Does Lyricism Still Matter In Hip-Hop? A Discussion With Styles P and Dave East | For The Record
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- Although Yonkers MC Styles P and Harlem rapper Dave East represent two different generations of hip-hop, each artist is known for his lyrical prowess. The duo recently teamed up for their joint project ‘Beloved,’ which densely packs vivid street tales throughout its 13 tracks. On the latest episode of ‘For The Record,’ the New York natives sat down with Genius’ Head of Artist Relations Rob Markman to discuss the collaborative album as well as the decline of lyricism in hip-hop.
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Lyricism will always matter. No matter how popular “mumble” rap seems to be, the top dogs or the artist we as a culture collectively celebrates are lyricist... with the exception of Future & Travis Scott.
Taio Smalls that statement makes no sense
Wunder Bread your logic doesn’t make sense.
Nah yo. Like only the THREE rappers can really rap. The rest of the biggest dont give a fuck about lyricism and the number of rappers that do care gets lower and lower as time passes. No way "lyricism will always matter" damn near every new rapper cant rap and they get big
First you say that lyricism will always matter. Then you say mumble rap is the most popular genre of rap, then you say that the lyricists will always be on top (which really isn’t true right now). And then you say that future and Travis Scott are also some of your favorite artists.
You statements are everywhere
Wunder Bread I think he's acknowledging that non-lyrical rap is big right now (and usually is) but lyrical rap will always have a place. And by "on top" I think he means in in terms of popularity, but in terms of respect.
But idk, I think hip hop is entering a new era that incorporates other genres like rock and electronic. Both of those genres are not very lyrical.
97% of rappers seem to think lyricism doesn't matter.But if a rapper wants to be respected LYRICALLY it should matter.Lyricsm simply means QUALITY BARS!!
I just love the fact Aaliyah's red album is on show tbh
TOPICS:::
1:35 Why 2018 was a great year for hip-hop
4:35 How friendly competition between Styles P and Dave East led to 'Beloved'
8:13 Styles P on the process of making 'Beloved' with Dave East
8:49 Dave East on recording the album without writing his bars down
10:07 Dave East, Styles P and Rob name their top 5 rappers of all time
11:46 How Nas changed hip-hop
13:33 Styles P on the mental health discussion in hip-hop
16:19 Styles P and Dave East on why lyrics still matter
20:23 Dave East on how Instagram and the media impacts the culture
23:31 Styles P shares his thoughts on the hip-hop media
Speaking of lyrics are you guys gonna bring check the rhyme back that was a good series
I watched every Styles and East interview that came them boys is straight pure hip hop
Spitty Fashoo 💯🔥
Man east is fucking trash af
We have a confirmed bugout right here folks
LifeIsLife 👀
@@slimtruckinghunnit5207 Put the crack DOWN.
Lyricism will ALWAYS matter in hip hop/rap, you at least have to have decent bars for it be considered good, a nice trap beat can't save everything
Ok but this not about being considered good its about being able to be big and you dont need lyricism any more
Not necessarily. You need flow and delivery just as much as you need lyrics. A good flow and delivery can compensate for mediocre lyrics, but good lyrics seldom compensates for a mediocre flow and delivery.
Your right but lyrics matter cause when an artist makes a song that you can relate too its let's you know u ain't the only person going thru that.
Have you listened to playboi carti
Dankachu GEN 2 #YesIndeed
Lyricism is one of the foundations of rap. Respect it regardless of the era. But hip hop was also party shit too back in the day. For me, today's mainstream music isn't for me. People should always wanna progress mentally and spiritually. Do y'all thing, as far as people today. No hate. Just don't forget the bases of this shit. Have a good day y'all. 🙏
Lyricism will always matter, but being a lyricist won’t. What I mean by that is, there are people who are great rappers and those who are great lyricist.. you don’t have to be a lyricist to be a great rapper and I think thats where people get confused. Cause lets keep it a buck.. the amount of lyricist we have does not outwieght the amount of artist who can rap.
*Dave East* is too underrated🐐💯.
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@@Power-9Hunniddope list if you take that fraud jay electronica out of the list the coward and Vic Mensa.
Man Dave east is fucking garbage af!!
My Top 5:
Biggie
Nas
G Rap
Pun
Rakim
It's all what personally connects to you. Ain't no rights or wrongs & ain't no absolute 1 Greatest MC/Rapper. No single MC does everything better than every other MC
Dope top 5!
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Pun is underrated smh also great list!
My top 5:
Lord infamous
Half a mill
Pac
Prodigy
Big L
I respect you're list g..all dope MC's I agree it's all about who connects with you.
Styles P & Dave East is🔥🔥🔥🔥Can't wait to Max B home.
DarkskinDrake DEADASS DAVE IS A BEAST!
I’m so glad I grew up in the lox styles p big pun Jay z late 90s early 2000s hiphop
Same. Kids nowadays didn't get that authentic and original vibe rap was back then.
WORD 💯💯💯.... ✌🏼
NY is Back.... Salute to Ghost & East.... Classic Album..... Album on repeat no skips.... 🔥💯💪📶
Best interview I've seen in a minute. The music, the real feelings of the artists, someone who understands the art, conversation about the whole. #Supreme
Thank Rob Markman 4 havin Pac in ur top 5, it was getting hard 4 me 2 breathe up until when u said him! Respect!
Mad love to the boy Dave East. My fucking favorite rapper. Keeping the culture alive. No one bad track. I got every single record mad love to you and the legend styles P
Lyricism will always matter in hip hop
Bars is making a comeback. Hip Hop was never dead, it was hibernating and you had to go out and find it. Thanks to Styles P & Dave East for a great interview!
Bars have been around forever and they were always there!
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I don't get why ppl put so much focus on mumble rap, making it bigger than it is. There's enough lyricists out there for you to not even have to notice all the "mumbling." Noname, rapsody, j.cole, drake, dave east, and amine all put out really good albums. For the ppl that are saying it's so refreshing to hear this and you one of the few non mumble rappers, it's not true. Ppl just don't take the time out to really search for and listen to good music. And stop blaming the younger generations because many of them were influenced by old trap artists and there are a lot my age and younger who are lyrically gifted but don't get recognized. Turn off the radio and just take some time adventuring through TH-cam.
olavu11 SMH Giant Facts! These are beyond honorary mentions. Ab-Soul, Ka, ELUCID, Denmark Vesey, Conway, Wiki, Roc Marc, Sean P!, Westside G, Benny the butch, Tha God Fahim, Billy Woods, School Boy Q etc
Rapsody!!! 😍😍
LMFAO he said Drake 😂😫
thank you bro im 39 and I've been saying this since 2014
Beno Bean Old Drake had bars fym
"iiiiiiiiiiiiight SO...." I kno a few companies are already too gone but this is a good check for outlets that are on the edge of compromising for $$$. Ive never not learned something when P speaks, never. That last monologue was full of gold.
I like P's humbleness about Dave East reaching out even though P isn't on the radar of most. I feel like if I ever made it big as an artist I would want to collab with every artist who ever meant something to me even if they weren't big. One of my favorites of all time, Chino XL, never made it huge but I would love to get killed on my own track from a fire Chino verse.
2018 was the best all around year in music that I can remember FOR SURE.
Lyrics shows what's in a MC heart and being original identifies your style and flow.
Damn good interview, still need get that album. I been hearing good things. I know it's gonna be heat.
I love lyrical rappers word play is amazing story telling like mubble rap to
1. Stack Bundles
2. Big L
3. Big Pun
4. Biggie
5. G Rap
This album is so dope I’ve been listening to it since it dropped. Lyrics is valued #Beloved
This album is 🔥. Music needs every sound as well as rap. We need super lyrical artist like Immortal technique and DMX and KRS One and loaded Lux and Jay-z and Nas and wu-tang and OutKast. We also need artist to represent the night clubs and drugs and mental health and money. The music is an outlet.
This was an amazing year in Hip Hop. And to top it all off, we even had more beef than we've had in a LONG TIME between Nicki Minaj and Cardi B, Eminem and pretty much every one in hip hop lol, and Drake vs. Pusha T to name a few. The west killed it this year the south killed it this year, and NY is murdering it this year especially with all them legends coming back and making great songs Method Man, Raekwon, Redman, Juellz Santana, Joell Ortiz, Jadakiss, Jay Z, to name a few coming out and dropping straight fire.
I love the way styles respect others and their work. A great matured man right... Much respect for him.
Dave East included
Beloved all the way, 👏👏👍 thanks for such great album from a young and a vet ✊✊
Yo I appreciate this interview son, two of the greats🔥🔥🔥🔥
It's exciting when one of your favorite artist of the past does a project with one of your current favorite rappers. Both underrated AF! This is perfect. They are the Epitomy of Hip-Hop culture.
This was a Outstanding Year 4 HipHop × Bitter Sweet also becus we lost sum Good 1's..
This is our thing! U never lied SP!
The album beloved is a classic it reminds me of the 90's golden era hip-hop when lyrics and substance matter
When we gettin a j cole Dave east Colab tho??????
Styles P is the truth, thx 4 the interview 💯
Mad love 4 Rob. He one of the best at what he does
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Pats Ballin Out This Year life after death?
@@bg23allday1 I like it over that too.
Pats Ballin Out This Year I hear you lol
@@bg23allday1 im not from NY so BIG isn't on that high unreachable pedestal lol, he was good just not in my Top 10.
Pats Ballin Out This Year I feel you. Who your top 5?
This interview was dope af
Love that room! man just lookin' at all that vinyl!
Salute Styles P! He was saying some real shit about the culture!
Great convo! Great minds!
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Good interview
This the only Album I listen to from front to cover.. no songs skip
No matter what. If you want your music to last, you have to say something. You can only get so far on just the beats and a melody.
I grew up listening to 90s hip hop being a 80s baby. Lyrics and beats are a beautiful thing when the artist loves their craft. Not disrespecting today’s generation but it’s more like a get your money and enjoy the fruits of your labor type of vibe how I see it in regards of the music not being deep and too lyrical. Look at The Migos, mumble rappers or Tekashi 69 they want to turn up and have fun. Nothing wrong with that...this is their time. Just don’t say as you guys get older..that y’all was very lyrical. #turnup
The answer is yes, just not in Mainstream hip hop which to me is conpletely fine. If i wanna listen to Skyzoo and Kendrick or Pusha T. Ill go do that and if i wanna listen to some shit to just to bump to and sing along to ill listen to some drake or travis scott
This guy gets it. There's no reason we can't have both.
I see hiphop.. I click. Really that simple.
Awesome interview but lyrics and beats are equally most important to me. Everything else is secondary. This is all music. 🙌🏽
lyricism does matter, however we are in the turn up era. its about dancing and having fun. not all songs have to have a deep meaning behind it.
WHAT HE SAID!!🔥😂
But you could turn up to a lot of Ludacris' tracks back in the day. They were fun but they still had some smart and funny lyrics.
Raheem D that’s a good point
There's never been an era where folks wasn't dancing and having fun, now is no different, but the craft was never dismissed in the process . People danced to Biggie, danced to Jayz, danced to Busta, Tribe, Luda, Mase, on and on . Many club bangers and radio hits where folks Could Still Fuckin Rap . These newer dudes are just too brain dead to rap well . Stop the cop out .
"dancing and having fun"
That's the true roots of hip hop right there. When hip hop first started it was lyrically trash but it was fun music to turn up to and piss off the older generation... sound familiar?
history is repeating itself once again where real hip hop will be back in charge for 2019
Lyricism always matter to Hip Hop . Lyricism however, never mattered to the rap industry . Learn the difference, people . The business only caters to what can be mass produced and sold . The culture ( the real culture, not this slang that all this mainstream platforms like to use ) is all about preserving and elevation the craft, entertaining hip hop heads FIRST, not the masses .
The fact is ART always gets watered down when the Business grows . Rap is now the biggest genre of music, right at the time when the Rapper has the least expectation to be talented .
YES IT STILL MATTERS,it matters now more than ever in this climate of Rap music
Styles p is so down to earth 🌏
My top five
DMX
Heavy D
Mos Def
Nas
Eve
I believe it does! The problem is that most lyricists aren’t good songwriters & only care about delivering punchlines instead of using metaphors, similes & hyperbole to strengthen to point of the song. Plus, the production is usually dated!
Prime example: Canibus. He was the reason why the lyricist/freestyle battle rapper was no longer taken seriously in the mainstream.
Great interview! Lyrics always matter. A Rapper os not an EMCEE.
Speaking from experience, being a lyrical rapper trying to make it in this age is hard as shit. Niggas don't wanna listen to songs if they can't start dancing after hearing it for 20 seconds. Kinda sucks to fill a 3 minute song with dope flows, concepts, bars, metaphors etc but every single person is like "oh so you're like one of the old school rappers". No bitch I'm just a rapper.
C R I S C O Keep goin my G, the real shit bout to return. Lyrics matter
@@cbmpire Thank you bro I appreciate it, that's why I got into the shit.
C R I S C O 💯
For me without lyricism there ain't no hip hop,lyricism is the core foundation of hip hop.
Creativity means to destroy the Old. Everything has an ending. Nothing stays the same. The future is bright.
Lyricism determines a good rapper. But that doesn’t matter anymore since the audience has changed now. People wanna listen to the sound rather than the lyrics. I can respect it.
My top 5:
Pac
Em
Royce
Black Thought
MF Doom
My last 3 spots depend on when I'm asked..
Peace & Love.. ☺
Lyricism is hip hop If u ain't got bars do ya self a favor and put the mic down
Talk yo shit! Hip Hop is lyricism... that's how black people in particular got the message out to mention one... mumble rap will fade. Facts
Styles is up there
19:02 straight up facts
Lyricism doesn't always matter as long as you have good content
Real interview real rap amazing
AND MY MAN BLACK THOUGHT IS UNDER RATE TO HE'S REAL DOPE
lyricism does matter, however we are in an era where more young hip hop artists are exploring different sounds to express their emotions rather than using words and crafting dope rhymes. I think that hip hop has come to a tipping point where the sound and music is more important than the lyrics and to these younger artists it feels like an unexplored side of hip hop that they are currently the first generation to pioneer.
Back in the day if you couldn't spit, then you best not step! PERIOD!
Love the album beloved! #BarsisBack
mush Respek to Style's p Dave East that's Respek the Culture with real bar's lyricist in rap game OGs legend Style's p is one best lyricist in rap game that's way Style's p is my Favorite rapper all time
Nas, lupe fiasco, tech n9ne, Aesop rock, Mf doom, black thought. That’s my top 5 (not a Goat list) cause I grew up with hip hop in the 00’s. these are also the best lyricists
Black Thought
Busta Rhymes! !!!!!
Wussup with the 5 elements. Bboys.
I love this channel. I'm a big believer in lyrics. I feel the great lyricists stand the test of time. Ludacris, T.I., eminem, tupac, nas, lil wayne, biggie. We are a rap group and we try and focus on lyrics. We ain't any good lol but at least qe tryin!
Work on your flow and delivery.
@@shauncameron8390 we appreciate the listen man thanks for the honest input💯
Dave east is a future legend 🙏
Styles P is so dead on point about Nas. Represent and Illmatic as a whole change what Rappers had to be, it's why the Album is so celebrated, even down to the language choices, the imagery, subject matter selection. You can tell Nas was a hip-hop head.
no wonder hip hop doesnt sell, only in America do people listen to hip hop, all around the globe people listen to afro beats, house, island music roots etc, a hip hop new release is now like a twitter trend on a friday then forgotten about the following week, these guys will have 100 million streams (from record label payola bots) but only 1k albums sold, its like hip hop no longer makes you want to dress walk or talk like them no more, because the lyricism is gone people cant connect to it any more I very much doubt it will be dominant in the next 10 years, if it doesnt revert back to its original form as most people I know listen to more old hip hop then new
This shit was dope🔥
5:56 That Part 💯💯💯
8:54 I pray I never see the pen! 😩 Meaning, Styles P & Jay Z are 2 that I know off the bat that right everything in their mind and Bammm! Wtf bro! 🤤🙌🏽
I think this is the best time for lyricism.....
Same top 5 as East. Respect my G
My top 5 in no particular order:
Lloyd Banks
Notorious B.I.G.
50 cent
Joe Budden
Young Buck ( or 2Pac or eminem, it switches). I'm 20 from Sweden.
Qu ill Budden is a fucking problem with the mike. The most underrated mc ever
+Zach Floyd Him and Lloyd Banks are the most underrated MC's ever in my opinion. They are very successful and rich don't get me wrong, but they don't get mentioned enough when it comes to the best MC's to ever do it. Their song ''Transitions'' is just too good.
Dave East cold af
Lyricism will ALWAYS MATTER #PERIOD
Lyricism will always matter but you don't need it to be successful or a star. Travis, Future, Thugga have all spit lyrical shit before but they're known for the best production, flow and the way they use their voice to become part of the beat.
STYLES P IS UNDER RATED AND HE IS VERY LYRICAL ONE OF THE DOPEST OUT
Wat u say doesnt matter these days its how u deliver it
beloved album is nothing but flames. too nice
Facts respect your history or you will have no future. Lyrics are EVERYTHING
I'm a simple man, I see Dave East, I thumbs it up.
Shit, Im probably a Medium old head. 😂😂.
Dope ass set
Rob swear he's a dope lyricist . Relax, you just alright .
😂😂😂😂😂
Stop hating clown who are you
“I know i get down” 😂😂😂
Lmao
We’re all products of our time, everyone’s top 5 represents the time they live in, no is right or wrong. I love hear everyone’s top 5 because we can see the time they were in
Mine is In no order top 6
Eminem
Wayne
Drake
Cole
Kendrick
Honorable mentions: Eminem & Biggie
Leandro Portillo u put em twice bro 😂