It became his world. His own. And now free of his vendetta against Barry, he became free to pursue his initial dream of becoming Flash. Since it is his world, Thawne argued, he'll not let anybody take it from him or destroy it. And so he amassed his own League... or perhaps even Legion. readcomicsonline.ru/uploads/manga/tales-from-the-dark-multiverse-flashpoint-2020/chapters/1/49.jpg
Hi Rob, I think it was covered in superman vs flash, when the flash moves fast, the world slows down but when superman moves fast the world blurs. The problem with that is that it implies superman moves faster than his brain can process his movements.
@@jesserothhammer7378 its been shown plenty of times that supermans hearing is quite acute so being able to pick up on a shift in weight through someones costume or footsteps is completely in the realm of his powerset
The was a live action TV show called Superboy. It also had a short comic book series based off of it. I can't remember if it happened in the TV series or the comic book series, but at one point Superboy's powers were amplified so much that he couldn't control them. In this story he revealed to Professor Peterson that he can actually see when he uses his heat vision. it's just that what he sees is red and hazy. So, I believe that he can actually see while using the heat vision to a degree.
In answer to the Superman heat vision tracking question, it’s an interesting concept. It’d make sense if he couldn’t. But if he could, it’s one thing to see where the target is moving. But it’s another thing to actively move a laser (two lasers) along its path. Ignoring the utter carnage that you’d leave in their wake, I can’t imagine it being easy to control the movement of his heat vision whilst its active to stay accurate.
I mean I wanted to read the comic first. But I do need some info about this dark timeline so I don’t get confused. I spoiled myself so I’m okay with it.
Rob you forgot to show what Eobard finally created in the end. A Justice League where his logo was on several heroes meaning that he was the leader and founder of his own Justice League which had no Batman. It's a very cool concept Eobard free from his obsession with Barry Allen and ending up the one who controlled the Universe behind the scenes. I can see him becoming a "Hero" better than Barry Allen was just to prove he was better.
In terms of Sup's heat vision, if he can't see he still has super hearing, that as far as I've seen is able to pick out individuals, so he could still track the individual.
Superman can absolutely track people with his heat vision whether he can see through it or not. Even just his hearing is so good it defies logic and the laws of physics.
Literally. But then the question is, does he get bored with it all? I mean, there's not challenge to anything anymore since he can change things literally at will. Is he satisfied basically being god or not?
@@andrewowens4421 The guy jetted before a whole army of new gods would have probably wiped him clean so their might be forces out there that could definitely challenge him.
Rob, Thawne is wrong. Barry's mother was never supposed to die, and Thawne killed her changing the timeline. So even if Barry messed up, it's still Thawnes fault.
On Superman seeing through his Heat Vision: I would say "Yes", that's the way its always seemed to work before. I"m certain there are moments in comics and animation where he has tracked a moving object while firing his Heat Vision. Strangely enough, Marvel's Captain Ersatz version of Superman, Hyperion, actually does operate in the 'can't see when he shoots' mode, at least going back to the 'Squadron Supreme' limited series. He would line up the target in his vision, roll his eyes WAY back to expose the energy emitting portion of his eyeballs, then fire. Of course, he could do this so quickly it would look like he could see what he was firing at.
Tracking them using his super intelligence makes him seem far better, than just seeing through it, it shows that super intelligence they normally show with inventions, making him predict the foes, during battle, and showing how fast his brain can work, but it’s still strange he does not think too fly the foe into a clear area like in dbz. It’s strange because as much as I love db, pride is the flaw of everyone in it, making them hardly ever overcome their flaws, and even if they did, super made them forget.
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You missed the most important part, Rob. When they trapped Thawne in the sonics Batman shot a bullet at him that would have killed him because he "missed it" but instead Superman caught it. In the moments after that Thawne was viewing all the hope that was going to spawn in the world, in the future(p. 39). Then Batman shot Superman and all that hope died with him. It was these visions of a hopeful future that made Thawne change. It brought him hope, and as he said to Batman way earlier in the comic (p. 22), hope is selfish. Thawne was fill with hope, with selfishness, to make his perfect world. The last page of the comic shows this with all the supers, almost each bearing his lightning bolt mark. If anything, this is a more lighthearted Dark Multiverse story, at least if read as a whole. If you focus on just Thawne then that's the kind of dark part to it. He's just Superboy Prime in his crisis world but with a lot more extra steps. Also, slight correction. Thawne didn't kill Barry when he was pulled out of the speedforce. Barry just got electri-fried. Thawne was all, "So this just happened. Oh hey Barry, never expected to see you cooked well-done."
Love the thoughts on superman's eye lasers making him not able to see. I think he uses his other enhanced senses to keep track of a moving target. Plus his combat knowledge to aim in the most likely path the object/person would go to.
@Thor God of Thunder believe it or not, I agree with you, I just felt that the racist pos that occupied the office directly before Biden did was much worse.
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My favorite line from Flashpoint: "You could've gone back and killed Hitler or made sure he stayed in art school, but no. You missed your Mommy!"
It's a dumb line though considering this whole story is butterfly effect warning. How do they know the Nazi party wouldn't have instead gotten a leader who just decided to wait out the winter. That's why Red Alert writers were big brain they at least gave it some thought beyond "tiny mustache man bad".
@@Sifer2 I always saw it as Thawne just continuing to mock Barry. He knows that actions like killing Hitler would have unforeseen consequences. But again, his whole argument against Barry is that he was both too ignorant to foresee such consequences and was too selfish when he chose saving his mother as the one thing to do when going back in time. As the Flash, a member of the Justice League who embody hope, one could easily imaging a great number of changes to history that could be done with the intentions of making the world a better place. But what does Barry do? He goes back in time to save his mommy. A selfish action, that only benefitted himself and put others at risk.
@@Overlord_Albain and the way he delivered the whole speech was great. He sounded like a parent scolding a child.
@lordgameminator to be fair, he could go back, kill Hitler, the entire nazi army the Japanese and soviet army pretty easily
@@100percentNotaBot that's doctor zoom more but DC sometimes act like there inter changeable so his motivation being that is believe but why try kill him in flashpoint
Was disappointed not seeing Reverse Flash saying
"It Was Me Barry".
@superboy prime lol
That was such a crazy edit.
@@nightshade3100 Am I late for the party?
Remember when you were making out with your first girlfriend...
@@absolutecarnage777 zoom to Barry remember that when you had the runs but ran out of toilet paper that was me. Cold remember when you couldn't find your cold gun checked the entire house and it is was in your pocket I moved into your pocket.
Eobard Thawne: "I weave my way through time like the _finest stitching_ on an _exquisite_ tapestry of _quantum probabilities"_
Barry Allen: *Haha. Speedforce go brrrrtt*
I mean.... yeah you’re not wrong.
Yes good sir sheepy meme
Since Thawn is a living paradox I think this means that he now just has a vacation home when he gets killed or run off or whatever.
*It's free Real Estate!!!*
He is no longer a paradox now, he stopped excisting (sort of).
@@mex321 this one is. And as long as he killed Barry mother he is.
@@mex321 *existing
@@jermainekngdom3154 No, he isn't a paradox anymore, read Finish Line.
I think that Superman's ability to actually aim with his heat vision requires practice, which Flashpoint Superman does not have.
I like this idea- maybe Superman can still see with his x-ray vision or something, but flashpoint superman hasn't learned how to use his powers in tandem.
@@parkerdixon-word6295 having been locked away from the outside world all his life, it makes sense for that to be the case
It could be true the Superman cannot see during heat vision, but could still track people with super hearing. If the guy can hear anyone's heartbeat, with experience he could track people without seeing them. Also I guess x-ray vision, but scientifically x-ray vision would be blocked by high frequency photons.
Guys you don't read enough Superman comics. It's shown Superman looking at stuff through his heat vision before. All red tinted when he's angry
@@i.am.not.herbert 😂😂😂 exactly
So if the Flashpoint story was already dark, then this would be dark on top of dark. Like a big devil's food cake...
...Makes you hungry.
yup
Food cake?
@superboy prime clearly it's not
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basically this
Shouldn’t this have had all the dark cancel each other out and ended up happy like everything was fine and worked out lol
From Thawne's narration, it wasn't Thomas Wayne that influenced his choice. It was Superman still trying to save him, despite him being, well, THAWNE. Which is why he had a change of heart and tried to create a better universe in the end.
Cool avatar 👍
"He was a soap opera actor, he had no business becoming president"
Ronald Reagen enters the chat* lol
Anouther good example is Joe Biden.
i think he’s a double not real president
just like hitler’s double
To be honest, this story was dark, but it kinda ended on a positive note. The only real issue is that it depends on Reverse Flash wanting to remain positive
So basically the universe became it's own Multiverse.
Omniverse. individual multiverses
Not exactly. It's a single universe that keeps changing over and over again every time Eobard runs back in time and alters the past. Every time Eobard alters the past, a new version of history overwrites the previous version of this universe's history.
@@praveenvijeyakumar741have you heard the river analogy for time travel?
Each time he time travels he splits the stream. Each stream is technically a unique earth. The only difference between that and parallel earths is the streams will end up merging every time the choice made is forgotten by history.
@@ked49 That's not how it works for Eobard Thawne though. Consider his OG beef in the OG timeline already has him killing Barry's mom. Nora's death should NOT have a been considered a natural death seen within the universe, but it was. He was a time traveler himself who changed what had happened, yet Nora Allen's death is STILL considered main timeline in the main universe. Barry Allen often creates multiple timelines when HE does it, but Eobard Thawne can alter the main universe, main timeline. Barry Allen's mom SUPPOSED to be dying like that is already proof of his ability. Within this Darkmultiverse story, Tempus Fuginaut has already said what he was doing within a single universe, living between the infinities, writing history over and over altering small details everywhere.
Some questions to help with determining Superman's vision is "What does the anatomy of the superman eye look like?" and "What is the mechanism that releases the energy?
Well it's all fantasy anyway so you can just make up a fan theory. I would guess that since Superman's body can absorb large quantities of solar energy/electricity his powers come from being able to release it in various ways. Eyes absorb light but maybe his can also reflect it back out. Really the frost breath makes less sense to me.
In cyclops case his eyes are portals to a punch dimension that are charged by solar radiation
Jav253 lowers the air temperature in his lungs like a fridge and it’s so cold that it can freeze things ?
If someone find this to lengthy forgive me
@@Sifer2 what you said about heat vision is right , Superman being born on a red Sun can able to metabolise radiation from yellow star (sun) and able to store it use it as a fuel . That's why Superman was in regeneration matrix in THE DEATH OF SUPERMAN . I guess in comics that Superman can control his heat vision since he is shown to use heat vision invisible to naked eye enabling to use it without being caught as kal-el . Therefore i would say maybe like a camera when a text is clicked with torch on the photo is too bright and nothing (text) is visible , similarly when Superman uses heat vision uncontrollably he would has to guess where his target would move since it would be too bright for his eyes to see . But if he can use X Ray vision( which i don't understand since if we consider it emits some sort of radiation like X Ray there must be a receiver which must receive radiation emitted by his eyes , behind the object/place the target be would like to scan to form any images ) while using heat vision he maybe able to see .
As for as freeze breathe it expands on a scientific principle that compressed air when speedily pushed through a restricted opening rapidly reduces the overall temperature of the burst.
Many say that since gravity is high in Krypton than on earth , Superman's flight is actually thanks to low gravity combined with radiation absorbtion from yellow Sun .
This explains kinda
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I’m gonna be on the toilet for 20 minutes, thank you Rob.
@Chris the 9 hour Green Lantern video makes my ass numb.
Tj Tennant lmao
Wait...if there’s a Flashpoint in the Dark Multiverse, which is a Crisis, does that mean there is a cluster of multiverses in the Dark Multiverse that would be affected by the Flashpoint? And would that mean there is a Dark Multiverse...for the Dark Multiverse?
At least they got a sneaky way bring back reverse flash without changing happy ending from last flash big storyline
There can't be a Dark Multiverse of a Dark Multiverse because the Dark Multiverse is the reflection of the Positive Multiverse's greatest fears. Think of it as a coin and the side that faces the light is the New 52 Multiverse while the one that is in the shadow and opposite side is essentially the Dark Multiverse. There can't be an inception because the concept doesn't allow it.
The darkest multiverse who laughs
@@blitzwolfer4154 but if events that occurred seem to have a Dark Multiverse Earth where they still occurred (Infinite Crisis, Flashpoint, Blackest Night which can only happen if Crisis on Infinite Earth happened), then Dark Nights Metal should’ve happened, too?
okay mind completely explod.............drool....
Flashpoint, but from the Dark Multiverse's perspective? Noice
@superboy prime uh what??
@superboy prime correct me if I'm wrong but flashpoint did not create the multiverse it just messed up the timeline giving us new 52
@superboy prime it might of affected the negative earths
Flashpoint was an amazing story that took the DCU down a fairly dark path. Granted the new 52 was, a questionable decision. So the idea of a dark multiverse rendition of a already dark story, I'm intrigued. Excellent work as always Rob.
So basically...
DC just made another Eobard Thawne to replace the one that died. If your multiverse's Thawne is dead, get one from another!
Wonder how Thawne from Earth 3 looks.
@@lewisaino zoom origin he loved the flash so much he wanted to be him in earth 3 he could just be the flash a egotistical flash
@@daraghokane4236 that or just dead, their Barry and Co could have put an end to him on the spot
@@daraghokane4236 would earth 3 eobarth be a hero sinds switched heroes to evil vilians to good thing
man it hurts my head didnt multiverse already have reverse flash
i mean dark multiverse its same
This was the best dark multiverse story yet. The rest were really without imagination compared to this one
I’d give the Death of Superman one credit for paying such amazing attention to continuity, playing with it, and overall delivering a very painful, visceral emotional gut punch.
Agreed. It felt like a part of the Main Multiverse instead of the Dark Multiverse
Not gonna lie, I really liked the Wonder Woman one
@@Jay_SGE what is the wonder woman one called
I really liked this one, Hush, and Infinite Crisis. The others are just kinda meh
His dark multiverse counterpart is just the good guy, imagine
wouldnt that be like crime syndicate version of a good guy reverse flash?
That brief fight between Superman and Reverse Flash was one of the coolest fights in recent comics.
Reverse Flash: HAHAHA I finally won. This timeline is mine!
Dr. Manhattan: Oh, you again?
I always liked how Smallville interpreted Superman's heat vision. Instead of a solid red beam, it's like waves of heat, like a mirage or something. He could easily be able to see through that.
The flashpoint animated movie is amazing and a must watch.
I feel the way he uses his heat vision is equivalent to the way cyclops uses his optical beams
Eobard is one of my favorite villains and seeing him here is just great.
He represents Eobard's hope/Barry's fear that he will finally take the Flash's legacy for himself.
DC's Dark Multiverse is really building up into something more than just their answer to "What If." Looking forward to that rumored payoff of all these stories coming together for an event.
Crossing fingers
This is better than what if
Looking forward to that one sinestro with life and death rings.
DC had that with "Imaginary Tells" which years later were turned into other realities.
Ain't Eobard Thawne a hypocrite for judging Barry for time travel.
Not really. Thawne is a surgeon with a scalpel, barry has a chainsaw.
@@nickolaibernar16 Technically he does because he did change the time for his own personal reasons
How? 🤔
Common sense tells you that heroes shouldn't do bad things, like Flash screwing with time.
Common sense also tells you that villains' roles is to do bad things, like Thawne screwing with time.
I don't think you thought that statement out enough before blurting it out lol
@@ThatStevenLouis Because he calling someone else selfish when he does the same thing. Which makes him a bigger hypocritic when try to justify his own actions.
Thawne is insane.
Why’s thawn have red pants ? Looks more like Wally’s costume .. I like his animated universe outfit where his pants are yellow .. or like CW with black on them
Wow, they made Flashpoint darker. DC is truly the depression-verse.
😂😂
That is why i love them, everything is dark, everything is right, as it should be.
Depression Comics
DC stands for Depressed Characters
Absolute Carnage LMAOOOOO
Remember when you came off a woman’s touch Barry, I jacked you at hyper speed Barry “It was ME Barry” all along
2 days old and only 80k views?! Man that's honestly upsetting. The Flash is one of the coolest superheros and deserves more love. Thank you for the good video Rob
I always felt he couldnt see with his heat vision activated. I always thought it was his other senses compensating kind of like daredeviil
Like the super hearing
He's been shown multiple times to be able to do this
In Smallville, Clark's heat vision was transparent. Of course though, in Smallville, Clark could manipulate his heat vision to do different direct paths such as squinting his eyes to make his heat vision more precise.
I think Superman doesn't see using normal vision while emitting his heat vision. I think he uses any of his other 50+ types of vision, probably x-ray or infrared
Agreed
Or his hearing if he can hear every person in the worlds cries for health he can definitely hear if whoever he's shooting at does a dodge roll
Well he is either seeing through the beam as a narrow vision as it heads straight. Or he basically eco locates with sonar sounds while simultaneously firing the beam. I imagine Superman as a photo-synthesizing plant with heat ray powers running like how a electric eel distributes electricity but through the eyes making the eye beams stronger the more stored Solar Radiation he has amassed
@@wavemaster4891 So if we're discussing this scientifically, it much more likely that echolocation is being used since our vision is the product of light stimulating our rods and cones in our retinas and processed through our bipolar and ganglion cells and sent as information through the optic nerve. This means that if he really does have heat vision, then no light other than that of the laser enters his eyes and therefore nothing gets processed as visual information. This means that he would need another method of external location. This shouldn't affect his position and coordination because of his vestibular and kinesthetic senses
rob, you misunderstood at the start.
it wasn't Reverse Flash that killed him.
when the lightning hit and tap into the speed force, it pulled RF into that timeline by the lightning strike. the thing is, its one of RF alt time self, as you see him still running to prevent flash from going back in time.
it was the lightning that straight up killed barry than leaving him badly hurt.
I was expecting Thawne to kill all hero’s and villains, bring Barry back to life and then torture him till the end of time
What I love about this story is how Thawne became the centerpiece of the whole story
He's not really the hero of the story but if you think about it he's not truly the villain either
Wonder Woman: Give me the running man!
Me: *Proceeds to dance*
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"Superman" Kal-El is very Skilled like "Cyclops" Scott Summers.
Yeah I did not know Scott could different things until the xmen legends games
@@johnlawful2272 What do you mean by different things?
Of course he can see through his heat vision. It's shown it in comics before. I mean he just stands around angry sometimes with his eyes glowing red from it and not actually shooting at people. He's just standing around blind cuz he's angry? But it's also shown panels of like red tinted Vision that he's seeing through
I think aiming his beams was learned by Superman later on.
Eobard Thawne - "Ah time travel! The cause & solution to... all of my problems."
This is one of the best dark multiverse stories yet in my opinion.
Not what I expected. I kinda like this story ending better than the other dark multiverse endings.
Dude, your work reviewing the Dark Multiverse issues is top-notch. Thank you for stepping up and bringing it to us.
I think Superman, shouldn't be able to see with his heat vision.
You could argue he can use his super hearing, but I like the limitations.
He shouldn't be able to see because?
@@eghoseisiramen1892 i mean even if he can see its gonna be all red. It's like covering your eyes with blood. Csn you see?
@@Zaacdrums that's not how it works for superman thoz they've shown him seeing through his heat vision, he just sees everything in red
@@eghoseisiramen1892 exactly. So he can barely see through it. He should use his 50+ senses to help him. Like his x-ray plus his super hearing. Or his infrared plus super hearing.
@@Zaacdrums in the comics and animated films he seems to be able to see just fine so agree to disagree?
Rob, please cover "The Last Stories of the DC Universe"
For many years, Thawn has been my favorite villain. This is just another reason why.
so threw his actions with the dark speed force he turned this dark universe into his one isolated time paradox that he can change as he wills
The reverse flash design in this book the best best design for any flash character ever
@17:54 Huh, looks like Barda is Darkseid in this universe now. Wonder how that took place.
My take is that there was some big war between Apocolips and New Genesis. New Genesis lost, but Darkseid died.
Undead Lightray and Orion in Apocolips army are indicating on it.
About the heat vision: I believe Superman can still track you when using heat vision. Even if we suppose he may not be able to see through the beams, his other senses are on super human levels as well and his reaction time is almost as fast as the Flash. He would be able to use his other senses to discern the direction your dodge and adjust accordingly.
Now I want to watch Thawn's perfect multiverse.
Specially the final page.
Reverse Flash reshaping the entire Dark Multiverse and making it stable is something to think about lmao
This was not the way I expected this story to go. Wow this is probably my new favorite coming out of Tales of the Dark Multiverse.
Im gonna say superman can see through his heat vision. Hes broken in every other way why wouldnt they let him see through heat vision.
He can and do different things like xmen cyclops
@@100percentNotaBot so youre implying the other superman LEARNED to see through his heat vision? Its either you can see or you cant, you cant learn to see through a wall.
@Vagabond i simply disagree
@@100percentNotaBot which ones?
This is the best story I've read in a loooong time. Kudos!
Anyone else notice how eobards suit looks a little too much like kid flash in this story
I think he can’t see when he uses it but the fact that he’s been using it for that long gave him enough experience with it to know where you might go if you do move so he predicts your exact location before he fires
so this version of thawn just lost his morals around timetravel and became someone without an equal force to hinder him
So essentially like the Red Death? :o
no, this version is the best and he is doing what any human would do with infinite power
Oh, but youtuber described what happened to you in a wrong way. He did not lost morals around timetravel this time, because he did not have it for aeons. No, now, when Barry was dead and humliated, Thawne found semblance of morals. It became his world. His own. And now free of his vendetta against Barry, he became free to pursue his initial dream of becoming Flash. Since it is his world, Thawne argued, he'll not let anybody take it from him or destroy it. And so he amassed his own League... or perhaps even Legion.
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Eobard Thawn running the show and fighting Superman is dope
What if mongul ruled sakaar instead of red king when hulk landed
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Hi Rob, I think it was covered in superman vs flash, when the flash moves fast, the world slows down but when superman moves fast the world blurs.
The problem with that is that it implies superman moves faster than his brain can process his movements.
I was expecting thawne to just murder the whole Wayne family when he went back in time.
same
I thought that was a second until i realized that he wouldn't do that.
Take solice in knowing that Thawne probably did it it anyway just for a laugh
there could be a timeline where he did that
I will be honest your consistency is top notch you put out the just the right story’s 💯👌🏽
He can use his super hearing to track targets even if he can't see when using his heat vision.
was checking to see if anyone else posted this before i do lol
That's why every marco polo game ends immediately irl. Cause hearing is the same as vision.
No that's Batman who has echolocation
Is hearing interpreted by the brain at the same rate at vision?
@@jesserothhammer7378 its been shown plenty of times that supermans hearing is quite acute so being able to pick up on a shift in weight through someones costume or footsteps is completely in the realm of his powerset
The Final Knight must be watching Eobard Thawn as that universe fades in and out of obscurity.
Man why am i so proud of my boy Eobard Thawne!
The was a live action TV show called Superboy. It also had a short comic book series based off of it. I can't remember if it happened in the TV series or the comic book series, but at one point Superboy's powers were amplified so much that he couldn't control them. In this story he revealed to Professor Peterson that he can actually see when he uses his heat vision. it's just that what he sees is red and hazy. So, I believe that he can actually see while using the heat vision to a degree.
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Brooo I kinda would like to see a series of what thawane does like changing stuff in the world
I was waiting on this one JUST THIS ONE
Ngl, this is one of my favorite Tales from the Dark Multiverse
I think Superman can hear or smell if his target moves, maybe even feel the air
X-ray and infrared vision
Doesn’t have super smell
@@Katakurienergy honestly I feel like he does. He is enhanced in every power. If he is enhanced in hearing he is enhanced in smelling too.
@@Katakurienergy he does he used it in the silver age comics
You got me at Dark Multiverse Flashpoint, I never clicked faster on anything in my life
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In answer to the Superman heat vision tracking question, it’s an interesting concept. It’d make sense if he couldn’t. But if he could, it’s one thing to see where the target is moving. But it’s another thing to actively move a laser (two lasers) along its path. Ignoring the utter carnage that you’d leave in their wake, I can’t imagine it being easy to control the movement of his heat vision whilst its active to stay accurate.
This became my favorite story after wonder woman called on darkseid
YES SUPERMAN CAN SEE THRU HIS HEAT VISION HE EVEN SHAVES USING HEAT VISION
I mean I wanted to read the comic first. But I do need some info about this dark timeline so I don’t get confused. I spoiled myself so I’m okay with it.
Rob you forgot to show what Eobard finally created in the end. A Justice League where his logo was on several heroes meaning that he was the leader and founder of his own Justice League which had no Batman.
It's a very cool concept Eobard free from his obsession with Barry Allen and ending up the one who controlled the Universe behind the scenes. I can see him becoming a "Hero" better than Barry Allen was just to prove he was better.
His name is “super man”. His eyesight is precise and quick, also mention X-ray vision. He could definitely aim his heat vision.
In terms of Sup's heat vision, if he can't see he still has super hearing, that as far as I've seen is able to pick out individuals, so he could still track the individual.
We would very much like a video on Ressurection Man
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Superman can absolutely track people with his heat vision whether he can see through it or not. Even just his hearing is so good it defies logic and the laws of physics.
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Dose anyone also just listen to Robs videos while they’re driving to and from work? Or is it just me
Nope that's me too! best comic book story tellin, nothing extra , and he be funny.. so yea robs appreciated 🙏🏽
Thawne is the greatest villain of all time
The title of the video should be called Reverseflashpoint.
This is simultaneously the best and worst Dark multiverse world to live in depending on how thawn is feeling that day
Literally. But then the question is, does he get bored with it all? I mean, there's not challenge to anything anymore since he can change things literally at will. Is he satisfied basically being god or not?
@@andrewowens4421 If he gets bored he leaves
@@andrewowens4421 The guy jetted before a whole army of new gods would have probably wiped him clean so their might be forces out there that could definitely challenge him.
It’s called heat vision. Vision is. Core component. Not heat beams or anything like that. I think he can still see.
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Damn I was hoping flashpoint was already a dark multiverse and Barry was just dipping into it
Rob, Thawne is wrong. Barry's mother was never supposed to die, and Thawne killed her changing the timeline. So even if Barry messed up, it's still Thawnes fault.
On Superman seeing through his Heat Vision: I would say "Yes", that's the way its always seemed to work before. I"m certain there are moments in comics and animation where he has tracked a moving object while firing his Heat Vision.
Strangely enough, Marvel's Captain Ersatz version of Superman, Hyperion, actually does operate in the 'can't see when he shoots' mode, at least going back to the 'Squadron Supreme' limited series. He would line up the target in his vision, roll his eyes WAY back to expose the energy emitting portion of his eyeballs, then fire. Of course, he could do this so quickly it would look like he could see what he was firing at.
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Boom here we are again....and again...and again...we see you Aaron Wilder.
@@EtotheFnD thank you haha
Keep going man he’ll eventually listen to you
@@maloukadaknou153 I hope so haha
Tracking them using his super intelligence makes him seem far better, than just seeing through it, it shows that super intelligence they normally show with inventions, making him predict the foes, during battle, and showing how fast his brain can work, but it’s still strange he does not think too fly the foe into a clear area like in dbz. It’s strange because as much as I love db, pride is the flaw of everyone in it, making them hardly ever overcome their flaws, and even if they did, super made them forget.
"this guy had no business being president"
*looks at the last 4 years.
Stop the steal
To the early squad reading this: sending virtual hugs to everyone who needs it, always stay safe and have a blessed week.☘️💖
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*looks at the last few hundred years*
@@Anti-HyperLink why last 4 year's were way worst
And you wonder why Politics in Comics always fails. Trump 2020.
You missed the most important part, Rob. When they trapped Thawne in the sonics Batman shot a bullet at him that would have killed him because he "missed it" but instead Superman caught it. In the moments after that Thawne was viewing all the hope that was going to spawn in the world, in the future(p. 39). Then Batman shot Superman and all that hope died with him. It was these visions of a hopeful future that made Thawne change. It brought him hope, and as he said to Batman way earlier in the comic (p. 22), hope is selfish. Thawne was fill with hope, with selfishness, to make his perfect world. The last page of the comic shows this with all the supers, almost each bearing his lightning bolt mark. If anything, this is a more lighthearted Dark Multiverse story, at least if read as a whole. If you focus on just Thawne then that's the kind of dark part to it. He's just Superboy Prime in his crisis world but with a lot more extra steps.
Also, slight correction. Thawne didn't kill Barry when he was pulled out of the speedforce. Barry just got electri-fried. Thawne was all, "So this just happened. Oh hey Barry, never expected to see you cooked well-done."
Y’all ready for cyberpunk
pre installed. this is the longest wait ever lol
1)No & 2)this has *ZERO* things to do with the video
Not really tbh kinda feels like the game is overhyped
Love the thoughts on superman's eye lasers making him not able to see. I think he uses his other enhanced senses to keep track of a moving target. Plus his combat knowledge to aim in the most likely path the object/person would go to.
“This guy had no business becoming president of the United States.” Damn irony! Lol
@Thor God of Thunder believe it or not, I agree with you, I just felt that the racist pos that occupied the office directly before Biden did was much worse.