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I deal with regens every 250-300 miles. There is Absolutely no reason for an efficient engine to be choked with filters, and liberal tears. Injector technology will not cure the ever occurring emissions FAILURES. Why would I spend 70k on a truck to deal with having to buy New Injectors, that will only cost even more, and still have the same problems.
I get it…here’s something the Canadian performance boys did years ago….they learned the phrase “Off road use only” then they leave it up to the customers…pretending that the EPA isn’t a Bureaucracy that’s been funded by lobbyists and proponents of all the manufactures of the exhaust scrubbing systems is almost as stupid as thinking that peeing on a fire somehow cleans the air 😂…you guys should open some physics and chemistry books ….or just start inhaling your own farts doing wind sprints up hill 👍
*Got stuck on 3k mile trip DEF code $1500+ hotel, FYI Rislone came out with DEF TANK TREATMENT def crystal clean supposedly cleans def system Ect, 2 1 types for maintenance and other to clear code dissolves crystals Ect. ( do not turn ur truck off if it say low def! Stop autozone by Rislone def crystal clean and fill def tank while running, if u turn truck off it could throw a code just FYI “says a diesel mechanic in Florida” hope this helps someone as learning $2k my way wasn’t fun on the pocket!*
I work for a major truck repair buisness. And we see around 75/80% of the trucks that break down, or are towed in are due to emissions related failures.
8 months late but I agree, I drive trucks and all of the trucks I drove with a dpf or def and def always broke for some reason all the time. And the whole re-gen thing, use how much fuel to burn the shit in the filter for what? So what about all the fuel that was used? That's why I don't even go near the new trucks now, I learned my lesson. Even my pick up I totally restored down the motor brand new and it's a 2002. This video is a bunch of shit.
So new tech, or tech that is not refined is not allowed to have a break in period now (for lack of a better term)? Cars in general when they first came about where unreliable pos, yet the wealthy still bought them. Then when the price finally declined reliability improved little by little. My point is you don't make something fool proof right off that bat...ever.
Yes. It is a high-cost failed attempt at government-mandated emissions control systems. That will force the public into polluting just to prove something needs to be done. When it is the government that is the problem and falsely putting the blame on the consumers.
I wonder with this new Chevron ruling, if some company out there will challenge that law. It should be pretty easy if they collect data on the reliability of not having all the emission BS and plastic jugs of DEF.
Because it’s it as good, I have both emissions compliant and in the past not s emissions compliant. Guess that they’re doing it now and promoting it to save their business TD is a solid company but this emissions crap is killing it for everyone
@@AsianNIGMA WHAT EVER BRO.... That doesn't change the fact that an otherwise reliable and powerful diesels weak point is its emissions system and power restrictor... Any performance adder witl preform better without the restrictions limitations.
Idk TD My old lp5 tuned that put 530hp to the ground ate its first trans at 7k and once again 27k and then I bought a tuned and deleted 6.7 and haven’t had a lick of issue in 90k miles now Lp5 look good on paper but then out that paper in the trash
@@andrewhatton1606 glad to hear that your a cop stop bothering these guys and come to Chicago and nail some real law breakers like all of these car jacking gang bangers wielding guns .
The only argument needed is limp. Something in your emissions systems fail it will either limit your truck or totally disable it. I didn’t spend 70k on a truck for the crown to tell me when I can or can’t drive it. Because that’s what emission systems on these trucks do. Some people use their trucks for their livelihood and small time guys running a single truck to make a living cannot waste time and money with their trucks in a shop chasing bull shit problems for non essential parts. So the only anchored trucks are emissions intact trucks period.
My 2011 Ford Powerstroke is not deleted and it tows a camper at 14k lbs. It gets 10-12 mpg towing and 18-20 mpg not towing. It has 113k miles and I have had nothing but normal maintenance items that I do myself. I did have one nox sensor go that was replaced by the dealer. I do not drive in city traffic so I guess that is a good thing. Even the ceramic bearings in the turbo are good. Everyone complains about the turbos because of the ceramic bearing but if they are treated right they will last. I also live in warm region that rarely gets below freezing so I have no cold weather start-ups and the truck is garage kept.
@@johnmac4769 That's good you've had good luck with your truck but these new diesels with all the emissions equipment won't make a half million miles like a deleted or older diesel truck. Unfortunately you will probably have costly emission equipment issues with your truck with the mileage getting higher.
Emissions delete became popular because of reliability. All these shops going epa dont even hit on the poorer reliability of emissions compliant trucks. Egr will clog. Dpf will clog. Regens burn the truck up. Def is an extra cost ontop of rising diesel prices. Sensors on all the epa stuff fails and ruins truck. Deleting wasnt just for power gain. It was reliability.
@@billycritser174 why your comment doesn't have more traction confuses me. The people who wanted to black smoke are a small percentage vs the people who wanted to tow or haul without being stranded.
You will NEVER convince me that a non deleted truck is better than a deleted truck. These were never designed to have this garbage on them, all governments mandated. Here’s a fact, no military vehicles have emissions.
Well said. They believe in the liberal war on the working class and are a big company who had no choice but to abide by the law and try to keep making money. Some of us won’t back down and are lucky enough to run deleted. I love the “cop arresting you” argument. I’m telling you “inside info here” cops DONT CARE. They are on our side. I guess u never know when u might need it in the future so I’ll hold onto my stuff….but in the meantime I enjoy not having my trucks balls cut off.
Alright, you guys have fun with your emissions repairs, I'm gonna be over here in my deleted "anchors" with no emissions that run cooler and burn less fuel and cost half as much to repair.
@@kevinoneill41 right, nothing like dumping buckets of DEF along with all the plastic jugs it comes in while dumping extra diesel fuel into the exhaust and claiming we're saving the planet. What a load of garbage!
The diesel performance podcast has me pretty convinced that emissions tuning can make comparable HP. Problem is no one has made a performance dpf that enhances sound. My inner child refuses to let me drive a truck even if it has 600hp if it sounds like a minivan.
@@miguelitomigra543 you’re right for one and for two tuning a truck imo with emissions crap just adds to an already compounded problem. Egr and dpf will eventually Nuke the engine period
I had no problem trading in my deleted 6.7 Cummins last year to a large Houston area dealership. They even advertised it for sale saying it had a tuner. In Texas we don't have diesel emission testing so deleted diesels reselling is not an issue.
A 2nd gen ram cummins can be built pretty much perfect and pretty for way less $$ than what it costs for a newer DPF/DEF running truck. I'll just keep upgrading and fixing my 01 and 02 thank you. The EPA can KMA!
I believe the opposite. I feel like emission compliant trucks are junk. I’ll never sale my deleted cummins, after a million miles and the motor blows up I’ll consider it worth every penny. These emission trucks will likely not make it past 500k. There’s no question in my mind.
Can we all grow a pair?! Let's stand up to this absolute bull. It's obvious that none of us want it. So, why is it then that this is the law? We're not getting a "vote." Let's free ourselves! I work in finance... We MUST decentralize money worldwide or forever we are slaves. Robert Breedlove has a plan...
I was left on the side of the road a few years back with a some failed sensors, trailer in tow. Got the whole Milage count down and everything, but was heading from NH to WV so 150 miles doesn’t help much 2am on a Sunday. Long story short I ended up with a huge tow bill for my truck and 14k trailer, lost my drilling contract for the job I was heading to, had hotel expenses, and a rental car expense. Truck took a week to get repaired and cost me a big contract. I understand that trucks are mechanical objects subject to breakdown, if it was an essential part I’d be more understanding.
I own two Chevy trucks that have the 5.3 one is a 1999 and one is a 2005, they have never left me stranded and they have always warned me when something was coming due to be replaced. I also own a 2006 Duramax, the turbo started warning me it was time for a new one, never left me stranded. My Duramax is in pieces right now, decided everything that touches the turbo will be new, high flow everything. If you stay up on maintenance with the older trucks I have yet to be on the side of a highway.
03 F350 with 6.0 fully loaded gooseneck enclosed trailer running an average of 65 mph, I average 12.5. Full delete and bulletproof on a 245,000 mile truck with original transmission as well.
I remember an old timer diesel mechanic comparing the def/ddp system to being a marathon runner and have a mask with a pip up your rear and reusing you farts haha and amazingly I’ve experience the difference and deleted performances better 🤷🏻♂️
It's almost like the EPA are straight up brainwashing them. Even "beyond appalling" doesn't even come REMOTELY CLOSE to describing how out of hand this has become.
I had a talk with a gentleman with a '13 powerstroke 6.7 dually he tows a 3 axle 40ft toy hauler. Before he deleted, 6 mpg, after he deleted 13 mpg towing and 20 empty. I have an 05 duramax dually that struggles to get 12mpg with a slide in camper but I have my egr and cat. Deleted trucks run better.
My titan xd didn't do a whole lot better if amy when I d3l3ted, but whem I changed over to. Mishimoto 180 degree thermostat I got over 1mpg better on the same trip I make from north of Austin to New Mexico. Granted I'm lifted with 34 inch tires but u went from high 14s (wind blows hard once you get to West Tx) to 16. Thats going 78-80mph. Of course the 3.92 gears on the XD don't help fuel economy either because at 75 im turning 2000rpm vs 1600-1700 in the ram 2500 company truck.
I live in a state where there are no emissions inspections. If you live in one of those states just keep all your parts and reinstall them before you sell. Simple. The increased fuel efficiency is well worth a delete. Especially with the cost of diesel.
With the engine properly tuned with. Unrestricted clean cold air intake and exhaust that isn't restricting the outflow tuned down low fuel boost equals less black smoke in stop and go. With a properly heated engine. The emissions versus HP and MPG will be hard to beat. Now add up the downtime.
I could care less about how fast dpf intact or dpf deleted trucks are. Ppl delete becouse they are afraid of beeing stranded somewhere with there family's and or cargo, especially if there is no cell service or dealers or dealers not open becouse its a holiday. Make DPF and SCR systems bullet proof and you would eliminate 80% of people that would delete there trucks. Modern diesel truck will at some point leave you stranded with the stock running gear. MFGs need to perfect these systems, these trucks are fast enough stock.
@@thoroughbreddiesel 4k? That’s it? Chevy dealer wanted 8k to replace the entire dpf on my bosses lml duramax. He got it deleted for way less then that and it hasn’t had a single issue since then.
The only reason they are pushing to modify emissions equipped trucks is because they are on the chopping block like Diesel Brothers who just got fined almost a million dollars for deleting and modifying emissions. They are a business who wants to keep selling people extremely over priced stuff. Basically they are trying to comply with the government and stay in business. I have no doubt these guys could make big leaps with emission equipped vehicles ford dodge and GM do it every new model. More power every new motor and more emissions. If they can these guys can. No one where I’m from is being arrested or ticketed even for deleted trucks and I live in north Idaho and grew up in Washington I live right by the state line. No one cares. They stopped testing emissions in Washington beginning 2020. Also in Washington if you owned a diesel newer then 2007 you were exempt from emissions testing as well. I’m sick of this conversation. If you can make a stock truck faster and more power that’s great but don’t try and tell me it ain’t going to fuck up the gigantic exhaust filter they all have just so your company stays afloat. I run heavy equipment for a living and this is also a huge down side to that trade. Cat used to be an awesome company with quality machines they barely make it to their first 1-2000 hours before you have some kind of emissions related issue. Last I checked cat stopped making on road diesels because of this issue. We bought a brand new komatsu wa600 in 2017 Before 5000 hours we replaced the egr cooler 5 times due to cracks and clogging. Most of the newer machines are DONE by 10kish hours. And keep in mind the extra fuel consumption due to the emissions. The wa600 would go through nearly 200 gallons of diesel in 10 hours and about 15 gallons of def. that’s night shift. Then you got the whole combine ban thing going on with the farmers they are basically deleting their machines so they can work on them themselves. All these companies have created monopolies basically when it comes to repairing machines that have taken a big dive in durability. This all comes down to the bottom line MONEY. No one cares about the environment it’s all about money.
I understand the argument of emissions intact making comparable HP numbers, i don't think many people are fighting that. Besides your 1k+ hp crew but thats a different animal. It comes down to the reliability of the truck and the lifespan of that motor, both of which are extremely hindered with the emissions equipment on. I know there are performance dpf's and all of that, but i think were lying to ourselves if we think the technology is at the point where an emissions compliant truck makes it to half a million miles
@@miguelitomigra543 He's right though, yeah race trucks straight pipe all day, but if you're looking to get 1M miles out of a diesel with emissions intact it's not gonna happen. Thar egr clogs you up so bad, might as well buy a gasser.
All of what he's saying is fine but what about the soot build up in the throttle valve, and egr cooler ? At a 104,000 it took $130.00 in cleaner not to mention the time it took just to clean the baked on soot out of the throttle valve on my 6.7 powerstroke so what is thoroughbred diesels answer to these problems?
They don’t care about the actual reliability of your vehicle. Just that it runs through the warranty period and makes lots of power. I’d be totally happy if the OEMs would put fourth the effort and R&D to make legit emissions systems. It’s all gotta go somewhere, just don’t put it back inside the engine...
Man thats no lie, I d3l3ted my titan xd at around 30,000 miles, I have 59000 now and there was all kinds of gummed up black crap in my intercooler tube from that emissions crap! I can't imagine how bad a 100,000+ mile truck is!
@@edwardtaylor2148 i still have the EGR intact. With the tube the default position is closed. There is a kit but its $1,000 and thats way too expensive for just a plate, tube and some hose fittings.
The carbon emissions of raw diesel fuel with no emissions equipment are still cleaner than gasoline. Big brother just sees industrial trucks blowing some soot and immediately lose their minds without knowing the facts.
Keeping my 07’ till the doors fall off. Last good year for diesel trucks without all the BS. EPA can lick my balls; I’m not buying DEF fluid and getting low mpg. So what if the new trucks put out 1200 ftlbs. I’m good in the 600-800 range. Truck does everything I ask it to and I get 18-20mpg (empty).
My 2013 deleted ram 3500 gets 17 to 18 mpg with no trailer, and around 13.5 to 14 at just under 26k with a trailer. No way you can convince me a def/dpf truck getting 6 to 10 mph with constant breakdowns is a better way to go
I feel very lucky to have inherited a 97 Dodge 12v my dad soecial ordered, and have it registered in a non emissions area. I've heard horror stories about new trucks causing nothing but headaches
Any interest I would have had in his products diminished when he slammed deleted trucks. I have a 2021 with 9k miles, been in the dealership 6 times for emissions. CEL stays on for one dpf/def code after another. Piss on dpf/def system and all that it entails.
I'm all for the dpf system but despise the egr system... you will never convince me that recirculating exhaust gas through a motor is a good thing whether it's a gas engine much less a diesel engine no matter how clean the gas is. if a dpf is the end all cure all why do we need the egr other than quicker warm up times. I had a 2009 dodge that was so pathetic with the emissions that i said to hell with it and deleted it when it had 25000 miles on it. WTF I'm assuming it's illegal to delete the egr but keeping the dpf?
These rules might make sense if we only had mostly this type of vehicle on the road the government and epa could care less about these systems crippling your truck or costing you more
Emissions on diesel's have been around for quite awhile, I dont think they're going away. I appreciate the fact that the diesel performance shops are making products to work with emissions compliant trucks and cant wait to see what performance parts we'll see next. Thanks for another great video, Wade!!
If it is so important to the EPA , why don’t they redesign the fuel. Instead they put it on the backs of owners. But they did it before, we are not burning the fuel of the old days. I worked down in a mine. The only fuel power allowed was diesel. Every diesel had a scrubber on the exhaust. We didn’t have additives injected and the only issues were nitro headaches from the blasting.
Soon we will have no choice, in my opinion I still think deleting a truck is the best way to make horsepower and gain fuel efficiency. I still think we have at least 5 to 10 more years before aftermarket finally catches up like they have for the gasoline engines. As far as losing your warranty when deleting a vehicle changing injectors or any other kind of tuning is the same thing. The good thing is the aftermarket and even OEM manufacturers are getting better and better every year with these vehicles.
After 40 years as a diesel mechanic with freight companies. I understand the issues with emission problems on diesels. But if a old truck came in the shop and was left running and not hooked up to the shop exhaust tube , I would leave the shop. Before retirement a few years ago when one of the new trucks came in ,same situation with it running you didn't hardly notice any eye burning smoke. As long as the system was operating correctly. But there was constant problems with the regen systems. Anyway glad to be away that crap. And it just makes my rustfree 01 7.3 f250 More valuable to me.
To fix my emissions on my 16 6.7would cost a few thousand dollars. I just deleted it for 1200. An no more emission problems. An the truck will last longer an run better an get way better fuel economy. So I can't see y these people are promoting no deleting
What should be illegal is blowing smoke. If you burn higher cetane diesel fuel and tune it just for reliability, then it should be legal to delete. Like someone said, these egr, and def systems are making trucks worse and theres way more parts that need replacement and maintenance.
I never understood the thinking with all this EPA BS. This equipment causes you to burn more fuel because it kills MPGs, which in turm generates more gases. Just make these diesels more fuel efficient and get rid of all this EPA crap that kills these engines. Shorten the life span by as much as 50%. Its gotten to a point that a newer gas engine may last longer than a diesel and theres no $6k up charge.
Our founders put everything on the line and here we are nowadays with sheep business owners and many in comment section afraid of losing their business or a truck. I’m glad I’m short for this world because when America falls the rest follows in the next hour.
The whole delete stigma is pointless. Most owners of deleted trucks wouldn’t own a truck anyways with a DPF, if there is no way they could remove it. They wouldn’t have even bought one in the first place. They would go buy a older no DPF no cat truck early 2000s that pollutes even more due to the dated fuel injection systems. Than a newer common tail deleted truck. This is the hard truth nobody really wants to talk about
Waive those emissions intact pom-poms all you want girls. Currently there are countless reasons to remove them. And all this performance malarkey with keeping them is place might score you some performance points (not many), but all the problems that emissions components bring you at the end of the day will still be there. Period. Don't fall for the hype.
I am a diesel owner in more then one class, we all seen this coming with diesel. I have never deleted any of my diesels but there was a time people thought rolling coal was cool, well it was very inconsiderate, so you all seen this coming. This is one of some reasons why deleted is illegal in most states.
You're right to a degree...I would clarify, however, that SOME idiots thought rolling coal was/ is cool. That sht is NEVER cool. Aholes like them got the libbies, EPA, and even some average non diesel Joes all fired up about cracking down on deletes. Plus blatant advertising and having TV shows promoting deletes sure didn't help. Fly under the radar and remember the "Fight Club" rule...
Wouldn’t changing injectors void the warranty?…intact tuning? Warranty is gone. If I want to get rid of the warranty, it’s gonna be for reliability. EGR code within 3k miles on my 21’ Ram. The 22’s have MAJOR dpf issues. If the manufacturers got it right, then people would be happy with stock. These systems are still flawed, though better than when they first came out.
I understand this has to do with brand new diesel trucks however, could DDP transfer this innovation to modifying stock cp3 injectors on older common rail Cummins and lb7, lly, and lbz duramax trucks to improve injector longevity and get some power gain?
Can spend $2000 one time to stop $15k of know problems and failures repeatedly. Not to mention increasing the life of these truck, and reducing fuel usage. Also not throwing 2.5 gallon jugs in landfills every 5k miles times millions of truck. Wouldn't replacing the injectors with new or even modified ones void the warranty anyways? Just my thoughts. Tell me if I'm wrong about any of this.
Will better functioning injectors solve the failure issues with the emissions system on diesels? Not just the dpf and def but the egr system as well. If there is a way to extend the life of these trucks and leave the emissions intact I'm all for it but doubt financially it will beat the cost of deleting.
So when I bid a job I gotta explain to the customer you gotta pay .... Such money to pay for def. The customer is gonna choose the guy with the old equipment. And the guy with old equipment is gonna get the job. Am I wrong???
What they’re predicting is one of two things is going to happen. One that old way will disappear or two that performance companies will be forced to create performance products that produce results with intact emissions. So imagine giving your customers two equal options that provide equal results and cost. One is illegal and one is not, which one will they choose?
Your answer is irrelevant. The customer only has so much money to get results. To where your business is to make wanna spend money they don't have. It not illegal to run old equipment yet is it?
Lol we don’t understand the new way ? I beg to differ. We understand they want us to spend more on truck period. To more components the more repair cost. They also wants us to go thru as much fuel as possible. So they make our mpg shittier.
I have seen plenty of deleted trucks that have no smoke and get great MPG. With all this emissions crap that motor wont last near aslong as it would without it. No matter how its tuned its crap that they are coming after everyone when not everyone drives around and rolls coal!!
? I take out the DPF and catalytic and my truck star smoking bad blue smoke is that something to do with the DPF or my injector are bad is 2008 Chevy Silverado.
Im hesitant to take any long trips and carry a spare injector and injector hose with me all the time now So frustrating that we are forced to drive these BS DPF systems and the government doe not have to follow the same rules That tells you a lot right there 70k truck and work on it more than my old $2500 truck Mad as Hell !! I would tune if I could get the parts
Not the way we should have done it alright. We should have gone after the individual that passed a law trying to tell someone what they can or cannot do with their property.
People get upset, not because they don't understand the 'new way of things' -- it's more along the lines of the cost of repair, and how the mandated emissions system destroy their engines... If the EPA is mandating this equipment, there should also be legislation to limit the cost of the replacement parts, and repairs. Showing up to a dealership with a failed DPF, and being told it'll cost $8,000 to repair it, is absolutely absurd. This along with the absolutely ridiculous EGR system is why people delete... What is the point of the EGR system on a truck with a DPF? The DPF is doing its job, so why introduce soot back into the intake? The diesel truck owners are getting hit hard twice: 1) Exhaust component failure costs to repair. Cost of DPF, sensor replacements, SCR, DEF, etc. 2) EGR fallout (bad coolers, intakes being choked off due to soot buildup, vehicles catching fire (plastic intakes are incredibly laughable on a diesel). EPA only cares about protecting the environment. They don't care what the parts suppliers or dealerships are charging to fix these systems. People already pay a huge upcharge for the diesel engine option on these vehicles, only to be met with insane repair costs for EPA mandated emissions systems. Fix the costs, increase the reliability, and people will be more willing to abide by the EPA regulations...
These guys used to be some of the best. Breaks my heart to see the strong arm of the govt even turning these guys into squids. Been in the diesel industry for 15 years now. Started back on the old 7.3s. I’m here to tell you all of the emissions related garbage on these new trucks are just ticking time bomb baggage failures. Literally.
Whats so stupid about all the emissions crap, we have just shifted the environment damage, land fills full of plastic def bottles, all the parts and engines that have been ruined. So the amounts of $$$ that has been spent on repairs goes with out saying.
I pull a tandem flat bed stack with split fire wood and my house is on to of a pretty big and my 02 Kubota BX2200 and plus that load to the top wide open throttle with 4 wheel drive on and I have a factory rear axle locker but I only use when I have and I have 1234 hrs on the clock best garden tractor on steroids and doesn’t use one drop oil .
So you’d rather get 10 miles to the gallon on a stock truck rather then 20+ on a tuned deleted truck? Deleting isn’t making it an anchor. It is making it more reliable and getting better fuel economy and reliability. Have you ever done emissions testing on a stock truck and then a stock deleted truck? They still pass emissions but get better mileage. When you tune it and add fuel is when you start failing emissions so I bet your stock truck with all these injector mods is most likely failing emission tests. I’d still like to know how much a set of nozzles for my 2007.5 would cost that would add about 50-75hp.
Your totally wrong on that 10 mpg my 2022 hand calculated over 1500 miles ave 19.98 bone stock 3000 miles on her now just sayin the newer emmisions are different not better but different to the point of better fuel economy still ruining the engines tho imo
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I deal with regens every 250-300 miles. There is Absolutely no reason for an efficient engine to be choked with filters, and liberal tears. Injector technology will not cure the ever occurring emissions FAILURES. Why would I spend 70k on a truck to deal with having to buy New Injectors, that will only cost even more, and still have the same problems.
I get it…here’s something the Canadian performance boys did years ago….they learned the phrase “Off road use only” then they leave it up to the customers…pretending that the EPA isn’t a Bureaucracy that’s been funded by lobbyists and proponents of all the manufactures of the exhaust scrubbing systems is almost as stupid as thinking that peeing on a fire somehow cleans the air 😂…you guys should open some physics and chemistry books ….or just start inhaling your own farts doing wind sprints up hill 👍
@@localenterprisebroadcastin5971 the irony is that the same people pushing emissions, are the same that are pushing. Covid 19 vaxs and masks...
*Got stuck on 3k mile trip DEF code $1500+ hotel, FYI Rislone came out with DEF TANK TREATMENT def crystal clean supposedly cleans def system Ect, 2 1 types for maintenance and other to clear code dissolves crystals Ect. ( do not turn ur truck off if it say low def! Stop autozone by Rislone def crystal clean and fill def tank while running, if u turn truck off it could throw a code just FYI “says a diesel mechanic in Florida” hope this helps someone as learning $2k my way wasn’t fun on the pocket!*
Will the new Chevron ruling allow deleted diesel now? A company that can show its benefits should take the EPA to court, they would now probably win.
You should change the company name to “Gelding Diesel,” because the EPA has clearly clipped you.
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Shetland Gelding !
I work for a major truck repair buisness. And we see around 75/80% of the trucks that break down, or are towed in are due to emissions related failures.
8 months late but I agree, I drive trucks and all of the trucks I drove with a dpf or def and def always broke for some reason all the time. And the whole re-gen thing, use how much fuel to burn the shit in the filter for what? So what about all the fuel that was used? That's why I don't even go near the new trucks now, I learned my lesson. Even my pick up I totally restored down the motor brand new and it's a 2002. This video is a bunch of shit.
So new tech, or tech that is not refined is not allowed to have a break in period now (for lack of a better term)? Cars in general when they first came about where unreliable pos, yet the wealthy still bought them. Then when the price finally declined reliability improved little by little.
My point is you don't make something fool proof right off that bat...ever.
Yes. It is a high-cost failed attempt at government-mandated emissions control systems. That will force the public into polluting just to prove something needs to be done. When it is the government that is the problem and falsely putting the blame on the consumers.
most of you guys are commies sale out
This guy representing DDP, mostly likely had a shop was caught deleting trucks, and was fined up the A%^hOL* by the Federal Govt.
DPF should be illegal.
I’m with you, on top of that, do you know how bad this stuff is
Amen! End DPF!
There’s lawsuits out there give it time
Def should be illegal it's killing bees, we need bees more then 'clean'. Exhaust
@@acmanwwjd1 definitely real science will prevail that this so called emissions is more deadly to the environment than told.
When the EPA starts making my payments they can start dictating what I do with my truck. They are acting like a HOA run by a bunch of KAREN'S 😂😂
I wonder with this new Chevron ruling, if some company out there will challenge that law. It should be pretty easy if they collect data on the reliability of not having all the emission BS and plastic jugs of DEF.
If emissions compliant tuning is so great why wasn’t anybody doing it before being forced to?
Because it’s it as good, I have both emissions compliant and in the past not s emissions compliant. Guess that they’re doing it now and promoting it to save their business TD is a solid company but this emissions crap is killing it for everyone
Technology, it takes a lot to R&D to develop, so the old solution was to just remove it because they didn’t have a way to do emissions compliant mods
@@AsianNIGMA WHAT EVER BRO.... That doesn't change the fact that an otherwise reliable and powerful diesels weak point is its emissions system and power restrictor... Any performance adder witl preform better without the restrictions limitations.
Your still going to have emission problems. Your still going to break down
Love my 05 Dodge 3500 5.9 6 speed manual 4 door long bed dullay 152k and going strong .
My deleted 6.7 Powerstroke will run circles around your emmisions intact units and it won't break all the time.
The L5P would take that bet.
Thoroughbred Diesel
Lol not with its stock drive train the l5p won’t.
A 6.7 can make 600 with just a tune l5p needs a transmission to get past 550.
David Schmidt damn right that Allison ain’t all what it’s cracked up to be
Idk TD My old lp5 tuned that put 530hp to the ground ate its first trans at 7k and once again 27k and then I bought a tuned and deleted 6.7 and haven’t had a lick of issue in 90k miles now Lp5 look good on paper but then out that paper in the trash
@@andrewhatton1606 glad to hear that your a cop stop bothering these guys and come to Chicago and nail some real law breakers like all of these car jacking gang bangers wielding guns .
That's weird. I deleted a non essential part to my truck. Mpgs went up. Just live in a state that doesn't have a bunch of liberals in it. You're good.
The only argument needed is limp. Something in your emissions systems fail it will either limit your truck or totally disable it. I didn’t spend 70k on a truck for the crown to tell me when I can or can’t drive it. Because that’s what emission systems on these trucks do. Some people use their trucks for their livelihood and small time guys running a single truck to make a living cannot waste time and money with their trucks in a shop chasing bull shit problems for non essential parts. So the only anchored trucks are emissions intact trucks period.
Soot in the air, don’t care 😎
@@sjl_6oh998 keep it in the air and not in my engine
@@matthewmorrison2970 yes sir, that’s right buddy
My 2011 Ford Powerstroke is not deleted and it tows a camper at 14k lbs. It gets 10-12 mpg towing and 18-20 mpg not towing. It has 113k miles and I have had nothing but normal maintenance items that I do myself. I did have one nox sensor go that was replaced by the dealer. I do not drive in city traffic so I guess that is a good thing. Even the ceramic bearings in the turbo are good. Everyone complains about the turbos because of the ceramic bearing but if they are treated right they will last. I also live in warm region that rarely gets below freezing so I have no cold weather start-ups and the truck is garage kept.
@@johnmac4769 That's good you've had good luck with your truck but these new diesels with all the emissions equipment won't make a half million miles like a deleted or older diesel truck. Unfortunately you will probably have costly emission equipment issues with your truck with the mileage getting higher.
Deleted trucks are better.
Emissions delete became popular because of reliability. All these shops going epa dont even hit on the poorer reliability of emissions compliant trucks. Egr will clog. Dpf will clog. Regens burn the truck up. Def is an extra cost ontop of rising diesel prices. Sensors on all the epa stuff fails and ruins truck. Deleting wasnt just for power gain. It was reliability.
@@billycritser174 why your comment doesn't have more traction confuses me. The people who wanted to black smoke are a small percentage vs the people who wanted to tow or haul without being stranded.
Delete for life!
YeeYee
Living the DELETE LIFE, is the way to go . EGR system is like my Ex-girlfriend, they're both are useless and they both take money away from my pocket
You will NEVER convince me that a non deleted truck is better than a deleted truck. These were never designed to have this garbage on them, all governments mandated. Here’s a fact, no military vehicles have emissions.
What hes trying to say is..." My company cant get away with breaking the law anymore, so here's a something different...."
Its a Bullshit law. States allow you to kill unborn children but I can't fix the time bomb on my truck.
These guys have sold themselves to the feds plain and simple
Well said. They believe in the liberal war on the working class and are a big company who had no choice but to abide by the law and try to keep making money. Some of us won’t back down and are lucky enough to run deleted. I love the “cop arresting you” argument. I’m telling you “inside info here” cops DONT CARE. They are on our side. I guess u never know when u might need it in the future so I’ll hold onto my stuff….but in the meantime I enjoy not having my trucks balls cut off.
Alright, you guys have fun with your emissions repairs, I'm gonna be over here in my deleted "anchors" with no emissions that run cooler and burn less fuel and cost half as much to repair.
Who did you use
As well as the emissions on my deleted engine is by far more emissions friendly when looked at over time when looked at fuel versus time and MPG.
@@kevinoneill41 right, nothing like dumping buckets of DEF along with all the plastic jugs it comes in while dumping extra diesel fuel into the exhaust and claiming we're saving the planet. What a load of garbage!
More parts = more problems.
If you can make an engine run with fewer parts, you will have fewer problems.
The diesel performance podcast has me pretty convinced that emissions tuning can make comparable HP. Problem is no one has made a performance dpf that enhances sound. My inner child refuses to let me drive a truck even if it has 600hp if it sounds like a minivan.
Diesels should sound like diesels, and dpfs don’t make em sound like diesels
No...they can't. Study up.
@@miguelitomigra543 you’re right for one and for two tuning a truck imo with emissions crap just adds to an already compounded problem. Egr and dpf will eventually Nuke the engine period
Emissions is why I haven't spent my hard earned money on a new truck. Epa is getting out of hand, My old 99 2nd gen is holding up just fine.
Agreed, my old 12valve is still kicking.
I would buy a deleted truck over a stock POS any day
If you can't get it through inspection to buy your license plates, what good is it?
anonymous George I live in Wyoming . No inspection bullshit
Leroy Truk TN as well!👍🏻
Leroy Truk bro I’m telling you delete your truck and hang onto it there is going to be a huge black market for deleted trucks
I had no problem trading in my deleted 6.7 Cummins last year to a large Houston area dealership. They even advertised it for sale saying it had a tuner. In Texas we don't have diesel emission testing so deleted diesels reselling is not an issue.
That's the way most states are outside of California
Yep my dad bought a 2500hd off a small dealer and it’s deleted sounds pretty good too
@@ivangutierrez0324 if it's done reight
Just wait, wont be like that for long…
A 2nd gen ram cummins can be built pretty much perfect and pretty for way less $$ than what it costs for a newer DPF/DEF running truck. I'll just keep upgrading and fixing my 01 and 02 thank you. The EPA can KMA!
You guys need to take a course on diesel engines, ,There is nothing good about shoving crap back into your engine
most people dont care about more throttle response or horsepower. We want reliability. DPFs and EGRs have ruined diesels.
I believe the opposite. I feel like emission compliant trucks are junk. I’ll never sale my deleted cummins, after a million miles and the motor blows up I’ll consider it worth every penny. These emission trucks will likely not make it past 500k. There’s no question in my mind.
Can we all grow a pair?! Let's stand up to this absolute bull. It's obvious that none of us want it. So, why is it then that this is the law? We're not getting a "vote." Let's free ourselves! I work in finance... We MUST decentralize money worldwide or forever we are slaves. Robert Breedlove has a plan...
I was left on the side of the road a few years back with a some failed sensors, trailer in tow. Got the whole Milage count down and everything, but was heading from NH to WV so 150 miles doesn’t help much 2am on a Sunday. Long story short I ended up with a huge tow bill for my truck and 14k trailer, lost my drilling contract for the job I was heading to, had hotel expenses, and a rental car expense. Truck took a week to get repaired and cost me a big contract. I understand that trucks are mechanical objects subject to breakdown, if it was an essential part I’d be more understanding.
I own two Chevy trucks that have the 5.3 one is a 1999 and one is a 2005, they have never left me stranded and they have always warned me when something was coming due to be replaced. I also own a 2006 Duramax, the turbo started warning me it was time for a new one, never left me stranded. My Duramax is in pieces right now, decided everything that touches the turbo will be new, high flow everything. If you stay up on maintenance with the older trucks I have yet to be on the side of a highway.
Why is the government exempt from the emissions if it's so important and does bad for the truck without it?
@@AaronBricker-y9h Shhh, stop noticing things!
03 F350 with 6.0 fully loaded gooseneck enclosed trailer running an average of 65 mph, I average 12.5. Full delete and bulletproof on a 245,000 mile truck with original transmission as well.
Same.
I remember an old timer diesel mechanic comparing the def/ddp system to being a marathon runner and have a mask with a pip up your rear and reusing you farts haha and amazingly I’ve experience the difference and deleted performances better 🤷🏻♂️
Emissions on drives like an anchor
Its hilarious watching these companies squirm as they get more and more scared to delete trucks almost by the minute.
It's almost like the EPA are straight up brainwashing them. Even "beyond appalling" doesn't even come REMOTELY CLOSE to describing how out of hand this has become.
I had a talk with a gentleman with a '13 powerstroke 6.7 dually he tows a 3 axle 40ft toy hauler. Before he deleted, 6 mpg, after he deleted 13 mpg towing and 20 empty. I have an 05 duramax dually that struggles to get 12mpg with a slide in camper but I have my egr and cat. Deleted trucks run better.
My titan xd didn't do a whole lot better if amy when I d3l3ted, but whem I changed over to. Mishimoto 180 degree thermostat I got over 1mpg better on the same trip I make from north of Austin to New Mexico. Granted I'm lifted with 34 inch tires but u went from high 14s (wind blows hard once you get to West Tx) to 16. Thats going 78-80mph. Of course the 3.92 gears on the XD don't help fuel economy either because at 75 im turning 2000rpm vs 1600-1700 in the ram 2500 company truck.
I live in a state where there are no emissions inspections. If you live in one of those states just keep all your parts and reinstall them before you sell. Simple. The increased fuel efficiency is well worth a delete. Especially with the cost of diesel.
With the engine properly tuned with. Unrestricted clean cold air intake and exhaust that isn't restricting the outflow tuned down low fuel boost equals less black smoke in stop and go. With a properly heated engine. The emissions versus HP and MPG will be hard to beat. Now add up the downtime.
I could care less about how fast dpf intact or dpf deleted trucks are. Ppl delete becouse they are afraid of beeing stranded somewhere with there family's and or cargo, especially if there is no cell service or dealers or dealers not open becouse its a holiday. Make DPF and SCR systems bullet proof and you would eliminate 80% of people that would delete there trucks. Modern diesel truck will at some point leave you stranded with the stock running gear. MFGs need to perfect these systems, these trucks are fast enough stock.
We also need affordable ways to replace those systems. 4K for a bulky exhaust system isn't reasonable either.
@@thoroughbreddiesel 4k? That’s it? Chevy dealer wanted 8k to replace the entire dpf on my bosses lml duramax. He got it deleted for way less then that and it hasn’t had a single issue since then.
The only reason they are pushing to modify emissions equipped trucks is because they are on the chopping block like Diesel Brothers who just got fined almost a million dollars for deleting and modifying emissions. They are a business who wants to keep selling people extremely over priced stuff. Basically they are trying to comply with the government and stay in business. I have no doubt these guys could make big leaps with emission equipped vehicles ford dodge and GM do it every new model. More power every new motor and more emissions. If they can these guys can. No one where I’m from is being arrested or ticketed even for deleted trucks and I live in north Idaho and grew up in Washington I live right by the state line. No one cares. They stopped testing emissions in Washington beginning 2020. Also in Washington if you owned a diesel newer then 2007 you were exempt from emissions testing as well. I’m sick of this conversation. If you can make a stock truck faster and more power that’s great but don’t try and tell me it ain’t going to fuck up the gigantic exhaust filter they all have just so your company stays afloat. I run heavy equipment for a living and this is also a huge down side to that trade. Cat used to be an awesome company with quality machines they barely make it to their first 1-2000 hours before you have some kind of emissions related issue. Last I checked cat stopped making on road diesels because of this issue. We bought a brand new komatsu wa600 in 2017 Before 5000 hours we replaced the egr cooler 5 times due to cracks and clogging. Most of the newer machines are DONE by 10kish hours. And keep in mind the extra fuel consumption due to the emissions. The wa600 would go through nearly 200 gallons of diesel in 10 hours and about 15 gallons of def. that’s night shift. Then you got the whole combine ban thing going on with the farmers they are basically deleting their machines so they can work on them themselves. All these companies have created monopolies basically when it comes to repairing machines that have taken a big dive in durability. This all comes down to the bottom line MONEY. No one cares about the environment it’s all about money.
I understand the argument of emissions intact making comparable HP numbers, i don't think many people are fighting that. Besides your 1k+ hp crew but thats a different animal. It comes down to the reliability of the truck and the lifespan of that motor, both of which are extremely hindered with the emissions equipment on. I know there are performance dpf's and all of that, but i think were lying to ourselves if we think the technology is at the point where an emissions compliant truck makes it to half a million miles
I'm fighting it. If it were true race trucks would also have intact emissions. C'mon man.
@@miguelitomigra543 He's right though, yeah race trucks straight pipe all day, but if you're looking to get 1M miles out of a diesel with emissions intact it's not gonna happen. Thar egr clogs you up so bad, might as well buy a gasser.
All of what he's saying is fine but what about the soot build up in the throttle valve, and egr cooler ?
At a 104,000 it took $130.00 in cleaner not to mention the time it took just to clean the baked on soot out of the throttle valve on my 6.7 powerstroke so what is thoroughbred diesels answer to these problems?
They don’t care about the actual reliability of your vehicle. Just that it runs through the warranty period and makes lots of power.
I’d be totally happy if the OEMs would put fourth the effort and R&D to make legit emissions systems. It’s all gotta go somewhere, just don’t put it back inside the engine...
Man thats no lie, I d3l3ted my titan xd at around 30,000 miles, I have 59000 now and there was all kinds of gummed up black crap in my intercooler tube from that emissions crap! I can't imagine how bad a 100,000+ mile truck is!
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix did you lose the weight if the EGR? Is there a block off plate?
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix Im trying to find the block off EGR kit
@@edwardtaylor2148 i still have the EGR intact. With the tube the default position is closed. There is a kit but its $1,000 and thats way too expensive for just a plate, tube and some hose fittings.
The carbon emissions of raw diesel fuel with no emissions equipment are still cleaner than gasoline. Big brother just sees industrial trucks blowing some soot and immediately lose their minds without knowing the facts.
Keeping my 07’ till the doors fall off. Last good year for diesel trucks without all the BS. EPA can lick my balls; I’m not buying DEF fluid and getting low mpg. So what if the new trucks put out 1200 ftlbs. I’m good in the 600-800 range. Truck does everything I ask it to and I get 18-20mpg (empty).
I get 18.2 in my stock ram 2500 Cummins.
I own a 1999 5.9 24v cummins no def, 5" exhaust system from turbo back...😁
My 2013 deleted ram 3500 gets 17 to 18 mpg with no trailer, and around 13.5 to 14 at just under 26k with a trailer. No way you can convince me a def/dpf truck getting 6 to 10 mph with constant breakdowns is a better way to go
I'm still driving my 2004 GMC LB7 Extended Cab. I'm thinking I might as well keep it. It's got no EGR or DPF and completely legal.
He said he hasn’t had any problems running dpf just wait till that soot makes it’s way down to them crank and rod bearings
What we need is the industry to get together and take it to the supreme court and not just roll over
Kinda did. The epa was striped of the power to regulate by the Supreme Court. They have no right to make law or regulations..
I feel very lucky to have inherited a 97 Dodge 12v my dad soecial ordered, and have it registered in a non emissions area. I've heard horror stories about new trucks causing nothing but headaches
Any interest I would have had in his products diminished when he slammed deleted trucks. I have a 2021 with 9k miles, been in the dealership 6 times for emissions. CEL stays on for one dpf/def code after another. Piss on dpf/def system and all that it entails.
So what about the soot that is actualy abrasive that enters your cylinders and oil that emissions give you
@@chasemorgansunredfarms963 lol i know how it works and i know what happens when you delete the system lol
I'm all for the dpf system but despise the egr system... you will never convince me that recirculating exhaust gas through a motor is a good thing whether it's a gas engine much less a diesel engine no matter how clean the gas is. if a dpf is the end all cure all why do we need the egr other than quicker warm up times. I had a 2009 dodge that was so pathetic with the emissions that i said to hell with it and deleted it when it had 25000 miles on it. WTF I'm assuming it's illegal to delete the egr but keeping the dpf?
These rules might make sense if we only had mostly this type of vehicle on the road the government and epa could care less about these systems crippling your truck or costing you more
I had my 2010 2500 6.7 Ram deleted, the smartest move ever
I think we just need more birth control and less emission systems
Idk I mean if it still has to regen or take sensors and you have to worry about a cooler splitting in half on you then I'm not a fan
Emissions on diesel's have been around for quite awhile, I dont think they're going away. I appreciate the fact that the diesel performance shops are making products to work with emissions compliant trucks and cant wait to see what performance parts we'll see next. Thanks for another great video, Wade!!
If it is so important to the EPA , why don’t they redesign the fuel. Instead they put it on the backs of owners. But they did it before, we are not burning the fuel of the old days. I worked down in a mine. The only fuel power allowed was diesel. Every diesel had a scrubber on the exhaust. We didn’t have additives injected and the only issues were nitro headaches from the blasting.
These are modern injection what about the old lb7 injectors! Have you made any improvements to these injectors
Soon we will have no choice, in my opinion I still think deleting a truck is the best way to make horsepower and gain fuel efficiency. I still think we have at least 5 to 10 more years before aftermarket finally catches up like they have for the gasoline engines. As far as losing your warranty when deleting a vehicle changing injectors or any other kind of tuning is the same thing.
The good thing is the aftermarket and even OEM manufacturers are getting better and better every year with these vehicles.
Naw. Deleting isn't going anywhere. Don't be fooled.
Deleted diesels last way longer than non you guys sound goofy
So the bad news: I didn't watch your video. The good news: I like pancakes.
And my truck is deleted as fkkk!!!!
After 40 years as a diesel mechanic with freight companies. I understand the issues with emission problems on diesels. But if a old truck came in the shop and was left running and not hooked up to the shop exhaust tube , I would leave the shop. Before retirement a few years ago when one of the new trucks came in ,same situation with it running you didn't hardly notice any eye burning smoke.
As long as the system was operating correctly. But there was constant problems with the regen systems. Anyway glad to be away that crap. And it just makes my rustfree 01 7.3 f250
More valuable to me.
Wonder how he would like to be in side the shop with one of this emissionised beast in regen mode. He would probably never make it to retirement.
To fix my emissions on my 16 6.7would cost a few thousand dollars. I just deleted it for 1200. An no more emission problems. An the truck will last longer an run better an get way better fuel economy. So I can't see y these people are promoting no deleting
Everyone just needs to refuse to buy new trucks with this idiotic emissions. Including semis.
Yeah, suuuuure....
What should be illegal is blowing smoke. If you burn higher cetane diesel fuel and tune it just for reliability, then it should be legal to delete.
Like someone said, these egr, and def systems are making trucks worse and theres way more parts that need replacement and maintenance.
I never understood the thinking with all this EPA BS.
This equipment causes you to burn more fuel because it kills MPGs, which in turm generates more gases.
Just make these diesels more fuel efficient and get rid of all this EPA crap that kills these engines. Shorten the life span by as much as 50%.
Its gotten to a point that a newer gas engine may last longer than a diesel and theres no $6k up charge.
Our founders put everything on the line and here we are nowadays with sheep business owners and many in comment section afraid of losing their business or a truck. I’m glad I’m short for this world because when America falls the rest follows in the next hour.
Avoid trucks with epa crap
A tuned deleted Cummins Ram with a built trans can get over 30 mpg out on the highway.
Deleted trucks perform better and last longer than an emissions compliant truck. So stop lying guys
Deleted trucks are not illegal. It's only illegal for the manufacturer to sell without def. Diesel exhaust fluid is a joke.
That’s not correct
I avoid emissions equipped diesel trucks. Its not worth the hassle to own trash.
Stop telling people bs
The whole delete stigma is pointless. Most owners of deleted trucks wouldn’t own a truck anyways with a DPF, if there is no way they could remove it. They wouldn’t have even bought one in the first place. They would go buy a older no DPF no cat truck early 2000s that pollutes even more due to the dated fuel injection systems. Than a newer common tail deleted truck. This is the hard truth nobody really wants to talk about
Waive those emissions intact pom-poms all you want girls. Currently there are countless reasons to remove them. And all this performance malarkey with keeping them is place might score you some performance points (not many), but all the problems that emissions components bring you at the end of the day will still be there. Period. Don't fall for the hype.
On a 18 F150 diesel 3.0 I’m getting 22.8 city/ hwy combined. What can be done with the injectors in this?
Several companies are working on performance injectors for those trucks, stay tuned!
I am a diesel owner in more then one class, we all seen this coming with diesel. I have never deleted any of my diesels but there was a time people thought rolling coal was cool, well it was very inconsiderate, so you all seen this coming. This is one of some reasons why deleted is illegal in most states.
You're right to a degree...I would clarify, however, that SOME idiots thought rolling coal was/ is cool. That sht is NEVER cool. Aholes like them got the libbies, EPA, and even some average non diesel Joes all fired up about cracking down on deletes. Plus blatant advertising and having TV shows promoting deletes sure didn't help. Fly under the radar and remember the "Fight Club" rule...
Wouldn’t changing injectors void the warranty?…intact tuning? Warranty is gone. If I want to get rid of the warranty, it’s gonna be for reliability. EGR code within 3k miles on my 21’ Ram. The 22’s have MAJOR dpf issues. If the manufacturers got it right, then people would be happy with stock. These systems are still flawed, though better than when they first came out.
Exactly. They are getting better every day. But these laws and emissions restrictions are always going to remain.
I understand this has to do with brand new diesel trucks however, could DDP transfer this innovation to modifying stock cp3 injectors on older common rail Cummins and lb7, lly, and lbz duramax trucks to improve injector longevity and get some power gain?
Yes. Check out DDP’s full line for almost all make and model light duty trucks. Their injectors are balanced to increase efficiency and performance!
Can spend $2000 one time to stop $15k of know problems and failures repeatedly. Not to mention increasing the life of these truck, and reducing fuel usage. Also not throwing 2.5 gallon jugs in landfills every 5k miles times millions of truck. Wouldn't replacing the injectors with new or even modified ones void the warranty anyways? Just my thoughts. Tell me if I'm wrong about any of this.
This will be a risk that the end user will have to weigh out to get a better functioning injector than stock.
Will better functioning injectors solve the failure issues with the emissions system on diesels? Not just the dpf and def but the egr system as well. If there is a way to extend the life of these trucks and leave the emissions intact I'm all for it but doubt financially it will beat the cost of deleting.
So when I bid a job I gotta explain to the customer you gotta pay .... Such money to pay for def. The customer is gonna choose the guy with the old equipment. And the guy with old equipment is gonna get the job. Am I wrong???
What they’re predicting is one of two things is going to happen. One that old way will disappear or two that performance companies will be forced to create performance products that produce results with intact emissions. So imagine giving your customers two equal options that provide equal results and cost. One is illegal and one is not, which one will they choose?
Your answer is irrelevant. The customer only has so much money to get results. To where your business is to make wanna spend money they don't have. It not illegal to run old equipment yet is it?
Maintenance cost of new and old equipment isn't the same. It's cheaper to keep the old going
Lol we don’t understand the new way ? I beg to differ. We understand they want us to spend more on truck period. To more components the more repair cost. They also wants us to go thru as much fuel as possible. So they make our mpg shittier.
Can I get that guys injectors for my Kubota? I could use a few more hp in my 23 hp Kubota
My lbz is deleted. And I will only buy older trucks with hardly any emissions and then delete the ones on it
I have seen plenty of deleted trucks that have no smoke and get great MPG. With all this emissions crap that motor wont last near aslong as it would without it. No matter how its tuned its crap that they are coming after everyone when not everyone drives around and rolls coal!!
? I take out the DPF and catalytic and my truck star smoking bad blue smoke is that something to do with the DPF or my injector are bad is 2008 Chevy Silverado.
Its a GM.
Sounds like a lot of opportunities with the injectors for some good r&d. I'd be curious how 1 directions at 145° spray angle would change performance
Wow wish you had a shop near North Carolina
Fuel burning as it passes through the Turbo during regen cycle,,,,NO
Im hesitant to take any long trips and carry a spare injector and injector hose with me all the time now
So frustrating that we are forced to drive these BS DPF systems and the government doe not have to follow the same rules
That tells you a lot right there
70k truck and work on it more than my old $2500 truck
Mad as Hell !!
I would tune if I could get the parts
A true salesman!!!
Not the way we should have done it alright. We should have gone after the individual that passed a law trying to tell someone what they can or cannot do with their property.
People get upset, not because they don't understand the 'new way of things' -- it's more along the lines of the cost of repair, and how the mandated emissions system destroy their engines... If the EPA is mandating this equipment, there should also be legislation to limit the cost of the replacement parts, and repairs. Showing up to a dealership with a failed DPF, and being told it'll cost $8,000 to repair it, is absolutely absurd. This along with the absolutely ridiculous EGR system is why people delete...
What is the point of the EGR system on a truck with a DPF? The DPF is doing its job, so why introduce soot back into the intake? The diesel truck owners are getting hit hard twice:
1) Exhaust component failure costs to repair. Cost of DPF, sensor replacements, SCR, DEF, etc.
2) EGR fallout (bad coolers, intakes being choked off due to soot buildup, vehicles catching fire (plastic intakes are incredibly laughable on a diesel).
EPA only cares about protecting the environment. They don't care what the parts suppliers or dealerships are charging to fix these systems. People already pay a huge upcharge for the diesel engine option on these vehicles, only to be met with insane repair costs for EPA mandated emissions systems.
Fix the costs, increase the reliability, and people will be more willing to abide by the EPA regulations...
What form of English is this? Couldn’t understand a thing. All I heard was egr/dpf delete then tune!
Nobody is trying to spend thousands on your injectors when they can just tune a truck for so much less
How many trucks at UCC where EMISSIONS intact?
These guys used to be some of the best. Breaks my heart to see the strong arm of the govt even turning these guys into squids. Been in the diesel industry for 15 years now. Started back on the old 7.3s. I’m here to tell you all of the emissions related garbage on these new trucks are just ticking time bomb baggage failures. Literally.
Whats so stupid about all the emissions crap, we have just shifted the environment damage, land fills full of plastic def bottles, all the parts and engines that have been ruined. So the amounts of $$$ that has been spent on repairs goes with out saying.
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If the Feds want this stuff on our trucks they should be guaranteed for life by manufactures !
I pull a tandem flat bed stack with split fire wood and my house is on to of a pretty big and my 02 Kubota BX2200 and plus that load to the top wide open throttle with 4 wheel drive on and I have a factory rear axle locker but I only use when I have and I have 1234 hrs on the clock best garden tractor on steroids and doesn’t use one drop oil .
So you’d rather get 10 miles to the gallon on a stock truck rather then 20+ on a tuned deleted truck? Deleting isn’t making it an anchor. It is making it more reliable and getting better fuel economy and reliability. Have you ever done emissions testing on a stock truck and then a stock deleted truck? They still pass emissions but get better mileage. When you tune it and add fuel is when you start failing emissions so I bet your stock truck with all these injector mods is most likely failing emission tests. I’d still like to know how much a set of nozzles for my 2007.5 would cost that would add about 50-75hp.
Your totally wrong on that 10 mpg my 2022 hand calculated over 1500 miles ave 19.98 bone stock 3000 miles on her now just sayin the newer emmisions are different not better but different to the point of better fuel economy still ruining the engines tho imo