This is for people that just want to move. Simple. I love it. Going to the gym alone is boring and I like that I have someone to help me along the way, whether it's a trainer or my workout partner.
As a person who has a trainer and does traditional resistance training 4 days a week, i still do f45 and it’s a huge benefit. I don’t do it for weight training but for an intense cardio burn that I would more than likely hate doing myself.
People forget that motivation and consistency plays a huge part in bodybuilding. I find myself skipping way too many leg days haha but HIIT classes forces me to show up and do it
I love F45, cause the gym is scary and idk what to do at the gym. The F45 instructors push us to our limits vs if I were at the gym I’d just got home once I felt tired
I have ADHD, and struggle with ptsd (combat). F45 helps me get out of my head and moving in a healthy way. It’s a gateway workout for people who want to get up and do something, but get overwhelmed at the gym. It’s not going to get you competition ready, but in a world where obesity is the norm… I’d rather someone go to F45 and enjoy it than be overwhelmed into resistance training.
I tried Orange Theory and didn't like it. It was during the pandemic, so it may be tainted, but my biggest drag was there was no camaraderie or getting motivated from others. Also, not crazy about the weird lights and the microphone from the trainer. What would you say are the big differences you noticed between the two or if there are any other comparisons?
I used to coach at orange theory while in college. Disagreed with the training model but it paid considerably well. F45 appears to do it better for an overall beginner friendly group class.
I've been going to F45 for just over a year now. I'll say this about it. Yes it does cost me more for membership, but I will never go back to a regular gym. I love my F45!
@@Soaring_Seajay Cool people, cool trainers. I get more done in 45 mins than I do 2 hours at a regular gym. My F45 plays hip hop music and has live DJ days. You work in groups or with a partner so it helps you stay motivated and the trainers will push you harder without being a dick.
@@Soaring_Seajay I have been going for 6 months now and i agree with the comment above. For me personally, I function way better in a group setting. The trainers are good - they push you but not by screaming in your ears. The cardio sessions really take it out of you. If my apple watch is anything to go by, then i do about 400-500 calories a session. I was pretty overweight and i have managed to lose quite a bit (an acquaintance didn't recognise me a couple of days ago), without really changing my diet. Overall a fun environment, don't need to use your brains too much, just go with the flow.
I have done 2 classes so far. Hard work, not fan of cardio but I did it. I could feel so quickly benefits and stenth. I just finished swimming and didn't feel like to stop for 45 min...felt so strong
I’ve been going for a month with my friends that have attended for a year. I have been impressed with my friends’ results so I wanted to try it. I am primarily a endurance ultra runner. All I ever do is cardio and I know that’s not good. I’ve tried the gym strength training but I am not disciplined enough to go. I feel like F45 has the right amount of strength training and plyometric exercises to help improve my running. The music, the sets, the people all keep me engaged where I don’t even realize 45 mins went by. I have time to quick shower and make it to work. For a person normally unwilling to get up early to exercise, I manage to make it to the 6am classes regularly. Depending on your goals, I think this is a great addition to a fitness routine. Maybe try it for a week and then do a proper review
Agreed, at the end of the day, as long as you're being active and it motivates you to be active vs inactive, then go for it. I did crossfit for several years and wound up getting hurt a few times; mostly my fault. I think you could get hurt doing F45, but you'd have to really work at it, lol. Eventually, I dialed everything way down and my motto was, "I'm here to get more healthy, not less healthy". The military trains people in groups and doesn't seem to have a problem getting people into shape. Not everyone wants to be a bodybuilder.
@@freepat101 the trainers at the F45 I go to have a BS in Exercise and Sport Science so they have been really great at modifying exercises for me and correcting my form. I am so glad because I don’t have a weightlifting background and this has been so new to me. I am slowly getting stronger. I can see now why people enjoy weightlifting. I am looking forward to seeing the changes in body composition this summer
I definitely agree that some of the F45 workouts can feel like cardio with weights. But not all. But i have to disagree with you guys that F45 is anything like orange theory. Only similarity is the non open gym format. It’s class based.. Other than that its a completely different style of training. I’ve been following the podcast for awhile so i understand that it doesn’t totally follow along with your method of strength training but i wouldn’t knock it completely without ever trying it out yourself.
@@PureWay4 As someone who has worked at both orangetheory, and F45 currently. Who trains privately and has over five years of training I can agree with this comment. I can also agree with the boys at mind pump on how it is not ideal for everyone. I’ve seen different people from different walks of life and some do need personal help especially when learning how to fire specific muscle groups, wearing basic movement patterns and stuff like that… However where I see the beauty in it is the community some people work out better when Community is involved and that is completely fine I make sure I harp my members on lifting with correct form and pushing themselves with heavier weights. When I was coaching orangetheory it was primarily cardio based now they are format is more of a strength power and endurance methodology but some of the exercises are just not practical and are not the greatest they are primarily cardio. Where F45 has different days cardio days and strength days the cardio days are based around either multiple sets with short time and short breaks, or smaller sets with longer work. The strength days are usually longer work. With longer rest breaks. In my opinion there is a place for all of these different training methodologies to coexist and it all depends on the individual.
Not mentioning a couple things that F45 just get right: 1. Nutritional education - an application of do-it-yourself meals and network of partners to make the food for you 2. Hours - classes to suit every schedule particularly early morning 5:30am perfect for parents, executives or the corporate warrior 3. Real time feedback - tracking your hr effort in real time that links back to the application
1. Generic info aimed at getting them to purchase certain foods namely associated with products they sell. Their meal plans are full expensive products 2. Class times are actually poor as they mean people are doing exercise fasted and a format that requires fuel as the marketed. Also class times burn out trainers who need to work split shifts so starting at 5am and finish at 8pm. Double travel, poor food timing for them 2.
3. Real time feedback but simply cab be achieved elsewhere with a garmin or any other hrm. Also these are focussed on calories burned and not how well exercise is done
@@bobdown5520 What's wrong with exercising when fasted? It's not like their body can't use glycogene stored on their muscles and liver then fat cells if needed. Moreover, what's preventing them to have a chocolate bar or any other source of fast carbs before their early morning work-out? It's not as if they need to have a full english breakfast or nothing. The work out shift might be poor for trainer but good for clients. And we're talking from the clients vewpoint, not the trainers. Feedback with a garmin? Which traditional gym or personal trainer offer a garmin for free? The app doesn't give a feedback on how well the exercice is done. And which traditional gym brand has an app that tell you how well you did the exercise. Oh well, I guess the solution is easy. Just fork out for a personal trainer. It's well know everybody can afford a personal trainer. It's also a given that anyone would rather spend 45mn - 1hr with a personal trainer than being part of a group going through the same challenging workout and feeling a bit part of a community and possibly make a couple new friends.
F45 is the best. Not everyone wants to go to the gym and see a bunch of guys lifting 500 pounds and feel like it's impossible. F45 is similar to Crossfit but your busier if that makes sense. Once you start, it's continuous....you go from one station to the next until it's over and I love it. I leave f45 feeling as if I just let go 100 calories or more after every workout
These guys have something to say about every other workout plan. Look, if it gets people moving and using their body, then let 'em do it. It is really hard to believe that regular strength training (how you propose) will truly get people leaner or with a lower body fat%. There will always be a place for group fitness.
I mean the science backs up their claims. They aren’t wrong. But I agree, if your goal is to just move your body and get your heart rate up, then go for it. But if it is to build muscle, then no. Too each their own.
I go to F45 5 days a week for almost a year. I'm never bored. So much better (and cheaper) than OT. I do resistance 3x/wk there and one cardio day a week. I've seen HUGE changes in my fitness at 46 and made so many friends. I can't imagine going to the gym by myself and lifting or with a trainer.
Thats good to hear! My dad is new to training, always hated working out, and he's overweight. F45 has been something he's stuck to for about 6 weeks. He recently increased his days to 3x per week strength. I myself am an experienced strength and conditioning coach and olympic weightlifter but my dad is too stubborn to train with me 😂 he needs someone else to coach him and a community to feel a part of which I understand. I hope he gets results with their training program even if it isn't ideal, I have to keep my opinions to myself and just encourage him as it's a great place to start his new lifestyle to improved health! What types of changes did you experience the most and is F45 the only thing you do or do you also do strength training and/or some other activities in addition? Take care and happy training!
What do you mean you go to F45 5 days a week, and do resistance 3x/wk there and one cardio day a week? That’s only 4 days… but also, isn’t the whole premise that it’s all resistance AND cardio, combined?? Are you saying you do SEPARATE resistance and cardio sessions, in addition to F45? I’m so confused.
I absolutely love MindPump and have listened for years, but I would hardly call is a "Review" if you haven't done F45 before? Orange theory are primarily cardio and make a lot more use of the big cardio equipment pieces (treadmills, bikes etc.) hence why it's compulsory to wear a HR monitor and get your splat points. Great use of the technology and similar to the F45 HR monitor, but a MUCH bigger focus on this at OT. F45 have 50% strength days and 50% cardio. I do strength training as well, so I do agree that F45 isn't the ideal environment for muscle hypertrophy vs. in a gym lifting heavier maybe doing a 2:1 rest:work ratio, but it is still a great way to get lean while still increasing your strength. The nutrition with F45 is the best I've seen on the market for a gym as well. F45 works for results - I've seen it for 100's of people. I own an F45 studio and I also sell Strength based gym workouts online (like MP) with my online business - so I see both sides and agree with both sides (and do both myself). Both pros and cons, but I felt this could have been done in more depth - was really keen to hear your thoughts on it understanding properly how it works/who it targets!
I’ve been doing F45 for 2 years now and I’m addicted. I used to get overwhelmed at the gym, never pushed myself that hard and couldn’t get results. When I first started doing F45, I felt like I wanted to throw up after every cardio session and I would be so exhausted and in pain after resistance classes. But the friendliness of the trainers and the good vibes of the class pushed me on, and now my endurance and strength levels are amazing and I can do more push ups and pull ups than my guy friends who go to a normal gym and even lift more/as much as them too (I’m a 5ft2” girl). I love the endorphin rush I get after every class. Sure, my muscles could be bigger if I spent longer on certain target areas. But I get bored really easily and I need variety, and I love how every F45 class keeps it moving in a different way every time. If you want to be an athlete, you probably need to go beyond F45 and do something more hardcore. But for the average person who wants to get to an amazing level of functional fitness and have fun doing it, I think F45 is a great option.
I was in the marine corps and have used running on and off for my fitness after getting out of the marine corps. I did spinning for a while to take it easy on my knees. My husband started going to F45 a whole yr before he finally convinced me to try it. I love it because I’ve never had an issue with cardio but struggle incorporating strength training in my routines and F45 helps me do both. My next step would be to incorporate weight training on my own but F45 has given me the confidence to even consider doing that. I say try it and see if it works for you
F45 is amazing program if you add extra your training routine. I will run and do weight lift + functional training. it will keep you in perfect shape and you can run marathon :) it is overall great program and keep you motivated in classes.
First day at F45.. 40 years old now and more focus on building up endurance, muscle strength. So F45 suits for me. I don’t need huge muscle masses because I don’t need that kind of hulk strength. Something I don’t understand, why many people focus on huge muscle build up ( of course for a sport it will be fine) if they don’t use them constantly in real life. But I like to build up muscles mass too….
One can build up hulk strength just for the challenge of being as strong as they can or other reasons. It doesn't need to be constantly used in real life. Many people spend years or a life time learning martial arts or training combat sports and they might never even used it in real life (at least they should hope to never have to use it aside from a competition event). It's not like the benefit of muscle endurance and intense cardio of a f45 work out would be used constantly in real life of any participant either. In real life, some people could do with less than what is done on f45 sessions and yet pay for f45 seeions just because they enjoy the challenge and community feel that they have in those sessions. I remember on two scenerios. First one was a slim fit young black woman shop attendant who told her colleague that she had just joined a gym. Her colleage asked why. She said,: 'look at you! You don't need it!' The young woman didn't know what to say and it felt to me like she was already regretting the money she gave to the gym. Yes, that young woman had a perfect body but couldn't she just work out for the sake of challenging herself or for keeping that perfect body as long as she could? The second scenario was that white woman in her mid 30s jogging outside a lake where she bumped into some female acquaintaces. They asked her why she was jogging, she looked terrific and didn't need it. She answered, I do it just because I like it not because I need it. What I mean by that, we don't need to all have the same reasons to take on physical activity, learning a language or do whatever. It could be because it will be useful to our daily lives or just because we like it or want to challenge ourselves.
I think they will get more out of it than just fun. Gym bros like to think that classes are a waste of time or just a bit better than sitting one's ass on the couch. But I can bet that if I spend the next 6-8 months to any proper circuit-training classes gym like f45 and I wanted to join a MMA dojo or a boxing club, I would be way more prepared conditionning-wise than if I stuck to traditional resistance training. In my opinion, these kind of training ismore beneficial to everyday life than traditional strength training where many guys couldn't run 5 miles to save their lives. I'm a gym bro myself, I know that I look in shape but I'm fit for shit (like most gym bros) 😁
Not everyone uses the same weight and you go at your own pace. You can definitely treat it like a normal resistance workout. No one forces you to do anything.
I beg to disagree. Just because you can motivate yourself doesn't mean you gonna know what circuit training to do in order to achieve your goals, and have the creativity to change it often enough to keep challenging yourself and not reach a plateau. Besides, if you need a certain numbers of machines or equipments to be available for your circuit you can't necessarily have them available for all your workout in a regular gym since you can't book them and someone could be using them when you need them. Even if one can motivate themselves it doesn't mean than the workout is as enjoyable than in a group workout. And it is easier to socialise with new people than in a commercial gym when many people want to keep to themselves wearing headsets and not trying to socialize with strangers.
I definitely built muscle doing F45. As long as you choose to increase the weight every time or over time for the same workouts, you will build muscle. It’s much better than orange theory imo.
I wish I could have a one on one class with a trained fitness instructor three times a week but that’s just too expensive. For me at least class base workouts with maybe 10 to 12 people are perfect as it gets more more into the workouts.
I only do F45 resistance training and I love it ! I do Saturdays classes too and it’s a hybrid resistance/cardio.. I’ve seen results within two months and I on it committed 4x a week
I run a weights and cardio bootcamp; Of course, personal training (weight training) is better. No doubt. Most people can’t afford that , unfortunately. That’s a big reason as to why bootcamp style is ideal in relation to finances for most people.
There is no 1-2 minutes rest. Instructors have been great. It can be tough on cardio days but still includes weight. I have to disagree with these guys. I also have a 24 hour fitness membership and I definitely do NOT push myself to the best I can like F45. Instructors push you also and help you along the way. I was lucky to get in a founding member membership when they opened behind my house.
Doing my 4th P45 workout today! It’s been great! Done my years at the gym before on my 20’s but needed something more motivational to get me back training! Workouts are tough I have to say! Not the usual pump class! 😂
So who is this workout for?? Is it for people who wants to loose weight, what about people that wants to build muscle? I have a rack in my gym with barbell, Smith machine and cable system. I love this type if workouts but also want to lift weights at least 3x a week. Anyways I love this type if workouts but I feel I will get too skinny if this is all I do and will be hard for me to build muscle??
Just my opinion and going to be a long answer, but just to add insight for others who are also curios and have a similar question to yours marco. F45 is going to be geared towards the general public who have the "lose weight and get stronger" goal/mentality. I'm not saying trained individuals/fitness enthusiasts shouldn't do F45's program, but these types of individuals have a specific fitness goal in mind, and they are most likely going to seek out trainers who will program for them, go to a group styled gym that addresses their goals specifically, or simply just do their own training(i.e. doing their own programming, setting their own diet plan, etc.). I think F45 and similarly styled gyms are great for losing weight, gaining strength and building muscle, but it's not so great when you want to get more specific with what you want from your training, and it's just because of the focus on group style training. They're trying to cover all bases of fitness in a specific time frame for each session. If you want to build muscle specifically, then focus on a hypertrophy focused program. If you want maximum strength development, a HIIT program isn't the most effective. If you want to lose weight, F45 and others are definitely going to help, but adhering to a good nutrition plan is going to be king because nutrition and exercise go hand in hand for addressing weight loss. I will say though, people who participate in this style of training( or any other training for that matter) is going to be in better physical condition than they were, before starting a fitness program. Starting as beginners, they're going to see the positives from their training because they're going from untrained condition to trained condition, but they'll get stuck in a phase that's more maintenance and not seeing any further improvement, even though they are what you would consider to be fit. Again, I know this reply is long, but taking your situation into consideration. I think you need to specify what exactly your goal is, and then asses to see if F45 can fit into that program. It sounds like you may be favoring muscle building more, correct me if I'm wrong, so follow a hypertrophy styled program. You've already got access to the proper equipment based on your question. However, remember in order to build muscle, you need to get yourself in a caloric surplus to effectively build the most muscle you can and making sure your recovery time good as well. And with that, there is the possibility of gaining a bit of body fat in the process(hence the bulking and cutting for bodybuilders). If you still want to bring F45 into the mix during this routine, you can get some of the benefits of cardio/conditioning. But, you're going to want to make sure that F45 sessions aren't robbing your muscle building sessions in terms of frequency, intensity and rest/sleep. Fitness like most other things, it really is a give and take situation for what you want. It's a case of the 'Jack of all trades, master of none', but instead of skillsets it's the results you're looking for. Just let me know what you're thoughts are.
@@AVGNMGS2 damn bro great explain and thank u for taking the time for this great response. Yes I want my muscles to shoow more and for that I been trying to loose my body fat to get leaner. I been doing full body workouts for about 2 months or so with supper sets in it m,w and f. On Tuesday I do low intensity cardio and Thursday I do 20-30 min of hitt/functional trainning with kettlebels, sandbags, etc, etc... Iam a fit 50 year old about 5"8. 178lbs. I been eating about 2000 calories a day and I been loosing some body fat:) and still weight the same.
@@futbol1972 No problem dude, I always enjoy just giving whatever advice I can give, especially within the fitness realm, because it's definitely one of those things that's a journey. You have to learn how to exercise based on your needs.
@@AVGNMGS2So, in your opinion would CrossFit be better for overall fitness training? For example I am just getting back into exercising after a long layoff of 8 months, I’m just going to Planet Fitness getting back into it right now, but I would like a structured boot camp style workout program in order to push myself and get better overall results. My goal is to lose body fat and gain muscle, but I feel like it’s tough to do both at once so i guess I’d rather get the body fat down to where I want then shift to muscle building. What are your thoughts?
@@jaredpelletier3157 Hey dude, sorry about not getting to your comment. Great question. The answer is, it depends. I've seen and heard great things with Crossfit gyms, and some not so great. This is based off following other trainers who have experience doing Crossfit (at least the more old-school, before it became a humongous fitness brand that it is now) and from clients who have participated in it. Crossfit definitely gets people into shape, especially when you compare them to the general population of people who are somewhat veterans of other bootcamps, and newcomers, obviously. Their work capacity and strength, from my observations, they're usually higher. They're really able to push through not only group workouts, but even in 1:1 training sessions. But, with some Crossfit gyms, there is the problem with programming, exercise selection, accumulated fatigue/injury risk and social aspects. This depends on the individual gym that advertises Crossfit though. But, from my experience, the social aspect really has two camps of advanced/Crossfit-junkie clients and the gen. pop/beginner clients. Some of the gen. pop. clients never felt welcomed or really have the trainers as invested in their fitness compared to how they would work with the more advanced clients. I get it. I'm a trainer too, and have been in those situations. When I see more veteran/consistent clients coming back, I usually offer more guidance towards their fitness. But, the newcomers need just as much, if not more, when it comes to fitness related information. They're seeing the trainer for a reason. There is also the injury risk aspect with Crossfit. The clients I've seen who were participants, all them had to stop because of some sort of injury that was being incurred from an exercise(s) in the Crossfit workout they were doing. Now some people can say "well, they should let the trainer know" or "they know the risk". These statements can be true in certain cases, but it's also the job of the trainers to observe that, and make the necessary modifications. I know it sounds like I'm shit talking the brand, but I'm not. There are some Crossfit gyms that do great in adapting the Crossfit "workout model" to individual clients. Those gyms are awesome because they do go above and beyond. The progression and results from Crossfit training is also, usually better than most places too. Regarding your situation, you can honestly do both a bootcamp and strength training at Planet Fitness. You have to see how well it fits into your schedule, but also seeing how your body feels, and if it recovers enough to see the progress you want. It'll be hard to find a bootcamp dedicated completely to strictly a strength/hypertrophy, as they aren't like the other brands of bootcamps. Do these bootcamps see results? They do. But, you also have to compare the beginners vs intermediate vs advance stages of fitness. If you're really just looking for fat loss, bootcamps can definitely do that, granted, you follow a good nutrition regiment at the same time. But, when it comes to strength and/or muscle gain, you will start to notice you'll plateau for a good bit if you were just doing bootcamp. Worst case scenario, you make no progress at all once you've already made progress when you first started. Training for strength and hypertrophy require more dedication to training principles that are not fully fleshed out when you have a HIIT timer going for 30-45 seconds, and then you move on to the next station. You also have to eat differently, as eating a low calorie, and doing mostly cardio or light weights for muscle gain isn't really going to put much muscle on your body, let alone getting significantly stronger for the long term. A lot of this will depend on what your current fitness goal. You can definitely get your body fat down going to Planet Fitness, but I also understand that you do want structure in workout programming, which there are a ton available online for free. You can start off with a typical Pull-Push-Legs split, do the 3-6 exercises that are prescribed and track progress through weight, sets, reps, tempo, rest period, etc. In short, I would try either doing both, seeing how receptive your body is to it, or do just one, but being aware as to how your progress is going. I will say though, I haven't seen anyone really get more muscular or stronger from just doing bootcamp (like the Orange Theory, F45, etc.). Again, unless it was specifically a strength and muscle building-styled group program.
Group training gets a lot of hate, but I can tell you this, moving in a group is better than not moving at all. I wish the fitness community would do a better job at just supporting one another and supporting the idea of healthy lives. Who cares how you get it done, as long as you're being safe about it and seeing results/living your best life
I joined F45 recently and fyi we have resistance, cardio days. Not sure if this is new. I love it and I hate hate the gym also the instructors can have individual time w everyone and see what ea individual goals are. I am thinking of staying I hate gyms and the people there!
I think this guys are looking at this from one perspective only. They need to be more objective in how they 'rate' different classes. For example, they need to look at cost, practicality, time, motivation, goals etc. I think they're only looking at this from a beefcake POV....and guess what....not everyone wants to be a beefcake.
I’m a 5k/10k runner and I’ve been really looking for a strength training class without a focus on cardio. I feel like F45/orange theory/burn bootcamp are great exercise classes but they aren’t necessarily geared towards being a dedicated strength regimen.
I've never done a session but that's how it looks like to me. And that's one of the reason I'd rather do that than CrossFit. I couldn't care less with the hand stand walks, olympic weighlifting moves, pistol squats etc.
It's actually what crossfit was meant to be. I have done crossfit in the past and now I go to F45. It's awesome and basically the same thing. You can go at your own pace in either setting. No one can force you to do more than you can handle. It takes time to build up for higher weights or to go harder in cardio or resistance. Weren't all superman or wonder women.
Exactly that! You said the most important thing in one line 😄 It always amazes me how people forget that. It's like one be running to prepare a marathon and they would tell their friend: 'Why this guy is running? Not only is he already slim, but he could get a leaner physique by following a proper diet". But this statement is irrrelevant if one's goal is to prepare for a marathon and not get leaner.😂 They talk as if everybody's goal is to build big muscle and get super strong. Me I go to a commercial gym, but if I had to choose only one type of training, I guess I'd rather go with f45 type. But since my goal is to be rather balance having enough strength (like 3 plates on a bench press, 5 plates on deadlifts, for instance) and a have decent physique while running a marathon in 3h45mn, and having decent muscle endurance, stamina etc. Since I don't really like running I could complement my running with the cardio style of circuit training like in f45 instead of doing more running sessions. Therefore, I need both commercial gyms and f45 type of training to achieve my goal. But these guys won't even ask you what your goals are, they'll assume they know your goals and say f45 is not ideal, traditional resistance training is ideal. Would traditional resistance training help my cardio and complement my running to prepare a marathon? Would it help my conditionning so that I can confidently join a mma dojo or boxing club? I don't think so! So like you said, it all depends on the members goals.
To gain muscle F45 is not the right thing, but it is not meant to do that. It's an overal physical training and you need to tell people that if their nutrition isn't right, they will not see the results that it can bring but they are still allowed to do the classes. I think alot of people forget that some people go to a gym or do group classes to feel healthy, to be productive and to have social interactions with other people. A healthy body is great but if you are struggling mentally, you can't do anything with your muscles and going to the gym by yourself and do your typical split workout can be boring and lonesome for some people. They said in the video that if your nutrition is not dialed in you won't see the results but this is also the case for regular gym training, so that's a weak argument to choose normal gym training over F45.
of course he does. And even if he didn't, he had build so much muscle over the year, that what he does in those f45 might be enough to maintain most his muscle mass now that he got lean and doesn't need to eat a shitload of calories.
Here's my deal, I've done CrossFit for years, I've done resistance training for years. In total I've been lifting and working out for about 20 years. My gf wants to go to f45 and take me with her. She doesn't work out, so I'm gonna bite the bullet and do it with her in the mornings and go to a power gym in the evenings. It's not feasible more then a couple times a week with my schedule, but at 31 I'm in my prime and feel like I can do that.
F45 is Cardio with weights.. if you want to bulk up, not the place to be.. I enjoy F45 because of the conditioning and stamina I built.. I play sports and it definitely helps me. But for shoulders or chest, you need to hit them heavy weights.
Cardiovascular and coordination. All the little muscles get tones as well. Even if cardiovascular beats steady state running cycling by a long shot. No RSI due to level of variability.
Lean muscle mass is what most people prefer, as it is athletic and attractive. Athletes appear to be the perfect definition of fitness as Athletes have really good muscle definition and that's what F45 gives. F45 is a right mixture of resistance and cardio for those who wants look like an athlete i.e strong and agile, while bodybuilding makes one strong but not agile and mobile. Physical Agility, mobility and stability is what one can expect after a considerable amount training in F45. In short F45 style of training gives one a body like a model, where as other training can't give that. 8 weeks challenge is a big hit in F45 because the transformations are real and life changing, in just 8 weeks. What else does one want apart from these? F45 is a whole package of increased cardiovascular threshold, improved mobility, stability and agility and decent enough strength.
It’s great you enjoy the class and that’s what matters, the model, athletic, and lean mass part is sales bs though. You build lean tissue by volume or hard reps in training and get lean through diet and athletic by being strong. Stability, functional fitness is kinda a myth/bs
This is completely untrue. I guarantee any resistance trainer that does heavy squats with full ROM will have exceedingly better mobility than your average f45 goer, it’s not even close.
You will NOT look like a model with f45, it’s designed in a way to build your cardio efficiency with minimal to no strength/muscle gains. The trainers that you see at f45 are more than likely doing resistance training a few times a week. Resistance training = less is more/recovery is everything.
😄What kind of athlete one is gonna look like with f45? A 100m sprinter? A marathon runner? A soccerplayer? An American Football player? A rugbyman? This is BS in my opinion. I would probably join a f45 studio to give it a try when my finances get better but I wouldn't hope to look like an athlete with it. What an agile person even look like and why you can't look like that with bodybuilding? There's a f45 studio just 25m from my commercial gym. They live their door open during work outs and I can see them when I pass by. Most of them don't look like athletes. As a matter of fact I think the average guy and girl in my gym looks better than them. But when it comes to physical conditionning, I think any proper circuit training make you fitter than most of most regular gym goers. I've had done regular bodybuilding for over a decade and never really felt in shape even when I was running 12km once a week in addition to my work outs. Because I've never really like working out, I went to gym on and off until I decided to try something else for a change. I got into various Les Mills classes, I felt in love and couldn't stop going to the gym and for once in my life I started feeling in shape. But nowadays, there aren't many gyms with plenty of Les Mills claisses and that's why I'm thinking about joining f45 to feel in shape again (not to look in shape because I already look in shape). If my goal was too look as an athlete I would stick with the regular commercial gyms and not fork out big money for f45 as I doubt it will be more effective for that matter.
I wonder if you guys have tried pilates class such as bodyrok / SLT / solidcore? IMO it's a far superior class form compared to orange theory / f45/ barry's in terms of building muscle and improving body composition. It's INSANELY difficult if you haven't been resistance training and/or have poor balance/flexibility. I don't see a lot of gentlemen in the class but when I do, even when they look like they lift, they still struggle a lot 😅. Would love to hear what you guys think!
It’s all about conditioning . If a Pilates guru tried f45 for the first time they would be on their ass and humbled. This is like saying swimming is far superior to running or Pilates. They’re different. That’s it
This is how you know none of these guys know anything about F45 training. To compare this to Orange Theory is far from the truth. I have done both but F45 is by far better. The Athletics team at F45 have thought out every program to cater to every walks of life. It's Functional everyday life movements and it's not only weights. Cardio days 3x a week, weights days 3x a week and 1 Hybrid day. It's an all round style training well balanced. My mother who turned 70yrs has been training at F45 for 4yrs and is getting stronger and fitter every week.
Fighter's are not bulky. But still fit. Don't believe it swing. Fitness is personal. Check out the guys on thats good money on TH-cam fit without weights
I think it is designed in such a way that makes you feel guilty and blame yourself. One of my neighbours that started now looks fatter than before probably coz all that stress just makes her eat more. It might work for some people though.
It's a fad. I developed my own fast paced resistance training. Catered to what I specifically need. How can you zero in, and focus on exertion, and movement? If you need coaxing, and socializing, you are not maximizing your mental and physical energy. I use Huberman Lab science, Goggins motivation, and Jeff Cavaliere movement guidance. I'll put that combination of resources against any gimmick of the day. I've got the numbers to prove it.
OMG Superman is here! But not everybody want to be superman. Most of us are just fine being mere humans so we don't give a damn about Goggins, Jeff Cavaliere (and his fake weights 😄) and co. We just want to be fitter and have fun and socialize. Thank you for saving the planet for us when we'll need you, though...
Deciding to buy stock. I don’t see this being popular. Post covid and cell phones have made ppl anti-social. Ppl would rather follow a TH-cam fitness guru at home/gym plus it’s cheaper!
I can see it partnering with equinox. Being an all inclusive ecosystem. Although as a stock idk… this space has no magic sauce… these fads come and go. They are hot for a bit then drop
So there’s a 2011-2012 study where they had people both do weight/cardio workout training and the people that took 2 to 3 minutes break in between sets with their weights they gained more muscle but the people that took about 20 second break and went right back into it they lost more weight and still gain muscle so I think that that works great for F45 to have a circus training
This is for people that just want to move. Simple. I love it. Going to the gym alone is boring and I like that I have someone to help me along the way, whether it's a trainer or my workout partner.
As a person who has a trainer and does traditional resistance training 4 days a week, i still do f45 and it’s a huge benefit. I don’t do it for weight training but for an intense cardio burn that I would more than likely hate doing myself.
I like that mindset.
How does it compare to crossfit?
Exactly. These guys are idiots.
People forget that motivation and consistency plays a huge part in bodybuilding. I find myself skipping way too many leg days haha but HIIT classes forces me to show up and do it
I love F45, cause the gym is scary and idk what to do at the gym. The F45 instructors push us to our limits vs if I were at the gym I’d just got home once I felt tired
I have ADHD, and struggle with ptsd (combat). F45 helps me get out of my head and moving in a healthy way.
It’s a gateway workout for people who want to get up and do something, but get overwhelmed at the gym.
It’s not going to get you competition ready, but in a world where obesity is the norm… I’d rather someone go to F45 and enjoy it than be overwhelmed into resistance training.
What about subscription and plans? How easy is it to cancel or pause membership?
@@weirdo1060pretty easy. At mine, it is just like any other gym - 30 day notice.
Too right
I hated Orange Theory but love F45. It definitely doesn’t compare to an actual weight lifting routine.
I tried Orange Theory and didn't like it. It was during the pandemic, so it may be tainted, but my biggest drag was there was no camaraderie or getting motivated from others. Also, not crazy about the weird lights and the microphone from the trainer. What would you say are the big differences you noticed between the two or if there are any other comparisons?
I used to coach at orange theory while in college. Disagreed with the training model but it paid considerably well. F45 appears to do it better for an overall beginner friendly group class.
Same. Absolutely hated OT
I've been going to F45 for just over a year now. I'll say this about it. Yes it does cost me more for membership, but I will never go back to a regular gym. I love my F45!
I’m thinking of trying it. Why do you love it so much?
@@Soaring_Seajay Cool people, cool trainers. I get more done in 45 mins than I do 2 hours at a regular gym. My F45 plays hip hop music and has live DJ days. You work in groups or with a partner so it helps you stay motivated and the trainers will push you harder without being a dick.
@@Soaring_Seajay They should offer you a free class to try it out, I guarantee it will kick your ass for the better.
@@myothercarisadelorean8957 Yes I have a free week at mine, they’ve just been waiting on permits to open. Thanks for the info!
@@Soaring_Seajay I have been going for 6 months now and i agree with the comment above. For me personally, I function way better in a group setting. The trainers are good - they push you but not by screaming in your ears. The cardio sessions really take it out of you. If my apple watch is anything to go by, then i do about 400-500 calories a session. I was pretty overweight and i have managed to lose quite a bit (an acquaintance didn't recognise me a couple of days ago), without really changing my diet. Overall a fun environment, don't need to use your brains too much, just go with the flow.
I have done 2 classes so far. Hard work, not fan of cardio but I did it. I could feel so quickly benefits and stenth. I just finished swimming and didn't feel like to stop for 45 min...felt so strong
I’ve been going for a month with my friends that have attended for a year. I have been impressed with my friends’ results so I wanted to try it. I am primarily a endurance ultra runner. All I ever do is cardio and I know that’s not good. I’ve tried the gym strength training but I am not disciplined enough to go. I feel like F45 has the right amount of strength training and plyometric exercises to help improve my running. The music, the sets, the people all keep me engaged where I don’t even realize 45 mins went by. I have time to quick shower and make it to work. For a person normally unwilling to get up early to exercise, I manage to make it to the 6am classes regularly.
Depending on your goals, I think this is a great addition to a fitness routine. Maybe try it for a week and then do a proper review
Agreed, at the end of the day, as long as you're being active and it motivates you to be active vs inactive, then go for it. I did crossfit for several years and wound up getting hurt a few times; mostly my fault. I think you could get hurt doing F45, but you'd have to really work at it, lol. Eventually, I dialed everything way down and my motto was, "I'm here to get more healthy, not less healthy".
The military trains people in groups and doesn't seem to have a problem getting people into shape. Not everyone wants to be a bodybuilder.
@@freepat101 the trainers at the F45 I go to have a BS in Exercise and Sport Science so they have been really great at modifying exercises for me and correcting my form. I am so glad because I don’t have a weightlifting background and this has been so new to me. I am slowly getting stronger. I can see now why people enjoy weightlifting. I am looking forward to seeing the changes in body composition this summer
I definitely agree that some of the F45 workouts can feel like cardio with weights. But not all.
But i have to disagree with you guys that F45 is anything like orange theory. Only similarity is the non open gym format. It’s class based.. Other than that its a completely different style of training.
I’ve been following the podcast for awhile so i understand that it doesn’t totally follow along with your method of strength training but i wouldn’t knock it completely without ever trying it out yourself.
then what is the differences between F45 and Orange?
@@PureWay4 F45 actually has a strength training sessions.
@@PureWay4 As someone who has worked at both orangetheory, and F45 currently. Who trains privately and has over five years of training I can agree with this comment. I can also agree with the boys at mind pump on how it is not ideal for everyone. I’ve seen different people from different walks of life and some do need personal help especially when learning how to fire specific muscle groups, wearing basic movement patterns and stuff like that…
However where I see the beauty in it is the community some people work out better when Community is involved and that is completely fine I make sure I harp my members on lifting with correct form and pushing themselves with heavier weights. When I was coaching orangetheory it was primarily cardio based now they are format is more of a strength power and endurance methodology but some of the exercises are just not practical and are not the greatest they are primarily cardio.
Where F45 has different days cardio days and strength days the cardio days are based around either multiple sets with short time and short breaks, or smaller sets with longer work. The strength days are usually longer work. With longer rest breaks.
In my opinion there is a place for all of these different training methodologies to coexist and it all depends on the individual.
Not mentioning a couple things that F45 just get right:
1. Nutritional education - an application of do-it-yourself meals and network of partners to make the food for you
2. Hours - classes to suit every schedule particularly early morning 5:30am perfect for parents, executives or the corporate warrior
3. Real time feedback - tracking your hr effort in real time that links back to the application
1. Generic info aimed at getting them to purchase certain foods namely associated with products they sell. Their meal plans are full expensive products
2. Class times are actually poor as they mean people are doing exercise fasted and a format that requires fuel as the marketed. Also class times burn out trainers who need to work split shifts so starting at 5am and finish at 8pm. Double travel, poor food timing for them
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3. Real time feedback but simply cab be achieved elsewhere with a garmin or any other hrm. Also these are focussed on calories burned and not how well exercise is done
@@bobdown5520 What's wrong with exercising when fasted? It's not like their body can't use glycogene stored on their muscles and liver then fat cells if needed. Moreover, what's preventing them to have a chocolate bar or any other source of fast carbs before their early morning work-out? It's not as if they need to have a full english breakfast or nothing.
The work out shift might be poor for trainer but good for clients. And we're talking from the clients vewpoint, not the trainers.
Feedback with a garmin? Which traditional gym or personal trainer offer a garmin for free?
The app doesn't give a feedback on how well the exercice is done. And which traditional gym brand has an app that tell you how well you did the exercise. Oh well, I guess the solution is easy. Just fork out for a personal trainer. It's well know everybody can afford a personal trainer.
It's also a given that anyone would rather spend 45mn - 1hr with a personal trainer than being part of a group going through the same challenging workout and feeling a bit part of a community and possibly make a couple new friends.
F45 is the best. Not everyone wants to go to the gym and see a bunch of guys lifting 500 pounds and feel like it's impossible. F45 is similar to Crossfit but your busier if that makes sense. Once you start, it's continuous....you go from one station to the next until it's over and I love it. I leave f45 feeling as if I just let go 100 calories or more after every workout
100? I’d hope you mean 1000….
These guys have something to say about every other workout plan. Look, if it gets people moving and using their body, then let 'em do it. It is really hard to believe that regular strength training (how you propose) will truly get people leaner or with a lower body fat%. There will always be a place for group fitness.
I mean the science backs up their claims. They aren’t wrong. But I agree, if your goal is to just move your body and get your heart rate up, then go for it. But if it is to build muscle, then no. Too each their own.
I go to F45 5 days a week for almost a year. I'm never bored. So much better (and cheaper) than OT. I do resistance 3x/wk there and one cardio day a week. I've seen HUGE changes in my fitness at 46 and made so many friends. I can't imagine going to the gym by myself and lifting or with a trainer.
Thats good to hear! My dad is new to training, always hated working out, and he's overweight. F45 has been something he's stuck to for about 6 weeks. He recently increased his days to 3x per week strength. I myself am an experienced strength and conditioning coach and olympic weightlifter but my dad is too stubborn to train with me 😂 he needs someone else to coach him and a community to feel a part of which I understand. I hope he gets results with their training program even if it isn't ideal, I have to keep my opinions to myself and just encourage him as it's a great place to start his new lifestyle to improved health! What types of changes did you experience the most and is F45 the only thing you do or do you also do strength training and/or some other activities in addition? Take care and happy training!
What do you mean you go to F45 5 days a week, and do resistance 3x/wk there and one cardio day a week?
That’s only 4 days… but also, isn’t the whole premise that it’s all resistance AND cardio, combined??
Are you saying you do SEPARATE resistance and cardio sessions, in addition to F45?
I’m so confused.
I absolutely love MindPump and have listened for years, but I would hardly call is a "Review" if you haven't done F45 before?
Orange theory are primarily cardio and make a lot more use of the big cardio equipment pieces (treadmills, bikes etc.) hence why it's compulsory to wear a HR monitor and get your splat points. Great use of the technology and similar to the F45 HR monitor, but a MUCH bigger focus on this at OT.
F45 have 50% strength days and 50% cardio. I do strength training as well, so I do agree that F45 isn't the ideal environment for muscle hypertrophy vs. in a gym lifting heavier maybe doing a 2:1 rest:work ratio, but it is still a great way to get lean while still increasing your strength. The nutrition with F45 is the best I've seen on the market for a gym as well. F45 works for results - I've seen it for 100's of people.
I own an F45 studio and I also sell Strength based gym workouts online (like MP) with my online business - so I see both sides and agree with both sides (and do both myself). Both pros and cons, but I felt this could have been done in more depth - was really keen to hear your thoughts on it understanding properly how it works/who it targets!
Orange theory lift 45 classes are really nice. I get alot more strength training then I normally would at a class.
Would love to hear your thoughts about owning and F45 studio and what it takes to do so?
@@jswann56 That's not a bad idea. Happy to do a video on that if you're interested!
@@peter_day Absolutely it would be appreciated, whenever you’d get the time to!
How has your experience been owning a studio? Would you recommend it? Do it all over again? I’m in the process now for one.
F45 is awesome!! I just joined and i love the variety of workouts and the challenges.
Loved it but it fucked up my joints. Since I quit I’ve not been injured… at all
I’ve been doing F45 for 2 years now and I’m addicted. I used to get overwhelmed at the gym, never pushed myself that hard and couldn’t get results. When I first started doing F45, I felt like I wanted to throw up after every cardio session and I would be so exhausted and in pain after resistance classes. But the friendliness of the trainers and the good vibes of the class pushed me on, and now my endurance and strength levels are amazing and I can do more push ups and pull ups than my guy friends who go to a normal gym and even lift more/as much as them too (I’m a 5ft2” girl). I love the endorphin rush I get after every class. Sure, my muscles could be bigger if I spent longer on certain target areas. But I get bored really easily and I need variety, and I love how every F45 class keeps it moving in a different way every time. If you want to be an athlete, you probably need to go beyond F45 and do something more hardcore. But for the average person who wants to get to an amazing level of functional fitness and have fun doing it, I think F45 is a great option.
F45 definitely is am integral part of my fitness journey
I was in the marine corps and have used running on and off for my fitness after getting out of the marine corps. I did spinning for a while to take it easy on my knees. My husband started going to F45 a whole yr before he finally convinced me to try it. I love it because I’ve never had an issue with cardio but struggle incorporating strength training in my routines and F45 helps me do both. My next step would be to incorporate weight training on my own but F45 has given me the confidence to even consider doing that. I say try it and see if it works for you
F45 is amazing program if you add extra your training routine. I will run and do weight lift + functional training. it will keep you in perfect shape and you can run marathon :) it is overall great program and keep you motivated in classes.
Individual training is great but not everyone can afford private sessions with a trainer.
You got that right!
First day at F45.. 40 years old now and more focus on building up endurance, muscle strength. So F45 suits for me. I don’t need huge muscle masses because I don’t need that kind of hulk strength. Something I don’t understand, why many people focus on huge muscle build up ( of course for a sport it will be fine) if they don’t use them constantly in real life. But I like to build up muscles mass too….
One can build up hulk strength just for the challenge of being as strong as they can or other reasons. It doesn't need to be constantly used in real life. Many people spend years or a life time learning martial arts or training combat sports and they might never even used it in real life (at least they should hope to never have to use it aside from a competition event).
It's not like the benefit of muscle endurance and intense cardio of a f45 work out would be used constantly in real life of any participant either. In real life, some people could do with less than what is done on f45 sessions and yet pay for f45 seeions just because they enjoy the challenge and community feel that they have in those sessions.
I remember on two scenerios. First one was a slim fit young black woman shop attendant who told her colleague that she had just joined a gym. Her colleage asked why. She said,: 'look at you! You don't need it!' The young woman didn't know what to say and it felt to me like she was already regretting the money she gave to the gym. Yes, that young woman had a perfect body but couldn't she just work out for the sake of challenging herself or for keeping that perfect body as long as she could?
The second scenario was that white woman in her mid 30s jogging outside a lake where she bumped into some female acquaintaces. They asked her why she was jogging, she looked terrific and didn't need it. She answered, I do it just because I like it not because I need it.
What I mean by that, we don't need to all have the same reasons to take on physical activity, learning a language or do whatever. It could be because it will be useful to our daily lives or just because we like it or want to challenge ourselves.
I think most people just wanna get out off the couch and have some fun. They would rather trade-off between cost and a customized workout plan.
I think they will get more out of it than just fun.
Gym bros like to think that classes are a waste of time or just a bit better than sitting one's ass on the couch. But I can bet that if I spend the next 6-8 months to any proper circuit-training classes gym like f45 and I wanted to join a MMA dojo or a boxing club, I would be way more prepared conditionning-wise than if I stuck to traditional resistance training.
In my opinion, these kind of training ismore beneficial to everyday life than traditional strength training where many guys couldn't run 5 miles to save their lives.
I'm a gym bro myself, I know that I look in shape but I'm fit for shit (like most gym bros) 😁
Not everyone uses the same weight and you go at your own pace. You can definitely treat it like a normal resistance workout. No one forces you to do anything.
F45 Based on the comments is for people who can’t motivate themselves and need others to help them.
Exactly. This is why it works for me.
I beg to disagree. Just because you can motivate yourself doesn't mean you gonna know what circuit training to do in order to achieve your goals, and have the creativity to change it often enough to keep challenging yourself and not reach a plateau.
Besides, if you need a certain numbers of machines or equipments to be available for your circuit you can't necessarily have them available for all your workout in a regular gym since you can't book them and someone could be using them when you need them.
Even if one can motivate themselves it doesn't mean than the workout is as enjoyable than in a group workout.
And it is easier to socialise with new people than in a commercial gym when many people want to keep to themselves wearing headsets and not trying to socialize with strangers.
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That’s why I signed up. It’s a good burn and suits my needs.
I definitely built muscle doing F45. As long as you choose to increase the weight every time or over time for the same workouts, you will build muscle. It’s much better than orange theory imo.
I wish I could have a one on one class with a trained fitness instructor three times a week but that’s just too expensive. For me at least class base workouts with maybe 10 to 12 people are perfect as it gets more more into the workouts.
As someone who has done both Orange Theory and F45, they are worlds apart.
Recommendation for someone who has cardio needs
I only do F45 resistance training and I love it ! I do Saturdays classes too and it’s a hybrid resistance/cardio.. I’ve seen results within two months and I on it committed 4x a week
How would you compare it to crossfit?
I wish they would do a review of Barry’s classes
I run a weights and cardio bootcamp;
Of course, personal training (weight training) is better. No doubt. Most people can’t afford that , unfortunately.
That’s a big reason as to why bootcamp style is ideal in relation to finances for most people.
Ok what do you recommend personal training with weights only
There is no 1-2 minutes rest. Instructors have been great. It can be tough on cardio days but still includes weight. I have to disagree with these guys. I also have a 24 hour fitness membership and I definitely do NOT push myself to the best I can like F45. Instructors push you also and help you along the way. I was lucky to get in a founding member membership when they opened behind my house.
Doing my 4th P45 workout today! It’s been great! Done my years at the gym before on my 20’s but needed something more motivational to get me back training! Workouts are tough I have to say! Not the usual pump class! 😂
F45 has cardio and resistance training days. Alternate days.
true but i think they’re all cardio tbh 😂
So who is this workout for?? Is it for people who wants to loose weight, what about people that wants to build muscle? I have a rack in my gym with barbell, Smith machine and cable system.
I love this type if workouts but also want to lift weights at least 3x a week. Anyways I love this type if workouts but I feel I will get too skinny if this is all I do and will be hard for me to build muscle??
Just my opinion and going to be a long answer, but just to add insight for others who are also curios and have a similar question to yours marco. F45 is going to be geared towards the general public who have the "lose weight and get stronger" goal/mentality. I'm not saying trained individuals/fitness enthusiasts shouldn't do F45's program, but these types of individuals have a specific fitness goal in mind, and they are most likely going to seek out trainers who will program for them, go to a group styled gym that addresses their goals specifically, or simply just do their own training(i.e. doing their own programming, setting their own diet plan, etc.).
I think F45 and similarly styled gyms are great for losing weight, gaining strength and building muscle, but it's not so great when you want to get more specific with what you want from your training, and it's just because of the focus on group style training. They're trying to cover all bases of fitness in a specific time frame for each session. If you want to build muscle specifically, then focus on a hypertrophy focused program. If you want maximum strength development, a HIIT program isn't the most effective. If you want to lose weight, F45 and others are definitely going to help, but adhering to a good nutrition plan is going to be king because nutrition and exercise go hand in hand for addressing weight loss. I will say though, people who participate in this style of training( or any other training for that matter) is going to be in better physical condition than they were, before starting a fitness program. Starting as beginners, they're going to see the positives from their training because they're going from untrained condition to trained condition, but they'll get stuck in a phase that's more maintenance and not seeing any further improvement, even though they are what you would consider to be fit.
Again, I know this reply is long, but taking your situation into consideration. I think you need to specify what exactly your goal is, and then asses to see if F45 can fit into that program. It sounds like you may be favoring muscle building more, correct me if I'm wrong, so follow a hypertrophy styled program. You've already got access to the proper equipment based on your question. However, remember in order to build muscle, you need to get yourself in a caloric surplus to effectively build the most muscle you can and making sure your recovery time good as well. And with that, there is the possibility of gaining a bit of body fat in the process(hence the bulking and cutting for bodybuilders). If you still want to bring F45 into the mix during this routine, you can get some of the benefits of cardio/conditioning. But, you're going to want to make sure that F45 sessions aren't robbing your muscle building sessions in terms of frequency, intensity and rest/sleep. Fitness like most other things, it really is a give and take situation for what you want. It's a case of the 'Jack of all trades, master of none', but instead of skillsets it's the results you're looking for.
Just let me know what you're thoughts are.
@@AVGNMGS2 damn bro great explain and thank u for taking the time for this great response. Yes I want my muscles to shoow more and for that I been trying to loose my body fat to get leaner. I been doing full body workouts for about 2 months or so with supper sets in it m,w and f. On Tuesday I do low intensity cardio and Thursday I do 20-30 min of hitt/functional trainning with kettlebels, sandbags, etc, etc...
Iam a fit 50 year old about 5"8. 178lbs. I been eating about 2000 calories a day and I been loosing some body fat:) and still weight the same.
@@futbol1972 No problem dude, I always enjoy just giving whatever advice I can give, especially within the fitness realm, because it's definitely one of those things that's a journey. You have to learn how to exercise based on your needs.
@@AVGNMGS2So, in your opinion would CrossFit be better for overall fitness training? For example I am just getting back into exercising after a long layoff of 8 months, I’m just going to Planet Fitness getting back into it right now, but I would like a structured boot camp style workout program in order to push myself and get better overall results. My goal is to lose body fat and gain muscle, but I feel like it’s tough to do both at once so i guess I’d rather get the body fat down to where I want then shift to muscle building. What are your thoughts?
@@jaredpelletier3157 Hey dude, sorry about not getting to your comment. Great question. The answer is, it depends. I've seen and heard great things with Crossfit gyms, and some not so great. This is based off following other trainers who have experience doing Crossfit (at least the more old-school, before it became a humongous fitness brand that it is now) and from clients who have participated in it. Crossfit definitely gets people into shape, especially when you compare them to the general population of people who are somewhat veterans of other bootcamps, and newcomers, obviously. Their work capacity and strength, from my observations, they're usually higher. They're really able to push through not only group workouts, but even in 1:1 training sessions. But, with some Crossfit gyms, there is the problem with programming, exercise selection, accumulated fatigue/injury risk and social aspects. This depends on the individual gym that advertises Crossfit though. But, from my experience, the social aspect really has two camps of advanced/Crossfit-junkie clients and the gen. pop/beginner clients. Some of the gen. pop. clients never felt welcomed or really have the trainers as invested in their fitness compared to how they would work with the more advanced clients. I get it. I'm a trainer too, and have been in those situations. When I see more veteran/consistent clients coming back, I usually offer more guidance towards their fitness. But, the newcomers need just as much, if not more, when it comes to fitness related information. They're seeing the trainer for a reason. There is also the injury risk aspect with Crossfit. The clients I've seen who were participants, all them had to stop because of some sort of injury that was being incurred from an exercise(s) in the Crossfit workout they were doing. Now some people can say "well, they should let the trainer know" or "they know the risk". These statements can be true in certain cases, but it's also the job of the trainers to observe that, and make the necessary modifications. I know it sounds like I'm shit talking the brand, but I'm not. There are some Crossfit gyms that do great in adapting the Crossfit "workout model" to individual clients. Those gyms are awesome because they do go above and beyond. The progression and results from Crossfit training is also, usually better than most places too.
Regarding your situation, you can honestly do both a bootcamp and strength training at Planet Fitness. You have to see how well it fits into your schedule, but also seeing how your body feels, and if it recovers enough to see the progress you want. It'll be hard to find a bootcamp dedicated completely to strictly a strength/hypertrophy, as they aren't like the other brands of bootcamps. Do these bootcamps see results? They do. But, you also have to compare the beginners vs intermediate vs advance stages of fitness. If you're really just looking for fat loss, bootcamps can definitely do that, granted, you follow a good nutrition regiment at the same time. But, when it comes to strength and/or muscle gain, you will start to notice you'll plateau for a good bit if you were just doing bootcamp. Worst case scenario, you make no progress at all once you've already made progress when you first started. Training for strength and hypertrophy require more dedication to training principles that are not fully fleshed out when you have a HIIT timer going for 30-45 seconds, and then you move on to the next station. You also have to eat differently, as eating a low calorie, and doing mostly cardio or light weights for muscle gain isn't really going to put much muscle on your body, let alone getting significantly stronger for the long term. A lot of this will depend on what your current fitness goal. You can definitely get your body fat down going to Planet Fitness, but I also understand that you do want structure in workout programming, which there are a ton available online for free. You can start off with a typical Pull-Push-Legs split, do the 3-6 exercises that are prescribed and track progress through weight, sets, reps, tempo, rest period, etc.
In short, I would try either doing both, seeing how receptive your body is to it, or do just one, but being aware as to how your progress is going. I will say though, I haven't seen anyone really get more muscular or stronger from just doing bootcamp (like the Orange Theory, F45, etc.). Again, unless it was specifically a strength and muscle building-styled group program.
To see MW with his gloves is always priceless.
Group training gets a lot of hate, but I can tell you this, moving in a group is better than not moving at all. I wish the fitness community would do a better job at just supporting one another and supporting the idea of healthy lives. Who cares how you get it done, as long as you're being safe about it and seeing results/living your best life
I joined F45 recently and fyi we have resistance, cardio days. Not sure if this is new. I love it and I hate hate the gym also the instructors can have individual time w everyone and see what ea individual goals are. I am thinking of staying I hate gyms and the people there!
I think this guys are looking at this from one perspective only. They need to be more objective in how they 'rate' different classes. For example, they need to look at cost, practicality, time, motivation, goals etc. I think they're only looking at this from a beefcake POV....and guess what....not everyone wants to be a beefcake.
True that!
Ex elite gymnast here. I love F45.
I’m a 5k/10k runner and I’ve been really looking for a strength training class without a focus on cardio. I feel like F45/orange theory/burn bootcamp are great exercise classes but they aren’t necessarily geared towards being a dedicated strength regimen.
*CROSSFIT STILL GOING STRONG AND STILL GROWING* 💪
Group fitness is great. What’s the alternative… Personal trainer? Who can afford that?? Or just figure stuff out at the gym by yourself… hell no
I feel like it’s just CrossFit toned down to be a bit easier. Am I wrong?
I've never done a session but that's how it looks like to me. And that's one of the reason I'd rather do that than CrossFit. I couldn't care less with the hand stand walks, olympic weighlifting moves, pistol squats etc.
It's actually what crossfit was meant to be. I have done crossfit in the past and now I go to F45. It's awesome and basically the same thing. You can go at your own pace in either setting. No one can force you to do more than you can handle. It takes time to build up for higher weights or to go harder in cardio or resistance. Weren't all superman or wonder women.
It really depends on the members goal
Exactly that! You said the most important thing in one line 😄 It always amazes me how people forget that.
It's like one be running to prepare a marathon and they would tell their friend: 'Why this guy is running? Not only is he already slim, but he could get a leaner physique by following a proper diet". But this statement is irrrelevant if one's goal is to prepare for a marathon and not get leaner.😂
They talk as if everybody's goal is to build big muscle and get super strong.
Me I go to a commercial gym, but if I had to choose only one type of training, I guess I'd rather go with f45 type. But since my goal is to be rather balance having enough strength (like 3 plates on a bench press, 5 plates on deadlifts, for instance) and a have decent physique while running a marathon in 3h45mn, and having decent muscle endurance, stamina etc. Since I don't really like running I could complement my running with the cardio style of circuit training like in f45 instead of doing more running sessions. Therefore, I need both commercial gyms and f45 type of training to achieve my goal.
But these guys won't even ask you what your goals are, they'll assume they know your goals and say f45 is not ideal, traditional resistance training is ideal. Would traditional resistance training help my cardio and complement my running to prepare a marathon? Would it help my conditionning so that I can confidently join a mma dojo or boxing club? I don't think so! So like you said, it all depends on the members goals.
To gain muscle F45 is not the right thing, but it is not meant to do that.
It's an overal physical training and you need to tell people that if their nutrition isn't right, they will not see the results that it can bring but they are still allowed to do the classes.
I think alot of people forget that some people go to a gym or do group classes to feel healthy, to be productive and to have social interactions with other people.
A healthy body is great but if you are struggling mentally, you can't do anything with your muscles and going to the gym by yourself and do your typical split workout can be boring and lonesome for some people.
They said in the video that if your nutrition is not dialed in you won't see the results but this is also the case for regular gym training, so that's a weak argument to choose normal gym training over F45.
What if they did a class with 3 students to an instructor max. That way you could give enough individual attention yet still chop the price by 2/3rds
Then they’re not making enough money.
@@rpeg6487 they would still make the same amount per hour though. It would just be split among the trainees and they would have to talk a bit more
@@paragon1782 yeah but they would need to hire A LOT more instructors.
F-45 is amazing... totally disagree with this perception. I go 2 to 3 times a week. I go to the gym 1 to 2x per week.
That's the mindset! There's no need to choose one or the other. If you fell that both are needed for your goals, go to both if you can afford!
And guaranteed mark wahlberg is doing a fair amount of resistance training in addition to, if any F45 training
of course he does. And even if he didn't, he had build so much muscle over the year, that what he does in those f45 might be enough to maintain most his muscle mass now that he got lean and doesn't need to eat a shitload of calories.
Here's my deal, I've done CrossFit for years, I've done resistance training for years. In total I've been lifting and working out for about 20 years. My gf wants to go to f45 and take me with her. She doesn't work out, so I'm gonna bite the bullet and do it with her in the mornings and go to a power gym in the evenings. It's not feasible more then a couple times a week with my schedule, but at 31 I'm in my prime and feel like I can do that.
F45 is the absolute BEST!!!!
F45 is Cardio with weights.. if you want to bulk up, not the place to be.. I enjoy F45 because of the conditioning and stamina I built.. I play sports and it definitely helps me. But for shoulders or chest, you need to hit them heavy weights.
Cardiovascular and coordination. All the little muscles get tones as well. Even if cardiovascular beats steady state running cycling by a long shot. No RSI due to level of variability.
Lean muscle mass is what most people prefer, as it is athletic and attractive. Athletes appear to be the perfect definition of fitness as Athletes have really good muscle definition and that's what F45 gives. F45 is a right mixture of resistance and cardio for those who wants look like an athlete i.e strong and agile, while bodybuilding makes one strong but not agile and mobile. Physical Agility, mobility and stability is what one can expect after a considerable amount training in F45. In short F45 style of training gives one a body like a model, where as other training can't give that. 8 weeks challenge is a big hit in F45 because the transformations are real and life changing, in just 8 weeks. What else does one want apart from these? F45 is a whole package of increased cardiovascular threshold, improved mobility, stability and agility and decent enough strength.
It’s great you enjoy the class and that’s what matters, the model, athletic, and lean mass part is sales bs though. You build lean tissue by volume or hard reps in training and get lean through diet and athletic by being strong. Stability, functional fitness is kinda a myth/bs
This is completely untrue. I guarantee any resistance trainer that does heavy squats with full ROM will have exceedingly better mobility than your average f45 goer, it’s not even close.
You will NOT look like a model with f45, it’s designed in a way to build your cardio efficiency with minimal to no strength/muscle gains. The trainers that you see at f45 are more than likely doing resistance training a few times a week. Resistance training = less is more/recovery is everything.
😄What kind of athlete one is gonna look like with f45? A 100m sprinter? A marathon runner? A soccerplayer? An American Football player? A rugbyman?
This is BS in my opinion. I would probably join a f45 studio to give it a try when my finances get better but I wouldn't hope to look like an athlete with it. What an agile person even look like and why you can't look like that with bodybuilding?
There's a f45 studio just 25m from my commercial gym. They live their door open during work outs and I can see them when I pass by. Most of them don't look like athletes. As a matter of fact I think the average guy and girl in my gym looks better than them. But when it comes to physical conditionning, I think any proper circuit training make you fitter than most of most regular gym goers.
I've had done regular bodybuilding for over a decade and never really felt in shape even when I was running 12km once a week in addition to my work outs. Because I've never really like working out, I went to gym on and off until I decided to try something else for a change. I got into various Les Mills classes, I felt in love and couldn't stop going to the gym and for once in my life I started feeling in shape. But nowadays, there aren't many gyms with plenty of Les Mills claisses and that's why I'm thinking about joining f45 to feel in shape again (not to look in shape because I already look in shape).
If my goal was too look as an athlete I would stick with the regular commercial gyms and not fork out big money for f45 as I doubt it will be more effective for that matter.
Did F45 post this comment?
CrossFit is better for strength, functional and cardio. Done them all and the way CrossFit slowly builds your body is just way more efficient
I wonder if you guys have tried pilates class such as bodyrok / SLT / solidcore? IMO it's a far superior class form compared to orange theory / f45/ barry's in terms of building muscle and improving body composition. It's INSANELY difficult if you haven't been resistance training and/or have poor balance/flexibility. I don't see a lot of gentlemen in the class but when I do, even when they look like they lift, they still struggle a lot 😅. Would love to hear what you guys think!
This is spot on
It’s all about conditioning . If a Pilates guru tried f45 for the first time they would be on their ass and humbled. This is like saying swimming is far superior to running or Pilates. They’re different. That’s it
Moving in any capacity is better than nothing.
This type of training is nothing new been around for decades!
Tried the F45 and I really liked it.
what’d u like about it
@@Mando.650 I liked that my vajyna got so much bigger 🤣
This is how you know none of these guys know anything about F45 training. To compare this to Orange Theory is far from the truth. I have done both but F45 is by far better. The Athletics team at F45 have thought out every program to cater to every walks of life. It's Functional everyday life movements and it's not only weights. Cardio days 3x a week, weights days 3x a week and 1 Hybrid day. It's an all round style training well balanced. My mother who turned 70yrs has been training at F45 for 4yrs and is getting stronger and fitter every week.
Fighter's are not bulky. But still fit. Don't believe it swing. Fitness is personal. Check out the guys on thats good money on TH-cam fit without weights
Might not tank. Ticks too many boxes.
Im waiting for all the mark wahlbergs fan boys 😂😂😂
I think it is designed in such a way that makes you feel guilty and blame yourself. One of my neighbours that started now looks fatter than before probably coz all that stress just makes her eat more. It might work for some people though.
Or it might work for most people, but not your friend though.😄
You know, bodybuilding is not healthy nor does it get you "in shape"
Lmao you guys crack me up
Yes thank you amen!!! This is 100% true
2:30 Guess it tanked
Don’t agree with these so called experts
These guys are constantly negative.
It's a fad. I developed my own fast paced resistance training. Catered to what I specifically need. How can you zero in, and focus on exertion, and movement? If you need coaxing, and socializing, you are not maximizing your mental and physical energy. I use Huberman Lab science, Goggins motivation, and Jeff Cavaliere movement guidance.
I'll put that combination of resources against any gimmick of the day. I've got the numbers to prove it.
OMG Superman is here! But not everybody want to be superman. Most of us are just fine being mere humans so we don't give a damn about Goggins, Jeff Cavaliere (and his fake weights 😄) and co. We just want to be fitter and have fun and socialize. Thank you for saving the planet for us when we'll need you, though...
This is a bad take
This guy explains it wrong 🙄
Deciding to buy stock. I don’t see this being popular. Post covid and cell phones have made ppl anti-social. Ppl would rather follow a TH-cam fitness guru at home/gym plus it’s cheaper!
In the short term yes but not long term as we’ve already seen people want to get out of the house and back to normal activities like going to the gym.
I can see it partnering with equinox. Being an all inclusive ecosystem. Although as a stock idk… this space has no magic sauce… these fads come and go. They are hot for a bit then drop
It's crossfit under a different name
How so ?
It’s better than doing nothing..
But any male doing F45 needs their head checked
And why do you say that?
First!
2nd!!!
So there’s a 2011-2012 study where they had people both do weight/cardio workout training and the people that took 2 to 3 minutes break in between sets with their weights they gained more muscle but the people that took about 20 second break and went right back into it they lost more weight and still gain muscle so I think that that works great for F45 to have a circus training
rest will always win
@@Famousestephen win for what goal?