@@Johnny_73 My M1 Pro MacBook has a crazy amount of graphics performance for the power draw. The entire SOC draws less than half the power than the AMD 5500M in my old 16" pro but is significantly faster. Being able to use that performance on batter power while still getting reasonable battery life is just nuts. It completely changes the way I use my laptop. I'd still very excited to see AMD trying to compete with Apple because a 14" windows laptop with similar power efficiency to my 14" MacBook pro would be just about the perfect gaming laptop.
It's incredible how these Ryzen chips increase in speed every generation. My desktop 1700X has similar benchmark results to the 5500U in my Ultrabook. Can't wait to see these 6000 series in action.
@DaKrawnik420 The 5500U is a Zen 2 based APU, so with a 6000 series APU they would get the improvements step of Zen 3 and Zen 3+(Zen 3+ has no IPC improvements over Zen 3, but should offer higher clock speeds and efficiency, so would give a bit more performance for a given power budget). All 6000 series APUs seem to be Zen 3+, AMD is releasing some new variants of the Zen 3 APUs, too, but these will be given 5000 series naming, so it appears that AMD has decided to make things a bit less confusing this time around.
@DaKrawnik420 5500U is Zen 2 while the entire 6000 lineup is Zen 3+ There are huge performance and efficiency improvements from Zen 3 to Zen 3+. The improvements from Zen 2 to Zen 3+ are obviously much huger
@@riztiz Many people don't know about it, even a lot of youtubers have been testing laptops just saying "Ryzen 7" without be aware about the big difference between a Ryzen 7 5800u vs a Ryzen 7 5700u .... as in this case....5500u vs 5600u are different!, So, nice comment!
AMD should've provide 12/9/6 CU SKUs. They only provide 12 CU option or 6 CU and there is a big difference in performance :( The 12 CU option is only available in the most expensive 8 core APUs, like the 6800U (makes more sense for U series). They should've put 9 CUs in the 6600U APU, instead of just 6. Anyways RDNA2 is finally here for iGPUs and it's fantastic.
Hope you give the new Blade 14 a review when it comes in. Been looking forward to upgrading to it and would love to see how it measures up/if I could save some money by going for the 3070 ti over the 3080 ti.
Most of the user base is probably concerned about gaming, but I appreciate your inclusion of the creator crew in this one. If you could expand a little more on the impact of media engines/encoders on the new iris xe and mac m1 setups vs rdna2 and nvenc's lack thereof when it comes to the modern mirrorless codecs (here's lookin at you H.265 10bit 422) that a ton of us freelancers are working with, then that could help a little. I have a Ryzen 9 3900X and an RTX 2080 desktop, and I have to make proxies for all my H.265 10 bit 422 footage, because it's absolutely unusable. If I had known at the time that I built it that intel would fully support and adopt new codecs, I would have made a different decision in my build!! I use the Canon R5 daily, so that's a whole lot of proxy making that goes into my workflow now, because I don't have a CPU that can natively speak to the compression algorithm of my camera codec. But hey, it games fine.
from your point of view, should i get the ryzen 5 5600h integrated graphics or should i choose the one with the nvidia mx350 ? is the radeon integrated the same as the mx 350 ?
raytracing in these notebooks are more appreciated in architect applications with render plugins or applications, taking advantage from dx 12 and in-hardware ray tracing like twinmotion
yeah, umm no lol. desktop RDNA2 cards tank when RT is turned on, even the 6900XT chugs down to 25 FPS.A laptop low wattage chip is going to run like a slide show. he even said to keep it off with this mobile chip lol. he had some problems with Port Royal also, the RTX 3050 mobile gets double the AMD performance. Im not sure if he had some driver issue
@@kyles8524 You know pixelblock is talking about programs like Blender and Cinema 4D right, not games... Professional applications where even 1 fps would be blazing fast.
@@Thelango99 excuse me, 1 fps? 15 seconds per frame is considered ridiculously fast in these scenarios, and with my old potato PC, I get 15 *MINUTES* per frame on my CPU, cos haha old gpu go bsod if i try to run render on it
I was waiting for my dream gaming netbook, small and light, great battery life that could run old AAA (GTA V, FarCry3, NFS MW2012) or even some modern games. But since the introduction in CES nothing came out yet and I got a great deal on the hp aero 13 running on zen 3, ryzen 5 5600. So I got it and I'll wait for a good deal on a laptop with ryzen 7 6800 without dedicated GPU, Maybe a sale on the upcoming surface laptop 5.
Hoping availability of the 680M improves for ultrabooks this year. The gaming performance of the 680M coupled with the better thermals and effeciency of Ryzen CPUs makes this a solid choice for an all rounder laptop.
I'm still looking for a laptop that doesn't have a dedicated GPU in it. The integrated gpu from AMD is more than enough for my gaming needs. Here's hoping razer will update their razor book lineup as I think that's where the sweet spot will be between performance and pricing.
@@dewamscvbvx Honor Magicbook Pro 16 with ryzen 7 4800H. they should make a 2022 refresh, or similar Xiaomi laptops do the same. It's just about what you can get.
Imagine if this were paired with good memory instead of min spec memory. Just look at the 8 VEGA2 CUs and how much better they performance with 4800CL17 RAM than 3200 CL22 RAM IF you math this out, the 680M at 2200Mhz should be close to 2.5-2.8x faster than Vega8 at 2Ghz. But its not, and i think that s entirely do to memory bandwidth. I really think these laptops would have done great if they either used much faster RAM, or used a 3rd channel with cheap RAM. adding a 3rd channel is not die area expensive, the major hurdle here is the extra pins and board complexity needed to communicate with the RAM
i mean ye but you are comparing right now 50% increase in freq and 20% decrease in latency which is already mind blowing upgrade, with DDR5 you get one of the lowest or to be fair one among the lowest ranked DDR5 modules which really sucks. But yea definitely, RAM moduels are really the bottleneck in this laptops. like imagine 5800MHz ram would be kind of a equal to 2400-mhz -ddr4 ram since each gen just doubles the numbers up and is not realistic or real number and people think ddr5 like 5800 is much better than other ddr4 ram modules which is by far not true. I also found Ryzen 6000 very overvalued for what it is, i mean what they did this year is amazing in laptops, but for a chip to reach maximum performance with vapor chamber and still needs to reach TDP or temprature of almost 100 degrees (96-95 to be more exact) is really just pushing the chip to the very extreme to show such numbers, so that's why i am of such opinion that these chips are more like 5000 version in laptops but with much greater cooling capacities to push them. i hope that makes sense
heck, I've even seen this on the desktop with my Ryzen 5 2400G (which had Vega 11) when I first bought it and paired it with higher clocked/ better performing RAM. I was playing most games at 1080p albeit at low to low/ medium settings while some games here and there were capable of being bumped up to medium high settings. I could imagine the 680M getting a decent boost with higher end RAM and even more so on the desktop with no power limits.
@@nxk5116 My 4400CL19 overclocked to 4933CL17 is about the same total bandwidth as DDR5 5400CL36 of about 73-74GB/s This is why i personally said that instead of 2 memory controllers on Alderlake, they should have just done a single 3 channel DDR4 controller capable of at least 4400MT/s The kit (currently OC'd to 4800CL17) i have is only $100 for 16GB, and with 3 sticks instead of 2, it would only be ~$150, and offer bandwidth on par with DDR5 6600, while being significantly cheaper, and offering you 50% more capacity
@DaKrawnik420 Vega2 on Ryzen 4000 and 5000 isnt that bad when paired with a ~$100 kit of DDR4 4400CL19 RAM, problem is most people pair it with 3200CL18 because 'thats what you're supposed to do with Ryzen'
Really wish you would of shown TDP's on both systems. Because Iris Xe really doesn't come alive until 28w or higher. Pushing it out to 40w. Its quite powerful. But at those lower TDPs(10w, 15w or 20w) for like handhelds AMD is far superior.
This is exactly what I needed to hear before thinking about buying either the steam deck or another handheld-pc. My 3 year old Acer Nitro 5 came with the spectacular desktop 1050ti chip rigged to 4 GB graphics memory (8th generation i5 8300 quad core 8 thread with HT, 8 GB system ram was upgraded to 16GB, original 1TB HDD died, replaced with a 250GB NVME m.2 and 1 TB samsung EVO 860 SATA ssd, and I got a better LCD panel when I busted the original) and as far as I can tell this specific version of the 1050 TI kind of broke the system, as it's able to run many games that specifically say they are 'NOT COMPATIBLE' with the 1050 or 1050 TI at all... such as Elden Ring... which runs flawlessly, and keeps a near rock-solid 60 fps framerate (on medium settings...). The one game that was troubling me was Cyberpunk 2077, and from what I can see that's just due to terrible programming and support in general. Everything else runs beautifully. The 'mobile' version of the 1050 TI that Acer used in this monster of an 'entry level' gaming laptop, with its 4GB parlor trick, seems to have a LOT more legs than I ever expected when I originally got the machine for less than $700... However, that IS after spending a good $500 in parts over the years :D But this damn thing is FAST... I mean cold-boot-into-windows in 10 seconds FAST. But that's to be expected, when I look over all the components they essentially stuffed a desktop machine into a 15.5" laptop. That being said, they did have some concessions, the original HDD was a write-off, no-name fly-by-night brand and died within 2 years. It also has one of the single worst cameras I've ever seen. Last but certainly not least, it has a battery that's about the size of my cellphone, which on a GOOD day will grant me 2 hours of 'normal PC usage', no gaming, with battery saver turned on. No, the SSD's did not really help there too much. That being said, for half the price of what I've invested into this machine, the steam deck comes close to the same kind of performance metrics from what I've seen... but that's with an integrated GPU on the AMD CPU, and the same 16 GB ram I'm currently running (which i plan to max out to 32 GB which will probably actually slow my boot time down a bit, an SSD on an i3 will load win10 in about 5 seconds if you have a paltry 4 GB ram.) Should i get a steam deck? Well, I have a damn good gaming laptop... and I have a switch (lite) already. I think that money would be better spent investing in a new desktop unit, all things considered.
You should get one if haven't already, I have one and it's great, most if not all your games are available and run really well. Valve also has great customer service in case you have a problem, you can even play your switch games with emulation which is pretty easy to do and the controller on the steam deck is more comfortable than the switch ones though the steam deck doesn't have an OLED screen so colors aren't as bright but other than that I highly recommend
How is the power consumption? I think in the topic of intergrated graphics, battery life to performance ratio is more interesting than just pure performance. Because a lot of these devices especially the ones you used as example have a dedicated GPU anyway so in intense workload scenario it's always going to be plugged into a wall to utilize the dGPU. This would really shine if it can rival, well not rival but atleast get closer to what macbook does. Giving performance without needing ridiculous amount of power.
I remember correctly that I played RDR2 with gtx1050 with 8750h laptop DF's Xbox one setting, set to 900p got myself around 28-35fps. This set at High still playable. Awesome!
As someone who keeps up with tech as a hobby, this video was pure joy to listen to. It's fun getting excited about something and letting your mind wander. Hopefully innovation keeps up at this level for a long time to come, and more stuff can get integrated into CPUs...
Really impressive for an igpu, however I know the 6500xt with 16 CU's ( the gimped discreet gpu ) could have most likely been added versus the 12 CU's in the RX 680M or who knows maybe in the near futures
The 6500 XT was a laptop GPU meant to be used along with the RX 600 iGPUs (Hence the 6500 XT has a disabled encoder even if a lower 680 has one enabled)
No! Wait it's way better than you think! I'm now working with such a setup. Ultrabook Lenovo Thinkbook Z13 bronze! With exclusive CPU only for this Z13 model, AMD 6860Z & the 680M (32gb,1TB). +++ Everything is running on one cable Thunderbolt 4 (USB C) running 49'' WDQHD display 5120x1440 + 27'' FHD display 1920x1080 + 13,3'' OLED display of the ultrabook 2880x1800 and the USB C provides power delivery as well. Using small dock which is under the largest display. It can handle CAD programs with large assemblies, with over 2000 parts, like nothing ! System memory for APU 680M was only 512MB dedicated, and APU can use up to 16GB shared memory (out of total 32GB ram). Average cpu power consumption during work was 9-10 Watts reported by HWinfo64.
The iGPU competition between Intel and AMD is great. Thanks to AMD introducing Vega iGPUs to give a massive leap over UHD iGPUs it encouraged Intel to develope Iris Xe to catch up and once again this pushes AMD forward with RDNA2. I cannot wait to see how Intel answers this one because a lot of people I know have bought their Xe iGPUs so there is a lot of money to still be made
Every laptop user should know this. 1. Just “raise the bottom” let more air into the machine and you will found cpu&gpu each them reduce 10~15°C or in high usage will have more efficacy 2. You shouldn’t be use “laptop cooler” , cuz that effectiveness actually just like you put two bottle caps under laptop to raise it. But the cooler still use your limited power and it will let cpu&gpu become more hungry. Unless it has an “independent power supply”. There also very many ways let your experience better , like “gamer most of the time should limit cpu’s PL1&PL2 and offset voltage” “discrete graphics card overclock”. “Replace the thermal paste and clean the fan dust”. Sorry my bad English,hope it's not too hard to read. Just want help you gus. From Taiwan
I didn't watch your whole video but unless the type of CPU in the different computers is presented, we can't make any assumptions about the results of the IGPU - since you yourself stated that CPU is important in Adobe's software. However, if CPUs are equal in performance, then Adobe users should focus on Intel hardware.
Too bad that the big brands don't build a decent laptop. I bought a Dell Inspiron 13 last December and I had it returned 1mo later. It was the poorest build quality I've ever seen on a laptop, super cheap plastic, issues with Bluetooth and trackpad and buzzing sound coming from the fans.
i just bought lenovo yoga 7 with ryzen 7 6800u in it, and the build quality is superb, with great screen and 2 in 1 capabilities and a surprisingly amazing speaker, it even has a pen included in the box lmao, but you can also check hp spectre x360 and asus zenbook s13 oled in the same price range as mine
Edit: the Razer Blade 15 already comes with DDR5 and Intel's 12th gen, so ignore my comment We haven't seen Intel 12th gen Intel Xe with DDR5/LPDDR5 memory speed yet, so this comparison is kinda "unfair" when the Ryzen 6000 APU's only come with DDR5/LPDDR5 configuratios, but it's what is available for now. Anyway really nice seeing how much improvements have been made in the recent years for iGPU's!
Thanks for the informative video. This APU looks like a great option for my son's school computer which is required to have 1650 4GB VRAM GDDR6 performance. What ultra-books with a sturdy build that has the APU would you recommend that I look at?
Hello, I have an urgent question and I hope that it finds you (or someone else who might help me) even though the video is a bit older. Did you have a chance to test how well Photoshop works with the Intel Iris XE graphics card? I was just about to buy the HP Spectre x360, wich you tested in the video when someone told me that Photoshop might not work well on an integrated graphics card. What do you think about that? I would be very thankful for an answer :))
Only think that sucks is that you could go easily for an used , 2-3 year old high end notebook without loosing anything. Now there is a big reason to buy a new one , and the prices for your old stuff will drop tremendously.
I overclocked my uhd 770 on my 12700k an extra 621 mhz witch took like 2 minutes lol. HUGE fps gains in many titles. Can’t complain, plays world of Warcraft no problem 1080p 60-100+fps
Did you try running any games on battery power to see how long it lasts without the dgpu? If you had the option of gaming for 7-10 hours on a g14 in this lower performance mode that could be a game changer
Can we use AMD crossfire mode to use both the amd intergraded and dedicated gpu and boost performance on the asus rog laptop? Seems like it could a be interesting video if possible. Thanks!
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As far as I know, AMD has a link technology for that and the two can work together(combined). I would like to see it too.
Way too many issues with crossfire/sli for that to work. the problem with sli/crossfireis is that it can boost your framerate..... but the game feels worse......more stuuterry, due to the frames being rendered at different times on the gpu. it's the reason almost no one uses sli anymore (that and the fact performance never scaled well with crossfire/sli)
The RDNa 2 si on the steam deck with zen 1 :) amd made a great pari for handhelds. I was impressed of what that could achieved. The future is bright for amd! 60 fps at 720p easy even on my ryzen 9 5900hs graphics. Depending on the game 1080p can be very playable.thr unplayable fps is 23 to 24. 30 up, you are good. of course 60 or 90 is ideal, but depending on the screen, you won't even notice
What is the point of an apu? They could have put a much nicer dedicated card in it and skipped that all together. The 6800s is weak compared to the 3070ti and i would have preferred they put something better in rather than give a good apu that i will rarely use
I'm about to buy a new laptop for college,the one that I want comes with intel 11th gen i5 or amd's 5500u I chose the AMD one because his better battery life,2 more cores and better GPU performance The question is,if its ok to buy him right before 6000 series comes out?
@@ValdemarBing But for college usage we won't really feel the difference,and the new ones for sure gonna be expensive and hard to find Especially that its gonna be my secondary PC.I have my "strong" one at home when I come back in the end of the day
If you are on a budget, u should probably get the old gen because the newer ones even with integrated graphics will be hella expensive because it new and also using expensive internals like ddr5 ram and if its for college i dont think 6 cores is a must.
I’m in the market of buying a good laptop that can handle video editing and good sRB for editing pictures and light gaming like league of legends and maybe some old command and conquer. Is there a laptop you would recommend besides mentioning MacBooks. I’m trying to stay under 1k cuz anything over that I might as well get a MacBook.
Let's be real nobody's going to spend the money due to research go buy this laptop to game on or do Creative work used integrated GPU unless it's a situation where they don't have access to an outlet. but other than that people want to use the brand new 6800s gpu. Which I feel like should have been highlighted on its own
I'm so comfused on why the G14 looks so dim here. It almost lools dimmer than my 250nits 1080p glossy laptop I have right now. Is it just the darkness of the game or was the brightness not slided all the way up? Cause shouldn't the Blade 15 have almost the exact same nit count as the G14
I am an engeering student and i need a 14" laptop for cad and a little bit of coding. Can you recommend me something in the range of 1000 € ?? Thank you
This is the setup I'm aiming for this summer. Huawei Matebook 14s Huawei Matepad 12 pro and the latest Honor phone for Google stuff... The tablet will be a second screen with pen input on Windows as well as any other android app and the phone is the same as well but with files etc.
1:401:52 you mean 30-40% higher than Intel performance in game. Damnnnnnnnn! 3:42 what you mean by not well. Damnn that iGPU ray tracing better than RTX3050 more than 650%. While Intel can't even Ray tracing. This is a blood bath!
umm, so does RDNA2 the same thing as integrated amd navi2 bc im thinking of getting the new thinkpad Z13 and it says it has amd navi2 so are they the same thing or are they different?
I would like to suggest you Mathew to once watch the video of @ETAPRIME ON RDNA 2, it showed that after overclocking, increasing the TDP and with DDR5 ram it was able to run FORZA HORIZON 5 ON HIGH-ULTRA SETTINGS with an avg fps of 66... This is crazy good performance!!!!
I am very excited to see this big improvement in integrated graphics. An AMD APU powered ultra book will have unparalleled versatility for the price.
If only framework laptops had them.
Laughs in m1 MacBook
@@Johnny_73 My M1 Pro MacBook has a crazy amount of graphics performance for the power draw. The entire SOC draws less than half the power than the AMD 5500M in my old 16" pro but is significantly faster. Being able to use that performance on batter power while still getting reasonable battery life is just nuts. It completely changes the way I use my laptop. I'd still very excited to see AMD trying to compete with Apple because a 14" windows laptop with similar power efficiency to my 14" MacBook pro would be just about the perfect gaming laptop.
@@Johnny_73 m1 macbooks have worse gpu than amd igpu
M2 is better 8 to 10%
@@pham3383 dont forget the pro and max m1 chips..
2035: Once a upon a time we used to use dedicated graphics children.
I don't think that's gonna happen with Intel CPUs
I think it will be the otherway round.
Direct integration of GPU and CPU on same SOC has been proven to be better .
@@manjunath414 류じン Jk
@@ADeeSHUPA はい 류진 desu.
2135 maybe
It's incredible how these Ryzen chips increase in speed every generation. My desktop 1700X has similar benchmark results to the 5500U in my Ultrabook. Can't wait to see these 6000 series in action.
@DaKrawnik420 6000series still has around 15% cpu improvement over 5000 series, even with same architecture, because of better 6nm node.
@DaKrawnik420 The 5500U is a Zen 2 based APU, so with a 6000 series APU they would get the improvements step of Zen 3 and Zen 3+(Zen 3+ has no IPC improvements over Zen 3, but should offer higher clock speeds and efficiency, so would give a bit more performance for a given power budget).
All 6000 series APUs seem to be Zen 3+, AMD is releasing some new variants of the Zen 3 APUs, too, but these will be given 5000 series naming, so it appears that AMD has decided to make things a bit less confusing this time around.
@DaKrawnik420 5500U is Zen 2 while the entire 6000 lineup is Zen 3+
There are huge performance and efficiency improvements from Zen 3 to Zen 3+. The improvements from Zen 2 to Zen 3+ are obviously much huger
@@riztiz Many people don't know about it, even a lot of youtubers have been testing laptops just saying "Ryzen 7" without be aware about the big difference between a Ryzen 7 5800u vs a Ryzen 7 5700u .... as in this case....5500u vs 5600u are different!, So, nice comment!
Can't wait?
Not just gpu but most importantly compared to intel is the wattage and battery performance and prices....which always get overlooked.
AMD should've provide 12/9/6 CU SKUs. They only provide 12 CU option or 6 CU and there is a big difference in performance :( The 12 CU option is only available in the most expensive 8 core APUs, like the 6800U (makes more sense for U series). They should've put 9 CUs in the 6600U APU, instead of just 6.
Anyways RDNA2 is finally here for iGPUs and it's fantastic.
Don’t forget yields and defects plays a role here also
Yes they should
@@malathomas6141 was about to mention the same thing :D
It’s possible that with the core configuration, the only options would be multiples of 6, though I’m not sure.
@@Zosu22 may be, I remember once there was Vega 11/8/6, right?
Great review. Much better performance than my 5700G with Vega. Can't wait for the 7000 series.
8700g ;)
Soldered CPU memory on the two gaming laptops I reviewed was a show stopper for me. Very unfortunate manufacturing decision.
Welcome to 2022, most manufacturers do it now.
Wait until they start soldering the memory chips
@@harryshuman9637
Dell gigabyte still can
I hope this isn't change in future
Hope you give the new Blade 14 a review when it comes in. Been looking forward to upgrading to it and would love to see how it measures up/if I could save some money by going for the 3070 ti over the 3080 ti.
Most definitely will be reviewing it!
@@MatthewMoniz Sweet, thanks man!
When will the laptop be available?
The extra price premium they're charging for 2022 means you'll have to save more!
@@harperlee6383 Not to mention there's no RAM upgrades beyond 16 GB, not good for longevity down the road...
Most of the user base is probably concerned about gaming, but I appreciate your inclusion of the creator crew in this one.
If you could expand a little more on the impact of media engines/encoders on the new iris xe and mac m1 setups vs rdna2 and nvenc's lack thereof when it comes to the modern mirrorless codecs (here's lookin at you H.265 10bit 422) that a ton of us freelancers are working with, then that could help a little.
I have a Ryzen 9 3900X and an RTX 2080 desktop, and I have to make proxies for all my H.265 10 bit 422 footage, because it's absolutely unusable. If I had known at the time that I built it that intel would fully support and adopt new codecs, I would have made a different decision in my build!! I use the Canon R5 daily, so that's a whole lot of proxy making that goes into my workflow now, because I don't have a CPU that can natively speak to the compression algorithm of my camera codec.
But hey, it games fine.
from your point of view, should i get the ryzen 5 5600h integrated graphics or should i choose the one with the nvidia mx350 ? is the radeon integrated the same as the mx 350 ?
@@cwfscvfcdsx the mx350 is a dedicated gpu, I am not sure about it's perfomance though
raytracing in these notebooks are more appreciated in architect applications with render plugins or applications, taking advantage from dx 12 and in-hardware ray tracing like twinmotion
yeah, umm no lol. desktop RDNA2 cards tank when RT is turned on, even the 6900XT chugs down to 25 FPS.A laptop low wattage chip is going to run like a slide show. he even said to keep it off with this mobile chip lol. he had some problems with Port Royal also, the RTX 3050 mobile gets double the AMD performance. Im not sure if he had some driver issue
@@kyles8524 You know pixelblock is talking about programs like Blender and Cinema 4D right, not games... Professional applications where even 1 fps would be blazing fast.
@@kyles8524 Otherwise it has to be done on the CPU, which takes ages.
@@Thelango99 excuse me, 1 fps? 15 seconds per frame is considered ridiculously fast in these scenarios, and with my old potato PC, I get 15 *MINUTES* per frame on my CPU, cos haha old gpu go bsod if i try to run render on it
@@danzjz3923 It was just an example, hence blazing fast comment.
I was waiting for my dream gaming netbook, small and light, great battery life that could run old AAA (GTA V, FarCry3, NFS MW2012) or even some modern games. But since the introduction in CES nothing came out yet and I got a great deal on the hp aero 13 running on zen 3, ryzen 5 5600.
So I got it and I'll wait for a good deal on a laptop with ryzen 7 6800 without dedicated GPU, Maybe a sale on the upcoming surface laptop 5.
Ram speeds and timings make a difference too.
I am hype for Ryzen 7000s with RDNA 2. Like just imagine this iGPU with desktop wattage. Crayzeee.
Hoping availability of the 680M improves for ultrabooks this year. The gaming performance of the 680M coupled with the better thermals and effeciency of Ryzen CPUs makes this a solid choice for an all rounder laptop.
I'm still looking for a laptop that doesn't have a dedicated GPU in it. The integrated gpu from AMD is more than enough for my gaming needs. Here's hoping razer will update their razor book lineup as I think that's where the sweet spot will be between performance and pricing.
Some chinese companies make laptops like that, I personally have one.
@@patrikpukan What's the brand and model?
@@dewamscvbvx Honor Magicbook Pro 16 with ryzen 7 4800H. they should make a 2022 refresh, or similar Xiaomi laptops do the same. It's just about what you can get.
Imagine if this were paired with good memory instead of min spec memory. Just look at the 8 VEGA2 CUs and how much better they performance with 4800CL17 RAM than 3200 CL22 RAM
IF you math this out, the 680M at 2200Mhz should be close to 2.5-2.8x faster than Vega8 at 2Ghz. But its not, and i think that s entirely do to memory bandwidth. I really think these laptops would have done great if they either used much faster RAM, or used a 3rd channel with cheap RAM. adding a 3rd channel is not die area expensive, the major hurdle here is the extra pins and board complexity needed to communicate with the RAM
i mean ye but you are comparing right now 50% increase in freq and 20% decrease in latency which is already mind blowing upgrade, with DDR5 you get one of the lowest or to be fair one among the lowest ranked DDR5 modules which really sucks. But yea definitely, RAM moduels are really the bottleneck in this laptops. like imagine 5800MHz ram would be kind of a equal to 2400-mhz -ddr4 ram since each gen just doubles the numbers up and is not realistic or real number and people think ddr5 like 5800 is much better than other ddr4 ram modules which is by far not true. I also found Ryzen 6000 very overvalued for what it is, i mean what they did this year is amazing in laptops, but for a chip to reach maximum performance with vapor chamber and still needs to reach TDP or temprature of almost 100 degrees (96-95 to be more exact) is really just pushing the chip to the very extreme to show such numbers, so that's why i am of such opinion that these chips are more like 5000 version in laptops but with much greater cooling capacities to push them. i hope that makes sense
heck, I've even seen this on the desktop with my Ryzen 5 2400G (which had Vega 11) when I first bought it and paired it with higher clocked/ better performing RAM. I was playing most games at 1080p albeit at low to low/ medium settings while some games here and there were capable of being bumped up to medium high settings. I could imagine the 680M getting a decent boost with higher end RAM and even more so on the desktop with no power limits.
@@nxk5116 My 4400CL19 overclocked to 4933CL17 is about the same total bandwidth as DDR5 5400CL36 of about 73-74GB/s
This is why i personally said that instead of 2 memory controllers on Alderlake, they should have just done a single 3 channel DDR4 controller capable of at least 4400MT/s The kit (currently OC'd to 4800CL17) i have is only $100 for 16GB, and with 3 sticks instead of 2, it would only be ~$150, and offer bandwidth on par with DDR5 6600, while being significantly cheaper, and offering you 50% more capacity
Not really needed, since those laptop pretty much all has dGPU. However, when those 6000U series ultra book cpu come out, ram will be more important.
@DaKrawnik420 Vega2 on Ryzen 4000 and 5000 isnt that bad when paired with a ~$100 kit of DDR4 4400CL19 RAM, problem is most people pair it with 3200CL18 because 'thats what you're supposed to do with Ryzen'
This makes me very excited where we will be 3 to 4 generations from now.
ETA Prime played Forza Horizon 5 in 4K on the 680M and it worked just fine 👀🤯 that’s just mindblowing
That's not 4k he used the resolution scalers which drops the resolution to 1080p
@@chriswright8074 but still imagine saying that about an apu 5 years ago 👀👀
Really wish you would of shown TDP's on both systems. Because Iris Xe really doesn't come alive until 28w or higher. Pushing it out to 40w. Its quite powerful. But at those lower TDPs(10w, 15w or 20w) for like handhelds AMD is far superior.
And low power usage is most important in a laptop
Both XE 96 and 680M are locked to only draw MAXIMUM of 15W for their iGPUs.
@@RNG-999 Uh bullshit? I know the i680m can easily pull 40w by itself if you let it.
This is exactly what I needed to hear before thinking about buying either the steam deck or another handheld-pc. My 3 year old Acer Nitro 5 came with the spectacular desktop 1050ti chip rigged to 4 GB graphics memory (8th generation i5 8300 quad core 8 thread with HT, 8 GB system ram was upgraded to 16GB, original 1TB HDD died, replaced with a 250GB NVME m.2 and 1 TB samsung EVO 860 SATA ssd, and I got a better LCD panel when I busted the original) and as far as I can tell this specific version of the 1050 TI kind of broke the system, as it's able to run many games that specifically say they are 'NOT COMPATIBLE' with the 1050 or 1050 TI at all... such as Elden Ring... which runs flawlessly, and keeps a near rock-solid 60 fps framerate (on medium settings...). The one game that was troubling me was Cyberpunk 2077, and from what I can see that's just due to terrible programming and support in general. Everything else runs beautifully.
The 'mobile' version of the 1050 TI that Acer used in this monster of an 'entry level' gaming laptop, with its 4GB parlor trick, seems to have a LOT more legs than I ever expected when I originally got the machine for less than $700... However, that IS after spending a good $500 in parts over the years :D But this damn thing is FAST... I mean cold-boot-into-windows in 10 seconds FAST. But that's to be expected, when I look over all the components they essentially stuffed a desktop machine into a 15.5" laptop. That being said, they did have some concessions, the original HDD was a write-off, no-name fly-by-night brand and died within 2 years. It also has one of the single worst cameras I've ever seen. Last but certainly not least, it has a battery that's about the size of my cellphone, which on a GOOD day will grant me 2 hours of 'normal PC usage', no gaming, with battery saver turned on. No, the SSD's did not really help there too much.
That being said, for half the price of what I've invested into this machine, the steam deck comes close to the same kind of performance metrics from what I've seen... but that's with an integrated GPU on the AMD CPU, and the same 16 GB ram I'm currently running (which i plan to max out to 32 GB which will probably actually slow my boot time down a bit, an SSD on an i3 will load win10 in about 5 seconds if you have a paltry 4 GB ram.)
Should i get a steam deck? Well, I have a damn good gaming laptop... and I have a switch (lite) already. I think that money would be better spent investing in a new desktop unit, all things considered.
You should get one if haven't already, I have one and it's great, most if not all your games are available and run really well. Valve also has great customer service in case you have a problem, you can even play your switch games with emulation which is pretty easy to do and the controller on the steam deck is more comfortable than the switch ones though the steam deck doesn't have an OLED screen so colors aren't as bright but other than that I highly recommend
How is the power consumption? I think in the topic of intergrated graphics, battery life to performance ratio is more interesting than just pure performance. Because a lot of these devices especially the ones you used as example have a dedicated GPU anyway so in intense workload scenario it's always going to be plugged into a wall to utilize the dGPU. This would really shine if it can rival, well not rival but atleast get closer to what macbook does. Giving performance without needing ridiculous amount of power.
I remember correctly that I played RDR2 with gtx1050 with 8750h laptop DF's Xbox one setting, set to 900p got myself around 28-35fps. This set at High still playable. Awesome!
its faster than a 1050ti laptop
As someone who keeps up with tech as a hobby, this video was pure joy to listen to. It's fun getting excited about something and letting your mind wander. Hopefully innovation keeps up at this level for a long time to come, and more stuff can get integrated into CPUs...
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching
1:40 Wow, that is really impressive figure for an integrated gpu
This integrated GPU needs a dedicated long video.
Really impressive for an igpu, however I know the 6500xt with 16 CU's ( the gimped discreet gpu ) could have most likely been added versus the 12 CU's in the RX 680M or who knows maybe in the near futures
The 6500 XT was a laptop GPU meant to be used along with the RX 600 iGPUs (Hence the 6500 XT has a disabled encoder even if a lower 680 has one enabled)
I love the U series this year !
(not for a pc replacement)
Wish I had this RDNA2 on my 5850U notebook, as the current one really not good. :)
i like how clear and get-to-the-point of your contents
No! Wait it's way better than you think! I'm now working with such a setup. Ultrabook Lenovo Thinkbook Z13 bronze! With exclusive CPU only for this Z13 model, AMD 6860Z & the 680M (32gb,1TB). +++ Everything is running on one cable Thunderbolt 4 (USB C) running 49'' WDQHD display 5120x1440 + 27'' FHD display 1920x1080 + 13,3'' OLED display of the ultrabook 2880x1800 and the USB C provides power delivery as well. Using small dock which is under the largest display. It can handle CAD programs with large assemblies, with over 2000 parts, like nothing ! System memory for APU 680M was only 512MB dedicated, and APU can use up to 16GB shared memory (out of total 32GB ram). Average cpu power consumption during work was 9-10 Watts reported by HWinfo64.
The iGPU competition between Intel and AMD is great. Thanks to AMD introducing Vega iGPUs to give a massive leap over UHD iGPUs it encouraged Intel to develope Iris Xe to catch up and once again this pushes AMD forward with RDNA2. I cannot wait to see how Intel answers this one because a lot of people I know have bought their Xe iGPUs so there is a lot of money to still be made
Without Intel Xe, AMD would not release RDNA2 for their APUs. AMD cripple their APUs with VEGA shit for years.
@@dorfschmidt4833 what do you mean by AMD crippling their APUs with Vega..?
@@Bajicoy Did AMD implement RDNA2 in their last gen APUs ?
@@dorfschmidt4833 Ryzen 2000 to 5000 used Vega iGPUs
@@Bajicoy They could have easily built RDNA2 into the 5000, because the PS5 has RDNA2 and came out before the Ryzen 5000.
Can't believe i bought a entry level gaming laptop with a 1650 instead of a sleeker one with igpu
That's it, I'm firm on my Steam Deck purchase!
lol ya 720p will run way better!
Every laptop user should know this.
1.
Just “raise the bottom” let more air into the machine and you will found cpu&gpu each them reduce 10~15°C or in high usage will have more efficacy
2.
You shouldn’t be use “laptop cooler” , cuz that effectiveness actually just like you put two bottle caps under laptop to raise it.
But the cooler still use your limited power and it will let cpu&gpu become more hungry.
Unless it has an “independent power supply”.
There also very many ways let your experience better , like
“gamer most of the time should limit cpu’s PL1&PL2 and offset voltage”
“discrete graphics card overclock”.
“Replace the thermal paste and clean the fan dust”.
Sorry my bad English,hope it's not too hard to read.
Just want help you gus.
From Taiwan
I didn't watch your whole video but unless the type of CPU in the different computers is presented, we can't make any assumptions about the results of the IGPU - since you yourself stated that CPU is important in Adobe's software.
However, if CPUs are equal in performance, then Adobe users should focus on Intel hardware.
Happy Birthday Matt!!! 🎂
Too bad that the big brands don't build a decent laptop. I bought a Dell Inspiron 13 last December and I had it returned 1mo later. It was the poorest build quality I've ever seen on a laptop, super cheap plastic, issues with Bluetooth and trackpad and buzzing sound coming from the fans.
You should get the latitute or xps. Inspiron are known for their solid plastic.
i just bought lenovo yoga 7 with ryzen 7 6800u in it, and the build quality is superb, with great screen and 2 in 1 capabilities and a surprisingly amazing speaker, it even has a pen included in the box lmao, but you can also check hp spectre x360 and asus zenbook s13 oled in the same price range as mine
@@dexius6375 Good for you, I am super disappointed with Dell. I have worked with Lenovo laptops and they look really nice, haven't seen any complaints
Excellent video, this is exactly what I was waiting for
Edit: the Razer Blade 15 already comes with DDR5 and Intel's 12th gen, so ignore my comment
We haven't seen Intel 12th gen Intel Xe with DDR5/LPDDR5 memory speed yet, so this comparison is kinda "unfair" when the Ryzen 6000 APU's only come with DDR5/LPDDR5 configuratios, but it's what is available for now.
Anyway really nice seeing how much improvements have been made in the recent years for iGPU's!
well, the performance upflift on desktop is not THAT big, so it def. wont save intel here
@@theplayerofus319 because the desktop counterparts have much less EU units. They aren't comparable
@@ashar8192 still wont save it doe 😅 amd is at least in that regard just miles ahead
i think you can find those test on youtube already...
The Razer he is using in this video is a DDR5+12th gen system, so I don't know what you're on about...
What sucks is that they don't have RDNA2 on the Ryzen 3 U series where it would shine the most.
Hopefully they add it in Phoenix-U
Does anyone know when Ryzen 6000 will be available for purchase?
Mid March or Early april
Finally someone who doesn't speak in %(percentage) like it.
Start including music production in these videos, that demographic is also looking for such laptops that have capabilities! Just a suggestion!!!
I am glad that you made a video on the newer processors iGPU performance. That's what I was looking forward to and you did it. Appreciate it.
Thanks for the informative video. This APU looks like a great option for my son's school computer which is required to have 1650 4GB VRAM GDDR6 performance. What ultra-books with a sturdy build that has the APU would you recommend that I look at?
Hi,your son is tricking you into buying a laptop with gaming specs. You can just buy a non gaming laptop for much less price :)
Hello, I have an urgent question and I hope that it finds you (or someone else who might help me) even though the video is a bit older. Did you have a chance to test how well Photoshop works with the Intel Iris XE graphics card? I was just about to buy the HP Spectre x360, wich you tested in the video when someone told me that Photoshop might not work well on an integrated graphics card. What do you think about that? I would be very thankful for an answer :))
hey yo, sup. loving the content btw. cheers.
Glad you enjoy it!
Thanks bro! I was looking for lostark play compare video
I'm seeing the future being that we connect our computers to egpu's instead of having powerful integrated graphics.
Only think that sucks is that you could go easily for an used , 2-3 year old high end notebook without loosing anything. Now there is a big reason to buy a new one , and the prices for your old stuff will drop tremendously.
Am impressed... still going for Intel & NVIDIA combination because of quick sync & NVEC
That's fine, just be aware battery life on Intel 12th gen sucks...
Interesting results. Wonder what RDNA3 APU's will be over current AMD and Intel APU's.
Zen 8000 with RDNA 4 is the tipping point
really really looking forward to ultralight, U series laptops with RDNA2
I overclocked my uhd 770 on my 12700k an extra 621 mhz witch took like 2 minutes lol. HUGE fps gains in many titles.
Can’t complain, plays world of Warcraft no problem 1080p 60-100+fps
Oh. You mean the desktop???
You realize this is a ryzen laptop right????
Did you try running any games on battery power to see how long it lasts without the dgpu? If you had the option of gaming for 7-10 hours on a g14 in this lower performance mode that could be a game changer
Can you help me . Which PC is better. Lenovo legion 7i or HP envy 15 ?
Can we use AMD crossfire mode to use both the amd intergraded and dedicated gpu and boost performance on the asus rog laptop? Seems like it could a be interesting video if possible. Thanks!
As far as I know, AMD has a link technology for that and the two can work together(combined). I would like to see it too.
Interesting question indeed
@ Should be Smartshift
who knows AMD dropped crossfire support for newer cards completely years ago
Way too many issues with crossfire/sli for that to work. the problem with sli/crossfireis is that it can boost your framerate..... but the game feels worse......more stuuterry, due to the frames being rendered at different times on the gpu. it's the reason almost no one uses sli anymore (that and the fact performance never scaled well with crossfire/sli)
While super impressive that AMD has integrated, we buy gaming laptops for their dedicated GPU.
U don't know how long i was waiting for this video
lol hope it was useful for you!
This is why AMD rock! You get decent performance for the money
The RDNa 2 si on the steam deck with zen 1 :) amd made a great pari for handhelds. I was impressed of what that could achieved. The future is bright for amd! 60 fps at 720p easy even on my ryzen 9 5900hs graphics. Depending on the game 1080p can be very playable.thr unplayable fps is 23 to 24. 30 up, you are good. of course 60 or 90 is ideal, but depending on the screen, you won't even notice
What is the point of an apu? They could have put a much nicer dedicated card in it and skipped that all together. The 6800s is weak compared to the 3070ti and i would have preferred they put something better in rather than give a good apu that i will rarely use
APU uses less power. If you just had a discrete gpu your battery would drain insanely fast.
I have a 6600H with a 3050 Ti dGPU I am gonna test out the intergrated graphics after this vid!
They are little monsters, very good integrated gpus from amd this year, they are definitely crushing entry level dedicated gpus.
2:08 damnn this is a bloodbath!
Happy birthday Matt.
Thanks Omar!
RDR 2 30 frame high setting on APU 😯
I'm about to buy a new laptop for college,the one that I want comes with intel 11th gen i5 or amd's 5500u
I chose the AMD one because his better battery life,2 more cores and better GPU performance
The question is,if its ok to buy him right before 6000 series comes out?
Wait for the 6000 series as I'm doing. It's definitely worth it. PS: also need it for college.
@@ValdemarBing But for college usage we won't really feel the difference,and the new ones for sure gonna be expensive and hard to find
Especially that its gonna be my secondary PC.I have my "strong" one at home when I come back in the end of the day
@@gz9361 Yeah, but you mentioned that the battery life is one of your most desired features and 6000 series is way much better in this case
If you are on a budget, u should probably get the old gen because the newer ones even with integrated graphics will be hella expensive because it new and also using expensive internals like ddr5 ram and if its for college i dont think 6 cores is a must.
well intel 12th gen have p series, like a middle man of the h(45w) and the U(15w)series, beside the the series come with efficiency cores too
Yes! An iGPU battle!
Yes! Lost Ark ftw! Loving it, playing everyday.
Technically it’s a top down MMO but I get the Diablo reference with the camera angle.
Can't wait till 7th gen ryzen CPUs come out, Dam the igpu be other powered I would say
When is the new 2022 Asus M16 coming out?
I’m in the market of buying a good laptop that can handle video editing and good sRB for editing pictures and light gaming like league of legends and maybe some old command and conquer. Is there a laptop you would recommend besides mentioning MacBooks. I’m trying to stay under 1k cuz anything over that I might as well get a MacBook.
Thanks, Great vid, a very good topic too.
I am concerned abiut the battery cosumptiom. Wich one will drain the battery faster ?
Nice video
Gaming laptops vs workstations for pro works plz 🙏
Have they hit the market? I can’t find one to buy
When actually this 6000 series laptop going to the market?
Is the RDNA 2 on a laptop has the same performance as the RDNA 2 on a Desktop CPU?
Time for gaming netbooks!
I'm planning to buy Zenbook Duo 14 with intel iris xe. Is it okay for Lumion and SketchUp? For low settings and photo rendering only.
i'm sorry what??? my budget gaming laptop is shit on by the 680m? I dunno if i should be happy or sad.
love my 12 CU 2,4 GHz Radeon 680M!
Let's be real nobody's going to spend the money due to research go buy this laptop to game on or do Creative work used integrated GPU unless it's a situation where they don't have access to an outlet. but other than that people want to use the brand new 6800s gpu. Which I feel like should have been highlighted on its own
3:22 Sounds like Adobe CC before 2019 on macOS when Windows was just so much better optimized...
dang that zephyrus scree looks so dim in comparison . having north of 400nits on a laptop is awesome
I'm so comfused on why the G14 looks so dim here. It almost lools dimmer than my 250nits 1080p glossy laptop I have right now. Is it just the darkness of the game or was the brightness not slided all the way up? Cause shouldn't the Blade 15 have almost the exact same nit count as the G14
Imagine if 6800H get paired with LPDDR5X-8533
Maybe 1 or 2 years more and I will replace my 1060 6GB with an APU... and just connect it to my other monitors
I am an engeering student and i need a 14" laptop for cad and a little bit of coding. Can you recommend me something in the range of 1000 € ?? Thank you
This is the setup I'm aiming for this summer.
Huawei Matebook 14s
Huawei Matepad 12 pro and the latest Honor phone for Google stuff...
The tablet will be a second screen with pen input on Windows as well as any other android app and the phone is the same as well but with files etc.
These new laptops are awesome!
Hoping that you can review the new 2022 m16 that was released.
1:40 1:52 you mean 30-40% higher than Intel performance in game. Damnnnnnnnn!
3:42 what you mean by not well. Damnn that iGPU ray tracing better than RTX3050 more than 650%. While Intel can't even Ray tracing.
This is a blood bath!
Intel has the performance crown, but AMD took all the jewels off it and made a beautiful necklace out of it.
Considering the thermal headroom with the vapor chamber, can one overclock the 680M iGPU?
If so, by how much?
I doubt you can overclock igpus in laptops
AATU provides this capability I believe. However not sure if or when it will work for the new generation
umm, so does RDNA2 the same thing as integrated amd navi2 bc im thinking of getting the new thinkpad Z13 and it says it has amd navi2 so are they the same thing or are they different?
Great video
You could try a rinoplasty, it must be hell to live like this
I would like to suggest you Mathew to once watch the video of @ETAPRIME ON RDNA 2, it showed that after overclocking, increasing the TDP and with DDR5 ram it was able to run FORZA HORIZON 5 ON HIGH-ULTRA SETTINGS with an avg fps of 66... This is crazy good performance!!!!
It was with resolution scaling not native lmao
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe i didn't get that can you explain me
@@yashsinghvi4691 he flicked on the resolution scaling options so the game was probably actually 720p
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe i guess he showed and told that it was running on 1080p
@@yashsinghvi4691 no point arguing with you as you clearly know absolutely nothing.