More Fake News about Mötley Crüe!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ค. 2024
- Mötley Crüe have once again been hit by claims of fakery - this time over Esteemed guitarist and friend John 5's alleged air guitar technique. He says it's simply not true and if he says that, I believe him.
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Will you address the fake news that Vince Neil can still sing?
😂he's so awful 🤦♂️
that just makes me sad.
That's the proof right there. If they were faking it, Vince wouldn't sound like that.
I can. Nope.
No one dispels that
Regular Burt Reynolds pose that 🙂
Best comment ever! 😂
@@sooticablue1664 😅☺
Also known as the I want to lay down, but still want to stay awake (by having both feet on the floor) pose. 😂
@@DanielThureskog 😂😂😂
Hasselhoff
John 5 uses enough compression that he could easily hammer a whole Motley Crue song with one hand🤣🤣this is a lot of to do do over nothing
@@8thouseson
He missed the downstroke, not the hammer on, then air guitars the downstroke.
On the physical downstroke no chord is heard.
Plus the sound of those chords are strummed with a pick. You car hear the the string sequence.
Pretty obvious.
Imagine questioning the ability of John 5? Nice to see you’ve got his back.
There’s a lot of processing with some of these setups. A long time ago, Zakk jumped off stage at an Ozzy concert, ran barefoot to the arena cheap seats where I was, and from 15 feet away under a spotlight, I couldn’t match his hands to the sound coming out of the PA at all. It was unreal delay. Like almost a second. Or maybe just that long to get through all of the effects.
This case is fakery
That was latency due to the distance from his equipment, nothing to do with effects, the further you are away from the stage, the worse it is, he doesn't use that many effects anyway
@@MickH60 That's what I was going to suggest. Another thing is he was probably wearing in ear monitors which means he is hearing the sound and playing in time with the rest of the group no matter how far he is. You were probably seeing what you were about to hear a second later.
@@scotthicks1795
One thing everyone seems to be missing even though the guy mentioned it in the video is that John missed the downstroke. The Chord is heard BEFORE his hand strums. It's NOT the hammer off part. It's the strummed chord I hear that is not being strummed. John strums it off timing.
So first I hear the strummed chord then John hand strums.
That's not "delay" (as in: an effect, plugged in - or whatever), that is the natural delay/time-lag, from: how much longer it takes sound from the P.A. to reach YOUR ears (at the far end ...or anywhere further away, of an arena ...stadium ...even theatres).
I am sure many fans never pay attention to this, however: sound takes time to travel.
If you are further away from the stage, it takes milliseconds to seconds longer to reach your ear-holes than it would where it NEEDS to be immediate!: Where the band is playing (so that they can respond to one-another and "be on the same page," constantly.).
Yes, OBVIOUSLY, artists use: "in-line," added, digital (and maybe, even, analog) delays and other "time-based," sound alterations (flanging, phasing, "chorus"), however:
in essence, these are all modifications of: what happens to sound as it travels through a large space.
"Delay" is considered: discrete (and can create "loops" & other repeating oscillations), but all it is, really, is: a modifiable, controllable version of: reverberation [more commonly referred to by it's truncated form: "reverb"].
...The further you are from a sound source, particularly, in an enclosed space (but: effectively: ANYwhere), the more delay a listener will notice between: actions they can visually see & which they know are acting to CREATE the sound
and: aurally encountering that (expected) sound.
Why do you think that (for decades now, at least!): in vast stadium shows, you see: more than one set of P.A. speakers??
There are often more sets of mix speakers, sending sound to the areas further away from the stage, to make the concertgoing experience "more immediate" for the fans in "the cheap seats." ...and so people won't get fooled by their own ears vs. eyes (esp., nowadays, with massive broadcast screens -so, if you're NOT down on the floor 🤦🤦🤷 ...you, basically, paid $170 to watch TV in a stadium! ) and, incorrectly, think that "they're being cheated"🙄🤦
...if you're in the back of the stadium (even with "no-one" else, there, yet!), the sound will take longer to reach you, by a noticeable amount of time!!
(It's also why: the F.O.H. board is at the location it is - that is, generally, at a point before where the first noticable delay begins to happen (from the stage to the body of the venue)!!)
SOUND in vast space?? = delay.
Just understand that.
I saw John5 at Shank Hall in Milwaukee which can only seat 300 so no matter where you are sitting, you could REALLY see exactly what he was playing. I assure you that he can, in fact, perform such wizardry.
He is a great guitarist, I was a HUGE fan. Now I lost a lot of respect for him, he is FOR SURE playing to a backing track, it isn't even a question. Id much rather see him without Crue, it would be MUCH better,
@@ChazinFl1 Bullsh1t, there is a backing track for sure, everyone uses them, but it hasn't got anything to do with him , go educate yourself and stop speaking rubbish....
I saw him in Lebanon New Hampshire with Jarrod James Nichols. What a killer show! I was 10 feet away from John 5 for a good portion of the show. I was gobsmacked. Great player and performer. I have tickets to see him there again in September. My 9 year old daughter will be with me this time, she has been manipulating guitar since she was 6.
That’s not the problem with modern Motley Crue. It’s that squawking nonsense that Vince calls singing. What a travesty.
By Modern, you mean after 1990?
he's a victim of making it look too easy. that is what years and years of practice gets you. not to mention natural talent
Agreed totally.
That is so real, too. Like, I'm pretty sure some guy hating on one of my videos thought I was finger sync'ing or something
I think he plays too perfect when he plays motley it feels like it has no bite maybe it's over compressed? I dunno but it's perfect but bland
John 5 isn't faking it not so shore about the others
I don't think he fakes it I think he plays it too perfect there is nothing he can't do with a guitar
Anybody been watching John 5 knows he doesn't need a backing track... doesn't mean he can't use one though... but never doubt his skill
It wouldn't surprise me if John5 actually pre-played the entire concert in his mind during a nap before the show and then just telekinetically beamed his dream vibrations straight onto the strings while simultaneously transcribing 70's Hee-Haw banjo radio waves reflecting off of Kuiper Belt Asteroids ... He's just that good!
@@halphillips1775
He travelled to the future to play that missed downstroke,
I've seen John 5 a few times up close. He doesn't need both hands to play.
If john5 uses any backing tracks .. (rhythm guitar during solos for instance) it certainly isn't about talent. He is more than capable, so whatever he's using it isn't to avoid playing.
He said " pull offs" 😂thanks for that, Beavis, I mean Justin
Classic
There's a difference between using backing tracks to enhance the sound and using them because you forgot how to play some songs and you don't feel like learning them or because you want to jump around and focus on other things but your instrument.
On the records, when there's a guitar solo, the rhythm guitar keeps playing. When they played live, before using backing tracks, when Mick played a solo, you only heard the bass guitar underneath his solo, which left like a "hole" in the overall sound. To avoid that, you either need a 2nd guitar player or you use backing tracks. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with using backing tracks in this case.
What I don't like is what Nikki seems to be doing. Don't get me wrong, I used to have posters of Nikki Sixx in my bedroom, I bought 2 of his books, etc... but there are videos where you can see him stop playing for a second but you can clearly still hear the bass. In this case, it's not to enhance the sound but it's Nikki who doesn't want the responsibility of playing the bass correctly, not willing to make possible mistakes or he just wants to be on stage and ....be present.
John is one of my favorite modern guitarists. He's a heck of a nice guy, too. I feel like he would just admit it if he was using a backing track.
He was playing, he hit it on an upstroke as he walked out of frame!
03:04 chord already played and he didn't hit the upstroke yet , and when he does hit the upstroke and quickly downstrokes which is faster time than the actual lick
@@TheAgentAssassin Give up mate, these tricks have been done since guys like Van Halen turned guitar playing into a sport..... All you're saying is you don't know what you're talking about because you obviously can't do it.... Most bands I've seen since the 1970's use some sort of backing tracks, ALL albums do, so they use them live to fill out the sound, always have.... I could literally fill this page with examples....
Yeah I’ve watched it and it looks like he hits the chord on the upstroke and then does the little pick flip move and if you know how to play guitar that riff lends itself to that kind of stuff it’s hammer ons and pull offs and open strings. I think most people who are up in arms about it probably aren’t guitar players or they don’t realize just how good and how slick players like John 5 are. Motley Crue songs is like him playing in beginner or amateur mode in a video game. I’m not saying Motley Crue songs suck or anything, they just aren’t going to be a technical challenge for someone like John.
My issue with John 5 recently was when he said something to the effect of “As long as we still have Nikki, Tommy and Vince on stage we still have Motley Crue” which seemed incredibly dismissive and disrespectful towards Mick Mars.
Totally agree. Love to see what he thinks he’d be standing on that stage playing if it hadn’t been for Mick Mars.
But Mick Mars is not there so how is it dismissive to his talents?
@@Smart-Alex I didn’t say it was dismissive of his talents, it’s dismissive of his role in the bands success. Suggesting Mick is the only one of the band members that is replaceable is very dismissive of his contributions.
“Micks not here but it doesn’t matter because we have the 3 important members”.
@@detroitdabber313 John 5 always appeared humble and especially of thankful being part of the boys. I think his point was that there are still 3 original band members left, and the bulk of the bands core remains intact versus other bands that have a fraction or none (foreigner) of their originating members. Thats my read but to each their own of course.
Rubbish, he wasn't talking about "past success", stop putting words into his mouth just to have a whinge....
John has said it’s a hammer on chord…
In The Darkness you even do your own stunts!
John 5 is good enough to chord with his left hand between strums. Have people watched him play other things?
The chord I hear is strummed with a pick and he missed the downstroke.
John 5 is awesome but he clearly is playing to a track.
@@TheAgentAssassin Again, that's got NOTHING to do with what he's playing, he also flicks the strings with his fretting hand, so no pick stroke, these things have been done for as long as I can remember....
Sure. And even with no hands at all
@@TheAgentAssassin Play his demonstration back at .25 speed you can see he's quickly sounding the notes with his left hand while he does the pick-toss no downstroke required. J5 is such a band geek autist type musician he would admit without hesitation if he was using tracks. He's just so technically good he can do things people can't comprehend, his autist mind doesn't get that so his explanation falls flat.
@@TheAgentAssassin This, that doesn't sound like a hammer on at all
when i was running live sound, it seemed like the bigger the band, the more likely they were to use backing tracks. some local bands were almost 80% backing tracks and most of the work was in getting good in ear mixes so they could play along in time or at least pretend to. crue have had this said about em enough and NDA's are pretty hardcore in that realm that i wouldnt be surprised at all if he had no choice and it got handed down from management.
Your wordplay with the double negatives is brilliant.
"Does it really matter?" Yes. Yes it does. I'm going to see live music. I'm not going to see Milli Vanilli.
You don’t understand his point.. for stadium shows it gives it a fuller sound. They’re not miming they are actually playing along, to a backing track.
John is playing to a rhythm track. There is no doubt about it. I'm not talking about the pull off, etc
" I'm not talking about the pull off, etc" well, that's good, because you do realize a rhythm track is a backing track purely for percussion? Which, given the more obvious evidence of such, with the video clip of Tommy, being possible. I guess, to you I would ask..... Ok, and?
@@blackphoenixfamily8477 🤡🤣You sound ridiculous!
So ? That's got NOTHING to do with what John's playing, you do know the difference right ? Thousands of bands use backing tracks of some sort.... Sabbath were doing it in the 1970's, it's nothing unusual...
@@MickH60Well, I thought that's what the entire controversy was about. I don't think there's anything wrong with a rhythm backing track. I mean, I don't have a band so I perform at open mic with a track for all the other members of a band. 😂
@@MickH60 That's the entire point, and is exactly what the band keeps denying. Nobody with a functional brain thinks John 5 cannot hang live, it's the other 2 bozos in the band people believe are faking it, hence playing to a "rhythm track" there is literal video evidence of Tommy Lee standing up with his arms in the air and drums playing lol, that isn't latency or delayed effects or some drummer trick, it's just a backing Milli Vinilli backing track
I agree with all of this. I use hammer on chords and pull offs quite a bit. And I don't think the person who is calling B.S. is taking into account the sheer volume that John 5 is playing at. That helps. Hell, I can do it with a Jay Turser strat and a Kustom 100 at The Nick, much less through a bunch of Marshal stacks in an arena.
John 5 is actually a wizard (or sorcerer depending on the hat situation). It is said that if he walks into a room with a 12-string the instrument will play Stairway to Heaven in an effort to get his attention.
The Chuck Norris effect
Vince Neil has been taking singing lessons from Yoko Ono.
No wonder he's starting to sound better.
doubling up 80s hair band backing tracks is standard faire. They used cd players and tape decks at the console and what not back in the day. doesnt matter whether j5 actually did or not. he has talent so either way
Justin is a few puppies short of Hasselhoff in that pose.
🤣😂🤣😂
And before Justin and Hasselhoff there was Burt Reynolds. For you younger folks look that one up... if you dare. 😆
I've flubbed chords and right hand stuff live. Listened to the recording and it sounds okay. The bass kind of takes care of the first strum on this. He hammers on the chord and the high notes ring out. Now the other members. I'm betting they do use help.
I saw Motley in 83,blew us away,great stage show,Mick was on fire,that’s how I’ll remember them rocking boys,what’s going on today is a different band period!
The first two Crue albums are great. I saw them on the "Theatre of Pain" tour with Y&T opening. I also camped out alongside the girl whose top gets flipped up in the "Home Sweet Home" video, which was filmed in Dallas and Houston, to get those tix. Those are all the music and memories I need from the Motleys. I've been Crue-free going on nearly 40yrs and I've never felt better!
Man, Y&T doesn't et nearly enough love these days. They were far better than the majority of their contemporaries.
@@drewnelson3149 so true
I saw MC on the Dr Feelgood tour in Birmingham UK. Part way through a roadie waked part me. A few minutes later someone threw a cup at Vince. He had a strop, threw the mic stand at the audience and stormed offstage. A moment later the roadie walked back past us carrying the mic stand. Theatre, don't you love it!
'walked past' obviously.
Hey Justin... When people come up to you and say 'Hey Justin I saw the Darkness at the (e.g.) Cambridge Corn Exchange in 2006', do you find yourself trying to flash back to that gig? Even if only to make sure you were there? Or do you just pass over that info in your reply (if any)?
Could it be the delay from the player to the stadium speaker set up!?
If you have lots of overdubs in the studio you have to find a way to replicate that live. Many bands do it to cut the cost of having additional musicians to play the extra overdubs.
EXACTLY.....
The point is.. to get that huge fat stadium sound, to mimic studio overdubs they play along to backing tracks. Yet Nobody complains about studio overdubs do they…They’re Not miming (which would be worse) so I appreciate their attempt to give us that full same sound live
Like this setup you are very relaxed...
Yeah I know you play live cos a lady felt you up while you were riding on your roadie's shoulders during your solo at Warwick castle and you immediately stopped playing and shot her a look 😂
I'll never be able to tell when you're throwing shade. Isn't that like peak English? Every episode feels like I'm watching Spinal Tap outtakes.
Yep probably hearing the attack from the drums and bass on top of the hammer on.
Iron Maiden have quite a lot of keyboards on their newer records. But they are played offstage by Steve Harris's bass tech. They also use pre-recorded lead ins for some songs e.g. over Churchill at the start of Aces High
Let's just be honest, John 5 can do things no one else can do. So, if anyone could do it, it's him.
Weird how every time I’ve tuned in to a video from Mr Hawkins he always looks different
We like a tousled Mr H languishing on soft furnishings 😋
I sat next to Vince Neil at a dinner years ago, and the only thing that surprised me about him was that he was shorter than I was, and I am a tiny woman. I was never impressed by him, but it could just be my taste of music. Bands like Muse inspire me. I'm proud to be a tiny woman with a big voice.
He did appear to miss the down-stroke and the sound of the chord he missed isn't a hammer on, John 5 is an awesome player but he did miss the down stroke.
Your acoustic guitar intro theme sounded amazing on this video
And your hair looked really pretty too
Vince Neil definitely sings whilst he'd hammered on
Hey Justin, If there are no backing tracks involved, then who is playing the rhythm guitar while John 5 is soloing?
While I think that John 5's explanation is possible (as I am a guitarist myself), I do agree with the comment that there is a difference in tine between a strummed chord (in this case meaning the multiple simultaneous notes being strummed) and a chord hammer-on (multiple simultaneous note being fretted by hammer on). There is so much gain on this sound that it does make it a little hard to distinguish as I know with heavy gain (like here), what he is saying is possible, you just have to be super precise in hitting the exact strings of the chord you are playing, or you will get unwanted string noise.
However, when he is soloing there is an obvious rhythm guitar part being heard too, and it is NOT being played by John 5 at that moment. So, it is most likely a backing track, or possible another guitarists off stage playing those rhythm parts (unlikely, especially with Motley Crue's history).
To not acknowledge this just really makes him look bad, if not like a LIAR (as Henry Rollins would say).
It does matter and I will tell you why. Because to call yourself a live show and sell tickets with that advertising/marketing, and there has been decades of precedent of rock musicians performing live in front of you that have reinforced the understanding/meaning of a 'live performance', then to not do so as that (using backing tracks in place of actual live performances) would be FRAUD by definition. That would be ground for legal action, and I think that should happen under those instances.
Now, I will say that when I spend money for a 'live performance' and I think this is a reasonable expectation, that the musicians on stage who are billed as the 'live performance' all need to be the one performing live without any of there instrument parts being replaced by a backing track. If there is a song a musician i'performing live', and that song has a complete orchestral section, I think it is ok to have a backing track of the orchestral section, as long as, the musicians on stage are all playing their parts on their instruments live. I understand that having an orchestra on tour just to play a 30 seconds section of a song is costly. It would be cooler if that were actually the case, but I get that under those circumstances, those parts could be on backing tracks to reduce logistics and expenses.
To sum up, I think just as long as the musicians on stage billed as the 'live performance' are all playing their parts on their instruments, 'live' during that performance, then it is ok for anything they are not playing to be supplemented on a backing track.
What I think is really ironic, is that all these supposed real rock musicians have diluted themselves because there was a time when real rock musicians called others out as POSERS for not taking their playing and craft seriously, and just presenting themselves as rock musicians for all the fame and finances they waned to get.
Cheers,
Tim
Hands don’t lie. Why the strain in judging? Not a pedal. What? Echo?
Pre- recorded. End stop.
Heyy, bloody loved the show at Warwick castle, can’t wait to see you guys again 😊
Good day to you Justin!😘
Idk about the rest of the band but i know damn well j5 isn't using a backing track.
Attacking strings with the fretting hand (instead of plectrum) is not radically new. Buckethead does it all the time when he plays with his lefthand while tapping the kill-switch button with his right. I'm sure what John 5 is claiming is well within his ability.
always luv these! Keep Rocking Justin!
The biggest thing that bothers me is that I read in an interview that he's never had an alcoholic drink. Surely he's not qualified to be in Motley Crue?
Pantera did not even hire a roadie that would not drink with them
@@pitthefrit6292 are they hiring?
Hey Justin, there's a wrestler who's currently making it big off the back of his intro music and parody songs that he writes and performs himself - he managed to get his intro music to hit number 4 in the UK download charts and since then it looks like he's going to make it big. What do you make of Joe Hendry - I believe in Joe Hendry?
I completed Crue Ball on the Mega Drive. Fun little fact there. Even the developer was impressed when I told him
that game was awesome I got when it launched ...
John 5 put out a video showing how he played guitar while throwing pick in the air some people out there have no knowledge of music etc yet they reply like they do morons. Get well Justin
It's 100% legit, John even showed how it's done, he literally strums with his left fingers.. what a guitar god LMAO And with the gain he had on stage, it sounds massive. Just git gud, bunch of guitar noobs (John Petrucci voice)
I don't see the big deal if the band is using a rhythm or support track. The biggest solo pop stars in the world perform to tracks. Why? Because it cuts costs and allows them to focus on the dramatics of their stage performance or the experience of their show.
That is one of the core differences between bands and pop stars because bands actually play the elements of their music live. Whether or not a band employs support tracks is really just a matter of what kind of show they want to put on.
How far back is the video camera? Even if your zoomed in a drummers snare hit is heard but the drummers stick will be in the air.
I’ve watched John 5 from the side of the stage many of times when touring with Rob Zombie who 100% uses tracks. But John was always live.
When I say I was on the side of the stage, I mean on the stage next to the monitor mixer on John’s side. So if he was going to use tracks, that’s the band he would have fully took advantage of the technology.
I was in the band Adema that from day one had track enhancements with the early use on “Radar” and now just a laptop with pro-tools. So I know the difference.
John 5 is live 100% and he could play Motley Crues music with his ass cheeks if he wanted to.
He’s one of the nicest dudes in Rock and a wizard! You can’t even grip or even understand what he dose.
I liked Adema. I didn’t know they used “enhancements”. 😢
@@SuziQ. for a band like that, you have to for the techno/hip hop drum loops. It’s like having a DJ. It’s really the same thing. No fake vocal, real drum, real guitars and bass. The only thing is sound effects and hip hop/ techno loops. Every member of Adema is playing live. Same with bands like Static X, Lincoln Park, Deadzy, and so many of the Nu-Metal scene use them. It’s so normal.
@@marcdeleon757 ,
I never thought of them as hip hop. More like nu metal. Take “Giving In” for example. Doesn’t that song sound like hard rock post year 2k? Not unlike Korn.
@@SuziQ. I don’t mean they are hip hop. Just some hip hop style drum loops. “The way you like it” listen to the first verse.
@@marcdeleon757 ,
Why weren’t they bigger? I missed out on any tours, and most of their albums, because I was living in a country that didn’t play rock radio, but I did get some current music exposure from guests with teens. There are some tracks that are worthy of Tool. The Metallica cover surprised me.
I find it ironic how there's so much hate for backing tracking tracks when 90% of the guitarists on TH-cam hide behind them and get all the praise in the world.
Well their product is like 60 seconds for free and paying to see a legacy act is.... far from free😂
AWESOMENESS 😎, Great seeing you bro WOOOOOOOO 💯🔥❤❤❤❤❤
Any band who mimes on stage should be ashamed. You’re ripping people off.
I'm sorry, but with all do respect, Justin needs to stop defending/kissing up to his idols. At 5:15 in the video, you can clearly hear the chords being plucked, but we do not see it. I even suspect it is the same audio played from the first set of chords being overlayed when John 5 is doing his elbow trick on the second set of chords. This video should be called More Fake News FROM Motley Crue.
John 5 is brilliant. If you want to question his playing go see him at one of his club shows. He can play anything, absolutlely anything. Motley has used backing tracks and vocal tracks for years. They are a band you go see for the full stage show, you don't go tohear Vince sing, that is for sure. I think you called it correctly Mr. Hawkins!
like good wine, it gets better as it ages❤
"Sorry guys, no encore, no refund and goodnight!"🤟
Oh my! Fake news? Are people claiming that they are actually playing their instruments? Are they applauding the vocal ability of Vince?
Love the gain and sustain like Dan when he hits those strings
Dr John 5 🤘🏼🙌🏼 sad that he’s getting this treatment, same on video of him ripping Kiss licks off the top of his head on Paul’s og cracked mirror Ibanez and people complaining they’re not perfect. He’s brilliant and one of the best playing today, great feel and love for the instrument that comes out in everything he plays
Hi, Justin! I'm back. Good to see you. I like your hair. I can't call myself a guitarist, but I doodle a bit with it. I'm more a singer/lyricist.(however it's spelled.) Anyway, interesting topics. People can be so hypercritical of every thing. It's usually envy, & you're right. We all have to eat & shelter, & you/others have family. Relax. Don't allow yourself to get upset. I had to work on that as I live in a community where there are some very major non- intellectual jerks that prefer to do nothing but loaf & complain about each other with no respect for privacy, integrity, nor self control. Relax & continue to take care of yourself & love ones. I care very much about the angst & trouble I see everywhere. BAV
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Duff Mckagan look going on here 🤘🏻 Also, come on Rock, Paper, Swords so we can talk about the historical aspects of your lyrics in songs like Barbarian and Black Shuck!
You are delightful and I could listen to you all day!
Im sorry , Justin You shit the bed with this one. As a FORMER Crue fan that went to many many concerts since my first in 1989, they used to be a LIVE band. They used to be a great band. I know I was In the front row at many Concerts, Even on stage once! But the changed in the 2000's Vince lost his voice. I stopped going when the band I loved, stopped caring how they played and sounded. Boos were Common. The next day at work, instead of talking about the greatest show ever, You talked about feeling let down, ripped off. Nikki claiming Sobriety yet wasted on stage. Think 1996? incident with fighting guard, inciting riot. Vince heart was not in the shows, He looked like a forced slave. THe show got more and more, video and pyro heavy more talk heavy, less songs. Vince would say, Ok here's a old one, with disgust. They were only happy when they were singing new stuff. But the new stuff sucked. Vince left, Tommy Left and came back. Those years did damage, from mid 90's the band became a parody of itself. A tribute band to what they once were. Felt like, I know you love us, lets see if you will pay for another new house and car. I was in Davenport Iowa when they were playing to 2000 people in the early 2000's, they were done. Fans wanted the great huge spectacle of Dr feelgood, but every time you went with hopes high, you returned wallet lighter and disappointed. That's when Nikki went to writing books, Vince to his side band.
It wasn't till some PR guy figured out to do Carnival of Sins, but if you watch closely even the vocals were shit on it. VInce did a face lift for it, they got in shape. the last hurrah. A band that turned into a full backing track tribute band. They called it quits, NO ONE WANTED TO BE IN THE BAND. They couldn't make money and it was work. They took the last bit of money. Tommy was on TV going back to school and Making the next great band, Sixx was forming side bands yearly, Tommy was DJ ing. Vince was selling Tequila and buying football teams. Then came PR with the movie, and DO YOU REALLY THINK WE CAN SQUEEZE THE FANS ONE MORE TIME> we are about out of cash. These kids today never saw rock in their Politically correct world. So the 60 year old men, who have long left their wild days of youth of drugs, and sex, and stupidity, went back out to fake being those guys. TO SELL ATTITUDE, TO THE YOUTH OF AMERICA. but the Real fans that aged with them, know its, fake as fuck. Its like a person saying, I wanna try Cocaine, and you give them a REDBULL. Then say do you feel that? Thats it! Your living the Rock life now! Even better analogy, it like taking someone now to a strip club have a stripper dance in front of you and saying that what its like to have sex. The only person getting Fucked is you mentally, and the Stripper takes the cash with a wink and smile. That My friend is Motley Crue. Hence with John 5 the weird kid in the the back of the class taking Micks Spot. Mick still a Rock Star, the Rest? PR Department Presents "MOLDY WHO"
I think there last great year live was 2008 down hill from there
I don’t think that John 5 is faking his guitar playing live. Although Vince, Nikki, and Tommy, on the other hand, are faking their parts live.
Cool video Justin!
Great explanation 😁
I'm sad to see Johnny 5 slumming with this band, I wanted better for him😢
At least he’s alive!
Of course it matters. We all know the likes of Taylor Swift et al lip sync live, and it's more about the dancing, the staging etc but, if you go and see a rock band, I think you should expect them to be playing live. I'm getting a bit sick of Def Leppard claiming ALL their vocals are sung live. It's pretty obvious they're not. Don't get me wrong, I love DL, but just be honest about it. Justin is trying very hard to defend J5 here. The video quality isn't great, but it does look like he's playing to a track.
John Five is probably the most talented member of M/C He is a very top tier player
probably? he's lightyears above those hacks
@@wpropst you're right 😅
He's the best drummer, bassist and vocalist in the band.
It doesn't matter who does what in Motley Crue. Not my thing...ever!
The rhythm guitar track keeps playing when John5 plays a solo.
That's just vince humming. 😆
@@totalbullion5882 🤣
It does that on the record too.
Do you complain about that?
Again, he has a base rhythm track going and he is on top of it and doing the solos.
He is also doing the hammer on and pull offs in that videos as he is walking away.
@@gregc8483 Fakery is LAME! He has a GUITAR rhythm track that he is playing to. It is not had too hear. So lame!
@@ChazinFl1 Oh bullsh1t mate, MOST bands these days have some sort of backing track, as I said further up in the comments, Sabbath had backing tracks in the 70's, Judas priest did in the 70's 80's, 90's 00's NOW, so did Dio and a pile of others, I could fill this page with a list. It has NOTHING to do with what John's playing at all. If you lot, that don't have a clue about how music is made, saw how albums are made, you're little brains would explode....
There is no denying that J5 is an incredible guitarist, I love his playing. However, that clip is super suspect. There is the clear sound of a chord being struck while he is walking with his hands no where near the strings. His chording hand doesn't move either which removes the hammer-on argument. Interesting
This is so well edited ! I love JHRA
I think they have slowed down the BPM which is helping Vince a lot
John 5 unfortunately has no say in the overall decisions of what happens on stage. He's along for the ride and if there is a backing track playing behind his own real playing, he must do his best to be a good soldier.
Every national act of this size plays to tracks.
hammer on vs. strumming on an acoustic guitar you can tell the difference but on an electric guitar with all the knobs on the distortion pedal jammed to the right and all the tubes in the amp glowing white hot, well in that instance a hammer on will throw you back like marty mcfly in back to the future
I have no doubt they use tracks. Couple of songs have synths and the show I went to last year there was no keyboard player on stage. Pure theatre. I had a great night and if the Crue come back to Sydney then I will go see them again. I know John 5 is doing a solo tour of North America this year.. If that tour makes it to Sydney eventually then I will go see that too.
Went to see Crue open for Kiss maybe 10-12 years ago and it was the last time I saw either of them. The show was decent but you could tell things were on the decline performance-wise as well as overall enthusiasm for the craft. RIP CRUE AND KISS!
Who knows what's real or not anymore 🤷♀ But I'm confident TD doesn't NEED to fake anything!
I am back! Your unworthy rival! I am not a fan of backing tracks, especially if it is the full band on stage. I only do albums now, by myself, programming stuff, playing the instruments and singing. If I was good at any of those things, I am sure my songs would be awesome, but as for putting on a show, I am a purist. When I was playing out with a band we had a mantra, 5 or 5000 they get the same show, to me using a backing track is kinda a sign of weakness, and the band could use some practice to stay tight.
I went to a The 1975 concert in 2016 and the backing tracks were so heavy I almost walked out. Almost. I’ve never observed worse though.
And I have become A Metal fan, in spite of my 57 years!
Justin Hawkins travels without a traveller guitar???? Stunned!
On another note I'd like to have a beer and a chat with you Sir Justin,bring doc 5 if he's up for it👍
Do you think they do the old socal punk grunge gimmick where there is another guitarist behind Oz curtain? I remember seeing green day and other pop punk bands and some grunge bands on shows like the tonight show or late night with Conan or SNL and sometimes from certain B cameras you’d catch a glimpse of these backing players behind a curtain off the stage front. It’s a weird practice to be honest, I never understood what the big deal ever would have been to have a live sell sword or guitar mercenary so to speak play with you live… like who cares.
Everyone is entertainers or performers now not musicians . Tragic .