How deep OO can help build chest voice
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- A heavy and challenging exercise that, applied correctly and judiciously, can really help to build chest voice and bring colour and depth to your open belt vowels, as well as help to fill out your upper range.
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Thank you from Norway! Very intelligent teaching
@@torgeirlandsend6707 thanks!
Explaining the excercises as you went with little asides ("La dee dah" genuinely helped, lol) was great! Subscribed.
@@JaredTakesTime thanks, glad it was helpful!
THANK YOU - GREAT job !!! I get perfectly what to talk about and show … Learned TONING in my mediumship trainment and just toning through the chakras and the vowels every day, taught me - by itself - what you explain, demonstrate and VIBRATE
:-) WONDER-FULL video for thooose willing to understand SOUND and it's POWER ! Blessings, love & light
Super awesome video!👏 Thanks as always and keep them coming lol 😆
Just stumbled on this channel. I really like your videos. I studied with Jeremy Silver for a while so I am family with the Stanley/LoMonaco approach which is obviously somewhat similar to the Melocchi approach.
One thing I am curious about - what are your thoughts on "support"/"appoggio"/whatever you want to call it. Obviously a lot of the LoMonaco/Melocchi students talk about holding out the expansion with the abdomen. But no matter how hard I try, I really cannot find any anatomical explanation why you should consciously manipulate your stomach/ribs/anything to do with expiration while singing. In my experience, if the sound is correct in the larynx and not being constricted in the vocal tract (e.g. clear, good balance of chest and falsetto/TA and CT muscles, tongue not stiff) there is really no need to overthink the muscular engagement in the abdominal muscles and intercostals. Anytime I try to manipulate these muscles, I inevitably just cause constriction or acid reflux. When we yell across the room, we don't consciously manipulate our stomachs or our chest or our back - why would we when we sing (which is really just controlled yelling)?
I think the LoMonaco/Melocchi approach gets a lot right, especially in regards to balancing clear chest and hooty falsetto, and most of the exercises are good if you know what they are actually supposed to achieve and how to do them correctly, but lots of people who follow these approaches end up singing pretty unmusically and with absolutely no balance in their voice. I think the focus on holding out the abdomen (and also the focus on holding the tongue and jaw in an extreme position) plays a big role in this. What are your thoughts?
Brilliant comment/question. Unfortunately my answer is less interesting in that you’ve more or less perfectly summarised my own experience with
respect to the same question. I’ve never found the magic appoggio breathing technique although I have found certain co-ordinations that, as an experience, certainly do strongly resemble the descriptions of “holding out”, “suspension” etc…as well as “bearing down” etc…
I spent YEARS trying to find vocal release through breath manipulation and only ever hurt my voice, just as you describe. But when my folds are well approximated and my vowel clear and deep I do feel a balanced sense of openness but I think this opening is just the midsection being sandwiched between the impulse from below and the appropriately closed glottis with an efficient vowel formation. The thought of keeping the expansion may indeed prove helpful if all the other ducks are in a row but it’s almost certainly not the panacea it’s sometimes presented as.
Of course, this is all in my experience (and in yours and others: I remember talking to another of Jeremy’s students whom I asked if the holding out had ever made a clear difference to his sound and he replied “no but that he just carried on doing it superstitiously”. The same singer complained of singing associated pain…). I still have plenty of flaws to work out in my voice and I may be wrong: but, as you yourself have found, that’s not where the evidence seems to point.
... excellent ... !!!
Excellent video! If I find this exercise easy, how much time daily should be spent on this and should it be gradually taken up in pitch?
If you find it easy you're either doing it wrong or you have a pretty strong voice *checks channel* oh ok, you actually do. Nice singing. Nonetheless, it's a strong medicine, take it in moderation. Try 5 minutes to start with and build from there in duration and in range. When you get tired, walk away and rest your voice until it comes back to normal.
@@thomasmartin369 Hey thanks for the reply and the compliment. That means a lot. Those videos are a couple years old and I’m still working through some issues. Mostly tension and slight dysphonia. I know that singing can be easier than I’m making it. Working with a coach as well as a speech therapist. I’ll work on this exversise daily as well as my others. I appreciate your videos. Keep going man!
@@JoshElliottMusic Ah! Sorry to hear it. I had muscle tension dysphonia for several years. My voice totally collapsed back in 2015 and I had to rebuild it from scratch. Like, I literally couldn't even speak for about 6 weeks. I lightened, lightened, lightened...until I had no chest voice.
@@thomasmartin369 Sorry to hear that as well. I think it’s more common than we realize. Your journey with that could be a great topic for a video 😉 Anyway nice to meet you. I’ll subscribe and best of luck with the channel!
@@JoshElliottMusic and you! Weeelll, it was a blessing in disguise really! I learned more about how the voice works from that experience than from all the books and theory I'd read put together! When you've built everything you have from nothing you learn to take nothing for granted, which is an asset for a teacher.
thank you harry potter
If I were to get a tickle or slight crackling in the voice or vocal folds on this exercise, what would be the indication of that? The vocal folds not wanting to come together or being “weak”? Or potential blasting to much air ?.
Ah yes, the tickle. Yeah they don't like coming together this deep. Takes time. Maybe just stick to a couple of the lowest notes and then come back later, see how it feels. The tickle can come both from overworking the muscles and from underworking them, pushing too much air through and drying everything out.
@@thomasmartin369 Gotcha ,
I received ur email, was on vacation for a bit and busy etc , will respond lol
I feel like I tend to be a bit shallow, or I’ve been working on getting and keeping more depth as I ascend, I feel when I get pre occupied with things above the “voice” larynx, such as the resonator etc, my breath tends to go past my voice and start to irritate it .
@@Cjay0417 Jack Livigni talks about this in one of his videos: putting air where you expect the voice to be.