Analyzing Evil: Ozymandias From Watchmen
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Hello everyone and welcome to the seventy-eighth episode of Analyzing Evil! Our feature villain for this video is Ozymandias from Watchmen. I hope you enjoy, and thanks for watching. If you have any feedback or questions feel free to let me know below!
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One of the best ‘villain’ moments in comic book and movie history:
Adrian Veidt: The Comedian was right. Humanity's savage nature will inevitably lead to global annihilation. So in order to save this planet, I have to trick it... with the greatest practical joke in human history.
Dan Dreiberg: Killing millions?
Adrian Veidt: To save billions. A necessary crime.
Rorschach: You know we can't let you do that.
Adrian Veidt: 'Do that', Rorschach? I'm not a comic book villain. Do you seriously think I would explain my master stroke to you if there were even the slightest possibility you could affect the outcome? I triggered it 35 minutes ago.
Always get chills at that end line.
I always loved he said he’s not a comic book villain like bro yes you are
@@uzitay815 I feel that's why The Joker is really the most dangerous villain of all time. He knows he's a comic book villain , so his insanity has no inhibitions.
Indeed.
@@egggnome6266 What has his knowledge that he is a comic book charakter to do with his danger level? He is as dangerous as the writers make him, and if the Joker knows this, he knows he can't surpass his limitations and will always loose to Batman.
Ozymandias is far more dangerous, as he is written to be far more intelligent than the Joker. He succeded in his plan!
@@DundG You may want to look up the concept of meta and not try to fit things into those little boxes. We're trying to think outside of those.
Look, I'm not going to say Ozymandias was right, even if he was well-intentioned - he murdered countless innocent people, nothing can justify that. The key thing about his character, though, is that he _believes_ he was right - even when faced with more constructive solutions, when confronted by his own friends, Ozymandias' own ego prevents him from acknowledging viewpoints other than his own. When Rorschach says he'll never compromise, it's not just a refutation of Ozymandias' plan - it's a reflection, as both men are utterly unwilling to admit they're wrong or dissent to differing views, no matter what the consequences may be. Such is one of the key themes of Watchmen - there are no heroes or villains, just people, with all their many strengths and flaws.
Hitting the nail on the head.
@Ozymandias The Misanthrope Wow I can’t believe the actual Ozymandias from Alan Moore’s Watchmen replied to my comment, it’s an honor sir
They dropped the bomb because they knew that Japan was training non combat personnel and no military personnel to train in gorilla warfare. Japan was gonna drag it out. The fact that it took 2 atomic bombs should tell you that. Surrender wasn’t gonna be a option if those bombs wert dropped
@Ozymandias The Misanthrope I know, I was just kidding. Cool that that's your actual name, though. And yeah, I try to run this account without judging people based on trivial stuff like their opinions on comic book characters - there's too much hate on this site as is, I'm just doing my part to create a non-hostile atmosphere. Glad to have a good conversation, yeah.
@Ozymandias The Misanthrope tyrants and cowards come from both the left and the right. Both argue with a false pretense of offering true freedom to those of us with no real power.
Ozymandias is the perfect embodiment of someone who has become so detached from humanity to recognize that there is still good. I know in the original comic, there are two characters, old Bernie and young Bernie, an old white man and a young black man, who form a great friendship over the course of the story. Old Bernie gives him a comic for free when young Bernie can't afford it, and old Bernie even throws himself in front of young Bernie to save him. When the comic was written, it really meant a lot to see this. Ozymandias can't see the micro level of good in the world. He never really wanted to improve the good, in reality, he just wanted to destroy the bad.
that's a nice interesting view, didn't realize THAT was what that relationship met in the story, always wondered about that.
The aftermath scene in the graphic novel is a prime example of why "The Watchmen" was so difficult to translate to the screen. There are soooooo many little details that are important, like the old man and young boy. Another one that stands out is the lesbian could that were constantly arguing throughout the book. In the aftermath, you find their bodies in the rubble, hand in hand as they met death. Even as disfunctional as they were in life, in their final moments they sought each other out and greeted death together. Love, in its final moment, demonstrated that their love was stronger than their disagreements.
Interesting, but I think Ozymandias would still see that good as being too small and trivial to make much an impact. And on the whole level people were largely evil and he rather see the evil side like that one guy from the squid games because it’s easier to see the bad than the goodness to justify actions
@@Gadget-Walkmen I didn’t realize that myself, I thought it was to get the viewers used to who were some of the people who were going to die. Both black and white died by what Ozymandias saw as a equal death and it wasn’t targeted certain groups he just didn’t trust all of humanity at all as a whole.
Hey! Nice to see a fellow crew member of the Normandy!
Nite owl-“Killing millions...”
Ozymandias-“To save billions”
"a necessary crime"
@@michaelkelley2727except it wasn't necessary. We are still here.
@@ryanwarner5006 For now
Did you know?
David Hayter the voice of Solid Snake
He co-wrote the screenplay of the Watchmen what an absolutely fantastic job I never knew till years later
I love Hayter and enjoy the movie but it is almost shot for shot from the graphic novel. Not hating on anyone (especially not Snake) but always felt the film would have done well not trying to copy scene for scene dialogue and shots.
@@RichieMyers12 I actually like that they dod that tbh. It's almost like a remaster. Its hit different seeing them move around.
@@RichieMyers12 I think we really take for granted the sheer amount of effort that it takes to translate a graphic novel to the big screen so faithfully
So he’s to blame for that train wreck
@@jorgevazquez1197 ouch
The setting established that the Warsaw Pact nations had drastically upscaled their nuclear arms production out of fear of Dr. Manhattan, and were more likely to use them as a result. Obviously, this was not an issue in our own world, hence why Ozymandias felt the threat of nuclear annihilation was a certainty if he did not act.
Adrian Veidt is a hero for his actions. If killing millions saves billions its a necessary evil. Its pure utilitarian ideology in action.
But a compromise could have been made, if Ozymandias could have convinced Dr. Manhattan to leave Earth. Therefore Dr. Manhattan wouldn't be around to continue the escalation of conflict.
Lmaoooo
It's not that Ozymandias shouldn't have act. On the contrary, with his vast possibilities, he should've, in my opinion, stepped up and tried to find the solution. With all the power he wields, it would be irresponsible to just sit and watch. However, the problem is with which course of action he took. He didn't exhaust all the possible options before doing what he did. Instead, he acted on emotions of fear and desire to be the Saviour, which he himself failed to recognize.
@@digitaldevil696 he....did though. He literally says he's tried to find other solutions but none of them would work
Whoa just realized why Adrien has the visual of Alexander cutting the Gordian knot. Instead of trying to untangle the complexities of the Cold War he decided to just cut through all of it in one violent action. Alexander “solving” the Gordian knot is a great story of someone doing something destructive just so that no one else can say they did what he had tried to do. The point of untying the Gordian knot was to have the rope to lead the ox, but Alexander destroys it. The point of ending the Cold War was to save lives, but Ozymandias kills millions just so no one else can claim to have “ended the Cold War”.
A type of evil we see all too often. A solution looking for a problem, with no faith in people to solve their own problems. Real world solipsism taken to the extreme. And as with real life analogs, for Ozymandias it all amounts to little more than an unconscious vanity project.
I don't think it's fair to say that there was no problem. It is mentioned that dr. Manhattan is shifting the balance of power and causing the cold war to spiral out of control
@@CAMSLAYER13 There's certainly truth to that. I think where Ozymandias went from help to harm was when he cut human agency out of the loop. He began with good intentions, but his ego polluted the outcome.
To be perfectly honest, I have no faith in people to solve their own problems. If they did right thing when it was hard, the world wouldn't be as fucked as it is now.
nah its fucking stupid to trust people to solve their own problems. Look at the state of the world. At this point the only hope is pressing the reset button. A limited strategic nuclear exchange that decapitates the major governments of the world and kills off large swaths of the greedy, disgusting, shallow urban hordes would probably do the job and restore balance.
@@adamkadir3803 that's only because people are easy to manipulate. If everyone was just a bit smarter and didn't listen to any of the shit the media or politicians pump out we'd be living in a much better world.
Iirc, his plans didn’t include the comedian. Apparently the Comedian fully discovered his plan, realized it would work, had a breakdown, and committed suicide by confessing to Moloch, who he knew Veidt had bugged.
Hiring an assassin to target himself was just his response to the hero hunter investigation.
That's a sick joke befitting the man and the monster.
Yeah. I actually don’t agree with a lot of the ways he handled this character. Adrian wasn’t the Joker in the dark night relying entirely upon the actions of others for his plan. He relied upon the action of only one person to succeed, Dr. Manhattan, but he was easy to predict since he quite literally worked like clock work. Everything else he planned by only relying upon himself and the people he hired while attempting to kill as few people as possible to achieve his plan.
I'm pretty sure he was excited to beat Eddie's ass after getting embarrassed at Metropolis' meeting
What a great villain. The best bad guys are the ones that make you question whether they are right in the end or wrong.
@pyropulse oh sorry my bad I guess this TH-camr who is obviously very intelligent and all of us who watch and liked this video are just too stupid to compare to your greatness. Because even the other heros in the story themselves agreed with the plan in the end genius
Edit: the bottom line is I never said I think what he did was right. He's just more intersing to me than a mustache twirling villian who is simply evil to be evil 😈
@pyropulse the real point in villans are to question your own belives and thinks you trust in. They show you the other side and how it had to play out.
true but I also like a lot of purely evil villains ie joker frank underwood griffith light yagami (no he is NOT an anti villain) etc
The scene that really summarizes everything you need to know about Ozymandias, in my opinion, is right after he succeeds (10:40)
His arms up in the air in victory, with a depiction of Alexander the Great cutting the Gordian knot in the background
A walking talking metaphor of an ambitious man solving a complicated issue with sheer brute force
... and failed.
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 how? He succeeded i every step of the way
@@joshuaortiz2031 he didn’t solve the problem he is the problem
@@joshuaortiz2031 For later having his plan crumble gradually once he achieved his brutal victory.
This is the entire point about the double irony that underlies the existential wrestling between Ozymandias and Dr. Manhattan. While the godlike superman who boasted about having walked onto the Sun couldn't predict what Ozymandias has in pocket, the latter failed to realize he commited the exact same error than Alexander rather than truly emulating the spirit of Ramesses II.
I don't think the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Always hated that saying
“I'm not a comic book villain. Do you seriously think I would explain my master stroke to you if there were even the slightest possibility you could affect the outcome?”
One of my favorite lines ever.
He actually says "Republic serial" villain, because in the world of Watchmen comic books don't have super heroes and super villains, as they are real things, and instead the most popular comics are about pirates and other historical adventure stories.
And he says that while standing in his secret Antarctic lair, complete with super-science weapons and a genetically engineered pet, while dressed in a flashy costume.
"Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon."
Rorschach did comprise a lot though. He didn’t live by his own beliefs. He only stuck to his principles when absolute evil occurred.
i find this the stupidiest thing ever. Not all things need to be known if you reveal something and it kills billions then those deaths are on your hand. Sometimes its best to keep things secret to protect the world. He refused to see in gray and only saw black and white.
@@levikazama2323 That's your opinion if you see it like that but the whole point was to give out how RORSCHACH saw things, that's his ideology.
15:50 also I think its necessary to add that in the world of Watchmen the US have won the Vietnam War with the help of super heroes which (adding to the 3 term Nixon presidency) likely increased tensions even more to an extreme
This I think is important. It really didn't seem like diplomacy was an option because of this.
If a villain makes you wonder whether they could be right judging them by their motives, then Ozymandias is definitely one of the 10-20 best villains of all time. After all, Watchmen is one of the all-time best comics [and my personal favourite].
I believe there's one quote that best sums him up. "The Path to Hell is paved by good intentions."
I love how Ozimandias plan in original Watchmen is straight-forward but complex on the moral ground and summary of his plan in HBO series and Doomsday Clock sounds like insane gibberish.
He ends up sounding as mad as Rorschach sounded to others
Funny isn't it?
I hated what the creators did to Adrian in the HBO series. Nothing against Jeremy Irons, who does what he can with the role, but considering reading the novel and seeing who Adrian was like in the show, I literally screamed, "WHO THE F**K IS THIS GUY?".
Irons portrays the character very much in an expressive-animated way, when in the novel, Adrian was reserved and somber. And then comes Episode 5 of the series where we see the tape Adrian made explaining his involvement in the Squid Attack and acts very cocky and delighted in the fact that he murdered 3 Million innocent civilians. And it was at that point that I almost wanted to give up on the show, because the Adrian we see at the manor house ain't a man driven to madness after over 3 decades of solitude and his masterstroke failing to bring about the Utopia he dreamed of, but simply a choice from the creator to make him like this.
And sure you'd probably say, "But of course, Adrian would have this attitude as he's a raging narcissist.", and to that I say, "Well yes, BUT ALSO NO.". Because while Adrian is a narcissist, his narcissism is more nuanced than how narcissism is portrayed in media. Because in the novel, Adrian displays characteristics that seem to contradict this profile. The man gave away his family fortune, his crime-fighting led to good in the world, and created a company to help make the world a better place. He was a philanthropist, pacifist (WAS, FYI...), and didn't do anything he was doing for financial gain. But he was however, self-absorbed and took pride in his on vanity. So while he was a narcissist, he wasn't raging with hedonism and step on those who he saw to dare take what was his, but more of the fact that he had a messiah complex that convinced himself that ONLY HE can save the world.
And that was the whole theme of the original novel. Of how a person may truly and sincerely be benevolent, and help the world become a better place, there's a deeper, self-serving motivation, whether the person is conscious of it or not, to their "heroism". Therefore I find the way the creators portrayed Adrian's expression of narcissism in the show absurdly off-base. And this interpretation of his character is later amplified in episodes 8 - 9. As the show makes it seem like Adrian is in despair, not because his plan didn't lead to the Utopia he dreamed of, but that the people of the world don't know that he was the one who saved them from nuclear destruction. Adrian probably would care that much if the people of Earth knew that it was him who orchestrated the Squid Attack. But Adrian in the novel goes to great lengths to ensure that nobody would find out. Sure he tells Rorschach, Dan, and Laurie, but the three are already fugitives at that point, therefore they probably should keep their mouths shut, and Dr Manhattan would just simply not be bothered to say anything.
So yeah, the creators of the show didn't understand Adrian and how complex he was and just saw him to be this cartoonish villain who has raging narcissistic qualities, let alone caring about the nuances of Adrian's character.
@@osmanyousif7849bruh nobody’s reading your whole rant about fictional characters . Let your ass sit alone for 30 years and see how your personality changes . This man is a human not a robot a very nutty human at that
And in the end who was Adrian Veidt? He was a narcissistic genius who saw himself above others, who used his massive fortune and corporate resources to force his solution to a potential cataclysm upon the world, someone who justified his atrocities using the lives of the people he hadn't killed, and was ultimately outplayed by a homeless man with a journal.
Rorschach drops his journal off before he heads to the artic with Nite Owl II & Silk Spectre II. All he knew for certain at that point was that Veidt had killed the Comedian, but he didn't know why; meaning that there's nothing at all in there about Veidt's real plan. At best it would lead to him being investigated & tried for a single murder and that's only if anyone took a journal full of a madman's ramblings that couldn't be authenticated seriously to begin with. At worst, it would've been completely ignored or suppressed for the sake of maintaining the false peace between the US & the Soviets.
@@khiryhelms Considering the emphasis the story puts on the journal at the end, I'd say we'll have to disagree.
He doesn't consider himself above others. He considers himself equal to everyone else, with an equal stake in what transpires on the planet. Which is why he, rightfully, does what he does.
@@KarkatVantasandMitunaCaptor rightfully 😐, absolutely no.
@@KarkatVantasandMitunaCaptor He killed millions of innocent people not himself. He just goes on to enjoy his plan's success.
My problem with Ozy is that there would have been so many better ways to save the world. Disarm missiles, build massive force fields, negation. Ozymandius seeks the drama, hence his constant admiration of Alexander. He needs to do something crazy. He let that get in the way of saving the world
thats actually touched upon in the movie, even if dr manhattan stops 99% of incoming missiles, the remaining 1% can still cause tens of millions of deaths because of just how many missiles that will be launched
As much as I disagree with Ozymandius' plan this is not true. Disarming the nukes would be nigh impossible. Even if it was possible more would be made. You have to remember that these people arent superheros, they are people(other than Dr Manhattan). Imagine Bill Gates or Elon Musk trying to disarm the nuclear missiles today. Imagine them teying to do it in the 60s. It would be impossible. The world of watchmen is also MUCH closer to nuclear armageddon then our world ever has. Force fields would be a decent idea but you cant put the whole world under force fields. Ecen if you did the military complex would find ways to get through or around forcefields just like any other advancement that has ever been made. It really was a near impossible question to answer. The only real question is would the bombs have flown in the first place. Would diplomacy work in the end. Would Dr. Manhattan leaving actually hring some sort of peace. Those questions are very up in the air. In the end of the day Ozy's answer was successful and I dont think the ones you put forward would be. I also dont think there was an exhaustive list of good answers either. I think we have Diplomacy (very shakey answer to the threat. Could go wrong in a million ways), Dr Manhattan leaving (puts a lot of trust in other countries to not take advantage while america is weakened), Adrians answer (millions die), and maybe a few that I am too dumb to think of.
Ozymandias and the MCU's version of Thanos are very similar to each other. Both had good intentions and were willing to sacrifice countless lives to reach their goals. The difference is Ozymandias actually won in the end.
So did Thanos. Until it was undone
"any man, woman, or child in the name of peace"
That's right. I just compared peacemaker to these two
@@joeparrigen4982 via a time travel plot device that was and still is an absolute asspull
The Comedian was based of Peacemaker. And according to most EU sources, and even his own name, Veidt’s plan was reversed just like Thanos’.
thanos didn't have good intentions. he just wanted to prove himself right.
Weather or not ozymandias was “right”
He killed innocent people regardless if the “ends justifies the means”
There’s nothing more dangerous than a villain that believes his own righteousness
But Ozy isn't evil for the sake of being evil, as he genuinely tried to help saved the world. But seeing that all his efforts meant nothing, and the countries wanted blood in order to get peace, he decide that if killing the population was the only way, so be it. But even after this, he still questions if he did the right thing, because he does hold regret for it. He's not a mad-man who doesn't care. But a man who was placed in the trolley and had to make a choice between 1 life or 100 lives. So he pulled the switch and look what it got him.
He’s an anti-villain at most but definitely villainous due to him killing numerous innocent people.
@@osmanyousif7849 Evey villain is the hero in their own story.
A very complex character who we will never stop to analyze the character and his actions, the duality of ozimandias is fascinating and one of the best character in watchmen, not to mention that is considered one of the best villain of all time
90% of the time, when someone invokes "The Greater Good" to justify their actions, they are doing something evil.
The greater good
Except for real genius
Its certainly a theme in the west , but it also makes me wonder, is “the greater good” seen as a legitimate justification in communist/socialist societies?
@@thepeatboggy As far as I know, that's what Communism is all about. The revolution of the proletariat, seizing the means of production, redistributing wealth and all that are done "for the greater good".
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 the greater good
the genius of (the original) watchmen is that Ozzy's dilemma mirrors the main theme of the whole novel perfectly: that of the superhero/vigilante, the "who watches the watchmen" thing, and how legit is it to break the rules to enforce the rules -- or, in Adrian's rather extreme case, to provoke global onslaught to avoid global onslaught.
One of my absolute favorite villains. Love his account of retracing Alexander's path
Now THIS is a great choice for a villian.
I'm intrigued to see your analysis on, say Shredder? The Merovingian, perhaps even the Architect. Thrawn or Tarkin(if you havent done that yet) would be realllllly good.
Arishem would be interesting too
I agree with all your suggestions, especially the way this guy breaks down the characters. I’ve been subscribed for a few months now, this is a fascinating channel.
@@grimmettcleaningservices7003 This is quite the gem of a channel, I must say
Thrawn is quite similar to Veidt.
@@Notsussybaka900 On an extremely surface level look at the two, yes they are similar. But in the way Vader would be similar to maybe movie Thanos
I remember reading in the forwards of one of his books that Alan Moore had no expectation that the Cold War was going to de-escalate as peacefully as it did. To him, humanity was so mad that maybe monstrous ideas were the only things that had a shot at stopping humanity’s total annihilation
He's more like the character he created, Ozymandias, than he realized. sm
Id love for you to do Handsome Jack, I think he's a very complex villian who has good points but wrong executions.
Please!
For me he’s not evil per se. Just detached and inherently selfish. In his experience, all he’s ever had was himself. Teachers didn’t trust him, kids attempted to bully him, as far as he’s concerned he’s something else. They treated Jesus the same way. So he forgives them for they know not what they do, but sacrifices “others” for their salvation.
Changed my mind. He’s like a really crazy type of evil person.
A good man would not sacrifice others for "their own good", he would sacrifice himself.
Please do The Comedian soon, he's a fascinating and vile character in himself
All the characters in that movie were evil including Dr.Manhattan and Rorschach.
what about Niteowl, I wouldn't call him evil.
@@mistletoe3343 He wasn't evil he was just Batman without the wealth and fame.
@@PortlandSucksss I didn't say all the characters I was addressing the main ones that had it with the world's problem.
@Anti SJW He was a vigilante he used murder to get his point across and that was wrong.They say 2 wrongs don't make a right.
I think ruling Ozymandias to be evil or otherwise by weighing the sacrifices he makes against the people he saves is the wrong way to go about it. Quantifying body counts is a decent way of comparing the evil of to people who are already considered to be as such, but many causalities have occurred from Superman's negligence no doubt, or the weapons Tony Stark sold before he became Iron Man. This doesn't call into question the heroic goodness of their characters, because they clearly value those people, out of sympathy for their individual lives, and exhibit remorse. So just as someone who causes harm isn't necessarily evil, someone who causes virtue isn't always virtuous.
Ozymandias sees world peace less like a humanitarian necessity, and more like a means of confirming his existence to himself, the greatest dignity any person could attain, and one that he's entitled to. He understands that his powers come with a great responsibility, but believes that _he_ is the only person that he's responsible for. Everything he does is for a self-imposed life purpose. And having a life purpose, even a selfish one, isn't an evil thing, but that does not make it a rationality for deliberate mass murder. That's not the sort of thing a good person can so confidently justify.
I agree. He wasn’t utilitarian by nature or anything he just wanted to save the world and manufactured a way to do it. He was excited by chaos cause it meant he could bring order. In the original run I think it’s fair to question if he’s really the Smartest Man in the World because the only person we have to base that on is himself. Otherwise he didn’t genetically alter the squid or make teleportation the companies he made did. He may just be an average man, but very lucky who convinced himself the world was on his shoulders.
That’s the great thing about the og watchmen and something the shows and spin-off just can’t recreate
It’s the grey of it all
The fact that we can debate if killing 3 million was a necessary thing or not speaks to the brilliance of the comic
The hbo show and doomsday simply just make ozymandias a generic bad guy when it has been shown that he is a complex villain that make us question our position
For me personally I don’t think Ozmandias came across as a generic antagonist in the HBO series and in Doomsday Clock in the series he felt more like a depressed, lonely, and bored guy in it and in Doomsday Clock he felt more…. desperate and extremely manipulative that’s what I would use to describe his character. But hey that’s just what I thought of him in both those series. I do definitely agree with all what you say about the book overall
I love the HBO show but they fucking RUINED ozymandias. The last episode is one of the worst things I've ever watched
@@KarkatVantasandMitunaCaptor I have to respectfully disagree with you on the last episode
@@samcalven12 don't care, you're wrong
The show and doomsday didn’t make him a generic villain. If anything it shows the natural progression of a narcissist that doesn’t get that they wanted despite their power. It’s a crack down of their personal image of who they are.
Loved the vid, can next be Light Yagami from Death Note?
Ironically, while Light didn't kill as many people as Ozymandias, in my opinion at least, he's far worse as an individual.
I remember this villain, Ozymandias is a well-written, classic depiction of a villain who fully believes the ends justify the means, and he's willing to kill countless people to do it in a truly horrific manner to make that point.
Lessee... ones I'd like to see...
-Ultimate Despair from Danganronpa(spoilers on their identity)
-Dr. Raymond Cocteau and Simon Phoenix from Demolition Man
-Dr. Robotnik (film version)
I would love to see him cover AOSTH Robotnik as an April Fool's joke.
I think an amazing villain that vile should do is Carl Denim from both the original and Peter Jackson’s King Kong, such a vile man and one who will sacrifice anyone to get what he wants
Good choice. Very underrated pick. Was just watching the Jackson Kong a couple of days ago and was thinking about recommending Denim for an episode. His sleaziness knows no bounds.
This Channel is the best! Great villain pick and ethical conundrum!
Analyzing Evil: Mr. Blonde from Reservoir Dogs
Great video as always. I would like to suggests the following villains for analysis:
1. Frank Underwood/Francis Urquhart (House of Cards)
2. Light Yagami (Deathnote)
3. Petyr Baelish (A Song of Ice and Fire)
4. Frank Gallagher ( Shameless US)
5. Marty & Wendy Bryde (Ozark)
interesting choices. Especially Light and Mr. Gallagher
@@jackalope2302 Frank Gallagher is a narcissistic, alcoholic, hedonists, who is self-serving. Throughout the series he is basically a disease that manipulates, corrupts, exploits and destroys whenever possible.
I'm not sure I'd call Frank "evil" exactly, rather just a selfish asshole.
I know this is probably unpopular opinion, but Ozymandias did what was necessary because humans in that world was never going to put aside their differences and unite and sometimes you have to save humanity from itself. Ozymandias is one of my favorite villains ever BTW. Also for a suggestion, if you do watch anime or manga, I would love for you to do a video on Aizen from bleach. That would be a incredible analyzing evil video.
lol That's delusional. There is never an era of peace in history- especially in Alexander the Great's era. Governments will always fight some other group for something- it doesn't matter if the reason makes total sense or not. That's the military-industrial complex
I actually liked how the movie portrayed Adrian’s plan. It makes sense that the works would unite in fear of Dr. Manhattan.
I agree. Unlike the squid, Dr. Manhattan was a known quantity and people knew how dangerous he could be if he he became a threat. One of the things I liked about "Doomsday Clock" is that showed just how powerful Dr. Manhattan actually is. Despite the assembled power of the heroes going against him they couldn't do anything against him.
Yessssss!!! Been waiting for this one. Thanks so much V.E
*"I did the right thing, didn't I? It all worked out in the end."*
A man too damn smart and narcissistic for his own good and everyone else's sake. When Luthor laughed at his plan in Doomsday Clock, that should've humbled Ozy.
Doomsday clock sucked balls
Well, Ozymandias did achieve his objective in the end. What's Luthor's track record?
In the end ? Nothing ever ends
@@charzanboo9940 If Superman writers didn’t dickride Big Blue and imbue him with plot armor, Luthor would be much more successful.
What a great choice for a video! I genuinely look forward to your new ones!
Thanks for making this, I had requested it in some of your previous videos and was so happy that you finally made it, as always well composed video. I personally view what ozymandias did as an evil act that stemmed from "good" motivations. Although ozymandias's ego played a large role in his decision, he truly believed that what he was doing was the right thing to do unlike other villains who commit evil acts for money or power. Despite this there is no way to defend mass murder but only to reason out the motivations behind it. Ozymandias has always been one of my favorite villains (although I only truly see the movie and og comic version to the the true versions) and the fact that people are still talking about this all these years later shows how well written he was.
Amazing video. This analysis on Ozimandias makes me recall what I thought about Taravangian from the Stormlight Archive.
That fight scene in the beginning with the comedian was epic!, the way it was filmed.
I don't know how the actor didn't get more roles after that! I freaking love that movie!
Yes! So glad you're covering this character!
You are truly the best vile! Amazing analyzation of pop cultures most interesting and misunderstood villains.
Thanks you for all the hours you put in!
This guy beyond deserves to be on this list.
Finally, he made it! Great video!
Another fantastic video, thank you very much for all of the time and effort you pour into these, Vile!!
I love how thorough you are with the characters that you do like every one of the episodes I watch I mean my God you are so with the research the in-depth character development I mean it's insane like you have to have a PhD in like psychology or something either way incredible work keep up the awesome videos and I look forward to watching more in the future
On the Japan analogy: would they have eventually surrendered had we not dropped the a-bombs? Maybe. Eventually. But consider this: after the first bomb, which wrought unprecedented death and destruction in a single event that Japan - or the entire world - had ever seen, they still didn’t surrender. Even after *that* . It took two of those bombs to force them to surrender. This proves that it literally took more than an atomic bomb to get them to surrender. So what does that say about any other available method? Nuclear and atomic warfare are horrible and I hope the Earth never sees that again. Those events were horrible. I wish they hadn’t happened. I wish all those people hadn’t died. But it does make you question how many thousands or millions more would have died had those bombs not been dropped. Anyway, I liked this video, very thought-provoking.
They didn't surrender because they had no idea the first blast even happened until shortly before the second one came. Hiroshima got completely destroyed with a single blast, a level of destruction never before seen, leaving no way for the survivors to communicate with central command.
I do believe the nukes were necessary. Pre-nuke Japan was capable of evils that would make the SS high command blush. It's a shame the americans didn't obliterate a military target instead of 2 civilian centers though.
@@junko4166 they were military targets, they produced military goods. Civilians were given pamphlets via airdrop to evacuate from the US.
Not so fun fact, Japan only surrendered because they didnt know how many more of those they had, they taught that US had hundreds of those and were in the proces of debating surrender when they found out about the second bomb, whitch solidified
Even after the second bomb was dropped there was a planned coup of the emperor to avert the shame of surrendering. Many high ranking officials and even the Japanese people would have rather died than surrender. It would have been a very long and bloody path had they chose not to drop those bombs, make no mistake.
Bullshit I say.
The blockade was working. Nothing was reaching the island of Japan.
The air space was entirely in American control. The skies were completely free of resistance so that bombings and firebombs went on uninterrupted.
You tell me how an enemy with no means to fight, no means of sustenance for their army let alone their people, and constant air raids on military and civilian targets are going to pose a threat to an invasion of Japan, if an invasion were even necessary.
Even US military leaders disagreed with the usage of the nuclear weapons. They weren’t necessary.
People have been selling this for decades and when I heard it, I could smell the bullshit as a teenager.
It was a political move. That’s it. Americans can lie to themselves all day everyday.
Nuclear proliferation. Non state organizations and terrorists getting their hands on nuclear weapons.
What a world we are living in today. Worth it? Hah.
Should have kept that fucking genie in the lamp.
Your greatest challenge still remains: Vic Mackey, from The Shield.
You always do an in depth analysis of all your character, as usual great content & love your work
I really appreciate that you meticulously go over every single relevant piece of media related to the villain being examined. And that you always start your first sentence in lip-sync with the villian :D
you should do one on johan liebert
One thing I love about moores depiction is although Adrian is a narcissist moore doesn’t depict him as such. He shows Adrian from Adrians perspective which I think is one of the biggest reasons people love debating about this character
Thank you so much for this video Ozymandias has always been a very interesting and complex character that I can’t help but like
I haven't visited your channel for about 6 months now and when I come back I see even more followers, and more amazing content! Im happy to see your success. I have learned a lot from your channel! Not to mention, its entertaining as hell!
The greatest comic book villain ever, and by quite some distance. Not many villains are able to convey their beliefs in such a compelling way and to the extent that the ‘heroes’ feel they have to let him go because taking his victory away from him would make the world a worse place, despite him essentially murdering millions in cold blood.
His ideology is actually driven be a sense of righteousness and is molded by his environment, where human life is seen as cheap and he believes humanity is doomed to apocalypse if left to its own devices.
He is a total piece of shit morally, but he’s acting rational within the framework world leaders operate in. His actions aren’t that different to the atomic bombings of Japan, 100,000s killed to save millions.
Fantastic character and not one we’ll ever see in stuff like the MCU.
The difference though is that the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't the reasons why Imperial Japan surrendered. The monarchy and nobility of Imperial Japan didn't give a single iota of a shit about the people lost in Hiroshima and Nagasaki because the vast majority of them were poor people and peasants, who the Imperial Japan monarchy saw as unimportant as ants. They would've gladly sacrificed millions of Japanese peasants into the meat grinder if it would allow Imperial Japan a victory. That is how canyon wide the socioeconomic gap between the leaders of Japan and the people of Japan were. The real reason that Imperial Japan surrendered was because of their losing naval battles against Soviet Russia. When their naval loss to Soviet Russia was inevitable, that's when Imperial Japan threw in the towel. Imperial Japan simply used the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as the quote "official" reason why they surrendered rather than their naval loss to Russia because they could at least portray themselves as a victim with the former. Had America not dropped the nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki but instead simply helped Russia crush the Imperial Japanese forces over air and sea, then Imperial Japan would've surrendered all the same.
You literally described Thanos to a T from the MCU
@@94462 Right, but that version of Thanos was created in the last 10 years. Original Thanos was just in love with Death and wanted to show his love by killing half the universe.
Well said sir
A fellow fe player 👏🏿👀
This was a beautiful analysis of a fascinating character, great job as usual!
For further consideration: Angel Eyes from The Good The Bad and The Ugly, Indio from For a A Few Dollars More and Jack Meriddew from Lord of the Flies
Jack Merridew is especially interesting! However, I’d like to add two more to the list from some of those very works:
Tuco, from the Good The Bad and The Ugly
And
Roger from Lord of the Flies
From what I recall, Roger makes Jack look like a sweetheart by the end of that extremely disturbing novel.
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Somehow I could never really see Tuco as evil, he is more of a anti-villain or anti-hero in my eyes, but he could be an interesting character to analyse either way!
Yeah Roger is a really interesting counterpart to Jack. If Jack represents the Stalins of the world, Roger represents the Ted Bundys. Lord of the Flies and the Inner Darkness of Man as a whole could just get its own video really haha!
I love your videos absolutely never disappoints and I'm happy to see I'm not alone in it. I hope even more come to enjoy.
I literally was just thinking about him yesterday.
I was thinking of you as well ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
For the final season of better call Saul analyze chuck McGill
Best villains are always the ones that are right in their beliefs but wrong in their methods!
Love your work btw. I haven’t had a chance to watch thru all of this yet, but I feel a video on The Comedian would be a great companion piece to this.
Hey OMG. I am so stoked and happy that you chose Ozymandias. When I looked on there and saw that you actually did it I couldn’t believe it I was ecstatic!! So I wanted to say thank you so much that means a lot to me so thank you Vile eye !! you’re the bomb. I absolutely enjoyed here in your take and your voice on one of the coolest villains in my opinion ever it made my whole week bro thank you!
You should do Verbal Kent from The Usual Suspects
Hello, and welcome to todays episode of analyzing evil. Featuring: The Vile Eye from youtube.
I have been waiting for this one too!
Been waiting for this one.
Love your work.
Would like to see your interpretation of the Villian(s) in the Count of Monte Cristo. There are four or five characters whose actions might be interesting to examine.
Count Fernand Mondego - Best Friend & Jealous Betrayer
Danglars - Conspiracy Architect
Gerard de Villefort - Corrupt Magistrate
Armand Dorleac - Prison Warden
The main character, Edmund Dantes, could be considered evil as well due to the extreme measures he undertakes & the collateral damage he leaves on his quest to exact revenge upon those listed above.
One of my favorite books honestly I was totally with all his revenge till he made the dad of the women he liked go literally mad. But also he still deserves it and just because you have close relationships with others shouldn’t mean you can’t be punished.
The version from the series was scarier, Zack's version was cold but not overly sociopathic like the Jeremy Irons take on the character. I should really get to reading the books. I would still love a take on the Akatsuki and Itachi Uchiha from the Naruto manga and anime series. Loved this one.
I love how Irons characterized him as someone with such an ego that he doesn't care for others, it makes you far more scared and makes him more tetric
Na the obe from the series is not ozy
Thank you so much been waiting on this one I even requested a while back
I'm glad you added the events of Doomsday Clock to this. I loved that story arc.
This channel rules!!! What a great pick. I am still waiting on *Lex Luthor from Smallville, Thulsa Doom from Conan the Barbarian, Zeke and Eren Yeager from Attack on Titan, Sauron from Lord of the Rings and Magneto from X-men*
It's about time we got this guy.
I love how the music in each video fits with each villain
Oh I've been asking for this gem since forever!
Can you do an analyzing evil for homelander
And Titan or Tighten from MegaMind.
HOLY SHIT HE FULFILLED MY REQUEST THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!
Ozymandius is one of my two favorite characters from the Watchmen universe. I was really glad that you used other media rather than just the original comics.
For a future video, I hope you’ll analyze Jason Voorhees since you’ve already analyzed most the other iconic horror villains.
I loved the movie, I’ve rewatched it a dozen times, never gets old.
One of the things that you are leaving out of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings is Truman. He originally did not want to use the bombs on Japan. What changed his mind was not just the perceived amount of American or Japanese lives saved, but the Soviet Union joining the battle. Unlike FDR, Truman did not trust Stalin. He did not want Japan to be split up in the same manner as Germany. The bombs were dropped in succession because the Soviet Union was about to have troops land in Japan. He felt if Japan surrendered before these troops arrived, Stalin would have no grounds to have any say about what to do with Japan. The distrust between USA and the USSR started earlier than people would usually think. While Veidt's cause was for global peace; Truman's was to protect the US from Stalin.
I think in addition to this there was the pressure that if he would have gone forward with an invasion of Japan when we had already spent all the time and research on the creation of the nuclear bomb, the public would have blamed him for every additional american life lost in the effort. not to mention the fact that the war had been going on for years and people wanted it to end, any perceived undue exacerbation or less potent half measure may have been met with derision and scorn.
not to say what truman did was right, just that it's kind of an insane position to be in. food for thought.
There was also the Japanese Code of the Samurai. The Japanese at the time saw it as dishonorable to surrender and would in fact kill themselves before surrendering to their opponent. This naturally would make for a ruthless opponent
This is a complete bullshit.
First of all, Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings were conducted on 6 and 9 of August, while Soviet union joined war on pacific on 9 of August with a start of Manchurian offensive operation. This operation was on the territories of modern day Mongolia and China and was the only Soviet offensive against Japan. It lasted from 9th August to 2nd of Setember and ended when Japan surrendered to Allies.
Second, Germnany at the time was occupied by Allied Forces and splitting it into two wasn't a thing until 1949.
@@Fedorchik1536 That was the reason on August 6 and August 9 the bombs were dropped. He didn’t want the Soviet union joining the war. Even though Germany wasn’t split up until later, it still had Soviet occupation. I saw it on the History Channel.
I'm sorry, but this is hogwash. The D-Day landings comprised of 5,000 landing craft. The Soviet Union had 100 landing craft in total, given to them by the lend-lease act. The Soviet's pacific fleet consisted of measly 15 destroyers and 2 cruisers. They also had no naval invasion doctrine established in their military code. Simply put, the Soviets had no feasible way of making it to Japan unless it was on American vessels, meaning America was in the driver's seat when it came to the invasion. The A-bombs were dropped because Truman knew he had no chance of winning reelection if one million American soldiers died invading Japan (based on estimates given to him by the military command), and the public later found out he had a secret weapon he decided not to use. Don't look for conspiracies when there are none
Do judge doom from who framed Roger Rabbit
Ozymandias is basically Moore take on Lex Luthor, hell, even in the Prequels books, they frame the death of his parents and the death of his secretary as suspicious, even Adrian stating that the death of his secretary was needed sacrifice, but Adrian not began to fight crime for the goodness of his heart, but because the murder of his lover, the only woman that he ever loved.
Is not lex Luthor
Is a subvert of the evil genius from the superhero comics in general
@@SubZero-hs9xc The problem with that The Watchmen originally was going to be a DC comic, with Batman, Superman and other superheroes, but DC rejected the idea so Moore created his own heroes, the only analogue that come to mind for Qzymandias is Lex Luthor, hell, DC Comics did this New 52, were Lex united the Justice League for a while, but of course, the old guard was piss off because they ruined their nice fantasy of the paragon of justice Superman, even that they didn't change the status quo as much, so DC have to kill him and bring back the post crisis Superman but now playing a family with Lois Lane and being a daddy.
@@TheKeyser94 no
The watchmen comics
Should have have had tge charltron comics characters
Like the question, blue bettle or the peacemaker and captain atom ( Rorschach, note owl, comedian, dr Manhattan)
And captain atom
@@SubZero-hs9xc But Alan Moore reference himself including Superman and Batman in The Watchmen, no sideline hero.
@@TheKeyser94 ho he said
That he was going to deconstruct heroes lije Superman and Batman.
Superman the super being like doctor Manhattan
Rorschach like a realistico Batman
But they are based by the sentinels
One of favorite antagonists of all time! Good form!
May I request an Analyzing Evil on Carter J. Burke from Aliens? I feel like the corporate piece of dogmeat deserves a video! Thank you for all you do! Keep up the great work!
Great videos Eye,
I would like to see “The kurgan” from Highlander.
He’s a cool character, but maybe obviously evil.
"Maybe"??
@@Yggi11 “Happy Halloween ladies”.
To nuns.
Obviously a saint.
I no joke thought the thumbnail was a picture of Elon musk as Wario lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Elon looks more like Waluigi to me, but I can DEFINITELY see what you mean.
What the heck??
@@DeathMetalDerf AYO!!!
I thought it was Dio brando
Great as always. Id love to see a V from V for Vendetta episode!
I love this channel. Your approach on these controversial figures is great. I would like you to do a video on Lando Millari of Babylon 5.
Bro you always get the evil people I want to suggest but don't think of yet.
You are gold!
Speaking of Jeremy Irons, you should do a video on Humbert Humbert from Lolita, the most chilling villain in literature and film.
Nice use of the Aria da Capo.
Everytime I hear it I feel so nostalgic and soothed. It's a nice tune and reminds me of Hannibal ^_^.
Yes! My fave comic book villain
THE VILE EYE 👁️: DO AN ANALYSISING EVIL EPISODE ON TIGHTEN OR TITAN FROM MEGAMIND!
Ozymandias was on some Thanos level shit. (Not the comics version who was simping for Death) but he actually thought killing millions of people would bring world peace. You gotta admire his ambition, it's just the execution of his plan than was messed up.
This channel is the greatest thing in youtube
This reminds me of the Kashyyk Rakatan Computer in Kotor 1. The dilemmas it presents, particularly the one about breaking enemy codes, deciding to save a city now or wipe out the majority of the enemy forces in one stroke. Another dilemma was whether or not to allow an enemy attack to happen as it would unite your people or save loves but risk your people overthrowing you later.
An Analyzing Evil on Revan would be awesome. More on his actions before and after kotor 1, as kotor is based on player choice, although the light choices are considered canon.