its harmless to a point, I think, but like all trends, we can't pretend they exist in a vacuum. For some people who are very online, internet trends are their main source of reference for how real people are (usually, this happens to boys, which is why so many 'gamers' think women are brainless). There's also the fact that if you repeat something enough, you believe it. If we keep calling ourselves girls and conforming to traditionalism, even if only for quick tiktoks, the more we consume and make that content, the more it influences us. I believe it absolutely has consequences.
Lola Young sang it so well “cause I’m too messy then I’m too f***ing clean” Why is it such a shock to the world that women are multidimensional?? Why must we exist in neat boxes and subsequently police our mind body and soul in order to adhere to society’s desired (accepted) view of femininity. Why have basic survival techniques become avenues for performance?? Like - no this is not ‘girl dinner’ it’s just a plate full of ingredients that I managed to pull together after a long day at work or uni, and I’m broke and haven’t shopped for a week. My inability to feed myself a fully nutritious meal every so often has got absolutely nothing to do with my gender. Stop commodifying my existence. I’m not just a girl, and I deny such a saying being a scapegoat for ignorance or stupidity. Don’t get me wrong, I love a doom-scroll occasionally but consuming content without critical thinking is a recipe for disaster. And that disaster looks like an impenetrable echo chamber. An echo chamber where our cutesy brains needn’t develop because our tiny little dainty phones have told us all that it means to exist in the world - to mirror and to align to the point where our understanding of ‘self’ is inextricably connected to the collective. Ironic huh!!
too many people fixate on the tradwives and girl-cores, and not the overall trend of gender essentialism being driven by white supremacy And capitalism And patriarchy. girl dinner or nara smith meal, historically speaking flaunting food imagery is a way of communicating wealth and status. there's a level of opulent spectacle in tradwife content featuring expensive, aesthetically pleasing kitchens. this is not comparable to the shared humor in girl dinner, personally, it feels too similar to other working class humor. simplifying the current media landscape to girl vs boy and woman vs man kills me.
i find it really interesting how most mormon influencers are women. Of course they’re selling their ideas to other women, but they’re also able to pull men into mormonism by showing a “good submissive housewife”. just interesting how the mormon women can seemingly sell the lifestyle to all, while the mormon men cant sell it to anyone (generally speaking). i love ur vids btw!!
Love this take! You’re so right, somehow women have more power in the “recruiting stage” but less in the real lifestyle. I wonder how that compares to missions - I know a lot of men go on missions for the church but will have to look into it! Thank you so much for watching 🩵
american men have been promised the “american dream” for so long that they cannot fathom that many women don’t want traditional relationships. so when they see all these mormon women momfluencers they project onto other women that they should be like that. they get their “american dream” with a mormon housewife.
About the ballerina farms: That woman isnt getting the money from her work. Her husband owns that LLC. The reason why she didnt like the article is because shes trapped and is simply trying to survive.
wow very incisive video. i found your thoughts on tradwives particularly interesting as I'm currently working on an essay about tradwives for my master's degree (with Neeleman as one of the subjects) and I've fallen into the rabbi hole of all things tradwife. i think your point about Mormon women being paid to promote the church has some real weight behind it and points to something very sinister to do with tradwives. in my essay one of the perspectives I'm taking is that tradwives (Mormon or otherwise) are promoting an ideological brand, encouraging women to give in to their biological difference and submit to their husbands. this becomes dangerous when you remember most of these women are monetising their content and therefore do not have to rely on their husbands as heavily as the average women in a traditional marriage which becomes more important if they have to leave their husbands, there's also the fact that oftentimes tradwife content promotes returning to a 'better time' when traditional marriages were the norm complicating the idea that this is simply a choice they make for their families and carries white supremacist undertones (although sometimes this is expressed outright). i think tradwife content is most definitely a response to late stage capitalism which women are bearing the brunt of. anyways sorry for the extremely long comment just wanted to share my thoughts on the matter. there are hidden meanings and agendas to everything we see online and people should remain critical of what they see on social media.
does this only have to do with “white supremacism”? other cultures also have a similar patriarchal social organization. like asians, etc... have their own versions of supremacism. something like the “yamato nadeshiko” trope is an example of the fact that non-white cultures have their own ideas that coincide in meaning with the american “tradwife” but, yes, they want to drag women into working for these systems so that groups of men compete with each other
True charlie! i recognize and salute how professional and unbiased you appear to remain because i would not have been nearly so "nice" or polite when talking about the wealthy scam of mormon church, though it is people like you who are not so rude about it (even though they deserve it) that can get poor people who have been so mentally abused to believe it to listen to you and open their eyes when otherwise they were told to stay away from content that insults their beliefs. Keep doing what you do and Hello / helLlo from Canada! ~ Roarr!
These people have this aura of grifting lameness around them that I can't shake. Millions of women in Asia actually live this and they're not exactly glamorizing it.
So sorry! There seems to be a problem with the podcast showing on the app, I'm looking into it and will post the link in the description when I figure it out. xx
Nara smith has literally said she cooks everything from scratch because of her health issues, she also has two full time jobs and has never claimed to be a trad wife because she's not people always put her in the videos and it makes zero sense
Interesting! I think this actually adds to the confusion about who she is and what she represents as I discussed in the video, particularly because these jobs she has are never really at the forefront of her content - she appears to the average viewer as a tradwife, which seems like an intentional choice.
Overall no matter what women do they will always unfortunately get hated on. I’m beyond over it I’m like actually being forced to just accept it.. which I don’t! Because it’s JUST NOT FKING FAIR BRO for us women for ALL goddam women it is NOT fair.
these are two extremes portrayed in the video bruh, most women fall into neither, we're just talking about how these extremes portrayed in social media can affect us, pay closer attention next time
@@littlesometin yeah as a woman I learned to ignore gender stereotypes being sold to me for profit by snake oil salesmen. be yourself gender stereotypes don't define your personality or sex.
I'm super interested in your thoughts on this one, do you think that engaging ironically with 'girl' trends and tradwife content is harmless?
its harmless to a point, I think, but like all trends, we can't pretend they exist in a vacuum. For some people who are very online, internet trends are their main source of reference for how real people are (usually, this happens to boys, which is why so many 'gamers' think women are brainless). There's also the fact that if you repeat something enough, you believe it. If we keep calling ourselves girls and conforming to traditionalism, even if only for quick tiktoks, the more we consume and make that content, the more it influences us. I believe it absolutely has consequences.
@@ribbitdraws1480 such an interesting point about repeating something enough until you believe it!
Lola Young sang it so well “cause I’m too messy then I’m too f***ing clean”
Why is it such a shock to the world that women are multidimensional?? Why must we exist in neat boxes and subsequently police our mind body and soul in order to adhere to society’s desired (accepted) view of femininity. Why have basic survival techniques become avenues for performance?? Like - no this is not ‘girl dinner’ it’s just a plate full of ingredients that I managed to pull together after a long day at work or uni, and I’m broke and haven’t shopped for a week. My inability to feed myself a fully nutritious meal every so often has got absolutely nothing to do with my gender. Stop commodifying my existence. I’m not just a girl, and I deny such a saying being a scapegoat for ignorance or stupidity. Don’t get me wrong, I love a doom-scroll occasionally but consuming content without critical thinking is a recipe for disaster. And that disaster looks like an impenetrable echo chamber. An echo chamber where our cutesy brains needn’t develop because our tiny little dainty phones have told us all that it means to exist in the world - to mirror and to align to the point where our understanding of ‘self’ is inextricably connected to the collective. Ironic huh!!
too many people fixate on the tradwives and girl-cores, and not the overall trend of gender essentialism being driven by white supremacy And capitalism And patriarchy. girl dinner or nara smith meal, historically speaking flaunting food imagery is a way of communicating wealth and status. there's a level of opulent spectacle in tradwife content featuring expensive, aesthetically pleasing kitchens. this is not comparable to the shared humor in girl dinner, personally, it feels too similar to other working class humor. simplifying the current media landscape to girl vs boy and woman vs man kills me.
i find it really interesting how most mormon influencers are women. Of course they’re selling their ideas to other women, but they’re also able to pull men into mormonism by showing a “good submissive housewife”. just interesting how the mormon women can seemingly sell the lifestyle to all, while the mormon men cant sell it to anyone (generally speaking).
i love ur vids btw!!
Love this take! You’re so right, somehow women have more power in the “recruiting stage” but less in the real lifestyle. I wonder how that compares to missions - I know a lot of men go on missions for the church but will have to look into it! Thank you so much for watching 🩵
american men have been promised the “american dream” for so long that they cannot fathom that many women don’t want traditional relationships. so when they see all these mormon women momfluencers they project onto other women that they should be like that. they get their “american dream” with a mormon housewife.
About the ballerina farms:
That woman isnt getting the money from her work. Her husband owns that LLC.
The reason why she didnt like the article is because shes trapped and is simply trying to survive.
wow very incisive video. i found your thoughts on tradwives particularly interesting as I'm currently working on an essay about tradwives for my master's degree (with Neeleman as one of the subjects) and I've fallen into the rabbi hole of all things tradwife. i think your point about Mormon women being paid to promote the church has some real weight behind it and points to something very sinister to do with tradwives. in my essay one of the perspectives I'm taking is that tradwives (Mormon or otherwise) are promoting an ideological brand, encouraging women to give in to their biological difference and submit to their husbands. this becomes dangerous when you remember most of these women are monetising their content and therefore do not have to rely on their husbands as heavily as the average women in a traditional marriage which becomes more important if they have to leave their husbands, there's also the fact that oftentimes tradwife content promotes returning to a 'better time' when traditional marriages were the norm complicating the idea that this is simply a choice they make for their families and carries white supremacist undertones (although sometimes this is expressed outright). i think tradwife content is most definitely a response to late stage capitalism which women are bearing the brunt of. anyways sorry for the extremely long comment just wanted to share my thoughts on the matter. there are hidden meanings and agendas to everything we see online and people should remain critical of what they see on social media.
Oh my gosh if possible I would absolutely love to read your thesis when it’s finished! It sounds fascinating! Good luck 🩵
does this only have to do with “white supremacism”? other cultures also have a similar patriarchal social organization. like asians, etc... have their own versions of supremacism. something like the “yamato nadeshiko” trope is an example of the fact that non-white cultures have their own ideas that coincide in meaning with the american “tradwife”
but, yes, they want to drag women into working for these systems so that groups of men compete with each other
Whoa true thank you for pursuing education and may your essay have all the scams busted ~ Roarr!
True charlie!
i recognize and salute how professional and unbiased you appear to remain because i would not have been nearly so "nice" or polite when talking about the wealthy scam of mormon church, though it is people like you who are not so rude about it
(even though they deserve it)
that can get poor people who have been so mentally abused to believe it to listen to you and open their eyes when otherwise they were told to stay away from content that insults their beliefs. Keep doing what you do and Hello / helLlo from Canada!
~ Roarr!
These people have this aura of grifting lameness around them that I can't shake.
Millions of women in Asia actually live this and they're not exactly glamorizing it.
hope this doesnt come across as rude but im 99% sure shanspeare uses they/them prns :)
Ahh thank you!
i love the way you explain things
you're doing a good job!
Yessss, finally someone said it!
the lady at 16:00 is creeping me out
You you please put a link to your apple podcast, I can’t find it anywhere
So sorry! There seems to be a problem with the podcast showing on the app, I'm looking into it and will post the link in the description when I figure it out. xx
Nara smith has literally said she cooks everything from scratch because of her health issues, she also has two full time jobs and has never claimed to be a trad wife because she's not people always put her in the videos and it makes zero sense
Interesting! I think this actually adds to the confusion about who she is and what she represents as I discussed in the video, particularly because these jobs she has are never really at the forefront of her content - she appears to the average viewer as a tradwife, which seems like an intentional choice.
lmao
Overall no matter what women do they will always unfortunately get hated on. I’m beyond over it I’m like actually being forced to just accept it.. which I don’t! Because it’s JUST NOT FKING FAIR BRO for us women for ALL goddam women it is NOT fair.
these are two extremes portrayed in the video bruh, most women fall into neither, we're just talking about how these extremes portrayed in social media can affect us, pay closer attention next time
@@littlesometin yeah as a woman I learned to ignore gender stereotypes being sold to me for profit by snake oil salesmen. be yourself gender stereotypes don't define your personality or sex.