Great review, I found a 245 made in 2008 with “made in Germany” on the slide unfired. It came with with 6 6 round mags ( 4 non dimpled 245 and two dimpled 220 compact ) and two 8 round mags with the Sig xgrip extensions. I installed the short reset trigger kit and this is my favorite 45 to date which includes my HK USP Expert, CZ 97, Glock 21 and Sig P220ST This gun has less recoil with far less muzzle flip than my P220ST with a steel frame !
Thanks, my friend! Yeah, the P245 is an amazing little gun. I owned a HK45c, a USPc 45, a 4516-2, a full-size P220 and an all-steel Colt Commander .45... the P245 outshoots the all. And has no more recoil than any of them. That's pretty amazing that you experience less flip with the P245 vs. the P220ST. Thanks for the comment!
Great video!!! I remember one of these in the display case at my LGS back in the day. I asked what model it was and he said it's a P245. Roll ahead many years now I own and love the P220. Was surfing the other night and found a very clean P245 for what I consider and very good price. I went for it and I'm so glad I pulled the trigger. As stated my Browning BDA (P220) and my P6 are two of my favorite rolled slides. This i think will be another great addition to them. Enjoyed the video and enthusiasm with the platform.
Thank you so much for the kind words! Yeah, I have a soft spot for the old rolled-slide Sigs. I think I've owned all of them, at one point or another--the P6/P225 and this P245 are the ones I have left (plus 3 P239s and a P229). And congrats on the P245! I think you'll love it. And, as I said in the video, only thing I'd keep in mind are those dimpled mags. They're still floating around on eBay here and there... so... not too hard to find. In any case, thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
I use to have the hookup on Sigs. I’ve owned 23 of them I believe. This is the only one I regret letting go of. About the best shooting gun I’ve owned. But 6 round mags…and it wasn’t that much easier to carry than a Glock 19…so I gave up on it. Wish I had kept it though
Wow, dude! And here I thought I was ballin' with a measly 6 Sigs. But I'm with you--the P245 is special. In my hands, it's always had a bit more magic than other Sigs. That said, I can shoot P239s about as well. But still--there's something uniquely cool about the P245's big, bubbly recoil impulse. Thanks so much the comment and the sub!
One of the best reviews on the P245 I’ve send, I couldn’t tell you why I liked shooting it so much until now. I’ve always shot the compact Pistol better than full size but wanted a full size 45 until I shot the p245 and wanted it, learned something new on the magazines info. Worth watching the full video. I would like to know what Aftermarket sights you have on it
Thanks so much for the kind words, my friend! Yeah, the P245 is a special little gun, for sure. It's a gem not a lot of people are aware of... and I wanted make sure I did it justice. Really happy I own mine. Thanks for the comment!
Also I worked them down from 650 to 400 because it’s been there about a year and now the market has slowed down . Also people rocked 38 5 shot for hundred years . Most situations people are out minded and not outgunned . It’s simple I don’t hang out at bad places and at night I sit on my deck and smoke cigars .
That still blows you mind you got a P245 for $400! I'd but a second one for that. And I agree--stay away from war zones and you don't need a 20-round fun stick to save your life. Thanks for the comment!
Ohhhh! So jealous. Last one of those I saw on GB went for big money. I'm guessing they did some extra trigger work on those? I mean, trigger's pretty good as-is. But I can't imagine how well this gun would shoot with a little bit of "help." Thanks for watching and for the comment!
Yes. Slide has zero play, trigger is well perfect. Nickel boron finish. I have not shot it. Yes they fetch thousands of dollars 3 to 5k Extremely rare.
I own p220 & p245. Also selling guns for 20 years, travel and spring tension design is something that I try to explain to my customers all the time, you are a critical thinker and you nailed it in my opinion
Thank you so much! I'm glad my pseudo-scientific musings are reaching someone :) But yeah... there seems to be a bit of "X factor" with the P245. And the differences in springs/travel offer a potential explanation. Thanks again!
I'm shopping for one now... Great video...I learned a lot. I agree with you on the PX4. I had one in 40 back in 2006. I had just started autos and the px4 gave me a baseball size group vs a softball size with the smith and wesson I had.
Held one today my hands too big w the 6rd mags but felt great w a standard 8 rd mag not one of the extender ones. Seemed very well made & a decent deal ...three 6 riders box and docs & got him willing to throw in 8rder 220 mag.
Yeah, if you've got bigs hands... I could see how it would be an issue. It feels about perfect, for me. But... I have the hands of an anemic teenage girl. So... the P245 works perfectly for me :)
Awesome video as always. I enjoy your content! You should get your hands on a kahr K9. Interesting history, rare combination of striker fired and steel frame, and a truly great shooter, especially for a compact pistol.
Thanks a lot, my friend! I actually had a K9 for a few years. It was a really good gun. 100% reliable. Accurate. About the size of a Glock 43. I sold it mainly because the trigger was lighter than I was expecting for a DAO. I mean, the trigger was excellent, but it felt more like an SAO trigger with some takeup than the "revolver-like" feel I was hoping for. So, I would only carry it in a rigid holster... and I hate rigid holsters :) But it was a damn nice gun. I'd kinda like to get my hands on a T9, just because they're freakin' cool... but those are sooo rare. Kahr did a run of T9s in '20 or '21. I should have grabbed one then. In any case... thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
@@HipsterTactical I understand your considerations about the trigger! I shoot Kahrs really well. Triggers are smooth, consistent, and predictable. I also like the rolling break they have (I tend to setup glocks the same way as far as the break goes). I also only feel comfortable with a rigid holster for kahrs (and most striker fired pistols with no active safeties). I wonder if the slightly longer NY style K9 triggers would suit you better. I believe at some point in the early 2000s all standard kahrs started shipping with the shorter Elite trigger. Should be about 1/8 of an inch shorter travel than the original k9 trigger. Weight is the same if I recall correctly. The T9s are indeed very cool! thanks again for the cool content!
I totally believe it. The P245 is plush-shooting little cannon. As far as holsters... I'd think a P245 should fit in just about any P220 holster. I usually carry in soft/generic holsters, so it's a non-issue. But, for instance, I have a Galco Miami Classic Shoulder holster that fits all of my P2XX Sigs. Thanks for the comment!
@@chrisdelarosa6801 Oh nice! I had a TT XC Slim for the CZ RAMI I had, a while back. Damn good holster. And yeah... the German Sigs are great. I've an OG P225 and pre-rail P229, at the moment. Had a P228 and a 1988 P226 before... kinda miss 'em. But I honestly shoot the P245 and the P239 best of all the Sigs I've had.
Not sure why you would go for a 6+1 P245 over a lighter 10+1 G30S if there was a 10 shot mag restriction. If you want something slimmer the 6+1 G36 is great. Both accept the heavier NY 1 trigger spring and LTT Striker Control Device so are safe to carry. The Glocks are also flatter so better suited to concealed carry, and easy to find as they are much more popular and are still being manufactured. The only SIG I would buy is the P225 for use with heavy winter gloves as it has a huge trigger guard (only 0.2" higher than the P245 - 5.2" vs. 5")
The reason why is because of how the gun shoots. For me, capacity and weight are not the only metrics that matter; as I explain in the video, the P245 is magic in terms of feel and shot placement. Plus, the Glock 30 has a much thicker slide than a classic Sig (except for maybe a legacy P229). The Glock 36 is pretty close, though, in terms of slide width. I will say the G30 and G36 impressed me in terms of how they shot; much better than a G19, in my experience. But the P245 is still on another level. In my opinion, of course. Thanks!
@@HipsterTactical The G30 and G30SF have a fat slide whereas the G30S has the thinner/lighter slide used on the G36 (25.5mm vs 28.5mm). I prefer the feel of the G30S grip over the thinner G36 grip but prefer the later for concealed carry as it is thinner and noticeably lighter loaded. I prefer both their grips to the one on the G19 which is just a chopped G17 grip so my hand feels like it's slipping off. That said, 9mm pistols are more reliable than .45 ACP pistols (the 9mm round is smaller, lighter, and has a tapered case so is inherently more feed reliable while the spent case is easier to extract) so are better for defensive use IMO. I love the P225 as it's also great for cold weather use with heavy gloves. Higher capacity pistols like the P229 have smaller trigger guards and fatter grips so are not as well suited to use with heavy gloves. The only other defensive handgun I like is the 9mm LCR which is great for IWB and jacket / vest / nightgown pocket carry. I used to like big .357 Mag revolvers for bear defense, but what good are they if you are wearing heavy gloves when charged by a bear? A deep penetrating 9mm bullet will reliably penetrate a bear's skull, like the hard cast flat nose 147gr. bullets used in loads from Underwood Ammo and Buffalo Bore.
@@Lutz101 I missed that you mentioned the G30S. True. It has the thinner slide. But, I think the Sig's slide would no thicker... if not still thinner. Either way, if you haven't tried one of the .45 P2XX Sigs... they're great. And, obviously, the P245 is my fave. Never really considered the trigger guard, but it doesn't seem small on the .45 Sigs.
That was more or my exact reaction when I found out this gun existed--I had one a few months later. They're awesome. Also a big P239 fan--at one point a P239 and a P245 were my only two pistols. Honestly... one could do a lot worse. Thanks for the comment!
I received an email alert the other day from a subscribed firearms company and they had one Police Turn-in, very clean. I personally have never heard about this pistol, although a fan of the 220 series pistols and I own other metal framed SIGs (232, 239, 227, 228). I immediately just clicked and bought it, now I'm waiting and doing research, backwards approach I know but I knew I liked it as soon as I saw it! I love my HK45's, hopefully more comfortable to carry than my 45C. I prefer Unicorn guns and I think this just might be the ticket.
Nice! I've done it "backwards" too. If you don't like a gun, you can always sell it. But... I can't imagine you won't like the P245. I had a HK45c and a USP45c myself (between P245s). To me, the P245 shoots and conceals better. It's just a more natural feel in terms of shooting and handling (in my opinion). My only advice is just try to source some "dimple" mags (sometimes they're known as "The P220 Compact Mags"). They're often available on eBay. Thanks so much for watching and I hope you love the P245!
So If I can only get one....a 245 to carry 3ocklock w a 220 mag or a 239 .40 & putting a +1 baseplate on that I could carry at 3 or Appendix? 245 3 6 riders 1 220 box and docs got em down 100tk $599....tax 60 background 10 so 670 is a lot for me. It had a very good trigger
Damn good question. If I had to pick a "big-bore" P239 (i.e., .40 or .357) or a P245... tough decision. I actually thought of doing a video on this very question. In my mind, a .40/.357 P239 and a P245 kind a fill the same niche: reasonably compact carry guns in hard-hitting calibers with low capacity. To me, the 9mm P239 fills a different niche. They're both incredibly accurate--it probably comes down to which one fits your hand better. Though, I personally get little more of an "X-factor" in terms of intuitive shot placement with the P245. But I can shoot equally tight groups with both a P239 and a P245. The slide on the P245 is actually less heavy/bulky. Recoil is... different on both; but not light, on either gun. In terms of reliability, both are... though I'd probably put my money on the P239 to run in adverse conditions--plus, you get the machined slide, which is probably more durable in the long run. They're both awesome. It really comes down to personal preference.
Yeah, Hogue's Rosewood grips ain't cheap. But they're really solid... buy once cry once, as they say. I personally didn't like DAK; it has two reset points, and it gives you a significantly lighter trigger pull if you use the second reset point.... but, to me, it breaks too early in the stroke so it has a ton of overtravel. I found it harder to control than a "normal" Sig DA. Though your mileage may vary.
FWIW you got me looking at the flat recoil spring, the spring on my 239 has one less turn than my 245 and is thus shorter. The 239 has barely been shot. maybe they changed the formula along the way
Hmm. That’s interesting. Are you looking at a 9mm P239, by chance? That’s definitely different than what you use in the P245. That said, there may have been a move toward spring standardization between .40/.357 P239s / SP2022s & P245s. I remember the factory P245 springs being blue… but those went away, and the “Sig endorsed” spring for the P245 became the same black spring used on the .40/.357 guns. Thanks for the comment!
@@HipsterTactical No it is a .40. I bought it and a P232 as both police sample pistols from a dealer at a gun show that deal with law enforcement sales. Must have been near 15 years ago. The dealer was from southeast Indiana both springs look the same with a blue coating, I haven't tried testing the spring rate pressure
Thanks, man! I really appreciate it. There’s a few for sale on Gunbroker right now. I’m not sure I can post stuff for sale on here without violating some TH-cam directive… but… just search “P239 Recoil Spring .40” (again, the P245 takes the same spring). There’s a brand new one on there. Thanks again!
Man, I can't remember for sure. I THOUGHT they were rosewood... but, looking at Hogue's site, I think they're Kingwood. Either way, any Hogue grips will be great. Thanks for the comment!
I'm recently into all metal pistols, (92X RDO Compact, P938 Legion) I'm currently looking at P220 Legion but I'm trying to decide between the 45ACP & .10mm, of course the 10mm is all steel, while the 45ACP has a aluminum frame. I also currently have a P320 X-Ten, which I like (no issues or malfunctions in 500 rounds) the ammo prices are about the same but I see less 10mm. I may trade the X-Ten but I have about 800 rounds of ammo, 500 defensive. My use profile is home defense/range. Is the Legion worth the price, sould I just keep the X-Ten and get one of the 45's? Your video almost made me want to look for a P245! 😅 Good stuff, very interesting! Thanks!
Hey Man! I wish could offer more context... I've never owned a P320 or a Legion. But I'll say this: maybe the more "pertinent" question is whether you want DA/SA / hammer-fired vs. striker fired. For me, part of the draw with old-school Sigs is the DA/SA system. Though they do make P220 Legions in SAO, I believe. I'll also say the older Sigs come from a different era of quality and consistency in terms of manufacturing. Most of the small parts are machined steel and everything was made in-house, in Germany or the USA. An old P220 or a P245 is just... something special... that will probably never exist again. Anyway, hope that helps! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the tip. Yeah, I've been going back and forth on whether or not to send it to James. It just costs a fortune to ship by air these days... and then you've got the risk of the shipping and handling. There's a gunsmith here in town that I've used for other projects--the fix is pretty easy, I just don't have 13 hands. So, I may check with them to see if they feel comfortable doing it. Thanks again!
I kinda miss my P220--mine was a non-proofed/American assembled one like yours. I'll probably own another one, at some point. But the P245/4506-1 dichotomy serves my big bore needs well, for now. Thanks for the comment!
@@HipsterTactical just got a 226 DAK blue box . Mint condition and 3 mag for 6. The disregard for the DAK was good for my wallet . Basically a double action that if you short stroke it will still fire with a heavier shorter pull in case you didn’t mean to. Ah Germans over engineering. It’s the smoothest da though . Side by side the DAK is better the the first pull of any my da sa first pull. For long volley though it is more work . Always a pro and con . But a mint German frame New Hampshire upper DAK for 6 is really a deal. Maybe disrespectful but none the less a deal .
I still don't know why the p245 didn't do better on the market 😒 😕? It had a following with people but not better than that? It was that way for me with the Beretta 92. That was my 1st gun. And I did the Sig Armerors course back in 2005. Once people shoot the P245 they really like it. 👍
Yeah, man. It's one of the best kept secrets in the Sig lineup. I tend to think it kinda showed up at the crossroads of change at Sig Sauer. It started using the stamped slides at a time when Sig was transitioning to milled slides... and probably looking to economize their lineup, overall. All the proprietary parts on the P245 probably made them go back to something closer to the P220. At least that's my theory. Thanks for the comment!
Good stuff, interestingly enough I’ve recently gotten my 239 back (long story) and I really like this gun. I’m aware of all the negatives by todays standards but it shots like a dream (I’ve got a 220 and a 226) it’s heavy, low capacity blah blah blah I don’t need that many shots as it shots as well as my 226 (more it shots as well as I do) regardless I like it, I trust if I do my part it’ll do it’s part every time
Yeah--that's my take on the P239. It shoots incredibly well, regardless of its size and capacity. And... it just happens to be small. Which is awesome. Thanks so much for the comment and for watching!
Matt, if your done discovering Best of Legacy breed ? could you live with just one brand, Sig Sauer ? You keep me lusting for Legacy comforting best of best. More Signess please ✌️💥☮️ ps, P220 Compact or P245 ? If you can keep just one ?
Ohhh… that’s a tough one. One brand? I think the Sig P2xx pistols offer the best range of pistols to every niche. So, if I had to stick to one brand… German Sigs. Though I prefer a Beretta 92 to a P226, one to one. Just one Sig??? It’s either the P239 or the P245. Two of my most favorite guns. Thanks, man! I’m gonna review my classic Sig P225/P6 sometime this spring!
I mean... god gave you two kidneys for a reason right?? I kid, I kid. But it's seriously an awesome gun if you ever find the funds. Thanks for the comment.
Great review,
I found a 245 made in 2008 with “made in Germany” on the slide unfired. It came with with 6 6 round mags ( 4 non dimpled 245 and two dimpled 220 compact ) and two 8 round mags with the Sig xgrip extensions. I installed the short reset trigger kit and this is my favorite 45 to date which includes my HK USP Expert, CZ 97, Glock 21 and Sig P220ST
This gun has less recoil with far less muzzle flip than my P220ST with a steel frame !
Thanks, my friend! Yeah, the P245 is an amazing little gun. I owned a HK45c, a USPc 45, a 4516-2, a full-size P220 and an all-steel Colt Commander .45... the P245 outshoots the all. And has no more recoil than any of them. That's pretty amazing that you experience less flip with the P245 vs. the P220ST. Thanks for the comment!
I’m actually considering replacing my p239 .40 with one of these.
Great video!!! I remember one of these in the display case at my LGS back in the day. I asked what model it was and he said it's a P245. Roll ahead many years now I own and love the P220. Was surfing the other night and found a very clean P245 for what I consider and very good price. I went for it and I'm so glad I pulled the trigger. As stated my Browning BDA (P220) and my P6 are two of my favorite rolled slides. This i think will be another great addition to them. Enjoyed the video and enthusiasm with the platform.
Thank you so much for the kind words! Yeah, I have a soft spot for the old rolled-slide Sigs. I think I've owned all of them, at one point or another--the P6/P225 and this P245 are the ones I have left (plus 3 P239s and a P229). And congrats on the P245! I think you'll love it. And, as I said in the video, only thing I'd keep in mind are those dimpled mags. They're still floating around on eBay here and there... so... not too hard to find. In any case, thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
I use to have the hookup on Sigs. I’ve owned 23 of them I believe. This is the only one I regret letting go of. About the best shooting gun I’ve owned.
But 6 round mags…and it wasn’t that much easier to carry than a Glock 19…so I gave up on it.
Wish I had kept it though
Wow, dude! And here I thought I was ballin' with a measly 6 Sigs. But I'm with you--the P245 is special. In my hands, it's always had a bit more magic than other Sigs. That said, I can shoot P239s about as well. But still--there's something uniquely cool about the P245's big, bubbly recoil impulse. Thanks so much the comment and the sub!
One of the best reviews on the P245 I’ve send, I couldn’t tell you why I liked shooting it so much until now. I’ve always shot the compact
Pistol better than full size but wanted a full size 45 until I shot the p245 and wanted it, learned something new on the magazines info. Worth watching the full video. I would like to know what
Aftermarket sights you have on it
Thanks so much for the kind words, my friend! Yeah, the P245 is a special little gun, for sure. It's a gem not a lot of people are aware of... and I wanted make sure I did it justice. Really happy I own mine. Thanks for the comment!
Great video, brought me back years. I regret selling my P245. looking for it again. Thanks for your thoughts!!!
Also I worked them down from 650 to 400 because it’s been there about a year and now the market has slowed down . Also people rocked 38 5 shot for hundred years . Most situations people are out minded and not outgunned . It’s simple I don’t hang out at bad places and at night I sit on my deck and smoke cigars .
That still blows you mind you got a P245 for $400! I'd but a second one for that. And I agree--stay away from war zones and you don't need a 20-round fun stick to save your life. Thanks for the comment!
I have one of the limited custom shop p245 work of art
Ohhhh! So jealous. Last one of those I saw on GB went for big money. I'm guessing they did some extra trigger work on those? I mean, trigger's pretty good as-is. But I can't imagine how well this gun would shoot with a little bit of "help." Thanks for watching and for the comment!
Yes. Slide has zero play, trigger is well perfect. Nickel boron finish. I have not shot it. Yes they fetch thousands of dollars 3 to 5k Extremely rare.
Yours in actually made in germany the customs were not even stamped made in germany.
I own p220 & p245. Also selling guns for 20 years, travel and spring tension design is something that I try to explain to my customers all the time, you are a critical thinker and you nailed it in my opinion
Thank you so much! I'm glad my pseudo-scientific musings are reaching someone :) But yeah... there seems to be a bit of "X factor" with the P245. And the differences in springs/travel offer a potential explanation. Thanks again!
Love mine. Recoil is more forgiving than any 45 pistol I've fired to date. Super accurate.
Yeah, there’s something special about the P245. I try other 45s… and the P245 continues to be the go-to for me. Thanks for the comment!
I'm shopping for one now...
Great video...I learned a lot.
I agree with you on the PX4. I had one in 40 back in 2006. I had just started autos and the px4 gave me a baseball size group vs a softball size with the smith and wesson I had.
Held one today my hands too big w the 6rd mags but felt great w a standard 8 rd mag not one of the extender ones. Seemed very well made & a decent deal ...three 6 riders box and docs & got him willing to throw in 8rder 220 mag.
Yeah, if you've got bigs hands... I could see how it would be an issue. It feels about perfect, for me. But... I have the hands of an anemic teenage girl. So... the P245 works perfectly for me :)
Awesome bro! Great video
Thanks, bro! I appreciate it!
Awesome video as always. I enjoy your content! You should get your hands on a kahr K9. Interesting history, rare combination of striker fired and steel frame, and a truly great shooter, especially for a compact pistol.
Thanks a lot, my friend! I actually had a K9 for a few years. It was a really good gun. 100% reliable. Accurate. About the size of a Glock 43. I sold it mainly because the trigger was lighter than I was expecting for a DAO. I mean, the trigger was excellent, but it felt more like an SAO trigger with some takeup than the "revolver-like" feel I was hoping for. So, I would only carry it in a rigid holster... and I hate rigid holsters :) But it was a damn nice gun. I'd kinda like to get my hands on a T9, just because they're freakin' cool... but those are sooo rare. Kahr did a run of T9s in '20 or '21. I should have grabbed one then. In any case... thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
@@HipsterTactical I understand your considerations about the trigger! I shoot Kahrs really well. Triggers are smooth, consistent, and predictable. I also like the rolling break they have (I tend to setup glocks the same way as far as the break goes). I also only feel comfortable with a rigid holster for kahrs (and most striker fired pistols with no active safeties).
I wonder if the slightly longer NY style K9 triggers would suit you better. I believe at some point in the early 2000s all standard kahrs started shipping with the shorter Elite trigger. Should be about 1/8 of an inch shorter travel than the original k9 trigger. Weight is the same if I recall correctly.
The T9s are indeed very cool!
thanks again for the cool content!
Very educational video.
Thank you, sir! And thank you so much for watching.
I'm buying one just because I'm collecting the entire P220 family and the Sig Equinox guns
Nice! It's a great addition--you will not be disappointed. Most people I hear from seem to love the P245. Thanks for the comment!
The Swiss sp2009 or Sig Pro is something you should not leave out
Yeah, I've wanted an SP2009 for a while. I actually had an SP2340 for a while--just to shoot .357 SIG. But I sold it... Thanks!
Thanks for the video! Fantastic info! I’m really wanting an sig da/sa. This is on my short list.
Yeah man, the P245 is one of my faves. It definitely has that X-factor as far as shootability. Thanks so much for watching and I hope you grab one!
My p245 is softer recoiling than my p365 shooting 124 grain fmj. Just wish they had a bigger holster selection.
I totally believe it. The P245 is plush-shooting little cannon. As far as holsters... I'd think a P245 should fit in just about any P220 holster. I usually carry in soft/generic holsters, so it's a non-issue. But, for instance, I have a Galco Miami Classic Shoulder holster that fits all of my P2XX Sigs. Thanks for the comment!
@Hipster Tactical I use a TT Gunleather for the p228. Fits it nicely but would love to find a nice aiwb sidecar style. Love my German pistols.
@@chrisdelarosa6801 Oh nice! I had a TT XC Slim for the CZ RAMI I had, a while back. Damn good holster. And yeah... the German Sigs are great. I've an OG P225 and pre-rail P229, at the moment. Had a P228 and a 1988 P226 before... kinda miss 'em. But I honestly shoot the P245 and the P239 best of all the Sigs I've had.
Thought I saw a p245 option for a Crossbreed holster on their website. Yep. Super Tuck IWB on sale for under $60 as of 12-29-23. Hope that helps.
Not sure why you would go for a 6+1 P245 over a lighter 10+1 G30S if there was a 10 shot mag restriction. If you want something slimmer the 6+1 G36 is great. Both accept the heavier NY 1 trigger spring and LTT Striker Control Device so are safe to carry. The Glocks are also flatter so better suited to concealed carry, and easy to find as they are much more popular and are still being manufactured. The only SIG I would buy is the P225 for use with heavy winter gloves as it has a huge trigger guard (only 0.2" higher than the P245 - 5.2" vs. 5")
The reason why is because of how the gun shoots. For me, capacity and weight are not the only metrics that matter; as I explain in the video, the P245 is magic in terms of feel and shot placement. Plus, the Glock 30 has a much thicker slide than a classic Sig (except for maybe a legacy P229). The Glock 36 is pretty close, though, in terms of slide width. I will say the G30 and G36 impressed me in terms of how they shot; much better than a G19, in my experience. But the P245 is still on another level. In my opinion, of course. Thanks!
@@HipsterTactical The G30 and G30SF have a fat slide whereas the G30S has the thinner/lighter slide used on the G36 (25.5mm vs 28.5mm). I prefer the feel of the G30S grip over the thinner G36 grip but prefer the later for concealed carry as it is thinner and noticeably lighter loaded. I prefer both their grips to the one on the G19 which is just a chopped G17 grip so my hand feels like it's slipping off. That said, 9mm pistols are more reliable than .45 ACP pistols (the 9mm round is smaller, lighter, and has a tapered case so is inherently more feed reliable while the spent case is easier to extract) so are better for defensive use IMO.
I love the P225 as it's also great for cold weather use with heavy gloves. Higher capacity pistols like the P229 have smaller trigger guards and fatter grips so are not as well suited to use with heavy gloves. The only other defensive handgun I like is the 9mm LCR which is great for IWB and jacket / vest / nightgown pocket carry. I used to like big .357 Mag revolvers for bear defense, but what good are they if you are wearing heavy gloves when charged by a bear? A deep penetrating 9mm bullet will reliably penetrate a bear's skull, like the hard cast flat nose 147gr. bullets used in loads from Underwood Ammo and Buffalo Bore.
@@Lutz101 I missed that you mentioned the G30S. True. It has the thinner slide. But, I think the Sig's slide would no thicker... if not still thinner. Either way, if you haven't tried one of the .45 P2XX Sigs... they're great. And, obviously, the P245 is my fave. Never really considered the trigger guard, but it doesn't seem small on the .45 Sigs.
Wow. I didn't know about this gun. I have a lot of Sigs too. P239 is one of my carry pieces. I have to find one of these
That was more or my exact reaction when I found out this gun existed--I had one a few months later. They're awesome. Also a big P239 fan--at one point a P239 and a P245 were my only two pistols. Honestly... one could do a lot worse. Thanks for the comment!
I received an email alert the other day from a subscribed firearms company and they had one Police Turn-in, very clean. I personally have never heard about this pistol, although a fan of the 220 series pistols and I own other metal framed SIGs (232, 239, 227, 228). I immediately just clicked and bought it, now I'm waiting and doing research, backwards approach I know but I knew I liked it as soon as I saw it! I love my HK45's, hopefully more comfortable to carry than my 45C. I prefer Unicorn guns and I think this just might be the ticket.
Nice! I've done it "backwards" too. If you don't like a gun, you can always sell it. But... I can't imagine you won't like the P245. I had a HK45c and a USP45c myself (between P245s). To me, the P245 shoots and conceals better. It's just a more natural feel in terms of shooting and handling (in my opinion). My only advice is just try to source some "dimple" mags (sometimes they're known as "The P220 Compact Mags"). They're often available on eBay. Thanks so much for watching and I hope you love the P245!
So If I can only get one....a 245 to carry 3ocklock w a 220 mag or a 239 .40 & putting a +1 baseplate on that I could carry at 3 or Appendix? 245 3 6 riders 1 220 box and docs got em down 100tk $599....tax 60 background 10 so 670 is a lot for me. It had a very good trigger
Damn good question. If I had to pick a "big-bore" P239 (i.e., .40 or .357) or a P245... tough decision. I actually thought of doing a video on this very question. In my mind, a .40/.357 P239 and a P245 kind a fill the same niche: reasonably compact carry guns in hard-hitting calibers with low capacity. To me, the 9mm P239 fills a different niche. They're both incredibly accurate--it probably comes down to which one fits your hand better. Though, I personally get little more of an "X-factor" in terms of intuitive shot placement with the P245. But I can shoot equally tight groups with both a P239 and a P245. The slide on the P245 is actually less heavy/bulky. Recoil is... different on both; but not light, on either gun. In terms of reliability, both are... though I'd probably put my money on the P239 to run in adverse conditions--plus, you get the machined slide, which is probably more durable in the long run. They're both awesome. It really comes down to personal preference.
125$ for chickweed Rosewood dang...which I have there? EVER shot a DAK and love or hate? I like hk light lem
Yeah, Hogue's Rosewood grips ain't cheap. But they're really solid... buy once cry once, as they say. I personally didn't like DAK; it has two reset points, and it gives you a significantly lighter trigger pull if you use the second reset point.... but, to me, it breaks too early in the stroke so it has a ton of overtravel. I found it harder to control than a "normal" Sig DA. Though your mileage may vary.
Great gun that's gone the distance. Picked one up for carry in '99, still with me. Perfect performance with very little maintenance.
That's great to hear! Mine's a '98. Runs like a top. Thanks for the comment!
Id love to have a compact Sig in 45acp. The 245 is a sweet ccw
With the short grip, it really is a damn good carry gun.
Wood grips FTW 😬
Haha. Thanks, man! Nothin like grippin 'grain on a .45.
Very thorough and informative . Thanks.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks so much for watching!
FWIW you got me looking at the flat recoil spring, the spring on my 239 has one less turn than my 245 and is thus shorter. The 239 has barely been shot. maybe they changed the formula along the way
Hmm. That’s interesting. Are you looking at a 9mm P239, by chance? That’s definitely different than what you use in the P245. That said, there may have been a move toward spring standardization between .40/.357 P239s / SP2022s & P245s. I remember the factory P245 springs being blue… but those went away, and the “Sig endorsed” spring for the P245 became the same black spring used on the .40/.357 guns. Thanks for the comment!
@@HipsterTactical No it is a .40. I bought it and a P232 as both police sample pistols from a dealer at a gun show that deal with law enforcement sales. Must have been near 15 years ago. The dealer was from southeast Indiana both springs look the same with a blue coating, I haven't tried testing the spring rate pressure
It's a circumcised p220.
Hahaha. Sorta… the P220 Compact definitely fits that description. Just a nip off the tip… and the grip.
Great video. Where do you find the flat recoil springs for the P245?
Thanks, man! I really appreciate it. There’s a few for sale on Gunbroker right now. I’m not sure I can post stuff for sale on here without violating some TH-cam directive… but… just search “P239 Recoil Spring .40” (again, the P245 takes the same spring). There’s a brand new one on there. Thanks again!
What color did you choose for your Hogue Wood Grips?
Man, I can't remember for sure. I THOUGHT they were rosewood... but, looking at Hogue's site, I think they're Kingwood. Either way, any Hogue grips will be great. Thanks for the comment!
The color looks great with the blued finish. I really should get some for my old P225. Gotta love the classic look of metal and wood!
@@HipsterTactical I went with Poco on my P229 west German classic
I'm recently into all metal pistols, (92X RDO Compact, P938 Legion) I'm currently looking at P220 Legion but I'm trying to decide between the 45ACP & .10mm, of course the 10mm is all steel, while the 45ACP has a aluminum frame. I also currently have a P320 X-Ten, which I like (no issues or malfunctions in 500 rounds) the ammo prices are about the same but I see less 10mm. I may trade the X-Ten but I have about 800 rounds of ammo, 500 defensive. My use profile is home defense/range.
Is the Legion worth the price, sould I just keep the X-Ten and get one of the 45's?
Your video almost made me want to look for a P245! 😅 Good stuff, very interesting! Thanks!
Hey Man! I wish could offer more context... I've never owned a P320 or a Legion. But I'll say this: maybe the more "pertinent" question is whether you want DA/SA / hammer-fired vs. striker fired. For me, part of the draw with old-school Sigs is the DA/SA system. Though they do make P220 Legions in SAO, I believe. I'll also say the older Sigs come from a different era of quality and consistency in terms of manufacturing. Most of the small parts are machined steel and everything was made in-house, in Germany or the USA. An old P220 or a P245 is just... something special... that will probably never exist again. Anyway, hope that helps! Thanks for watching!
@@HipsterTactical it does! I have no problem with da/sa or SAO pistols. Again good video, thanks for sharing!
For your P9 repairs, you might want to consider Teufelshund Tactical (has TH-cam channel). H&K extraordinaire and beautiful man.
Thanks for the tip. Yeah, I've been going back and forth on whether or not to send it to James. It just costs a fortune to ship by air these days... and then you've got the risk of the shipping and handling. There's a gunsmith here in town that I've used for other projects--the fix is pretty easy, I just don't have 13 hands. So, I may check with them to see if they feel comfortable doing it. Thanks again!
Sadly I bought this last night . My 220 German non proof marked American assembled now is sad the attention the 245 is getting .
I kinda miss my P220--mine was a non-proofed/American assembled one like yours. I'll probably own another one, at some point. But the P245/4506-1 dichotomy serves my big bore needs well, for now. Thanks for the comment!
@@HipsterTactical just got a 226 DAK blue box . Mint condition and 3 mag for 6. The disregard for the DAK was good for my wallet . Basically a double action that if you short stroke it will still fire with a heavier shorter pull in case you didn’t mean to. Ah Germans over engineering. It’s the smoothest da though . Side by side the DAK is better the the first pull of any my da sa first pull. For long volley though it is more work . Always a pro and con . But a mint German frame New Hampshire upper DAK for 6 is really a deal. Maybe disrespectful but none the less a deal .
That p225 is gold. I should’ve never sold mine
Yeah, I’ll always have a soft spot for the P225. Need to review it at some point.
I see you have the same gun safe I use.
@@jw8567 haha. Yeah. #racklife
I still don't know why the p245 didn't do better on the market 😒 😕? It had a following with people but not better than that? It was that way for me with the Beretta 92. That was my 1st gun. And I did the Sig Armerors course back in 2005. Once people shoot the P245 they really like it. 👍
Yeah, man. It's one of the best kept secrets in the Sig lineup. I tend to think it kinda showed up at the crossroads of change at Sig Sauer. It started using the stamped slides at a time when Sig was transitioning to milled slides... and probably looking to economize their lineup, overall. All the proprietary parts on the P245 probably made them go back to something closer to the P220. At least that's my theory. Thanks for the comment!
Good stuff, interestingly enough I’ve recently gotten my 239 back (long story) and I really like this gun. I’m aware of all the negatives by todays standards but it shots like a dream (I’ve got a 220 and a 226) it’s heavy, low capacity blah blah blah I don’t need that many shots as it shots as well as my 226 (more it shots as well as I do) regardless I like it, I trust if I do my part it’ll do it’s part every time
Yeah--that's my take on the P239. It shoots incredibly well, regardless of its size and capacity. And... it just happens to be small. Which is awesome. Thanks so much for the comment and for watching!
Hi. I would like to order p245 grip. Can you share tipe ofise grips that used. Is the rose and cocobolo. Thnak you
Hi there! They're Rosewood grips from Hogue. Thanks for watching!
Matt, if your done discovering Best of Legacy breed ? could you live with just one brand, Sig Sauer ?
You keep me lusting for Legacy comforting best of best. More Signess please ✌️💥☮️
ps, P220 Compact or P245 ? If you can keep just one ?
Ohhh… that’s a tough one. One brand? I think the Sig P2xx pistols offer the best range of pistols to every niche. So, if I had to stick to one brand… German Sigs. Though I prefer a Beretta 92 to a P226, one to one. Just one Sig??? It’s either the P239 or the P245. Two of my most favorite guns. Thanks, man! I’m gonna review my classic Sig P225/P6 sometime this spring!
Oh Man! That pistol is dead sexy! 👍💥👍💥👍
Thanks, Frank! It's one of my faves. This review's been a long time coming.
Great. Another discontinued sig to add to the list of guns I want lol.
Haha. That’s why I call it my “not-so-short” list 😁 Thanks for watching!
I really want this gun but im broke lol
I mean... god gave you two kidneys for a reason right?? I kid, I kid. But it's seriously an awesome gun if you ever find the funds. Thanks for the comment.
Three fingers ia all you need.
Yep. This one will get the job done.