I already own a modem, but I would be down to buy a collector's edition of a fighting game with a modem with art from said game and a cable that has a matching color (must be braided for strength)
My problem with this video is two fold: 1) You don't explain the harsh reality as to why WiFi is bad. A cable can do a '2-way' signal, it sends and receives data at the same time. WiFi on the other hand can only do one or the other. It cannot both send data, and receive data at the same time (Even if you have a router that can do both, none of the systems on the market support that anyway because they use bare minimum WiFi adapters at that). This doesn't effect things like watching videos or downloading updates, but a game is both sending and receiving inputs at the same time. WiFi was not made for this in mind, and as such it really makes the issue vastly worse as a result. Sure, you can be 'right next towards the router', but you're still only doing 1-way signal talking on a product that nearly requires 2-way. The fact that you -never- went into the reasons as to why, just going 'WiFi BAD, WIRED GOOD' is just...I feel like you're not making it understood as to why people should be getting cables in the first place, and that hurts your message overall. 2) You really should have better explained the price point and cables in general. The $5-$10 cables are at best...10 feet. You pretty much have to be right next towards the router for that little amount of cable. For a lot of people who are a few rooms away, they need at least 60+feet cables to really reach, along with stapling/managing it so it's not kicked/tripped/ruined, that length can easly be as much as a game outright, along with the time to put that all together. It's still worth investing and doing in the end, but assuming people can just drop $10 bucks and be set in a 10 min video feels like you're misunderstanding the situation for some people. The idea here is good, but for the length of discussion and editing involved, this felt less informative, and more ramble on a topic that really needs less emotional input and more cold hard facts.
Wow if only other people would listen to this and stop being lazy and open their eyes 👀 if they care so much about the fgc more people would do this with no hesitation instead of saying mine works fine im good no no your not stop being lazy switch i understand your logic but these are still adults we can't hold your hand figure it out fgc
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI You might want to checkout powerline ethernet adapters. They work the same way old school DSL internet worked by putting an extra signal on an existing cable (your household powerlines) and then filtering the base signal noise out on the other end. This does add maybe 5-15ms of lag, but it's consistent and doesn't change and that's less than 1 frame of delay. It's a lot more affordable and easier to setup then running 50-150 feet of cable through your walls to get ethernet. It's significantly better than wifi and with a game that has rollback or even a delay based game against someone within 200 miles you get almost no lag just like ethernet. If I couldn't check my ping I'd never know it wasn't just ethernet all the way to my router. For anyone reading this I use and suggest a pair of TP-link AV600s they cost about 35 dollars+10 dollars for 2, 6-10 foot ethernet cables. So for under 50 dollars anyone can have the closest thing to real ethernet. All that being said everyone should still want rollback in their games because ethernet only solves bad netcode if you're close to your opponent. As you said it doesn't solve wifi, but it will expand the already reduced pool of ethernet opponents you can play by a massive amount.
Lipucd great breakdown on the "why" behind bad wifi. I did see this video as more of a rant but it is fustrating that some people have the option to not only better their experience but the experience of others and they choose not to do so. I understand some people don't have a choice or just don't care when it comes to connection type. As I hinted to earlier I'm fine with the format this video is in. I think the category of people who consistently play fighters on WiFi will not make an effort to switch regardless of how much knowledge you drop on them. We also have to remember not everyone has "high speed" internet and if you live in an older house or have a lazy ISP the infrastructure bringing internet to your home could be so outdated it doesn't matter how much money you put into the materials inside your home, your connection will still be hindered.
It's a step in the right direction but sadly people can still be wired to a network that gets its internet wireless (5g routers, 4g LTE routers, wimax routers, etc.) and the game won't be able to detect that they're using wireless internet.
I watch Sajam, and I just assumed that the people who want rollback like me is because the netplay is still garbage even on a wired connection. I say this because Skullgirls was the first fighting game I frequently played online with friends, and that gave me a false image of what other FGs play like. Then we played DoA5/6, UMvC3, etc. It was so much of a horrible experience, we started having a hiatus on fighting games because of it. Now if we ever want to play any fighting game, we frequently look first if it's good rollback, and not the kind from SFV launch.
I think a good part of people on wifi don't especially think it's ok. I mean...it's only based on the people I know, but from those who still use wifi, the reason is often that their PC is too far from the router to connect it easily (e.g. the router is in the living room, and their PC is in their bedroom). There are of course solutions, but often the parents won't go out of their way. It's more the parents that are like "Wifi is good enough, deal with it" with their children, I think.
I'm on a wire, but for every 1 wi-fi player who's tuned in to the FGC, there are 100 wi-fi players who have no idea the arguments are happening and honestly don't really care. They just want to play some Street Fighter or whatever after work and aren't gonna change their setup. getting most people off of wi-fi isn't feasible, and splitting the community in half isn't exactly a great solution either.
This is true, but I think a lot of people who care enough to complain would take a reduction in player base for better quality connections on average. Even if most people are unaware of what is happening, those who care the most can control the increased potential for better quality connections. After all, we're the loudest bitches and we're whiny enough to cry about it to the point developers are adding these things in.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI Sure, mixed with all the Ethernet players who are new/casual/not that good. It's hard enough to get people to stick with a fighting game without them needing to be an above average player to get decent matches.
Noelle! You say splitting the community in half ain't a solution but i can't see how someone with wifi, who contributes to the problem, can rightfully regard themselves as part of the community. I know i don't regard them as such. Edited to correct spelling of Noelle!'s tag.
Cult of sajam: Wifi works for me you cant force me to play LAN Japan: delay based works for us you cant force us to implement rollback Cult of sajam: wait that's illegal
My router is across the house but I still bought a 100 ft Lan Cable and made sure it didn't get in anyone's way. My matches are so much better now. It was expensive since it was a 100 ft cable, but it was worth it.
Damn you're a champ, hats off. I did same thing, except I ran 6 cables through the attic, through insulation, to the laundry room where the cable model is--and hooked up every room to have ethernet (since I was doing a cable run anyway). It's invisible, and I get my network running nice and optimal. I was not going to be stuck on WiF, only by choice when im on my laptop.
For those who can’t use Ethernet because of your living situation invest in a power line adapter it makes it so you can have Ethernet anywhere in your house as long as there is an outlet
Kangy *dab* Thank you so much for posting this! This is the perfect fit for what my friend needs since he can’t move his modem and router and wanted to switch over to wired.
What you need is called a "Powerline Network Adapter" also known as "Powerline Ethernet" they are better plugged directly to the Powerline instead of on a "multi-socket/power-strip".
You know what's way worse and probably even more common than bad connections due to WIFI? Multiple person households bombarding their stock ISP routers with streaming all sorts of shit at once, the cheap chipset in there gets overloaded and can't load balance properly and then you get lag and a cable won't fix that.
It's unreasonable to expect people that buy your game to use a specific network type. Thats why developers should assume the worst and implement good rollback netcode like GGPO. But yeah wifi is really bad for fighting games.
@@SolidFake That isn't unreasonable. Only an idiot would assume otherwise. People who just want to press buttons and do some shit will care less about variable lag than players actually trying to get better at the game.
this is the tekken community, which i'm sometimes embarrassed to be playing the same game "T7 online mode is so trash, bring ROLLBACK blah blah blah", then they go "oh i play on wifi" lmao....no fucking excuse to be playing on wifi
funny you think jiyuna is a game dev and is in control of this lol also the dev's are tending to the netcode of their games in a timely fashion *give them time and be patient*
I hope that every game that implements this "wi-fi player exposure" feature does it right, so we don't get something that starts labeling cable players as wi-fi players.
you can watch the skullgirls implementation video mikeZ posted that shows how they detect wifi, he's even updating it regularly whenever someone finds a workaround to "pretend" they're wired to truly expose them. it's not like you can lie about your connection when a connection by definition is literally all the data being transferred. you can read all the data and parse it out, there's no hiding from reality.
@@ElseeKay The person looks for a turnaround on how to display Lan instead of wifi but can't fix their shit internet? WTF? This must some wifi cult shit
Y'all, if your modem/router is super far away, look into "powerline adapters" basically if you're electrical wiring was done after the 70's you can have a wired connection anywhere in you're home with a power outlet.
@zeokenX For a good online experience, you need a good connection *and* good netcode. One or the other does not suffice and it's foolish to disregard either push.
@@bleack8701 absolutely, me and the 40% will be enjoying or solid connections while you guys can be happy teleporting all over each other in wifi hell 👌
It’s insane to me that people play mostly on stationary consoles and pc’s but can’t tether themselves to an Ethernet port for whatever reason. Whenever you even make a gentle recommendation to use a cable, these people get defensive like the idea of WiFi is a member of their family. Listen man, there are so many variables with internet services especially when using WiFi. Your router, your wireless card/adapter, your distance from the router, how many walls are between you and said router, and whether you have the option or enough IQ to decide between 2.4 GHZ or 5. Just swallow your pride people, it’s not expensive and it’s not that difficult man.. Or atleast just stop whining, cause most all of us have been there. You have to realize at some point it is probably your decision to have shitty internet and not the game screwing you over.
I am adamant about using lan, BUT I have found out a few reasons why, one is they paid a ton of money for a wifi router that touted for gaming and so they believe that it works for them, two they might be kids or they live in dorms or apartments that have their own wifi and no other options but using wifi, and three, they have their device to far away from the router or they don't know about switches that give you more router options
Yeah, I know why I put two ethernet wall sockets into my living room. Unfortunately, not everyone has the luxury of being able or allowed to do so. This is something you have to understand. In many places it is not feasible to run a cable through the house because a) they're tripping hazards, b) it looks like shit, c) the landlord says "no" to putting them into the wall and d) if the player is a kid you can bet their parents won't allow it because of a) and b). So they shouldn't be allowed to play the game they bought with their hard earned money? No, this one's on the developers to fix. That said, games shouldn't just have the option to decline wifi players, there should be an option to never even have them suggested to you (just like players with high latency). But I'm pretty sure the devs won't do that because some games would look even more dead than they already are.
@@qwesx I agree my man, like I said, "Atleast stop whining." I hate to hear from these people that is the fault of the game or even worse my connection when they're at fault. When its a kid I can totally understand because I was in the same position myself, albeit more self aware. That being said there are still plenty of grown ass adults that cant seem to use their collective functioning braincells to understand their own faults and just seem to get enjoyment from complaining. those are the people I detest, if you honestly cant get an ethernet cable, or have it installed for whatever reason I totally get it. If you make the decision not to either out of convenience or ignorance and then be an asshole about it, then fuck you, grow up or stop playing online games.
Cable player here. I think a missed point (despite all the funny vitriol which was honestly entertaining and i can't wait for Sajam's response) are the players that given the chance would jump on lan but for logistics reasons can't. Should they drop online or should they continue to play given the fact that they really cannot get a wire through their home? I'm 100% in favour for lan/wifi display before match and usually on discord people say that they are on wifi and sorry for the situation. WiFi is really really bad (i only play games with rollback so i can't really make the obvious comparison with delay) but i'm not not gonna play you if you ask, and well, if the match goes ok i'm 100% in into rematching. So... my little tip for wifi players is to get a wire, if that's impossible avoid jumping on ranked/casual matches. Just hop on a server for that game, ask to play and SPECIFY you are on WiFi. And especially don't compete in tourneys, please. You can get games going with a bit of honesty. Good luck to you all and may all the players get wired and all the games get rollback
Yeah, I'm one of those people that can't afford to setup a wire right now so I just hang out in lobbies and if someone has a problem with my connection they're allowed to leave. It's not like I'm forcing people to sit down and keep playing with me. I know people are throwing powerline adapters around as a solution, but I don't see a reason to invest in what's a temporary setup and once I've got a new setup the adapters would be 100% useless for me so it'd be wasted money for something I'd have used only for a few months
There are always going to be people who have a legit reason why they are forced to not lay a cable from their router to their console/pc. It's not 60% of all people who play fighting games. There is no way 60% of all people are stuck in a situation where they'd be kicked out of the premises if they dared to lay a cable.
I'm staying away from playing online until i got my room set up. Pretty close to getting the floor done, and then its the connecting all the electric stuff. Then i can maybe get out if wifi hell
Not everyone can have their PCs/consoles next to the router, and people who rented their place for a few years aren't going to flip the house upside down to get the cable where they need. But then again this was streamed from a 10sqm japanese apartment...
Most of the time for people, the router is far from their gaming setup, and drilling hills through walls or snaking a long ass cable through hallways is not a viable option. Well, people still have other options such as powerline adapters. Although, powerline adapters are still at the mercy of the age of your house, it is still a better option than playing with no Ethernet.
I do currently play on WiFi but that's pretty much cause I'm lazy and haven't wanted to run a wire through my house. Though I did get off my ass the other day and measure out how long of a cable I will need so I can run it along the edges/corners of the wall so it can avoid being in the way. Probably next week that will be one less person playing Tekken on wifi
I'm glad he came around and said "Netplay is bad enough as it is" This needed to be said. The first part made it sound like as long as you had a wire, you're good regardless of how the netcode affects stability, which is clearly not the case. When we have the discussion of "Is Delay-based bad" it is presumed that we are coming from an honest place - i.e. the general population arguing the point has done all it reasonably can to create the best environment possible for seamless netplay. If WiFi users want to latch onto the argument, whatever - but to pretend that the only reason this view is valid is the legions of WiFi Warriors banding together for the cause is dishonest. Pretending that you can now shave those arguing for this point in half because of this statistic is even more dishonest. This change is great, but the end goal is still Rollback Netcode at the end of the day. Let's make that perfectly clear.
Gurl, I put my router outside the house next to the bird feeder before logging on. Gaslighting aside, holding devs accountable for product maintenance is more important than holding dumb people accountable when there is an equal base of not dumb people (including every single pro player) who suffer for this hilarious shill of a scapegoat position.
I’ve played delay based games with both players wired and rollback games with neither player wired. Rollback is more important than connection type from my experience. Obviously everyone should try to be on wired but I think rollback is more important.
I was tired of not being able to play ranked so I finally decided to run a 50 foot ethernet cable from my room through my vents down to basement router
it's funny my japanese friend was on wifi and i asked him how long it took to download FF7R and he said around 21 hours, then i told him to buy granblue to play against him and said we're using a LAN cable this time... it took maybe 30 mins for download, he was absolutely amazed and was like "why the fuck doesn't everyone do this?!", there's your other reason
Lan cables helps with stability. it can't fix ping. I play on lan and can't play with people more than 3 states away from me in games that use delay based netcode. Rollback doesn't have this problem because of Its ability to compensate for packet loss and ping spikes. But, let's be real, the ultimate enemy of fighting game online (at least in the us) are the ISPs. It doesn't matter how good your net code is if Comcast wants to fuck your download speed because your family dosen't want to stop watching Netflix.
It's all about priorities. I know dudes that will spend $200 a week on weed & take out but won't spend $75 a month on Dope internet & a LAN cable 🤦🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️ & this is why I love your channel 👍🏿👍🏿
Fellow WiFi warrior here. I get that people don’t wanna bad connection when playing someone but some people just wanna play the game like after school or a long day. occasionally I’ll get a playable connection then it’s just downhill . I’m happy just playing in training mode practicing combos I’ll never be able to land on someone lol.
I paid full price for a game im gonna play in what way is accessible to me which is wifi. Our router is too far to run a 50ft cable throughout the house.
all my shit is cat8 i still lose to a wifi warrior whose mom wont let him run a cable through the house and his sister is streaming netflix in the other room
That's right. Please scream about this from the rooftops. Your fine example must be spread far and wide, so that hopefully others will follow! In case this sounds like sarcasm, please understand it IS *NOT!*
Michael McCoy I understand when I first bought rev like 4 or 5 years ago I quickly found out WiFi wasn’t gonna work so I had to do what I had to do. It useful for other games to so I’m glad I bought it.
some of us live in blocks where the router is out of reach. To get access would involve drilling holes through walls, some landlords aren't too down with it.
Going forward all fighting games should have 1. Rollback 2. wifi/lan indicator 3. Casual/Ranked 4. Que for casual or ranked matches from practice mode 5. Detailed practice modes including online practice modes 6. Replay mode with tips like how T7 now has
someone drops one combo and suddenly becomes a network engineer. most modern wifi routers outspeed the actual connection you have to the wider internet unless you have a very fast connection. connection jitter considered "acceptable" by most vendors is around 30ms. One frame in a 60fps game is 16.6ms, so we can presume 2f rollback should about cover acceptable jitter and 3f would completely overcome anything you couldn't RMA over wifi gamers be playing on 2 bars because they're sharing the wifi with 20 other people in their dorm on an internet hookup that was set up in 1977 and never got a single upgrade, not because wifi is inherently slow or unreliable Also I don't get why the FGC is all up on Ethernet over Power/"Powerline™". every sector laughed that shit out of the park with good reason, but people are saying it's better than wifi now? lil bro be using a token ring network in 2027, did D-Link sponsor a major one year or something??
Ah yes, $3 to buy a meter-long ethernet cable to go from the router downstairs snaked around to the stairs and strung through the second floor hallway into the play room where all the gaming stuff is. Because we've already wasted too much money on trash in the house for us to spend the extra money to thread it into the wall.
For me it's not a matter of being too poor to buy the cable, but more because my current home has no means to set it up. I share my place with 2 other people and we all use WiFi. The thing is, the place has 2 floors, the router is on the first one and my room is directly above it on the second. In order to even get the cable to my room, I'd need to drill a hole into the first floor's roof, which isn't possible. Thus I am stuck with WiFi as there is no other solution for me.
There's still a multitude of options run cables to the entire housing infrastructure without needing to drill or alter the structure. I've done it a lot of times. If you have HVAC ducts, you can run cat6 outdoor rated cables through them using fish table or fiberglass run rods. If the house is old and you have no HVAC or ducting system. You can use cable moulds to hide the appearance of a cable and run it along the walls and/or ceiling. Matching cable mould color with the walls and runners will be pretty much invisible without anyone specifically looking for them. If that isn't an option then you can also do a cable run that leads outside through a window, and once again use cable moulds/runners to hide the appearance and run it along the outsides of the house into the windows again, this is the most inconvenient option but it is something I've done personally and it's not that expensive. Even in a new rental im in, no one wanted to see the cables run through the house so I went into the attic and fished through 6 different cat6 cables through insulation into eletrical outlets and replaced the face plates with RJ-45 terminators and hooked up the Cat6 to that. The house now has 5 rooms with ethernet connections available and all of it is invisible. It's a matter of will, and I realize most people don't care enough to--so WiFi it is. But WiFi being bad isn't just an exxageration, it's just the only way it can be designed and function. Half-duplex implies that it can only transmit one way at a time (send or receive), along with everyone being on WiFi (especially in apartment complexes) for all things internet makes it a hostile ground for WiFi devices in general.
The LAN display makes me wonder how many assholes are using those WiFi Extenders lol. So it’ll say that they’re using LAN but that actually isn’t the case.
Yknow it’s quite simple actually most of these games are developed in Japan where rollback isn’t necessary bc if it’s size...idk why ppl defend WiFi, I know I hated being blamed for it before I got a cable
My favourite excuse is "my router is on another floor and at the opposite side of the house, so I can't use a cable!". A ridiculous amount of people use this one and then proceed to hop online and play on that weak-ass signal from Uranus.
Yea and when you tell them that there are 25ft plus cords that they can run through the house. they always use the excuse well i dont want to run all that through my house. Well then dont play online simple.
Welp, in my situation I can't fucking play with LAN because my house is kinda big and my room is kinda far away from the router, and I fucking won't put my console in the living room cause my bedroom is the place I can be on almost full privacy and that's how I want to play my games
Same man, UK house layouts are so bad that the router plug are either in the kitchen or somewhere in the corridor, so how the hell am I supposed to wire my connection? Drilling walls from kitchen to my bedroom is unpractical at best, on top of that since I'm renting, I'm not even allowed to modify my house... Tldr: I'll never play fighting games kekw
I too was an unsubscribed AnimeIlluminati no cord heathen, but one day I found out about POWERLINE ADAPTERS and I was able to at least feel like I'm not some old man living with my parents. It will change your life. Damn I need a new one, it's been 4 years 🤔
"if you would legitimately want to run a cable but there's stuff blocking you from doing it, i totally understand. that being said, i'm allowed to call you a wifi-playing bitch" -sajam
Bruh. Back when MKX came out and had delay netcode, my friend wanted to learn the game, so I was teaching him. We played every other day for 2-3 hours. It took me months to get him to go to the fucking store and get fucking a cable. And then sometimes he was like "I don't feel like plugging it in, I'm feeling lazy today, let's just play on WiFi, it works fine". Dude, shitting on some rando is one thing. But playing a fighting game with your bro on while on Discord and sufferring severe lag every 30 seconds really taught me Buddhist monk type of self-control.
people should not be shocked by the 60% stat. i can absolutely fucking guarantee many of the subscribers of this channel are on wifi too lmao they just won't admit it. i mean i don't have an ethernet setup rn (working on it) but i don't play fgs online at all
I was gonna bitch about my Living situaition and blah blah blah but I took one glance at the comment section and legit had no idea powerline adapters were a thing Thanks chat!
YES this is Improvement! I quit talking about netcode. Most ppl that lag, when I ask them, THEY don't even know what their internet speed IS... why would I even waste time explaining them wht a Lan cable is.
This is what I can appreciate. As a man in my late 30s, I can always like when a Veteran within similar age range do diligence and slap these kids up a bit with the facts of life. Today's is accountability. This seems to go on with everything nowadays. Its everything's fault but theirs. Those Japanese developers are trying really hard to not shit on Americans infrastructure and connections.
I have 2 options 1. drill a hole through a brick wall that's 25cm thick and get yelled at 2. buy a 20m cable that will run through multiple rooms that people will trip on I've got plans on how to fix the situation, but for now they're on hold. Until then I'm just chilling in lobbies. If someone has a problem with my connection they're free to get up, leave and not run the rematch. Bonus option is a powerline adapter, but I don't want to invest in something that I'll only use for a couple of months and even then there are scenarios where they might not work. I've done my research and as far as I can tell they're really inconsistent. It depends on quality of the wire, noise in the line, interference from other electrical appliances and wether or not they're on the same circuit breaker. House I live in is old so I'm not very confident in the wire quality. Plus, electricity cables aren't made to carry data. I'm currently looking into MoCA, but who knows how that will turn out. At least with MoCA you're using a cable meant for data transfer (coax cable) I only ask people to show some understanding because I see a lot of elitism about this topic. If the connection is bad you can always walk away. Being mean to people isn't going to help the community. Just hope your game gets the indicators so you can establish that from the start and avoid the uncertainty I just wish rollback was the norm so people being on wifi would matter a lot less
Even with rollback, WiFi is bad. You haven't even tried a powerline adaptor, assuming it'd be bad. Just buy one, try it out and return it if it doesn't work.
All of this. I guess the majority of the fgc love in really small houses. There's no way I'm gonna run a Ethernet cable from one room to the other. What type of tacky b.s. is that? Now when I build a house I'll have a dedicated network room where the console will be but until then WiFi is good enough.
@@adityamanam5716 house was made in the 70s man. I'm not holding my breath over the quality of the wires. And yeah, rollback wouldn't solve the problem, but it'd lessen it because it could smooth things out a bit
@@AndrewBiggam they werent drilled before, I just used a longer cable and taped it onto the walls, you can even use cable extenders. And I used current adapters before that. There are workarounds
I play on cable. But I do have some friends that play on wifi because they don't have the set up to run wired. Situations with roommates or similar, where the router is in one room and their playing in another room. They don't want to run a cable all through the house. Kinda sucks sometimes but some of them I can get a good lag free ( or close ) match. And some I can't. I don't think there's a easy world wide solution.
i wanna get an ethernet cable and connect it to my pc but my router is apparently in the best place for my house, and my room is 2 rooms away from the router so i dont really know what im supposed to do. if i move the router to my room my routers connection might take a hit to everyone in the household so im at a loss. what should i do
Im not surprised by this at all, and actually I am shocked people are surprised and that its actually so high for ethernet use. Ethernet is "old". Its "wired" and "wires are going away". Wifi feels more modern and there is a perception with the average person that wifi is plenty fast enough in this day and age. Ethernet ports left laptops ages ago and I haven't used an ethernet port myself for probably 10 years and I know people who have never in their life used ethernet and barely even know what it is. Wifi and internet are pretty much even synonymous. Obviously with a console its pretty simple, the thing never moves so just plug the damn cable in, but im not even sure if my apartment has an ethernet cable. Never checked, never bothered. So the fact that almost half of people actually do plug it in is quite good.
Not just with rank but they should also give users the ability to control which connection type people prefer to join in lobbies along with showing ping.
Have you ever used powerline adapter technology? When I lived in my parents’ basement, I couldn’t easily string an Ethernet cable. I bought a $30 one off amazon and it greatly enhanced my experience and growth. Now I share bandwidth with a woman that streams HD on two devices. And I definitely use a LAN cable now. But yeah, that was my experience- would like to hear your thoughts on it someday.
Used to be a Wi-Fi Scrub between 2012 ~ 2016 due to being tied to a laptop playing SF4 over there, ever since SF5, I put together a regular desktop, LAN cable obviously and never went back.
Everyone who watched this and is thinking I wish, but I can't run a cable through my rentals walls or something similar look up powerline ethernet adapters. TP-link makes a bunch of solid ones. I use a pair of TP-link AV600s myself. Powerline ethernet adapters solve this you plug one into a wall outlet near your router and the other near your PC or Console and you have ethernet. No holes in your wall, no routing, no tripping on cables running down your stairs. The only thing to look out for is you can't put them on the same circuit as a large appliance say your AC, washer, dryer, that kind of thing. Which are almost always on their own circuits, but sometimes the outlets right next to them are on the same breaker. But it works in any other combination of outlets.
My only problem is in my current living area with my family it is literally impossible at the moment for me to have a wired connection because the router is hooked up from like 3 rooms away and my dogs will chew anything they see. They see Lan cable hooked up, they go "oh look C H E W T O Y". I have a nice lan cable and I've been wanting to switch to wired for a long ass time. The moment I move into a new apartment I'm making a wired setup ASAP. As someone thats been forced to play wifi I'm all for these updates of notifying people they're up against a wifi player because I know how much it can fuckin suck ALOT.
I want to play with a wired connection but the router is in the living room and I live with my parents, so I'm not gonna play there while they are napping. When I move out I'll make sure to set the router in the play room.
It might take more than a decade for at least 70% of the player base to use a wired connection I think. We are American, so the majority will take the easy and cheaper option when it comes to play. In addition to this, the sense for rollback just isn’t there for the majority of the FGC especially for anime fighter players. Also most games that have rollback such as Skullgirls, Battle of the Grid, as well as most current fighting games made in America are currently not being streamed as much in comparison to of the major fighting games as of now that has Japan delay based. The exception is Mortal Kombat 11, but even that has not been showing up often due to a public distaste in Kombat League and a demand for wifi-filter which may implies that NRS support wifi as it could represent a majority user base. This overall lack of movement is similar to mob mentality that the majority and game developers in Japan will only see it as that unless something major would push them otherwise in future projects. Sadly for a few percentage of them, wired is not an option for all people in America either by price and/or location. One such I experienced is that connecting a cable for modem to console directly isn’t the best option since it causes minor disconnections at fixed hours. I had it fixed using a wireless router with additional cables, hook the router to modem, then from the router to the longest cable I had to another room where the console is. It’s still classified as wired…so long nobody touch it and everyone else in the household can use wireless separately I think. Overall this cost around $430 for me. Also, I can understand that some people have no access to a wired connection especially in the heavy rural areas of America. They are still forced to use America Online for what I heard is ten dollars per month. Though they could move, they most likely have a valuable job there that isn’t worth moving out. Soo yeah, it not going to change anytime soon unless a game developer releases a popular triple A game that only plays online wired…but that isn’t going to happen soon or like ever.
I wanna play wired but I live in my parents house so I can't use the room with the router and I'd have to have a wire thay goes across our front hall, I can't wait to move out and be able to use wired
ask you're parents if you can get a big cable and work it around the walls or through the walls for you to play, tell them you'll run errands and do jobs or whatever and see what they say, all you can do is ask
When I was younger (14-15), my mom didn't like the idea of cat5 cables snaking around. But I told her if you notice it after we're done, we'll pay you (monthly) to ignore it. She agreed and after we were done she didn't even notice the cable runs and the entire apartment had Ethernet connections with a solid networking switch.
@@kimosavage7478 as appealing as the idea is, I'm not going to be living here for much longer so the cost of doing it vs the time I'll get use out of it isn't all that worth it. For now I'll just stick with being a sajam sub and say "it works for me"
@@neogatsu9567 it's not real at all, lol (personally, I think Jiyuna does this as a lowkey shoutout to Sajam, and vice-versa). Besides, Sajam also calls out wifi warriors.
What if you cant get ethernet cause your router is all the way across your house and you only have bad wifi because theres only one functional wifi choice in your area that has shit bandwith but everyone in your area is on it and the wifi company says there going to upgrade it but they never do so you cant play games only unless you get lucky and you like fighting games a lot
Its the devs job to make a good game with good netcode its the players choice to spend extra money and setup lan its not mandatory and makes lan players super elitist and means wifi players dont get to play and the game dies
Wi-Fi players: Man this lag...
Wired players: Searching for Opponent...
Neither side will ever feel fulfillment
Yes one will the side land line will smart people will wake while the lazy complain about it
Imagine a world where every game has rollback and every player uses a wired connection. A man can dream...
Yeah and everyone has dial up aol
Switch has left the chat
@@soma03678 WTF??? 😂😂😂😂 I'm wired for all 3 systems. PC,Switch,PS4,& Xbox 🤦🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
@@myquietreviews congrats you are part of the 2% that bothered paying 30$ for a wired extention and actually use it!
@@soma03678 😂😂😂😂 Yes sir
I think developers should just bundle a LAN cable with their games at this point
Wi-Fi players wouldn't know what to do with it.
they already tasked with making the game then getting gamers who think they know what's going on telling them what to do nah they don't
Instructions unclear, plugged weird cable into my toaster but it keeps bodying me.
I already own a modem, but I would be down to buy a collector's edition of a fighting game with a modem with art from said game and a cable that has a matching color (must be braided for strength)
Wi-fi players: Is this a Wifi setup tool?
4:01: “Mankind knew that they cannot change the netcode. So, instead of plugging in the Ethernet cable, they blamed the JP Devs”
"But they found beauty in the lives of JP devs. And couldn't lie to themselves about it."
Hazzy Dahaka I’m just a small part of the world! BUT NO LAG CAN BREAK ME!!!
So the smell of the game was caused by bad netcode all along
Jp devs are still the problem tho.
Arrow the smell of the game is the router burning up
WiFi warriors: "It works for me"
Welp you finna get them skips from Lan people.
Wi-fi warriors seething.
😡
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI LOL ReeeeeeeeeeeEEEE XD This video needs a part 2 Hahahahah at the Tekken 7 players atm.
All good on my end
"Take 5 dollars away from this guy, cancel your sub and get one of these." LMAO
My problem with this video is two fold:
1) You don't explain the harsh reality as to why WiFi is bad. A cable can do a '2-way' signal, it sends and receives data at the same time. WiFi on the other hand can only do one or the other. It cannot both send data, and receive data at the same time (Even if you have a router that can do both, none of the systems on the market support that anyway because they use bare minimum WiFi adapters at that). This doesn't effect things like watching videos or downloading updates, but a game is both sending and receiving inputs at the same time. WiFi was not made for this in mind, and as such it really makes the issue vastly worse as a result. Sure, you can be 'right next towards the router', but you're still only doing 1-way signal talking on a product that nearly requires 2-way. The fact that you -never- went into the reasons as to why, just going 'WiFi BAD, WIRED GOOD' is just...I feel like you're not making it understood as to why people should be getting cables in the first place, and that hurts your message overall.
2) You really should have better explained the price point and cables in general. The $5-$10 cables are at best...10 feet. You pretty much have to be right next towards the router for that little amount of cable. For a lot of people who are a few rooms away, they need at least 60+feet cables to really reach, along with stapling/managing it so it's not kicked/tripped/ruined, that length can easly be as much as a game outright, along with the time to put that all together. It's still worth investing and doing in the end, but assuming people can just drop $10 bucks and be set in a 10 min video feels like you're misunderstanding the situation for some people.
The idea here is good, but for the length of discussion and editing involved, this felt less informative, and more ramble on a topic that really needs less emotional input and more cold hard facts.
Excellent analysis.
Wow if only other people would listen to this and stop being lazy and open their eyes 👀 if they care so much about the fgc more people would do this with no hesitation instead of saying mine works fine im good no no your not stop being lazy switch i understand your logic but these are still adults we can't hold your hand figure it out fgc
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI You might want to checkout powerline ethernet adapters. They work the same way old school DSL internet worked by putting an extra signal on an existing cable (your household powerlines) and then filtering the base signal noise out on the other end. This does add maybe 5-15ms of lag, but it's consistent and doesn't change and that's less than 1 frame of delay. It's a lot more affordable and easier to setup then running 50-150 feet of cable through your walls to get ethernet. It's significantly better than wifi and with a game that has rollback or even a delay based game against someone within 200 miles you get almost no lag just like ethernet. If I couldn't check my ping I'd never know it wasn't just ethernet all the way to my router. For anyone reading this I use and suggest a pair of TP-link AV600s they cost about 35 dollars+10 dollars for 2, 6-10 foot ethernet cables. So for under 50 dollars anyone can have the closest thing to real ethernet.
All that being said everyone should still want rollback in their games because ethernet only solves bad netcode if you're close to your opponent. As you said it doesn't solve wifi, but it will expand the already reduced pool of ethernet opponents you can play by a massive amount.
Lipucd great breakdown on the "why" behind bad wifi. I did see this video as more of a rant but it is fustrating that some people have the option to not only better their experience but the experience of others and they choose not to do so. I understand some people don't have a choice or just don't care when it comes to connection type. As I hinted to earlier I'm fine with the format this video is in. I think the category of people who consistently play fighters on WiFi will not make an effort to switch regardless of how much knowledge you drop on them. We also have to remember not everyone has "high speed" internet and if you live in an older house or have a lazy ISP the infrastructure bringing internet to your home could be so outdated it doesn't matter how much money you put into the materials inside your home, your connection will still be hindered.
Meanwhile got a first gen PS5 and the lan port decided to say no.
Physical copies of fighting games should all have an "Online Warrior Edition" that comes packaged with an ethernet cable and a drill
you want people with little to no use of power tools to start going wild to maybe hit a beam? you funny....
Nah, leave the drill, just throw in a powerline adapter.
My drill is the drill that will pierce the WiFi warriors!
@@M4TTYN you must be fun at party... If someone ever invited you.
@@M4TTYN glad you saw the joke
I am gonna roast so many people on stream the moment September 24th comes around for GBVS
I'm praying we get a wifi indicator. please.
Time to say goodbye to the wifi warriors.
Devs should add a "Do not match Wifi users" button.
have fun sitting in the waiting warm up lobby then
A match every hour
I'd rather be guaranteed a good match with a long wait than suffer through another match full of stuttering.
M4TT YN waiting for 1 good games is a thousand times better than playing WiFi warriors all day
@@M4TTYN lol, id rather wait couple more min than wasting time on a shitty ass match playing with wifi dumbasses like you
Glad I can be one of the Sajam subs that does have a Lan cable
It's a step in the right direction but sadly people can still be wired to a network that gets its internet wireless (5g routers, 4g LTE routers, wimax routers, etc.) and the game won't be able to detect that they're using wireless internet.
I watch Sajam, and I just assumed that the people who want rollback like me is because the netplay is still garbage even on a wired connection.
I say this because Skullgirls was the first fighting game I frequently played online with friends, and that gave me a false image of what other FGs play like. Then we played DoA5/6, UMvC3, etc. It was so much of a horrible experience, we started having a hiatus on fighting games because of it. Now if we ever want to play any fighting game, we frequently look first if it's good rollback, and not the kind from SFV launch.
I can't believe Obama's Co host is throwing Majas under the bus like that.
I hope Majas sue this Obama's co host
I think a good part of people on wifi don't especially think it's ok. I mean...it's only based on the people I know, but from those who still use wifi, the reason is often that their PC is too far from the router to connect it easily (e.g. the router is in the living room, and their PC is in their bedroom). There are of course solutions, but often the parents won't go out of their way. It's more the parents that are like "Wifi is good enough, deal with it" with their children, I think.
I know it's not ok to play over wifi but what you have described is exactly what, unfortunately, my problem is
This is me. It hurts, but I plan to fix it when I move out.
Man even with rollback trying to play on wifi is cancer.
I'm on a wire, but for every 1 wi-fi player who's tuned in to the FGC, there are 100 wi-fi players who have no idea the arguments are happening and honestly don't really care. They just want to play some Street Fighter or whatever after work and aren't gonna change their setup.
getting most people off of wi-fi isn't feasible, and splitting the community in half isn't exactly a great solution either.
This is true, but I think a lot of people who care enough to complain would take a reduction in player base for better quality connections on average. Even if most people are unaware of what is happening, those who care the most can control the increased potential for better quality connections. After all, we're the loudest bitches and we're whiny enough to cry about it to the point developers are adding these things in.
Those 100 randoms will be down at the beginner ranks playing with other wi-fi players.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI Sure, mixed with all the Ethernet players who are new/casual/not that good.
It's hard enough to get people to stick with a fighting game without them needing to be an above average player to get decent matches.
Noelle! You say splitting the community in half ain't a solution but i can't see how someone with wifi, who contributes to the problem, can rightfully regard themselves as part of the community. I know i don't regard them as such.
Edited to correct spelling of Noelle!'s tag.
@@Amagys yup. Quality over quantity. Every time, all the time. That's my preference.
Get a lan cable, wear a mask, the Earth is round...what's next?
I'm gonna include wifi in my matchmaking just so I can decline every wifi player.
wear a mask? hahahaha that's funny
Chaotic good
@@vacantseaofplanets You an anti masker? U been on those facebook conspiracies too much dog.
@@vacantseaofplanets Don't huff paint and stay off Facebook. Both of those things rot your brain.
That's good tech, I'm going to copy it.
As a WiFi player, I literally don't care.
It's fine! We're just happy that we don't have to play you anymore.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI Np
Cult of sajam: Wifi works for me you cant force me to play LAN
Japan: delay based works for us you cant force us to implement rollback
Cult of sajam: wait that's illegal
The wifi users are in the Cult of Majas.
My router is across the house but I still bought a 100 ft Lan Cable and made sure it didn't get in anyone's way. My matches are so much better now. It was expensive since it was a 100 ft cable, but it was worth it.
Someone give this man a medal for his dedication to not being a WiFi warrior. Seriously though, you didn't try powerline before the 100ft cable?
@@adityamanam5716 The powerlines I saw on amazon were more expensive lol.
@@lbocaj Oh damn, fair enough 😂
Hero.
Damn you're a champ, hats off. I did same thing, except I ran 6 cables through the attic, through insulation, to the laundry room where the cable model is--and hooked up every room to have ethernet (since I was doing a cable run anyway). It's invisible, and I get my network running nice and optimal. I was not going to be stuck on WiF, only by choice when im on my laptop.
For those who can’t use Ethernet because of your living situation invest in a power line adapter it makes it so you can have Ethernet anywhere in your house as long as there is an outlet
based
You have one you can suggest?
I'll always vouch for Powerline Adapters. Used one when I started netplaying until I my situation changed. They're clutch as hell.
Kattsu this is the one I use www.amazon.com/dp/B008F537KC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_btf_t1_C.RnFbFRBTXGM
Kangy *dab*
Thank you so much for posting this! This is the perfect fit for what my friend needs since he can’t move his modem and router and wanted to switch over to wired.
My modem and my PS4 and PC are in different rooms but anytime I’m hopping online I run my long ass cat5 across the house lol.
good man
Same here, got a cat6 tho. Doesnt make much of a difference compared to cat5.
50ft goes a long way for stable connection.
respect
What you need is called a "Powerline Network Adapter" also known as "Powerline Ethernet" they are better plugged directly to the Powerline instead of on a "multi-socket/power-strip".
THANK YOU.
Everyone screaming about rollback while playing on cheap Wi-Fi.
Everyone who plays fighting games online should see this video.
WiFi Warriors put on notice.
Your pfp works perfectly for wifi warrior's argument. You like playing with 4f of delay? FUCK NO. We stay playing on 18frames
You know what's way worse and probably even more common than bad connections due to WIFI?
Multiple person households bombarding their stock ISP routers with streaming all sorts of shit at once, the cheap chipset in there gets overloaded and can't load balance properly and then you get lag and a cable won't fix that.
It's unreasonable to expect people that buy your game to use a specific network type. Thats why developers should assume the worst and implement good rollback netcode like GGPO. But yeah wifi is really bad for fighting games.
it's reasonable because people are dumb
@@SolidFake That isn't unreasonable. Only an idiot would assume otherwise. People who just want to press buttons and do some shit will care less about variable lag than players actually trying to get better at the game.
Wifi isn't bad just for fighting games, it's bad for games, period.
@@timezero8409 Not exactly... for turn based games for example its probably fine.
It's unreasonable to expect people to live in anything bigger than a 1 bedroom apartment
this is the tekken community, which i'm sometimes embarrassed to be playing the same game "T7 online mode is so trash, bring ROLLBACK blah blah blah", then they go "oh i play on wifi" lmao....no fucking excuse to be playing on wifi
When you showed Sajams channel I DIED 😂😂😂
WiFi works fine for me.
But I do know it's a shit show for everyone else and that's why Im trying to get wired connection.
Bro you can get a 100FT ethernet cable for less than $20 on ebay
you're a disgrace to even have played on wifi in the first place smh
@@vacantseaofplanets Not every country is privileged to have good internet.
It's not that straightforward for sokw countries man...
Give us Rollback
funny you think jiyuna is a game dev and is in control of this lol
also the dev's are tending to the netcode of their games in a timely fashion *give them time and be patient*
@@M4TTYN dude it's just a joke 😑
I hope that every game that implements this "wi-fi player exposure" feature does it right, so we don't get something that starts labeling cable players as wi-fi players.
you can watch the skullgirls implementation video mikeZ posted that shows how they detect wifi, he's even updating it regularly whenever someone finds a workaround to "pretend" they're wired to truly expose them.
it's not like you can lie about your connection when a connection by definition is literally all the data being transferred. you can read all the data and parse it out, there's no hiding from reality.
@@ElseeKay The person looks for a turnaround on how to display Lan instead of wifi but can't fix their shit internet? WTF? This must some wifi cult shit
@@Nero_PR It is people who know that they can turn a vulnerability into a means to cheat and want to cheat.
Y'all, if your modem/router is super far away, look into "powerline adapters" basically if you're electrical wiring was done after the 70's you can have a wired connection anywhere in you're home with a power outlet.
Even if 100% of people were using ethernet, we still need rollback. Delay based netcode is unacceptable. It's not hard to implement.
"It's not hard to implement." You've been in charge of a multi-million selling video game that's part of a massive company before?
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI I haven't, but neither have countless indie devs living on pebbles and dimes.
@zeokenX For a good online experience, you need a good connection *and* good netcode. One or the other does not suffice and it's foolish to disregard either push.
I hear the voices of 41k leeches crying out in anger as they are left behind in their wifi wasteland
can they be left behind in a wasteland if they're the majority?
Bleack yes. Of course. It's like the rapture. All us worthy Lan cable users are swept up to paradise while the wifi warriors are left behind
@@bleack8701 absolutely, me and the 40% will be enjoying or solid connections while you guys can be happy teleporting all over each other in wifi hell 👌
It’s insane to me that people play mostly on stationary consoles and pc’s but can’t tether themselves to an Ethernet port for whatever reason. Whenever you even make a gentle recommendation to use a cable, these people get defensive like the idea of WiFi is a member of their family. Listen man, there are so many variables with internet services especially when using WiFi. Your router, your wireless card/adapter, your distance from the router, how many walls are between you and said router, and whether you have the option or enough IQ to decide between 2.4 GHZ or 5. Just swallow your pride people, it’s not expensive and it’s not that difficult man.. Or atleast just stop whining, cause most all of us have been there. You have to realize at some point it is probably your decision to have shitty internet and not the game screwing you over.
I am adamant about using lan, BUT I have found out a few reasons why, one is they paid a ton of money for a wifi router that touted for gaming and so they believe that it works for them, two they might be kids or they live in dorms or apartments that have their own wifi and no other options but using wifi, and three, they have their device to far away from the router or they don't know about switches that give you more router options
Yeah, I know why I put two ethernet wall sockets into my living room. Unfortunately, not everyone has the luxury of being able or allowed to do so.
This is something you have to understand. In many places it is not feasible to run a cable through the house because a) they're tripping hazards, b) it looks like shit, c) the landlord says "no" to putting them into the wall and d) if the player is a kid you can bet their parents won't allow it because of a) and b).
So they shouldn't be allowed to play the game they bought with their hard earned money? No, this one's on the developers to fix.
That said, games shouldn't just have the option to decline wifi players, there should be an option to never even have them suggested to you (just like players with high latency). But I'm pretty sure the devs won't do that because some games would look even more dead than they already are.
@@qwesx I agree my man, like I said, "Atleast stop whining." I hate to hear from these people that is the fault of the game or even worse my connection when they're at fault. When its a kid I can totally understand because I was in the same position myself, albeit more self aware. That being said there are still plenty of grown ass adults that cant seem to use their collective functioning braincells to understand their own faults and just seem to get enjoyment from complaining. those are the people I detest, if you honestly cant get an ethernet cable, or have it installed for whatever reason I totally get it. If you make the decision not to either out of convenience or ignorance and then be an asshole about it, then fuck you, grow up or stop playing online games.
We finna throw hands If you keep talkin' 'bout wifi like that.
@@qwesx Those two paragraphs, and the rethorical question on the second one -
🙏🙏🙏
Cable player here. I think a missed point (despite all the funny vitriol which was honestly entertaining and i can't wait for Sajam's response) are the players that given the chance would jump on lan but for logistics reasons can't. Should they drop online or should they continue to play given the fact that they really cannot get a wire through their home?
I'm 100% in favour for lan/wifi display before match and usually on discord people say that they are on wifi and sorry for the situation. WiFi is really really bad (i only play games with rollback so i can't really make the obvious comparison with delay) but i'm not not gonna play you if you ask, and well, if the match goes ok i'm 100% in into rematching.
So... my little tip for wifi players is to get a wire, if that's impossible avoid jumping on ranked/casual matches. Just hop on a server for that game, ask to play and SPECIFY you are on WiFi. And especially don't compete in tourneys, please. You can get games going with a bit of honesty.
Good luck to you all and may all the players get wired and all the games get rollback
You can also get those powerline ethernet adapters, those don't always work depending on how the house is wired but for some people it's a solution.
I live in the middle of nowhere with the highest internet speed in my area being 10 mb/s. Im screwed online no matter what I use 😭
Yeah, I'm one of those people that can't afford to setup a wire right now so I just hang out in lobbies and if someone has a problem with my connection they're allowed to leave. It's not like I'm forcing people to sit down and keep playing with me. I know people are throwing powerline adapters around as a solution, but I don't see a reason to invest in what's a temporary setup and once I've got a new setup the adapters would be 100% useless for me so it'd be wasted money for something I'd have used only for a few months
There are always going to be people who have a legit reason why they are forced to not lay a cable from their router to their console/pc. It's not 60% of all people who play fighting games. There is no way 60% of all people are stuck in a situation where they'd be kicked out of the premises if they dared to lay a cable.
Just stick to casuals if u have wifi but for the love of god dont u dare jump in a ranked games with it.
I'm staying away from playing online until i got my room set up.
Pretty close to getting the floor done, and then its the connecting all the electric stuff. Then i can maybe get out if wifi hell
Not everyone can have their PCs/consoles next to the router, and people who rented their place for a few years aren't going to flip the house upside down to get the cable where they need. But then again this was streamed from a 10sqm japanese apartment...
Most of the time for people, the router is far from their gaming setup, and drilling hills through walls or snaking a long ass cable through hallways is not a viable option. Well, people still have other options such as powerline adapters. Although, powerline adapters are still at the mercy of the age of your house, it is still a better option than playing with no Ethernet.
I do currently play on WiFi but that's pretty much cause I'm lazy and haven't wanted to run a wire through my house. Though I did get off my ass the other day and measure out how long of a cable I will need so I can run it along the edges/corners of the wall so it can avoid being in the way. Probably next week that will be one less person playing Tekken on wifi
Did you try Power line?
I've looked into it, but a bit out of my price range at the moment
@@Kirgio Ah that's fair, good luck with the cable routing!
Good luck.
Get some cable moulds to hide the wire too, very cheap and it makes it nice and tidy.
I'm glad he came around and said "Netplay is bad enough as it is" This needed to be said.
The first part made it sound like as long as you had a wire, you're good regardless of how the netcode affects stability, which is clearly not the case.
When we have the discussion of "Is Delay-based bad" it is presumed that we are coming from an honest place - i.e. the general population arguing the point has done all it reasonably can to create the best environment possible for seamless netplay. If WiFi users want to latch onto the argument, whatever - but to pretend that the only reason this view is valid is the legions of WiFi Warriors banding together for the cause is dishonest. Pretending that you can now shave those arguing for this point in half because of this statistic is even more dishonest.
This change is great, but the end goal is still Rollback Netcode at the end of the day. Let's make that perfectly clear.
Rollback+wired= great
Rollback+WiFi = bad
Delay + WiFi = 🤮
This sounds like someone who is going to use Wi-fi on Rollback.
Gurl, I put my router outside the house next to the bird feeder before logging on. Gaslighting aside, holding devs accountable for product maintenance is more important than holding dumb people accountable when there is an equal base of not dumb people (including every single pro player) who suffer for this hilarious shill of a scapegoat position.
I’ve played delay based games with both players wired and rollback games with neither player wired. Rollback is more important than connection type from my experience. Obviously everyone should try to be on wired but I think rollback is more important.
I was tired of not being able to play ranked so I finally decided to run a 50 foot ethernet cable from my room through my vents down to basement router
Beast.
Finally the lan/wi fi police Is real. Extremely appreciated. Thank you developers
I wish people weren’t downvoting the WiFi apologists I have to go all the way to the bottom to read them and TH-cam isn’t very fun to use on mobile
it's funny my japanese friend was on wifi and i asked him how long it took to download FF7R and he said around 21 hours, then i told him to buy granblue to play against him and said we're using a LAN cable this time... it took maybe 30 mins for download, he was absolutely amazed and was like "why the fuck doesn't everyone do this?!", there's your other reason
I wonder if Dragon Ball drives up the percentage of wifi users
1000% I am sure it does
Have you tried to play that game online dude
Lan cables helps with stability. it can't fix ping. I play on lan and can't play with people more than 3 states away from me in games that use delay based netcode. Rollback doesn't have this problem because of Its ability to compensate for packet loss and ping spikes.
But, let's be real, the ultimate enemy of fighting game online (at least in the us) are the ISPs. It doesn't matter how good your net code is if Comcast wants to fuck your download speed because your family dosen't want to stop watching Netflix.
Or if any ISPs even bother to offer service where you live. My cell phone hotspot is my only option in rural texas.
It's all about priorities. I know dudes that will spend $200 a week on weed & take out but won't spend $75 a month on Dope internet & a LAN cable 🤦🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️ & this is why I love your channel 👍🏿👍🏿
I was about to ask what kind of dry grass they buying for $200 a week before I read the "& take out" part 😂
@@r15835 😂😂😂😂
Lol... You compare a drug addiction to a minor luxury problem? xD
Do you even know what withdrawal symptoms are, you clown?
Fellow WiFi warrior here. I get that people don’t wanna bad connection when playing someone but some people just wanna play the game like after school or a long day. occasionally I’ll get a playable connection then it’s just downhill . I’m happy just playing in training mode practicing combos I’ll never be able to land on someone lol.
I paid full price for a game im gonna play in what way is accessible to me which is wifi. Our router is too far to run a 50ft cable throughout the house.
all my shit is cat8
i still lose to a wifi warrior whose mom wont let him run a cable through the house and his sister is streaming netflix in the other room
I literally bought a 50 ft ethernet cable to connect from upstairs to downstairs...fellas, you gotta do what you gotta do SMH
I gotta a hundred foot one to go to my basement to the third floor of my house.
That's right. Please scream about this from the rooftops. Your fine example must be spread far and wide, so that hopefully others will follow!
In case this sounds like sarcasm, please understand it IS *NOT!*
Michael McCoy I understand when I first bought rev like 4 or 5 years ago I quickly found out WiFi wasn’t gonna work so I had to do what I had to do. It useful for other games to so I’m glad I bought it.
i see you in a whole new light just for this video, you got my like and imma share this all over the place.
some of us live in blocks where the router is out of reach. To get access would involve drilling holes through walls, some landlords aren't too down with it.
Going forward all fighting games should have
1. Rollback
2. wifi/lan indicator
3. Casual/Ranked
4. Que for casual or ranked matches from practice mode
5. Detailed practice modes including online practice modes
6. Replay mode with tips like how T7 now has
someone drops one combo and suddenly becomes a network engineer.
most modern wifi routers outspeed the actual connection you have to the wider internet unless you have a very fast connection. connection jitter considered "acceptable" by most vendors is around 30ms. One frame in a 60fps game is 16.6ms, so we can presume 2f rollback should about cover acceptable jitter and 3f would completely overcome anything you couldn't RMA over
wifi gamers be playing on 2 bars because they're sharing the wifi with 20 other people in their dorm on an internet hookup that was set up in 1977 and never got a single upgrade, not because wifi is inherently slow or unreliable
Also I don't get why the FGC is all up on Ethernet over Power/"Powerline™". every sector laughed that shit out of the park with good reason, but people are saying it's better than wifi now? lil bro be using a token ring network in 2027, did D-Link sponsor a major one year or something??
Ah yes, $3 to buy a meter-long ethernet cable to go from the router downstairs snaked around to the stairs and strung through the second floor hallway into the play room where all the gaming stuff is. Because we've already wasted too much money on trash in the house for us to spend the extra money to thread it into the wall.
Time to buy a new house.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI *[circles around the house back to the lack of money, crumples into a pile and weeps]*
If the house you are living in is not super old, then a powerline adapter will prove to be useful.
For me it's not a matter of being too poor to buy the cable, but more because my current home has no means to set it up. I share my place with 2 other people and we all use WiFi. The thing is, the place has 2 floors, the router is on the first one and my room is directly above it on the second. In order to even get the cable to my room, I'd need to drill a hole into the first floor's roof, which isn't possible. Thus I am stuck with WiFi as there is no other solution for me.
Powerline adaptor
There's still a multitude of options run cables to the entire housing infrastructure without needing to drill or alter the structure. I've done it a lot of times. If you have HVAC ducts, you can run cat6 outdoor rated cables through them using fish table or fiberglass run rods. If the house is old and you have no HVAC or ducting system. You can use cable moulds to hide the appearance of a cable and run it along the walls and/or ceiling. Matching cable mould color with the walls and runners will be pretty much invisible without anyone specifically looking for them. If that isn't an option then you can also do a cable run that leads outside through a window, and once again use cable moulds/runners to hide the appearance and run it along the outsides of the house into the windows again, this is the most inconvenient option but it is something I've done personally and it's not that expensive.
Even in a new rental im in, no one wanted to see the cables run through the house so I went into the attic and fished through 6 different cat6 cables through insulation into eletrical outlets and replaced the face plates with RJ-45 terminators and hooked up the Cat6 to that. The house now has 5 rooms with ethernet connections available and all of it is invisible. It's a matter of will, and I realize most people don't care enough to--so WiFi it is. But WiFi being bad isn't just an exxageration, it's just the only way it can be designed and function. Half-duplex implies that it can only transmit one way at a time (send or receive), along with everyone being on WiFi (especially in apartment complexes) for all things internet makes it a hostile ground for WiFi devices in general.
Legend has it they're trying to watch this video on wifi
The LAN display makes me wonder how many assholes are using those WiFi Extenders lol. So it’ll say that they’re using LAN but that actually isn’t the case.
Good vid bro! I have Ethernet cable but I’m moving rn so I haven’t played online. I laughed so hard when you said “I’m gonna he fighting anybody”
Yknow it’s quite simple actually most of these games are developed in Japan where rollback isn’t necessary bc if it’s size...idk why ppl defend WiFi, I know I hated being blamed for it before I got a cable
My favourite excuse is "my router is on another floor and at the opposite side of the house, so I can't use a cable!". A ridiculous amount of people use this one and then proceed to hop online and play on that weak-ass signal from Uranus.
EXACTLY! As i said already, if that TRULY is the case, then you DEFINITELY should NOT be using a wifi "connection".
Yea and when you tell them that there are 25ft plus cords that they can run through the house. they always use the excuse well i dont want to run all that through my house. Well then dont play online simple.
Welp, in my situation I can't fucking play with LAN because my house is kinda big and my room is kinda far away from the router, and I fucking won't put my console in the living room cause my bedroom is the place I can be on almost full privacy and that's how I want to play my games
Same man, UK house layouts are so bad that the router plug are either in the kitchen or somewhere in the corridor, so how the hell am I supposed to wire my connection? Drilling walls from kitchen to my bedroom is unpractical at best, on top of that since I'm renting, I'm not even allowed to modify my house...
Tldr: I'll never play fighting games kekw
I too was an unsubscribed AnimeIlluminati no cord heathen, but one day I found out about POWERLINE ADAPTERS and I was able to at least feel like I'm not some old man living with my parents. It will change your life.
Damn I need a new one, it's been 4 years 🤔
"if you would legitimately want to run a cable but there's stuff blocking you from doing it, i totally understand. that being said, i'm allowed to call you a wifi-playing bitch" -sajam
He's gotta tell that to 41,000 of his TH-cam subscribers.
C’mon sing it with me “Plug it in, Plug it in”!!
Once you go wired, you'll never go back lmao
Bruh. Back when MKX came out and had delay netcode, my friend wanted to learn the game, so I was teaching him. We played every other day for 2-3 hours. It took me months to get him to go to the fucking store and get fucking a cable. And then sometimes he was like "I don't feel like plugging it in, I'm feeling lazy today, let's just play on WiFi, it works fine". Dude, shitting on some rando is one thing. But playing a fighting game with your bro on while on Discord and sufferring severe lag every 30 seconds really taught me Buddhist monk type of self-control.
Some people just don't understand 😭
people should not be shocked by the 60% stat. i can absolutely fucking guarantee many of the subscribers of this channel are on wifi too lmao they just won't admit it. i mean i don't have an ethernet setup rn (working on it) but i don't play fgs online at all
Not my subscribers.
wi-fi warriors are like cockroaches; if you see one there's a guaranteed 40 more that are close by.
I was gonna bitch about my Living situaition and blah blah blah but I took one glance at the comment section and legit had no idea powerline adapters were a thing
Thanks chat!
As someone who uses powerline adaptors, I _promise_ you it's life changing lol
I see Lan connection as showing up in a pressed suit ready for the meeting, and wifi as showing up in wrinkled casual wear.
If my room had easy access to an Ethernet port I'd be RIGHT on that
YES this is Improvement! I quit talking about netcode. Most ppl that lag, when I ask them, THEY don't even know what their internet speed IS... why would I even waste time explaining them wht a Lan cable is.
This is what I can appreciate. As a man in my late 30s, I can always like when a Veteran within similar age range do diligence and slap these kids up a bit with the facts of life. Today's is accountability.
This seems to go on with everything nowadays. Its everything's fault but theirs. Those Japanese developers are trying really hard to not shit on Americans infrastructure and connections.
A proud lan warrior subed here, and when im on the switch, I dont take that shit online, I play dpad joycon arcade mode because I have respect.
If you use Wi-Fi to play any console/PC game, your existence makes other people's experience agony. Use an Ethernet cable!
I have 2 options
1. drill a hole through a brick wall that's 25cm thick and get yelled at
2. buy a 20m cable that will run through multiple rooms that people will trip on
I've got plans on how to fix the situation, but for now they're on hold. Until then I'm just chilling in lobbies. If someone has a problem with my connection they're free to get up, leave and not run the rematch.
Bonus option is a powerline adapter, but I don't want to invest in something that I'll only use for a couple of months and even then there are scenarios where they might not work. I've done my research and as far as I can tell they're really inconsistent. It depends on quality of the wire, noise in the line, interference from other electrical appliances and wether or not they're on the same circuit breaker. House I live in is old so I'm not very confident in the wire quality. Plus, electricity cables aren't made to carry data. I'm currently looking into MoCA, but who knows how that will turn out. At least with MoCA you're using a cable meant for data transfer (coax cable)
I only ask people to show some understanding because I see a lot of elitism about this topic. If the connection is bad you can always walk away. Being mean to people isn't going to help the community. Just hope your game gets the indicators so you can establish that from the start and avoid the uncertainty
I just wish rollback was the norm so people being on wifi would matter a lot less
Even with rollback, WiFi is bad. You haven't even tried a powerline adaptor, assuming it'd be bad. Just buy one, try it out and return it if it doesn't work.
All of this. I guess the majority of the fgc love in really small houses. There's no way I'm gonna run a Ethernet cable from one room to the other. What type of tacky b.s. is that? Now when I build a house I'll have a dedicated network room where the console will be but until then WiFi is good enough.
@@adityamanam5716 house was made in the 70s man. I'm not holding my breath over the quality of the wires. And yeah, rollback wouldn't solve the problem, but it'd lessen it because it could smooth things out a bit
I've drilled all the walls in my house in order to get a cable through and have a stable connection
@@AndrewBiggam they werent drilled before, I just used a longer cable and taped it onto the walls, you can even use cable extenders. And I used current adapters before that. There are workarounds
A true man of culture, respect
Excellent.
I play on cable. But I do have some friends that play on wifi because they don't have the set up to run wired. Situations with roommates or similar, where the router is in one room and their playing in another room. They don't want to run a cable all through the house. Kinda sucks sometimes but some of them I can get a good lag free ( or close ) match. And some I can't. I don't think there's a easy world wide solution.
I wish i could connect on LAN but where i live in this house i physically am incapable of doing so. I apologise for everyone
i wanna get an ethernet cable and connect it to my pc but my router is apparently in the best place for my house, and my room is 2 rooms away from the router so i dont really know what im supposed to do. if i move the router to my room my routers connection might take a hit to everyone in the household so im at a loss. what should i do
Im not surprised by this at all, and actually I am shocked people are surprised and that its actually so high for ethernet use. Ethernet is "old". Its "wired" and "wires are going away". Wifi feels more modern and there is a perception with the average person that wifi is plenty fast enough in this day and age. Ethernet ports left laptops ages ago and I haven't used an ethernet port myself for probably 10 years and I know people who have never in their life used ethernet and barely even know what it is. Wifi and internet are pretty much even synonymous. Obviously with a console its pretty simple, the thing never moves so just plug the damn cable in, but im not even sure if my apartment has an ethernet cable. Never checked, never bothered. So the fact that almost half of people actually do plug it in is quite good.
Not just with rank but they should also give users the ability to control which connection type people prefer to join in lobbies along with showing ping.
This is what Playstation plus and Xbox live should've done in the first place. Charge wifi players $40 a year to play online.
Have you ever used powerline adapter technology?
When I lived in my parents’ basement, I couldn’t easily string an Ethernet cable. I bought a $30 one off amazon and it greatly enhanced my experience and growth.
Now I share bandwidth with a woman that streams HD on two devices. And I definitely use a LAN cable now.
But yeah, that was my experience- would like to hear your thoughts on it someday.
Used to be a Wi-Fi Scrub between 2012 ~ 2016 due to being tied to a laptop playing SF4 over there, ever since SF5, I put together a regular desktop, LAN cable obviously and never went back.
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Even SFV had a detector of wifi connection but that's during the VS screen when you already accept the match...
I would like an option in the settings where it auto-declines Wi-Fi players.
Everyone who watched this and is thinking I wish, but I can't run a cable through my rentals walls or something similar look up powerline ethernet adapters. TP-link makes a bunch of solid ones. I use a pair of TP-link AV600s myself. Powerline ethernet adapters solve this you plug one into a wall outlet near your router and the other near your PC or Console and you have ethernet. No holes in your wall, no routing, no tripping on cables running down your stairs. The only thing to look out for is you can't put them on the same circuit as a large appliance say your AC, washer, dryer, that kind of thing. Which are almost always on their own circuits, but sometimes the outlets right next to them are on the same breaker. But it works in any other combination of outlets.
I didn't need Harada to tell me most DBFZ players are degenerates
My only problem is in my current living area with my family it is literally impossible at the moment for me to have a wired connection because the router is hooked up from like 3 rooms away and my dogs will chew anything they see. They see Lan cable hooked up, they go "oh look C H E W T O Y". I have a nice lan cable and I've been wanting to switch to wired for a long ass time. The moment I move into a new apartment I'm making a wired setup ASAP.
As someone thats been forced to play wifi I'm all for these updates of notifying people they're up against a wifi player because I know how much it can fuckin suck ALOT.
I want to play with a wired connection but the router is in the living room and I live with my parents, so I'm not gonna play there while they are napping. When I move out I'll make sure to set the router in the play room.
It might take more than a decade for at least 70% of the player base to use a wired connection I think. We are American, so the majority will take the easy and cheaper option when it comes to play. In addition to this, the sense for rollback just isn’t there for the majority of the FGC especially for anime fighter players. Also most games that have rollback such as Skullgirls, Battle of the Grid, as well as most current fighting games made in America are currently not being streamed as much in comparison to of the major fighting games as of now that has Japan delay based. The exception is Mortal Kombat 11, but even that has not been showing up often due to a public distaste in Kombat League and a demand for wifi-filter which may implies that NRS support wifi as it could represent a majority user base. This overall lack of movement is similar to mob mentality that the majority and game developers in Japan will only see it as that unless something major would push them otherwise in future projects.
Sadly for a few percentage of them, wired is not an option for all people in America either by price and/or location.
One such I experienced is that connecting a cable for modem to console directly isn’t the best option since it causes minor disconnections at fixed hours. I had it fixed using a wireless router with additional cables, hook the router to modem, then from the router to the longest cable I had to another room where the console is. It’s still classified as wired…so long nobody touch it and everyone else in the household can use wireless separately I think. Overall this cost around $430 for me. Also, I can understand that some people have no access to a wired connection especially in the heavy rural areas of America. They are still forced to use America Online for what I heard is ten dollars per month. Though they could move, they most likely have a valuable job there that isn’t worth moving out.
Soo yeah, it not going to change anytime soon unless a game developer releases a popular triple A game that only plays online wired…but that isn’t going to happen soon or like ever.
This games should honestly only match WiFi players with WiFi players.
I wanna play wired but I live in my parents house so I can't use the room with the router and I'd have to have a wire thay goes across our front hall, I can't wait to move out and be able to use wired
Challenge your dad to a FT5 and the winner gets to use the router room.
ask you're parents if you can get a big cable and work it around the walls or through the walls for you to play, tell them you'll run errands and do jobs or whatever and see what they say, all you can do is ask
When I was younger (14-15), my mom didn't like the idea of cat5 cables snaking around. But I told her if you notice it after we're done, we'll pay you (monthly) to ignore it. She agreed and after we were done she didn't even notice the cable runs and the entire apartment had Ethernet connections with a solid networking switch.
@@kimosavage7478 as appealing as the idea is, I'm not going to be living here for much longer so the cost of doing it vs the time I'll get use out of it isn't all that worth it. For now I'll just stick with being a sajam sub and say "it works for me"
Lol the Sajam beef continues!
What happened between those two?
@@turtlecake thanks for answering. I'd still like to hear the whole story.
The beef isn’t real jiyuna just likes to clown on Sajam sometimes they cool
@@neogatsu9567 it's not real at all, lol (personally, I think Jiyuna does this as a lowkey shoutout to Sajam, and vice-versa). Besides, Sajam also calls out wifi warriors.
I think its hilarious because they have the exact same voice
What if you cant get ethernet cause your router is all the way across your house and you only have bad wifi because theres only one functional wifi choice in your area that has shit bandwith but everyone in your area is on it and the wifi company says there going to upgrade it but they never do so you cant play games only unless you get lucky and you like fighting games a lot
Its the devs job to make a good game with good netcode its the players choice to spend extra money and setup lan its not mandatory and makes lan players super elitist and means wifi players dont get to play and the game dies