Why Retreating From Battle Was so Much Worse for the Republic than the Separatists
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- Absolute devastation for the Clones.
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Cis, everything they have look cool and look interesting.
FOR THE REPUBLIC!!!!
Video on how the republic tried to overcome their disadvantages please
FOR THE REPUBLIC!!!!!!!!!
last words of Commander Thorn.
Clone Trooper: "We are Clones, sir. We are meant to be expendable."
Plo Koon: "Not to me."
Vince Lumontad Clone Trooper: K bye
Then they shot him down over Cato Nemoidia
Then they killed him at Cato Nemoidia
Clones later: *Call an ambulance*
Clones : *But not for me*
Clone Trooper: "We are Clones, sir. We are meant to be expendable."
The entire fandome: "Not to me."
The Republic when they lose a planet: This is a tragedy of a unfathomable scale. This day will forever be remembered as one of our lowest points in this war, one we can only hope to drag ourselves out of
The CIS when they lose a planet: _Whoops..._
[insert clanker propaganda]
*lose
@@Degenevesting no it's looooooooooooooose
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@@dat1kid763 congratulations
For such a great action to your government you win front row seats to the new jedi execution, now how does that make you feel
And that's why destroying droid Factories was so critical on the war
Even though it was a planned war, I still like this era better than the Empire era.
PICKLED LASAGNA same
me too. dont get me wrong i love the characters and the stories of the empire but this era is just so much more interesting to me
it is hard for me to pick, but i have to pick the clone wars
Then let’s not even get started on the First Order era 😂
@@peterstamerra445 Please, that's already too far... Although, if you gimme a set of Katarn amour and a DC-17m with all the attachments, I could let it slide
When you call a retreat, I prefer the term "advancing backwards".
I think you mean "tactically regrouping"
That’s me trying to be optimistic in Empire at War
Attacking in the opposite postion
it's a frontlines assault in reverse
When you stop blowing into the party resonator
Dooku onboard the malovolence: "Those battle droids are expensive!"
Dooku above scipio: "Leave them."
Right like wtf
BaronVonDark Ltd 😂😂😂😂
He only said that to keep up the appearance that he actually cared about the war. That or he was just being funny. The only reason he was on Scipio was to give Palpatine control of the banks, once that was accomplished he didn’t care if the Republic took the planet, he and Palpatine wanted that to happen.
This always bothered me
Needless loss because Grievous can't control his anger and losses that would ultimately cost more than they're worth are two different things.
Something I didn't realize until watching this video is that Clones have to be raised, educated and trained in combat. Droids literally come off an assembly line. Theres a reason the Republic victory on Geonosis was so costly
yeah, because they landed the ships on planet instead of using the turbo lazers.
A clone takes 9 years, and a LOT of credits, a battle droid is likely 200x cheaper and can be made in minutes
@@gravytube4099 your right. But I just thought, something Clones had that the droids never would was experience. A clone can evolve and learn from his mistakes, but a droid does precisely what its told to. That's why I think the Republic and Separatists were so evenly matched. What the CIS had in numbers, the Republic had in training.
@@The3DW4ffle ..magma guards...commando droids...assassin droids...those are very smart very flexible droids.
@@The3DW4ffle Yeah, but the CIS could alter the code, or allow the code to adapt, effectively allowing the droids to learn, negating this advantage
edit: grammar correction
Clones when they have to retreat: "This is not just like the simulations"
I would assume Clones have also been trained to retreat effectively, so I guess it would still be just like the simulations
Just start playing the Dunkirk theme😵
Another problem we see in star wars except for the battle of Hoth is that for some reason most armies in this series do not seem to have dedicated rear guards or landing zone protection forces. The only time we see this is with the rebels on Hoth.
Plus with a droid army you can use it as shield to fight the enemy while your organic and vital people and resources are extracted.
mrcrippledman yeah the sith empire in the old republic used a lot of droids along with organic troops
The rebels were always prepared to RETREAT TACTICALLY 😎
Imagine having to carefully plan a retreat instead of spending every single unit left on harrasing the enemy
This comment was made by the separatist droid gang
Roger Roger
Imagine having to recharge
This comment was made by the humanity first gang
@@clone9159 meatbag you have to eat and shit that way worse
Imagine being able to be eliminated by an EMP.
This post was made by the clone gang
Roger roger
“Since we were on the offensive on Cato Nemoidia, had excellent maps of the capital region, and mobile infantry units, we could maintain a flexiblity advantage against the garrison on the planet since we mostly had air superiority. Our subterranean outposts on that planet helped, even though a lot were destroyed.” -CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
Is this just your weird role play in the comments or an actual quote?
Helghast7 yes
Helghast7 Yes
"Mostly"? You encountered buttloads of Vultures, Tri-Fighters, HMP Gunships, and P-38s, didn't you?
Clones: Well, at least we don't have to face another invasion of (insert world here) again. We took heavy losses, and I don't think we can last.
Droids: Let's invade that planet again!
Kaleb The Historian droid 1: hey, I have an idea...
Droid 2: that’ll never work
[moments later]...
Wanna see me do it again?
Lol me on Stellaris
"Oh you blew up that fleet or missile boats. That's okay here's a fleet of destroyers while I rebuild said missile boats with the space station I took from you next door"
In other words, CIS would have won the war if it wasn't for Palpatine limiting their power.
Caique Falcao yep
Do you mean in a parallel universe?
Indeed.
Yes, but thecis was created by palpatine and so was the clone army, so the clone wars wouldnt have happened
@@stastu6484 it likely wouldnt have been called the clone wars, more like the droid wars, it was bound to happen eventually and was already in the process before palpatine was born, him and plaugeis just sped it up and made it fit their demands, but the droid armies were already being built and thinks wouldve likely played out only slightly different except the republic would have no military
Random battle droid: We’re droids sir we’re meant to be expendable.
Literally any Separatist leader: Oh yeah you’re like... extremely expendable.
General greivous: *literally slices them in half just cause*
"Oh don't worry your replacements are already been delivered,"
Commander Merai: Not to me
By all intents and purposes the CIS would have won the war if Palpatine wasn't staging it.
Dr.'sorders That doesn’t matter since the droids can overwhelm them
@@chrisalvarez4575 That and the fact that jedi were shit generals. In a fight they're pretty useful but in a commanding role, not the best strategists. Maybe if they were only used as negotiators/envoys or at the worst, spec-ops.
Tudor The Wolf this is why they had clone commanders/captains and admiral to help them, very few of the Jedi wanted to be generals anyway so this was the best possible arrangement in that situation. (Palpatine did this to make the Jedi look useless as defenders of peace)
Without plot armor it’s anyone’s game
That is a matter of debate. The CIS wouldn't have such precise informations from the inside, but I still think that Durge's lance would devastate the Republic if not for Palpatine.
“Retreating is essential in warfare”
Stalin: No
If anything Stalin would say yes.
@@raptorreviews9897 it's still funny ! 😂😂😂
Are you referencing the battle of stalingrad? The reason why stalin refused to retreat was fact is if Germany took that city it would of been over for the Russians.
his tactic was retreating bc he knew german troops where underequiped. He gave orders to burn down farms etc
FelixLuna Stanlingrad itself, was not a strategic city (for the most part). The capture or defense of Stalingrad was a dick measuring contest between Stalin and Hitler.
The more you learn about the clone wars the more you get to realize, that without Palpatines interference, the CIS would just have wiped the floor with the Republic.
The CIS had the numbers, the logistics, the decentralized nature, talented commanders like Trench and Grievous, tons of resources and could replace losses with ease.
The Republic on on other hand would basically collapse with the loss of 2 systems (Coruscant / Kamino), having only a few million troops, no chance of getting reinforcements fast (a clone needs 9 years to be combat ready, the clone wars itself only lasted 3 years) and the Jedi being totally incompetent commanders at the beginning of the war.
A quick strike from the Confederacy at the republic core worlds before the Jedi could gain war experience and the clone wars would be known as the galactic Blitzkrieg.
Good news though! The Republic DID have forces outside of the GAR, albeit, small ones. So at least we can rest safely assured that the GAR would've been completely decimated with the recruits from the civilian population's mangled corpses sitting right on top of the pile for the entirety of the galaxy to see
Still noncanon that they only had a few million that was units not men*
Also think of the CIS retreat. Important stuff and personal leave but you still have to fight thousands if not millions of droids which never surrender, probably aren't taking prisoners and continue attacking. Keeps costing you lives and resources while the CIS attacks another planet a week later as if the previous battle never happened.
@Victor Nikolai i know that
@@halofighter111 even if a unit is a whole platoon(likely is a squad or "batch" thats stil 60 max per unit thats not even a billion troops thd cis had billions to trillions and could make them stupidly fast, and had a better navy. Along with many projects and such that were hindered by palpatine.
They had an army for every clone platoon. Realistically the cis couldve attacked more worlds at once tham thd republic could defend easily exhausting the republic in an endless tide ending the war as quick as it began
most drone don't beg or grasping for air when they near dead, so the upside of leading a Separatists army is that you don't have to deal with PTSD
Why is the first part of your sentence so bad, but the rest not?
It did not help that Palpatine had played both sides of the Clone Wars all for the long term plan of becoming Emperor and turning the Republic into the Empire while having Vader wipe out the CIS leaders and deactivate the Droid army.
Why didn't Palpatine/ the empire just take control of the droid army afterwards? 🤔🤔🤔
Because humans in the empire both hated droid and needed jobs so the droids got deactivated
Unlike droids, these aren't replaceable.
Droids are easy to make and they have a plethora of them. Clones are expensive and take a lot of time to equipment and training. That's how I role.
It's quality over quantity.
But eventually quantity beats quality
At least irl
While true, enormous amounts of droids will eventually destroy quality if we're talking logic. If we go with star wars logic though, good guys > anything
@@Hinokassaudifan1 in many ocassions, that wasn't the case
@@Hinokassaudifan1 not true
@@n3mezis979 yeah you're funny
So bassically:
Clones: Retreat now, for victory later!
Droids: If I am to die, I'll die standing!
The clone wars is if the Vietnam war was a world war. I think the CIS would have one the war without Palpatine. The economy of the Republic would have collapsed and the public would protest for the war to end.
Öntas Bülent it’s pretty much the Civil War with certain elements twisted. Republic (Republicans) are trying to fight the Separatists (confederates) that have already split from the union and want nothing to do it with it (excluding the slavery debates). The republic’s courts, in both cases, propose a truce to reduce the already extreme bloodshed of said horrible war. Only this time Abraham Lincoln (or Sheev) is controlling each side to rise in power and has rigged a republican victory from the start, forcing the confederacy into submission.
Yes but it has parts of Vietnam too it‘s a mix inspired by both
@@blunderabluez Lincoln controlling the confederates to gain more power? What the fuck have you been smoking
@@blunderabluez also the slavery side is similar as well. The republic while notionally against slavery didnt actually do much about it while many seperatists were slavers themselves and was part if why they were rebelling
Imperium of Man: "That is good. Retreat is never an option. Press on and obtain victory no matter the cost."
They will all die, attack them with everything we have
And if that doesn’t work just blow the planet up
for the emperor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@jacobgreene9073 if such is the emperor's will
@@chasespringer7471 our death will be magnificent!
And there goes another plus in my book for the Separatists
Count Dooku when losing Ryloth
“That is...unfortunate.”
The Republic being so disadvantaged only makes me respect the clones and Jedi more.
Despite being labeled as Republic property Clones are independent thinkers with their own personalities and beliefs, even if some of that is engineered into them. Clones have everything to lose in a battle. Battle droids have nothing to lose, they can be salvaged from their scraps, and since they have no sentience they suffer no severe emotional loss when a battle is over. In spite of being enhanced not to have Stress, most Clones regardless like Rex carried that over from the many battles he fought in, and as a result carry a heavy burden when they lost their brothers.
Battle Droids also proved more cost effective in the long run whereas clones despite being smarter and adaptive could be overwhelmed by large numbers of droids, and in the Clone Wars we see just how deadly the droid army can be in large numbers.
battle droids are at least as sentient as clones and they show personality *all* the time.
Len Kagamine for _comedic purposes._
@@lenkagamine4145 mostly for jokes tho
@@dalkay being comedic cannon fodder doesnt change the fact that they're clearly sentient in universe. Joke or not, its still canon.
The droids are sentient enough to do their task, I'd call that semi-autonomous AI. The large numbers start to count because of what's called "critical mass" in RTS, maybe irl too. A critical mass of X unit is sufficient to destroy any opposition, or inflict very heavy casualties on them. Droids can attain that number quicker, even if it is higher because of their limited intelligence and feeble bodies, simply because they're built on an assembly line and factories are far easier to deploy than cloning facilities.
As an example of quick facility deployment, during the hasty Soviet retreat on 1941-42, they would construct factories behind the front lines with whatever equipment they salvaged/received in unprecedented amounts of time. Often the facility would go online and begin production before the rest of the building was complete, that's how much they needed equipment and vehicles. Once the critical mass was there, it was a steamroll. The commanders were fairly evenly matched skill-wise and technologically similar but the economic and military critical mass proved victorious, although at the cost of completely annihilating that generation of military aged men and, to a lesser extent, women.
The dilemma in the clone wars makes you wonder why the republic did not recruit regular soldiers, human or alien, to augment the clone troopers. Yeah the losses would take even longer to grow without growth acceleration but you have access to a much larger pool and no need for a fancy facility. Institute a draft and go, militarize the economy and build more fleets. You could even use the natives of the planets as a standing army, or at least have them trained and with maintained equipment to hold their own/delay the raids.
I believe the term "strategic regroup" sounds much better than retreat
Advancing backwards
So if you are someone who knows when to retreat and do so with minimal casualties, does that mean your “Pull Out” game is strong?
I’ll be here all week
Pull out game implies you're fucking, not getting fucked. I'd say you have ass of steel if you retreat successfully.
@@bionmccool No I think this analogy makes sense.
You gotta pull outta there before you birth another problem.
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Oh, "The Struggles of the Grand Army of the Republic" in the nutshell.
Defeat for the Republic would've probably been worse without the Clone Army since the citizens would be outraged and demand an armistice since their own citizens are bleeding and dying en mass even when a victory is won. Also is a video on the logistics of the Clone Wars possible?
Showing the enemy your back is a prime target, and moving back and giving up land sound as bad it sounds. There always be a need to fall back or retreat, but there has to be a combine arms into protecting your forces. For example, the ground forces needs air cover for their retreat, but heavy loses are expected.
Not much difference against droids. But showing yoyr back dehumanises you and againat organics means theyll pull the trigger much more easily.
Ehhhh theres ways to retreat without to many losses but sometimes it doesn't work.
The main one is a "peel" if you know what bounding is its essentially that but backward. It takes a shitload of ammo to do right though
This is so generic and meaningless it would have been better if you said nothing.
Why does it seem like all these futuristic worlds have a very hard time building large amounts of ships. They would have tech that would easily find the resources, or even make high quality materials from common materials. There would also be tech to build everything. Just look at how we can mass produce cars, they would have machines making enough cars as if they were bullets.
Military disarming? Like the new Disney Star Wars did they say that the New Republic forced all the planet in the republic to disarmed? I don't know anymore sense they chance things all the time. Mass Effect there was regulations by there Galactic Government to minimize how big a space fleet is.
So I'm guessing these futuristic world wanted to bring peace so they pass laws to limited the military build up.
Like during the Russan Reformation it effected the size of the Republic military. The Jedi disbanded there military and they movie to a peace keeping role, so military training they had was decreased. Things like forming attachment and lots of the critisim people had forJedi came because of the Reformation.
@@Underworlddream Yeah, if there would be a reason to have less ships, that would do it. Also makes sense why droids would be superior in the long run if there were such laws.
@@SticksInStilts many of the ship if not all of the CSI ship were actually armored trade ships because the Outer Rim was very law less, so they had to fight off pirates.
There large size was to carry lots of Cargo. There lots of planets who military were weaker then the pirate that operated there, there planets who are lucky to have a few fighters and those with ships were heavy obsolete and underpower. The CSI were basically the closest thing to a military or a galactic govement out there.
At that time the republic don't really have a real anti- pirate operation sense Tarkin Uncle and his anti-pirate fleet got destroyed and he chose to do create the fleet himself because he wanted to rebuild the republic military. The head of the republic at that time wanted to be know as a great negotiator so he didn't like to invest in Military.
Also from what I remember the planet in the core world were generally peaceful and prosperous. They didn't want to spend money to create a Galactic miliary because they did want to pay the taxes to created it. Instead they used the money to get richer and richer. It like how Europe don't have a big military because they expect the US to help them so instead they invest the money else where.
well for one their ships are freaking ginormous. Any given capital ship is orders of magnitude larger than any real-life cruiser or battleship, and real-life cruisers and battleships cost alot. Also your making assumptions given their capabilities, star wars seems fairly technologically backwards, while they're very advanced in some ways their automation and industry leave alot to be desired. Plus, they dont seem capable of making very good composite materials and mostly just use metal.
@@lenkagamine4145 If you can make machines to make fleets, it wouldn't be tough to make such large ships. Not making enough fleets? Make more machines to make them, or even make machines to make those machines to make the fleets. We are already automating so much, and these guys with a few decades or even centuries more advanced can't mass produce at least a hundred times more than us?
There are people who live in huts today, and people who live in skyscrapers. So, yes, it makes sense what you mean by "technologically backwards" because its truly accurate, but we're not talking about the people in huts having to build these fleets.
This is a fictional world, so there will be flaws, but my whole argument is not just with Star Wars, but just about all futuristic civilizations in fiction being severely lacking in manufacturing capabilities. Its just so cliche, and if you could produce large quantities of fleets, wouldn't that make for a better story?
There is a game called Planetside 2. In this game, in the future they made this technology where when you die, you are kind of cloned back (kind of like Borderlands and a few other games, but this game applies this concept better for the purpose of where I'm going with this). So the whole concept of this game is that there is this never ending war because the soldiers never die, and rebuilding equipment is also rather easy (nanites). It would make for an interesting world. But nope, I may be super advanced but I've got to make a death star by hand, perfect sense.
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"Retreat is an essential part of warfare. Though there are plenty of fools who will tell you otherwise."
Soviets in WW2: "Watch me."
Ik this is a joke but it triggers my historical brain
also Germans later in that war
as much as I would love a video about how they overcame this, it would be quite short and boil down to simply: The Jedi (and to a lesser extent the clones themselves) were just elite on the battlefield.
“Yes, but from what I’ve been told, a Jedi is worth over one hundred battle droids”
-the king of Toydaria, season 1, episode 1
I'm guessing that when I Jedi are on the field they are mark as high priority target drawing attention from most of the enemy. This Leave the Clones to take advantage of it.
Also notice when Jedi are leading the Charge with clones the Jedi become the main target and not alot of shots are focus on the clone. Probably to support the possibility that they are mark as high priority target.
I believe lot of charge attack are done by Clone, Jedi, and clone vehicle is because the Droid are program to focus fire in one direction so they are better at siege. Charging Troops probably overclock there AI so they have a hard time focusing there fire. Infact most Droid are terrible at close range. So Droid are always trying to fight on open field with no cover where clone are better at city fight and area with lots of cover
Now that I think about, the Clone War is kind of like the American Civil War, the Republic being in a spot similar to the Confederates (in a military sense) and the CIS was in a spot similar to the Union (again in a military sense. Basically the Republic is the Confederacy and the CIS is the Union). The CIS badly outnumbered the GAR. The CIS could replace their losses, the GAR couldn't, at least not nearly as quickly.
"Just like the simulations"
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I can't see the utility of clones for an war army, a clone takes 10 years to grow, a battle droid maybe a day. In peace yeah i mean they are less maintance intensive, but in war you are going to run out, fast.
Regular people take even longer to grow, so clones are still better than conscription. If your just constantly cloning new soldiers then you'd constantly have an influx of new recruits, just like how armies in wartime just recruit new people as they come of age.
@@lenkagamine4145 A clone trooper is a tiger tank, the droid is a T-34, google who won.
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Yoda, Windu, Obi-Wan, The High-Ground, Anakin
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You said the same General twice
40% casualties? That not canon, is it? Because there's no way the Republic would've lasted for more than a year taking losses like that. What most CW fans don't seem to take into account is that clones aren't just *slow* to be replaced. They're practically *irreplaceable*. They take 10 years to grow, which means the Republic would have to rely solely on the troops they had at the beginning of the war and whatever clones were already almost finished when the war started. Meaning there's no way they could account for the casualties they'd be taking, because they can't speed up production.
I've always figured that the only way the GAR would make sense is if the vast majority of it was made up of non-clones, freeing up the clones to act as an elite strike force that can be kept in reserve to be used wherever they're most needed.
That is unless you tell Legends until account where the Republic made use of Spaarti clones.
@@Samuraiedge2
I have no idea what those are. I've never read any of the books or comics.
@@5h0rgunn45 Spaarti Clones are clones who are bred and trained in under a year with billions pumped out in one year.
who gets more action clone pilots or clone troopers? that would make a good vid to talk about
joshmaster11 Pilots I think? it’s a nightmare to be a clone pilot in the clone wars.
I for one would like to see a video on how the Republic overcame this weakness. (I got a feeling the Spartak Clones played a role near the end to bolster their numbers so they finally had the numbers advantage).
Although I personally wish you waited a week to upload this, since next week I was going to upload the final chapter in my Battle of Jabiim fanfic where I try to make a version of the battle for the new Disney canon, and this chapter was going to involve the retreat and how the Republic managed to get everyone still alive off the planet by going to an unlikely source to provide them with the extra ships they lacked. So it would have been cool that I got out something involving retreats the same day you did. LOL. :)
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@Adam and Eve Well I only mentioned them because I remember Geetsly talking about them when he talked about 501st Journal entries and how they allowed the Republic to finally overcome the numbers advantage of the Separatist and push their forces back to the Outer Rim completely and winning several battles in a row
Obviously it’s worse for the republic?!?! They’re not clankers
Wow an underdog faction has more troops than there are living beings in the damn galaxy lol
How the hell *did* the Republic overcome all of these disadvantages?
Short answer: Palpatine
Long answer: sheev Palpatine
Sort of related question do you have military experience?
Most likely none of the star wars or sci-fi channels do. (Isaac Arthur being one exception.) But you don't necessarily need it to be knowledgeable in the tactics and strategies of real/fictional worlds.
Well, if you have analytical mind and have interest in history and military affairs (along with good source material to rely upon), you can reduce the gap (or even surpass) between you and someone with military experience, which is also useful as it gives insight in those matters unavailable if you only study the books
Hey. Anyone else remember when the discord was taken over by generation tech for a day? Ah good times. Also I feel that battle droids would be better as they are cheaper and I think that the CIS would have won if Palpatine hadn't of interfered. Another pro minimal human lives lost. Humanity first.
Actually, the droids were a stupid idea, the jedi wouldn't kill organic lives and taking prisoners of that scale is not exactly easy.
@@itstrick1502 explain the Jedi Civil Wars,The Sith Wars,The Mandalorian Wars,the Clone Wars were they did kill organic beings
@@itstrick1502 OK well. If you can kill a jedi then you wouldn't need to worry about being killed yourself. This is why the CIS should have had jedi killing Droids that used ballistic weapons. Generation tech KPOP. Humanity first. Save lives
Catvader2077 tbh if Palpatine hadn’t interfered the separatists may not have even existed. Palpatine did push Dooku towards the Dark Side (in legends) so he could become the leader of the separatists. Plus many other reasons ofc
@@LegoGamer5502 yes, but I mean like if he died during the clone wars like during the battle of courosuant and anakin and obi wan were a little less successful in their mission to save him. Also what if that ship that engaged in a broadside with the ship Palpatine was on actually destroyed it before anakin and obi wan landed on it. Many problems would be solved with that.
Other armies: Retreat means massive losses and heavy casualties for their troops.
Separatists: "We can rebuild them. Make them stronger, faster, and more cuddlier than ever before."
"Retreat" is to lower the flag at sunset, and signal the end of the duty day. Outside of that, the word does not exist anywhere in the army either in practice or written doctrine. Of course, we all know that is silly. So, the army calls retreat, "falling back." If you're an English major with a butter bar, "tactical retrograde maneuver."
I always wondered why the Republic didn't supplement their forces with droids, or the CIS with clones. Maybe it's just to make the storytelling easier, but I could see large benefits of the Grand Army of the Republic bolstering their clone forces with droid troops.
Fun fact: In the modern German Armed Forces, the word "retreat" (Rückzug) is no longer used. Instead the word "evade" (Ausweichen) has been adopted to replace it. I don't know exactly why this is the case, as there certainly isn't a huge offensive spirit in the military, its just one of those things that are the way they are and you will get shit for saying it incorrectly.
Just remembered that, when you said that people who don't accept retreating as a part of warfare are fools.
Thanks for the info. More Confederacy stuff for my fan fic.
China wants Taiwan and Hong Kong to reunite...boy sounds like the republic in star wars
Republic when retreating: I am never going to (financially) recover from this.
CIS when retreating: Oh no, anyway…
The interesting concept here is that this was likely intentional on Palpatine's part:
He needed the Republic to be desperate and look feeble to accumulate emergency powers and wanted to weaken the Jedi. This set up works very well to accomplish both of those goals.
WAIT WHAT!?? how did I not realised that this is the same guy from 'the front'
The word 'retreat' is a horrible thing to hear for any soldier. It not only hit the state of the galaxy but the morale of the clones would be destroyed. That's why soldiers never use the word except if the situation is completely lost.
Because Clones are people and droids aren't.
Why does the background music make me think of the PS3 home screen theme?
A Space engineers picture? I never thought I would see the day
Tenno Heika Banzai.
Death before Dishonor.
Attention Sargent on deck.
Logan K sergeant*
Tbh the more I think of this era the more I see that George Lucas didn’t think out any of it 😂 like none of it makes sense logically economically etc. plus he seemed to not know how big space was “yeah 6 million clones is good enough” like bro what 😂😂😂
Sometimes I wish the confederacy just said screw it we’re gonna take this seriously now.
Palpatine: Oh....shit
"Quantity is quality itself"
In my book, experience outranks everything
Could normal human recruit wear clone uniforms or they did wear something different ?
I believe they wore something different there were regular humans serving in engineering or artillery gunner roles. One of the death star's gunners was an artillery crewman. They probably wore something similar to the rebel alliance's uniforms.
Hardcase: "Live to fight another boys. Live to fight another day"
What’s if the Colonial Marines from Aliens were to fight against the CIS, Galactic Empire or the first order?
The Colonial Marines would all be killed except for one individual badass who would cut through the enemy like a knife through butter and somehow complete the mission without actually accomplishing anything.
5h0rgunn The OG’s of Aliens would kick some serious ass. Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez and Ripley.
YES! I loved this video dude! I love tactics. I love how you pointed out in everything theres a plus and negative. The only issue is I wish we could see more negative for the CIS in the idea of retreat. Though the issue is CIS had the advantage in almost everything. As you stated if they retreated it still was a win. They were able to waste time and resources for the Republic AND more would rally to the cause.
I guess the only negative they would have is prolonging the war if they choose to retreat. Which was (unless I have this wrong) not the CIS goal.
I wonder how well the clone commandos would do against the sith troopers
All of your videos just convince me that droid armies are much better than organic ones
"Reatreting is essential for War"
*Laugh in Wahammer40k*
3:03 is an excellent screenshot from Space Engineers.
We aren’t retreating, merely advancing in the opposite direction
This is very sad
Jedi: Discipline and Order were the keys to winning battles. Retreat is NOT an option.
Main reason is that their human clones not robots
I don´t know which of this two wars were more grim and devastating in context....
The Great Galactic War (3681 - 3653 BBY) from Legends or the Clone Wars (22 - 19 BBY)?.
Too much loses, too much chaos, despair, destruction and consequences in every corner.....
I want to see a rogue one movie set during the clone wars.
Pong Krell watching this video when the part about 40% casualties rate comes up:
"You Gotta Pump Those Numbers Up, Those Are Rookie Numbers"
Tactical Droid: But sir, our forces are still engaged in battle on the planet's surface.
Dooku: Leave them.
Me: LOL
And it is said by the end of the clone wars the CIS had over a Quintillion or 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 (18 zeros) battle droids in service. that’s a lot of droids! So even losing 1 million wouldn’t be that big of a loss. And there was 1.1 million droid during the battle of Geonosis.
I blame them watching too much Galaxy Quest.
(Don't take this joke too seriously please, it's still a great film.)
WW2 dogfighting may look cool in space scenes but you'd think someone would have come up with a better retreat plan than just trying to Dunkerque off the planet when things go south. Ahh, the ups and downs of theming everything off of WW2...
The Jedi "Generals" had little to no understanding of logistics or warfare.
The clones were not expendable droids. Droids can be built and deployed easily with little to no requirements for upkeep aside from self-maintenance and power.
Clones required life support, food, water, bio-medical attention, costly and lengthy training, rest periods ect.
The CIS used droids as expendable as losing troops was simply a matter of money as they had the materiel. Armor isn't a big deal when made of metal and parts can be reused and programming/memories can be backed up an retrieved.
If the republic wasted clones, it was at least 5-10 years of lost time and resources in addition to money.
The Jedi should never have been generals, commanders with similar rank to the clone commanders mabe, but not overall generals.
I never understood why the CIS, with a 4 to 1 advantage, didnt kamikaze the republic fleet?
If the CIS had overwhelming numbers and the element of surprise on their side why did they retreat from the Battle of Coruscant? Sure G. Grievous' ship was destroyed, Dooku was killed and the Jedi retrieved the Chancellor but the CIS still had the numbers so why didn't GG press the attack and try to take the Chancellor again?
Invading a planet in Star Wars and in our Universe in terms of scale depends on the size of the planet for instance Korriban the complete conquest of the planets surface would be like invading Earth youd need to send a whole bunch of forces cuz Korriban is 16,890 kilometers in diameter thats larger than Earth wich is 12,756 kilometers in diameter if im calculating correctly say if the Galactic Empire invaded earth im estimating they would need to send a few ten million troops to conquer earth or any planet depending on the size of the planet i could be wrong but its just my opinion.
To evacuate the allied army from Dunkerque, roughly 80 000 men ; mostly french, were left behind to slow down the enemy's advance ; and earn as much time as possible to allow the retreat. . . Rougly half of the defenders were killed, and the other half, captured. All material left behind was seized and used for the Nazi war effort ; and prisonners were sent to work camps.
This illustrate very well at wich cost a hasty retreat can come to
When CIS retreats, they only need to evacuate living commanders, every robot can be abandoned or destroyed because CIS has quite a lot.
But for the Grand Republic Army, it is another story.
The brutality of their leaders allowed the CIS put their defeats to political use as well. For instance, when it became clear that the Republic was going to liberate Ryloth, Dooku ordered Wat Tambor to bomb villages so that its citizens would still suffer, illustrating the cost of a Republic victory.
‘Why retreating from battle was so much worse for the Republic than the Separatists’
*Laughs in Battlefront*
One other thing is that healing wounded troops was pretty much the only way the republic could bandaid the slow production of their troopers. Retreating generally makes that impossible. To emphasize this, the beginning of the malevolence arc was about stopping the secret weapon from destroying a medical station which was treating thousands of wounded republic troopers. Definitely a big worry for the republic.
Me at work, on my way out the door, after three weeks of iterative changes to a project that leads nowhere: “I have decided that this venture, is no longer profitable!”
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