Review: The Niche Zero Grinder
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Damn
Thx, James. This grinder is still highly sought after. Gangsters may be triggered by this fact...
Thank you so much for pointing out this, I fell for the scam last December, but luckily I was able to get my money back
How much is low because I am looking to purchase one
@@brittanybutler2211 you don’t get one if you order from the scam site
So proud watching this review, thank you so much for making this video James
It is beautiful, it's like watching a little adorable robot from a pixar movie. You should be proud, James tend to dislike everything ha ha, this product of yours gave me hope again :)
@@matinx64 Thank you so much! We are very proud indeed.
Niche Coffee I am very tempted to get one. What are the actual delivery times? And can I order directly with you?
@Andy Williams we will have to get in contact with them!
Please develop a flat burr version :)
I'll sell my e37s for one :D
The biggest praise for this grinder is that James is still using one in his videos months later ;)
Exactly, because of that it’s now on my “want one”-list. Saving up will take a while but I’ll get there eventually.
Yep. At first I was "okay nice grinder", but every single new video it's right there on camera and it makes me think that if James Hoffman himself is using one months and months after review without ever mentioning it - it must be one hell of a good grinder :D
@@Reynevan100 It looks very nice (on video), it's compact so it's it doesn't take up much space in frame and is easy to move around, it's good and consistent, it has very little retention and it's an British brand, I'm sure that means something to him as well.
-- Mostly it’s because his Patreon backers vote on equipment in videos. I’m a backer so I know this.
Exactly. I'm buying one now. +James Hoffmann
I got my Niche Zero recently and came back to watch this, it's worth noting that since the release of this video, Niche have addressed the "popcorning" issue by adding a little plate over the burrs inside the coffee funnel, it prevents beans from popping back out and works quite well!
Thanks for this comment. I figured that's what that clear plastic plate was for, but good to have confirmation before running it for the first time!
And no upcharge
"Do I like anything? ... I do. I do like things." -James Hoffman
Not even slightly profound.
Just to mention, "pop-corning" is promptly addressed by the Niche - they have now NFC disks. And I just had an update, that states: "All new orders will include the NFC disk pre-fitted."
Great work Niche! I'm more than happy to support manufacturers, that listen to the problems of their customers!
That's really great to hear. I've wanted a Niche for a long time, and that's really encouraging. Thanks for sharing that update!
I found this channel quite unexpectedly, and have to say that I absolutely love it. Not only is the content informative, but the presentation style is so neat and cohesive that I believe absolutely every word I heard. Really well done!
I have one of these. It has been with me this last year. Im very happy with it. It is my first grinder. Sometimes I have problems with the adjustment but nothing serious. It is small, minimalist, not noisy, ... what else. Love it. It fits perfectly in my small kitchen.
I wish i could recreate this guys passion levels. If he hates or loves anything to do with coffee he just shows incredible passion for his trade. Probably one of the reasons he is so successful.
Using it for about a year now and I'm impressed. Great for using if you try different beans for espresso as it's quick to dial in. Pour over can be a bit tricky, especially with the marks going up to 50 but sometimes I need to go past the marks for a coarser grind (especially for larger batches and especially for cold drip/cold brew). But overall really good!
I was one of the first 100 Indiegogo backers and from forum traffic late in 2018 probably the 2nd person to receive theirs once the 'perk' was 'fulfilled' hence I have about 9 months using the Niche now (and previously used Macap, Mazzer and Ceado grinders through many years). Good balanced review and echoes that it isn't designed for machine-gunning dosed shots to a queue of customers in the commercial world, simply a superb, low-priced (by coffee equipment standards!) grinder that handles home made espresso, moka-pot, cafetiere and brewed coffee and happily partners with high-end kit. I agree on the popcorning and unless/until a lid with an additional insert is introduced my simple fix has been to use the clear plastic lid of a Pringles carton on the beans reducing the distance those splinters can travel and stopping any from falling outside the edge of the lid :-)
James Hoffmann at cocktail parties in June of 2019: "do you have a moment to talk about minimum retention indiegogo coffee grinders"
As if people invite me to cocktail parties anymore...
@@jameshoffmann I guess that's to be expected with Niche interests
@@sator_project Did... did you post your comment just as a setup for this one
@@AGenericMoron 300 IQ foresight right here
@@jameshoffmann Make more coffee amaro and they will :)
I absolutely love your channel, I’ve learned so much!
I love my Niche. It is a gorgeous machine that just works. I also love that most of the issues here have been resolved. The anti-popcorn disk is genius and works like a charm. You can now have a flat burr set, if you wish. More colours are available. We understand how to repeatably grind coarser for pour-over/filter methods. Sure, my grinder cost ~3x the price of my espresso machine, but I'm good with that too.
I love my Niche Zero. Thank you for the review and helping me decide which one I should get.
8:52 Thank you so much for making a point of this. For months, I've been questioning the reliability of my hand grinder for producing variable sizes. But the "popcorning" makes complete sense in how the final result will end up. Great work as always James!
This is a year later so you may be doing something else by now, but I've started double-grinding with my hand grinder (set at a slightly larger size because most of the chunky pieces will get ground smaller in the second pass) and it's made a surprising difference for the better in the grind consistency I'm getting out of it. Bonus is that it smooths put most of the popcorned pieces coz they tend to go in first on the second pass.
@@xiola What hand grinder do you use?
Really terrific content. I'd like to express my appreciation to you for putting effort into honest, balanced and always insightful reviews. Your channel helped me dial in exactly how far I need to go in terms of equipment, process and knowledge to get truly enjoyable coffee with the amount of effort I'm willing to put in. For me that meant replacing my crusty old filter coffee maker with a nice new Breville/Sage Precision (happily bought via the link in your review), and sticking with good old Peet's (I'm in the SF Bay Area). Throwing you a virtual high five, James!
My best investment in coffee gear by far. 350GBP when published on Indigogo bought me a considerable upgrade from my Mazzer Mini E. No need to waste coffee, dialing for Turkish and then back to espresso with no purge at all, easy to clean and usable when grinding directly into the Portafilter using a funnel.
Probably the last grinder I will ever need.
I love James Hoffman's reviews, in that he goes to great measures to remain principled and remove external biases.
Good review as usual James. I've got 2 of these and have enjoyed using both of them. I was very happy to be a beta tester for the Niche team and was already a backer before I was lucky enough to meet them. I use one for my pop-up events as a decaf grinder and occasionally filter coffee options + if I travel to make some samples for people I always take this. I also have one to use at home and use it regularly for a variety of coffees.
Certainly, I'm pleased with mine. The popcorning is relatively minor, the ease of use and consistency are king. I find the adjustments highly responsive to small tweaks as a batch of beans ages. I dose directly into my portafilter with a funnel resting atop the basket, I used the centering screw for the wooden base to retain a PF cradle so the workflow is even more streamlined.
I love watching your videos, man. Sometimes I'm stressed and need to escape and your detailed, interesting, and original content (on topics that completely diverge from my daily life) is just perfect sometimes.
Could not agree more.
Simply brilliant, I love a simple yet well documented review that includes the pros and cons that a consumer should be aware before buying a product. Keep doing the good work!
Got mine, just amazing!
Dramatic improvement in the cup and the overall espresso experience .
What grinder did you have before?
I really like mine, just love the exact dose control after living with a timer based MC2
I'm thinking about buying this grinder for a long time. For now, I have too many other spendings, but I hope to be able to buy this within next year or so. I chose this one because I want to have one grinder for both: filtered coffee and espresso. Niche has easy grind adjustment and in addition, it's quite small. It's nice to hear your words of approval as I know your reviews are always honest and well thought.
just today its 80% off, so if you still want to get one, now is the time!
The Niche is such a cool product! Bought one a couple of months ago and absolutely love it. I actually sold the Mythos that I was using before right after I got it. They do taste slightly different but not as in significantly better or worse, plus, single dosing makes so much more sense in a home environment. Dialing in is a breeze and storing pre-weighted doses makes my workflow so easy. I do notice that I like to do some WDT before pulling my shot to mix the grinds from the beginning and the end of the grind cycle a bit.
Early adopter & it's a terrific grinder - use it with my ACS Vesuvius machine. To avoid 'popcorning' I place the plastic top of a Pringles can over the beans. Close lid, flick switch & job done. Simple!
Love mine, filter coffee brewed with is comparable to good hand grinders, knock etc. You need to go past coarse setting for chemex and perhaps v60 coffee dose dependent
Wow beautiful, stylish and does what it claims. In my dreams I would own one 💭 so good to hear James with so many compliments
stop dreaming and get one ! It is great - It is all that and more.
I could not resist. Hope to get mine in January 2022. Thank you for covering this.
I bought this machine and brought it back with me from nyc to Córdoba, Argentina in a carry on. I find it beautiful and fun to use and made my first flat white with it today and my coffee was delicious, a big step up from what I had before. I’m charmed by it too. And it has the popcorning guard that helps.
Love the thoughtful dosing cup - should be an industry standard.
Solving problems you didn't even know you had. Hallmark of a great designer right there.
Such a great simple design! and I LOVE the Wood.
It’s great - really enjoy mine. I only brew pour over/Aeropress and you can get the coarseness right by just continuing to move the dot past the coarse setting. I typically set it around the 0 mark on the left, after turning anti-clockwise.
I do have one of these babies and absolutely love it. You can kiss goodbye that little retention by giving a couple solid whacks on the back after finishing the grind (grinder off, please). I usually also tilt it a little to the front when whacking, more out of convenience than any other thing, but maybe also helps. Great videos James, thanks for sharing!
They fixed the popcorning problem by adding this:
"The Niche Flow Control Disc is a simple after-market installation for first generation Niche Zero grinders. Please note that current Niche Zero models come with the Niche Flow Control Disc pre-installed.
The small (40mm), clear disc is made from food grade polycarbonate. When installed into the bean funnel, the Niche Flow Control Disc prevents 'pop-corning' - coffee beans jumping around the funnel prior to being fully fed into the burrs.
Because the Niche Flow Control Disc feeds beans into the burrs at a steady pace the grind consistency is also improved."
"What's the least I have to do, to get great results?" Words to live by 😂
Love the way you do reviews thanks for the upload
Haha, amazing twist "I'm gonna keep it"
sunday morning, laptop, coffee, TH-cam and THIS!!
made my day
Sounds like my favourite Sunday morning! - make it (real) Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee and a perfectly soft-boiled goose egg (7 minutes from boiling or 11 from cold) and you have reached perfection!
Placing a portafilter BACKFLUSH DISK upside down on top of the beans will minimize the popcorn effect. Been using mine for 6 months now and love it. Sold my K10 Barista Pro and never looked back. Because I don't have to sweep out the grinder and double weigh the grinds, the speed to make a shot is much faster. The price point is stunning for the build quality and taste performance.
Brilliant idea. I've been using an old Pringle lid for the same purpose.
I do the same... pour the beans into the funnel, invert a blind portafilter basket over the beans, start the Niche. No muss, no fuss, no popcorning beans dancing about. I am very happy with my Niche Zero.
@@Cenot4ph The Sette range of grinders have a cover that you can rotate into place. It's not intended for this purpose, it's intended to prevent the beans from falling out the bottom if you remove the hopper, but it handles that well, just as long as you close it as soon as the beans allow you to.
I suspect that any grinder with an equivalent feature is probably going to be able to do that.
I currently have the K10 PB and am thinking of making the same change. A year later how are you getting on with the Niche?
@@jh-kx6kj Still works like a charm. Highly recommend this grinder. I'm sure you will be elated with the ease of prepping for a shot.
Acquired it in the late summer of 2021. Arrived around the end of November and ever since it transformed my overall enjoyment of espresso drinks into a small home barista art. If I was to look to complain about something, since there is nothing obvious, is the fact it is still sold only in white and black color versions. I currently own one in US but have an intent to get at least one more for other locations where we are fortunate to have a kitchen equipped with an espresso machine. Just a great piece of machinery at a reasonable price for what it delivers....oh and by the way Niche has addressed the "popcorning" issue by adding a little plate over the burrs inside the coffee funnel, so lucky for me, I didn't have that negative experience at all.
I have two of these after getting the Decent Espresso grinder. They are in two locations and only for home use. I couldn't be happier and have not really had the pop corning effect.I use the Decent Espresso machine and these grinders are easy to dial in and use.
I had watched your terrific review of the Niche Zero and after a year I decided to purchase one of the new black models.
I have become a mad scientist checking on the retention levels of the Niche using different coffee beans and grind sizes. I can honestly say the retention level isn’t “amazing small” It as become a non issue.
I have never had anything larger than two tenths of a gram.
And in a Great majority of measurements, it’s one tenth or zero retention. I do have a method to keep it this low, and I find it simple.
+++Just tap on the top of Niche with some exuberance a few times.+++
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Have it a year now. Love it. Consistent shots. Pleasure to use. Moving from dry Madrid took humid Brussels some little change. Bit more retention, bit more popcorning. But still all good!
Just got my Niche! It is fantastic. Thank you for helping me find it!
James your videos are so informative I love the intro outro too. Just wanted to say that my old friends here in Australia usetoo say *pulling shots* they were talking about smoking weed in a bong. Not coffee. But years go on and I like your positivity better
I learned a new coffee geek term today... "popcorning" and now I have one more thing to obsess over.
Hi James, great video on an interesting product. Would love to hear your review of Etzinger grinders. Thanks.
Great review. I have a Niche Zero and previously a Eureka Mignon. I am so happy to use the Niche. Great results, easy to use and simplifies my workflow. I'm happy!
Better than the Mignon? When it comes to Coffee (espresso) taste ?
Ben the Niche is far superior in my opinion. It's a great machine.
I bought one of these after seeing this video. I already had a Baratza Sette 270 that works very well as a single dose grinder. There have been issues with my Sette but Baratza has been supportive and it continues to produce a very uniform grind. The Niche is easier to use. Much easier to see the grind settings when you go to change them and it goes further into the pour-over range than the Sette. It is also quite a bit quieter. Not silent but important at the time of day it is used. It also does not spray as much coffee dust around my counter as the Sette. There is still dust but not as much. It does have the plastic disc on top to reduce 'popcorning' but the hopper is still too small for more than a mug's worth at a time. In the US it is twice the price of the Sette but if it proves as reliable as it appears it is worth it.
Thanks for the review. I was an early backer on Indiegogo and have had the Niche Zero for months. I really wanted the (near) zero retention and this grinder has been great. Grind adjustment is so easy, and its quiet.
Steve Frankel I would really like to buy this product but to be honest the whole backer payment thing scares the hell out of me it says in the small print that you’re not guaranteed to receive the product how did you pluck up the courage to put the money down? And do you think when this comes to market properly it will be much more expensive? Would really love to hear your thoughts thanks
@@dylanthedyslexicvillain4294 Its in Full Production now. Way past the risky stage. They have shipped thousands of units already. No known issues so far. Best addition to my set up, ever...
Toaster Boy Thanks for the reply, I actually bought one and I agree with you best addition to my coffee set up too thoroughly pleased with it.
I was one of the original backers of the ZPM Nocturn back in my poor 2011 uni days and I noticed that cameo at 54.5 seconds 😭 Very sneaky.
New to your TH-cam channel and really enjoyed this video. I've now watched about 10 of your videos and will be subscribing. Keep up the good, thorough testing!
Picked up one of these as a Christmas gift for my better half. It really is a great grinder. Extremely well built, simple and highly effective, minimal to no waste and ridiculously easy to dial in. We pull shots typically in the morning and before or after dinner. This thing gets the job done. You do have to measure your beans before tossing in if you want to be more precise but that takes about 20 seconds. Have this paired with a gaggia classis pro. Great espresso and americano at home
Thank you for your comments. Does this grinder do well for more coarse grinds? Thank you for your reply. You have a great set up. I am looking at the Sage double boiler. Any suggestions?
You are just an amazing weaver of words. Thanks for everything!
Sorry, unrelated comment: I sat down to watch this in my studio. Halfway through the video my assistant (who's never seen one of James' videos) walks in and goes "Oooooh my gosh what a soothing voice! I could listen to this guy ALL DAAAAAAAAY!" 😂
John O. I cant watch his videos near my wife because she said he looks very swarve 🤨
Craig Ezard swarve 🤦🏻♂️
Coffee ASMR. Perfection.
Yes.....agree re the soothing voice. @jameshoffman ....I don't want to imply that you send me to sleep but I find if I watch one of your videos just before bedtime.....I get to sleep really quickly!
The Barry White of coffee industry 💚
Thank you, @jimseven, for another informative and thoughtful review of a new kid grinder on the block. I don’t think I’ll be adding another electric grinder to my kit in the foreseeable future, but it’s interesting to consider all the issues that you mentioned such as pop-corning, the 58mm metal grounds bin and retention. I think I’ll just stick with an under appreciated (hacked) Hario Slim for hand pulled espresso and an (unnamed) electric workhorse that doesn’t seem to ever want to die (knock on wood) for the rest.
I’m loving my nich. There is significant retention sadly but this has improved a lot since I cleaned it all down and recalibrated.
I am a happy nice grinder zero user for about almost a year right now. I am so happy to see this review which i am quite totally agree with. I use this grinder especially for filter coffee and I have to say I have always pleaseant results. As for the pop corning i do the same thing some other did, I stop for a second and turn on again. Other interesting aspect, especially compared to the encore is that is less noisy (i don't know if you thought the same). Beautiful design, easy to take away with you. A beautiful indie gogo story this time. The only issue (talking from Italy) is the price; for home use in Italy people thought that this grinde is just too expensive. But I think we will hear always more about the guys from Niche! Thanks for the video!
How taste Filter Coffee compared to a good hand grinder?
Hi Lucas. I just ordered my Niche through Indigo. Should arrive to my home in Austin, TX be the end of the month. I do not make espressos. I make Chemex and French press. What settings do you use? Will this machine do a consistent coarse enough grind? I'm currently using Baratza Virtuoso+. Also, It seems the burr on the Niche is of much higher quality than the Baratza. Thanks so much.
@@jacobpetersen5662 no problem at all! You can rotate as much as you want to go coarser on coarser and the consistency is really really good (i use chemex too). The burr quality is very good and the grinder is much more silent compared to other :)
@@CoffeeAndLucas At 63mm, the price is unbelievable Affordable I think. The 42 on my Baratza Virtuoso lacks a tiny bit for me. I'm hoping the Niche to be a tad more consistent in its grinds. I just ordered it this morning through Indigo. SUPER stoked!
Thanks for the quick reply Lucas. Glad to hear I'll be good with the Chemex and French press.
I moved from mazzer super jolly to Niche and I think it improved my shots tremendously, not just because that this has superior grinding compared to mazzer SJ but because of the simplicity of workflow. This is so simple for new home baristas out there to dial and get consistently good shots.
Only complaint for me is pop-corning so I have used a hack to reduce it . Havent quantified the difference but works
Wow, that is a high praise indeed, Niche vs Mazzer SJ.
I own a Niche Zero since 2019, it was my first grinder and im very happy with it. I am not upset with the retention, i am not upset with the popcorning, ... Yes, I have noticed some problems but they were more due to the fact that I started in the world of specialty coffee and did not have enough experience in handling the equipment.
Nice product and definitely something I would consider, I like to brew different types of coffee using different beans all the time and I didn’t like the wastage every time I change setting!
I took the risk during the preorder phase and have been using mine for a while now. What didn't get mentioned (directly) is the ability to change between espresso and filter coffee. The dialing stays the same, so if it was 17 for espresso, it's going to be 17 later as well, even if you do filter coffee in between. I do this adjustment almost daily, morning coffee through Moccamaster and later during the day some other variety (cappuccino usually).
That answered the one question I had - thanks!
Hey just wanna ask, what dial setting are you using for filter coffee(take v60 for example)? I cant seem to find a right setting for it. Had been getting a heavier bodied coffee with this grinder, which I dont prefer. So just wanna understand the preference on everyone’s filter setting.
@@isaacgun Depends slightly on the coffee I use, but as a general rule of thumb, I'm using around 0 (one rotation to coarse direction).
Michael Burman hi I really want to order this Grinder but the whole contribution buying phase scares the hell out of me, in the small print it says many times that there is no guarantee you will get it, how did you pluck up the courage to put the money down do you think it’s a risk worth taking, and do you think when they start selling this properly it will be much more expensive? Would love to hear your thoughts
@@dylanthedyslexicvillain4294 I think you better contact Niche Coffee for that one, but I assumed at this point it's a guaranteed buy already (it's no longer preorder).
Does anyone else love watching his reviews on things they'll never be able to afford? His voice is so calming and I feel like I always learn a lot.
I think I watched this video at least 5 times since it came out ... My old Grinder died this week and I knew I wanted to get an upgrade but wasn't sure if the Niche Zero was right for me. But thank you James for including this product in a lot of videos, made the decision real easy, I just bought one an hour ago.
I like your way of reviewing the products, really convinced me to check this product - niche zero if it’s available in our local.
that musical hit @ 0:55 👌🏼 the needledrop approves.
@@jameshoffmann Woahh I didn't know you watched tnd! What're you listening to right now?
I’m a Texan who likes French press but I can’t stop watching your videos. Keep on kicking ass.
The great Mr. Hoffman, love your vids
Having this grinder in its most recent iteration is quite amazing. The flow control disc and the cleaner smooth double walled dosing cup are very premium
Excellent review, James. I've had mine for about 3 months now, and it is like a precision instrument to me which is consistent and so easily and instantly adjusted for a variety of beans and brewing styles, with effectively zero maintenance and concerns.
I'm not doing espresso (yet), but I'm quite particular about my single-cup brewing (mostly using the little Technivorm Cup-One brewer), and this little fellow fits so wonderfully and perfectly into my coffee brewing workflow.
I don't have a particular problem with the "popcorning" effect; as others have already said that can be quickly mitigated by briefly stopping/ starting (I do this by quickly and barely lifting and dropping the lid, which momentarily activates the safety interlock switch). But usually, I just let that last 1 or a couple of beans pop around until it's done...usually I'm doing other things to prepare for setting up the next cup anyway and it's only a few seconds extra to wait.
I expect this to be the last grinder I ever purchase, and bought it in the first place for the apparent convenience and precision (and I've not been disappointed), and with the long-term plan to someday replace my little Nespresso with a real espresso machine.
do you think it will work well for a regular Moccamaster- more than 1 cup I mean.
I had seen the niche before, and at first, it had my curiosity. But now it has my attention.
Got the chance to see the grinder at a dealer. Looks beautiful and simple at the same time. And most importantly, it was after the review, so it's not just another grinder.
I have a little E2E Saeco machine and very little counter space, but this video still makes me want one of these
I really have been eyeing one of these for a few months now. I still really like my 270 but man the styling the of the Niche and how well it has been performing has me wanting to scoop one up.
Did you the up upgrading? How does it compare to the 270 with regards to the grind quality for espresso?
I've been using mine for almost a year now. I roast my own coffee and I have 40 origins with maybe 8 to 10 'on the go' at a time. To get my target of 18.6g of beans, 25 second pour, 25g of pour with 9 bar on the pressure dial I have a grind setting for each bean. I thought initially that I would have to keep adjusting those numbers whenever I changed anything, like clean the grinder, re-zero the calibration etc. But in fact the repeatability is so good that I have exactly one number for each bean (15 through 22) and that number remains accurate over different roasts, over cleaning and re-calibrating, and if I grind 9.3 grams each of two beans or 6.2 grams each of three different beans, I can grind each with its own number and get absolute repeatability. If I grind a bean one number too high (or too low) I will see the pressure go above 9 bar (or below), and the pour will be slower (or quicker). If I combine two beans and grind them with a number which is the average for the two beans things go slightly out of kilter: It depends which bean gets into the PF first, the too coarse or the too fine. Easiest just to grind each bean separately - unless of course they have the same grind number. Luckily there are a lot of '17' beans. Coming from a cheaper grinder (the Rancilio Rocky) I absolutely love the precision and repeatability and the zero retention. The Rocky lasted me 13 years but has around 3g to 5g of retention. The NZ has negligible retention. I used to just use 'one scoop' with the Rocky and weighing accurately would not increase 'repeatability' of the pour very much. Now I see a repeatable difference in the pour between 18.2g and 18.6g of beans (Equivalent to about 0.5 in grind setting). Never going back!
Hi Patrick! Retention aside how would you rate the grind quality of the niche zero in comparison with your old rancilio rocky? Do you also use the niche zero for pour over? If yes, what’s your feedback?
Got my Niche a couple of weeks ago. Got an Eureka Specialita also.
My opinion: I am very happy, especially with the chance to mix up beans right before grinding. Espresso is very tasty, popcorning is no issue anymore - after they introduced the "smal plastic" thing. This prevents beans from jumping up out of the burrs and keeps them down. Works!
Processing speed could be a bit higher, but my coffee routine is quite relaxed and I am using the grinding time to flush and wipe out the portafilter etc.
Despite the design everything is nicely done. I Prefere black, that covers the "roundness" in shaping a bit.
Finally in 2021 there is an 150.- Euro / GBP additional customs fee.
Lifting the price tag on a "not cheap anymore" level.
But as James stated - its fun to use and definetely charming in a way. For home users with no need to hurry its a good choice for a tasty espresso.
I am using my comandante for filter coffee - so I am not able say how good Niche Zero would taste in comparison. But in my eyes it should be on a high level - differences may not be that big. Maybe I dont even would recognize it(?)
It's certainly refreshing to see a successfully crowdfunded product and I've loved using mine so far
How would the grind quality compare with a good hand grinder like the Kinu M47 for example? @JamesHoffmann
So Happy to hear you say niche. I literally watched you say that 10 times before watching the rest of the video. THERE IS NO "T" in NICHE!
Hi James! You may remember me from your trip to Hong Kong. This is Martin of the florist hybrid cafe, Hayfever. I first like to wish you and your family are safe and sound and free from any viruses. I was driven to leave this message as this is a coincidence that I saw this grinder recently in my friend’s coffee shop and I distinctively remember the “popcorning” (nicely described, by the way!) at the end and was not sure of the effect. Then a few days later, this video popped up! Totally appreciate the in-depth analysis which cleared up some of the doubt as I was intrigued to get one, as it is beautifully designed and built. Anyway, thank you for your contributions to the coffee industry and good luck!
Thanks for the in-depth review. Great stuff
Hello James
For the popcorning issue, they actually fixed it by adding a part called Niche Flow Control Disc. You can buy it for $10 I think.
Thank you for your review, I wish I can afford to buy this coffee grinder one day.
This disk does’t fix the problem with popcorning, just covers it)
@@StePayne1983 popcorning isnt the issue, its the inconsistency created by having the last few beans popcorn. the disk makes the flow consistent so even if the beans bounce they are all flowing into the burrs at the same rate making a better overall shot.
$10 for a piece of polycarbonate that costs $0.1 on a bad day, lol. Ridiculously overpriced just like the rest of the machine.
@@demoniack81 It's free the $10 is for shipping it. Also the disk is included since Feb. How do you figure it's over priced compared to what else is on the market? Or are burr grinders in general out of your price range?
@@durkadur27 I'm not even taking blade grinders into account, they seem horrible to me and if you don't want to buy a burr grinder you may as well just buy preground coffee.
Point is you can buy decent conical burr grinders for 100-160€ (Graef CM702, CM800) and excellent ones for 250-350€ (Baratza 30, Baratza 270); I'm sure there's many other good ones I'm leaving out.
The only trick the Niche has up its sleeve is the low retention, which is just a function of how the grinder is angled and doesn't justify this massive price hike with anything other than "because we can".
Is that really worth 200 to 400€? I don't know Rick, seems overpriced to me, but maybe it's just me.
10$ to ship something that comfortably fits many times over in a 1€ envelope is still ridiculous, especially considering that it came out to fix a design flaw in a supposedly premium product that costs *550€.* It should have been free of charge.
Can you make it grid fine enough to make Turkish coffee?
Probably, yes - but I'd drop them a line about it if you're considering it and this is a requirement.
whoa larry bundy jr is a coffee aficionado
What I want is to grind it back into its component molecules. I'm realistinc enough not to want to get it down to the quark level.
Looks great for the shop - we keep a beat up SJ empty on the counter for when we’re experimenting with new coffees for single origin espresso. It’s big, heavy, ugly and inconsistent due to retention. This looks perfect for that job.
Man two months earlier and I might have gotten this. I love how slick and simple it is. Although, I’m pretty happy with my Baratza sette 270wi
so you DO like something after all! (remember the can coffee-cola video?)
This thing is absolutely gorgeous. I almost don't care that it grinds coffee at all. I want it just a as a sculpture.
Enjoying your channel so much. I spend several hours a week on kidney dialysis and your videos are a welcome distraction. Thank you so much for your efforts to make quality viewing material!
I got absurdly excited when I saw that James had reviewed my grinder lol. :-D I love the Niche so far, though it is my first proper grinder so I can’t compare with others really. I really wanted a low retention single dose grinder that wouldn’t look terrible in my kitchen, and I stumbled into the Niche at just the right time it seems. Great review as always.
Great video! This is how you do the second marker for anyone that is interested.
1: Set the grinder to 50.
2: With grinder set to 50 put A SECOND mark at 0 (I just used a blob of tippex).
3: You should now have 2 markers; the original marker at 50 and a second (tippex) marker at 0.
4: now set the second (tippex) marker to 20 (for reference the original marker will be around the back of the dial around where the allen key socket is).
With this technique I set the Niche to around 65 for V60. I've also been using the 4:6 V60 method which needs a slightly coarser grind and for that I'm set around 80.
I've had mine from launch, love it, great tasting coffee, really easy to use and switches between filter and espresso without a problem.
Does niche in coarse grind setting left any muddy powder after the last pour? If it didnt i would love to order 1 for that price 😂
Hi James, How do you compare it to a wilfa uniform when we talk filter coffee?
If you like filter, buy high end manual grinder. If you dont mind manual grinding.
Corwin Black I do use high end manual grinders, it I travel. At home I do want a Electric grinder, Like I use a electric kettel 😉
I backed it on the 2nd round of the early bird so got it for a bargain. While waiting I bought an EK43 with Turkish burrs and a 'Franked' Versalab M3. I've used all three together when the Niche arrived. I've got to say it holds it's own between the other two behemoths. It's about the same size as a Versalab/Titus (but dwarfed by the EK). The grinds cup is great, and actually lives on my EK as I've got the Niche paired with a La Pavoni at my gf's house and it goes brilliantly with that in her small kitchen. I have a chopped yoghurt pot that sits in the pf of the La Pav and I grind directly into that. Yes the clarity isn't there compared to the other 2, but you can't really compare them as they each cost a small fortune and the Niche doesn't. But it's very good and I've had some smashing shots on the la Pav, and on my Speedster when I used it with that. I've used it for Chemex as well, and I've had some very nice brews. It's very easy to use, just weigh out some beans, chuck them in and switch on. While it's grinding you can do something else like wash the filter paper on the pour over, or steam some milk ready for a flat white. @Niche Coffee has done a great job and it was nice to meet Martin & Co recently and talk about it.
Coming from a Compak k3 touch and I really love my Niche! I drink 1-2 espressos each day and the near zero retention is very welcome! I love to not having to purge between each shot as well. Also the grind sound is of a lower, more appealing, frequency then my Compak grinder. I only use it for espresso so for me the low capacity isn't a problem at all. Popcorning isnt really an issue for me. It's there but it's just for a couple of seconds. However if it makes my shots inconsistent (haven't noticed that much but I'm not OCD about it either like some may be) it isn't ideal I guess.
Really love my little niche at the end of the day!
I remember in an earlier video you don't have an espresso machine at your home. If you were to get a consumer/prosumer level espresso machine for home what would it be?
I'm moving house and looking at Gaggia Classic Pro if you have thoughts
bought one last night and picking it up today. get out of my head james!
I really, really enjoy your reviews. I don't know if it is your British dry sense of humor but I just have to chuckle sometime during everyone of your videos. Thank you for the very entertaining commentary and keep up the great content. You are the one that has turned me into a coffee nerd; so much so that I want to build my own grinder!!
I really enjoy how analytical your comments are and that you are fairly unbiased. You do say what you prefer, but you are upfront about it.