cecesugar - I think this was an approach to treat patients admitting to bad behaviors that are difficult for the therapist... to apply this to society or politics is extremely dangerous. Jung was alive during the time of fascists and dictatorship.
Derrick Barrows Ah but you must accept something is broken before taking reasonable action to fix it. Acceptance is simply acknowledging things for how they are - without passing judgement. Though, it does not take place of contentment. It can only take place guilt. Which is, at any rate, an illusion. A Neurotic symptom of the psyche. And so, if guilt, then, is the driving force to improve oneself they find them self always coming up short. For example, an individual who does not accept the way they look may act out in terms of a surgical procedure. And one can keep making changes, but so long as they do it out of non-acceptance they are merely treading the water of their own guilt.
I found this so true in my own life. In meditation I tried to remove all filthiness from my being, but all that came from it was an increase in the thoughts and negative emotions I was trying to purge. Once I accepted all the good and bad in my consciousness I began to feel myself free of this negativity. We cannot uneat the fruit, but we can bring balance of the two energies within ourselves.
@Bullyhunterxhunter It seems the challenge is, to accept myself, forgive myself, seeing myself as another one to accept and forgive. To honestly, Look in the mirror, and forgive. I can't undo the past. Two of my favorite authorities in their fields, Jung & Watts. "...Dumb." ? Impossible! I may have thought, however, recognizing my own synchronistic inclination, finally I sense a spark of hope for this raskel or worse, "that I was." Be encouraged Bullyhunterxhunter !!!
there is solace in the idea that our thoughts are not our own, but given to us to choose or deny. We shame ourselves, thinking that we are bad because of the thoughts we have, but the truth is (may be) that those thoughts are not conjured consciously, but unconsciously by uncontrollable firing of synapses and hormones. I mean, the best we can do is physically exercise and make conscious decisions to do right by ourselves and others so that the condition of our physical brain is optimal (healthy and able to reduce fear and stress), but beyond that, we are only managers of the thoughts that arise. “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so” William Shakespeare’s tragedy, Hamlet. You are neither good nor bad, except that you think you are one or the other....and if you do choose one or the other, you're either arrogant (prideful) or a peasant; undeserving of love (shameful)
Jordan.P talked about this in regard to parents. I think he said that parents who claim that they could not possibly hurt or dislike their child are the more dangerous ones because they are denying that they have a shadow and possibly trying to supress certain behaviours and feelings that will instead "come out" unconsciously. Whereas someone who is aware of their shadow and has incoperated it have control over it. Because of this, the child won't trigger them into passive agressiveness or even rage that would make them unconsciously harm the child psychologically and possibly physically.
So basically acknowledge and accept the monsters within and be kind to them, so that there doesn't need to be any internal fighting. Accept your dark side but be good.
Priyanka W I would say try to work with your shadow and figure out what you want to transmute what you want to retain. Ordo ab chaos, order still loves chaos and out of chaos comes more order but order in order to have chaotic effects is just as bad as pure chaos I.e. mobs/groups/ideologies, discerning band and good or right and wrong are still crucial for some things although judgement in the light of unconditional love is more difficult because unconditional love allows us as man conditions as we want so hoe do we reconcile this with what we have hithertil now considered to be ethics. In the sense of the light and dark they should be treated as forces that can be discerned in the one and expressed...this leaves us with many unanswered questions left over from hermetic alchemy such as is chaos always a bad thing? Is it the same as disorder? Is the word a chaotic thing or since it is wedded to meaning is that irrelevant? Who can measure the chaos or order in language as it is than how it is recieved understood and its eventual effects? Is order always a good thing? How can we measure order in terms of what has been termed a plutonian logos? does it matter in terms of good or the trust people place in the word of god no matter how unpredictable it can be, should it be our task to tame the tongue if people have no idea who they are? Thoughts?
I think that's exactly what Watts and Jung are saying...though Jung would add that "being kind to them" will involve a long, arduous process of inner alchemical transmutation.
“Unfortunately there can be no doubt that man is, on the whole, less good than he imagines himself or wants to be. Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individual’s conscious life, the blacker and denser it is. At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions.” (Carl Jung)
“If we fail to make the Unconscious Conscious it will continue to dominate us & we will continue to call it fate” Brilliant quote from Jung. Not in this piece but elsewhere. I continue to use it in my work with addiction; particularly apposite in this field.
Carl Jung is more than just a psychologist, he is a prophet of our age. Once you accept yourself for who you are you become a happier person and other people will want to be your friend. Well that happened to me. Cheers
I doubt Jung would ever want anyone to call him a prophet, that would defeat his purpose (Watts talks about this). I'm glad you had a break through and that you found yourself.
Hi Tiger I guess you have a point. I wouldn't like a religion to grow out of this. What I like about Jung is it's not judgemental, there are no demons only false personalities that we create, Therefore we have to take responsibility fir that.
Jung, Watts, Mckenna David-Neel etc. all want us to ourselves. This means making our own decisions that is not regulated by worry, ego, fear, insecurities, relationships, toxic lifestyles, so on and so forth. If you start to act like one of them or idolize them it takes away from their very purpose. They all write and discuss this very point. I definitely share these with friends and family and we have our own discussions. The ego is a filter, your personality is a filter. It's influenced by everything you experience in your life and is also a biological consciousness of who you really are. It's a struggle between your surroundings and the real you. Once you confront the real you and destroy your ego and are reborn then you finally realize this filter (or whatever it manifests itself as. I've heard it been called a wax a binding of some sort).
Well said Tiger but I am not sure we could destroy the ego. As you say it's a defence mechanism. I think of the ego as a balloon, the more hot air (false persona) it consumes the more fragile it becomes. Until someone comes along with a PIN !
Paul Drake You can and many have destroyed their egos right in front of their face. I believe you are mistaking the cortex with the ego. Two different things here.
WOW what a great quote! 3:30 - 3:51 "....Not as something to be condemned and wailed over but as something to be recognised as contributive to ones greatness and to ones positive aspects, in the same way that MANURE IS CONTRIBUTIVE TO THE PERFUME OF THE ROSE. Jung saw this and Jung accepted this... "
sjmark1111 Yeah, that's fantastic. I've come to a similar place in my life recently where I've learnt to be grateful for the negative aspects of my life because they've pushed me to find purpose and meaning that otherwise would've been lost to me.
Jason Rougeau Well I would have to say my oppion and maybe mine alone. Is that an equal amount of people are also figuring out that choice does have an effect. Into ones well being, Then one would argue about depression the neurological disorder would have a factor as well. To think that a person can simply change the way of being just by the process of thought. There are a lot of factors that play a place here. Where one lives so invorment, Money is a big factor for some and having or the non having of friends and or family. So you live in a nice neighborhood and make good money with a lot of friends then your automatically more happy in life. That as well is not always the fact Robin Williams proves this to be false. As for me I don't believe in a bunch of medication shoveling down your throat would be the only answere. There are so many different things that play into depression. A good way of thinking sometimes couldn't hurt to try and I have methods that have worked for some and then there are those that need to hear it consistently in order to have it sink in. Reassurance for some is all they need.
So, it is the contrast then which makes the smell of the rose significant as it is compared against manure or bad smells. For there to be light, there must be dark.
Is this to observe your own dark feelings like resentment, for example, go into it and understand it, see what it tells you? Maybe you need to speak out, stand up for yourself and not let people walk over you, therefore those dark feelings is a benefit. I think I heard something similar from J.P. In what other ways do we incorporate our shadow self?
MetrazolElectricity Actually,he might have.He certainly would have seen through the phooneyness of Obama and the evil nature of Hillary Clinton. I think Trump was a godsend if only to preserve the world from lady macbeth.Whether he end up being a good president or a failure,he will have serve a purpose to bring many issues to the forefront.I have nothing but contempt for Trump protestors.Bill Clinton inflicted sanctions on Iraq that killed half a million children,and where were the protestors.There were hardly any protestors when Bush invaded and destroyed Iraq.Not a word when hillary the bitch destroyed Libya.Trump protestors are pieces of sh...t
Jung is a fascinating person by any standards and in earlier times he would undoubtedly have been seen as a great prophet. For a brilliant man of science to embrace his mystical experiences and explore and learn from them sets him apart from almost every other important intellectual. Yet many 'admirers' of Jung are inclined to ignore this aspect of his personality when it's obvious that doing so makes it impossible to form anything approaching a reasonable understanding of the man. His great gift was to be able to explore his inner self, an ability he thought we all posses to some degree but usually leave it unexplored and for most of us that might well be for the best. His theory of the collective unconscious, if correct has profound implications for all of us and it would go a long way to explaining such thing as telepathy, precognitive dreams and many other phenomena. A man of outstanding intellect and great humanity.
Jung's 'The Red Book' helped me to see and understand the journey we all must undertake to find the way to an holistic and unflinching view of ourselves. William Blake also pointed the way for me as well...there are so few who make the journey and come out again with the understanding and wherewithal to record their journeys so the rest of us have a road map that can indicate the obstacles and bread crumb trail that allows us to find our back to society.
I wish people would watch this as well as other documentaries about this man, who was so human while being such a genius, an all encompassing soul, who had dared to submerge into his own darkness and came out of it, at an advanced age, to be enriched, matured, wiser than before. He had so much to share, like that one thing that seems to be so difficult for Americans, to look at their own shadow. Most of them decided not to look inside any more at all, except -maybe - when on drugs. - And to project any shadow on the bad other. That''not how peace is being achieved.You only can understand the other after you have gazed into the depths of your own self.
RUth Pulver : Lol your verbiage is a perfect example of being the opposite of what is being praised in Jung. The "Americans" as you like to put it in all of their wretchedness are apparently a mirror image of you.
This is a beautiful talk from Watts on his admiration of Jung. Jung's ability to be human and accept all of his nature, is what allowed him to be such an astounding psychotherapist. As a trainee myself, one fundamental principle I'm learning is the more we accept in ourselves, the more available we can be to allow the client to 'accept the devil in themselves'.
I believe this accepting of the shadow is called in some circles "grace," and someone once said that by it one may be salvaged, which might mean "accepted."
Great man, went way beyond, getting into other cultural ideas of self, and helping to integrate them into western culture. I try to know me, that's been a lot of work, but it works, and the sense of humor helps greatly, to cut through it all. Plus, whatever your belief system many be. Peace and love my fellow travelers.
My parents are shit people. Out and out shit people. They don't care about anyone on earth other than themselves. Should have never had children - both (long divorced) have separately said they just did what everyone else did when they married and started a family. It is painfully unnatural for them to consider the wants and needs of another person. A completely foreign experience. Dad was a senior manager in the corporate world, an authoritarian who wasn't challenged often and certainly didn't have it from his kids; Mum an alcoholic. Not surprisingly, having been brought up in an environment created by the two of them, I myself slowly but surely realised firstly who and what they are, and secondly that I am cast from the same mould. And only after accepting the hate filled eyes with which I view the world, a hatred projected onto everyone and everything, am I beginning to discover some love at times. I'm on the way up.
@@janethockey9070 100% mate! Like Watts said you can only make sense of something (and hopefully transform it) by diving into it - sounds simple but oh so true. You don't get better at maths by avoiding your homework do ya.
@Bullyhunterxhunter Not very helpful when your parents make their problems yours is it! Keep your problems within your boundaries so they don't burden someone else. I gave this feedback to my folks, both weren't interested in hearing it so I threw the middle up to the sky and put both of them outside of my boundary - the best thing ever mentally. My brother wasn't willing to end his relationship with them because "they're family," turned to drugs to deal with the detrimental influence they have on his life and threw his brain away. Is now mentally ill and in and out of psych wards. Be prepared to walk away from ANYONE and ANYTHING if they are a negative influence in your life. Think long and hard about the decision as you have to live with the consequences thereafter, but fuck 'em.
I can very much relate ... parents got divorced because my dad was secretly a terrible person. Anyways, i realized that terrible person also resides within me and its a horrible thing to accept. Nonetheless, my only way forward is reconciling this. "Forgive them or risk becoming them". Truly, I hope the best for you.
The hardest person to forgive is often yourself. I struggle with this all the time. My perceived failures and feelings of inadequacy and lack of progress in my own life is something I struggle with. But this and the writings of the ancient Stoics are pushing me to accept things as they are and to strive for virtue as my standard for happiness.
facing the darkness can be so painful, so hard so much can be buried and then we forget that we have forgotten where we buried that which we thought we could not face.
"... the element of irreducible rascality..." Brilliant phrase. I've thought this so many times but never heard it expressed so succinctly. It's often only noticeable when many people act as one, a political vote, say. I've always explained it to myself in a vague way by relating it to the Trickster who existed in so many myths, Loki, Hermes, Tezcatlipoca and many more.
Going through this right now actually. I've learned that no matter how much you want to help someone from their own ego you can't. If someone wants to find truth they will seek it and find just as I and many others have. Until then there is darkness, boundaries, ego and problems.
I was recently a live studio audience member on a political debate show, and one of the panellist suggested that we all have the potential to murder, given the right circumstances. I felt and heard the audience recoil. They should have listened to this video.
+The Face of The Alphabet That's interesting, I've only had the same experience whilst presenting diametrically opposed points in discussions with small amounts of people. The ability to have a fair & balanced debate must tie in with this idea.
People need their egos intact. If they begin to think they could murder, then perhaps they will murder. That is the fear. But Jung is going beyond that. Of course most of us do not accept our dark sides until it is obvious we cannot pretend it doesn't exist any longer.
Great talk by Alan Watts. One of the points not explicitly made is that one ignores one's own dark side to one's own peril. That sort of bears repeating: one ignores one's own dark side to one's own peril. It's actually not acknowledging your own dark side that leads to so much evil on a person's part (unconscious behavior, "setting up" others for failure or catastrophes, and much worse. It was one of Jung's axioms that developing a healthy sense of humor about one's own dark side, on'es failures, and even one's own occasional selfishness or rascality was not only extremely healthy, it was the way to keep away REAL overbearing evil (in the form of things one apparently "accidently' or carelessly does to others-- or leaves undone [toxic neglect]. Case in point: Many violent fanatics in history, convinced they were doing "God's work or "the best for others" when actually they were causing extreme peril or more, even before getting to the point of outright exterminating other human beings who did not agree with them. This is a nice talk by Watts.
Absolutely brilliant, clear, profound and powerful. We humans reject the dark side instead of accepting it as a natural stage in our conscious evolution. We need to accept the darkness within and then it will dissolve in the light.
It's difficult at the least to pull together the various faces of oneself into a whole being without seeing the disgusting smudges and mixtures the undesirable parts leave. However that is the process of becoming whole: appreciation of the positive and negative parts of the human persona, an inevitable Ascension into individuality or an infinite descent into a singular flaw.
Yet the patient does not feel himself accepted unless the very worst in him is accepted too. We cannot change anything unless we accept it. Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses. And I am the oppressor of the person I condemn, not his friend and fellow sufferer. We must never pass judgement when we desire to help and improve. If the doctor wishes to help a human being, he must be able to accept him as he is, and he can do this in reality only when he has already seen and accepted himself as he is. But what if I should discover that the least amongst them all, the poorest of all the beggars, the most impudent of all offenders, the very fiend himself, that these are within me and that I, myself, stand in need of the arms of my own kindness; I, myself, am the enemy who must be loved, what then?
Hello everybody. In this clip one of the of the most persuasive speakers I've ever heard speak voices the thoughts one of the most important thinkers of our time. Alan Watts reads us Carl Jung's thoughts on scruples, on empathy, on accepting others, and on accepting oneself. Enjoy. :-)
And the longer and more carefully we look at a sad story, the funnier it become ! When you leave moist cookie on the kitchen counter they dry out and when you forget dry cookie on the kitchen counter they become moist The human mind is nothing but a delicious cookie. And society is a box of chip ahoy. You see, once I was looking at my fridge and suddenly understood the human psyche. A fridge is like your ego. The bigger it is, the emptier it feels
I feel so sad for them that reject Carl Jung.... that it is not evidence based..... the wisdom in his teachings are beyond human imagination. I can understand his remarks but not his his question. He is just so brilliant to connect and grasp how things interact and function. I just can't stop smiling of joy and happiness when I hear his words. :)
You can't go back. Religion has been the greatest source of destruction in my life, and of my mothers, her worlds. After hitting bottom there are only 2 options: lay there in self pity, or get up and find something that is meaningful. Find your bliss, that's Joe's real message. I hope your pessimism gives way to creative endeavors for meaning.
I feel like I was born with a gigantic amount of darkness inside me but also a vast amount of light! Sometimes I feel like I'm going to lose myself, I feel so vast, filled with energy, dark energy but luckily light energy! I feel everything so deeply, something that for someone won't matter a lot to me is something great, everything is so vivid, but the terrible side of the coin is the fact that I also feel darkness too deeply and I have to fight my darkest of impulses many times!
For some reason I was put off psychoanalytical thinking by a brief and basic introduction to Freud. I don't mean to sound like it's Freud vs Jung but just that my immediate sense of Jung is that he was a genius who makes me want to continue the search, whereas Frued made me think it was fruitless.
This is beautiful and very true... The problem is to activate this when you are opressed... abused... exploited... There are many great discourses which One cannot make effective when in a state of deep pain by the Other.
@@pavelungurean implying the dude doesn't have a job because he is listening to this, and implying that he needs a psychiatrist with absolutly no logical reason presented, my friend, having trouble accepting the darkness in yourself?
yes, theres something to be gained by all 3. i will always be thankful for all the great teachers that have come before and are currently here, and these 3 are great teachers. youd be wise to let everything be a teacher, but some things/people can teach more than others.
In which aspect you put Peterson with these two giants? Peterson is light years behind these two. I found everything in Watts philosophy. I found nothing in Petersons philosophy
"you have to accept the good part of you so that you can accept the bad part of you." Well said, My favorite video and Im going to listen to it 3 more times untlil i can get everything from it.
numerrita I think it means if you cant accept the bad in you you cant accept anyone else but if the bad in you cant accept yourself anyway they you continually do not accept yourself as what you have accepted so does jung accept that he does not accept himself and if so how does he go about accepting himself at all? Surely it means that his inability to accept himself is what he accepts about himself in order so that he can accept others as well. Accepting others for being bad is no good if you dont do the same for yourself, or are you that unnacceptable to yourself that you are able to do that for others whilst still trying to improve yourself through your own dissapproval of yourself, I.e. having yourself have higher standards for yourself than for other people
I have received more help than I could have asked for, from many I don't even know. All this came in the name of Christ so I have accepted him, and I will move forward with his love and grace.
Christ lives in all of us. We have the free will to CHOOSE to listen to the Divine Will but more often than not we dont. Fortunately, Our Lord is a forgiving Father and allows all His children to repent and try again :)
TOOL introduced me to Jung. And I will be eternally grateful for it. The idea of the archetype unlocks uncountable doors in both perception and reality. fortysix and 2 just ahead of me.
so powerful! I am now understand the true meaning of life. Accept oneself and just be, and whole outlook in life changes, and others will be drawn to you. And love cures.
when applied to actual life, people can get upset that you don't condemn a person. (speaking of high school) for example, all of my friends are mad at this girl, while I have learned to not be mad at her, yet they get mad at me for wanting to be kind to her and understanding her
Empathy is objective yet still a perspective formed out of a hypothesis. We can be both relate and be detached from an experience and still grow from it. Hence the notion that condemnation is not liberating but actually oppressive and acceptance is necessary for change and healing-liberating.
The power of silent knowledge. People preach acceptance as a cure all, but I think we should be very careful about what we accept. To accept is to be complicit. Your non acceptance need no be advertised, just quietly go your own way and accept what you wish to. Silent knowledge is a mighty force, it builds in a population and forces change in a way no political action can ever achieve.
We all have an animal within us, subdued by society, crushed by our upbringing or maybe released by such... But that Devil is who we truly are. Acceptance is self progress.
K Mag how so?. the baser nature leads directly to aggression, particularly of a sexual nature, and ultimately to murder. somethings morally have to be rejected. that which is repellant may need to be outright rejected as behavior. an inclination is separate from an act. may I accept your evil inclinations and reject your evil behaviors? fiends within indeed. beware do not feed!
jeanettesdaughter How do you come to "Murder" from self acceptance? Self acceptance of carnal desires surly equates to "freedom". It could be argued that confinement of one's emotions will eventually explode in an eruption of violence.
K Mag I feel like you may have misinterpreted this message. It sounded like Jung was calling for people to accept their inherent darkness through non judgement of the thing, and not judging yourself for having these emotions. But acting on these things unyieldingly and saying this darkness is who everyone is, I think is walking in a dangerous direction.
J. Reese yes we must accept and liberate that we do not accept ourselves to see how far and in what ways that is the correct thing to do in regard to self and others I.e. undoing things about ourselves and others we find unnacceptable but accept that we can often be too hard on ourselves by doing the wrong thing and/or allowing others to do the wrong thing instead of allowing both self and other to accept that we find certain things unacceptable and that is ok and that we should accept of ourselves and others that which deserves our acceptance.
"We can not change anything unless we accept it, condemnation does not liberate - it oppresses."
"We can not accept anything unless we understand it, ignorance isn't blissful but dreadful."
cecesugar - I think this was an approach to treat patients admitting to bad behaviors that are difficult for the therapist... to apply this to society or politics is extremely dangerous. Jung was alive during the time of fascists and dictatorship.
+357CLOUDY Black Feather Well, fascism is all about condemnation.
cecesugar I dont know. I think I disagree. We change that which we refuse to accept. There is no drive to improve that which we feel is not broken.
Derrick Barrows Ah but you must accept something is broken before taking reasonable action to fix it. Acceptance is simply acknowledging things for how they are - without passing judgement. Though, it does not take place of contentment. It can only take place guilt. Which is, at any rate, an illusion. A Neurotic symptom of the psyche. And so, if guilt, then, is the driving force to improve oneself they find them self always coming up short. For example, an individual who does not accept the way they look may act out in terms of a surgical procedure. And one can keep making changes, but so long as they do it out of non-acceptance they are merely treading the water of their own guilt.
I found this so true in my own life. In meditation I tried to remove all filthiness from my being, but all that came from it was an increase in the thoughts and negative emotions I was trying to purge. Once I accepted all the good and bad in my consciousness I began to feel myself free of this negativity. We cannot uneat the fruit, but we can bring balance of the two energies within ourselves.
@Bullyhunterxhunter
It seems the challenge is,
to accept myself, forgive myself, seeing myself as another one to accept and forgive. To honestly,
Look in the mirror, and forgive.
I can't undo the past.
Two of my favorite authorities in their fields, Jung & Watts.
"...Dumb." ? Impossible! I may have thought, however, recognizing my
own synchronistic inclination, finally I sense a spark of hope for this raskel or worse, "that I was."
Be encouraged Bullyhunterxhunter !!!
there is solace in the idea that our thoughts are not our own, but given to us to choose or deny. We shame ourselves, thinking that we are bad because of the thoughts we have, but the truth is (may be) that those thoughts are not conjured consciously, but unconsciously by uncontrollable firing of synapses and hormones. I mean, the best we can do is physically exercise and make conscious decisions to do right by ourselves and others so that the condition of our physical brain is optimal (healthy and able to reduce fear and stress), but beyond that, we are only managers of the thoughts that arise.
“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so” William Shakespeare’s tragedy, Hamlet.
You are neither good nor bad, except that you think you are one or the other....and if you do choose one or the other, you're either arrogant (prideful) or a peasant; undeserving of love (shameful)
"It requires the greatest art to be simple." ....profound.
Once you are aware of complexity I would add.
Jordan.P talked about this in regard to parents. I think he said that parents who claim that they could not possibly hurt or dislike their child are the more dangerous ones because they are denying that they have a shadow and possibly trying to supress certain behaviours and feelings that will instead "come out" unconsciously.
Whereas someone who is aware of their shadow and has incoperated it have control over it. Because of this, the child won't trigger them into passive agressiveness or even rage that would make them unconsciously harm the child psychologically and possibly physically.
The hell with Juden Peterstein, and your comment makes no sense.
As somebody who has parents like this, lemme tell you JP was 1000% right about that.
You basically just described my mother when discussing unconscious emotional expression. Amazing perspective.
@@lw3179 hah, true tbh
@@isotoperesearch11 attempt to think without prejudice and you might be able to make sense.
"Look baby, I'm not a bad guy, I just have an element of irreducible rascality"
The singular purpose of this integration is to balance and control that dark side.
Ahaha
Ur comment made my day
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This dark side thing is it a personal thing all men secretly went through ????
"Manure is contributive to the perfume of the rose" is such a beautiful sentence
So basically acknowledge and accept the monsters within and be kind to them, so that there doesn't need to be any internal fighting. Accept your dark side but be good.
Priyanka W I would say try to work with your shadow and figure out what you want to transmute what you want to retain. Ordo ab chaos, order still loves chaos and out of chaos comes more order but order in order to have chaotic effects is just as bad as pure chaos I.e. mobs/groups/ideologies, discerning band and good or right and wrong are still crucial for some things although judgement in the light of unconditional love is more difficult because unconditional love allows us as man conditions as we want so hoe do we reconcile this with what we have hithertil now considered to be ethics. In the sense of the light and dark they should be treated as forces that can be discerned in the one and expressed...this leaves us with many unanswered questions left over from hermetic alchemy such as is chaos always a bad thing? Is it the same as disorder? Is the word a chaotic thing or since it is wedded to meaning is that irrelevant? Who can measure the chaos or order in language as it is than how it is recieved understood and its eventual effects? Is order always a good thing? How can we measure order in terms of what has been termed a plutonian logos? does it matter in terms of good or the trust people place in the word of god no matter how unpredictable it can be, should it be our task to tame the tongue if people have no idea who they are? Thoughts?
I think that's exactly what Watts and Jung are saying...though Jung would add that "being kind to them" will involve a long, arduous process of inner alchemical transmutation.
without the pitch blackness we couldn't have been able to perceive the brightness of stars in heaven ..... Watts soberly profound - as always.
“Unfortunately there can be no doubt that man is, on the whole, less good than he imagines himself or wants to be. Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individual’s conscious life, the blacker and denser it is. At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions.” (Carl Jung)
“If we fail to make the Unconscious Conscious it will continue to dominate us & we will continue to call it fate”
Brilliant quote from Jung. Not in this piece but elsewhere. I continue to use it in my work with addiction; particularly apposite in this field.
Carl Jung is more than just a psychologist, he is a prophet of our age. Once you accept yourself for who you are you become a happier person and other people will want to be your friend. Well that happened to me. Cheers
I doubt Jung would ever want anyone to call him a prophet, that would defeat his purpose (Watts talks about this). I'm glad you had a break through and that you found yourself.
Hi Tiger I guess you have a point. I wouldn't like a religion to grow out of this. What I like about Jung is it's not judgemental, there are no demons only false personalities that we create, Therefore we have to take responsibility fir that.
Jung, Watts, Mckenna David-Neel etc. all want us to ourselves. This means making our own decisions that is not regulated by worry, ego, fear, insecurities, relationships, toxic lifestyles, so on and so forth. If you start to act like one of them or idolize them it takes away from their very purpose. They all write and discuss this very point. I definitely share these with friends and family and we have our own discussions.
The ego is a filter, your personality is a filter. It's influenced by everything you experience in your life and is also a biological consciousness of who you really are. It's a struggle between your surroundings and the real you. Once you confront the real you and destroy your ego and are reborn then you finally realize this filter (or whatever it manifests itself as. I've heard it been called a wax a binding of some sort).
Well said Tiger but I am not sure we could destroy the ego. As you say it's a defence mechanism. I think of the ego as a balloon, the more hot air (false persona) it consumes the more fragile it becomes. Until someone comes along with a PIN !
Paul Drake You can and many have destroyed their egos right in front of their face. I believe you are mistaking the cortex with the ego. Two different things here.
WOW what a great quote! 3:30 - 3:51 "....Not as something to be condemned and wailed over but as something to be recognised as contributive to ones greatness and to ones positive aspects, in the same way that MANURE IS CONTRIBUTIVE TO THE PERFUME OF THE ROSE. Jung saw this and Jung accepted this... "
sjmark1111 Yeah, that's fantastic. I've come to a similar place in my life recently where I've learnt to be grateful for the negative aspects of my life because they've pushed me to find purpose and meaning that otherwise would've been lost to me.
Jason Rougeau Well I would have to say my oppion and maybe mine alone.
Is that an equal amount of people are also figuring out that choice does have an effect.
Into ones well being, Then one would argue about depression the neurological disorder would have a factor as well.
To think that a person can simply change the way of being just by the process of thought.
There are a lot of factors that play a place here.
Where one lives so invorment, Money is a big factor for some and having or the non having of friends and or family.
So you live in a nice neighborhood and make good money with a lot of friends then your automatically more happy in life.
That as well is not always the fact Robin Williams proves this to be false.
As for me I don't believe in a bunch of medication shoveling down your throat would be the only answere.
There are so many different things that play into depression.
A good way of thinking sometimes couldn't hurt to try and I have methods that have worked for some and then there are those that need to hear it consistently in order to have it sink in. Reassurance for some is all they need.
So, it is the contrast then which makes the smell of the rose significant as it is compared against manure or bad smells. For there to be light, there must be dark.
It is a bit difficult when you can't help but feel that there's too much manure.
Is this to observe your own dark feelings like resentment, for example, go into it and understand it, see what it tells you?
Maybe you need to speak out, stand up for yourself and not let people walk over you, therefore those dark feelings is a benefit. I think I heard something similar from J.P.
In what other ways do we incorporate our shadow self?
Carl Jung, one of the most brillant men ever.
MetrazolElectricity Actually,he might have.He certainly would have seen through the phooneyness of Obama and the evil nature of Hillary Clinton.
I think Trump was a godsend if only to preserve the world from lady macbeth.Whether he end up being a good president or a failure,he will have serve a purpose to bring many issues to the forefront.I have nothing but contempt for Trump protestors.Bill Clinton inflicted sanctions on Iraq that killed half a million children,and where were the protestors.There were hardly any protestors when Bush invaded and destroyed Iraq.Not a word when hillary the bitch destroyed Libya.Trump protestors are pieces of sh...t
+MetrazolElectricity I don't think he'd vote for someone without a conscience.
Maybe he would have voted for Jill Stein of the Greens?
John,
I wish you a soft landing when you come to your senses.
-dlj.
No
Pleasantly surprised to hear the delectable voice of Alan Watts.
Thank you incomplete video title!
It is my deepest desire to be a good friend to all people
"We cannot change anything unless we accept it." ~ LOVE THIS! Acceptance of one's~ SELF.
This was beautiful, thanks for sharing. Both Alan Watts and Carl Jung have become great inspirations in my life.
@MrFourkinghell my balls. Thank You.
Jung is a fascinating person by any standards and in earlier times he would undoubtedly have been seen as a great prophet. For a brilliant man of science to embrace his mystical experiences and explore and learn from them sets him apart from almost every other important intellectual. Yet many 'admirers' of Jung are inclined to ignore this aspect of his personality when it's obvious that doing so makes it impossible to form anything approaching a reasonable understanding of the man. His great gift was to be able to explore his inner self, an ability he thought we all posses to some degree but usually leave it unexplored and for most of us that might well be for the best. His theory of the collective unconscious, if correct has profound implications for all of us and it would go a long way to explaining such thing as telepathy, precognitive dreams and many other phenomena. A man of outstanding intellect and great humanity.
Jung's 'The Red Book' helped me to see and understand the journey we all must undertake to find the way to an holistic and unflinching view of ourselves. William Blake also pointed the way for me as well...there are so few who make the journey and come out again with the understanding and wherewithal to record their journeys so the rest of us have a road map that can indicate the obstacles and bread crumb trail that allows us to find our back to society.
Humility IS humorous honesty about oneself.
I wish people would watch this as well as other documentaries about this man, who was so human while being such a genius, an all encompassing soul, who had dared to submerge into his own darkness and came out of it, at an advanced age, to be enriched, matured, wiser than before. He had so much to share, like that one thing that seems to be so difficult for Americans, to look at their own shadow. Most of them decided not to look inside any more at all, except -maybe - when on drugs. - And to project any shadow on the bad other. That''not how peace is being achieved.You only can understand the other after you have gazed into the depths of your own self.
+Alexander Albert That sure took a completely unrelated turn.
+Hayden Smart No, that is a perfect example.
RUth Pulver : Lol your verbiage is a perfect example of being the opposite of what is being praised in Jung. The "Americans" as you like to put it in all of their wretchedness are apparently a mirror image of you.
This is a beautiful talk from Watts on his admiration of Jung. Jung's ability to be human and accept all of his nature, is what allowed him to be such an astounding psychotherapist. As a trainee myself, one fundamental principle I'm learning is the more we accept in ourselves, the more available we can be to allow the client to 'accept the devil in themselves'.
Allan Watts speaking about Jung... deepness wrapped up in even more deepness 😁👌
I believe this accepting of the shadow is called in some circles "grace," and someone once said that by it one may be salvaged, which might mean "accepted."
Great man, went way beyond, getting into other cultural ideas of self, and helping to integrate them into western culture. I try to know me, that's been a lot of work, but it works, and the sense of humor helps greatly, to cut through it all. Plus, whatever your belief system many be. Peace and love my fellow travelers.
My parents are shit people. Out and out shit people. They don't care about anyone on earth other than themselves. Should have never had children - both (long divorced) have separately said they just did what everyone else did when they married and started a family. It is painfully unnatural for them to consider the wants and needs of another person. A completely foreign experience. Dad was a senior manager in the corporate world, an authoritarian who wasn't challenged often and certainly didn't have it from his kids; Mum an alcoholic.
Not surprisingly, having been brought up in an environment created by the two of them, I myself slowly but surely realised firstly who and what they are, and secondly that I am cast from the same mould. And only after accepting the hate filled eyes with which I view the world, a hatred projected onto everyone and everything, am I beginning to discover some love at times. I'm on the way up.
GetUpFalcon Accept it. Feel the rage and move on.
Its not your fault!!!
@@janethockey9070 100% mate! Like Watts said you can only make sense of something (and hopefully transform it) by diving into it - sounds simple but oh so true. You don't get better at maths by avoiding your homework do ya.
@Bullyhunterxhunter Not very helpful when your parents make their problems yours is it! Keep your problems within your boundaries so they don't burden someone else.
I gave this feedback to my folks, both weren't interested in hearing it so I threw the middle up to the sky and put both of them outside of my boundary - the best thing ever mentally.
My brother wasn't willing to end his relationship with them because "they're family," turned to drugs to deal with the detrimental influence they have on his life and threw his brain away. Is now mentally ill and in and out of psych wards.
Be prepared to walk away from ANYONE and ANYTHING if they are a negative influence in your life. Think long and hard about the decision as you have to live with the consequences thereafter, but fuck 'em.
I can very much relate ... parents got divorced because my dad was secretly a terrible person. Anyways, i realized that terrible person also resides within me and its a horrible thing to accept. Nonetheless, my only way forward is reconciling this.
"Forgive them or risk becoming them".
Truly, I hope the best for you.
The hardest person to forgive is often yourself. I struggle with this all the time. My perceived failures and feelings of inadequacy and lack of progress in my own life is something I struggle with. But this and the writings of the ancient Stoics are pushing me to accept things as they are and to strive for virtue as my standard for happiness.
This is just so brilliant. "Condemnation does not liberate: it oppresses." Some of our politicians would do well to take this onboard right now!
Everyone, read, The Gnostic Jung.....mind blowing.
Does it explore any of his ideas in "Answer to Job"? I loved "Memories ,Dreams and Reflections"
You see yourself in others and they in you.
facing the darkness can be so painful, so hard so much can be buried and then we forget that we have forgotten where we buried that which we thought we could not face.
Unconditional acceptance is not an easy errand, it is initiation of self
My word of the day " hintergedanken " love it!😊
When i first saw his Quote that says "There's No coming to Consciousness without pain"
Amen to that..
pious Hadebe ..he said that too?,pain is cool!
yeah.. i usually read quotes. but this one spoke to me in a spiritual level. It was very deep.
Pain is visceral truth. You can't deny pain.
"... the element of irreducible rascality..." Brilliant phrase. I've thought this so many times but never heard it expressed so succinctly. It's often only noticeable when many people act as one, a political vote, say. I've always explained it to myself in a vague way by relating it to the Trickster who existed in so many myths, Loki, Hermes, Tezcatlipoca and many more.
Going through this right now actually. I've learned that no matter how much you want to help someone from their own ego you can't. If someone wants to find truth they will seek it and find just as I and many others have. Until then there is darkness, boundaries, ego and problems.
I was recently a live studio audience member on a political debate show, and one of the panellist suggested that we all have the potential to murder, given the right circumstances. I felt and heard the audience recoil. They should have listened to this video.
+The Face of The Alphabet That's interesting, I've only had the same experience whilst presenting diametrically opposed points in discussions with small amounts of people. The ability to have a fair & balanced debate must tie in with this idea.
Not only we would have the potential to murder, but we woud act upon it *given the right circumstances*
People need their egos intact. If they begin to think they could murder, then perhaps they will murder. That is the fear. But Jung is going beyond that. Of course most of us do not accept our dark sides until it is obvious we cannot pretend it doesn't exist any longer.
He needs to be careful, or develop a very thick skin. Authenticity is a great marketing scheme, but almost no one really wants it.
Thank you for posting this ever so much. I've had a BIG breakthrough listening to this! Much love.
"Simple things are always the most difficult"....now that's an idea to ponder.
I don't exactly know why, but this quiets my soul every time I listen.
Wow that was so hectic, I love it. Almost literally made me cry.
Damn that is some deep stuff.
Great talk by Alan Watts. One of the points not explicitly made is that one ignores one's own dark side to one's own peril. That sort of bears repeating: one ignores one's own dark side to one's own peril. It's actually not acknowledging your own dark side that leads to so much evil on a person's part (unconscious behavior, "setting up" others for failure or catastrophes, and much worse. It was one of Jung's axioms that developing a healthy sense of humor about one's own dark side, on'es failures, and even one's own occasional selfishness or rascality was not only extremely healthy, it was the way to keep away REAL overbearing evil (in the form of things one apparently "accidently' or carelessly does to others-- or leaves undone [toxic neglect]. Case in point: Many violent fanatics in history, convinced they were doing "God's work or "the best for others" when actually they were causing extreme peril or more, even before getting to the point of outright exterminating other human beings who did not agree with them. This is a nice talk by Watts.
Absolutely brilliant, clear, profound and powerful. We humans reject the dark side instead of accepting it as a natural stage in our conscious evolution. We need to accept the darkness within and then it will dissolve in the light.
It's difficult at the least to pull together the various faces of oneself into a whole being without seeing the disgusting smudges and mixtures the undesirable parts leave. However that is the process of becoming whole: appreciation of the positive and negative parts of the human persona, an inevitable Ascension into individuality or an infinite descent into a singular flaw.
Beautifully said. Do you mind if I quote/use this??
This is incredible teaching and principle which sure can free us from any sorts of negativity
How do i do that? How can i love childmolesters, killers, liars, people who disrespect nature? How?? Howncan i find them within myself?
Yet the patient does not feel himself accepted unless the very worst in him is accepted too.
We cannot change anything unless we accept it. Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses. And I am the oppressor of the person I condemn, not his friend and fellow sufferer.
We must never pass judgement when we desire to help and improve.
If the doctor wishes to help a human being, he must be able to accept him as he is, and he can do this in reality only when he has already seen and accepted himself as he is.
But what if I should discover that the least amongst them all, the poorest of all the beggars, the most impudent of all offenders, the very fiend himself, that these are within me and that I, myself, stand in need of the arms of my own kindness; I, myself, am the enemy who must be loved, what then?
I love this idea "of the unseen presence of the divine will."
Wow. This was eight minutes of enlightenment.
Hello everybody. In this clip one of the of the most persuasive speakers I've ever heard speak voices the thoughts one of the most important thinkers of our time. Alan Watts reads us Carl Jung's thoughts on scruples, on empathy, on accepting others, and on accepting oneself. Enjoy. :-)
yes. humour is dark. the longer and more carefully we look at a funny story, the sadder it becomes
And the longer and more carefully we look at a sad story, the funnier it become !
When you leave moist cookie on the kitchen counter they dry out and when you forget dry cookie on the kitchen counter they become moist
The human mind is nothing but a delicious cookie. And society is a box of chip ahoy.
You see, once I was looking at my fridge and suddenly understood the human psyche. A fridge is like your ego. The bigger it is, the emptier it feels
for some -
not all...........
Hence the High rate of Depression among Comedians .
Vice Versa
First time I came here, I didn't know Jordan Peterson. Now I'm back and JP became pretty famous.
I feel so sad for them that reject Carl Jung.... that it is not evidence based..... the wisdom in his teachings are beyond human imagination. I can understand his remarks but not his his question. He is just so brilliant to connect and grasp how things interact and function. I just can't stop smiling of joy and happiness when I hear his words. :)
watts lead me to jung
Jaron Brown the rock band Tool lead me to Jung. Their song 46&2 is loosely based on his theories.
I started at Joseph Campbell.. became irreligious and my life fell apart. WOOHOO
But is your mind free?
i suppose... but i'd rather be plugged back into the matrix
You can't go back. Religion has been the greatest source of destruction in my life, and of my mothers, her worlds. After hitting bottom there are only 2 options: lay there in self pity, or get up and find something that is meaningful. Find your bliss, that's Joe's real message. I hope your pessimism gives way to creative endeavors for meaning.
Terence McKenna led me here. Much love to u all.
McKenna...Jung, I am in heaven.
And the voice of Alan Watts.
Honestly if I could have just an hour of conversation with McKenna I'd die happy haha
+JaviAIR You will get to meet him one day dependant on your personal beliefs :) call it fantasy
Dan Jones i sure hope so.
I feel like I was born with a gigantic amount of darkness inside me but also a vast amount of light! Sometimes I feel like I'm going to lose myself, I feel so vast, filled with energy, dark energy but luckily light energy! I feel everything so deeply, something that for someone won't matter a lot to me is something great, everything is so vivid, but the terrible side of the coin is the fact that I also feel darkness too deeply and I have to fight my darkest of impulses many times!
What an utterly brilliant man. listening to his voice, and the way he explains the complexity of something, is rather soothing as well.
Fascinating. A brilliant man.
For some reason I was put off psychoanalytical thinking by a brief and basic introduction to Freud. I don't mean to sound like it's Freud vs Jung but just that my immediate sense of Jung is that he was a genius who makes me want to continue the search, whereas Frued made me think it was fruitless.
One of a brilliant minds
This is beautiful and very true... The problem is to activate this when you are opressed... abused... exploited...
There are many great discourses which One cannot make effective when in a state of deep pain by the Other.
philosophy should be taught exclusively till grade 6 at least. or to some extent more than it is now.
@@pavelungurean implying the dude doesn't have a job because he is listening to this, and implying that he needs a psychiatrist with absolutly no logical reason presented, my friend, having trouble accepting the darkness in yourself?
Pavel Ungurean oh, maybe you’re right, shouldn’t take youtube comments so seriously
This is not philosophy.
that would break the current system we live in today
this is Alan Watts speaking about Carl Jung...
Yup
Thanks, I was wondering who it was.
A true sage...
'Feel it to heal it' -- right!
Carl Jung and Alan Watts... This is dope
We jungians should start our own society.
I led me to here, our collective consciousness followed.
so glad I found this.
thank you for sharing such a beautful peace
Thank You so much dearest 💐
You’re such an inspiration 🥰
Be Blissful Eternally 🙏😇
Jordan Peterson led me here. Bless both these men
jackierobinsonfan all three in fact. wisdom of the ages
jackierobinsonfan very nice
Amen - surpassing great souls.
yes, theres something to be gained by all 3. i will always be thankful for all the great teachers that have come before and are currently here, and these 3 are great teachers. youd be wise to let everything be a teacher, but some things/people can teach more than others.
In which aspect you put Peterson with these two giants? Peterson is light years behind these two. I found everything in Watts philosophy. I found nothing in Petersons philosophy
"accepting the darkness of self and others" looking at the youtube comments section
"you have to accept the good part of you so that you can accept the bad part of you." Well said, My favorite video and Im going to listen to it 3 more times untlil i can get everything from it.
numerrita I think it means if you cant accept the bad in you you cant accept anyone else but if the bad in you cant accept yourself anyway they you continually do not accept yourself as what you have accepted so does jung accept that he does not accept himself and if so how does he go about accepting himself at all? Surely it means that his inability to accept himself is what he accepts about himself in order so that he can accept others as well. Accepting others for being bad is no good if you dont do the same for yourself, or are you that unnacceptable to yourself that you are able to do that for others whilst still trying to improve yourself through your own dissapproval of yourself, I.e. having yourself have higher standards for yourself than for other people
True of words & though. The love of truth and wisdom of the heart is what Real Love Is, this man was on top his Humanity. Peace
Wow, so very true.
I have received more help than I could have asked for, from many I don't even know. All this came in the name of Christ so I have accepted him, and I will move forward with his love and grace.
Christ lives in all of us. We have the free will to CHOOSE to listen to the Divine Will but more often than not we dont. Fortunately, Our Lord is a forgiving Father and allows all His children to repent and try again :)
It's crazy how that last question was going through my mind this morning and how randomly I got to find out about Jung today. Goosebumps
The word shameless comes to mind.
"...the way manure is contributive to the fragrance of the rose."
Take this to heart. LIVE IT!
Thanks
TOOL introduced me to Jung. And I will be eternally grateful for it. The idea of the archetype unlocks uncountable doors in both perception and reality. fortysix and 2 just ahead of me.
I love Alan Watts but I've heard his voice so much I hear it when I meditate. I think I've absorbed everything he has online
wow this is awesome, the first comments list I haven't heard any negitivity :)
Yes isn't it refreshing. Have a great day 😉💚
mckenna, watts, and jung.
The holy trinity
Best words from Jung.
so powerful! I am now understand the true meaning of life. Accept oneself and just be, and whole outlook in life changes, and others will be drawn to you. And love cures.
This helped me, it made it click. Thank you
Alan Watts on Jung
I love this bit. Brilliant. One of my all time favorite lectures by Watts.
Zak Borden hello, i am wondering which particular lecture this clip is from? my thanks if you could help
One of the greatest minds ever for sure! I kind of thought the same before listening to this but could never put this together like he did
"(Alan Watts on) Carl Jung on Accepting the Darkness of Self and Others"
Is this Alan Watts narrating? Anyone know? I don't see any explanation of that...
yep. watts
Mimi Seton Music sometimes reading other posts, before posting questions, will answer for you.... much love
Ooh you're special for thinking that
I think watts knew everything is smoke and mirrors anyway . I never heard him try to 'convert' anyone
What point are you trying to make? Or are you just picking fights?
Worth watching and listening.
simply send this to every contact.....real wisdom is so rare these days
when applied to actual life, people can get upset that you don't condemn a person. (speaking of high school) for example, all of my friends are mad at this girl, while I have learned to not be mad at her, yet they get mad at me for wanting to be kind to her and understanding her
Welcome to the main reason why Christians are persecuted.
@@dr.spectre9697 Christians are not being persecuted.
Play the act
This is Alan Watts on Carl Jung...
Empathy is objective yet still a perspective formed out of a hypothesis. We can be both relate and be detached from an experience and still grow from it. Hence the notion that condemnation is not liberating but actually oppressive and acceptance is necessary for change and healing-liberating.
The power of silent knowledge.
People preach acceptance as a cure
all, but I think we should be very careful about what we accept. To
accept is to be complicit. Your non acceptance need no be advertised,
just quietly go your own way and accept what you wish to. Silent
knowledge is a mighty force, it builds in a population and forces change
in a way no political action can ever achieve.
Justin Love knowledge of the silent you mean...right on
We all have an animal within us, subdued by society, crushed by our upbringing or maybe released by such... But that Devil is who we truly are. Acceptance is self progress.
agreed
That 'devil' is PART of who we are; but who we truly are as a Whole, goes beyond that... If we have the courage and insight to pursue it...!
K Mag how so?. the baser nature leads directly to aggression, particularly of a sexual nature, and ultimately to murder. somethings morally have to be rejected. that which is repellant may need to be outright rejected as
behavior. an inclination is separate from an act. may I accept your evil inclinations and reject your evil behaviors? fiends within indeed. beware do not feed!
jeanettesdaughter How do you come to "Murder" from self acceptance? Self acceptance of carnal desires surly equates to "freedom". It could be argued that confinement of one's emotions will eventually explode in an eruption of violence.
K Mag I feel like you may have misinterpreted this message. It sounded like Jung was calling for people to accept their inherent darkness through non judgement of the thing, and not judging yourself for having these emotions. But acting on these things unyieldingly and saying this darkness is who everyone is, I think is walking in a dangerous direction.
'"We cannot liberate it, unless we accept it"
J. Reese yes we must accept and liberate that we do not accept ourselves to see how far and in what ways that is the correct thing to do in regard to self and others I.e. undoing things about ourselves and others we find unnacceptable but accept that we can often be too hard on ourselves by doing the wrong thing and/or allowing others to do the wrong thing instead of allowing both self and other to accept that we find certain things unacceptable and that is ok and that we should accept of ourselves and others that which deserves our acceptance.
Jung was most certainly enlightened.
Thank you! 🙏🏾❤️🙏🏾