Romans 13 - an interpretation you haven't heard before
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Have you heard about the Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates? Probably not. Instead, modern day American Christianity has used Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2 to pacify all manners of men. What seems to be forgotten is the qualifying clauses put forward in the text, as well as the context. Did Paul always obey civil authorities? No. Did Peter always obey authorities? No. Did Jesus always obey civil authorities? No.
All authority is given by God. This means those who are in power, have power delegated from God. So what about when a corrupt magistrate issues decrees AGAINST God's Word and law?
We must obey God rather than the state. Compliance will only allow tyrants to grow in their evil. Historic acts of defiance have shaped Western civilization - and we at Defy Tyrants are hoping to educate the masses and warn them of great evils that come with compliance, and the NEED for resistance.
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Finally a straightforward, comprehensible and accurate description of Paul’s intended teaching from Romans 13
The TRUTH is a clarion call that only the “righteous in Christ” are able to hear.
Well said
Just show me where it says "if the government"
I think a really good question is, why on earth are so many pastors hell bent on getting you to obey the state? 😉
Unfortunately a lot, I think, has to do with 501c3. They muzzle themselves from speaking against tyranny or to cultural issues, because they are operating as state sanctioned churches. They feel have to obey the magistrate, the ones that they report to.
@@twood6992 Exactly!
Fear, in many cases.
They are cowards who interpret the Word of God for their personal benefit rather than for the Truth. Absolute COWARDS.
They are seeking to please men rather than God. It's a trap that all of us sometimes fall into.
I’ve known this instinctively since day one of being a Christian, with many worldly Pharisee types coming against me for it, But I’ve never seen this explained so well and clearly as this short video .
Praise the Lord! We ought to obey God not men
"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God." It's pretty clear with no exceptions.
It's time to quit whining about taxes and Joe Biden, bible simp.
That's a spirit of rebellion and your flesh --not the Holy Spirit.
I understood this as a child. Blows my mind how so-called pastors could not see this.
Thanks for this! Our Christian leaders need to hear this, and act accordingly.
I wrote an article about this last summer, but it was not "taught" to me by anyone other than the Holy Spirit. Glad to see others are reading the Scripture and coming to the same conclusion. At that time, I felt very alone, and have been hassled by a number for taking this viewpoint.
I also believed the stuff on this channel before, but when I studied this myself in the Bible alone for a year now I came to the opposite conclusions. How do you explain that?
@@eric-jr2nf there are a lot of explanations for why you might come to a different conclusion. It is not your conclusion or my conclusion that is correct, rather it is what was intended by the original author that is correct. If you want to lay out why you conclude differently, then it is possible I could explain how that happened, but the text only has one meaning...so if we come to different conclusions, one of us, or both of us, are wrong.
I feel your pain
Yes, “in this world you will have tribulation.” But … He has overcome the world.
I too was taught this by the Spirit in 2016. When Jesus holds up the coin with a usually dead Caesar on it and says "render to (this DEAD) Caesar the things that are (this DEAD) Caesars"... he is holding up a coin that doesn't even belong to Caesar, and a Caesar that was likely DEAD... Jesus was MOCKING the "obligations" of authorities... and says "render" meaning, "when they come and threaten your life to take what they pretend to be theirs... give it to them" - you belong to a HIGHER Kingdom... who cares about this Earthly one...
Jesus was a badass.
I hear this interpretation all the time, in fact it's the only one I hear.
What this interpretation boils down to is "obey unless it is a sin to obey", which is also an extremist interpretation when you think about it. It means that a government can tell you what to eat, what to wear, where to live, where to work, who to marry, what schedule to have, what medical treatments to use (such as a certain shot), what entertainment to use, and everything else that falls into the category of "not a sin", and to disobey them in any of these things would be called a sin. If a government official told someone to clean his shoes by licking them, this interpretation would call it a sin not to do so.
The limitations in Romans 13 are far more complete, and they are perfectly clear: it says to obey, because rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. That is the reason why we are to obey, the reason why it is resisting God to disobey. This means if a person is not exerting their authority specifically against evil, then they are not the ruler Romans 13 is saying to obey - the reason for obedience is nonexistent in their case. In other words the interpretation is, "obey if it is a sin not to obey". It is as much as to say, disobeying a ruler is disobeying God, because a real ruler never demands anything but obedience to God.
Biblically, a person has authority only over what they own (this includes contractual agreements), and the only exception is if someone commits a crime which requires another to step in and do justice on them.
A ruler who is not a minister of God for the sole purpose of executing nothing but the wrath of God on no one except evildoers, a ruler who gives any order, law, or command of any kind outside of this purpose, has no biblical authority over a man. A ruler who is a terror to anything except violation of God's law is not the ruler of Romans 13, but the ruler of Proverbs 28.
"As a roaring lion, and a ranging bear; so is a wicked ruler over the poor people."
Not an authority or someone to be honoured, but a wild and dangerous animal.
Excellent, articulate insight. Thank you.
I always feel that "obey unless it is a sin to obey" is just too much. Like those examples you mentioned, I wish to hear a video talk about it. It is really a sin to disobey unless it is a sin to obey?
@@ricwhk The idea that a person must obey anyone who calls himself an authority is a man-made idea, an idea that is contrary to Scripture; Scripture says that authority only comes from God's law: "not a terror to good works, but to the evil".
Yes, there should be a video talking about it. I seem to remember watching something related, but haven't found it again yet.
@@PatrickLauser What about millions of poor people who live in slum areas. The housing there are often illegal, if not all. Did they sin? When church goers parked their cars outside the designated car park because there are not enough car park on sunday morning, did they sin ? In my country there are unreasonable speed limit of 30km/h on certain roads. I failed to comply. The list goes on and on...must we obey all and do we sin if we fail? These are real examples, not fictitious.
@@PatrickLauser What say you with my examples in comment? Pardon my poor English for not fully understanding your first comment. Shall I put it this way - It is not a sin to disobey governing authority if any law is inappropriate or may be inappropriate for certain circumstance, even if it doesn't contradict God's law?
I intuitively understood things this way, but hadn't seen it fully laid out so clearly.
Side note: love this font! (Calligraphy geek here.)
Same here....I always understood this without knowing why and when people would try to twist Scripture to teach complete pacifism over the years and when I was newly saved, I felt it could not be accurate and that could not be the God I knew inside. It always felt EVIL to teach absolute pacifism. I could not shake that and absolute pacifism made no sense. And it took me eighteen years before I could disprove them with regard to government especially. Then we discovered more thorough teaching on the subject with Mat preaching.
Great Biblical examples of defying tyrants. Thank you. I am enCOURAGEd.
Churchmen hide behind the teaching that Romans 13 requires unlimited and unconditional submission because it releases them from any responsibility to act . God expects prudent action. Nehemiah prayed to God for Devine protection but every man carried a weapon
I always understood this without knowing why and when people would try to twist Scripture to teach complete pacifism over the years and when I was newly saved, I felt it could not be accurate and that could not be the God I knew inside. It always felt EVIL to teach absolute pacifism. I could not shake that and absolute pacifism made no sense. And it took me eighteen years before I could disprove them with regard to government especially. No one (apart from the Word) seems to teach it as well as you and almost no one will teach it even.
Love God
Sing Psalms
Defy Tyrants
With Faith
Forgive and ask the Father for Forgiveness
Repent of Sins and Stumbles
Study Scripture
Seek the Savior and his Salvation
Seek the Spirit and his Skills
Serve the Living and the Lost
Love God
Give to your neighbors love Selfless and Secret
Sing Psalms
Pray Daily
Defy Tyrants.
Tell Truth.
Teach Rebirth.
Remember the Word.
Not as catchy as yours but I hope it covers the life cycle of a follower of Christ.
In Exodus 1, not only did the midwives disobey the king, they lied to him in berse 19 and claimed that the women gave birth to the children before they could get there! Immediately after that God blessed them for not fearing man!
the question of lying to preserve life is one Christians need to think through..... especially with the days we are in.
I have been thinking along these lines for a while now (a few months). I am concerned things will get worse and Christians will need to make a decision. I'm glad others are also considering this topic.
I believe that the time for decision is now!
WELL DONE! This is so good it needs to be memorized by every Believer! Thank you so much!
This was so well done! Great job guys.
Would love to see one of these well-produced animations on the lesser magistrates and another on the various forms of government (sphere sovereignty).
I shared these arguments with my priest last March in response to our church closing. He did not respond. I have since made a 2 Corinthians 6:17 exit from this church.
ingenuitas; Well done
Churches should have been temporarily closed out of love to fellow man. Governments didn't enact this to persecute Christianity, but to protect people from a world wide pandemic.
@@rockwild737
Strategies the Soviets were using during the 1930s to try to eradicate the Church:
"Parish churches were often closed when they refused to register clergy or because of the threat of "epidemics," that is, on the pretense of preventing the spread of disease by parishioners who gathered together for worship."
(Edward Roslof, "Red Priests: Renovationism, Russian Orthodoxy, and Revolution, 1905-1946 (Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press, 2002)
@@ingenuitas there's one big difference. It's not pretense. Do you think the entire world has colluded to take away some of your rights? Countries that dislike each other and that don't trust each other joining forces just to get at you?
@@rockwild737 No one has taken away any of my rights. "And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, AS IS THE HABIT OF SOME, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see THE DAY drawing near." Or do you think that the Book of Hebrews should not be part of the Bible?
Another excellent presentation. Thank you, Pastor!
True understand this concept requires an immense amount of faith. Will we trust in the Lord when our government inevitably places harsher restrictions and institutes larger mandates? Are Christians faithful enough to turn to God instead of falling in line with the world? How much are we willing to suffer for His name's sake? Stay bold and stay faithful, brothers and sisters! 🙌
Not and immense amount, just the size of a mustard seed that grows into an immense tree
We are called to glorify God and no one else.
Well said! Clear and concise message with gentleness and love. I've been wrestling with this and stumbling over my words trying to say the same thing for years but not being able to put together what you said in 5 minutes. It takes me hours and people fall asleep, so I will send them your video and hopefully they will watch it.
Rules are made to award those doing good and punish those doing evil, right! If I pray while being sickened in my body by evildoers and therefore seek first God his rigtheousness and sadly have to neglect therefore my other work, I am not to blame but the evildoer! Dear God, for this reason I bind not to accept any punishment from earthly authorities when abiding under God his wings concerning my temporary funding, in accordance with this word and romans 13, psalm 91 in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah!
We must be prepared to disobey when the government demands that we do obey God, and to suffer the consequences, as did Daniel, Paul, Peter, etc.
We ought to obey God rather than man.
This video is extremely important.
Ive watched every video on the internet about romans 13, this is by far the best. Very simple, straightforward answer.
Incredibly informative. It kind of makes a support for Christian Anarchy as God WAS, IS, and WILL BE the only True Authority we answer too. Not the government.
I see myself as Libertarian Politically but the case for Christian Anarchism is stunningly profound. There will always be good and bad - does that mean a law will stop anything? Nope. More laws = nothing but preventing good people freedom.
If you believe in Christian Anarchism as something Biblical, feel free to comment...
Actually - not even remotely an argument for Christian anarchism. This was the standard throughout Western Civilization - "When the state commands that which God forbids or forbids that which God commands - we are to obey God rather than the state." Understand - this standard was proclaimed all the while that governments with laws existed. Why? Because civil authority is one of the four great governments God has established in the earth. Civil authority is needed in the earth because of the nature of man.
Laws are NOT meant to prevent good people freedom (though they become such in statist nations), rather they are meant to punish those who do evil. Civil government has very limited authority in the earth - but when men rebel against God the state increases in authority and oppresses men. Here is the appendix from the Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates that addresses just some of these important matters. defytyrants.com/laws-nation-mirror-law-justice-god/
@@DefyTyrants So this is where we are not in agreement. Laws are subjective and arbitrary of man BECAUSE it comes not from God (only God's Word is the full law and not by man). God (Who is Jesus) is the ultimate Authority over everything will be The One to punish the bad people in this world ("Vengeance is God's").
So what do laws do in reality? They are made as a way of man having power of the people any way man can. It is not Divine law that man makes laws. So what does this do? It creates authoritarianism which is manipulation which is EVIL working on controlling mankind instead of God's purpose of doing such.
Now we DO have governments and need to accept their circumstances of laws and such as God's Will works through everything. This is why I believe Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write these Biblical teachings - to let people understand that we must accept God's Will and Glory in every situation under the forms of government we currently will ever live under. That God will work it out.
I appreciate the response, however,
Government is what satan loves man... It is an easy concept to see. I hope you see it someday.
@@DefyTyrants I hope you know anarchism is not always a concept of violence or even rebellion at all.
Anarchism is just no government. Plain and simple. Which can remain pacifistic and not violent.
When anarchism happens, people create their own resources and when it is Christian anarchism, it remains peaceful as God has the end all be all.
Now what about defending against the bad guys? Of course. You have a right to defend against bad actions the Bible teaches against. But the ultimate justice is God's. Not by you or I or anybody on earth to get payback in our own way by inflicting harm for the sake of inflicting harm or even to determine how their life will go in a concrete cage. Bad people will exist with or without government. Whether we like it or not, our only responsibility in the secular sense is simply to be able to thrive and protect ourselves. That is not even arguable. It is objective
Love your video nonetheless!
@@clc-gl4jn Glad you love the video and thankful for your interest in such matters! Yes - I did not view it as violence or rebellion when you speak of Christian anarchism but as you state - just no government. The reason that no government does not work is because of human nature. It has been tried many times throughout history and has failed every time - again, because of human nature. Civil government has a legitimate God-given purpose - but it has a very limited purpose and must be confronted and resisted when it abuses its purpose and authority. Sometimes I think people go to the other extreme called Christian anarchism precisely because we live in a statist hell in America. But there is a ditch on each side of the road. Again - I think well of you and am thankful for your interest in these important matters.
@@DefyTyrants I totally can see where you are at because I still want there government to be for the people! I just definitely flirt with the idea of anarchism as only answering to Jesus as how it should always be the way I interpret it.
Yes, I pray you stay well and safe too! God bless and thank you for the informative video. Truly has opened my eyes
This needs to go viral and pastors needs to stand down for what they did
Thanks for this teaching! I appreciate the brevity!
Excellent presentation! Sharing and tagging friends who need to know! Thank you for your ministry. I have been reading "The Doctrine of Lesser Magistrates" and getting a lot out of it.
And it is funny that every other passage in the Bible is interpreted by other scriptures but Churchmen like to isolate Romans 13:1-7 and not look at other scripture.
No. In my experience it is the Spirit who leads me to all Truth IN Scripture.
BRAVO! Excellent presentation!
AMEN!! This needs to be preached in every church across America. It won't, but it should be.
Thank you so much, and this video was uploaded in 2021. Christians during the 2020 pandemic submit to the state when they were telling people not to worship God.
Some of them followed.
When they were telling us not to sing I had a big problem with that and with those who went along with it. I don't know why more churches didn't split up into house churches and meet in secret in people's homes.
@jonathansmith3031 or even better yet worship like normal and if the state comes tell them to leave they are trespassing.
If they refuse and threaten to arrest everyone allow yourselves to be arrested and it go viral that a state incarcerated everyone for practicing their religion and see the states PR get destroyed.
Amen! Hallelujahs Glory to God!
Thank you so very much for this!
I don't think anyone actually teaches unconditional obedience to civil authority. The correct rendition is that we are to obey civil authority so long as it does not cause us to sin against God's commandments. And what's this "church men" business. If you are in the body of Christ, you are in the Church.
A truly simple yet profound teaching on this chapter. A million thanks for providing it
EXCELLENT Pastor Matt! Thank you for this!
Thank you so much for true captions added to this video.
god bless you my friend, for i was confused and did not know if the scripture was corrupted. now i am know, praise our LORD GOD Jesus Christ
Thanks Pastor! Hope more Pastors lead like you in the future.
Thank you so Much
This was amazing Pastor Matt!!Thank you for sharing this with us! It really opened my eyes.
Brilliant video, thanks Matthew. Packs such a theological punch. I recommend your work in my book, 'Romans 13 and Covid 19'. Blessings, JL
Satan is the ruler and the prince of this world and the government is being ruled by the prince of darkness, I don't think that Jesus wants us to submit to the government on a lots of things.
Sometimes I wonder if Romans chapter 13 was added by a king, it makes me wonder.
Wonderful.
Thank you
Well done brother!
Amazing 😮 I always felt an uneasiness about this scripture. This video explains why. Very persuasive and comprehensively researched. Thank you ❤
Thank you and God bless
Romans 12:14 applies to Caesar as well. Arbitrarily separating it out from Romans 13 is actually a recipe for serving state power.
Instant sub, thank you so much for this video! God bless
Great explanation in a short video containing most of needed info, thanks
oh btw to kneel on one's knees is an expression that means you lean upon the soul for strength, not actually physically kneeling down.
My wife is so upset that I am against paying taxes to a corrupt government, she’s threatening divorce. I’ve studied for a long time and showed her scripture after scripture (some mention here) with no avail. Please pray for her change of heart. I’d hate for the kids to suffer through a divorce.
The bible has much more to say against divorce than anything about paying taxes. She needs to open her bible and read it before threatening divorce over a disagreement.
Excellent.
I totally subscribed ❤❤❤
Great explanation!
That is well put! Thanks for this!
I am struggling with this scripture and not being willing to take the vaccine and to separate my body for Gods purpose
Listen again with open ears, he says it quite simply. 😊
Very good video. Clear teaching!
Concise and outstanding.
I've always been taught that it was saying we should obey the LAWS of the land in which we live, like stop at stop signs and pay taxes, etc. And only if they don't contradict the Word or make it so we can't obey the Word. I've never heard the claim that we should just always obey the people in government without question.
Very good. Keep the faith!
If I could "heart" this video, I would.
You have.
Well done 👍
WE must obey all laws up to the point they turn against God, and those particular laws, we must disobey, in order to obey GOd. But there is a thin law of discernment. So , Daniel obeyed all laws of state except those against God. So, he never turned into a complete rebel of the national law, only against the ¨laws¨that directly go against the laws of God. This is requires to discern, But Daniel never said, that he would disobey Babylon's authority, in all instances, because it was an evil government. He obeyed all except for laws against God's Word. So , then, we only must discern which laws are against God's will, and yes, those we must obey! Period, but to turn into complete rebels of the local governments is a exegesis. We always must obey them-except for laws made against Word of God, and all others, yes, Exactly how we saw Daniel do it. He was considered ¨blameless¨ according to the law of the land and the other aristrocrats wanted to blame him for something, but simply coulnd't find any blame, and therefore they said, that ¨ONly with His God, can we get him caught for something, so they proceeded to make the king make a law against His God. So because a government is evil-like Babylon was and is today-we like Daniel, must still obey it in all things-EXCEPT THOSE LAWS AGAINST OUR GOD; Period. To understand otherwise would be to disregard God's Word in this issue. Pray about it and discern. This is how I see it. Blessed are you for being persecuted for ¨righteousness sake¨, not for your ¨own sake¨. So Civil obedience is biblical, only not for the laws against our GOD.
Brother you spoke my thoughts.
I was afraid that the video was going further than what is essentially a wise command from the Lord.
Killing babies (as in abortion), worshipping kings or men (as in idolatry) are very clear acts of unrighteousness before God therefore defying them (the laws and commands) is a Christian prerequisite. But defying authority (as to the men in charge) over all other laws (such as not paying taxes, or resisting arrest, etc as per Romans 13) would be acts not fitting a Christian testimony.
I'm scared as to the spiritual ramifications of what this video content maker's "teaching" might cause in the Christian realm.
@@tuberobotto 2 Corinthians 11:33 (KJV) And through a window in a basket was I let down by the wall, and escaped his hands.
So no doubt from your comment that you would have rebuked Paul for not agreeing to be arrested. Somehow God did not rebuke Paul for seeking to escape, so your view of the Bible is a very worldly one and not a Spiritual one.
hear hear! Jesus is LORD!
Excellent!
Reminds me of 1 Samuel 16:1-4
Well done.
And EXCELLENT VIDEO
10/10 video, congratulations!
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We need to define authoritys
I would also argue that here in the United States our chief governing authority is the U.S. Constitution. Until the USA is completely destroyed our allegence is to that authority and not to any man.
Your allegiance is to Yahweh and his perfect laws. Allegiance to any other entity is Idolatry.
Perhaps it was the warning of narcissist?.That authority is within us that knows right from wrong.and instinct takes care of it..But yet they still have to prove being good and doing right!
Could you make a second video explaining what Romans 13 does mean?
Let the Holy Spirit show you it refers to the authority of the hierarchy of the Body of Christ. The “civil authorities” are neither civil nor ministers of God to whom Paul refers. Government worships the Devil and God did NOT ordain these corrupt powers to be.
It means the government exists to reward good and punish evil. If it doesn’t do this it’s illegitimate. Christ’s own coming government will do exactly that.
Some common sense words. Much appreciated
excellent video
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So when the government goes against property rights or your rights as a person are you required to submit to that government? If you have the freedom to do something under God but governments say you cant do that must you submit to the government and say you cant do it cause government doesnt allow it?
There is a speed limit of 30 km/h on some roads in my country and I broke it all the time because it is too hard to comply and car may bang me from behind if I brake to 30 km/h. Many church goers park their car not on designated car park because not enough car park on Sunday. If we have to "obey unless it is a sin to disobey" then it is a sin to park car that way. So they should wake up early walk long distance to the church every Sunday. There are countless examples.
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Yes, I agree with most of this teaching. However, in Daniel’s instance you made it sound as if he was saying defiantly in your face I will pray even though the Nebuchadnezzar said it basically was illegal. But clarification Daniel always prayed with the window open to the east to the one true God. So in reality he was just doing what he always dis and would take the consequences. Remember when the Jews were first taken by the government. The Daniel was ordered to eat a certain food. Daniel basically said they would eat the food set before them but first they asked to eat vegetables for a few days and if they were not as healthy or healthier than the Babylonians then they would eat what the king ordered them to eat. My point is that we must look at all scripture because scripture does interpret itself if we do not add our individual opinions. I do not think the one with Paul is a good scripture to use either but i think i made my point.
Good word.
Although I agree wholeheartedly that God's Law is to be followed above all, how do you understand 1 Peter 2:18-23? Seems like the common exegesis is to not follow orders of a tyrannical government, but Peter is instructing servants to obey "unjust" masters. Similar to the family model that many do not believe applies to the Church, is there similarity here?
Shalom
That *they* are unjust masters does not mean that they are compelling YOU do be unjust, or do something illegal or against God's law. The "unjust" master's judge is God, not us. So, if your unjust master, while being unjust, demands that you go a mile with him, then you go two miles. We are simply responsible for obeying authority so long as it does not compel us to break God's law. But at that point, we must refuse. Honestly, I haven't seen anyone teaching otherwise, so I am not sure who the "target" of this video is.
Paul says that we are to live in peace with all men, but not indiscriminately. He says *_"In so far as it is possible,_*_ live in peace with all men."_ But sometimes, you can't live in peace. If men are intent on making you disobey God, then you cannot live peacefully with such people.
What a great video! Thank God not every minister has sold out. Keep fighting the good fight. Hope to see some more videos like this. Hit your knees and pray folks and God bless all of you.
I haven't found a mistranslation of the bible more horrific than most versions of Romans 13.
It also doesn’t mean to physically harm or fight. Where it can become a bit toxic is when you see believers touting how armed with guns to the teeth they are. I might be wrong but I don’t recall seeing anywhere in the scripture where it says to start a bloodbath. But rather we stand up. We flee or defy. We don’t pull out our gun and shoot or swing the Sword. Open to correction here.
Pacifism is a heresy, denounced throughout Christian history.
Men have God given roles as protectors. Self defense is a God-given right.
See this video for further elaboration.
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Zachary Batson, have you considered how the Armenians were disarmed first before they were exterminated? Have you considered the Holodomor? Those Ukrainian Catholics and Christians were first disarmed before 7 to 11 million perished in the famine.
Actually there is a limitation clause in there verse about children obeying their parents. "In the Lord"... would mean the parents are always parenting "in the Lord".
Your main point falls apart if people just read the first verse again: "for there is no authority except that which God has established". It's pretty clear. It's time to admit the bible we've compiled is not infallible.
I think it’s even more simple when you look at revelations although I’m not the most diverse biblical scholar I would say that isn’t it defying authority if you don’t take the Mark of the beast that right there to me says more than pretty much any other scripture you can cite the fact that we are to disobey authority if we feel it’s ungodly.
Your video makes it seem like Daniel prayed the way he did (on his knees, by an open window, and three times a day) just to be noticed (which goes against what Jesus says about praying in private in Matt 6:6) or at the least to make sure he was noticed (that is, Daniel wouldn't have been happy if nobody saw him breaking the law). The end of Daniel 6:10 makes that doubtful since it says prayed as he had done previously. I agree that Daniel 6 provides a biblical example of defying the government, but I don't think that Daniel changed his activity just to spite the government. He did what he would normally do even though it was in defiance of the government.
Do you have any reason to think that Daniel had previously prayed in a posture other than on his knees, someplace other than by his window (that faced towards Jerusalem, which is the likely reason he prayed by that window), or that he had previously prayed less than three times a day (it's unlikely he had prayed more than three times a day beforehand and then reduced it to three to defy the government) but changed just to defy the order and make sure he was noticed, as you say?
. . . do you need a tissue ?
There is no reason to think he did so any other way. The point may well be that he did not change what he did and kept matters obvious to the glory of God.
Most likely Daniel did exactly what he had always done. We know the law was written specifically to target Daniel, which implies the authorities knew his routine. To not continue the routine would have been paramount to sin for Daniel and a form acceptance of the ruling.
Why do you quarrel with this?
Good comment, Daniel. I hope everyone takes it into consideration.
My only push-back is regarding kneeling. I assumed the point of the video was to say he didn't try to hide the fact that he was praying, by standing, for example.
I think your interpretation speaks better of how we should act. There should be an equanimity about the defiance, if the whole reason why you're doing something is for God.
Who is the king in first Peter two?
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Why even bother saying “ hey as long as the government/authorities are good then you should obey but if not then it’s ok.”? This is one of those things that is better left unsaid. Common sense tells me I should listen to the ppl over me as long as they don’t interfere with Gods word.
It is very hard to find a church that teaches this version of Romans 13. Even if you bring up this interpretation in church, you are looked upon as a godless rebel. I had to leave my church because of this fact. The churchmen during our Revolution had it right, and are no longer admired or respected for their Biblical knowledge. Insane to say the least.
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Doesn’t the verse suggest that the authority determines what is good or evil?
Not at all. That would be another example of rank wise gears- reading into the text. How can “God’s servant for good” be read any other way than God defining what is good? Once again, if you read all of the other New Testament passages that relate to the subject of Romans 13 it is impossible to get the idea that civil governments are allowed to determine what is good and what is evil. Scripture interprets scripture.
Yes. (but who is the authority?)
Any power is given and defined by the authority that gives it: the powers that be are ordained of God: ordered under Him, defined by Him.
Power must needs be endowed by an authority, lest we declare it arbitrary, or inherent in the corporate creature; both leading to anarchy: for even the Lord Jesus, our King, was given it (Mat 28:18 - “All power is given unto me”).
God defines good or evil. Hence why His law is talked about at verses 8 onwards.
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I agree with this interpretation of Romans 13, but wanted to point out that I personally have never heard a pastor assert that the chapter suggests we obey the government without exception. I've only ever heard it taught exactly the way you just taught it. Not saying you're wrong or lying, just wanted to offer up my perspective on the matter.
Yes countless do teach that it is without exception. And, for many others where they do have exceptions to obey - have never seen the government do anything to which they should not obey. They have never seen a applicable reason not to obey (and in this society). They believe unlimited obedience by default. A popular exception is that "We obey unless we have to personally sin." But that is not true. Here is a three-minute video addressing that assertion: th-cam.com/video/He1b8gOTjAw/w-d-xo.html