Will The ACC Become The New AAC After FSU & Clemson Leave? | Clemson REFUSES Schedule Change
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- Is the ACC on course to become another version of the AAC (American Athletic Conference)? That’s what Kelvin Hunt, a writer from FSU blog Chop Chat said this week after the additions of SMU, Cal and Stanford into the conference. Florida State fans are bitter during this period where they are engaged in multiple lawsuits with the ACC in order to break the Grant of Rights and exit the conference once and for all. It’s only a matter of time before Clemson and FSU find a way out. Will the ACC be no better than the AAC once that happens?
Hosts Alex Donno and Kenton Gibbs react to that hot take and discuss the long term state of the conference. Meanwhile, Clemson seems to have committed an open act of defiance against the ACC. They refused to allow their game against South Carolina to be moved from the Saturday after Thanksgiving to Black Friday. Which ACC team has the most pressure to win big this upcoming football season? Gibbs and Donno both feel Miami is the choice there.
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Watching these two guys catch up with the rest of the college football world is hilarious 😂
My favorite was Gibbs saying "Miami University" as if it's in the ACC already.
I would say no; the ACC is not going to become the AAC. Because the AAC was actually entertaining.
Clemson 9issing on ESPN doesn't exactly say SEC bound.
Answer to Kenton's question ? Clemson won before Dabo. There is a reason Clemson & FSU has the most ACC championships. There is a reason Clemson is one of the 15 winningest programs of all time. Know your history. You ever heard of John Heisman. He did coach at Clemson. Hint: Heisman Trophy. So don't act like Clemson was not a football school before Dabo got there. Considering all the programs out there; if you are in the top 15-20 all time over 100 years that is pretty good company. Know your history. Stop listening to other Media that dislike Dabo
Not a Clemson fan, sometimes hate them at best, but I can’t argue this and facts are facts.
Read the history of all conference teams before you make yourself look bad. Pitt has 9 the most and the last 2 in the 80ties. Clemson has had very little success only in football who carried them all those struggling years. ACC put money in their pockets.
@@terryrich4889 I may have hit the bong to long but I think oh boy was talking about contributions to the ACC conference. Pitt success was from their independent and big east years, which had nothing to do with the ACC. Additionally, it means shit if they win and nobody watches them and therefore brings in no revenue. Are you sure you’re not the one who is high. 😂😂😂
Pretty humorous these guys are throwing shade at Memphis when Memphis is better in football than half of the ACC...
LMAO Delusional.
@user-kn7ry8iz6x Syracuse, Wake Forest, Boston College, Cal, Stanford, you really think these teams are better than Memphis? If so, you know absolutely nothing about college football.
@@Goeers206 You are a Memphis Fan. Hasn't Memphis been NEXT to get called up to the BIG BOY Division of College Sports for like 20+ Years now? No Calls from the Big East? No Calls from the Big 12 who was DESPERATE? WOW. Going to be No Calls from the ACC either.
But don't worry. Memphis is STILL NEXT. Until it comes time for somebody to ACTUALLY get called up. Make sure you keep that LINE in Order for Us BIg Boys. You keep being out JOKE and stay NEXT.
No they aren't. Memphis would be at the bottom. The Acc was 8-6 against the Sec last year and beat ND twice, should have been 3 times. How many great teams are in the Sec or big 10. Why do the same couple teams always win those conferences. They are mostly hype.
@@garlandalmarode6396Memphis would have like a 7-5 8-4 type season in the ACC
Whatever move ESPN makes, it will be to earn more revenue. The ACC is not part of their longterm plan.
LMAO. All ESPN has to do to earn the MOST REVENUE over the Next 12 years is KEEP the ACC ALIVE.
Not only does ESPN profit MORE of the ACC than it does the SEC and ESPN gets better Ratings off the ACC than it used to get off the B1G... BUT ESPN has just INVESTED $1 BILLION in the ACC Network... which is about to INCREASE REVENUES for ACC teams and ESPN but ESPN's TAKE from that is going to be more than an ADDITIONAL $200 Million per year AND on top of that ESPN is about to see a $2.5 Billion Return on their Investment over the next 12 years.
Plus you make the MISTAKE of seeing this as a ZERO SUM GAME (if you can even understand what that means) and not seeing this as a DYNAMIC GAME.
The ACC and ESPN are NOT going to Stand Pat and DO NOTHING after the coming Exodus. In Fact, those 2 PARTNERS (ESPN/ACC) made Moves and Plans 9 years ago for what was a KNOWN Impending SEC and B1G RAID n the Power 5. Every single move the ACC/ESPN have made for 9 years has been to shore up the ACC Teams that would be STAYING and MINIMIZE the Damage of Teams Leaving. And every single step has be SUCCESSFUL... but you would not know it because apparently the ACC/ESPN know how to Play POKER/CHESS while you are watching the PAC 12/Big 12 play GO FISH/CHECKERS and celebrating them winning CHILDREN's GAMES.
You do not understand how STRONG the ACC is RIGHT NOW and have NO CLUE what the ACC is going to do Post-Exodus. Which is TYPICAL and FOOLISH.
There is NO SCENARIO where ESPN makes MORE MONEY doing anything other than STAYING with the ACC.
And I challenge ANYONE to even ATTEMPT to explain HOW ESPN could make MORE $$$ without the ACC. I would love to read your DELUSIONAL Comments.
Espn is behind the teams they brought in. Espn is working with the Acc on the additions. The Acc had a very good year last year financially. The Acc network is bringing in more money and with the 3 new additions will add more. I question how smart Fsu and Clem are in all of this.
@@garlandalmarode6396 Teams trying to LEAVE clearly don't understand their Contract or how Conference Networks WORK. They have been there for ALL 8 YEARS of the INVESTMENT. 8 years of SPENDING MONEY. But they want OUT before the 1st year of COLLECTING THE RETURNS on the INVESTMENT? DUMB.
ACC Revenue will be UP by around $26 Million this year due to the Expansion and NEW Status of the ACC Network. But they keep using the LIE that they will be $50 Million a year behind the Big 10 during the same YEAR that we find out the Big 10 is making $10 Million LESS than was reported and the ACC is going to get $26 Million MORE than reported.
That is a $36 Million DIFFERENCE between their LIES about the Big 10 and their IGNORANCE about the ACC.
It reduces that GAP to $14 Million a year in REVENUE after only 1 year.
And the ACC has a MOVE coming that will cut that GAP by another $10 Million in 2 to 5 years.
The Big 10 has been given their ADJUSTMENT UP for INFLATION.. the ACC has NOT YET but that is coming TOO.
FSU is DUMB AF
This morning I went to Cracker Barrel in East Flat Rock NC, and they had Clemson stuff for sale and NOTHING for in state UNC, NC St, Duke or WF. Just another reason the Big 10 to take BOTH Clemson & Florida St,.
That would be pretty unusual. I'm sure you will find plenty of UNC stuff in most stores in North Carolina.
I will be so glad when the Acc does not exist anymore because of this 🤡 Keaton why would Clemson do anything to help the Acc there a joke of a conference Keaton with all your what if’s smh but what if it does work out for Clemson have ever thought of that
The funny thing is one of the incentives for Clemson to move the game was they were going to move the game between Clemson and NCState in 2027 from Raleigh to Clemson and take it away from the Wolfpack. Speaks volumes how much the ACC cares about NCState football that they would take a dump on them like that. LOL!
That day is NEVER COMING. ACC is set up to be in the Power 3 FOREVER. But you are obviously UNINFORMED and probably DUMB too.
Clemson had about a 5 year run and has mostly been mid pack or worse in BB. Clemson is a huge part of the joke you speak of. Now they are just another football team and with dabo not using the portal you ll stay below where you are. Same thing goes for Fsu neither one are Alabama.
@@garlandalmarode6396 Exactly. Clemson of the RECENT PAST is not Clemson of 10 to 15 years ago and their Typical Spot in History. Clemson is more likely to look like the Mid to Good Clemson of History in the FUTURE than it is to look like the Top 5 years of their History.
BUSINESS DECISIONS aren't based on the GLORY YEARS that are now GONE FOREVER. They are based on the BASIC YEARS which are Mid and the Market which is Mid and how Big their National Brand is during DOWN YEARS which is Mid. Anybody can draw a National Audience when they are GREAT, only a couple Brands are Nationwide when they are BAD.
If Clemson gets Left Behind THAT will be why. That is also why Clemson LEAVING is no Big Deal for the ACC. SOMEBODY ELSE will WIN all those GAMES and be the Top Draw for the ACC. Because SOMEBODY has to be the PLAYOFF TEAM that the National Viewers will want to see out of curiosity.
@@user-kn7ry8iz6xyou are delusional 😂😂
SC State High School playoff games are scheduled for that Friday night. Clemson has always tried to avoid conflicts with important high school games.
Kenton tried to play that where will FSU go , Kenton you know FSU can’t have 1st party talks until they are free once they are feee , they can decide what’s best for FSU
"Once free?" You are right but that free only comes at the end of all court action down to the very last appeal. That is years. Otherwise it will be some sort of a settlement that is a give and take in which FSU will not be "free"
@@artpowers812years you’re delusional 😂😂. FSU and Clemson are out it’s just the amount of money. They know the ACC is trying to drag out the case and they aren’t letting that happen.
@@deeperson7711 We agree, FSU is out Clemson most likely but not absolute. But you totally miss the reality that it is FSU trying to weasel out of a legal agreement. The only way this doesn't go years in court is that FSU agrees to a realistic settlement like paying the 35% lost viewership until 2036. Now that is fair,
I don't want to see the conf.go away, but poor leadership in past & going forward sounds just like PAC 12 denial. 35 percent of viewership is about to leave, then who else enters the picture?
Poor management would be to have a decent agreement to share and share alike and then give in to the richest demanding to take money from the poorest. The management is doing what management should do. It is just that "should do" does not benefit FSU in this instance.
Yep.
They will be similar to the B12.
That is how I see it.
FSU fan here: Don't worry about the hot takes, the ACC will backfill from the AAC, but not turn into them.
I don't blame Clemson for playing hard ball, if the pot was sweet enough I'm sure they'd take the ESPN offer.
ACC will backfill from the Big 12, not lose teams to it.
Not a chance, Big 12 will take the scraps of the ACC.
@@matthewlewis1014 With WHAT MONEY? What does the Big 12 have to OFFER that the ACC does not have? Name 1 CONCRETE thing BETTER about the Big 12. You have NOTHING TO OFFER.
By next June (2025) ACC Revenue will be $20 Million per schools MORE than Big 12 Revenue. I KNOW you have been LIED TO and don't believe that. But that is a FACT.
BIg 12 does not have a Conference Network and by next June the ACC Network will INCREASE Revenues by at least $10 Million per school.
It just took the ACC 8 years to BUILD the ACCN to get it to the point it is right now. The Big 12 is more than a DECADE BEHIND in just having the BASICS needed to Compete with the SEC and B1G.
You will not even be able to take schools like Wake Forest, Boston College or SMU from the ACC.
That Utah "Rumor" was not a Rumor. That was a LEAK that came out at least 2 years Too Early. And there are 2 More Big 12 team RIGHT NOW trying not to have the SAME LEAK. And whatever number of schools LEAVE the ACC for the SEC and B1G... there is an EQUAL NUMBER of Big 12 schools (beyond the 3 that know it now) that will be trying not to LEAK Too Early that they are GONE EAST to a better Conference and 150% more $$$.
Just because you BELIEVE IN LIES it doesn't make those lies TRUE. You are LIVING a LIE right now.
LOLOLOLOL.good luck with that. @@user-kn7ry8iz6x
The one FSU guy can't get over they were left out of the playoff and always spews silly things about the Acc. Alabama made it imo because they knew it was Sabans last year and the powers that be wanted him in.
How will it look if the Florida St Seminoles with all this confrence talk looks up on Sept 14th and takes a loss to the Memphis Garbage pail kids!😂
I see 'em losing to SMU, too.
Last time I checked Clemson is also suing the Acc so why all the FSU hate smh
These 2 always had it in for FSU
Because fsu is loudest out of the two..
Because Clemson is just asking to see what their option are. FSU has spent the last 2 YEARS trying to F the ACC in the Loudest Way Possible.
FSU has done everything they can to MAKE PEOPLE HATE IT and doubles down on it constantly. Watch and See the FSU CLOWNS will be all over this Post.
@@mr.valentine8399 They act the most entitled
@@artpowers812 Definitely
If Clemson's decision not to move their game was because of Dabo, then I support them. If their decision was made to spite the ACC or ESecPN, then they are FOOLS. The fact is that they don't have an invite from the B1G. Might they get one? Maybe, but who knows. It should be clear that they are not number 1 or even number 2 on the B1G's wish list.
Clemson has fallen back to the pack recently and with Dabo not working the portal game I doubt they improve, or do so with consistency. With a VT resurgence maybe Louisville continuing to play well with SMU. The Acc can still be a good conference without Clem and Fsu.
The FSU writer obviously has a bias, but I get his point. When ACC teams leave (FSU, Clemson, UNC, Louisville, et al) the first invites will be to the top-tier AAC teams. BTW, Go Tigers Go! (Memphis fan here)
You guys will fit right in with the rest of the ACC embarrassing the Hurrishames. Go Noles!
@encycl07pedia- looking forward to our trip to Tallahassee in a couple of months.
You guys are great😊
The ACC must be dissolved immediately!!!!
Donno.... this is late tonight... almost past my bedtime....😂😅😂😅
As a UNC fan I don’t want the ACC to fall apart I want FSU and Clemson to stay don’t want to see them become Maryland who left and hasn’t done anything in the Big10 of all of their NFL players each just gave 100,000 they would not have money problems
How in the world could you compare Clemson and FSU to Maryland...buddy you either know nothing about football or are just mad because the ACC that NC ran into the ground with corruption and nepotism will be G5 when they leave...
Maryland didn't do anything in the ACC besides one conference championship in 2001 (when FSU blew them out of the water).
FSU has a better record against the B1G than the ACC. I don't think the ACC is all that worse, if at all, than the B1G, but the conference is run like a lemonade stand and small Mid-Atlantic fanbase markets don't move the needle.
Prediction: Virginia Tech will be offered AAU membership in the not to distant future.
I’m a FSU fan when we leave you are right the ACC will go on I never thought espn would drop the contract they might restructure it
I might be the only UNC fan that wants this conference to implode. I don’t blame FSU or Clemson for wanting to leave either. There’s serious corruption in the league office. Bringing in west coast teams is a sign of weakness and desperation.
Didn't like how Kenton attempted to s*** on UAB when they've won 3 bowl games since Miami won their last one in 2016. Yet we have to listen to Donno try to slide that Miami hype in on every conversation. Only one team other than FSU and/or Clemson has won the ACC in the last ten years. ONE TEAM and that was PITT. It really hasn't been that competitive in certain years you could've penciled Clemson and/or FSU in as Champs of the league at the beginning of the season and not be wrong.
Gibbs is an incessant sourpuss. I would be to if my sugar daddies (FSU and Clemson) were leaving me high and dry.
Why do people not comprehend the ACC has boat loads of more cash than the X12? The Academics are on another universe compared to love's truck stop confrence. Im sick of people hyping up the X12 in football. Who's making the playoff? Utah, K st. Ok st?? I mean come on. ACC loses the top 2 dogs like X12 did with OU and Texas they are still head and shoulders above the lil 16
It’ll be like the current b12
😂😂😂😂you guys are hilarious. The ACC without FSU/Clemson are a group of 5 which is getting ready to become the group of 7.
It never gets old seeing Kenton with a frown on his face when talking about FSU. I love seeing the entire state of NC suffer after all the BS they (the ACC) put FSU through.
Donno, UNC doesn’t play ND on Thanksgiving weekend. It is STATE!! I’m surprised Kenton didn’t get you straight on that. Also, Frank Howard is in the College HOF.
FINALLY!!! A somewhat objective episode. Moving in the right direction fellas!!
If Fsu wouldn't have fallen maybe the Acc has a better contract.
@@garlandalmarode6396 well considering FSU has won 1/2 the championships since joining 30+ years ago, a national championship 11 years ago, went undefeated last year with top 7 tv ratings, and have winning record against both SEC and Big10 teams, I would say FSU more than held up their end of the deal while the Miami's, NC, NCstate, VTech, etc did little and the rest were happy leeches...contract was signed years ago while FSU was ruling college football..stop being salty and pay attention..
Business > Sports
Some kind of end of the ACC would essentially mean the end of all conferences as a concept.
Conferences are not safe if contracts are not safe. Historically ALL conferences will collapse. Socon, SWC, etc.
Yes, ALL. The college Conference concept will have proven to be a useless .
Why would any university administrator or Network agree to something as volatile as a contract between rival schools with divergent interest? Texas A&M and Texas anyone? Especially if Private Equity interest and rival Networks are trying to push schools to break media contracts.
It's BAD Business.
Conferences won't work. Group Contracts won't work. So the Networks will eventually make individual deals with a top few schools. That is how they will trim off the Northwesterns and Vandys etc. Conference pride won't save them. People are trying to say Notre Dame will be forced to join the Big10...why? When ND is the future and ahead of the curve. Every School will pursue Notre Dame type of scheduling agreements. If NBC peacock won't pay the 60 Million..Apple TV will pay 100M.
An end to the ACC is essentially ALL conferences ending themselves.
If Clemson and Florida State leave, does the conference stay together. What if NC and Virginia leave, does the conference stay together?
Any word on UVA leaving the ACC?
OK I am a Nole and who the hell is Chop Chat? I seriously never heard of them before this. Can't be too big or important.
Evidently FS and Clemson, didn't add much value at all or ESPN would have given more money. In reality, when you look at group 5 and below those schools make 5 million and less and are able to handle their business. There is a bit of malice with D1 teams making less money than the big 10 and sec. You must play the hand you dealt. However, FS and Clemson have put themselves on a pedestal that they deserve what the big 10 and sec are getting but not the big 12. If ESPN or Fox, cbs and NBC never made the deals with the sec or big 10, I really don't think we will be having this conversation. I do know that the sooner Clemson and FS leave the better off the ACC will be.
No they’re the only reason they even gave the ACC the money they got. They are underpaying FSU and Clemson because they are vastly overpaying the rest of the teams who bring nothing. No one watches Virgina vs Syracuse, Boston College vs NC State. These schools bring no values to ESPN.
Better off just tying to be a basketball conference that no one cares about 10 months out of the year and a drop of $20M per team from espn...much better off..that's the backward logic that got the scrubs in this mess to begin with..
If the ACC will be better off without FSU and Clemson, why are they spending all that lawyer money to keep them in?
ACC not trying to keep fs and Clemson just enforcing the Gor's. Fs and Clemson refuse to pay and want to leave for free. They can leave once they pay. The sooner the better we don't need them .
@@terryrich4889 You really are clueless. The GOR is being challenged as unenforceable and excessively punitive. The B1G doesn't even have an exit fee.
Please do your homework before making videos.
Miami got along for years as an independent. We played better schedules,tougher teams and could play anyone. Notre Dame is still independent and doing ok. As an independent there is no revenue sharing as such you can negotiate your own financial tv deals.
I think that's a great idea...Miami should go for it...there has to be a bunch of old people who remember when Miami was relevant and would tune in for .500. ball in empty rented stadiums...
Yeah! Pat yourselves on the back for playing San Diego State, Cincinnati, and South Carolina! That's reel tuff, for srs.
Wouldn't it be ironic if neither the SEC or Big 10 would take FSU and Clemson?
Yes, but it won't happen. They'll land in the P2.
Do you realize how much money these two schools generate even being in a lack luster conference they both have a home. Money talks
@@deeperson7711do you realize the SEC already has teams in those 2 states. That’s one strike against them
@@user-bz6kq3dx6p the Big 10 not the SEC. Those are the only conferences that matter now so as long as you’re in either one your fine. Clemson FSU are football schools they have a home.
@@user-bz6kq3dx6p You do realize that Texas A&M is in Texas, right?
I don't think the ACC is going anywhere, they may lose 2 - 4 teams (most likely just FSU and Clemson) but they will largely remain intact. The real question, especially for the MWC fans, is what happens after that? Who will the ACC be coming after to backfill some value? The B12 had a leg up on you all since they got to pick through the AAC, and then again when the PAC fell apart, they came out much better than you all.
Utah was the cream of the crop there and you all got Cal, Stanford and SMU? Stanford being the best pickup there and not bad because that further solidifies you as the conference that ND Football wants to join. Eventually, but probably not.
So what is left? Well nothing in the AAC, as you all caught up to the rest of us and pointed out in this video. There are the other two PAC leftovers that you all already passed on once, do you take another look at them, maybe? And then there is the MWC, probably the only G5 conference that holds any sort of value save for a couple teams I don't think you would go after anyway, like Memphis and Tulane. Dirtbag Memphis doesn't fit in with you all, and Tiny Tulane doesn't have the metrics that spell long term value.
IMO you kick the tires on the PAC leftovers one more time, you may only take one and that would be OSU, and then you would take a good hard look at the likes of San Diego State, UNLV and Colorado State. I would include Boise State and Fresno State on there but I think you would have Cal and Stanford bitching about that and they don't really fit in with the other schools in the ACC.
Coast to coast 18 - 20 team conferences seem to be all the rage these days in the P4 and I think the 4 - 5 schools I mentioned above are your best bet on getting caught up to your P4 peers. Outside of that you could try to steal away a team or two from the B12 such as BYU, UCF or Utah (although I think you already tried there and it seems to have come to nothing).
I just wish you all would get on with your FSU and Clemson drama so us over here in the MWC can find out how badly we are going to be screwed in all of this.
We really gonna act like fsu fans are the first or only ones being petty? From the moment we announced we are leaving SMU sites and fans have taken every opportunity to trash talk us. At least CAL and Stanford have mostly been quiet and not had the audacity to act like a scorned founding member of the conference. Speaking of which what about the UNC AD that came out and trashed us despite his board of directors behind his back conspiring to leave as well. Get out of here with this the petty ex nonsense. Both parties are petty.
You guys seem clueless once the contract is deemed unconscionable by terms and financial contract for television yeah entire conference isn’t super trouble announce of Pro Wolfpack and Miami and they are the teams that are looking at like they’re on the outside of landing spot contracts are made to be brokento any lawyer
You keep reporting that Cal and Stanford are already part of ACC, but they do not join until Aug 2. So you are a month off.
They ARE part of the ACC Officially. They are also Officially still part of the PAC12 because the 2 Conferences have different Fiscal Calendars.
it is ACCURATE to say BOTH.
They do not join until Aug 2 so no they are not part of the ACC. They can't vote until then so it is wrong to keep saying that they are part of the ACC already. They could say that they will join the ACC on Aug 2.
@@seekingthetruth2748 Is Florida St in the ACC? Because they can't Vote EITHER.
They are already IN. Because that is a FACT. It's OFFICIAL.
Kenton.. your spot on. The B12 is the ACC (post FSU & Clemson) w/ a better marketing firm.
Except with better football schools!
Miami better get their shit together because outside of them, the ACC has nobody to carry the ACC torch!
@@scarcheer7211 DELUSIONAL.
Hmmm. Possibly the new CUSA?
ND (indy football), Duke, Syracuse to the Big East.
Danny Ford should be
Danny Ford is in the Hall of Fame, Kenton has no clue what the hell he’s talking about
Miami fans don’t have to worry about this. Big12 will pick them up. Most likely with schools like Louisville, VT and others
Clemson could very well be a Tommy West level program again soon as their heyday is over.
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Lets see. When was the last time NCState won the ACC in football? 1979? ROTFL! Even Wake and Duke have made it to the ACC championship game.
That is because the Divisions were MASSIVELY UNBALANCED. The Coastal was FULL of MID. The Atlantic had Louisville, NC State, FSU and Clemson.
Why is it in YEAR ONE without Divisions the 2 teams in the ACC-CCG were BOTH forner Atlantic Members?
Watch and See while 2 former Atlantic Members make the ACC-CCG again this year.
@@user-kn7ry8iz6x In the early days of the ACCCG era, it was the Coastal (namely Virginia Tech) that was doing better.
NC State doesn't belong in the discussion with Louisville, FSU, and Clemson when it comes for competing for the Atlantic title.
Go Noles!
FSU was left out of the playoffs because TV did not want a blowout in the playoffs. FSU did not have enough to be competitive at that level with their backup QB.
Except they won without him, including the ACC champ game where the defense dominated a top 5 offense in the country...sooo, wrong buddy
@@cdray-qy7wp , let's be real man; FSU struggled mightily against Louisville in that game. So what they won without the starting QB?! They didn't win convincingly enough for the committee to take them seriously to add to the playoff. They were right because judging by that beat down that a non playoff team called Georgia gave them it would have been a bloodbath had the committee allowed FSU in the playoffs. They would have gotten skull dragged by any of the 4 teams in the playoff.
@@malcolmjones27 man you get dumber with every comment...how did Bama look against auburn who just got skull Fkd by New Mexico State...Hail Mary from losing. Dominant defense would keep FSU in any game - plus they wouldn't be starting a true freshman qb in playoffs, but a 3rd year dude. Secondly, the exhibition game had 11 of FSU starters including 9 draft picks not play...right after being told games don't matter..try again..or better yet enjoy G5 status, then you can look back and see how FSU and Clemson carried this sorry ass conference...
lol. FSU was left out because of collusion with the SEC and Saban.
@@malcolmjones27 Brock Glenn was the 3rd-string QB because Rodemaker was in concussion protocol. Glenn wouldn't have started the bowl game if Rodemaker hadn't bailed at the very last second. And FSU was missing something like 98% of their production on offense and defense for that game. You can't judge FSU by how the scout team played against an angry UGA team.... at least not if you want to be taken seriously.
FSU deserved to be in the CFI. Alabama didn't.
That’s an insult to the AAC! 🤣
Why in the world Miami is holding on to the ACC, is beyond me. Talk about being self destructive. At least FSU and Clemson had the balls to fight to get out of the worthless ACC. I guess the rest of the league wants to be in a worthless conference. Well, ENJOY!
Before Dabo at least we were not Nancy State what are y’all
Miami and NC State are two of the most sorry ACC teams that CHOKE every year. One has NEVER won an ACC football championship and the other won in 1979. As a Nole, I actually RESPECT Wake Forest as they won a football championship more recently, instead of living in the past like UM and NC State. This is the new AAC. UCF a former AAC school has been better 😂
UCF got the brakes beat off of them by The Dukies. Stop it...
Only an FSU fan would walk around pounding their chest after getting dumpstered by georgia. 😂😂😂 now bring on the excuses lmao
At least they can win their conference 😂
@@stephenhill1131you clearly dont know ball
@@SurferRC that's a good one 🤡
ESPN would be thick in the head to let these 2 out of ACC. FSU and Clemson have a better chance to make playoffs in ACC. That's why Bobby Bowden wanted to join ACC.
Your comment says “I have no idea what is going on.” By 2030, the only 2 conferences in the playoffs will be B1G/SEC. Can happen as early as 2027 as they hold all the cards.
That's not why Bobby Bowden wanted to join the ACC and that's not why FSU joined the ACC.
His son actually said that in a interview. They could have gone to the SEC if they wanted but it would be easier in the ACC.
@@Mr.rogers1969 That's not true.
@@encycl07pedia- go watch Tommy Bowden on his interview with outkick and reply back.
FSU had one good team in a decade or so but the Acc can't survive without them. I think there is a good possibility that SMU replaces them nicely and adds another big state for the Acc.
Clemson and FSU can leave as long as they pay that 700ea......
No, they're leaving for alot less. More like 100 million, possibly as little as one years worth of withheld revenue.
@@deadeye4520 SHHHHIDDDD!
They only pay while the current ESPN deal is intact. Once they leave ESPN will cancel that deal and start a new one and the old deal will be over and FSU and Clemson will no longer have to make any payments. It’s basically an installment plan not a lump sum that’s what is confusing people. The installments end once the CURRENT, not future, ESPN deal ends. This is the entire reason the ESPN contract has been hidden from the public, it’s completely one sided in ESPN’s favor.
@@Shane46587 The current ESPN Deal is going to STAY INTACT. ESPN needs the Deal to Stay Intact more that the ACC needs it.
You clearly have NO CLUE about ANY FACT involved in that TV Contract or how much ESPN has laid on the Line to RELY on the ACC.
ESPN let the B1G WALK only to replace the B1G with the ACC in every Time Slot the B1G used to get and ESPN gets BETTER RATINGS with the ACC in those Slots.
ESPN handed the Big 12 the DAGGER to UNALIVE the PAC 12... and grabbed CAL and Stanford forthe ACC to replace PAC 12 After Dark in the ACC.
ESPN Invested $1 BILLION in the ACC Network for a $2.5 BILLION Return that ESPN cannot Collect if the ACC goes away.
ESPN gave the ACC a Pro Rata so that it can ADD anybody to make sure the ACC can maintain the COMPOSITIONS CLAUSE in the TV Contract because ESPN KNEW 9 years ago that the SEC and B1G were going to RAID the Power 5... and ESPN wanted to be SURE the ACC would SURVIVE Post Raid.
AND
ESPN has been PAYING the ACC $16 Million MORE per school that you have seen Reported because the Sports Media is FINANCIALLY ILLITERATE and is not SMART ENOUGH to look at a Simple Balance Sheet beyond looking at the REVENUE. If they LOOKED at the TOP of the Balance Sheet and not just the BOTTOM they would see the ACC teams all have a $16 Million GAP between INCOME and REVENUE and no other Conference does. That MIGHT stir their Imagination Enough to ask WHY and then LEARN WHY and INFORM YOU. But they are all TOO DUMB and can only Parrot what others have said. You know what that is like. It is what YOU do. "SQUAWK!! The TV Deal will END. SQUAWK!!!"
@Shane46587 as that "great poet" Donald Trump once said..... WRONG
Mario is going into his 3rd year..
There were NO EXPECTATIONS for Mario's 3rd year..
Fortunately, he's a hell Ova recruiter, and he was ambitious in the transfer portal...
Because of he leadership, he's made Miami look a lot better. Quicker than ppl expected.
Mario has conference championships. With a 53-13 W/L record..
Dude is one of the 5 worst game day coaches in America...and he turns 5 stars into late round or undrafted free agents...and ruins QB's...by the way his record is 74-73, so stop lying Cane.
10 years ago most of the country still didn't even know what a Clemson was. FSU and Clemson didn't make the ACC. FSU and Clemson DO NOT make the ACC. Once they turn on ESPN's hype machine Whoever gets the ACC autobid will get about the same views of a Clemson. ESPN/ACC will hype up Miami, Louisville, Those 5 Notre Dame Games, Whoever, etc.
They are already building SMU.
Clemson isn't the national underdog story or the Alabama slaying Juggernaut anymore.
Right now "Clemson" is a time slot. The Irony of them refusing a prime time game slot.
The Best recent FSU team didn't even make the playoffs.
FSU has to be winning nattys to be the phenomenon that will not happen in the B1G-SEC. Period.
LMAO! Are you !0 years old? The country certainly knew who Clemson was. They won a football Natty and a bunch of conference championships long before Dabo.
Wtf are you talking about!?! Clemson has matched bama per win the past 10 years. Before you start saying stupid shit, do your research.
@@hitwonder101 Clemson is washed.
They just let any fool post here...must be a fan of the leeches...you will find out what happens when they leave and bring their 3 recent national championships, top 10 tv ratings, sell out crowds and all the ACC championships the past 20 years but 1...what a clown post..
@@vistatiger7493 Frank Howard and Danny Ford both had excellent runs.
As long as the ACC has that path to the playoffs I really don't care who comes in and who goes out. The ACC should schedule clemson on that Black Friday without their consent.... the ACC should not go out of its way to accommodate the Cinnamin rolls or the Penn State of the South clemson.
Lol yes snub your only money makers! Thats why they are leaving
Maybe you scrubs will be able to win the Atlantic for once... Oh, wait, the divisions are gone. Winning G5 championships is still cool, though, right?
@@encycl07pedia- I'm sure it probably but enjoy your time in obscurity.... your no longer relevant.
@@MegaFrankgarcia FSU is more relevant than Louisville ever was. LMFAO! The ones who are going to be in obscurity are the ones stuck in non-power conferences.
@@MegaFrankgarcia My no longer relevant what? FSU won 19 games in a row and should have been in the CFI. When's the last time L-ville did that?
You can't spell "Louisville" without 3 Ls.
The ACC is dead 💀 without FSU & CLEMSON. The Big 10 wont go past 20 teams and Notre Dame will be the 20th team. ESPN WILL NOT EXTEND THEIR CONTRACT WITH THE ACC AFTER 2026-2027. SEC will only take 2 teams. The Big 12 will only take 4 teams.
ESPN keeps things just like they are in the look in for the ACC teams allowing FSU and Clemson to go to the SEC. With a continuing of the Media deal as is, the ACC loses the "damages" of FSU and Clemson leaving.
The current ESPN Deal is going to STAY INTACT. ESPN needs the Deal to Stay Intact more that the ACC needs it.
You clearly have NO CLUE about ANY FACT involved in that TV Contract or how much ESPN has laid on the Line to RELY on the ACC.
ESPN let the B1G WALK only to replace the B1G with the ACC in every Time Slot the B1G used to get and ESPN gets BETTER RATINGS with the ACC in those Slots.
ESPN handed the Big 12 the DAGGER to UNALIVE the PAC 12... and grabbed CAL and Stanford forthe ACC to replace PAC 12 After Dark in the ACC.
ESPN Invested $1 BILLION in the ACC Network for a $2.5 BILLION Return that ESPN cannot Collect if the ACC goes away.
ESPN gave the ACC a Pro Rata so that it can ADD anybody to make sure the ACC can maintain the COMPOSITIONS CLAUSE in the TV Contract because ESPN KNEW 9 years ago that the SEC and B1G were going to RAID the Power 5... and ESPN wanted to be SURE the ACC would SURVIVE Post Raid.
AND
ESPN has been PAYING the ACC $16 Million MORE per school that you have seen Reported because the Sports Media is FINANCIALLY ILLITERATE and is not SMART ENOUGH to look at a Simple Balance Sheet beyond looking at the REVENUE. If they LOOKED at the TOP of the Balance Sheet and not just the BOTTOM they would see the ACC teams all have a $16 Million GAP between INCOME and REVENUE and no other Conference does. That MIGHT stir their Imagination Enough to ask WHY and then LEARN WHY and INFORM YOU. But they are all TOO DUMB and can only Parrot what others have said. You know what that is like. It is what YOU do. "SQUAWK!! The TV Deal will END. SQUAWK!!!"
Big 12 has NOTHING it can OFFER ACC Teams. And Big 12 INCOME has been 2/3 ACC INCOME for the past 8 years.
Their REVENUE has been roughly the SAME. But LEARN to READ a Financial Statement and you will stop believing BS about the Big 12 and ACC.
The Big 12 is NOT DONE being RAIDED yet. Kansas is as good as gone. The "Utah Rumor" was a too early LEAK, not a Rumor.
The B1G is definitely going to grab a school from Texas because the MARKET is too HUGE not to get into. Maybe Tech idk, it doesn't matter.
And other Big 12 schools already have a HOOK in their Mouths from the Power 3's Trotlines and waiting to be pulled in.