Came to comment about this series, Rivers of London and the other books set a great scene. They describe my home city really well and I learned a lot about the rivers. Nothing will ever top Discworld as my favourite series though, but I'm so glad you enjoy the books so much!😊
Absolutely love them!! I'm listening to them on audiobook (narrated by Kobna Holdbrook-Smith) for the umpteenth time right now. Get the graphic novels for my birthday - very excited for more Rivers of London stories.
This is actually quite common in old Cities, mostly in Europe but probably elsewhere too. If you live in a bigger city in Europe, there's probably a hidden river running somewhere underneath it.
@@yogarcia6066 I'm not that familiar with every city, but I know for example that my home city of Tallinn has a few running below it as well. Perhaps Barcelona has tried not to do it. But I've heard it's a pretty common occurrence
The Fleet became a public sewer in Tudor times already. It gave its name to Fleet Street. When you go up the hill towards St. Paul's, you're going up the east side of the Fleet valley.
Yeah it was officially incorporated into the sewage system of today in the late 1800s, the Tyburn and Westbourne were also incorporated into sewers. They only convey sewage and rain water now
There's a children's book called "Gangsta Granny," which is exactly this. A kid and his grandmother break into the palace via a river and then a sewer, in order to steal the Crown Jewels.
In the fall when the leaves on trees are starting to turn orange and yellow the trees sitting atop water closest to the surface will change first. When viewed from the air it makes it very easy to trace hidden streams and other waterways.
When I still lived in Essex we had a brook under our street. The road was named after it. The whole property I lived in was built to allow the water to flow below but still look like a normal street above. The water available was so good that back when it was all done the property had an orchard on it originally. We still had to apple trees and a pear tree if memory served me right.
The 400yo pub I grew up in has small stream running through the cellar. Unfortunately they knocked down the beautiful pub & built shops & flats on the grounds. 1 slight future problem they might have is that the stream wasn’t marked on any plans & they probably built without making any adjustments for the stream! I see it as their own fault for not allowing a preservation order.
@@1800CAHFLOW it was until an electric cut & the sump pump stopped working . Trying to change barrels whilst wading through knee high water! Oh plus you could only stand up straight if you were under 5’2”.
John Rogers has always been fascinated by the 'lost' rivers of London. Check out his channel, where he walks in various parts of London and (sometimes) elsewhere.
They’ve been doing this in Manchester. When a site with a culvert falls out of use rather than building back over it they are opening the river back up. It’s pretty neat.
A similar thing happened to some waterways in my hometown here in the US. Though, probably for a different reason. There's a small creek fed by a nearby spring in the town that's now almost entirely buried. Some time in the early history of the town, the locals called it "trash creek" because... well, everyone just threw their trash in it. The town got sick of it and opted to build a 7 mile long culvert to the river where it drained into. The culvert was then buried. I've heard some people say that some houses that were built directly over the culvert had direct access to the stream in their basements. But i can't be 100% sure. Interestingly enough, no current maps reflect the creeks location.
In my hometown we actually got a really hidden river. It flows through a forest, down a waterfall and through fields. But at the first house there is a street and the river goes underneath a seemingly road bridge. But on the other side of the "bridge" there is a green garden, no river visble anymore. The next time you can see the river is after a couple houndred meters in the city centre were there is an underground garden belonging to one of the buildings with greenery and the river flowing through (this garden is closed whenever it rains because the small river gets 10times bigger). And then after another half a kilometer on the other side of the city there is a big river and you can see a concrete opening in a green hill which leads into the big river. Exept for those 3 points nobody knows where the river flows along. On some maps it just ends at the beginning of the city, on other maps there is a straight line directly to the big river (closest point, not where the opening is) on others there is a straight line to the opening. But on none of the maps the river flows through the building where you can actually see it...
The same thing has happened in Tokyo, interestingly enough. There is an interesting project going on at the moment where they are trying to resurface the rivers as part of reclaiming the region’s natural beauty.
More likely an attempt to compete with Kyoto's appeal and gain back some of the tourism lost to people that yeet that way instead of staying in Tokyo when they get there.
You should reopen all of them, put a green space on either side with a park and running space, then clean up the water. Water is life! Everyone will be so much happier!
@@mnomadvfx Sounds like they'd be given a new house for their moving pains. I've even seen whole buildings moved before so maybe they wouldn't lose a house just upgrade their view. Plus if unemployment is high a good way to solve is a government paid construction projects.
That does help explain some of Dishonored's level design, the game is heavily patterned after 1800's England and Scotland. There's almost always a sewer level rout in buildings Edit: fixed to say 1800's, not 1900's
The most profound and beautiful time of my life was a month in London when I was 24 & in love, the memories your videos pervoke are more precious than I can express God bless you
I couldn't imagine a month in London today, non stop rat race is what it feels like just for the few 5 day spans I've spent there. I suppose you can get used to anything given the time tho.
@@houseofcheung well I tried to reply to this with a link but it wouldn't post for some reason? You should be able to Google "Chaosium" and "Rivers of London RPG" and find it though
@@dorukgolcu9191 Found your art and it's fucking amazing! You got yourself a new follower; I haven't worked for RPGs outside of France Yet, but who knows, I might do work for Chaosium in the next couple years.
The fleet’s source is on Hampstead Heath. There is a chain of artificial lakes running from Kenwood House that were originally constructed to irrigate the gardens. The Rivers are featured in Ben Aaronovitch’s Rivers of London novels, as well as Neverwhere by Neil Gaiman.
and not just in london. I saw a video on canal works in Manchester, and the bit of canal they drained had a plughole that went into the river underneath.
Yeah Tokyo & Washington d.c. have hidden Rivers. But the one in d.c. has security on it because of where it passes under a nearby. But at least there's a temp like in Los Angeles for rewilding the river like Los Angeles River which is concrete mostly
Got a tattoo in the basement of a tattoo studio kentish town a few years ago. I asked about the running water noise and the artist opened a door in the wall and the river was just running past. She's moved now because the basement flooded in really heavy rain.
In the US, settlers tried to do this but instead simply filled the rivers in. The implications of this tactic on stormwater management are... interesting
My old primary school is located in Northcote Rd Baptist Church which sits atop an old river that’s now buried under Northcote Rd in south London. During heavy rains the bottom of the crypt (which long ago was turned into classrooms) would flood and we’d all have to tiptoe around puddles of water. That was many years ago and I’ve since moved away so I’ve no idea whether any of that was rectified at all.
The fleet,tyburn and Westbourne are sewers, they are intercepted by larger sewers that take the water to treatment works, so they don't really exist. The Neckinger does still exist as a small stream.
I remember a drain cover just around the corner from my grandparents place. If you stood on or nearby it, then you could hear rushing water below. My grandad told me that it was the rover Graveny and walked me up the road to where it surfaced for a very brief section before going below ground again. I’d never realised how many of these rivers exist until watching this.
Frog water! 🐸 The many lovely bits of froggy waters of London. Does all the Frog water around London flow into the Thames? Have a happy Froggy water walk about! 👍
These hidden rivers (as well as some of the sewers they're now attached to) were a major clue in Thrones, Dominations by Dorothy L Sayers & Jill Paton Walsh. Set in 1936. Is the Cranbourne on your map?
As an Australian I don't think I've ever really understood the depth of European cities. The idea that by the 16th century London had already risen high enough to bury a river is just nuts. How deep does London go?
If you read the excellent "Peculiar Crimes Unit" mystery book series, they often mention London's underground rivers. There's also a more fantasy series called (I think) "The Rivers of London" [I've read a few of these, and enjoyed them].
If you go down Fleet Street on the top floor of the bus at the moment, you can see a massive building site with giant blue pipes at a strange angle and that is the river fleet harnessed into the basement of the building that they have to build around. The Tyburn river can be seen above ground inside the Greys antiques centre, in the second part of the building, which is currently under renovation works, in the basement it is a water feature with fish in it. It is the river though and is also used to cool the central line tube station.
Two things I noticed: 1. Her wedding ring set is very classic and pretty. Maybe an antique? 2. She seems comfortable gesturing with her left hand. Have I discovered a fellow south paw? 😃
I wonder if the Palace was deliberately sited over the river to use the water? If not clean enough for drinking it might have been clean enough for laundry etc.
I am not surprised at all. There are streams in Manhattan (now in tunnels under all the concrete). The reason why the NYC subway doesn't get flooded is because there are generators constantly running, holding all the water back.
Gray's antiques near Bond Street claim you can see the Tyburn in a culvert in their basement...heavily disputed though (Tyburn does 'flow' nearby but it's pretty much a sewer).
There are two underground rivers in Porto, Portugal as well - rio Frio and rio da Vila, both of which oftentimes undergo works due to Porto's metro network construction/expansion.
Standing on the District/Circle platform at Victoria you can often hear the sound of rushing water. I have often wondered if that was an underground river.
The River Peck in Southwark goes through Honor Oak then comes fully above ground in Peckham Rye Park before going back underground again. I often wish they'd let it just flow freely, it would change the area completely.
Looking at the comments I see many here are familiar with The Rivers of London. A great little series of detective/police procedural/and a dose of magic.
We have the same situation here in Baltimore Maryland USA. During a 19th century cholera epidemic, rivers were covered over and they now run beneath the city. But here we call the uncovering “daylighting.”
That map completely ignores the River Wandle which joins the Thames at Wandsworth Bridge by the roundabout. It can be traced through Wandsworth, from earlsfield, then Merton Abby mills. It goes further but that's all I've personally explored. It's a fantastic walk.
When we had guests in London we would often bring them to Sloane Square to show them the River Westbourne, which is in a pipe above the train platform.
The same is true in New York City. All the rivers and creeks are built over. Every wonder where the name Brooklyn comes from? Brook Lane or Brook Land take your pick sources vary. So many waterways they left their memory on the name.
There are many manholes located around London that give access to these rivers and you can identify them best after Heavy rain if you stand next to them you can hear the roaring torrent going through them.
Yeah because France demolished the Palace of Versailles after getting rid of their monarch. The palace would just be repurposed or made into a museum, not demolished you clown.
Technically it is called “daylighting” a river to reopen it. Rewilding is more about ecological restoration broadly.
Both would work
both good
Not only that rewilding has a lot of negative stuff behind it, not all environmental policies are created equal.
@@jonathaneubanks9026explain.
Thanks for this. I like the term daylighting.
The Rivers of London is my favorite book series
Came to comment about this series, Rivers of London and the other books set a great scene. They describe my home city really well and I learned a lot about the rivers. Nothing will ever top Discworld as my favourite series though, but I'm so glad you enjoy the books so much!😊
I really enjoyed this series
yeah I was going to say something about the books too, they are pretty good but not my favourite I guess.
Absolutely love them!! I'm listening to them on audiobook (narrated by Kobna Holdbrook-Smith) for the umpteenth time right now. Get the graphic novels for my birthday - very excited for more Rivers of London stories.
Great series.
This is actually quite common in old Cities, mostly in Europe but probably elsewhere too. If you live in a bigger city in Europe, there's probably a hidden river running somewhere underneath it.
I live in Barcelona, I've looked it up and there's none here 🙁
@@yogarcia6066 I'm not that familiar with every city, but I know for example that my home city of Tallinn has a few running below it as well. Perhaps Barcelona has tried not to do it. But I've heard it's a pretty common occurrence
Ours is not in Europe but it has a few hidden rivers another few still overground
I'm sure it is! Just thought Barcelona would be one of those ☺
Bristol in the UK is well known for 'being built on two rivers' but you can see very little of the river nowadays.
The Fleet became a public sewer in Tudor times already. It gave its name to Fleet Street.
When you go up the hill towards St. Paul's, you're going up the east side of the Fleet valley.
Yeah it was officially incorporated into the sewage system of today in the late 1800s, the Tyburn and Westbourne were also incorporated into sewers. They only convey sewage and rain water now
Well now I want to see a 007 style film of breaking onto the place from the river
Welcome to the Buckingham jungle room, complete with running river and ...oh, hello 007, glad you could join us!!
There's a children's book called "Gangsta Granny," which is exactly this. A kid and his grandmother break into the palace via a river and then a sewer, in order to steal the Crown Jewels.
@@tsumugikotobuki0131 oh my god I remember that! Just unlocked a core memory for me
thr's a chunk of stories whr they mention underground rivers to steal stuff or smt, im guessing those r inspired by london
classic doctor who did something like that with the river fleet
The River Westbourne (another lost London river) flows in a pipe above the platform at Sloane Square Tube Station.
I came here to say that, and it is really obvious when you know.
That's amazing!
In the fall when the leaves on trees are starting to turn orange and yellow the trees sitting atop water closest to the surface will change first. When viewed from the air it makes it very easy to trace hidden streams and other waterways.
Huh, really? If so: I wonder why…
When I still lived in Essex we had a brook under our street. The road was named after it. The whole property I lived in was built to allow the water to flow below but still look like a normal street above. The water available was so good that back when it was all done the property had an orchard on it originally. We still had to apple trees and a pear tree if memory served me right.
The 400yo pub I grew up in has small stream running through the cellar. Unfortunately they knocked down the beautiful pub & built shops & flats on the grounds. 1 slight future problem they might have is that the stream wasn’t marked on any plans & they probably built without making any adjustments for the stream! I see it as their own fault for not allowing a preservation order.
@@1800CAHFLOW it was until an electric cut & the sump pump stopped working . Trying to change barrels whilst wading through knee high water! Oh plus you could only stand up straight if you were under 5’2”.
The Met line regularly floods at Farringdon because one of the buried rivers flows beneath the tracks there 😅
Feels like the river spirit saying "you can take me down, but you'll never get rid of me!"😆
you would THINK they'd learn to not do shit like this xD
Would that be The Fleet, perhaps?
Please do a longer video about London's hidden rivers. Pretty please?
Yes please! That would be great
Please!!
The green bridge crossing the tracks at Slone Square Underground station isn't a bridge, it's an aqueduct and transports river Westborne
John Rogers has always been fascinated by the 'lost' rivers of London. Check out his channel, where he walks in various parts of London and (sometimes) elsewhere.
They’ve been doing this in Manchester. When a site with a culvert falls out of use rather than building back over it they are opening the river back up. It’s pretty neat.
A similar thing happened to some waterways in my hometown here in the US. Though, probably for a different reason. There's a small creek fed by a nearby spring in the town that's now almost entirely buried. Some time in the early history of the town, the locals called it "trash creek" because... well, everyone just threw their trash in it. The town got sick of it and opted to build a 7 mile long culvert to the river where it drained into. The culvert was then buried. I've heard some people say that some houses that were built directly over the culvert had direct access to the stream in their basements. But i can't be 100% sure.
Interestingly enough, no current maps reflect the creeks location.
"Are they hidden?" "Yes, I have a map!"
Seriously though love this content you're a gem
I thought the same thing and then realized she meant hidden in the sense that they’re hidden from view lol
To be fair they are still hidden from the general public. Just cause she has a map to know where they are doesn’t mean she can see them in person lol
In my hometown we actually got a really hidden river. It flows through a forest, down a waterfall and through fields. But at the first house there is a street and the river goes underneath a seemingly road bridge. But on the other side of the "bridge" there is a green garden, no river visble anymore. The next time you can see the river is after a couple houndred meters in the city centre were there is an underground garden belonging to one of the buildings with greenery and the river flowing through (this garden is closed whenever it rains because the small river gets 10times bigger). And then after another half a kilometer on the other side of the city there is a big river and you can see a concrete opening in a green hill which leads into the big river.
Exept for those 3 points nobody knows where the river flows along. On some maps it just ends at the beginning of the city, on other maps there is a straight line directly to the big river (closest point, not where the opening is) on others there is a straight line to the opening. But on none of the maps the river flows through the building where you can actually see it...
The same thing has happened in Tokyo, interestingly enough. There is an interesting project going on at the moment where they are trying to resurface the rivers as part of reclaiming the region’s natural beauty.
More likely an attempt to compete with Kyoto's appeal and gain back some of the tourism lost to people that yeet that way instead of staying in Tokyo when they get there.
@@mnomadvfx
Probably both reasons are valid
Wasn't the area of Tokyo more marshland like?
@@franhunne8929 No clue, all I know is that there were a lot of rivers and now most are underground.
Oh my! I’m writing my dissertation on rewilding. Though I live in London I thought about focusing on mainland Europe, but now I might rethink that.
Rivers of London prepared me for this xD
Right? Knowing that Tyburn runs under the palace explains so much about her personality.
You should reopen all of them, put a green space on either side with a park and running space, then clean up the water. Water is life! Everyone will be so much happier!
Probably not the people that are actually living on top of them now 😂
@@mnomadvfx Sounds like they'd be given a new house for their moving pains. I've even seen whole buildings moved before so maybe they wouldn't lose a house just upgrade their view. Plus if unemployment is high a good way to solve is a government paid construction projects.
@@DaveAwesomethere is no way the Tories would allow this, also there are just too many of these to open all of them.
They did this in Cincinnati. Look up the Lick Run Greenway.
Bringing the rivers back into view is also called "daylighting" or "deculverting".
That does help explain some of Dishonored's level design, the game is heavily patterned after 1800's England and Scotland. There's almost always a sewer level rout in buildings
Edit: fixed to say 1800's, not 1900's
The Bolton strid is very interesting, they still don’t know where all the water actually goes
Paul tallings books and tours on this are awesome!
The most profound and beautiful time of my life was a month in London when I was 24 & in love, the memories your videos pervoke are more precious than I can express God bless you
I couldn't imagine a month in London today, non stop rat race is what it feels like just for the few 5 day spans I've spent there.
I suppose you can get used to anything given the time tho.
There is a hidden creek in DC, also called "Tiber." It runs the length of Constitution Avenue, all the way to the Anacostia River!
Just discovered your channel so immediately subscribed. Great content but love your voice and your hilarious sense of humour. 🐨🇦🇺
Tbh, an arch going completely through the Buckingham palace with a river in the middle would sound amazing
In terms of dealing with a wetter climate open rivers work a lot better (and cheaper) than other artificial water management infrastructure
Recently listened to The Rivers of London and the Buckingham palace bit suddenly explains Lady Ty's...persona.
I am reading Ben Aaronovitch’s Rivers of London. This is so relatable ❤️
I have done some art for the rpg adaptation!!!
@@dorukgolcu9191 got a link I can check out?
@@houseofcheung well I tried to reply to this with a link but it wouldn't post for some reason? You should be able to Google "Chaosium" and "Rivers of London RPG" and find it though
@@dorukgolcu9191 Found your art and it's fucking amazing! You got yourself a new follower; I haven't worked for RPGs outside of France Yet, but who knows, I might do work for Chaosium in the next couple years.
The fleet’s source is on Hampstead Heath. There is a chain of artificial lakes running from Kenwood House that were originally constructed to irrigate the gardens. The Rivers are featured in Ben Aaronovitch’s Rivers of London novels, as well as Neverwhere by Neil Gaiman.
Check out Ben Aaronovitch's Rivers of London series (Harry Potter meets Sherlock Holmes) for an interesting take on this.
and not just in london. I saw a video on canal works in Manchester, and the bit of canal they drained had a plughole that went into the river underneath.
I love your videos. Can you make one about really cool old libraries where you can still read or buy books, please? Especially old books 😀
Never read "Rivers of London" by Ben Aaronovitch, anybody? Great book!
There’s a tour offered in Detroit that shows you the location of hidden rivers. Most major cities have hidden rivers.
Loads around where I live, The Ravensbourne, Pool, Quaggy
Yeah Tokyo & Washington d.c. have hidden Rivers. But the one in d.c. has security on it because of where it passes under a nearby.
But at least there's a temp like in Los Angeles for rewilding the river like Los Angeles River which is concrete mostly
Got a tattoo in the basement of a tattoo studio kentish town a few years ago. I asked about the running water noise and the artist opened a door in the wall and the river was just running past. She's moved now because the basement flooded in really heavy rain.
Same in most major cities. Bradford used to have a ferry in the city centre. The river is now in a pipe.
I think they should manage the rivers underground for ecological use. Maybe rewilding, or wetland use etc.
New York too. You can see them in the subways sometimes.
Amazing content. I look forward to going to London , again
Secret River under the Houses of Parliament you say? Humm. Does anyone have any spare gunpowder?
In the US, settlers tried to do this but instead simply filled the rivers in. The implications of this tactic on stormwater management are... interesting
My old primary school is located in Northcote Rd Baptist Church which sits atop an old river that’s now buried under Northcote Rd in south London. During heavy rains the bottom of the crypt (which long ago was turned into classrooms) would flood and we’d all have to tiptoe around puddles of water. That was many years ago and I’ve since moved away so I’ve no idea whether any of that was rectified at all.
The fleet,tyburn and Westbourne are sewers, they are intercepted by larger sewers that take the water to treatment works, so they don't really exist. The Neckinger does still exist as a small stream.
Rivers? We'd call those streams or creeks in the States. By definition, a waterway has to be 100 miles long to be classified as a 'river' in the USA.
I’m hoping for rewilding in Britain. It’s one of the saddest countries as far as biodiversity goes.
I remember a drain cover just around the corner from my grandparents place. If you stood on or nearby it, then you could hear rushing water below.
My grandad told me that it was the rover Graveny and walked me up the road to where it surfaced for a very brief section before going below ground again. I’d never realised how many of these rivers exist until watching this.
I'd love to see them. Is there any sort of series on this?
I'd suggest first of all doing a youtube search for "londonist river". They have a series where they walk the routes of the old rivers.
Frog water! 🐸 The many lovely bits of froggy waters of London. Does all the Frog water around London flow into the Thames? Have a happy Froggy water walk about! 👍
Love your vids! Always learn something and that’s wonderful
These hidden rivers (as well as some of the sewers they're now attached to) were a major clue in Thrones, Dominations by Dorothy L Sayers & Jill Paton Walsh. Set in 1936.
Is the Cranbourne on your map?
There are some hidden underground in Uppsala Sweden too.
They are quite useful in naturally flushing the London sewer system.
As an Australian I don't think I've ever really understood the depth of European cities. The idea that by the 16th century London had already risen high enough to bury a river is just nuts. How deep does London go?
São Paulo, Brazil also has a number of underground rivers, including the one where the city was founded, Anhangabaú.
Would be so cool if you could show them too! Love your story telling ability
Learned this when I read „Rivers of London“, but I didn‘t know there was a map! Nice video!! 🎉😊
If you read the excellent "Peculiar Crimes Unit" mystery book series, they often mention London's underground rivers. There's also a more fantasy series called (I think) "The Rivers of London" [I've read a few of these, and enjoyed them].
If you go down Fleet Street on the top floor of the bus at the moment, you can see a massive building site with giant blue pipes at a strange angle and that is the river fleet harnessed into the basement of the building that they have to build around.
The Tyburn river can be seen above ground inside the Greys antiques centre, in the second part of the building, which is currently under renovation works, in the basement it is a water feature with fish in it. It is the river though and is also used to cool the central line tube station.
Two things I noticed:
1. Her wedding ring set is very classic and pretty. Maybe an antique?
2. She seems comfortable gesturing with her left hand. Have I discovered a fellow south paw? 😃
She's holding the camera with her right hand.
I wonder if the Palace was deliberately sited over the river to use the water? If not clean enough for drinking it might have been clean enough for laundry etc.
I am not surprised at all. There are streams in Manhattan (now in tunnels under all the concrete). The reason why the NYC subway doesn't get flooded is because there are generators constantly running, holding all the water back.
Uh, never thought about that! So interesting!
Am I right to remember that there's a hidden bridge underground, and over one of these hidden rivers?
Gray's antiques near Bond Street claim you can see the Tyburn in a culvert in their basement...heavily disputed though (Tyburn does 'flow' nearby but it's pretty much a sewer).
There are two underground rivers in Porto, Portugal as well - rio Frio and rio da Vila, both of which oftentimes undergo works due to Porto's metro network construction/expansion.
Standing on the District/Circle platform at Victoria you can often hear the sound of rushing water. I have often wondered if that was an underground river.
The vast ruins that show up under cities in fantasy stories makes a lot more sense when you look at how actual cities get built.
The River Peck in Southwark goes through Honor Oak then comes fully above ground in Peckham Rye Park before going back underground again. I often wish they'd let it just flow freely, it would change the area completely.
Looking at the comments I see many here are familiar with The Rivers of London. A great little series of detective/police procedural/and a dose of magic.
Toronto also has a bunch of buried creeks and rivers
We have the same situation here in Baltimore Maryland USA. During a 19th century cholera epidemic, rivers were covered over and they now run beneath the city. But here we call the uncovering “daylighting.”
That map completely ignores the River Wandle which joins the Thames at Wandsworth Bridge by the roundabout. It can be traced through Wandsworth, from earlsfield, then Merton Abby mills. It goes further but that's all I've personally explored. It's a fantastic walk.
There's one in Newcastle under Grey Street, that's why it's that shape.
By the time it was buried the Fleet was essentially an open sewer. Perhaps a fitting place for the UK press to get its name.
When we had guests in London we would often bring them to Sloane Square to show them the River Westbourne, which is in a pipe above the train platform.
Fun seeing my old home town from a different type of presentation! 😍🤪😋🤓🇬🇧🏴
Really interesting. Thanks
Ben Aaronovitch prepared me for this
How else do you think George I could’ve had himself some good plumbing without a river running through Buckingham Palace?
The same is true in New York City. All the rivers and creeks are built over. Every wonder where the name Brooklyn comes from? Brook Lane or Brook Land take your pick sources vary. So many waterways they left their memory on the name.
There are many manholes located around London that give access to these rivers and you can identify them best after Heavy rain if you stand next to them you can hear the roaring torrent going through them.
Subterranean London is so fascinating
Dublin also has hidden rivers, you can see them joining the liffey from pipes
Aaronovitch fans know
Maybe my American view that a river has a channel width of at least a few yards. These appear to be merely streams at best.
Its so weird to hear the names that I've come to know through the Rivers of London series! Fleet, I know her!
Very interesting!!
:-P if you want to learn about them: read the "Rivers of London" books (urban fantasy) were these underground rivers are goddesses attached to them.
Awesome
I'll add demolishing Buckingham palace to my list of reasons to abolish the monarchy.
Yeah because France demolished the Palace of Versailles after getting rid of their monarch.
The palace would just be repurposed or made into a museum, not demolished you clown.
This is some r/atheist type of cringe
Why would destroying property paid for by the tax payer help?
@@KatieM786 well they'd stop having to pay for it for one
@@JesusChrist42000 What does atheism have to do with British republicanism?
Not everything is about you Jesus, get over yaself.
The same is true for Manhattan or many other built-up urban areas.
There's a department store somewhere in London that has an exposed stretch of river in the lowest level.
Toronto Canada has buried creeks / small rivers.
I dunno.
A palace with its own personal river inside sounds like something royality would do
I knew about the Neckinger because of an episode of Silent Witness.