BEST IMPACT DRIVERS (What You Heard is Wrong!)
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- WHY EVERYTHING YOU HEARD ABOUT IMPACT DRIVERS IS WRONG! In this video we show the #verycoolgang why everything you heard about impact drivers on TH-cam recently is wrong! Let us know your thoughts on the best impact drivers in the comments section below and which brand of impact driver is your favorite! We made this video to help clear the confusion around impact drivers and why what you might hear somewhere else is wrong because if there is one thing we know and love it is impact drivers!
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Was helping build a house today and literally had an issue with the M18 Fuel quick release collet someone else brought. I gotta say, despite being an old underdog, my DeWalt 885 has been great and the quick insert collet has no issues. :D
Thanks for the feedback 802, we appreciate it!
@@VCGConstruction We appreciate YOU, Vince and the gang. 👌
Yes! I'm also a proud owner of an 885 and that impact has served me well for a long time.
It's ran thousands of fasteners and never gave me any trouble.
She'll get hot enough to cook an egg at times but never developed a smoking problem 😂
802 Garage suburu v10 guy?
@@fredericbissonnette4681 Haha that's me!
I used to be a nobody until I used a Makita impact driver.
I’m a plumber and have all Milwaukee. But they can pry my Makita impact driver from my cold dead hands.
I’ve been on the Makita platform for 10 years as an HVAC professional. And the new Makita XDT16 is by far the best I’ve ever used. The many options on it help to keep me from stripping screws. I don’t need the most powerful, the xdt16 is by far more than enough. Awesome product.
I'm with you, Makita has the best power to weight ratio. They're usually lighter for the power and a smaller head to get in spaces. They're longevity and durability are awesome as well. When crawling in an attic and the drill falls and hits drywall your happy for the smaller size
i have a makita and i do drywall and when i use my impact goes right through the drywall use it for heavy Gauge only but i have drop my impact 6ft+ a couple times there good tools and battery are cheaper than Milwaukee
Was the new one still made in Japan?
@@chrisx5127Nope,they are all made in china. I have a cordless 18v makita drill,hammer drill, impact, angle grinder and a small vacuum and they are all made in china. And i have some 220v grinders,a big 220v vacuum and they are also made in china. Best tools you can buy to use and abuse every day in my opinion. And 90% of people i see on construction sites use makita tools,no one even bothers with DeWalt or Milwaukee. The other 10% use Bosch.
Japanese engineers create tools to last, everyone else tries to be the most powerful
I’ve had my dewalt long time
donkey ass reviews and do's That makita is DIY brushed stuff, there is a reason he bought them from the bargain bin..
Makita XDT16 is made in China. Dewalt is made in Mexico, Milwaukee is made in China. Kobalt either USA or China.
That's why I went with the XST01Z oil impulse, made in Japan
Hikoki (metabo hpt) is where it's at for impact drivers!
I use makita. Great impact
Drinking game- take a shot everytime he says" the reality is"
😂😂😜
Or "i will say this"
Shit? Wow
And take a beer every time he says "I'm no engineer"
Ok, I have no need to say something similar... Well done...
Warms my heart. I've been touting Makita for 20+ years. Power isn't everything. Using the tool is what really matters. Love your channel keep up the honest reviews.
Going on 8 or 9 years with the Makita 18v impact. Still goes hard and has never failed or been serviced yet! Makita is hands down my favorite still!
My Makita impact had trigger capability of running marine-grade stainless fasteners flawlessly. Survived multiple hurricanes. Worked for years and years in a saltwater environment. Dealt with extreme temperatures sand and dirt on a daily basis. Makita for Life 🤓
Yeah, being on multiple battery platforms does suck.
Thanks Vince from a common DIY/newbie in the power tool world who wants to “experience “ your world for a brief time I appreciate your honesty on the tools you show on your channel. I learn a lot from your channel and from your buddies..”let’s go baby...😊”..it has help me make decisions I would not have known without your help and other tool reviewers. Thanks again..👍👍
I've been through Hitachi and Milwaukee.. both had big issues more with the drill. I'm running Makita and I've put it through hell! It's full of concrete and I can barely twist the drill setting. Still running perfect! The impact driver is by far the most comfortable to use out of those 3 brands I've had experience with.
Makita used to be amazing when they were made in Japan, now they are in China and going downhill fast thats why your seeing less and less in the trades.
@@tmazer99505 Makitas are still good even the ones made in China.
@@tmazer99505 There are still Makita tools made in Japan, and they're identical to the ones made in China.
You see them less only in the US, and not because of quality, but because of branding and marketing, and a bit of peer pressure. New guys in the trades think the only pro brand that exists is Milwaukee, and everything else is DIY or off brand, even Makita gets looked at with suspicion
@@histguy101 exactly, everyone goes for milwuajee to think that they are a pro or want to look like a pro. Why because of marketing
@@mx-deadz i beat the shit out of my makita tools. my drill of 7 years just took a shit..
I bought my first Makita impact drill 8 or 9 years ago and use it every day, all day long . It's still working great although I've gone through several batteries. Makita had a real battery longevity issues with their early LI Ion batteries but the new designs seem to hold up well. I've dropped all my drills multiple time onto hard surfaces from one and two story scaffolding and they have always survived.I just can't seem to kill them. I used Dewalt for years but every one I owned failed due to some switch problem. I see a lot of tradesman with the Milwakees so I know their a great drill, and I think it comes down to these two. Naturally you tend to get locked into a brand of cordless tools once you start buying the more expensive higher amperage batteries. I've found Makita makes a line of cordless tools that are durable and long lasting so I've stuck with them, but truthfully I'm not knocking any other contactor grade brands because I've just stuck with the brand that treats me well.I'm 68 and when I was younger I remember the first cordless drills and I said what a joke ; I just never thought they'd make a significant "impact" on most jobs. Was I wrong.I bought the Makita cordless impact wrench and I can take all the wheels off both my trucks and reinstall with a fully charged 5 amp battery. Amazing.
Vince,
Your video also helped a lot of people (Home Owners, Contractors, DIY, New & Older Carpenter) on picking which tools to invest their money into.
Thank You
Thank you
I remember seeing that collet issue with the Milwaukee when Vince was facing Nick and the DeWalt. I think it was during the spaddle bit tests.
I absolutely appreciate the overall testing and result sharing of this information. I'm a new home owner and DIYer and the information you'll provide is priceless... Thank You!!
Thx Vince. Appreciate your honest no bs approach and as a Diy’er I value your opinions and experience.
Fair play to you for bringing this issue up and being honest about a serious issue!
He’s brought this up many times in multiple videos and to multiple people at Milwaukee. I’m sure he’s frustrated from the response of them doing nothing so he made this video.(I would’ve done the same) he is one of Milwaukee’s best sales rep out there that doesn’t work for them. He reaches millions of people at the click of a button. They need to fix their product and if not I’m glad he’s telling us to switch to makita for the better tool.
@@Yeabuddy720
I started out with Makita and the batteries just don’t last long enough.
Now all of my tools are Milwaukee and I have some Dewalt but Milwaukee is by far the best I’ve ever had. Never had any problems with the Collet. I use them all day almost every day.
Straight and to the point. Milwaukee, are you listening? From this video forward people are going to be reconsidering their purchases/platforms. Man up and address the problem before you lose anymore customers. Had I seen this I would of purchased the Makita.
Honestly your tool tests and raw streams are the best. Yeah its great to look at mosfets and engineering but I would rather see the tools drive, drill, hammer and gauge for myself what I think. When watching you guys go head to head and seeing one tool is only .5~1 second faster driving a lag, it puts it into perspective that it might be more important to look at other factors like price, availability, combos or if you already have the battery line. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Roger we appreciate it! 👍🏻
I was going to purchase the Milwaukee gen 3 Fuel impact driver, but thanks to Vince's several videos demonstrating the shortcomings of the faulty collet and Milwaukee's disinterest in addressing this issue that has been known for several years, I went in a different direction. Thank you Vince for holding Milwaukee accountable.
Every milwuakee I have ever bought has broken the head off completely. Snapped clean in half between the motor and gear set.
My 888 has lasted for years based on your recommendation of not using it as a drill, if I have more than two holes to drill I will get one of my drills. I am grateful for your insights and advice. Thank you Vince (crew)!
Thanks the Truth, we appreciate it!
I'm using Skil 12v everyday 7-4 in electrical and irrigation services. It's fantastic and more than enough
Great tools for the best price. Just gave my daughter the Drill/Driver and Impact Driver as a gift.
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@@lexandersantana8089 the 20v tools are amazingly more powerful than the older ones
@VCG Construction. Thanks Vince for your honest opinions on these impacts.
Over the years, I've learned that every company makes stuff that's at least works and maybe isn't the best when compared to others. It really depends on our experience. Milwaukee is really trying to innovate and get into the different trades like Dewalt. It's a real shame that Milwaukee hasn't figured out how to fix the collet issue with their GEN3 impact. Hasn't it been about three years so far? I don't have that impact so I haven't had to deal with the problem (I have three different Makita impacts and a Ridgid with no problems). Ridgid made things right replacing the chuck and motor twice on my 12V drill driver (the chuck keeps loosening and dropping bits). And Ridgid made that model drill where the chuck is riveted to the motor. A impact collet can't be that expensive to replace with one with better retention.
Hope you and your family stay safe and well.
Hmm...interesting, since Ridgid and Milwaukee are owned by the same Chinese company...so is Ryobi....
I'll take the Makita every time. They have been doing cordless longer then any other brand and I have never retired a Makita cordless because it broke. Matter of fact I can probably find most of them still in my shed in working order but I doubt the batteries would hold a charge any more. I recently picked up Makita's brushless 1/2" drill and driver combo to replace the ones I've been using professionally for the last 10 years without a flaw and I was wholly impressed. The drill has some real heft to it and can output some real wrist breaking torque and is likely why it came with a side handle. The impact driver is the best I have ever used and I suspect it will be just as capable 10 years from now. With the 5 amp hour batteries I can go several days some times before having to put them on the charger and I'm building decks. The programmable speed settings on the driver comes in handy because the max setting can be a little much on some work. The LED lights on both are great too. Anyone using these types of tools on a day to day will eventually drop them and we all want to them to survive the impact and I can attests that the Makita's that I have owned have taken dives off second story roof tops to concrete and survived. With my latest purchase I have only one complaint and that is the soft case that it comes with, (AKA: A bag), is to small to fit everything. There is no way to fit the side handle for the drill in the case no matter what angle or direction I may try. The case is to small. I don't even bother trying to zipper it up. Give me a hard case for my tools.
makita is the best!!! it’s like toyota doesn’t have much power like ford mustang 5.0 GT but run longer with no problem
Dude i have 3 fords with 240 to 370k on them still going strong and have seen 500k miles fords dozens of times. Toyotas do NOT last any longer. I know guys who work at toyota as techs and they drive fords and chevys because toy's arent what they're made out to be. No reason to buy foreign at all.
Jamibry! Watts 💯
@@jamibrywatts8378 except your precious Milwaukee tools are made in Vietnam.
@@mrbuddha5263 own 0 Milwaukee tools.
@@jamibrywatts8378 I'm only in the m12 line, other than that i'm Makita for my 18v platform
Vince @vcgconstruction your videos were the catalyst for my first power tool purchase. I went with the Makita Driver over a year ago because of your tests and it’s been nothing but a joy. I love the platform, but I’m smart enough to know that I’m allowed to have other tools too. I keep some Milwaukee and Ryobi, because I like them. They get the job done, they work for my applications, they’re consistent and reliable, and I like them. Your channel is a respected buyers guide for homeowners, subcontractors, and tradesmen. We appreciate your years of service and love supporting you!!
When your bit jumps out of that Milwaukee when you are up 2 stories on a ladder will change your mind about it being the best. I have seen an employee slam it on the ground the second time down the ladder out of frustration.
Awesome review, I am also a Makita fan myself, that impact driver you talk about did not ever let me down when I used it during deployment in the Middle East, it outshined all the others on our construction job site in a combat environment where weather and other factors played a major part, it performed flawlessly!
I have two battery platforms Dewalt and Makita, I take only the best tools from these brands. Thank you very much to your channel for telling the whole truth about tools and warning against unnecessary purchases.
Great vid! For me the platform is more important than a single tool, and I'm not a contractor that needs to have the best of each tool. But yeah I'm on the Makita platform and love this impact driver. Always been impressed by Milwaukee's power in all their tools though and almost went team red, but ultimately the range and quality of Makita's tools won me over. I'm still looking for an excuse to get on team red lol I'm eyeing out the cordless table saw since Makita just doesn't seem like they'll release one.
I started plumbing 9 years ago. I did some research and decided early on I was gonna choose mikita even though most plumbers either use the yellow or the red brand. Countless job later and 9 years my compact saw all went to heaven last week and today so did my impact. I use it mostly to drill holes with a paddle bit to reroute water and gas lines so this review is perfect for me. I'm really hard on my tools so it's nice not having to buy new tools every other year.
I love my makita tools for 18v, but I also love the Milwaukee M12 line. Both outstanding tools👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
Couldn't agree more with this video. Put the tools in contractors hands and you will find out the flaws real quick.
Dave have a real world question. I live in a condo and do not have a compressor. can these drivers remove the tires off my car with their torque?? could really use a way to do stuff on my car sometimes?
@@tcseacliff for car work I would go with the impact wrench instead of these impact drivers. I use the m12 3/8 drive for work and it has a lot of torque. I paired it with the 3/8 drive ratchet.
@@tcseacliff in a pinch, yes some impact drivers can get lugs off a wheel, but like someone else already said.... best to use the tool that's really meant for the job
Awesome vid VCG, hope Milwaukee is watching, my M12 surge in my go-to impact right now, that could change, but it's up to Milwaukee. Peace.
..I saw a bunch of 12V Milwaukee stuff at HD..what's up with that?..why would anyone want 12V these days?..12V was the standard in the mid-late 1990's, then it went to 14.4V..then, 18V became the standard..why would you want to revert to 12 Volt?..
“Experience is the best teacher"
You remind me so much of my Dad. He has years & years of experience. Sometimes he gives me some advices, and all of them come from the same place, his experience all over the years.
He's 57 years old and as far as I know, he has been into this business since he was 15 (more or less)
It nice to see the scientific test & all of that but at the end of the day, we can only determine the reliability of our tools in one way: Using them in the real world
I trust people who use the tools day in day out. Their experience is priceless. Thanks for the information.
The first time i saw your video i asked myself the same thing, is he always like this? Great energy bro.
Vince, you're fantastic! Some of us humans are asked if "we are the way we are all the time", and personally, and it makes me wonder what it must be like to be boring.
You have swayed my decision to buy a Dewalt, thank you for the info! Keep on, keeping on dude 😁
Hi Vince l love your tool testing.. I lost my right hand in a job accident. I look at all of your tool testing videos and they have helped me make well informed decisions about with my tool selection keep up the good work...
I have theDT04Z with a 2.0 Battery. This from watching Vince do a comparison about 6 months ago. It pushes 1-5/8 & 3" construction screws, 3/8" Timberloks all day as well as Kreg HD pocket screws. For more power the XDT16 is on my shopping list. Vince never lies, and I can't thank him enough for these tool comparisons.
Being a fan of kobalt. Im just happy they are up there with the big guys. Everyone i work with loves dewalt. I always thought they were over priced for the quality. Whenever they would use my kobalt tools they would be impressed.
I also ran a 12v milwaukee line. Kept a 12v impact and 12v wratchet in my tool bag at all times.
Kobalt has def stepped up their game. I have a couple of their tools. I brag about them any chance I get. I was actually surprised how well they function, and also their durability.
Wholeheartedly agree...my Makita impact has never failed me. In fact none of my Makita has. All day, everyday,
@hotrodd100 lol. ...many
@hotrodd100 Each brand has a good lineup. Milwaukee and Makita focus more on the commercial side...but if you want a good all around brand with an excellent line, check out Ridged
Love the vid. My Friend had Dewalt impact and when i started working construction he said better get Makita and i got one plus he later got one to.
NOTHING beats years of real-life experience. Thanks for your honest review! No need to justify your recommendations. People who want a more "scientific" review can go to those channels. Thanks man!
Am on the m18 platform but i agree with you about makita its the best one of impact drivers. I want to say thank you for professional performance of your tool testing and revieving!
I haven’t had an issue with my gen 3, 2 years now pretty solid
Good to hear! 👍🏻
Been running a makita xdt13 for 8 months for hvac and love it sometimes i want to change to Milwaukee because of the batteries but i feel like im just better off teal and stick with one battery setup
You’re my go to guy for tool reviews period. Makita is my favorite platform. it’s not always the best, but it’s never the worst.
"The Reality is" drinking game.. Vince, you definitely have a verbal tick.
Ive got a Makita Impact. Its awesome. Its not the one in this vid, its a step down, but it's still brushless and has the variable speed trigger AND I picked it up WITH a 3 amp hour battery for 80 bucks, thats a bargain.
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Thanks Vince -- excellent video, and you what you're hitting on is, I think, a critical point for tool evaluation in general. Manufacturers can jack up a particular feature that they know drives sales - but wind up neglecting others that are at least as important but maybe not "hot" features that drive sales. In this case - the XDT16 might not have quite as much high end torque as the Milwaukee, but in real world use it's a great tool for many reasons - AND has a fully functional collet that won't accidentally drop a bit. SO important to consider all the features that are part of real life experience in real jobs, not just the ones that grab marketing headlines.
I feel left out. I purchased the M18 gen3 impact when it came out. Im a commercial sheet metal worker and use this impact everyday. Self tapping screws, concrete anchors, and drilling with a uni bit are what I use it the most for. I’ve never had this issue...
I still love my milwaukee gen 3 baby ftw ❤ and use it everyday 💪🔥
Love my Makitas
makita the best
Just want to say First and foremost that I Love your videos. I find real world testing to be the best & I honestly watch your reviews before purchasing anything Milwaukee. I am on this platform & don’t see myself changing anytime soon. Now I haven’t read many forums on this issue so I can’t speak on the volume of this problem, but 4 of my coworkers & myself have the fuel m18 & we absolutely love it for its power! Only one of my co workers have had issues but it’s been with the trigger not always engaging. He’s now had two Fuels with the same issue. We build Rvs for a living so the amount of screws we run daily in my opinion is unmatched by most. I myself run 1,200 to 2,000 metal screws daily for the rafters on the roofs I build. We do 21 units a day. My partner has the Makita from this video and my driving power is unmatched, he can’t keep up. I’ve had this impact for about 2 years now & have been through many cycles on my batteries with zero issues. That’s real world testing at its finest. Even if I do have a problem I still have 3 years left on the warranty! That in my opinion is a no brainer. Milwaukee all the way!
Great video Vince I've been viewing a while and you care about us and our money we spend. Thank you keep up the great work!!
Thanks for the information, I received Makita Subcompact set as a gift and will be building on that platform.
I use Hilti now but for many years I used Makita. Makita are superb tools. I have four Milwaukee tools and they are all unreliable. I personally think that Hilti is best and you pay for that quality but you won't go wrong with Makita. They will work all day every day for many years. All our work supplied drills are Makita. 👍👍👍.
Dave.
The issue with the Gen 3 is what pushed me to get the surge and honestly its like a Milwaukee with a Makita feel.
Same here. Knock on wood, I've never had a lick of trouble with the Surge.
And it’s so damn quiet lol
Huge Makita guy here, love my tools, never owned the Milwakee. That said, my impact driver has issues with collet retention too after 3 years of moderate to light use.
ive experienced this only on the 2016 era lxt brushed. all my new ones have been much better im in the 40v models now though
Hi Vince, I’ve mentioned this to you before, in fact several times...I don’t have the bit retention problems with my M18 Fuel Gen 3. The only way I was able to even semi-replicate the collet retention issue is by yanking extremely hard on the driver. But by normal use, just pulling a a 1 1/2” paddle bit out, my bit is retained.
Want even more power out of your Gen 3 Impact? Then pair it with the 3, 6 or 8 amp high output batteries! I usually only run the impact with the 3 amp HO batteries, as I still get a reasonably long runtime, along with a nice boost in torque and power.
Love the Gen 3 impact! I also enjoy using the Surge, however it isn’t as powerful. Here’s the deal...I fully recommend purchasing the M18 Fuel Gen3 Impact, without a second thought. If you don’t thoroughly love it, then you now have 6 months to return to Home Depot. In addition Milwaukee has customer service second to none, just call 1 (800) SAW-DUST. With a 5 year warranty on your tool, you can’t go wrong!
that damn Collit lol, you da man Vince
Project Farms video was strictly testing performance. That is how he does his videos and testing, and it works really good for a lot of things, ex: drill bits, utility knife blades, etc. But for tests with tools, it is something you need to take with a grain of salt because it doesn't always relate to real world performance and potential issues with the tool, ex: milwaukee's quick release issue.
That's why I'm subscribed to both VGC and Project Farm. Both channels are thorough in their own way and are looking out for their viewers regarding what products to buy/not buy.
totally.
I agree with that. I'm subscribed to both as well. Great content from both.
Ave, VCG, Project Farm, Concord Carpenter are the channels I am subscribed to. At the end of the day though, my batteries and chargers are DeWalt so 9 times out of 10 I am buying DeWalt.
@Leopold I don't think he was trying to defecate on ole Makita. I remember one video he showed off his collection of angle grinders with different wheels, about five of thwm were Makita. Clearly invests his Canadian pesos in Makita
I bought a Milwaukee set with the 2804 hammerdrill and impact driver and one of my first experiences with the impact driver was dropping it from a ladder as I tried to catch it by the bit it just fell right out and hit the concrete with the bit still in hand. Luckily it was barely scuffed! Returned it and got a Makita hammerdrill/impact set for other reasons though.
I appreciate you Vince! You’re a great guy that’s really cares about other peoples safety and where the invest there money on tools! Thank you!
Just what I wanted to hear. I have been shopping the Makita tools to replace all my DeWalt. However, I was torn between Milwaukee and Makita. Makita was leading only because my favorite color is Teal green. Now I have an actual reason to go ahead and switch my tool collection over to Makita. Thanks for the video.
...If you like the "teal blue" colors, there is an alternative to the Makita...Harbor Freight calls it "Hercules".. :)
I'm replacing all my DeWalt tools as well. Was thinking about Makita, but may look more into the new Flex tools that just came out. 5 year warranty
@@NathanaelD makita is so smooth
I appreciate the honesty good job bro
My dad bought one of the first Makita 9000 drills back in 1970/80, I remember looking at it thinking it was just a toy ( it wasn’t and kept going, he used it every day as a house electrician drilling flat bits through joists until about 2000) when he retired and I bought my first Dewalt, the Dewalt didn’t last as long although it was a good tool and certainly a step up from the 9000, the 9000 was still going when my retired and he used it for DIY. Well I’m back to Makita and probably more for nostalgia purposes.
I’ve got a Porter Cable 20V impact driver that I’ve been using for two years everyday for remodels, decks, carpentry and a lot of other rough work. The the multi tool and drill driver aren’t as strong and shouldn’t be compared to the top brands, but the impact is surprisingly much different. I’d like to see a review put to test against the Porter Cable Impact VS some of the top brands. The impact definitely is the best out of all the porter Cable 20v tools.
Great video vcg construction I'm hoping milwaukee will do a recall on the gen 3 impact to fix the collar issue to help protect everyone
Thanks for this vcg. The bickering over brands is stupid. I run dewalts cause I'm on the batteries but you helped me avoid the 887 which potentially saved me money and time. You guys aren't shilling a brand just giving us information to help us. Have a good holiday season
The 886 is the last good impact they made. I sold mine in 2016 to get the xdt12 and last year I traded my xdt13 for an 886. The 887 is complete garbage that I ended up putting in the trash. Bought several of them and had issues with all of them.
Thanks for passing on your knowledge and experience to us. Great video as always.
I fixed my deck with my 20v dewalt impact driver when they were brand new. Actually i used it to screw underwater that was 6 years ago and its still working today. I actually had it underwater. I bought a replacement set 2 years ago on sale... the new ones dont work anymore...and they were a lot less abused then the old ones.
Another great and honest video Vince! Im a DIYer and watching you VCG guys the past 2-3 years and really appreciate your work, honesty and willing to bring out the best tool review that will really make sense on the user at any level and field regardless brand favorites. I watched loads of your videos (almost feels like i met you lol) and learn lots of stuff, and also help me take decisions on tool buying...Well done guys, keep up the great work!
P.S. regarding m18 collet issue, i really expected millwaukee to provide a proffessional reply/alternative fix or small kit after your reviews/raw videos,recommendations and contact efforts you did the past ~1.5 years.
My XTR driver is my 1st impact. I don’t know if I’m missing anything but it’s changed my life.
My Makita's have never let down, do their job well. Being using them for well over 12 years. Only upgrade to brushless models and bigger AMP batteries.
Same for me. I was given an 18v Milwaukee set buy my boss and they barely lasted a year, were repaired and went down hill quickly from there. Meanwhile all the company Makita drivers keep on going.
I have nothing but love for Makita tools they are awesome but I'm on the Milwaukee platform and regardless of any other platform have a Surge and I wouldn't trade it for anything, it's nice and quiet and it has low vibration and runs nice and smooth.
Makita for me because it's more comfortable of a tool.
All of the tests and reviews that I've seen came to the same conclusion that you did, Vince- the Makita XTD16 is the best impact on the market. I guess somebody either ignored, or wasn't paying attention to, the collet on the FUEL Gen 3.
I've got a Makita 12 volt and that thing kicks ass, even on big lag screws. I love Makita, De Walt and Milwaukee and have all three platforms. They're all good depending on the tool. Some are way better than others.
This video is the reason why I have been watching your videos and continue to watch. Thank you.
Major team Red here but the collet is a VERY AGGRIVATING issue. Seems to happen at the worst moments as well.
Yet the m12 fuel impacts collet works perfectly
@@jdmoores28 I commented a few days ago wondering this.. I need a new line of compact but strong tools. After hearing the issue of the m18 collet i decided to hold off on the m12 line until someone responds... it seems because all the liked comments get pinned to the top, us small guys will never be seen.
I like Makita for being lightweight and durable. Even though I know it doesn’t have as much torque as the other big brands. Plus it always seems to stay cool and the battery lasts longer.
Plus ownwd by Japan and not China
Makita is the biggest brand, they offer more tools then any other brand
Great video Vince. I believe you try very hard to let people know what's good and what's junk. You do a great job.
That's exactly the difference between real life users and out of the shelf sellers
I experienced that flaw before you even aired it, and just thought it was the abuse I'd put it through.
@UCaz9Dqw1k4BRpiux_wxtclw my first response to your question was, "did you even watch the video." That was going to be a dick answer. Anyways, the response I should give is, the bits fall out because the ball retainer that holds them in gets stuck open. But, seriously, watch the whole thing.
Makita all the way... I've had mine 14 years battery finally went bad
Which battery platform?
Even though I own mostly Dewalt I have run all of these tools in the field and at the shop. Can't go wrong with Makita. I do love the power of the Milwaukee though.
Lab testing is great, but real world experience is also just as important. Thank you for your video.
Makita feels better in the hand than Milwaukee as well.
I can say that Milwaukee seems to be made for those of us with larger hands.
@donkey ass reviews and do's thank you for your words they are correct.
@donkey ass reviews and do's Makita did not invent the cordless drill. Black and Decker did that in 1961, YEARS before Any other brand.
Yes, I've owned the Makita in the past, but they were stuck in first gear and everyone else blew past them in performance and they continued to produce the same old tools. Eventually they came out with new and improved tools, but they were and still are in a catch up mode. Are they good tools? Of course, I'm not taking that away. But we all have different needs, and we all know that when it comes to power and performance, Milwaukee dominates in that part of the market. Longevity? Milwaukee is also a leader in that arena, and I will also give a nod to Makita in their longevity department.
Where are these "false figures" that you make claim to?
@donkey ass reviews and do's Also, when you are using Any power tool, you should be using ear/eye protection. When you are on a job site and there are a lot of things going on, you should be wearing safety gear any way. So if one tool makes 2 Db more than another tool, it really isn't a big deal.
@donkey ass reviews and do's Power comes at the expense of control? Well, then I suggest you tighten up your wrist.
I started on Milwaukee’s platform from watching you. Then I jumped on makita when they had those killer saw deals recently. Then I found myself picking up the xtd16 and I have the gen 3 impact and m12 fuel impacts but when I need an impact I grab my makita xtd16 every time. If I ever have to drill lag after lag then I might grab gen 3 but you can control the makita and use different settings for whatever your drilling. It is definitely the best impact on the market
I have the 16 also and it's my go to.
I've had Makita's phatty XPH07Z brushless hammer drill for 2 years. It was a monster but it's getting weaker.
Found myself often reaching for a Ryobi impact driver because it's so much lighter. No where near the quality or power of Makita, but different tools fit in different situations. My neighbor has Milwaukee tools and they're honestly impressive and affordable considering long term battery costs and tool sales.
the upscriber, in addition to their 5 year warranty on the tool.
Iloveapplefritters, you obviously aren’t on Milwaukee’s M12 or M18 platforms and it’s obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about. When was the last time you owned a Milwaukee power tool?
Milwaukee has had many innovations in the past 15 years, e.g. 18V lithium ion platform to name one. How can they be going down in quality when they have record year over year earnings? They make great tools, tools built to last. I know because I own and use them.
When was the last time you called Milwaukee’s customer service, 1-800-SAW-DUST? They have service second to none, with the exception of Hilti or Festool. The6 are courteous, knowledgeable and responsive. If the tools been used and there’s an issue, Milwaukee will most likely honor their 5 year warranty (5 yr on most tools), unless the tool of course showed signs of abuse, then I suppose it would be subjective.
You say down hill in the last 15 years...compared to what. Give examples and be specific! They have had all new innovation into brushless, then their Fuel platform within only the last 7 years or so. I really think you’re talking out of the dark side.
Yeah, my first impact was . . . is a Makita 14v. I still love it, even over my Makita 18v. OK, so I have two Makita 14v impact/drill combos; now with NIMHs instead of the original NiCads. Especially for fence boards. The 18v for decking. My contractor middle son has plenty of Milwaukees for when we need to drive the larger lag bolts. Our oldest son no longer uses air in his mechanics shop. Makita 18v long ago replaced air. No need to drag a hose around when you are changing tires.
I use the Surge as my go to and the Gen 2 as a backup. I have a peeve with the noise and I luv how nimble the Surge is. No issues with either except a trigger smoke up on the Surge a while back. Replaced under warranty no problem.
Shouldn't milwaukee do a recall on the tool since its a safety issue. Oh yeah they don't care they just want your $$$
I’m pretty sure milwaukee would contest the claim it’s a safety issue...at least until gen 4 is released and they use the new fixed version to claim it’s a safety feature. Marketing/legal departments make it too easy to forget there is good individual people at these companies because of practices like that, but I always try to keep that in mind
The safety issue would be other people below you while working at heights, if your in a lift no one should be under you, I don’t see how the collet could be a safety issue.
@@muscleman369 It's an issue with every type of bit I use. Although with my collet, a quick turn to the right fixes it until you switch bits.
@@jedmook4460 your not considering something falling from heights and bounces off of something and hitting someone away from work area
justin garcia you should have 20ft around roped off that’s according to miosha regulation, the 20 feet mitigates for ricochet.
I am finding the batteries are as important to me as the tools. Yes I like the high outputs but I like the Bosch batteries best, I think maybe dewalt even has a similar size 4ah compact 21700 battery. That’s important to me, small but powerful. Might go skil too at those prices I can just replace them when they break
I have an old bosch cordless tool set ( 10 years old ) that has never given me any problems. The batteries still charge to maximum capacity, whilst delivering a decent run time.
i recently switched from dewalt to bosch (hammer drill, freak impact, and recip saw) and love them! the batteries even work with my dewalt heated jacket with an adapter. no longer a black and yellow fan boy
Justin man those 4ah batteries don’t feel too big for a jacket? I wouldn’t want anything but a cp3.0
@@Fee.1 I have dewalt 2.0 batteries that are pretty small that I use most of the time, but when I need the jacket on high for a long time the 4.0 are nice. the bosch adapter has a belt clip so its not bad.
Justin oh yea 2.0’s are nice especially the 12v
I used to work at a place where I was using an impact driver for 8 hours a day. I went through the Makita, Dewalt, Ryobi, etc., and they all lasted about 2 months average. Then for giggles I bought a Porter Cable and it lasted about a year! Surprised me. That was like 8 years ago so I know they are all different now.
Well said, On point. I feel like I'll thank you five years later after my xdt 16 makita purchase, n not majita
Thanks for calling them out, I’ve been using a brushless and for about two years I’ve been wanting to upgrade but I’ve been waiting for an update from Milwaukee but I guess another year
Damm i know Vince loves his milwaukee tools.
To say Makita is the best speaks volumes.
Love your honesty Vince
Awesome keep up the hard work VCG love you
I started a job near my old home before quarentine and i forget my skillsaw. I found at my father garage a 35 years old 7"1/4 Makita skillsaw He used to maneged and old carpenter where they make carved furniture and they used it like a table saw and that thing still working perfectly well.
I got my M18 Fuel like 5 weeks ago and i use large spade bits through multiple studs and i haven't had this issue, I have it no lock but once I re enter it, it never comes back out, but the collet is definitely screwy