I myself am obese. I did it to myself, I didn't move around enough to counter my food intake. No one else did this to me, I did it. I am trying to fix myself, but it is a slow process. But it was never anyone else's fault, it isn't genetic, it isn't a sickness. For me it's a mental health thing, never caring enough about myself and finding comfort/reward in a part of my life I could control.
OK. If a lack of good mental *health* was the cause then it was, by definition, a sickness. By your own admission, you were mentally ill. And before anyone says,”Oh, that’s not _real_ mental illness”, it’s that kind of attitude that has men offing themselves in record numbers. I won’t wish you luck coz luck has sweet fuck all to do with it; it’s all hard work. I’d just advise you not to hand wave off the root cause, as you’ve just done, and put twice as much effort into improving your mental health as you do into improving your physical health. Otherwise you’re facing a negative feedback loop where you watch all your hard work go down the drain, feel twice the shame for it & try to quell that using the same method you did before, rinse & repeat. In the meantime, don’t let any c**t make you feel less than coz you made a mistake.
Admitting you have a problem is the first step, and you're already there. That's not nothing. I may not be obese, but I understand not caring enough about myself to get back to being a healthier person. That sense of apathy, and even outright self-loathing, fed my addictions and my self-destruction for far too long, which very nearly cost me everything (including my life itself). I'm okay now, after years of struggle and intense internal hatred, and I don't even recognize the person I used to be. All I can say is hang in there, take it one day at a time, and I sincerely hope you find things you can appreciate about yourself, because that alone goes a long way towards making the changes necessary to get life back on track.
Since you're already on TH-cam, I gotta plug Dr. Berg's channel. His plan (healthy keto, intermittent fasting, etc.) got me down 80 lbs in one year, and I'm healthy for the first time since college. Just a tip.
I agree. If a character has a bunch of scars, you're not gonna try and cast based on someone who fits the appearance for ✨️inclusivity✨️. That's what makeup and sfx are for. It's called acting, let these people do their damn job without making it all about you 🙄
@@legitlyspelunking Oh I mean, they're right, we definitely should have casted a morbidly obese person that's in terminal state, I bet they would be more than capable to focus on the job while they're dying to breathe and move. "But wait wouldn't we need to hire actors to represent the thin part?" Nah there's too many thin people anyway, we can edit that with CG.
Actually proud of Fraser and co. for not using the film as a means to say "healthy at any size." As a fat dude on his (very long) weight loss journey, it's good to see some actual reality for this type of weight gain.
The battle for fitness & good health is real and I am glad more & more people wake up to it. ° Avoid sugar as much as possible ° Alkaline baths, daily exercises and maybe even skip out on 3 meals a day and just make morning & evening, if you wanna be hardcore May the gods be with you. 💪🙏📿
Since you're already on TH-cam, I gotta plug Dr. Berg's channel. His plan (healthy keto, intermittent fasting, etc.) got me down 80 lbs in one year, and I'm healthy for the first time since college. Just a tip.
You got this, friend! In order to avoid feeling overwhelmed, break large goals into smaller ones, and aim to make better habits by making a couple major changes at a time every two or three weeks.
Good tidings man. I'm only a bit chubby and it really is a journey, but i can at least manage to hold my current weight by doing nearly any of my errands on foot and cooking by myself.
It’s so much harder to lose and so much easier to slide further the older you get too, hope it’s going well it’s a real struggle to make time and find the motivation to get in proper shape when you’re big
I'm disgusted and appalled that John Hurt, a non elephantiasis actor, played the elephant man. Not to mention the elephantiasis phobia that the movie is riven by.
Even worse: I heard rumors that the avengers actors aren´t real super heroes. They took that roles away from people with real super powers. That´s bigotry!
I was never that fat, but I was my fattest about a year ago. I was depressed and hated myself. I picked up weights and started binge lifting back in the summer and feel the best I've felt in years. Being fat is painful and this film shows it
100% I hit 300 and felt defeated, but I had a moment of clarity of a future I want to work towards. It gets easier all the time, but watching The Whale it was existential horror to see a possible future where one doesn’t reign in their compulsive eating. Every aspect of this film was earth shatteringly painful and beautiful
When I got in great shape I found myself looking back on the old me that didnt have to endure grueling painful workouts (if you arent working out like a pussy) had more free time and could eat whatever I wanted until I was full. Honestly it takes so much time, sacrifice and pain to be so fit I almost think the fat guy is happier. It isnt making you more healthy either unless you are really obese, you are constantly tearing muscle fibers and putting your body into a recovery state that will shorten cellular lifespans. It's not like we need the muscle to be fighting in some war. Maybe it helps with girls but rest assured there are a thousand dudes on tinder that have been working out every day since they were 14 and the girls are used to seeing thor and other steroid bros in movies. So unless you put on some serious muscle they wont even think you are in that good a shape.
I think one of the most worrying things about the Whale was how the internet took the conversation about the film to "fatphobics vs 'body positive' people" when in reality is a tragic tale about male depression, male feelings and how many men are desperate to have some kind of genuine conection to an emotional, intelectual or psychological level (which caused all of this in the first place) once again proving how men feelings or men in general don't matter therefore creating this vicious cycle of certain groups claming men "are toxic", "don't care about feelings", "won't share themselves", etc
@@EvilDoresh Sad to see the utter triumph of Marxist dialectics gone insane in this way. Every issue seems to develop into a formula of: "this issue divides people to either group x or y, never something in-between or somewhat of both, where x is the oppressor and y is the oppressed, but now time has come to right the wrong by putting the x down." Alongside the Internet allowing one to trash talk other people without fear of getting beaten, this is one of the principal reasons the World is as toxic as it is today. Thanks, Karl.
As an overweight person I will say the following. Being overweight is basically an addiction, and should be viewed as such. Don't celebrate it, don't consider it a good thing, and don't expect people to be able to easily solve it on their own. Celebrate and reward those who achieve it, and find ways to encourage people who are trying. That is the best you can do. Definitely don't try to justify it, and don't support the concept of victimhood. (TLDR: Don't make fun a fat person, but understand it isn't entirely a matter of willpower)
Just like "if you don't think women are completely superior to men, you're a misogynist." Or "if you don't think people of color and their cultures are infinitely superior to white people and their cultures, you're a racist."
Being cruel to people who struggle with addiction is downright evil. At the same time, you can't coddle someone who is over-eating, taking meth, or smoking - you have to be able to be honest about these things.
You might laugh at this... Often, on social media, I post these six words: "Discipline. Consistency. Deadlines. Creativity. Reflection. Repeat." I'm CONSTANTLY trolled, reported, blocked, and banned for doing so. People complain that I'm "targeting" and "triggering" everyone. 😂🤣😂 Reflection is uncommon in a CGPT-happy world. 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
The character had a severe eating disorder and addiction. I've been through it, albeit the opposite kind, which requires way more discipline and 'accountability than anyone should ever have. These are diseases. You should exercise your empathy muscles a bit more.
@@siracastori01and I could’ve definitely qualified as having an eating disorder. I literally used to rip open a pack of Perdue chicken nugget dinosaurs and eat the whole thing without even heating them up first. Each one of those packs was like 2,400 calories. And that was one meal. An “eating disorder” is the byproduct of something else. You just don’t have an eating disorder from birth. You can man up and face what’s troubling you and deal with it or wallow in your misery.
@@olivercrespo2329 I know this very well, it's a disease *and* a symptom at the same time, but once it gets bad enough most people can't just up and help themselves, discipline alone is a meaningless word, at least as a starting point. I was lucky enough to have a family who sent my 65 pounds arse to an ED clinic, which assisted me physically and psychologically, and then supported me emotionally and got me to the best psychoanalyst in the city, who helped me understand and work through the roots of my illness. If the only support I had was an enabler with whom I shared my biggest trauma and grief and my family had shunned me, I'd be dead now. I don't know what your level of over eating or what your diagnosis was, and I hope you recovered from that situation the best way possible, but Charlie's was as severe as the get and his physical, psychological and social situation made it impossible he could just 'help himself through discipline', that was part of his tragedy.
As a former morbidly obese dude the best advice I can give to somebody struggling with addiction is this: stop crying your heart out. You are not trash, even if someone really important made you feel that way. The brutal truth is that at the end of the day the only one who can help you is that weirdo in the mirror you see every day. Be good to that person and treat them with respect. Here's a quote from Steven Tyler's autobiography, speaking to his daughter after realizing she was a cutter: _“A lot of your problems have my name on them, but most of the solutions will have your name on them.”_
@@mkultraification Must be a very sad existence only living to be outraged and constantly looking for things to be outraged over. Like JC dude, I can't even imagine hating myself so much as to choose that kind of lifestyle. Is finding an actually rewarding hobby so difficult for these people?
In the movie he was using food as a reaction to stress. there is a scene where he reaches for candy bars in a drawer and I think eats one and goes for more but gets distracted by birds eating apple bits on the plate outside and then puts the bars back. that scene alone was brilliant. the idea that he does attempt to find other ways to deal with stress[since he puts out the apple bits each day until the plate breaks] helps prevent this from being too shallow.
Attaching the word "phobia" to anything that you have a different opinion of doesn't mean that you fear it, it just means your can see through their bullshit!!!
I've recently started doing exactly what Drinker says at 9:46. Story time, I sort of let myself go after the Navy, and on my birthday, decided that I needed to start trying to lose weight. I don't find nearly enough time to work out as much as I would like, and while I'll still eat mostly the same sorts of foods, I've cut back drastically on potion sizes, fast foods, snacks, and completely cut out sodas and coffee. Since doing just this, I've lost 50 pounds in about 4-5 months, and am below 200 pounds for the first time in almost 5 years (for me, a healthy weight is around 180 pounds with muscle). Still got more to go, and as I start working out more, I'll probably put some weight on as muscle, not fat, but progress is progress. I've also been feeling great, and even had to start getting smaller belts, since my old belts smallest sizes were too large for me anymore, and my pants all fall off now if I'm not wearing a belt (not sure of waist size now, but they were 38" pants, and pretty tight, and now, have about 3-4 inches of excess around me when I wear them). My dad even made a mention recently about how he's jealous of my willpower to just limit myself that much, and how much progress I've already made, and has even started trying to do it some himself.
As somebody who's currently on a caffeïne detox himself, I am curious as to why you've cut out coffee for weightloss, since caffeïne helps to burn fat and black coffee has virtually no calories.
@@DutchThriceman Mostly because of the caffeine. It's never quite sat well in my stomach (large amounts of caffeine would always cause some upset, even if I felt like I needed it to stay awake), and I would always have really bad crashes halfway through the day if I wasn't constantly consuming something with caffeine. I also just never quite enjoyed the taste of coffee, but always felt like I needed it to stay awake. Since cutting all that off as well, I no longer have those crashes, and find myself with just overall more energy across the whole day, and not struggling to stay awake at all anymore. Hell, I no longer even feel the need to take naps anymore to make it all the way through the day. I'm mainly focused on losing weight currently, as that was the most notable issue for me, but improving general overall health is the ultimate end goal, not just losing weight. If I can do multiple things at the same time, why not, you know? It's gotten so much better now as well that I no longer feel even the slightest addictive urge to have any soda or coffee.
My buddy is going through the “it’s not my fault” phase with his obese wife (5’4” 260lbs) and she’s following the usual script: greatly underestimating what she’s shoving in her face (including simply not counting at all whole categories of food/drinks/snacks), overestimating her level of activity (partly by relying on her tracker to be accurate and partly by somehow not having the sense to question if she’s really burning ultramarathoner calories with a couch potato routine). She’s determined that it’s genetic because her whole overeating, non-exercising family are all as big as she is, so there’s nothing she can do about it. No attempt to see if there’s an underlying condition needing a qualified diagnosis, no serious effort to track or control the relevant variables; it’s simply beyond her control as far as she’s concerned. 🤷♂️
Every human lives and dies by what they do or do not understand. Unfortunately, some will never challenge themselves in any way, shape, nor form. And why? Simple... IT'S TOO DAEMN *HARD*. The majority of humanity is arrogant, stubborn, entitled, pretentious, and presumptuous. Instead of actually *educating* themselves about a topic, their immediate opinions take precedence. Incorrect ones, usually. But once they HOLD those opinions... there's no going back. Pride prevents people from EVER daring to admit that they were incorrect for yeeeaaarrrs. 😂🤣😂 Their pathetic, tiny egos simply cannot afford it. 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
That lady needs to see a doctor. If it’s not a metabolic disorder, it might be depression. Sorry to hear that her struggles with food are affecting your marriage like this.
There are thousands of people like this, and they have this "group mentality" where they reinforce each other's bad habits. If one person cannot bring themselves to break the cycle, they go out of their way to convince everyone else to be like them. Misery loves company.
People get confused about what a genetic component is. Yes there's genetics at play with weight gain, I know people who eat loads of junk and don't gain weight, HOWEVER, your behavior can offset your genetics a LOT. I have a huge tendency to gain weight, it's a lot of work for me just to be only five to ten pounds overweight, but the MAX I ever go to is twenty over (usually during some stressful life event) and I usually shake it back off. It's a lot of work, I don't eat any sugar, I don't eat refined carbs, I walk two miles minimum almost daily (unless there's an extenuating circumstance). Yes, it sucks I have to work harder than some, but just because I was born with a bad metabolism and a tendency to overeat when stressed doesn't mean I can just go, "oh there's nothing I can do, woe is me." Honestly this is why I hate the new "skinny privilege." I work hard every day not to be obese (which is what I'd be if I ate and indulged how I want to). It's not a privilege for me to be a decent weight, it's hard work and I earned it so screw off with your skinny privilege and fatphobia bs. I hope your friends' wife sorts out her issues, unfortunately society is pushing the message that weight cannot be controlled very hard, especially onto women, and that's probably what's causing her to believe it's not something she can work on or improve.
Brendan Fraser and Ke Huy Quan earned their awards and both of their speeches were inspiring. WELL DESERVED!!!! Being fat is not an identity for it is a condition and it is not a good one.
My neighbor had the same experience. He basically committed a passive form of suicide by sitting in his apartment all day. Eating, drinking, smoking. No friends. Estranged family. He had a heart attack and was found rotting in his disgusting apartment. Very sad. He was a good guy.
It actually is really hard to stay thin for some people, as eating can be such an instinctual drive, so even those without any psychological problems can be overweight. However, it's not something that's altogether out of your control. There are steps you can take to get it under control, like working with your family doctor. The very idea of "thin privilege" is quite ridiculous.
For most, it's as simple as: eat more protein, drink only water, don't buy crap so it's not available to eat. They aren't getting obese on bananas or beef, let alone eggs and kale.
I agree. We need to have sympathy for overweight people, but also understand it's not healthy and something that can be fixed with proper treatment. I also hate thin privilege, I work really hard to be a proper weight so it feels like a slap in the face to be told I'm privileged, when I'm naturally predisposed to weight gain.
No, being fat should never be celebrated, but most people who say things like your statement are just judgemental dickheads who desperately want to feel superior to others. There's already FAR too many judgemental, angry, and scared dickheads in the United States trying to dehumanize others. Focus on yourself and being a good role model for a healthy lifestyle, and leave it at that.
Although modern culture has an unhealthy focus on taking “fitness” to an extreme and torturing yourself down to extremely low body fat… obesity is way more likely to kill you. If someone is getting too lean, they can recover fairly quickly by switching to a healthy diet. But if someone is 800 lbs, losing enough weight in time to save your life might be impossible. A little body fat only matters aesthetically. But THAT much is ruinous and deadly.
I work in behavioral health with a lot of exposure to eating disorders. The Whale did a great job showing how damaging eating disorders, binge eating disorder in this case, can be. I hope some people have watched this movie and gotten themself or a loved one help
As an obese person I wholeheartedly agree. We are privileged. Fat people are accommodated to a startling degree. There are pants that go up to 60 in, shirt sizes up to 6x. We have no limits on what we eat, we have wheelchairs and scooters provided for us at box stores when we can't walk three feet with having a coronary. We use the same methods as a disabled person. Difference is, we did it to ourselves. I wake up in the morning and I am not happy with what I see in the mirror. I am not pleased with being out of breath going up a flight of stairs, I am not chuffed to search through the clothing aisle for stretch jeans just so I can say I still wear 42s. Being fat is a disease of our own creation and the more we condemn it the more motivation there is to change. Screw "fat privilege" , I want that "thin privilege" where I'm not going to die of heart disease.
I'm morbidly obese myself. I did this. I blame nobody. There's nothing positive, happy or healthy about it. It's nothing but misery and health issues abroad going forward if you don't change. I'm at a stage where I've had enough and even lost 30 pounds. People need to grow the hell up and start taking responsibility for themselves.
I'm a bit overweight, for reasons that flow through eating my feelings away and finding way too much comfort in eating food. You know that endorphin kick you get? That slight sigh and a smile and suddenly it feels like you've got in a bath that's just the right temperature? Mine was like that. That ALL being said - none of my problems with food are anyone else's fault. Telling people it's their fault I've eaten more is passing the buck and I genuinely think it's an attempt at mitigation, as if you've not just indulged too much and don't have the capacity to recognise it. Or won't recognise it. My issues are mine and not the problem of anyone else nor is it something I should get privilege for. I'm working on myself now but I'm glad I had a physio who told me my weight is bad and it's causing me issues - get a grip. 😅
I have the same problems, really. Rather chubby and overweight, but not morbidly obese. Not a big fan of exersize, not really doing a lot of activity. I know it's unhealthy and i should watch my intake, but i love cooking my own meals at the same time. Candy and chocolate are my big pitfalls, junk food much less so. And there are few things more satisfying in life than a home cooked meal you did all on your own.
Nah there is an issue with processed food. Ever gone to Dominos and find yourself hungry after eating too many slices? They put addictive chemicals inside it, and preservatives and make our food so carb heavy compared to any time in history. If you’re poorer and can’t afford fresh meat and veg, you can’t really be blamed fully for gaining weight, it’s just how the food is.
I was a dude who was one sandwich away from fat. For the last 4 weeks, I have been constantly exercising, running, lifting weights and doing ab crunches. I now feel happier, more mobile and I've trimmed down a lot. I feel like a better man.
If someone is truly struggling with their weight, one point that I have some sympathy with is the fact that food is one of the only elements a person can't go without. Unlike someone addicted to/struggles with drugs or alcohol, it's possible to eliminate those things from their life, a person must eat. You are constantly partaking in the subject of your obsession. I have little to no tolerance for "Fat Acceptance" charlatans.
Yeah, that does make it harder. I've heard it described best on a podcast, where they said (and I'm paraphrasing): Telling someone who suffers from food addiction to just limit their intake, is like telling someone with a gambling addiction: "here's this slot machine. You're going to play it three times a day, but only for a little while".
Hearing other fat people blame literally everything but themselves is just a cope bigger than their fat arses! Its ULTRA cringe. Im just over 300 pounds and totally agree with all of this, Im unhappy with myself and im working on it. Drinker is right, im not buying bigger jeans im gonna get back into my old ones! Its my fault i got this way and im the only one who can sort it!
You know I didn’t know how I felt about Drinker at first, but I’ve come to love him. He’s a lot more nuanced then I originally thought. I found his “Woke” video very interesting.
You should totally check out his “why we need heroes” video. Incredible and powerful message that shows how much he cares about the entertainment today
Drinker has his perspective (a well reasoned one) and knows what he likes and values, and he isn't apologetic about it. People often dislike that nowadays, I think, because there's the assumption that someone with those qualities must, by definition, be closed minded. It's part of the general attitude of "this thing can be harmful in some contexts, so we need to suppress or avoid it so that never happens", ignoring all the positive contexts. That and a fair helping of projection -- people who themselves couldn't be trusted with certain qualities assuming the problem *is* those qualities; the cruel and petty trying to remove any and all potential offence because they themselves can't resist using every little thing offensively, etc. The would-be tyrant hating strength because *they* would use it tyrannically. Sort of like (to use an appropriate analogy!) an alcoholic trying to ban alcohol. The Drinker may role-play as an alcoholic for entertainment purposes, but he's actually someone who can hold his liquor quite responsibly, if you get the drift. My perspectives differ from his in some significant ways (and in some ways they align quite significantly too); part of why I respect him is that this doesn't matter, he's the sort of person who'd hear me out, whom I could discuss freely with -- and he wouldn't pull any punches either. Just free, honest communication, no dumb dominance games.
@@matthewcollins4773 When I first started watching him I already put him in a box just by hearing him say “The Message”. I was kinda like oh this guys some masculine, super right leaning, hates everything that isn’t a straight male or whatever(you get what I’m saying), but then as I continued to watch his videos and I was like ehh he has a few good take but then I eventually got to the “What Is Woke?” Video and his thoughts and opinions, they were just surprisingly very nuanced and I just thought this guy is onto something. He’s intelligent and just really cares about storytelling and I respect that a lot.
Yeah the mentality of why didn't you get a dangerously overweight actor to portray the role ? was definitely face slapping, look being over weight is not something i think people want, it is dangerous and while you can live happily for a while it does come back to bite at some point
Well it's also fucking dumb because those people don't seem to realize the whole point of an actor is to portray a character that likely is nothing like them. Should we get actual mob bosses to play godfathers? Actual murderers to play slashers? George Takai was upset, and rightfully so when the jokes raping Star Trek made the new Sulu gay, because Takai was- he put it brilliantly, the following is not verbatim of course, but essentially: "I did not play a gay man, as an actor I am expected to play people who are not like me- that is what it means to be an actor. Sulu was straight, and I was happy and more than capable to play him as straight, regardless of my own sexuality- for them to change Sulu is like saying I can't play a straight man, as if I'm incapable."
This issue boils my piss no end. Was seated on a flight next to a man who was easily 400 lbs. He was sweaty, he stank and his back fat literally forced me off my seat back. I spent 4 hours leaning away from him and left the flight exhausted and with horrible back pain. But if you say anything to his face you are "fat phobic" and if you leave to go say something to the flight crew, you are not only "fat phobic" but also a coward. These people should have to buy 2 seats or stay off of planes.
I've always had a terrible relationship with food and have struggled with weight for most of my life. This film hit deep, deep cords perfectly. It's been constantly on my mind since I watched it a week ago. Such a good movie and the performances were phenomenal. I think it's the type of movie that is very much down to interpretation, in the best possible way.
The biggest problem is when people attempt to take a step in the right direction, they can't or refuse to understand that improving health is a long-term process. They ask what the secret to losing weight is , expecting a simple instruction which will let them lose hundreds of pounds per month, and when you start explaining that it is more difficult then that they just close themselves off. I've lost ~50lbs over a 7 month period, before taking a month and a half maintenance phase before starting my new weight-loss phase. It's difficult and takes a long time, but it's short-term suffering for long-term massive benefits.
I am one of those fat people who does have a genetic reason behind why it is hard for me to lose the weight I have packed on my body. But I still did this to me and I can't pin the blame on my genes. I learned in high school that weight loss would be harder for me. I didn't use that information to make better food choices and I continued eating crap for years. Now, I am 5'5" and 306 lbs. At my heaviest, I was 350. I did that. I get so pissed at these "healthy at any size" people who would probably give me shit for wanting to lose the weight. Forgive me for wanting to do what I can now to make up for my mistakes and live healthier. Sheesh! I appreciated Brendan's portrayal so much because I did see myself - the person I was before I decided not to be that way anymore. I truly believe that those who are angry about this film and parrot that "healthy at any size" mentality are ashamed for letting themselves get to where they are and they don't want to take responsibility for their health. So, they lash out at anyone or anything that makes them look at themselves honestly.
In my experience is the other way around. Yes they are brutal, they shock you and make you stand still but they are extremely honest and tell you things that disturbed others but other people never dared to tell you.
Really? I've had the exact opposite experience. I, and many others, are lied to every day. Having the one friend or coworker who don't give a damn and tells it like it is, it's extremely important.
The real difficulty is taking every individual as an individual. It's much easier to lump everyone in one group or another as part of pattern recognition. Perfectly natural, utterly flawed, completely understandable.
I'm brutally honest. I focus on the honest part first, but speaking the truth requires more brutality towards yourself than towards others because without self honesty you can not be honest towards others for your own self delusions will color your perceptions of everything else. Yes I am interested in the brutal part of brutal honesty, I just stick with the truth as bluntly as possible because it makes life easier than remembering all the stupid lies told to others to protect their feelings, or to make myself feel superior. I do choose to use tact with my honesty, but nothing that will change the meaning of what I am saying, which makes it quite brutal usually.
I love Brendan Fraser, always have. Always seemed like a really decent humble guy and he got totally screwed over by the cesspool of Hollywood because he wouldn’t sleep with a pervert producer. Long overdue restoration for him.
I'm in this weird position where I have no desire to watch this movie; I see enough things in my day that I don't want to see but can't avoid it, I don't want to do it in my down time. On the other hand I'm thrilled for Frasier. I think there's a LOT of people who are in a bad place that don't deserve it, people who in spite of doing the right things, for one reason or another were just dealt a bad hand. Frasier definitely is in that category, at least professionally, and it's good to see him moving in the right direction. I can think of a few people off the top of my head who's own downward trajectory mirrors his in every way, sans the specifics: bad marriages, getting on the wrong side of someone with a lot of sway in their chosen professions, injuries or health issues that leave them in a state that are more attributed to people decades older than they are… I think there's a lot to say on the fact that it was pretty much a grassroots movement to get him back on the screen. So much of what is being provided by studios is just shit, and it's shit because they expect the audience's to be like Oliver Twist pleading "please sir, I'd like some more" (It really is a more effective reference when you can actually do the voice aloud). Unfortunately it's probably going to mean having see heaving masses of morbidly obese "activists" picketing the movie as a hate crime, and Frasier as some modern day Goebbels. Fortunately all he needs to do is walk at a 4mph speed for longer than 6 minutes and he should be able to shake at least 70% of the mob. If he's smart he'd plan ahead and carry a large box of Milk Duds or maybe chicken McNuggets so he can drop them behind him to lose the other 30%. Sort of like if you're being chased by a vampire and you dump a jar of beans out; the vampire is compelled to stop and count them allowing you to escape…except in this case said vampire is compelled to eat them all.
Those who are butthurt about how overweight people were portrayed are just upset that deep down they know it’s unhealthy. It’s truth and they don’t want to acknowledge it. It’s more of sticking your head in the sand and pretending it’s not a problem. And not to be completely insensitive but some people did get the short end of the genetic stick with weight. But you have to acknowledge it and work at taking steps literally and figuratively to combat it. But it does not make you a victim. Everyone is the master of their destiny.
There are medical issues which can cause people to be overweight even when eating the same as a normal person. However, those are not as ubiquitous as people want to believe and those people who do suffer from it should not have others using their issue as a reason for their bad habits.
Right. But then there are para/quadriplegics & amputees whose conditions are nobody’s fault but their own. But nobody gives them shit, and it’s not even remotely because they might come across one that was 100% not at fault.
I mean if you have a medical issue like that, either exercise more or eat less No medical condition stops you from being forced to follow the laws of thermodynamics
@@dinoblacklane1640 Last year I was on dialysis and we had to measure ourselves before and after each session. Whenever I hit 95-96kg and the nurses would get concerned I told them "wait a week". One week of clean eating later and I was back down to 93kg (exercised 4x a week regardless). Just because something isn't easy doesn't mean you don't do it. If all of society took that mentality we'd be lucky if humanity still existed, as we would have died in the first winter.
I find it interesting that the movie makes the same point that Boogie2988 has made in many of his videos. He has often spoken about how his extremely abusive mother would give him treats after abusing him, to train him like a dog to be loyal to her; and how he throughout most of his life adult literally tried to eat himself to death.
"Tried"? He's still doing it. Undid his gastric bypass in the process (wich he shouldn't have qualified in the first place because he has never shown any willingness to lose weight on his own).
Charlie's eating is both an emotional response to feelings he doesn't want to deal with and self-destructive. He is both the whale and Ahab according to his daughter's essay. He thinks his death will help his daughter, but he is reproducing the same circumstance that led to his downward spiral. In her first scene she asks if she will get that fat: she may not be predisposed to that self-flagellation but her detachment and cruelty could easily spiral in response to this second abandonment, which Charlie's blind optimism refused to consider as an outcome.
Brendan is a TREASURE of a human being--and as an actor. If you've ever seen him (and wonderfully talented Liz Hurley) in "Bedazzled", you'd know. But unfortunately, only the rich "actors" and entitled "directors" get the attention and praise. It is what it is. 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
"Why didn't you get a very obese actor to play the part?" The kind that wouldn't be able to keep to a normal shooting schedule? Which Academy Award caliber actor do you suggest?
4:39 I mean it gets to a point if your quality of life has gotten so low where you need assistance to get out of bed because they made the wrong health choices, outside of genetic or hormonal factors, and nothing has been done to improve, that's on you! It puts you in a state of depression that you don't want to be around anyone because that person thinks that no one wants to be around a human at that size. If the drive is gone to improve, you settled.
I can't stand the mentality that being fat makes you a victim. You're only a victim if people victimize you, but that's something you do to yourself. I'll be the first to admit that it's very difficult to make the changes needed to lose that weight because I've been there, but it's not impossible and after you've done it for awhile, it becomes easier. I went from 240 to under 170 years ago and I can personally attest that when your reach a certain threshold, your minds and body adjust to living in a more healthy, sustainable way.
Binge eating has a lot in common with drug addiction. Some people know very well that the drugs will kill them, but when they feel their lives have no value and there's no options, they do it anyway. It reminds me of that horrible drug that makes your flesh literally rot off your bones. Yes, people actually choose to do that to themselves. Normal people just can't relate to that kind of thing. It's not about a lack of willpower. The pain runs far deeper than that.
The same activists who believe in forced MRNA vaccinations to "protect the healthcare system" are very happy for everyone to be fat and permanently in need of medical care.
I saw this film with my sister and really loved it. It's great to see a discussion about the meaning of the film that doesn't revolve around it being "fatphobic". It deserves so much more than that.
I'm fat. I like to eat food that isn't good for me, and I hate exercising. I hate vegetables. As a fat, single guy, it is easier just to grab something than it is to cook for just one, and nobody's dying to cook for me, so convenience and my time are worth some of this weight.
There's one channel I like to watch. Guy who runs it is a father of three in his middle forties. Some time ago his viewers noticed that he visibly lost quite a lot of weight. So the question was, what happened, is everything alright. And his answer was: Everything good, I just decided to get back in shape. No secret just cut my food consumption in half. And let me tell you, that guy, he looks great now. It is always nice to be in shape and feel the spring in your step. So no excuses guys. Be healthy, take care of yourself!
They sell deep fried twinkies at my county fair. I started making them at home because they were so good. then realized it wasn't a good idea so I stopped 🤣
Oh, so now we can't even say anything about obese people. Yea. 600 pounds is nothing to take note of or worry about. Dale the Whale from MONK is just misunderstood.
Being fat AF is NOT "being marginalized." In fact, you're PRIVILEGED AF to have enough calories to stuff in your face to gain all that weight. Most people in the world don't have that luxury.
Oh, but they like the term "thin privilege" because they like to suggest that _not_ being fat is completely out of their control, just like being non-white is. Really all their argument are about creating an alternate reality where nothing is ever their fault.
THANK YOU! Can you imagine people in many poor countries hearing about this stuff? They're happy to have one halfway decent meal a day, and people here are dying from being eating too much. No wonder many people from other places grow up thinking America is like heaven on earth or something! If you're starving to death and then come here and see all these hideously fat people, you would think it's paradise that there is THAT much food available!
The line has to be drawn somewhere. "Fatphobia", is bollocks. There is nothing beautiful, empowering or respectable about destroying your body and dying a slow, agonising death.
As someone who fought unsuccessfully for decades against being overweight, I found the easiest thing for me is to cut out all carbs/sugars and eat more protein. The end result is that I eat less because I am not hungry. Add a bit of light exercise, mainly just walking, and the weight just comes off easily and I feel more alert, positive. The amazing thing about sugar/carbs is that they feel like a drug when you're not eating them because EVERYONE tries to pressure you into having some, like they are hopeless junkies. If I said I don't eat gluten or nuts or meat or dairy, most people would be massively understanding, but the very idea of not wanting bread, cookies or pizza really freaks people out and they go to extreme lengths to get you addicted. Also, it's a lie that protein is more expensive so that cutting out carbs is out of the reach of poorer people: I checked my spending and I was paying much more for meat, but I was eating far less often so it went further, the result being that I was spending about the same. My blood pressure and cholesterol went way down too, despite technically eating more fat.
As someone who is slightly overweight (fifteen pounds or so) I think it's so weird that Dove soap is raging over this, as if they've had any six hundred pound models? None of their models are as big as Charlie is, so why aren't THEY representing the 600 pound community with their ads? Honestly it feels like they're acting as if all degrees of being overweight are the same. As a slightly chubby person who struggles with my weight, my life is in no way comparable to a 600 pound person, Jesus Christ. I keep seeing people who are like fifty to hundred pounds overweight acting like this is an attack on them. A person who is fifty pounds to a hundred pounds overweight is not living a comparable life to a person who is four hundred pounds overweight. This movie is not making being slightly overweight, or even being significantly over weight, look horrifying. It is making being SIX HUNDRED POUNDS and being unable to leave your own home look horrifying, which is flipping is. I've yet to see anyone who is actually charlie sized comment on it.
This reminds me: Whatever happened to the Biggest Loser reality show? I remember back in the 00s being fat was actually looked down upon. The documentary, Super Size Me, while primarily criticizing McDonald's business ethics, was also a dig at fatness and how bad it is for your health. I kid you not, I haven't had a Big Mac since 2005. But now, it seems all of that dieting and exercize propaganda they pushed on us in school has gone to the wayside in favor of the exact opposite message. The utter lunacy of it all.
Afaik the only country airing new seasons with any sort of regularity is Germany (whose candidates probably look borderline malnourished compared to the "best" the US version had to offer)
I watched this last night from the start I knew where it was going but Brendan Fraser is back that was an excellent performance I don’t cry however this film got me in tears
The point about McDonalds, Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken being just about everywhere and easy to get is right on point. I’m 63, and when McDonalds was just starting out, we would get something from them on a Friday or Saturday and that’s it. And then maybe only once or twice a month. The other times mom made dinner. In fact one of McDonalds first commercials was a drink, fries, a burger and change back from your dollar.
My dudes... We NEED fat people. In the coming days they will be very handy, easy-to-herd source of nutrition when other food sources fail. I've been making that poor-taste joke with my family for years, and now as time marches on I can see the overweight members of my family giving me side-eye and quietly working out in secret whenever I start ranting about survival or when I give them "that" look 😋😂😂 EDIT: yo for all the genuine hard-working buggers in the comments who are legitimately struggling with weight loss and putting in the effort to defeat that monster, I got nothing but respect 💪💪
There’s definitely mental problems that stem from low self esteem but even if you’re addicted to eating, just put spending limits on stuff so you don’t have as much food laying around. I tend to over snack on whatever is right in front of me, whether it’s carrot sticks, chips, or cookies, so I’ve just used that knowledge to hack myself
Im a plump and tubby person, and i hate people that are terrified of people who arent muscular or skinny, but on another note, i loath this "fat acceptance" movement when its them thinking being overweight to the point where you cant even move or breathe properly is something to be proud of
2 things at play here - 1) there is an addiction which can be considered a "physical condition". People with addictions generally do not have control over their urges. 2) obesity is generally a symptom of a metabolic imbalance which may be genetic or dietary. Usually a metabolic imbalance can be cured through figuring out which foods your body can process correctly. Sometimes though there is a genetic or physical issue that could be the root cause and only through medical intervention can you be "cured".
For Americans the big problem isn't fast food exactly. We had soda and fast food and potato chips etc for a couple generations with no issue. The problem is in the 80s and 90s we started adding corn syrup and heavy amounts of preservatives to everything while removing any actual nutritional value. Now everything is like eating 10 candy bars and washing it down with frosting and people wonder why we're suddenly getting fatter.
It’s not hard to get produce in the US necessarily, it’s also the fact that a lot of people don’t have time to cook proper meals and so fast and/or frozen foods are much easier to buy.
This movie hit hard, especially as an obese guy myself. The scene where he gorges on the pizza was way too real. I still do that shit, but I'm cutting back each week. Addiction like that is fucking rough
I myself am obese. I did it to myself, I didn't move around enough to counter my food intake. No one else did this to me, I did it. I am trying to fix myself, but it is a slow process. But it was never anyone else's fault, it isn't genetic, it isn't a sickness. For me it's a mental health thing, never caring enough about myself and finding comfort/reward in a part of my life I could control.
I wish you the best of luck getting back in shape, man. You already have the right attitude, you just need to keep pushing.
OK. If a lack of good mental *health* was the cause then it was, by definition, a sickness. By your own admission, you were mentally ill.
And before anyone says,”Oh, that’s not _real_ mental illness”, it’s that kind of attitude that has men offing themselves in record numbers.
I won’t wish you luck coz luck has sweet fuck all to do with it; it’s all hard work.
I’d just advise you not to hand wave off the root cause, as you’ve just done, and put twice as much effort into improving your mental health as you do into improving your physical health.
Otherwise you’re facing a negative feedback loop where you watch all your hard work go down the drain, feel twice the shame for it & try to quell that using the same method you did before, rinse & repeat.
In the meantime, don’t let any c**t make you feel less than coz you made a mistake.
Admitting you have a problem is the first step, and you're already there. That's not nothing. I may not be obese, but I understand not caring enough about myself to get back to being a healthier person. That sense of apathy, and even outright self-loathing, fed my addictions and my self-destruction for far too long, which very nearly cost me everything (including my life itself). I'm okay now, after years of struggle and intense internal hatred, and I don't even recognize the person I used to be. All I can say is hang in there, take it one day at a time, and I sincerely hope you find things you can appreciate about yourself, because that alone goes a long way towards making the changes necessary to get life back on track.
Wishing you the best. Many processes in life are slow but they are still in motion, it’s about the end state. Please continue moving forward ❤
Since you're already on TH-cam, I gotta plug Dr. Berg's channel. His plan (healthy keto, intermittent fasting, etc.) got me down 80 lbs in one year, and I'm healthy for the first time since college. Just a tip.
The "But he's not really that size!" argument is so bizarre to me.
Uh, no. He isn't. That's why it's called acting...
I agree. If a character has a bunch of scars, you're not gonna try and cast based on someone who fits the appearance for ✨️inclusivity✨️. That's what makeup and sfx are for. It's called acting, let these people do their damn job without making it all about you 🙄
Exactly. Just point them to Christian Bale. Dude has both gained and lost extreme amounts of weight for his roles.
It's almost like they just want complain so they can see who the biggest victim is.
@@legitlyspelunking Oh I mean, they're right, we definitely should have casted a morbidly obese person that's in terminal state, I bet they would be more than capable to focus on the job while they're dying to breathe and move. "But wait wouldn't we need to hire actors to represent the thin part?" Nah there's too many thin people anyway, we can edit that with CG.
@@keenanlarsen1639 Christian Bale and Brendan Fraser are absolute legends. Would love to see them in a movie together
Actually proud of Fraser and co. for not using the film as a means to say "healthy at any size." As a fat dude on his (very long) weight loss journey, it's good to see some actual reality for this type of weight gain.
The battle for fitness & good health is real and I am glad more & more people wake up to it.
° Avoid sugar as much as possible
° Alkaline baths, daily exercises and maybe even skip out on 3 meals a day and just make morning & evening, if you wanna be hardcore
May the gods be with you. 💪🙏📿
Since you're already on TH-cam, I gotta plug Dr. Berg's channel. His plan (healthy keto, intermittent fasting, etc.) got me down 80 lbs in one year, and I'm healthy for the first time since college. Just a tip.
You got this, friend! In order to avoid feeling overwhelmed, break large goals into smaller ones, and aim to make better habits by making a couple major changes at a time every two or three weeks.
Good tidings man. I'm only a bit chubby and it really is a journey, but i can at least manage to hold my current weight by doing nearly any of my errands on foot and cooking by myself.
It’s so much harder to lose and so much easier to slide further the older you get too, hope it’s going well it’s a real struggle to make time and find the motivation to get in proper shape when you’re big
I'm disgusted and appalled that John Hurt, a non elephantiasis actor, played the elephant man. Not to mention the elephantiasis phobia that the movie is riven by.
That movie needs more love in this day and age.
Proteus syndrome, but yes, your point is very well taken.
Or the outrage that Daniel Day lewis took the job from some paraplegic that can only use the left foot.
Even worse: I heard rumors that the avengers actors aren´t real super heroes. They took that roles away from people with real super powers. That´s bigotry!
Or Sean Penn played a Downie in I am Sam. Complete discrimination
I was never that fat, but I was my fattest about a year ago. I was depressed and hated myself. I picked up weights and started binge lifting back in the summer and feel the best I've felt in years. Being fat is painful and this film shows it
Good for you. Best wishes for the future. Lifting is a source
Mate, I feel this. I am at my heaviest ever about 6 weeks ago. I've got back into the gym and really trying to eat much better.
Bro I went from 180 to 220 lbs and it was MISERABLE. I can’t imagine real weight gain and wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
100% I hit 300 and felt defeated, but I had a moment of clarity of a future I want to work towards. It gets easier all the time, but watching The Whale it was existential horror to see a possible future where one doesn’t reign in their compulsive eating.
Every aspect of this film was earth shatteringly painful and beautiful
When I got in great shape I found myself looking back on the old me that didnt have to endure grueling painful workouts (if you arent working out like a pussy) had more free time and could eat whatever I wanted until I was full. Honestly it takes so much time, sacrifice and pain to be so fit I almost think the fat guy is happier. It isnt making you more healthy either unless you are really obese, you are constantly tearing muscle fibers and putting your body into a recovery state that will shorten cellular lifespans. It's not like we need the muscle to be fighting in some war. Maybe it helps with girls but rest assured there are a thousand dudes on tinder that have been working out every day since they were 14 and the girls are used to seeing thor and other steroid bros in movies. So unless you put on some serious muscle they wont even think you are in that good a shape.
I think one of the most worrying things about the Whale was how the internet took the conversation about the film to "fatphobics vs 'body positive' people" when in reality is a tragic tale about male depression, male feelings and how many men are desperate to have some kind of genuine conection to an emotional, intelectual or psychological level (which caused all of this in the first place) once again proving how men feelings or men in general don't matter therefore creating this vicious cycle of certain groups claming men "are toxic", "don't care about feelings", "won't share themselves", etc
People on the internet always have to make everything about "Us vs Them"
@@EvilDoresh Sad to see the utter triumph of Marxist dialectics gone insane in this way. Every issue seems to develop into a formula of:
"this issue divides people to either group x or y, never something in-between or somewhat of both, where x is the oppressor and y is the oppressed, but now time has come to right the wrong by putting the x down."
Alongside the Internet allowing one to trash talk other people without fear of getting beaten, this is one of the principal reasons the World is as toxic as it is today. Thanks, Karl.
As an overweight person I will say the following. Being overweight is basically an addiction, and should be viewed as such. Don't celebrate it, don't consider it a good thing, and don't expect people to be able to easily solve it on their own. Celebrate and reward those who achieve it, and find ways to encourage people who are trying. That is the best you can do. Definitely don't try to justify it, and don't support the concept of victimhood. (TLDR: Don't make fun a fat person, but understand it isn't entirely a matter of willpower)
We have slid from "Don't be cruel to fat people." to "If you don't pretend being obese isn't bad for you, you're cruel."
Just like "if you don't think women are completely superior to men, you're a misogynist."
Or "if you don't think people of color and their cultures are infinitely superior to white people and their cultures, you're a racist."
Being cruel to people who struggle with addiction is downright evil. At the same time, you can't coddle someone who is over-eating, taking meth, or smoking - you have to be able to be honest about these things.
Fatphobia doesn’t exist. The fear of discipline and accountability is real though.
You might laugh at this...
Often, on social media, I post these six words: "Discipline. Consistency. Deadlines. Creativity. Reflection. Repeat."
I'm CONSTANTLY trolled, reported, blocked, and banned for doing so. People complain that I'm "targeting" and "triggering" everyone. 😂🤣😂
Reflection is uncommon in a CGPT-happy world.
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The character had a severe eating disorder and addiction.
I've been through it, albeit the opposite kind, which requires way more discipline and 'accountability than anyone should ever have.
These are diseases.
You should exercise your empathy muscles a bit more.
@@siracastori01I would if I hadn’t lost over 60 pounds through the ages of like 16-18. I got called fat. I fixed it.
@@siracastori01and I could’ve definitely qualified as having an eating disorder. I literally used to rip open a pack of Perdue chicken nugget dinosaurs and eat the whole thing without even heating them up first. Each one of those packs was like 2,400 calories. And that was one meal. An “eating disorder” is the byproduct of something else. You just don’t have an eating disorder from birth. You can man up and face what’s troubling you and deal with it or wallow in your misery.
@@olivercrespo2329 I know this very well, it's a disease *and* a symptom at the same time, but once it gets bad enough most people can't just up and help themselves, discipline alone is a meaningless word, at least as a starting point.
I was lucky enough to have a family who sent my 65 pounds arse to an ED clinic, which assisted me physically and psychologically, and then supported me emotionally and got me to the best psychoanalyst in the city, who helped me understand and work through the roots of my illness.
If the only support I had was an enabler with whom I shared my biggest trauma and grief and my family had shunned me, I'd be dead now.
I don't know what your level of over eating or what your diagnosis was, and I hope you recovered from that situation the best way possible, but Charlie's was as severe as the get and his physical, psychological and social situation made it impossible he could just 'help himself through discipline', that was part of his tragedy.
I’m glad that Brendan Fraser is getting the love and recognition he deserves and needs. He’s an amazing actor and this film looks amazing
I thought it was. Check it out when you get a chance. It's not an easy watch, but it's a worthwhile one.
@@MonkeyKingsformerroomate I kinda like movies that are hard to watch
@@chasehedges6775 same, but not before bed :)
@@MonkeyKingsformerroomate I watched the Witch late at night and it disturbed me.
@Chase Hedges67 good movie.
As a former morbidly obese dude the best advice I can give to somebody struggling with addiction is this: stop crying your heart out. You are not trash, even if someone really important made you feel that way. The brutal truth is that at the end of the day the only one who can help you is that weirdo in the mirror you see every day. Be good to that person and treat them with respect. Here's a quote from Steven Tyler's autobiography, speaking to his daughter after realizing she was a cutter: _“A lot of your problems have my name on them, but most of the solutions will have your name on them.”_
“I don’t wanna close my eyes, I don’t wanna fall asleep”Armageddon: A MICHAEL BAY Film
The only hater you should be worried about is _yourself_
They will never be happy.
Of course not. Outrage is their identity. It defines them.
@@mkultraification Must be a very sad existence only living to be outraged and constantly looking for things to be outraged over. Like JC dude, I can't even imagine hating myself so much as to choose that kind of lifestyle. Is finding an actually rewarding hobby so difficult for these people?
In the movie he was using food as a reaction to stress. there is a scene where he reaches for candy bars in a drawer and I think eats one and goes for more but gets distracted by birds eating apple bits on the plate outside and then puts the bars back. that scene alone was brilliant. the idea that he does attempt to find other ways to deal with stress[since he puts out the apple bits each day until the plate breaks] helps prevent this from being too shallow.
The daughter broke the plate.
The daughter broke the plate because she was pissed off that he cares about birds more than her in her mind.
It's so nice seeing Baggage Claim interacting with Drinker and MauLer again and having a good time.
Attaching the word "phobia" to anything that you have a different opinion of doesn't mean that you fear it, it just means your can see through their bullshit!!!
Me: I don't have arachnophobia, you eight legged freak!
🕷️: * moves a leg *
Me: 🏃💨
They changed the definition of phobia.
So to them it can mean something a person does not like.
Dumb but this is where we are now.
There no such thing as "fatphobia". Not wanting to be 300lbs overweight is only common sense.
Well, they definitely have different opinion phobia so....
To be fair, it can also mean having a strong aversion to it. Don't know anyone who uses like that, but it technically can
I've recently started doing exactly what Drinker says at 9:46.
Story time, I sort of let myself go after the Navy, and on my birthday, decided that I needed to start trying to lose weight. I don't find nearly enough time to work out as much as I would like, and while I'll still eat mostly the same sorts of foods, I've cut back drastically on potion sizes, fast foods, snacks, and completely cut out sodas and coffee. Since doing just this, I've lost 50 pounds in about 4-5 months, and am below 200 pounds for the first time in almost 5 years (for me, a healthy weight is around 180 pounds with muscle). Still got more to go, and as I start working out more, I'll probably put some weight on as muscle, not fat, but progress is progress. I've also been feeling great, and even had to start getting smaller belts, since my old belts smallest sizes were too large for me anymore, and my pants all fall off now if I'm not wearing a belt (not sure of waist size now, but they were 38" pants, and pretty tight, and now, have about 3-4 inches of excess around me when I wear them).
My dad even made a mention recently about how he's jealous of my willpower to just limit myself that much, and how much progress I've already made, and has even started trying to do it some himself.
As somebody who's currently on a caffeïne detox himself, I am curious as to why you've cut out coffee for weightloss, since caffeïne helps to burn fat and black coffee has virtually no calories.
@@DutchThriceman Mostly because of the caffeine. It's never quite sat well in my stomach (large amounts of caffeine would always cause some upset, even if I felt like I needed it to stay awake), and I would always have really bad crashes halfway through the day if I wasn't constantly consuming something with caffeine. I also just never quite enjoyed the taste of coffee, but always felt like I needed it to stay awake.
Since cutting all that off as well, I no longer have those crashes, and find myself with just overall more energy across the whole day, and not struggling to stay awake at all anymore. Hell, I no longer even feel the need to take naps anymore to make it all the way through the day.
I'm mainly focused on losing weight currently, as that was the most notable issue for me, but improving general overall health is the ultimate end goal, not just losing weight. If I can do multiple things at the same time, why not, you know? It's gotten so much better now as well that I no longer feel even the slightest addictive urge to have any soda or coffee.
My buddy is going through the “it’s not my fault” phase with his obese wife (5’4” 260lbs) and she’s following the usual script: greatly underestimating what she’s shoving in her face (including simply not counting at all whole categories of food/drinks/snacks), overestimating her level of activity (partly by relying on her tracker to be accurate and partly by somehow not having the sense to question if she’s really burning ultramarathoner calories with a couch potato routine). She’s determined that it’s genetic because her whole overeating, non-exercising family are all as big as she is, so there’s nothing she can do about it. No attempt to see if there’s an underlying condition needing a qualified diagnosis, no serious effort to track or control the relevant variables; it’s simply beyond her control as far as she’s concerned. 🤷♂️
Poor guy. Marriage laws suck so much.
Every human lives and dies by what they do or do not understand. Unfortunately, some will never challenge themselves in any way, shape, nor form. And why? Simple...
IT'S TOO DAEMN *HARD*. The majority of humanity is arrogant, stubborn, entitled, pretentious, and presumptuous. Instead of actually *educating* themselves about a topic, their immediate opinions take precedence. Incorrect ones, usually. But once they HOLD those opinions... there's no going back. Pride prevents people from EVER daring to admit that they were incorrect for yeeeaaarrrs. 😂🤣😂 Their pathetic, tiny egos simply cannot afford it.
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That lady needs to see a doctor. If it’s not a metabolic disorder, it might be depression. Sorry to hear that her struggles with food are affecting your marriage like this.
There are thousands of people like this, and they have this "group mentality" where they reinforce each other's bad habits. If one person cannot bring themselves to break the cycle, they go out of their way to convince everyone else to be like them. Misery loves company.
People get confused about what a genetic component is. Yes there's genetics at play with weight gain, I know people who eat loads of junk and don't gain weight, HOWEVER, your behavior can offset your genetics a LOT.
I have a huge tendency to gain weight, it's a lot of work for me just to be only five to ten pounds overweight, but the MAX I ever go to is twenty over (usually during some stressful life event) and I usually shake it back off. It's a lot of work, I don't eat any sugar, I don't eat refined carbs, I walk two miles minimum almost daily (unless there's an extenuating circumstance). Yes, it sucks I have to work harder than some, but just because I was born with a bad metabolism and a tendency to overeat when stressed doesn't mean I can just go, "oh there's nothing I can do, woe is me."
Honestly this is why I hate the new "skinny privilege." I work hard every day not to be obese (which is what I'd be if I ate and indulged how I want to). It's not a privilege for me to be a decent weight, it's hard work and I earned it so screw off with your skinny privilege and fatphobia bs. I hope your friends' wife sorts out her issues, unfortunately society is pushing the message that weight cannot be controlled very hard, especially onto women, and that's probably what's causing her to believe it's not something she can work on or improve.
Brendan Fraser and Ke Huy Quan earned their awards and both of their speeches were inspiring. WELL DESERVED!!!!
Being fat is not an identity for it is a condition and it is not a good one.
My neighbor had the same experience. He basically committed a passive form of suicide by sitting in his apartment all day. Eating, drinking, smoking. No friends. Estranged family. He had a heart attack and was found rotting in his disgusting apartment. Very sad. He was a good guy.
It actually is really hard to stay thin for some people, as eating can be such an instinctual drive, so even those without any psychological problems can be overweight. However, it's not something that's altogether out of your control. There are steps you can take to get it under control, like working with your family doctor. The very idea of "thin privilege" is quite ridiculous.
For most, it's as simple as: eat more protein, drink only water, don't buy crap so it's not available to eat. They aren't getting obese on bananas or beef, let alone eggs and kale.
Not instinctual. The hormones released to make you feel hungry can be incredibly overwhelming
I agree. We need to have sympathy for overweight people, but also understand it's not healthy and something that can be fixed with proper treatment. I also hate thin privilege, I work really hard to be a proper weight so it feels like a slap in the face to be told I'm privileged, when I'm naturally predisposed to weight gain.
When Brendan Fraser won the oscar, millions of fat people around the world rose up in outrage... then sat back down, wheezing.
“Fatphobia” should be praised and celebrated.
I don't think so, but I do agree that we shouldn't encourage people to be overweight, or avoid discouraging them
Asmongold said it best:
"You know who's fatphobic? Your body is fatphobic."
No, being fat should never be celebrated, but most people who say things like your statement are just judgemental dickheads who desperately want to feel superior to others. There's already FAR too many judgemental, angry, and scared dickheads in the United States trying to dehumanize others. Focus on yourself and being a good role model for a healthy lifestyle, and leave it at that.
That can lead to anorexia.
Although modern culture has an unhealthy focus on taking “fitness” to an extreme and torturing yourself down to extremely low body fat… obesity is way more likely to kill you. If someone is getting too lean, they can recover fairly quickly by switching to a healthy diet. But if someone is 800 lbs, losing enough weight in time to save your life might be impossible. A little body fat only matters aesthetically. But THAT much is ruinous and deadly.
I work in behavioral health with a lot of exposure to eating disorders. The Whale did a great job showing how damaging eating disorders, binge eating disorder in this case, can be. I hope some people have watched this movie and gotten themself or a loved one help
As an obese person I wholeheartedly agree. We are privileged.
Fat people are accommodated to a startling degree.
There are pants that go up to 60 in, shirt sizes up to 6x. We have no limits on what we eat, we have wheelchairs and scooters provided for us at box stores when we can't walk three feet with having a coronary.
We use the same methods as a disabled person.
Difference is, we did it to ourselves.
I wake up in the morning and I am not happy with what I see in the mirror. I am not pleased with being out of breath going up a flight of stairs, I am not chuffed to search through the clothing aisle for stretch jeans just so I can say I still wear 42s.
Being fat is a disease of our own creation and the more we condemn it the more motivation there is to change.
Screw "fat privilege" , I want that "thin privilege" where I'm not going to die of heart disease.
I'm morbidly obese myself. I did this. I blame nobody. There's nothing positive, happy or healthy about it. It's nothing but misery and health issues abroad going forward if you don't change. I'm at a stage where I've had enough and even lost 30 pounds. People need to grow the hell up and start taking responsibility for themselves.
I'm a bit overweight, for reasons that flow through eating my feelings away and finding way too much comfort in eating food.
You know that endorphin kick you get? That slight sigh and a smile and suddenly it feels like you've got in a bath that's just the right temperature? Mine was like that.
That ALL being said - none of my problems with food are anyone else's fault.
Telling people it's their fault I've eaten more is passing the buck and I genuinely think it's an attempt at mitigation, as if you've not just indulged too much and don't have the capacity to recognise it. Or won't recognise it.
My issues are mine and not the problem of anyone else nor is it something I should get privilege for. I'm working on myself now but I'm glad I had a physio who told me my weight is bad and it's causing me issues - get a grip. 😅
I have the same problems, really. Rather chubby and overweight, but not morbidly obese. Not a big fan of exersize, not really doing a lot of activity. I know it's unhealthy and i should watch my intake, but i love cooking my own meals at the same time. Candy and chocolate are my big pitfalls, junk food much less so.
And there are few things more satisfying in life than a home cooked meal you did all on your own.
Nah there is an issue with processed food. Ever gone to Dominos and find yourself hungry after eating too many slices?
They put addictive chemicals inside it, and preservatives and make our food so carb heavy compared to any time in history.
If you’re poorer and can’t afford fresh meat and veg, you can’t really be blamed fully for gaining weight, it’s just how the food is.
I was a dude who was one sandwich away from fat. For the last 4 weeks, I have been constantly exercising, running, lifting weights and doing ab crunches. I now feel happier, more mobile and I've trimmed down a lot. I feel like a better man.
The tides are changing... that's for sure.
The tides are coming in.
If someone is truly struggling with their weight, one point that I have some sympathy with is the fact that food is one of the only elements a person can't go without. Unlike someone addicted to/struggles with drugs or alcohol, it's possible to eliminate those things from their life, a person must eat. You are constantly partaking in the subject of your obsession. I have little to no tolerance for "Fat Acceptance" charlatans.
Yeah, that does make it harder. I've heard it described best on a podcast, where they said (and I'm paraphrasing): Telling someone who suffers from food addiction to just limit their intake, is like telling someone with a gambling addiction: "here's this slot machine. You're going to play it three times a day, but only for a little while".
Hearing other fat people blame literally everything but themselves is just a cope bigger than their fat arses! Its ULTRA cringe.
Im just over 300 pounds and totally agree with all of this, Im unhappy with myself and im working on it.
Drinker is right, im not buying bigger jeans im gonna get back into my old ones!
Its my fault i got this way and im the only one who can sort it!
Hear, hear. 300 myself, down from 350. We can do it!
@@Deridus great to hear keep it up!!!
Were you ever heartened by fat people on the cover of fitness magazines? I always wondered who those were directed at.
@@christopherkelley1664 No, never. Been fat should never be idolised or celebrated.
@@christopherkelley1664 I'd love to see the sales figures of magazines with fat people on the cover vs traditional models
You know I didn’t know how I felt about Drinker at first, but I’ve come to love him. He’s a lot more nuanced then I originally thought. I found his “Woke” video very interesting.
Yeah, his drunk gimmick in the reviews can throw people off, but you watch these cuts or the streams and you realize he knows what he's talking about.
Dude is an icon.
You should totally check out his “why we need heroes” video. Incredible and powerful message that shows how much he cares about the entertainment today
Drinker has his perspective (a well reasoned one) and knows what he likes and values, and he isn't apologetic about it. People often dislike that nowadays, I think, because there's the assumption that someone with those qualities must, by definition, be closed minded. It's part of the general attitude of "this thing can be harmful in some contexts, so we need to suppress or avoid it so that never happens", ignoring all the positive contexts. That and a fair helping of projection -- people who themselves couldn't be trusted with certain qualities assuming the problem *is* those qualities; the cruel and petty trying to remove any and all potential offence because they themselves can't resist using every little thing offensively, etc. The would-be tyrant hating strength because *they* would use it tyrannically. Sort of like (to use an appropriate analogy!) an alcoholic trying to ban alcohol. The Drinker may role-play as an alcoholic for entertainment purposes, but he's actually someone who can hold his liquor quite responsibly, if you get the drift. My perspectives differ from his in some significant ways (and in some ways they align quite significantly too); part of why I respect him is that this doesn't matter, he's the sort of person who'd hear me out, whom I could discuss freely with -- and he wouldn't pull any punches either. Just free, honest communication, no dumb dominance games.
@@matthewcollins4773 When I first started watching him I already put him in a box just by hearing him say “The Message”. I was kinda like oh this guys some masculine, super right leaning, hates everything that isn’t a straight male or whatever(you get what I’m saying), but then as I continued to watch his videos and I was like ehh he has a few good take but then I eventually got to the “What Is Woke?” Video and his thoughts and opinions, they were just surprisingly very nuanced and I just thought this guy is onto something. He’s intelligent and just really cares about storytelling and I respect that a lot.
“There’s a lot to chew over with that movie”
Not even a few seconds in and delivering a punchline
Love Baggage Claim. Great guest!
Yeah the mentality of why didn't you get a dangerously overweight actor to portray the role ? was definitely face slapping, look being over weight is not something i think people want, it is dangerous and while you can live happily for a while it does come back to bite at some point
Well it's also fucking dumb because those people don't seem to realize the whole point of an actor is to portray a character that likely is nothing like them. Should we get actual mob bosses to play godfathers? Actual murderers to play slashers? George Takai was upset, and rightfully so when the jokes raping Star Trek made the new Sulu gay, because Takai was- he put it brilliantly, the following is not verbatim of course, but essentially: "I did not play a gay man, as an actor I am expected to play people who are not like me- that is what it means to be an actor. Sulu was straight, and I was happy and more than capable to play him as straight, regardless of my own sexuality- for them to change Sulu is like saying I can't play a straight man, as if I'm incapable."
This issue boils my piss no end. Was seated on a flight next to a man who was easily 400 lbs. He was sweaty, he stank and his back fat literally forced me off my seat back. I spent 4 hours leaning away from him and left the flight exhausted and with horrible back pain.
But if you say anything to his face you are "fat phobic" and if you leave to go say something to the flight crew, you are not only "fat phobic" but also a coward. These people should have to buy 2 seats or stay off of planes.
Hear, HEAR!!
I've always had a terrible relationship with food and have struggled with weight for most of my life. This film hit deep, deep cords perfectly. It's been constantly on my mind since I watched it a week ago. Such a good movie and the performances were phenomenal. I think it's the type of movie that is very much down to interpretation, in the best possible way.
The biggest problem is when people attempt to take a step in the right direction, they can't or refuse to understand that improving health is a long-term process. They ask what the secret to losing weight is , expecting a simple instruction which will let them lose hundreds of pounds per month, and when you start explaining that it is more difficult then that they just close themselves off.
I've lost ~50lbs over a 7 month period, before taking a month and a half maintenance phase before starting my new weight-loss phase. It's difficult and takes a long time, but it's short-term suffering for long-term massive benefits.
"Only knows how to be destructive"
She's a twitter user!
I am one of those fat people who does have a genetic reason behind why it is hard for me to lose the weight I have packed on my body.
But I still did this to me and I can't pin the blame on my genes. I learned in high school that weight loss would be harder for me. I didn't use that information to make better food choices and I continued eating crap for years. Now, I am 5'5" and 306 lbs. At my heaviest, I was 350. I did that.
I get so pissed at these "healthy at any size" people who would probably give me shit for wanting to lose the weight. Forgive me for wanting to do what I can now to make up for my mistakes and live healthier. Sheesh! I appreciated Brendan's portrayal so much because I did see myself - the person I was before I decided not to be that way anymore.
I truly believe that those who are angry about this film and parrot that "healthy at any size" mentality are ashamed for letting themselves get to where they are and they don't want to take responsibility for their health. So, they lash out at anyone or anything that makes them look at themselves honestly.
I turns out the real whale was inside us all along.
Few people are as "privledged" as those who can sit and shove prodigious amounts of food in their face five times a day.
Only five? What about second breakfast? Elevenses?
@@EvenTheDogAgrees I was trying to be neighborly
The Whale: not exactly a popcorn movie 🍿
In my experience people using the excuse that they're just engaging in "brutal honesty" are much more interested in the brutality than the honesty.
In my experience is the other way around. Yes they are brutal, they shock you and make you stand still but they are extremely honest and tell you things that disturbed others but other people never dared to tell you.
Really? I've had the exact opposite experience. I, and many others, are lied to every day. Having the one friend or coworker who don't give a damn and tells it like it is, it's extremely important.
The real difficulty is taking every individual as an individual. It's much easier to lump everyone in one group or another as part of pattern recognition. Perfectly natural, utterly flawed, completely understandable.
@@Zathren Telling it like it is isn’t the same as being brutal.
It’s easy af to be direct & still not be a c**t.
I'm brutally honest. I focus on the honest part first, but speaking the truth requires more brutality towards yourself than towards others because without self honesty you can not be honest towards others for your own self delusions will color your perceptions of everything else. Yes I am interested in the brutal part of brutal honesty, I just stick with the truth as bluntly as possible because it makes life easier than remembering all the stupid lies told to others to protect their feelings, or to make myself feel superior. I do choose to use tact with my honesty, but nothing that will change the meaning of what I am saying, which makes it quite brutal usually.
I love Brendan Fraser, always have. Always seemed like a really decent humble guy and he got totally screwed over by the cesspool of Hollywood because he wouldn’t sleep with a pervert producer. Long overdue restoration for him.
I exercise not because I want to get in shape but because I want to eat the food I like with minimal consequences
I'm in this weird position where I have no desire to watch this movie; I see enough things in my day that I don't want to see but can't avoid it, I don't want to do it in my down time.
On the other hand I'm thrilled for Frasier. I think there's a LOT of people who are in a bad place that don't deserve it, people who in spite of doing the right things, for one reason or another were just dealt a bad hand. Frasier definitely is in that category, at least professionally, and it's good to see him moving in the right direction. I can think of a few people off the top of my head who's own downward trajectory mirrors his in every way, sans the specifics: bad marriages, getting on the wrong side of someone with a lot of sway in their chosen professions, injuries or health issues that leave them in a state that are more attributed to people decades older than they are…
I think there's a lot to say on the fact that it was pretty much a grassroots movement to get him back on the screen. So much of what is being provided by studios is just shit, and it's shit because they expect the audience's to be like Oliver Twist pleading "please sir, I'd like some more" (It really is a more effective reference when you can actually do the voice aloud).
Unfortunately it's probably going to mean having see heaving masses of morbidly obese "activists" picketing the movie as a hate crime, and Frasier as some modern day Goebbels. Fortunately all he needs to do is walk at a 4mph speed for longer than 6 minutes and he should be able to shake at least 70% of the mob. If he's smart he'd plan ahead and carry a large box of Milk Duds or maybe chicken McNuggets so he can drop them behind him to lose the other 30%. Sort of like if you're being chased by a vampire and you dump a jar of beans out; the vampire is compelled to stop and count them allowing you to escape…except in this case said vampire is compelled to eat them all.
So much agree with you. I have no desire to watch it but I want to watch it at the same time
Jesus, I just saw how long this comment was..
Those who are butthurt about how overweight people were portrayed are just upset that deep down they know it’s unhealthy. It’s truth and they don’t want to acknowledge it. It’s more of sticking your head in the sand and pretending it’s not a problem.
And not to be completely insensitive but some people did get the short end of the genetic stick with weight. But you have to acknowledge it and work at taking steps literally and figuratively to combat it. But it does not make you a victim. Everyone is the master of their destiny.
There are medical issues which can cause people to be overweight even when eating the same as a normal person. However, those are not as ubiquitous as people want to believe and those people who do suffer from it should not have others using their issue as a reason for their bad habits.
Right. But then there are para/quadriplegics & amputees whose conditions are nobody’s fault but their own. But nobody gives them shit, and it’s not even remotely because they might come across one that was 100% not at fault.
I mean if you have a medical issue like that, either exercise more or eat less
No medical condition stops you from being forced to follow the laws of thermodynamics
@@dinoblacklane1640 Last year I was on dialysis and we had to measure ourselves before and after each session. Whenever I hit 95-96kg and the nurses would get concerned I told them "wait a week". One week of clean eating later and I was back down to 93kg (exercised 4x a week regardless).
Just because something isn't easy doesn't mean you don't do it. If all of society took that mentality we'd be lucky if humanity still existed, as we would have died in the first winter.
I find it interesting that the movie makes the same point that Boogie2988 has made in many of his videos. He has often spoken about how his extremely abusive mother would give him treats after abusing him, to train him like a dog to be loyal to her; and how he throughout most of his life adult literally tried to eat himself to death.
"Tried"? He's still doing it. Undid his gastric bypass in the process (wich he shouldn't have qualified in the first place because he has never shown any willingness to lose weight on his own).
It's actually a documentary about Nikocado Avocado.
Judge Dredd's "League of Fatties" terror group is becoming a reality. 😂
Charlie's eating is both an emotional response to feelings he doesn't want to deal with and self-destructive. He is both the whale and Ahab according to his daughter's essay. He thinks his death will help his daughter, but he is reproducing the same circumstance that led to his downward spiral. In her first scene she asks if she will get that fat: she may not be predisposed to that self-flagellation but her detachment and cruelty could easily spiral in response to this second abandonment, which Charlie's blind optimism refused to consider as an outcome.
Is The Whale not an adaptation of the Herman Melville book?
Who the hell thinks buying 2 plane seats is normal.
I would think anyone that cant fit on the plane wouldnt even be on one.
Crit Drinker channeling Stallone's Cobra.
I can't get over how much he looks like Rodney Dangerfield, lol...
I had never before considered the possibility of double-deckering pizza slices until seeing Frasier do it in the film
Next they're going to protest Star wars because Mark Hamill isn't actually a Jedi
Screw any actor every associated with Vader for not being a cripple with 3rd degree burns
Brendan is a TREASURE of a human being--and as an actor. If you've ever seen him (and wonderfully talented Liz Hurley) in "Bedazzled", you'd know.
But unfortunately, only the rich "actors" and entitled "directors" get the attention and praise. It is what it is.
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"Why didn't you get a very obese actor to play the part?"
The kind that wouldn't be able to keep to a normal shooting schedule?
Which Academy Award caliber actor do you suggest?
Orson Welles and Marlon Brando are long gone...
4:39 I mean it gets to a point if your quality of life has gotten so low where you need assistance to get out of bed because they made the wrong health choices, outside of genetic or hormonal factors, and nothing has been done to improve, that's on you! It puts you in a state of depression that you don't want to be around anyone because that person thinks that no one wants to be around a human at that size. If the drive is gone to improve, you settled.
„Mr. Creosote:The Movie“. Anybody remember him? From Monty Python??
The flip side of this film is a very old French movie called "Le Grand Bouffe" in which a bunch of hedonists literally eat themselves to death.
I can't stand the mentality that being fat makes you a victim. You're only a victim if people victimize you, but that's something you do to yourself. I'll be the first to admit that it's very difficult to make the changes needed to lose that weight because I've been there, but it's not impossible and after you've done it for awhile, it becomes easier. I went from 240 to under 170 years ago and I can personally attest that when your reach a certain threshold, your minds and body adjust to living in a more healthy, sustainable way.
Binge eating has a lot in common with drug addiction. Some people know very well that the drugs will kill them, but when they feel their lives have no value and there's no options, they do it anyway. It reminds me of that horrible drug that makes your flesh literally rot off your bones. Yes, people actually choose to do that to themselves.
Normal people just can't relate to that kind of thing. It's not about a lack of willpower. The pain runs far deeper than that.
This is not "fatphobia", it's only common sense. Some people just lives to be outraged.
You know what is sad and kinda funny is this movie less than 10 years ago would have been loved by the woke critics
I'm thinking back to the Dom Deluise drama "Fatso" from 1980.
Brendan Fraser and Ke Huy Quan winning made me happy.
Same
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Me too.
The Hollywood SJW’s are certainly fighting “breast privilege” - just look at the Guardians of the Galaxy 3 poster!
The same activists who believe in forced MRNA vaccinations to "protect the healthcare system" are very happy for everyone to be fat and permanently in need of medical care.
I saw this film with my sister and really loved it.
It's great to see a discussion about the meaning of the film that doesn't revolve around it being "fatphobic". It deserves so much more than that.
I'm fat. I like to eat food that isn't good for me, and I hate exercising. I hate vegetables. As a fat, single guy, it is easier just to grab something than it is to cook for just one, and nobody's dying to cook for me, so convenience and my time are worth some of this weight.
There's one channel I like to watch. Guy who runs it is a father of three in his middle forties. Some time ago his viewers noticed that he visibly lost quite a lot of weight. So the question was, what happened, is everything alright. And his answer was: Everything good, I just decided to get back in shape. No secret just cut my food consumption in half. And let me tell you, that guy, he looks great now. It is always nice to be in shape and feel the spring in your step. So no excuses guys. Be healthy, take care of yourself!
They sell deep fried twinkies at my county fair. I started making them at home because they were so good. then realized it wasn't a good idea so I stopped 🤣
Love your work Drinker
He’s the best at what he does and his stuff is amazing
Oh, so now we can't even say anything about obese people. Yea. 600 pounds is nothing to take note of or worry about. Dale the Whale from MONK is just misunderstood.
A minute in and all they’re doing is analysing the film. Refreshing…
3:25 lmao. It should not be offensive to advocate the unhealthy effects, not just the physical effects but also emotional effects of being obese.
I would be hard pressed to find a movie that made me feel raw emotions in a way that The Whale did.
The Lighthouse, The Northman and The Witch are great
Gladiator with Russel Crowe is great
@@chasehedges6775 Agreed. Robert Eggers makes fantastic movies. Haven’t seen Gladiator though.
@@Zeddyboi86 Gladiator is an absolute masterpiece of a film. You should watch it.
“What we do in life echoes in eternity.”
@@Zeddyboi86The ending to Gladiator is heartbreakingly beautiful.
“I will see you again but not yet. Not yet”
Being fat AF is NOT "being marginalized." In fact, you're PRIVILEGED AF to have enough calories to stuff in your face to gain all that weight. Most people in the world don't have that luxury.
Oh, but they like the term "thin privilege" because they like to suggest that _not_ being fat is completely out of their control, just like being non-white is.
Really all their argument are about creating an alternate reality where nothing is ever their fault.
THANK YOU! Can you imagine people in many poor countries hearing about this stuff? They're happy to have one halfway decent meal a day, and people here are dying from being eating too much. No wonder many people from other places grow up thinking America is like heaven on earth or something! If you're starving to death and then come here and see all these hideously fat people, you would think it's paradise that there is THAT much food available!
The line has to be drawn somewhere.
"Fatphobia", is bollocks. There is nothing beautiful, empowering or respectable about destroying your body and dying a slow, agonising death.
As someone who fought unsuccessfully for decades against being overweight, I found the easiest thing for me is to cut out all carbs/sugars and eat more protein. The end result is that I eat less because I am not hungry. Add a bit of light exercise, mainly just walking, and the weight just comes off easily and I feel more alert, positive. The amazing thing about sugar/carbs is that they feel like a drug when you're not eating them because EVERYONE tries to pressure you into having some, like they are hopeless junkies. If I said I don't eat gluten or nuts or meat or dairy, most people would be massively understanding, but the very idea of not wanting bread, cookies or pizza really freaks people out and they go to extreme lengths to get you addicted. Also, it's a lie that protein is more expensive so that cutting out carbs is out of the reach of poorer people: I checked my spending and I was paying much more for meat, but I was eating far less often so it went further, the result being that I was spending about the same. My blood pressure and cholesterol went way down too, despite technically eating more fat.
Damn, that's a Claim that I wouldn't mind handling.
As someone who is slightly overweight (fifteen pounds or so) I think it's so weird that Dove soap is raging over this, as if they've had any six hundred pound models? None of their models are as big as Charlie is, so why aren't THEY representing the 600 pound community with their ads? Honestly it feels like they're acting as if all degrees of being overweight are the same. As a slightly chubby person who struggles with my weight, my life is in no way comparable to a 600 pound person, Jesus Christ. I keep seeing people who are like fifty to hundred pounds overweight acting like this is an attack on them. A person who is fifty pounds to a hundred pounds overweight is not living a comparable life to a person who is four hundred pounds overweight. This movie is not making being slightly overweight, or even being significantly over weight, look horrifying. It is making being SIX HUNDRED POUNDS and being unable to leave your own home look horrifying, which is flipping is. I've yet to see anyone who is actually charlie sized comment on it.
Roger Corman just optioned a sequel script that has The Whale facing off against The Wrestler.
It wouldn't surprise me if the activists were campaigning to have wider doors fitted to filming studios.
This reminds me: Whatever happened to the Biggest Loser reality show? I remember back in the 00s being fat was actually looked down upon. The documentary, Super Size Me, while primarily criticizing McDonald's business ethics, was also a dig at fatness and how bad it is for your health. I kid you not, I haven't had a Big Mac since 2005. But now, it seems all of that dieting and exercize propaganda they pushed on us in school has gone to the wayside in favor of the exact opposite message. The utter lunacy of it all.
Afaik the only country airing new seasons with any sort of regularity is Germany (whose candidates probably look borderline malnourished compared to the "best" the US version had to offer)
I watched this last night from the start I knew where it was going but Brendan Fraser is back that was an excellent performance I don’t cry however this film got me in tears
The point about McDonalds, Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken being just about everywhere and easy to get is right on point.
I’m 63, and when McDonalds was just starting out, we would get something from them on a Friday or Saturday and that’s it. And then maybe only once or twice a month. The other times mom made dinner. In fact one of McDonalds first commercials was a drink, fries, a burger and change back from your dollar.
It was off to the races when they named a movie about a fat person "The Whale". You *know* these people get very triggered by that word.
Damn, Baggage Claim's cute.
My dudes... We NEED fat people. In the coming days they will be very handy, easy-to-herd source of nutrition when other food sources fail. I've been making that poor-taste joke with my family for years, and now as time marches on I can see the overweight members of my family giving me side-eye and quietly working out in secret whenever I start ranting about survival or when I give them "that" look 😋😂😂
EDIT: yo for all the genuine hard-working buggers in the comments who are legitimately struggling with weight loss and putting in the effort to defeat that monster, I got nothing but respect 💪💪
They can't be a good source of nutrition. Have you _seen_ the kind of junk they've been eaten?
There’s definitely mental problems that stem from low self esteem but even if you’re addicted to eating, just put spending limits on stuff so you don’t have as much food laying around. I tend to over snack on whatever is right in front of me, whether it’s carrot sticks, chips, or cookies, so I’ve just used that knowledge to hack myself
I’m not exactly skinny, but this whole fatphobia thing is utter bullshit.
Im a plump and tubby person, and i hate people that are terrified of people who arent muscular or skinny, but on another note, i loath this "fat acceptance" movement when its them thinking being overweight to the point where you cant even move or breathe properly is something to be proud of
@@Cruddy129 Terrified of? No one's terrified, they're probably just disgusted.
Reminds me of when Ralphie May was doing stand up about being too fat to play Fat Bastard on Austin Powers
2 things at play here - 1) there is an addiction which can be considered a "physical condition". People with addictions generally do not have control over their urges. 2) obesity is generally a symptom of a metabolic imbalance which may be genetic or dietary. Usually a metabolic imbalance can be cured through figuring out which foods your body can process correctly. Sometimes though there is a genetic or physical issue that could be the root cause and only through medical intervention can you be "cured".
A sphincter says what??
For Americans the big problem isn't fast food exactly. We had soda and fast food and potato chips etc for a couple generations with no issue. The problem is in the 80s and 90s we started adding corn syrup and heavy amounts of preservatives to everything while removing any actual nutritional value. Now everything is like eating 10 candy bars and washing it down with frosting and people wonder why we're suddenly getting fatter.
I'm genuinely appauled by how difficult it feels in the US to get normal fresh produce and even if it's just a bag of potatoes.
It’s not hard to get produce in the US necessarily, it’s also the fact that a lot of people don’t have time to cook proper meals and so fast and/or frozen foods are much easier to buy.
This movie hit hard, especially as an obese guy myself. The scene where he gorges on the pizza was way too real. I still do that shit, but I'm cutting back each week. Addiction like that is fucking rough
“Water is wet”
SO aquaphobic.
Drinker really showing his Scottishness with the deep fried Mars Bar mention. I wonder how many people outside of Scotland have even heard of those?