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The only thing I can say is that all the industry needs to take a very close look at what Marantz is doing. They’re listening, and they also are delivering. Two things most brands fail at one or the other or even both (looking at you Rotel). Bravo Marantz. And I probably would still go with Stereo 70 vs Cinema70, but that’s just me. It feels like a damn good and versatile product. Great video and conversation as usual! Hope everyone is having a lovely Sunday and happy Veterans Day, thank you to all those who served and serve still.
Great review! I have the exact combination of a Marantz 70s and Lumina 2s for my bedroom setup. I have it connected to my Ps5 going into my LG C2. For my sub, I have the Rel tzero connected. All I can say is wow! This is the quintessential setup for parents who want to enjoy a good movie, play a game, or listen to music in their room after their kids go to bed. In my main room I have a Marantz 7015 with B&Ws and a 15 inch Rythmik sub. You can guess how many times I've been able to use that system since my toddler and infant came into my life. I love it but we can never use it to it's full potential. Having this Marantz 70s has given me an opportunity to enjoy my music like I once did. The lumina 2s are a perfect pairing and even my wife has now become an audiophile because of how fun it is to listen to music again. However!! I will say I took a serious pause before purchasing the Marantz 70s since the day before Amazon had the Cinema 70 for $999, a dollar cheaper than the stereo 70. Luckily I waited a day and the price went back to normal the next day making my decision easier. But with both units being the same price, it really gave me pause considering I wanted the cinema room correction. It really is a miss that the stereo 70 doesn't have basic correction. I'm sure Amazon will discount the cinema 70 again for the holidays so be aware. For me and my use, I don't want the surround so stereo 70 was the right choice. One last thing, Kristi is correct in that people will compare this to a soundbar. I considered this against the Samsung 900 series and while I appreciate the flexibility of the soundbar, you just can't compare the sound quality of the Marantz. I chose the Marantz for two reasons: hdmi connectivity (I find arc troublesome and didn't want to deal with it if I choose a soundbar) and the ability to choose better sounding speakers. Thanks again for your recommendations. You guys steered me to the lumina 2s and I'm grateful! Amazing speakers!
I cannot say enough good things about the Stereo 70/Lumina II setup! Glad I'm not alone. Thanks for watching and for sharing your firsthand experience!
Of course we HAVE to totally agree with Kristi. In all seriousness, I don't feel that the majority of consumers walk into the store knowing the nuanced implications of going either of these routes down the road. They're often subject to trends and salesmanship (aka profit margins). Each setup will work well if you know what is important to you and choose wisely. Same reason why some people enjoy their integrateds while others their separates. Each to his/her own in the pursuit of the desired sound.
If you have more than one thing to plug into active speakers, then I'd easily go the marantz way. I also like that they went 2 channel for us that prefer that over multiple speakers (been there and went back to 2 channel). Also great review, thanks for testing a bit more "odd" products (odd as in a 2ch receiver)! :)
Love the review as always. Two differentiators are that the stereo 70s employs HDAM’s where the cinema 70 does not. Also if having 2 pairs of stereo speakers and A/B-ing them is important, again the stereo 70s will allow this while the cinema70 will not
Good discussion on the STEREO 70 vs CINEMA 70. I think one of the reasons people would buy a stereo over an multi-channel AVR is a mindset for some that they like the idea of a simpler front speakers without the mess of side or rear speakers. I'm one of those people. My upstairs living room is a 3.0 setup and for a long time I felt using my 5.1.2 AVR for this purpose were wasted channels. Then I remembered I could Bi-Amp and actually noticed a slight improvement coming from my speakers. In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't go stereo only and agree with Andrew you do need to consider whether you want more options or not in your setup when deciding between the STEREO 70 and the CINEMA 70.
Andrew, you need to tell these OEMs to put room correction in 2 channel products, even if it's just Audessey. That's why I would go with the Cinema 70s over the Stereo 70s. Even the most basic room correction will set your sub distance for you, including DSP delay. Also with the Audessey app you can limit the correction to 500 hz if you choose. IMO, room correction is the number 1 reason to go with an AVR over a 2 channel integrated.
It's not for me personally. But for $1000, that's one heck of a unit. And I think it would more than satisfy the majority of people. Plus it's a looker too. Good job Marantz. ✌️
After using a Marantz AV receiver Audyssey with room correction I can’t imagine going back to one without it, even in a two channel setup. The Stereo 70 might have lots of features and benefit from Denon-like interface but without room correction I doubt it’s worth the savings compared to the Cinema 70 or other Marantz “AV” receivers. Thanks for making sure that the fact that it doesn’t include room correction clear, but I think that it really needs more attention.
I bought the Marantz Stereo 70s and haven’t missed Audyssey. Love I can now pair my Marantz SR8015 and Stereo 70s via HEOS for wireless connection between both devices.
What made the NR1200 amazing is that you get a music stereo amplifier that works with HDMI ARC and has bass and treble controls. Every other brand misses the point. I don't want 10 speakers in my house and I don't want two amps (one for my TV and one for my record player). Not to mention having to go inside a menu to change the bass or treble. I mean how hard is it to put ARC and two knobs on a stereo amp?
Kristy said what was in my head the entire video, what would be the benefit over the cinema 70. Outside of power. If it was half the price or significantly less in cost, It would make more sense. Originally, I wanted this, because I was going with a 2-channel system in my living room using a NR1200 but because of the way living room is set up, the phantom center doesn’t work well. (Plus, my tower speaker sits in the Christmas tree spot) so I bought a passive soundbar speaker that’s under my tv. With the cinema 70 I can do 3.1 setup, and have everything that the stereo 70 has, put other options should I choose to go another route. I did consider the stereo 70 in my 2-channel room where I have my PS5 and Series X connected to my tv. I mostly listen to music but my McIntosh doesn’t have hdmi arc, but it does have HT bypass so the ST-70 could work there. In the end, bought a node with hdmi arc. The node has arc volume control via coaxial outs and cost less. As for the cinema 70 disrupting the powered speaker market. I’m not sure the size of the market. I know people with soundbars but no one with powered speakers. However, it’s not I know a lot of people. In any case, I always thought passive soundbars with receivers similar to the St-70 would be the dominant market due to flexibility with connections and central wiring. But I also thought the that Samsung tv’s one connect box would transition to all TV’s. Clearly, I know nothing about market design. I think Anthem is coming out with a home theater A/C that’s small and thin enough to hide behind a tv or cabinet. It’s only 5.1 but sounds interesting
KEF dropped the price of the LS50W2 to $2K for the holidays, which is a clear win for anyone looking for an excellent-sounding system. Actually, if you're looking at the pair of LS50Meta (passive) for $400 more you can get an amp, streamer, and a DAC. So, I agree with Kristi, the Marantz is for a different customer.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews so glad you mentioned the 40N in your review! Since I bought the 40N for listening only in the living room, I am so glad you mentioned the Cinema 70 at the end of your review. I think that is would I would have gravitated to if it were to go into my HT space. It just gives more options! Thanks again for your always thoughtful reviews and especially the conversations with Kristi!!❤️🥰❤️
Hi Andrew. You should do a video on your home. Your audio room looks pretty nice and I would like to see how you decorated the house to get some ideas. Thanks for the review!
Does the Stereo70, when streaming a film in 5.1, automatically downmix to two channel when used in a 2.1 setup via the HDMI connection (or does the TV’s digital output have to be switched to 2 channel pcm)? If a service such as Netflix allows you to switch from surround to 2 channel, I’ve noticed the sound is better than when the TV performs the downmix.
Is the Stereo 70s using the same internals as the Denon DRA-900H? Specs seem the same. Would also be interested in how the Stereo 70s compares with the Bluesound POWERNODE.
If you’re into vinyl, the Stereo 79S makes more sense due to its great phono pre-amp. I’m happy with my choice, I’m never going back to surround sound. Too much hassle. The bonus with the Stereo 70s is dedicated external tone controls.
I see this Marantz as a product for a long term small apartment dweller where a jack of all trades receiver makes sense. Which is the definition of a niche market. But I think I side with Kristi on the premise. The lifestyle images of a clutter - less powered speaker setup is what helps the powered speaker sell. A traditional receiver form factor even if this Marantz breaks the mold with a gamut of connections does not inspire a more modern, clutter less lifestyle. Marantz would need to bombard the advertising channels with images that say otherwise in order for the Stereo 70s to torpedo the powered speaker market. Your review certainly opens up some eyes though and I greatly appreciate it. Enjoy your Sunday!
great review!!!!! Walked the DC audio fest Friday......listened to room after room of $$$$$$ systems.........came home......plugged in a vintage Onkyo a 7070 (thanks JUST AUDIO) to a pair of ELAC bookshelf speakers.....proved it doesn't take much create a satisfying system. the ELAC connex were set up in there room....filled the room quite nicely......they were leading with that set up......going on sale today 399.00 a pair Caladens were interesting
This is a fantastic product. Had it for a few months. This is more of a killer to AV receivers than it is to powered speakers. Truly has EVERYTHING the good AV receivers has minus the surround amplification. More and more people are not investing in 5 to 11 speakers. This is the product that is long over do. I bought an outboard amp because my towers needed more power but if you have no interest in surround sound and are going to drive book shelves then stereo 70 is obvious choice. Cinema 70 power too low. It will work with movies at 50 watts but for music not enough unless you have really easy to drive speakers. Great review andrew! I was waiting to hear your opinion on this. Thx!
I feel like the Stereo 70s is more or less the new version of the Marantz NR1200. I've watched your review of the NR1200 and you didn't seem too thrilled about it. I wish you had brought it up in this video review to highlight the differences between the two. While I've no doubt the Stereo 70 is probably much better, the NR1200 is currently $399 on closeout everywhere so I picked one up for a modest bedroom setup I'm building with some Klipsch RP600m's. I'm not expecting to be blown away by any means but curious how this would have compared should I have chosen to save my pennies and gone with the Stereo 70. Great review as always guys and props to Christy for getting additional info to compare the Stereo 70s to the Model 40n :)
Thanks for this comment. I came here hoping to see just that comparison so you have saved me 20 minutes. I actually thought he quite liked the NR 1200, in fact I went out and bought one not long after. I am very satisfied, it is in fact a PM6006 pure audio amp with a video board piggybacked on to it and NOT a multimedia receiver amp being pressed into audio service. Therefore it is properly musical and the onboard DAC is excellent although I would say the MM phono pre-amp is not. On paper the Stereo 70 appears to offer no change. Where the 70 is different seems to be in the updated video/HDMI board (now offering 8K etc). The NR 1200 was listed at $690 at the time but often available for $590 which is what I paid. The Stereo 70 at $1000 is therefore not a compelling upgrade. Edit: Just want to add that although I haven't heard them together I think the RP600m should be an excellent choice. If you are familiar with the term "British sound" I find Klipsch have a very American sound. Its rich and deep but thanks to the horns quite forward and lively. They should liven up the slightly relaxed sounding Marantz.
To me, an owner of a set of Dynaudio active speakers (for my PC), there is a LONG way from a good set of active speakers, to a soundbar or some sad tiny Sonos thingies. I'm with Andrew here. The choice is between active speakers, and a setup using some sort of sound giver, and a set of speakers. Personally i've only considered the active Buchardts, the A500 i think they're called, for a main setup. Otherwise i'm always looking at seperate units, not in the least because of upgradebility, and convenience if something breaks. The one time i thought my Dynaudios were defective i started sweating. Borrowing a set of speakers or some amp, is a lot easier than having to build an entire system because you all in one goes away for repair.
The main reason to buy active speaker for me is the clutter. Secondly the amp-speaker matching which might be a nightmare by buying separates. So i'm with Kristi, the active speaker market doesn't afraid of this product.
Great vid as always - I tend to side with Kristy on this…. Powered speakers folks are looking for more simplicity and don’t want the traditional ‘box’ Example is my own dad. He’s a hifi guy from way back and he recently went with a pair of Sonos 5s to replace some 30 yr old KLFs that finally had seen their day. Cleaned up his whole experience and while he still has over 3k LPs & 2k CDs, he streams 85% of the time.
Andrew and Kristi, thanks for being part of my daily digital lifestyle! This was a fun review. I used to be big on home theater, but my tastes have changed to being more of a two channel guy. And, I'm not sure I'm ready for soundbars, etc. So I am leaning towards Andrew's theory. Sorry Kristi 😄. However, I feel that Andrew's theory rest solely on how Marantz positions and messages this product in the market - and - what other manufacturers might do to follow them. Sorry for the caveat Andrew 😅.
At last it is a question of getting it and how it fits with your other Stereo Setup. The Marantz is not my Amp ,cause i prefer Aluminium at the Front. My Dealer had a Denon dra900h .....the brother of the 70s. What should i say......it is my best Deal for Years. Even my Speakers, Vintage Canton Karat 60 and Monitor Audio 200 apear more round and smooth in Sound. And.. the dra900h is stronger, 100Watt at 8 Ohm per Chanel !
Maybe it was late when I was watching this review, but I realised half way through that Cinema 70 and Stereo 70 are two different products 😅 Anyhow, I'm with Kristi on this one, don't see it as direct competition to powered speakers 🤷
Thank you for this review I got my Marantz 4 days ago and love it. It is such a nice-sounding warm amp and works well with my monitor audio bronze speakers. I am hearing things in my music that I haven't heard before. The only downside is that Heos app. This is why I just stick to my Eversolo DMP-A6 but everything else was very easy to set up.
Andrew and Kristy thank you so much for your reviews. I have an old Denon 3802 RSV. I love how this thing sounds with all its power. I moved it out of my Media / Music room because it has no modern video media inputs. I am considering upgrading to the Cinema 70s because of your review. My late 1980s JBL towers which I love have a sensitivity of 91 at 6 ohms 1/5/8/12 inch. After your review, I want to use the Denon 3802 as an amp (Pre IN) to drive my JBL L7 front with its 100-watt per channel on all 7 amps. I love the sound of the JBL L7s, but they tend to get a little bright. I do drive these speakers at 65-75 DB at times on an inexpensive Costco Yamaha RSV at the moment. I would move the Yamaha to my computer room with the Bose 601 Series III speakers. My musical taste is all over the place, (Big Band, Pop, Soft Rock, Jazz Fusion, R&B, and some classical). I also use Schitts DAC and a headphone amp with HiFiMan headphones. Do you think this would be a good setup (Denon 3802 and Cenima 70S together).
Marantz has made excellent equipment going back to the Model 60, and later the 2270 stereo. The only surround receiver I've ever owned is the giant Marantz with 90 watts x 7 output. It's old, but my movies sound wonderful. I did move my center to an Emotiva 150 watts/channel for my giant front speakers. Sadly the future brought about a Cambridge receiver for my corner system. My main system has an Emotiva pre and Emotiva 125 watt amp. Marantz is too expensive for me now, but I never question the quality.
1000 is a bit much. Id spend the extra 300$ and get an onkyo rz50. Then you get dirac live as well. Dirac license itself is $300 so technically rz50 and this marantz is the same price. Onkyo you get 7.X.4 capability, over 100 watts of power, excellent stereo sound. Even if you only use 2 speakers , i think onkyo is still better
Earlier this year I bought the KEF R3 initially for a stereo system connected to my TV, so I was looking into a stereo receiver with HDMI inputs, for which there are limited options out there. I saw some older models from Denon (DRA-800H) and Marantz (NR1200) and was not convinced until this new Marantz line came out. I jumped into the Cinema 70s because of the slim form factor and the advantage of having pre outs in case I needed more power. But then there was a discount on the Cinema 60, for just around 100 Eur more than the 70s. And that was it, I started my system with the R3 and the Cinema 60. Few weeks later I felt I was lacking on the movie/TV dialogues, no matter how great the "phantom" center produced by the R3 is and no matter how enhanced I was setting the dialogue option on the Marantz. Then I decided to get one of the last R2C center units while they were on sale. Then, my point is that what I initially considered turned out to be away from what I ended up getting. Happily I decided to get the Cinema 60 instead, so I have more flexibility. This Stereo 70s is a nice option with probably no competitors out there, but, be mindful of your future needs.
@@musiclassica I did not test the Cinema 70, went directly to the 60. And I am enjoying it. I am having some difficulties with the HDMi settings though. I don't usually turn on the Marantz, so I want it to be manually turned on by myself... It is connected to my Oppo BluRay player, a Google Chromecast and the Cable TV Box, all signaling to my LG Oled TV. The Chromecast, when turned on it also turns on the Marantz which I don't want. I had some settings working before but recently I changed things and messed with it. Now I don't know the proper settings combination. In the near future I will probably buy a small Sub, something like the SVS 3000 Micro, but first I want to do some room treatment. I want to put some vertical wood panels on the wall just like those on Andrew's room. Other than that, happy with the 60.
Ive said it before. When my marantz home theater preamp died a month before the warranty ended, they not only sent me a new unit, but it was the newer model. (Which i couldnt really afford nowadays).
Thanks! "Back in the day" I believe technically a "receiver" had a tuner built in vs an integrated amp but I assume today having built in streaming qualifies, especially with the ability to stream radio from all over the world. I'm totally with you on the added flexibility of the receiver/speaker combo vs wireless speaker systems, especially when that "wireless" still involves running power cables to each speaker. Keep the 2-channel stuff coming LOL!
The amplifier section of this is nothing like the PM6007, PM8006, PM40n, PM7000n, it is weaker. Just take a look inside, see the difference. The stamped heat sinks are a great clue.
So I can say after buying our home and then realizing I was going to be compromised when it came to the space for our bedroom. This is probably what I'm going with to run a great stereo/home theater system. Having 8k upscaling and a good power output I'm excited to build my system around this unit.
No room correction? Another missed opportunity, since most signals that it amplifies (if not all) all already in the digital domain. Still stuck in the last century, except for the HDMI input. 😉
Andrew, Love your video's! i'm in the market for a Cinema 70 or Stereo 70. I was wondering, what produces the best dound quality for music? Like.. initially i'm more interested in the Stereo, but maybe in the future a 5.1 setup will be there again, and yes, still open for the aditional amp. But what would be best for stereo music now? or would you think there is not much of a difference. Currently have BW707S2 speakers.
In theory, I'm team powered speakers for less clutter and ease of use with HDMI Arc. But... they usually don't compare to separate in terms of warranty. Something like the Marantz Stereo 70s and a pair of Monitor Audio Silver 100 7g is covered by a 5 year warranty. Powered speakers are usually around 2 year warranty, at least for the electronics. I budget for audio gear as a yearly rent and I ruthlessly divide the cost by the warranty length. If it lasts more than the warranty, it's bonus! It's pessimistic, but I can actually afford costlier systems that way when warranty is good!
I feel most if not all receiver manufacturers are either working on or missing the boat on making mid-level surround prepros for the influx of active speakers that's been coming out the last five years. Sure they all have high-end processors and mid-level AVRs today have pre-outs, but then you have several amplifiers sitting idle and basically waste. On the other end of the spectrum we have systems like System Audios Silverback surround hub and the like that are also very upscale and to truly wireless. A 9.2 processor for less than $2k that allows a customer to use active, bi-amped and internally DSP'ed speakers (which for me are THE key selling points for active speakers today) would be a way to stay relevant in a market which IS shifting more towards active speakers
Awesome review! I'm a two channel guy, so this unit is on my list as i don't have hard to drive soeakers (wharfedale diamond 11.2). Is this better than the previous model NR1200 which is going for $450 ish right now with same power rating?
In terms of the demographic buying something like this product; I think that this product would be welcomed by customers looking for a traditional stereo setup with two speakers and possibly with one sub, that is used to rigging up a USB DAC to their phones as an analog input to their current preamp/amp setup, which is also used in tandem with their CD player and possibly phono. Consolidating this into one unit as opposed to buying a streamer or even those with a streamer as a separate component from their preamp/amp set-up would benefit from consolidating components into one centralized unit that can do it all (in terms of what I just describe anyhow) minus MQA rendering. Of course this is strictly that demographic that is only looking for two channel stereo audio playback. Being that there are eight HDMI connections and having an Arc capable HDMI, this further adds to that demographic to those looking to have a centralized device with their living room setup with their TV in mind. I do not see this demographic already not having a couple speakers in mind already and an existing setup with multiple components working together already. Possibly someone looking into getting into this hobby that is being diligent in looking at all the options and coming to the conclusion in a similar fashion with consolidated components in terms of functionality and value. I'm sure there are plenty of demographics out there for this product but I am just thinking about the ones that would be marketed toward this product. I like the fact that Marantz's engineers have stayed true to that warm sound they are known for without compromising their quality of sound. No it's not a valve amp but I really wish that they would make a comeback in a way where the supply demand worked out to a much greater value where it's potential really lies when it comes to tube amplifiers but, we'll probably never get there unfortunately. Going off on a tangent here so I'll stop. I think I may buy this product myself and I really hope that the 75 watt rating at 8 ohms is conservative rather than liberal like a lot of manufacturers do with their marketing these days.
I was in the market for a Bluesound Powernode when I saw that marantz was going to offer this to the market for the same price. The benefit to me would be the extra connectivity. In your opinion, would you still go with the Stereo 70 with a sub woofer or the powernode with a sub woofer?
Still looking to upgrade my preamp for the upstairs stereo. I love exploring options. What i have works fine and sounds fine. Cant wait to figure this out
Bought the Marantz NR1609 back then for around $500, the pre-out as main selling point for an easy/cheap stereo/surround setup, have only surround speakers and subwoofer connected to it, in my small room very nice surround effects, was really pleasantly surprised with Netflix in Dolby Digital+, all series/movies are so much more involving. Would probably buy this one, once i upgrade my television for 120Hz version.
The Stereo 70s is a Cinema 70 that has studied less :) and I perfectly agree with Andrew: while Cinema 70 is a "soundbar killer", this Stereo 70s is a clever solution for those who cannot logistically assemble an MCH system but It has many HDMI sources and wants the flexibility of an integrated, elegant product that makes its duty. The "weak" points for me are the EOS system (horrible if compared with BlueOS for example) and the lack of DIRAC LIVE, which would have immediately brought it in the Olympus of the electronics of this type (IMHO). Congratulations on the review and a dear greeting to both.
If i was on a budget i'd look at the Marantz NR1510 at $400 less. That said, if not on a budget and focusing on 2 channel performance, love the Luxman L-550AXII with meters. 😉
Hi, would you say the Cinema 70s on its own is enough to power the Dali Opticon 2 MK2 as part of a 5.1 setup (rest of the speakers are AudioPro Soniq, so no problem there)?
At the time, I found Marantz slimline AVRs ran hot - not a good thing, which is why I bought a Yamaha RX 601 a few year ago. Now my RX601 is a few years old and I'm looking at what's available. Has Marantz solve the heat issue? Some of us buy slimline because of where they will be housed.
I just got this unit when I couldn’t get the 1200NR. It sounds very good. I only play vinyl and HEOS through it. It’s connected to 2 x 10” Klipsch subs and two Klipsch Ref II tower speakers. I also connected a cheap 13” TV so I could see album art when streaming and for easier setup. I do find I have to turn the volume up higher (around 65) compared to my 150W Sony to get the same volume levels. But, the sound quality is so much better I don’t mind. Maybe I’ll look at that Emotiva amp. Cheers
I still definitely prefer a separate amp and passives. You can then upgrade either separately, obviously, and it should mean the speakers themselves can cost less with the same quality. That said, this unit is not for me - I already got the Cinema 70s which is much more like it for my hybrid home theater / music system. I might wind up with an external power amp for the front three. Honestly, I think it's time for some backlash against the powered speaker and soundbar movement.
Great review and thank you so much for giving true impression on new marantz products! I'm on the fence between stereo 70 and cinema 70. All the features difference is completely clear. I'm still missing your thoughts how do they differ sonically in 2.0/2.1 setup, especially taking into account marantz claims using Hyper Dynamic Amplifier Modules in Stereo 70.
A powered speaker has internal DAC to correct its frequency response flaws. A Cinema 70 has Audissey and dynamic eq that is useful to watch movies at low volumes and still have bass. It has built in bass management too. For me, Stereo 70 is a pointless product. Thanks for reviewing it.
Having owned a soundbar in the past as my gear was in a seperate ‘Hifi’ room, which I completely got rid of because I found I barely listened to my music in there, after moving it all to my living room the soundbar went, never to be replaced again, no matter the soundbar I don’t think you can create better than playing through speakers, do I think this will kill powered speakers? No because like Kristi stated, they are for a different audience that aren’t as ‘audiophile’ I guess, and just want an easy solutions there and then. Looks like a great product, but unfortunately I would never go past 2.1 in my tv so that’s why I upgraded to the Yamaha, as it was feature packed for my needs!
I don't think products like the stereo 70 will overtake wireless speakers. So Kristi is correct. I think you left one important feature out of the cinema 70 in your comparison. The cinema 70 has room correction, that could make a bigger difference in the sound quality especially when using a sub.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I did watch the video. I said you left out room correction as a feature on the cinema 70 when doing your comparison. I think that could be an important feature for some.
I saw that, I know he mentioned no room correction. Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was referring to when Kristi asked about the Stereo 70 vs Cinema 70 and why one might consider one over the other. I think room correction is one possible reason for choosing the Cinema 70 over this one. That comparison starts at about 18:30.
Looks to be the ideal av receiver to replace my soundbar, I was set on getting the marantz nr1200 but this new receiver from them defo looks to be the one I’m gonna go for. The receiver will be powering a pair of Klipsch RP500m ii’s and I may also get a subwoofer further down the line. Is there much difference between the nr1200 and the Stereo 70 when it comes to sound quality.
I somewhat doubt that makers of those aforementioned "smart" speakers are shaking in their boots over the Stereo 70's appearance (most all those companies make conventional loudspeakers too, yes?), but what gratifies me about the existence of this receiver is that it's an additional option for folks like me with a music-first attitude when putting together an audio system, even if there *might* be a flat-screen of some sort hanging somewhere above it. I have an aging-but-robust NAD-based setup in my main system, with a 52" TV on the wall above it (my wife watches far more on that screen than I do), but if the need arose to replace stuff, I think this Marantz would top my shortlist.
Your theory is relavant, but one has more options and diversity with components more for stationary application. The aktiv market one way PA Studio speakers, Genelec, Adam, Kanto etc.. or HiFi , Kef , Elac, Klipsch etc.. are great for flexibilty , moving, smaller spaces quicker setup less equipment to carry around less decision making. You here them ,you like them your good. Instead of all sorts of Bluetooth solutions its a step up into stero phonic listening
The Cinema 70s is £200 cheaper than the Stereo 70 in the UK but I was still considering the Stereo. I think you just helped my make my mind up given what you said at the end. Thanks for your insight.
Two channel guy mostly and concerned more about sound quality in two channels, for sure the Stereo 70. Also a two channel home theater with a sub is AWESOME!!!!
@@ramondelgado6778 I might give it a try once the price comes down a little. The system will be a pair of MA Silver 100s with an SVS 3000 Micro. Can't wait to put it all together in the new house!
@@mackie1001You will Love your MA’s. I have owned so many various gold’s over the years. Gold’s are more $ because they are made in England and cabinet finish. I would get silver’s without hesitation. Enjoy, you have the best!
@@ramondelgado6778I chose the Marantz Stereo 70s for the same reason, it is used in my small study as a 2 channel receiver and it sounds so good with my Wharfdale Diamond 225.
Thanks for another fun and fact filled video ! I have a soft spot for Marantz from back in the 70s when I had a 2365. I believe and I loved it! I haven’t had a Marantz in years and several years ago’s got back into the home theater as I decided on a Marantz 5.2 ,integrated now just 2channel amp , and while waiting for a new unison Unicor 90 I put this Marantz PM5005 @ 40 watts rms x2 integrated was in my system. And oh my ! It’s a solid sound of Marantz so even a smaller cheaper is amplifier It still sounds good no matter what is situation in my humble opinion
I am not sure someone who is using a powered speaker user, as being the same kind of person who would use a sound bar. Powered speakers are generally still in the realm of hifi, whilst, most regular people will think about sound bars being the greatest thing for their movie/TV/gaming experience. So in many ways, I think that powered speakers are the next step up, before going down the rabbit hole of buying an the whole separate speakers/integrated amp, etc, etc.
I’ve been experimenting with a Kef LS60, paired with a Marantz Cinema 70 (for surrounds while watching movies or gaming). They work really well together.
Watched the whole thing before commenting ;) I use and enjoy factor as well, congrats on the sponsorship Powered speakers have their merits, i really like my dynaudio LYDs for example, the power amp is perfectly matched and they sound incredible. They have their place, like on a computer desk. The shortcomings are always in connectivity, and cable management. For example I cant connect a hdmi source to my powered speakers, and you cant really put an XLR cable or C13 style power cable through most speaker stands. When you take the connectivity issues and then consider that many powered speakers still need some sort of preamp for volume control, something like the cambridge axr100, the 6000a or this marantz start to make alot more sense, because you get more choices in speakers, its easier to upgrade in time, and you're taking up the same footprint compared to powered + Pre. Im using a Rotel A11 with a pair of q acoustics bookshelves and a fluance turntable as a small listening area in my house where the wife and i enjoy some vinyl, this is where something like the stereo 70 shines, its aesthetically pleasing, easy to use, has a remote control, etc. Im interested in trying an audiolab, the AXR100 and this new marantz in the future.
Another thing that I don’t like about active speakers are the umbilical cord cable vomit that comes out the back of active speakers. Forget soundbars for stereo listening, they just can’t compete with even a budget two channel setup.
I’ve enjoyed my aging Marantz NR1506 and mostly listen to music with it via Apple TV with Apple Music lossless. I run it in a 3.1 config with small Definitive Technology ProMonitor 1000’s and a ProSub 800. The stereo 70 seems like a logical upgrade! I would stick with Marantz or possibly switch to Technics. Great review as always!
the biggest issue with STEREO 70s is : it will not work without connecting to the TV at all , you can not connect your speaker to it and start streaming without connecting all system to a TV !!! I send an email to crutchfield and they confirmed that . what a company could design a streaming stereo amp that could not work without connecting it to a TV !!!!!!
Had this been around about three years ago, I may have chosen this over the Cambridge Audio CX81. My setup was a 5.1 theatre place and I gave up HDMI connectivity. This would have allowed me to keep that. Now I use the toslink cable connection. That sometimes is not in sync. Still working on that. I also am not a powered speakers. I think it makes the wires harder to hide and a hot mess. But that’s just me.
I've had the whole home theater thing for years. I've went back to less boxes and going for just stereo. The flexibility in a stereo receiver or a pre amp negates the power speaker option, for me anyway.
Is there any sonic difference between cinema70 and stereo70 in stereo? In Europe Cinema70 costs 680€ and Steeeo costs 1000€. Marantz "marketing" says that there are better components in Stereo unit.
Great review! First I’ve seen on the Stereo 70S. You stated you preferred the sound of the Yamaha 1000A, any thoughts on sound comparison to the 800A? Closer in price to the 70s.
I wish manufacturers would offer 3.1 or 3.2 receivers. Onkyo used to make one model like that but ended the line rather quickly. With a slimmer form factor similar to stereo amps but a better replacement than a sound bar.
Guess you can look at the Cinema 70s and use it as a 3.1 system. I thought about it, but at the end, I mostly use it for music listening, so I went for the better stereo electronics.
Never thought I'd see that much HDMI support on a two channel amp (receiver). I use my two channel system for everything but really only scrutinize when it comes to music so I really have no interest in surround sound so this is right up my ally even though I'm not sure I really 'need' all the HDMI switching this has its a very forward thinking idea. Very cool product from Marantz and I'm kinda surprised by the price.
Your comparison at the end threw me. Cinema 70 vs Stereo 70. I priced them here in Switzerland and Cinema 70s were cheaper at US$739 vs Stereo 70s US$997. I run classic (aka old) B&W805 Matrix (1994) speakers. Help? Go the Cinema 70s or a different amp altogether? Great channel.
the Stereo 70, let alone the Cinema 70, will not power your speakers no where to it's full potential. Those products are more home cinema oriented stuff. In my opinion, you'd be better of with an Audiolab 7000a. Of course, it all depends on your budget. Grüezi us Basel ;)
My speakers are Wharfdale Diamond 225 and I went for the Marantz Stereo 70s for the better 2 channel electronics. If your B&W need more power, perhaps you can look at the newer Marantz M1, its rated at 100 watts vs 75 for the Marantz Stereo 70s. The M1 is getting great reviews.
Do you think the benefits of better sound quality from a good stereo system, outweighs the surround sound benefits of say the Ambeo, HT-A9 or Q990C? Basically, which would you say is more important (at least in your opinion): sound quality or surround sound?
It all depends on what you're going for. Can a stereo system make for a good movie-going one? Yes, but it will never fully surround you nor maybe captivate you the way a surround sound system can when playing back a proper (or good) surround mix. I look at it this way, a good/great home theater setup can also be a good stereo system, whereas a stereo setup can never really be a home theater.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews thanks for answering. In terms of sound quality, how much would you really say I am missing out on, with my Q990B (or similar kind of system)? Do I need to feel like I am not really listening to ‘good’ sound or listening to the music ‘incorrectly’?
Rather than stereo, wish this were a 3.1 (for center) with Audyssey and/or Dirac. Three-channel makes more sense with the HDMI inputs. It’s nice, but the market is flooded with these mid-range stereo integrated amps.
any thoughts on Stereo70 c/a CA Evo 150 (paired with SF Lumina II)? I know, different price category, but I think they both aim at the same market (stereo, streaming oriented, TV connected, one box solutions). Can not decide between marantz 40n - yamaha nr1000 - marantz stereo 70s - CA Evo 150 and it drives me crazy :-)
I have the Marantz Stereo 70s. The only differences I found are no HDAM modules on the Cinema 70s, the rear ports do not appear to be gold plated, and the power. The question remains, do the HDAM modules make the Marantz Stereo 70s sound better? I purchased my Marantz Stereo 70s refurbished for $599. The Cinema 70s is selling for $674 with the current 25% discount. I chose the Marantz Stereo 70s as I intend to use it as a stereo receiver, with no plans to add more speakers.
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The only thing I can say is that all the industry needs to take a very close look at what Marantz is doing. They’re listening, and they also are delivering. Two things most brands fail at one or the other or even both (looking at you Rotel). Bravo Marantz. And I probably would still go with Stereo 70 vs Cinema70, but that’s just me. It feels like a damn good and versatile product. Great video and conversation as usual!
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I’m not sure why this is a powered vs passive tv discussion. I feel like it should be a stereo receiver vs integrated amp discussion.
Confused me too
Yep, 100%
Totally agree!
Yep, nothing to do with active speakers. It is a stereo receiver and should have been reviewed as such
Agree. I have active speakers for the sound quality primarily.
Great review! I have the exact combination of a Marantz 70s and Lumina 2s for my bedroom setup. I have it connected to my Ps5 going into my LG C2. For my sub, I have the Rel tzero connected. All I can say is wow!
This is the quintessential setup for parents who want to enjoy a good movie, play a game, or listen to music in their room after their kids go to bed. In my main room I have a Marantz 7015 with B&Ws and a 15 inch Rythmik sub. You can guess how many times I've been able to use that system since my toddler and infant came into my life. I love it but we can never use it to it's full potential.
Having this Marantz 70s has given me an opportunity to enjoy my music like I once did. The lumina 2s are a perfect pairing and even my wife has now become an audiophile because of how fun it is to listen to music again.
However!! I will say I took a serious pause before purchasing the Marantz 70s since the day before Amazon had the Cinema 70 for $999, a dollar cheaper than the stereo 70. Luckily I waited a day and the price went back to normal the next day making my decision easier. But with both units being the same price, it really gave me pause considering I wanted the cinema room correction. It really is a miss that the stereo 70 doesn't have basic correction.
I'm sure Amazon will discount the cinema 70 again for the holidays so be aware. For me and my use, I don't want the surround so stereo 70 was the right choice.
One last thing, Kristi is correct in that people will compare this to a soundbar. I considered this against the Samsung 900 series and while I appreciate the flexibility of the soundbar, you just can't compare the sound quality of the Marantz. I chose the Marantz for two reasons: hdmi connectivity (I find arc troublesome and didn't want to deal with it if I choose a soundbar) and the ability to choose better sounding speakers.
Thanks again for your recommendations. You guys steered me to the lumina 2s and I'm grateful! Amazing speakers!
I cannot say enough good things about the Stereo 70/Lumina II setup! Glad I'm not alone. Thanks for watching and for sharing your firsthand experience!
Of course we HAVE to totally agree with Kristi.
In all seriousness, I don't feel that the majority of consumers walk into the store knowing the nuanced implications of going either of these routes down the road. They're often subject to trends and salesmanship (aka profit margins).
Each setup will work well if you know what is important to you and choose wisely.
Same reason why some people enjoy their integrateds while others their separates. Each to his/her own in the pursuit of the desired sound.
If you have more than one thing to plug into active speakers, then I'd easily go the marantz way. I also like that they went 2 channel for us that prefer that over multiple speakers (been there and went back to 2 channel).
Also great review, thanks for testing a bit more "odd" products (odd as in a 2ch receiver)! :)
Love the review as always. Two differentiators are that the stereo 70s employs HDAM’s where the cinema 70 does not. Also if having 2 pairs of stereo speakers and
A/B-ing them is important, again the stereo 70s will allow this while the cinema70 will not
Good discussion on the STEREO 70 vs CINEMA 70. I think one of the reasons people would buy a stereo over an multi-channel AVR is a mindset for some that they like the idea of a simpler front speakers without the mess of side or rear speakers. I'm one of those people. My upstairs living room is a 3.0 setup and for a long time I felt using my 5.1.2 AVR for this purpose were wasted channels. Then I remembered I could Bi-Amp and actually noticed a slight improvement coming from my speakers. In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't go stereo only and agree with Andrew you do need to consider whether you want more options or not in your setup when deciding between the STEREO 70 and the CINEMA 70.
Andrew, you need to tell these OEMs to put room correction in 2 channel products, even if it's just Audessey. That's why I would go with the Cinema 70s over the Stereo 70s. Even the most basic room correction will set your sub distance for you, including DSP delay. Also with the Audessey app you can limit the correction to 500 hz if you choose. IMO, room correction is the number 1 reason to go with an AVR over a 2 channel integrated.
The Anthem STR integrated amp has room correction, but it costs $5,000. I own one, and it's great. Sounds wonderful with my Polk L600s.
NAD has it, Lyngdorf has it, but 3X this price!
I know that there are solutions that have it. But if a $1000 surround receiver can have it so should more $1000 2 channel gear.
It's not for me personally. But for $1000, that's one heck of a unit. And I think it would more than satisfy the majority of people. Plus it's a looker too. Good job Marantz. ✌️
I bought mine recertified from Marantz at 25% off, it was $599. Great buy. It arrived in mint, like new condition. Works wonderful. Love it.
After using a Marantz AV receiver Audyssey with room correction I can’t imagine going back to one without it, even in a two channel setup.
The Stereo 70 might have lots of features and benefit from Denon-like interface but without room correction I doubt it’s worth the savings compared to the Cinema 70 or other Marantz “AV” receivers.
Thanks for making sure that the fact that it doesn’t include room correction clear, but I think that it really needs more attention.
I bought the Marantz Stereo 70s and haven’t missed Audyssey. Love I can now pair my Marantz SR8015 and Stereo 70s via HEOS for wireless connection between both devices.
What made the NR1200 amazing is that you get a music stereo amplifier that works with HDMI ARC and has bass and treble controls. Every other brand misses the point. I don't want 10 speakers in my house and I don't want two amps (one for my TV and one for my record player). Not to mention having to go inside a menu to change the bass or treble. I mean how hard is it to put ARC and two knobs on a stereo amp?
Between this marantz and denon 900h which you think is better for a 2.1 channel for music? Thanks
Kristy said what was in my head the entire video, what would be the benefit over the cinema 70. Outside of power. If it was half the price or significantly less in cost, It would make more sense. Originally, I wanted this, because I was going with a 2-channel system in my living room using a NR1200 but because of the way living room is set up, the phantom center doesn’t work well. (Plus, my tower speaker sits in the Christmas tree spot) so I bought a passive soundbar speaker that’s under my tv. With the cinema 70 I can do 3.1 setup, and have everything that the stereo 70 has, put other options should I choose to go another route. I did consider the stereo 70 in my 2-channel room where I have my PS5 and Series X connected to my tv. I mostly listen to music but my McIntosh doesn’t have hdmi arc, but it does have HT bypass so the ST-70 could work there. In the end, bought a node with hdmi arc. The node has arc volume control via coaxial outs and cost less.
As for the cinema 70 disrupting the powered speaker market. I’m not sure the size of the market. I know people with soundbars but no one with powered speakers. However, it’s not I know a lot of people. In any case, I always thought passive soundbars with receivers similar to the St-70 would be the dominant market due to flexibility with connections and central wiring. But I also thought the that Samsung tv’s one connect box would transition to all TV’s. Clearly, I know nothing about market design.
I think Anthem is coming out with a home theater A/C that’s small and thin enough to hide behind a tv or cabinet. It’s only 5.1 but sounds interesting
KEF dropped the price of the LS50W2 to $2K for the holidays, which is a clear win for anyone looking for an excellent-sounding system. Actually, if you're looking at the pair of LS50Meta (passive) for $400 more you can get an amp, streamer, and a DAC. So, I agree with Kristi, the Marantz is for a different customer.
This seems to be a very fun piece of equipment. Still so happy with my 40N, thanks to you!🥰
It's like a baby 40n. The 40n is still the king when you want connectivity AND a more hi-fi or audiophile-grade sound.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews so glad you mentioned the 40N in your review! Since I bought the 40N for listening only in the living room, I am so glad you mentioned the Cinema 70 at the end of your review. I think that is would I would have gravitated to if it were to go into my HT space. It just gives more options! Thanks again for your always thoughtful reviews and especially the conversations with Kristi!!❤️🥰❤️
Hi Andrew. You should do a video on your home. Your audio room looks pretty nice and I would like to see how you decorated the house to get some ideas.
Thanks for the review!
It's coming...
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Does the Stereo70, when streaming a film in 5.1, automatically downmix to two channel when used in a 2.1 setup via the HDMI connection (or does the TV’s digital output have to be switched to 2 channel pcm)?
If a service such as Netflix allows you to switch from surround to 2 channel, I’ve noticed the sound is better than when the TV performs the downmix.
Is the Stereo 70s using the same internals as the Denon DRA-900H? Specs seem the same. Would also be interested in how the Stereo 70s compares with the Bluesound POWERNODE.
If you’re into vinyl, the Stereo 79S makes more sense due to its great phono pre-amp. I’m happy with my choice, I’m never going back to surround sound. Too much hassle. The bonus with the Stereo 70s is dedicated external tone controls.
Seems like a fantastic upgrade to my NR1200 if i decide to upgrade it
I see this Marantz as a product for a long term small apartment dweller where a jack of all trades receiver makes sense. Which is the definition of a niche market. But I think I side with Kristi on the premise. The lifestyle images of a clutter - less powered speaker setup is what helps the powered speaker sell. A traditional receiver form factor even if this Marantz breaks the mold with a gamut of connections does not inspire a more modern, clutter less lifestyle. Marantz would need to bombard the advertising channels with images that say otherwise in order for the Stereo 70s to torpedo the powered speaker market. Your review certainly opens up some eyes though and I greatly appreciate it. Enjoy your Sunday!
Most people aren't mounting their TV in an apartment though, so plugging direct into a TV is more acceptable there.
@@lukemcdopoint well taken
Yeah back to the two-channel stuff! Another pleasant Sunday morning Andrew and Kristi.
What's the difference between this and the NR1200?
great review!!!!!
Walked the DC audio fest Friday......listened to room after room of $$$$$$ systems.........came home......plugged in a vintage Onkyo a 7070 (thanks JUST AUDIO) to a pair of ELAC bookshelf speakers.....proved it doesn't take much create a satisfying system.
the ELAC connex were set up in there room....filled the room quite nicely......they were leading with that set up......going on sale today 399.00 a pair
Caladens were interesting
Updated NR1200 with a stiffer price tag. I could be very happy with this as a preamp. I do wish it had a high pass filter.
This is a fantastic product. Had it for a few months. This is more of a killer to AV receivers than it is to powered speakers. Truly has EVERYTHING the good AV receivers has minus the surround amplification. More and more people are not investing in 5 to 11 speakers. This is the product that is long over do. I bought an outboard amp because my towers needed more power but if you have no interest in surround sound and are going to drive book shelves then stereo 70 is obvious choice. Cinema 70 power too low. It will work with movies at 50 watts but for music not enough unless you have really easy to drive speakers. Great review andrew! I was waiting to hear your opinion on this. Thx!
Glad you enjoyed it and I thank you for sharing your personal experience with the product as well!
Rotel has released the new RAS-5000. A streaming integrated amplifier and HDMI with e-ARC function. I can't wait to see your video guys 🙂
I feel like the Stereo 70s is more or less the new version of the Marantz NR1200. I've watched your review of the NR1200 and you didn't seem too thrilled about it. I wish you had brought it up in this video review to highlight the differences between the two. While I've no doubt the Stereo 70 is probably much better, the NR1200 is currently $399 on closeout everywhere so I picked one up for a modest bedroom setup I'm building with some Klipsch RP600m's. I'm not expecting to be blown away by any means but curious how this would have compared should I have chosen to save my pennies and gone with the Stereo 70. Great review as always guys and props to Christy for getting additional info to compare the Stereo 70s to the Model 40n :)
Thanks for this comment. I came here hoping to see just that comparison so you have saved me 20 minutes. I actually thought he quite liked the NR 1200, in fact I went out and bought one not long after. I am very satisfied, it is in fact a PM6006 pure audio amp with a video board piggybacked on to it and NOT a multimedia receiver amp being pressed into audio service. Therefore it is properly musical and the onboard DAC is excellent although I would say the MM phono pre-amp is not. On paper the Stereo 70 appears to offer no change. Where the 70 is different seems to be in the updated video/HDMI board (now offering 8K etc). The NR 1200 was listed at $690 at the time but often available for $590 which is what I paid. The Stereo 70 at $1000 is therefore not a compelling upgrade.
Edit: Just want to add that although I haven't heard them together I think the RP600m should be an excellent choice. If you are familiar with the term "British sound" I find Klipsch have a very American sound. Its rich and deep but thanks to the horns quite forward and lively. They should liven up the slightly relaxed sounding Marantz.
To me, an owner of a set of Dynaudio active speakers (for my PC), there is a LONG way from a good set of active speakers, to a soundbar or some sad tiny Sonos thingies. I'm with Andrew here. The choice is between active speakers, and a setup using some sort of sound giver, and a set of speakers. Personally i've only considered the active Buchardts, the A500 i think they're called, for a main setup. Otherwise i'm always looking at seperate units, not in the least because of upgradebility, and convenience if something breaks. The one time i thought my Dynaudios were defective i started sweating. Borrowing a set of speakers or some amp, is a lot easier than having to build an entire system because you all in one goes away for repair.
The main reason to buy active speaker for me is the clutter. Secondly the amp-speaker matching which might be a nightmare by buying separates. So i'm with Kristi, the active speaker market doesn't afraid of this product.
Fair enough. Appreciate you watching!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews keep up the good work!
Great vid as always - I tend to side with Kristy on this…. Powered speakers folks are looking for more simplicity and don’t want the traditional ‘box’
Example is my own dad. He’s a hifi guy from way back and he recently went with a pair of Sonos 5s to replace some 30 yr old KLFs that finally had seen their day.
Cleaned up his whole experience and while he still has over 3k LPs & 2k CDs, he streams 85% of the time.
Andrew and Kristi, thanks for being part of my daily digital lifestyle! This was a fun review. I used to be big on home theater, but my tastes have changed to being more of a two channel guy. And, I'm not sure I'm ready for soundbars, etc. So I am leaning towards Andrew's theory. Sorry Kristi 😄. However, I feel that Andrew's theory rest solely on how Marantz positions and messages this product in the market - and - what other manufacturers might do to follow them. Sorry for the caveat Andrew 😅.
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At last it is a question of getting it and how it fits with your other Stereo Setup. The Marantz is not my Amp ,cause i prefer Aluminium at the Front. My Dealer had a Denon dra900h .....the brother of the 70s. What should i say......it is my best Deal for Years. Even my Speakers, Vintage Canton Karat 60 and Monitor Audio 200 apear more round and smooth in Sound. And.. the dra900h is stronger, 100Watt at 8 Ohm per Chanel !
Happy to see Marantz building full sized components still. Nice piece. Fair price on this.
Maybe it was late when I was watching this review, but I realised half way through that Cinema 70 and Stereo 70 are two different products 😅
Anyhow, I'm with Kristi on this one, don't see it as direct competition to powered speakers 🤷
Thank you for this review I got my Marantz 4 days ago and love it. It is such a nice-sounding warm amp and works well with my monitor audio bronze speakers. I am hearing things in my music that I haven't heard before. The only downside is that Heos app. This is why I just stick to my Eversolo DMP-A6 but everything else was very easy to set up.
Andrew and Kristy thank you so much for your reviews. I have an old Denon 3802 RSV. I love how this thing sounds with all its power. I moved it out of my Media / Music room because it has no modern video media inputs. I am considering upgrading to the Cinema 70s because of your review. My late 1980s JBL towers which I love have a sensitivity of 91 at 6 ohms 1/5/8/12 inch. After your review, I want to use the Denon 3802 as an amp (Pre IN) to drive my JBL L7 front with its 100-watt per channel on all 7 amps. I love the sound of the JBL L7s, but they tend to get a little bright. I do drive these speakers at 65-75 DB at times on an inexpensive Costco Yamaha RSV at the moment. I would move the Yamaha to my computer room with the Bose 601 Series III speakers. My musical taste is all over the place, (Big Band, Pop, Soft Rock, Jazz Fusion, R&B, and some classical). I also use Schitts DAC and a headphone amp with HiFiMan headphones. Do you think this would be a good setup (Denon 3802 and Cenima 70S together).
Marantz has made excellent equipment going back to the Model 60, and later the 2270 stereo. The only surround receiver I've ever owned is the giant Marantz with 90 watts x 7 output. It's old, but my movies sound wonderful. I did move my center to an Emotiva 150 watts/channel for my giant front speakers. Sadly the future brought about a Cambridge receiver for my corner system. My main system has an Emotiva pre and Emotiva 125 watt amp. Marantz is too expensive for me now, but I never question the quality.
Awesome. Love marantz. Late to the party. Had to get the trout seasoned and the grill started! Happy Sunday!!!
Better late than never, plus seasoning the trout is likely more important.
Yeah mom was comin over. Had to be perfect
1000 is a bit much. Id spend the extra 300$ and get an onkyo rz50. Then you get dirac live as well. Dirac license itself is $300 so technically rz50 and this marantz is the same price.
Onkyo you get 7.X.4 capability, over 100 watts of power, excellent stereo sound. Even if you only use 2 speakers , i think onkyo is still better
Earlier this year I bought the KEF R3 initially for a stereo system connected to my TV, so I was looking into a stereo receiver with HDMI inputs, for which there are limited options out there. I saw some older models from Denon (DRA-800H) and Marantz (NR1200) and was not convinced until this new Marantz line came out. I jumped into the Cinema 70s because of the slim form factor and the advantage of having pre outs in case I needed more power. But then there was a discount on the Cinema 60, for just around 100 Eur more than the 70s.
And that was it, I started my system with the R3 and the Cinema 60. Few weeks later I felt I was lacking on the movie/TV dialogues, no matter how great the "phantom" center produced by the R3 is and no matter how enhanced I was setting the dialogue option on the Marantz. Then I decided to get one of the last R2C center units while they were on sale.
Then, my point is that what I initially considered turned out to be away from what I ended up getting. Happily I decided to get the Cinema 60 instead, so I have more flexibility. This Stereo 70s is a nice option with probably no competitors out there, but, be mindful of your future needs.
Did you enjoy the C70? In Europe they’re lowered a lot in price. Initially $1,000, now $750.
@@musiclassica I did not test the Cinema 70, went directly to the 60. And I am enjoying it.
I am having some difficulties with the HDMi settings though. I don't usually turn on the Marantz, so I want it to be manually turned on by myself... It is connected to my Oppo BluRay player, a Google Chromecast and the Cable TV Box, all signaling to my LG Oled TV.
The Chromecast, when turned on it also turns on the Marantz which I don't want. I had some settings working before but recently I changed things and messed with it. Now I don't know the proper settings combination.
In the near future I will probably buy a small Sub, something like the SVS 3000 Micro, but first I want to do some room treatment. I want to put some vertical wood panels on the wall just like those on Andrew's room.
Other than that, happy with the 60.
Ive said it before. When my marantz home theater preamp died a month before the warranty ended, they not only sent me a new unit, but it was the newer model. (Which i couldnt really afford nowadays).
That's customer service!
Thanks! "Back in the day" I believe technically a "receiver" had a tuner built in vs an integrated amp but I assume today having built in streaming qualifies, especially with the ability to stream radio from all over the world. I'm totally with you on the added flexibility of the receiver/speaker combo vs wireless speaker systems, especially when that "wireless" still involves running power cables to each speaker. Keep the 2-channel stuff coming LOL!
Thank you for supporting the channel.
It does also have a tuner built in.
It has an FM and AM tuner.
The amplifier section of this is nothing like the PM6007, PM8006, PM40n, PM7000n, it is weaker. Just take a look inside, see the difference. The stamped heat sinks are a great clue.
Could you tell me more I’m cross shopping this or the pm7000n are you saying the 7000 is the far better choice?
So I can say after buying our home and then realizing I was going to be compromised when it came to the space for our bedroom. This is probably what I'm going with to run a great stereo/home theater system. Having 8k upscaling and a good power output I'm excited to build my system around this unit.
Gonna make a second cup of coffee and enjoy another Sunday of watching one of your reviews ☕️
YAY! Thanks!
No room correction?
Another missed opportunity, since most signals that it amplifies (if not all) all already in the digital domain.
Still stuck in the last century, except for the HDMI input. 😉
PUrchased this tonight from Amazon. Thanks for the review. It gets delivered on Saturday.
Hope you enjoy it!
Andrew, Love your video's! i'm in the market for a Cinema 70 or Stereo 70. I was wondering, what produces the best dound quality for music? Like.. initially i'm more interested in the Stereo, but maybe in the future a 5.1 setup will be there again, and yes, still open for the aditional amp. But what would be best for stereo music now? or would you think there is not much of a difference. Currently have BW707S2 speakers.
In theory, I'm team powered speakers for less clutter and ease of use with HDMI Arc. But... they usually don't compare to separate in terms of warranty. Something like the Marantz Stereo 70s and a pair of Monitor Audio Silver 100 7g is covered by a 5 year warranty. Powered speakers are usually around 2 year warranty, at least for the electronics. I budget for audio gear as a yearly rent and I ruthlessly divide the cost by the warranty length. If it lasts more than the warranty, it's bonus! It's pessimistic, but I can actually afford costlier systems that way when warranty is good!
I feel most if not all receiver manufacturers are either working on or missing the boat on making mid-level surround prepros for the influx of active speakers that's been coming out the last five years. Sure they all have high-end processors and mid-level AVRs today have pre-outs, but then you have several amplifiers sitting idle and basically waste.
On the other end of the spectrum we have systems like System Audios Silverback surround hub and the like that are also very upscale and to truly wireless.
A 9.2 processor for less than $2k that allows a customer to use active, bi-amped and internally DSP'ed speakers (which for me are THE key selling points for active speakers today) would be a way to stay relevant in a market which IS shifting more towards active speakers
Awesome review! I'm a two channel guy, so this unit is on my list as i don't have hard to drive soeakers (wharfedale diamond 11.2). Is this better than the previous model NR1200 which is going for $450 ish right now with same power rating?
In terms of the demographic buying something like this product; I think that this product would be welcomed by customers looking for a traditional stereo setup with two speakers and possibly with one sub, that is used to rigging up a USB DAC to their phones as an analog input to their current preamp/amp setup, which is also used in tandem with their CD player and possibly phono. Consolidating this into one unit as opposed to buying a streamer or even those with a streamer as a separate component from their preamp/amp set-up would benefit from consolidating components into one centralized unit that can do it all (in terms of what I just describe anyhow) minus MQA rendering. Of course this is strictly that demographic that is only looking for two channel stereo audio playback. Being that there are eight HDMI connections and having an Arc capable HDMI, this further adds to that demographic to those looking to have a centralized device with their living room setup with their TV in mind. I do not see this demographic already not having a couple speakers in mind already and an existing setup with multiple components working together already. Possibly someone looking into getting into this hobby that is being diligent in looking at all the options and coming to the conclusion in a similar fashion with consolidated components in terms of functionality and value.
I'm sure there are plenty of demographics out there for this product but I am just thinking about the ones that would be marketed toward this product. I like the fact that Marantz's engineers have stayed true to that warm sound they are known for without compromising their quality of sound. No it's not a valve amp but I really wish that they would make a comeback in a way where the supply demand worked out to a much greater value where it's potential really lies when it comes to tube amplifiers but, we'll probably never get there unfortunately. Going off on a tangent here so I'll stop. I think I may buy this product myself and I really hope that the 75 watt rating at 8 ohms is conservative rather than liberal like a lot of manufacturers do with their marketing these days.
I was in the market for a Bluesound Powernode when I saw that marantz was going to offer this to the market for the same price. The benefit to me would be the extra connectivity.
In your opinion, would you still go with the Stereo 70 with a sub woofer or the powernode with a sub woofer?
Still looking to upgrade my preamp for the upstairs stereo. I love exploring options. What i have works fine and sounds fine. Cant wait to figure this out
Bought the Marantz NR1609 back then for around $500, the pre-out as main selling point for an easy/cheap stereo/surround setup, have only surround speakers and subwoofer connected to it, in my small room very nice surround effects, was really pleasantly surprised with Netflix in Dolby Digital+, all series/movies are so much more involving. Would probably buy this one, once i upgrade my television for 120Hz version.
The Stereo 70s is a Cinema 70 that has studied less :) and I perfectly agree with Andrew: while Cinema 70 is a "soundbar killer", this Stereo 70s is a clever solution for those who cannot logistically assemble an MCH system but It has many HDMI sources and wants the flexibility of an integrated, elegant product that makes its duty. The "weak" points for me are the EOS system (horrible if compared with BlueOS for example) and the lack of DIRAC LIVE, which would have immediately brought it in the Olympus of the electronics of this type (IMHO). Congratulations on the review and a dear greeting to both.
Do you think B&W 603s would be okay with the cinema or stereo?
If i was on a budget i'd look at the Marantz NR1510 at $400 less. That said, if not on a budget and focusing on 2 channel performance, love the Luxman L-550AXII with meters. 😉
Great review! Bought this receiver with Foundation F2. HDMI connectivity is what I needed with stereo setup. Sounds great!
Hi, would you say the Cinema 70s on its own is enough to power the Dali Opticon 2 MK2 as part of a 5.1 setup (rest of the speakers are AudioPro Soniq, so no problem there)?
Andrew, you reviewed the NR1200 a few years ago. How would you compare it to the Stereo 70s?
I'm thinking of combining Marantz Stereo 70s with Q Acoustics 3050i. What do you think?
I have not tried that pairing, but I think you'll be okay.
At the time, I found Marantz slimline AVRs ran hot - not a good thing, which is why I bought a Yamaha RX 601 a few year ago. Now my RX601 is a few years old and I'm looking at what's available. Has Marantz solve the heat issue? Some of us buy slimline because of where they will be housed.
I just got this unit when I couldn’t get the 1200NR. It sounds very good. I only play vinyl and HEOS through it. It’s connected to 2 x 10” Klipsch subs and two Klipsch Ref II tower speakers. I also connected a cheap 13” TV so I could see album art when streaming and for easier setup. I do find I have to turn the volume up higher (around 65) compared to my 150W Sony to get the same volume levels. But, the sound quality is so much better I don’t mind. Maybe I’ll look at that Emotiva amp. Cheers
I still definitely prefer a separate amp and passives. You can then upgrade either separately, obviously, and it should mean the speakers themselves can cost less with the same quality. That said, this unit is not for me - I already got the Cinema 70s which is much more like it for my hybrid home theater / music system. I might wind up with an external power amp for the front three. Honestly, I think it's time for some backlash against the powered speaker and soundbar movement.
Great review and thank you so much for giving true impression on new marantz products!
I'm on the fence between stereo 70 and cinema 70. All the features difference is completely clear. I'm still missing your thoughts how do they differ sonically in 2.0/2.1 setup, especially taking into account marantz claims using Hyper Dynamic Amplifier Modules in Stereo 70.
A powered speaker has internal DAC to correct its frequency response flaws. A Cinema 70 has Audissey and dynamic eq that is useful to watch movies at low volumes and still have bass. It has built in bass management too. For me, Stereo 70 is a pointless product. Thanks for reviewing it.
Thanks for watching!
Why in the world didn't Marantz make the silver version of this available in North America...?
Having owned a soundbar in the past as my gear was in a seperate ‘Hifi’ room, which I completely got rid of because I found I barely listened to my music in there, after moving it all to my living room the soundbar went, never to be replaced again, no matter the soundbar I don’t think you can create better than playing through speakers, do I think this will kill powered speakers? No because like Kristi stated, they are for a different audience that aren’t as ‘audiophile’ I guess, and just want an easy solutions there and then. Looks like a great product, but unfortunately I would never go past 2.1 in my tv so that’s why I upgraded to the Yamaha, as it was feature packed for my needs!
I don't think products like the stereo 70 will overtake wireless speakers. So Kristi is correct.
I think you left one important feature out of the cinema 70 in your comparison. The cinema 70 has room correction, that could make a bigger difference in the sound quality especially when using a sub.
I didn’t leave the Cinema 70 out. You have to watch the whole video 😉
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I did watch the video. I said you left out room correction as a feature on the cinema 70 when doing your comparison. I think that could be an important feature for some.
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I saw that, I know he mentioned no room correction. Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was referring to when Kristi asked about the Stereo 70 vs Cinema 70 and why one might consider one over the other. I think room correction is one possible reason for choosing the Cinema 70 over this one. That comparison starts at about 18:30.
Looks to be the ideal av receiver to replace my soundbar, I was set on getting the marantz nr1200 but this new receiver from them defo looks to be the one I’m gonna go for.
The receiver will be powering a pair of Klipsch RP500m ii’s and I may also get a subwoofer further down the line.
Is there much difference between the nr1200 and the Stereo 70 when it comes to sound quality.
I somewhat doubt that makers of those aforementioned "smart" speakers are shaking in their boots over the Stereo 70's appearance (most all those companies make conventional loudspeakers too, yes?), but what gratifies me about the existence of this receiver is that it's an additional option for folks like me with a music-first attitude when putting together an audio system, even if there *might* be a flat-screen of some sort hanging somewhere above it. I have an aging-but-robust NAD-based setup in my main system, with a 52" TV on the wall above it (my wife watches far more on that screen than I do), but if the need arose to replace stuff, I think this Marantz would top my shortlist.
Your theory is relavant, but one has more options and diversity with components more for stationary application. The aktiv market one way PA Studio speakers, Genelec, Adam, Kanto etc.. or HiFi , Kef , Elac, Klipsch etc.. are great for flexibilty , moving, smaller spaces quicker setup less equipment to carry around less decision making. You here them ,you like them your good. Instead of all sorts of Bluetooth solutions its a step up into stero phonic listening
The Cinema 70s is £200 cheaper than the Stereo 70 in the UK but I was still considering the Stereo. I think you just helped my make my mind up given what you said at the end. Thanks for your insight.
Two channel guy mostly and concerned more about sound quality in two channels, for sure the Stereo 70. Also a two channel home theater with a sub is AWESOME!!!!
@@ramondelgado6778 I might give it a try once the price comes down a little. The system will be a pair of MA Silver 100s with an SVS 3000 Micro. Can't wait to put it all together in the new house!
@@mackie1001You will Love your MA’s. I have owned so many various gold’s over the years. Gold’s are more $ because they are made in England and cabinet finish. I would get silver’s without hesitation. Enjoy, you have the best!
@@ramondelgado6778I chose the Marantz Stereo 70s for the same reason, it is used in my small study as a 2 channel receiver and it sounds so good with my Wharfdale Diamond 225.
Thanks for another fun and fact filled video ! I have a soft spot for Marantz from back in the 70s when I had a 2365. I believe and I loved it! I haven’t had a Marantz in years and several years ago’s got back into the home theater as I decided on a Marantz 5.2 ,integrated now just 2channel amp , and while waiting for a new unison Unicor 90 I put this Marantz PM5005 @ 40 watts rms x2 integrated was in my system. And oh my ! It’s a solid sound of Marantz so even a smaller cheaper is amplifier It still sounds good no matter what is situation in my humble opinion
I am not sure someone who is using a powered speaker user, as being the same kind of person who would use a sound bar. Powered speakers are generally still in the realm of hifi, whilst, most regular people will think about sound bars being the greatest thing for their movie/TV/gaming experience.
So in many ways, I think that powered speakers are the next step up, before going down the rabbit hole of buying an the whole separate speakers/integrated amp, etc, etc.
I’ve been experimenting with a Kef LS60, paired with a Marantz Cinema 70 (for surrounds while watching movies or gaming). They work really well together.
Always fun every Sunday. Thanks.
Glad you enjoy it!
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Powered speakers have their merits, i really like my dynaudio LYDs for example, the power amp is perfectly matched and they sound incredible.
They have their place, like on a computer desk. The shortcomings are always in connectivity, and cable management. For example I cant connect a hdmi source to my powered speakers, and you cant really put an XLR cable or C13 style power cable through most speaker stands. When you take the connectivity issues and then consider that many powered speakers still need some sort of preamp for volume control, something like the cambridge axr100, the 6000a or this marantz start to make alot more sense, because you get more choices in speakers, its easier to upgrade in time, and you're taking up the same footprint compared to powered + Pre.
Im using a Rotel A11 with a pair of q acoustics bookshelves and a fluance turntable as a small listening area in my house where the wife and i enjoy some vinyl, this is where something like the stereo 70 shines, its aesthetically pleasing, easy to use, has a remote control, etc. Im interested in trying an audiolab, the AXR100 and this new marantz in the future.
What makes the Stereo 70 sound better than the NR1200? The HDAM modules? Just curious. Thanks.
Not sure as I no longer have an NR1200 in house to compare the 70 to, sorry.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Thank you for replying. Enjoy your Sunday!
No idea how they compare sound-wise, but by buying the Stereo 70s you get 8K capabilities and I think additional music streaming service options.
Another thing that I don’t like about active speakers are the umbilical cord cable vomit that comes out the back of active speakers. Forget soundbars for stereo listening, they just can’t compete with even a budget two channel setup.
I’ve enjoyed my aging Marantz NR1506 and mostly listen to music with it via Apple TV with Apple Music lossless. I run it in a 3.1 config with small Definitive Technology ProMonitor 1000’s and a ProSub 800. The stereo 70 seems like a logical upgrade! I would stick with Marantz or possibly switch to Technics. Great review as always!
Glad your older Marantz is serving you well! Thanks for watching!
the biggest issue with STEREO 70s is : it will not work without connecting to the TV at all , you can not connect your speaker to it and start streaming without connecting all system to a TV !!! I send an email to crutchfield and they confirmed that . what a company could design a streaming stereo amp that could not work without connecting it to a TV !!!!!!
Bluetooth is great for non-wired listening, but a wired connection will at this point deliver more punch and detail.
Had this been around about three years ago, I may have chosen this over the Cambridge Audio CX81. My setup was a 5.1 theatre place and I gave up HDMI connectivity. This would have allowed me to keep that. Now I use the toslink cable connection. That sometimes is not in sync. Still working on that.
I also am not a powered speakers. I think it makes the wires harder to hide and a hot mess. But that’s just me.
I have a pair of Dynaudio Evoke 20's would they be a good match with the Marantz and have enough power?
I've had the whole home theater thing for years. I've went back to less boxes and going for just stereo. The flexibility in a stereo receiver or a pre amp negates the power speaker option, for me anyway.
Is there any sonic difference between cinema70 and stereo70 in stereo? In Europe Cinema70 costs 680€ and Steeeo costs 1000€. Marantz "marketing" says that there are better components in Stereo unit.
18:33 WHAT'S THE SMARTER BUY? STEREO 70 vs CINEMA 70
Great review! First I’ve seen on the Stereo 70S. You stated you preferred the sound of the Yamaha 1000A, any thoughts on sound comparison to the 800A? Closer in price to the 70s.
I wish manufacturers would offer 3.1 or 3.2 receivers. Onkyo used to make one model like that but ended the line rather quickly. With a slimmer form factor similar to stereo amps but a better replacement than a sound bar.
Guess you can look at the Cinema 70s and use it as a 3.1 system. I thought about it, but at the end, I mostly use it for music listening, so I went for the better stereo electronics.
Never thought I'd see that much HDMI support on a two channel amp (receiver). I use my two channel system for everything but really only scrutinize when it comes to music so I really have no interest in surround sound so this is right up my ally even though I'm not sure I really 'need' all the HDMI switching this has its a very forward thinking idea. Very cool product from Marantz and I'm kinda surprised by the price.
Your comparison at the end threw me. Cinema 70 vs Stereo 70. I priced them here in Switzerland and Cinema 70s were cheaper at US$739 vs Stereo 70s US$997. I run classic (aka old) B&W805 Matrix (1994) speakers. Help? Go the Cinema 70s or a different amp altogether? Great channel.
the Stereo 70, let alone the Cinema 70, will not power your speakers no where to it's full potential. Those products are more home cinema oriented stuff. In my opinion, you'd be better of with an Audiolab 7000a. Of course, it all depends on your budget. Grüezi us Basel ;)
My speakers are Wharfdale Diamond 225 and I went for the Marantz Stereo 70s for the better 2 channel electronics.
If your B&W need more power, perhaps you can look at the newer Marantz M1, its rated at 100 watts vs 75 for the Marantz Stereo 70s.
The M1 is getting great reviews.
Do you think the benefits of better sound quality from a good stereo system, outweighs the surround sound benefits of say the Ambeo, HT-A9 or Q990C? Basically, which would you say is more important (at least in your opinion): sound quality or surround sound?
It all depends on what you're going for. Can a stereo system make for a good movie-going one? Yes, but it will never fully surround you nor maybe captivate you the way a surround sound system can when playing back a proper (or good) surround mix. I look at it this way, a good/great home theater setup can also be a good stereo system, whereas a stereo setup can never really be a home theater.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews thanks for answering. In terms of sound quality, how much would you really say I am missing out on, with my Q990B (or similar kind of system)?
Do I need to feel like I am not really listening to ‘good’ sound or listening to the music ‘incorrectly’?
Rather than stereo, wish this were a 3.1 (for center) with Audyssey and/or Dirac. Three-channel makes more sense with the HDMI inputs. It’s nice, but the market is flooded with these mid-range stereo integrated amps.
You sound like a candidate for the Cinema 70s then. Thanks for watching!
It's now measured on ASR. Very impressive.
Hi Andrew, i have a dude. For movies on stereo set up, what is better cinema 70 or stereo 70 ?.
I don´t use more that stereo config. Thanks.
any thoughts on Stereo70 c/a CA Evo 150 (paired with SF Lumina II)? I know, different price category, but I think they both aim at the same market (stereo, streaming oriented, TV connected, one box solutions). Can not decide between marantz 40n - yamaha nr1000 - marantz stereo 70s - CA Evo 150 and it drives me crazy :-)
Great video! Does anybody know if there is a sound difference between the stereo and cinema version of this amplifier apart from the power rating?
I have the Marantz Stereo 70s. The only differences I found are no HDAM modules on the Cinema 70s, the rear ports do not appear to be gold plated, and the power.
The question remains, do the HDAM modules make the Marantz Stereo 70s sound better?
I purchased my Marantz Stereo 70s refurbished for $599. The Cinema 70s is selling for $674 with the current 25% discount.
I chose the Marantz Stereo 70s as I intend to use it as a stereo receiver, with no plans to add more speakers.