As a Portuguese speaker, I loved the sound of the nasal vowels, which is something not really common in modern European languages. Only Polish still has them in the Slavic branch, if I am not mistaken.
European Portuguese has heavy Gaelic influences in terms of pronunciation. S's are all pronounced as Sh or Ch and all E's at the end of words are silent. Reminds me of the phrase Mo Cusle.
Poland also has a regional (another Lechitic) language that has them as well - Kashubian. Plus I've read somewhere on Wikipedia that one dialect of Slovene has retained nasal vowels (at least partially).
@@denistheeffectmaker2008 I’m a nurse in Australia, we have a lot of Serbs and Croat nurses here, it’s funny we can almost have entire conversations in a pan-Slavic dialect 😅 few things get lost in translation but uncanny how much we understand of each other
*_About Slavic languages:_* *_∆. Proto-Slavic: Proto-Slavic is the common ancestor language of Slavic languages and is considered to be the oldest phase of Slavic languages. There is no literature written directly in Proto-Slavic, but linguists have reconstructed its structure and vocabulary from Old and Modern Slavic languages. This language is believed to have developed between the 5th and 9th centuries_* *_∆∆. Old Slavonic: Old Slavonic was the first documented and written form of Slavic languages. Initially, the Glagolitic alphabet was used to write Old Slavonic, developed by the missionary brothers Cyril and Methodius. Later, the Cyrillic alphabet was introduced and is still used in many Slavic languages_* *_∆∆∆. Old Clerical Slavonic: Old Clerical Slavonic, also known as Church Slavonic, was a specific variant of Old Slavonic used for religious and liturgical purposes. It was primarily used by the Slavic Orthodox Church and is still used by some Slavic religious denominations_* *_∆∆∆∆. Interslavic: Interslavic is an artificial language designed for the purposes of international communication among Slavs. It was developed around 2006 and aims to facilitate communication between different Slavic peoples. Uses a combination of Slavic language features to maximize mutual comprehensibility_* *_∆∆∆∆∆. Slovio: Slovio is another artificial language created to unify Slavic languages. It was developed in the mid-1990s based on similarities between Slavic languages. However, it received less recognition and use than the Interslavic_* *_Useful, technical and cultural information about Slavic languages and cultures_* *_Good night and have a good one, good August to all_*
To be honest, I was expecting such a presentation of Proto-Slavic as you did with the previous pro-languages, but it was also quite interesting, thanks for the video.
The fact that Proto-Slavic was still spoken during Middle Ages, not during Bronze Age or something, is still bizarre to me to this day. Balto-Slavic languages, to me are also really conservative compared to most other Indo-European languages. It's also fascinating that these languages share more features with Sanskrit and Persian than they do with English and French, for example. I guess it's because some dialects that gave birth to Indo-Iranian and Balto-Slavic languages (satem languages) were spoken somewhere near the Black Sea before spread out further.
Still, Proto-Slavic doesn't fully develop satemization (es. Russian корова and кровь, cfr. Latin cornus and cruor) and shares isoglosses with Germanic languages (-m ending in dative and instrumental).
@@TheStraightEdger Thanks! Haha, I was just wondering why, but I think it's interesting, almost like it's an areal feature. Guess it's a convergent evolution?
@@Valerio_the_wandering_sprite the krov' part came from proto indo european krewh (with a normal k) whereas the satemization only occurs on palatalized k. But i agree. the korova part is supposely a palatalized k and by that logic supposed to turn into s or sh. Same thing with moloko which is still disputed as one said that those types of nouns with an initial palatalized k that turned into normal k instead of s or sh is either a borrowing from germanic languages or as you said, the satemization didn't occur completely. Still disputed.
Proto-Slavic is a completely reconstructed language that is largely based on Old Church Slavonic and on records of other old Slavic languages like is old Russian, old Czech or old Bulgarian, but still we will never know exactly how it sounded, as there are no records. But this version of the speech seems a bit too soft to me, the original probably sounded more harsh according to linguists. It can also be taken into account that this is late Proto-Slavic roughly from the 7th - 8th century from which Old Church Slavonic gradually arose. Proto-Slavic from the 4th or 3rd century would probably sound quite different.
You have a point. The only thing we can be sure of is that the original language during the Bronze -Iron - Middle ages was sounded completely different. But definitely it existed back. As for the late phase it is true the latest stage is not that different from the next stages, linguists also found that during the 2nd some important sounds didn't develop yet.
That's funny, while I watched Andy's videos about comparison of Germanic/Italic languages I wondering "did those languages understandable to modern German/Italian speakers? All of those different grammatic constructions, different synonimcal words and so on" But for Slavic languages as a Russian I can say proto-Slavic is definitely understandable at 70-80%. It's impressive, how actually young Slavic languages are and how we still didn't lost our mutually intelligible.
Right. This is because Proto-Slavic is only about 1200 years old. I think a better comparison to other proto Indo-European language families would be to try to understand Proto Balto-Slavic, which dates to about 600 BC.
Same language! The Slavonic text in the video is very poor, however. I have yet to see any document that uses such strange grammar as 《иѥ》or using ꙗ in the middle of words.
Very similar to Croatian, numbers, words, stories. Oče naš, koji jesi na nebesima, sveti se ime Tvoje, dođi kraljevstvo Tvoje, budi volja Tvoja, kako na nebu, tako i na zemlji. Kruh naš svagdanji daj nam danas, i otpusti nam duge naše, kako i mi otpuštamo dužnicima našim, i ne uvedi nas u napast, nego izbavi nas od Zla. Jer tvoje je kraljevstvo i slava i moć u vjekove. Amen.
This is why I believe there was a Germano-Balto-Slavic branch in the history of Indo European though it’s more than just nasal vowels, that was just a common feature (also things like -m and -sk being common in grammatical forms). So Germanic branching off first, then Slavic, then Baltic remaining the most conservative. Although Polish has conserved the nasal vowels you don’t really hear in Baltic or other Slavic languages today, and minor dialects like Elfdalian in Sweden also having the nasal old Norse vowels as well.
As a Russian speaker studying German and English, I can say I noticed much more similarities in vocabulary and grammatical structure between Germanic and Slavic branches, than between Romance and Slavic, that's true.
Nice video. It looks at times that the differences are just because of different choice of words/expressions, e.g. v veki vekom' / viecngda. Really, differences between English dialects can get much deeper than the differences shown here.
Ojcze nasz żyjesz w niebie Imię twoje będzie święte Królestwo twoje przyjdzie Wole twoje działają Na ziemi tak w niebiosach Daj nam dzienny Chleb powszedni nasz I dopuść długi nasze jako i My odpuszczamy dłużnikom naszym I nie wiedz nas w grzech Nas zbaw od czorta (lol) Bo twoje jest królestwo I potęga I sława na wieczność (Tak będzie) I tried to write the Protoslavic version with Polish words while keeping syntax.
I translated into modern Russian (in latin just for comparison): Otec nash, zhivuśij na nebesah Svjatitsja imja Tvojё Pridёt Carstvije Tvojё Budet volja Tvoja Kak na nebe tak i na zemle Hleb nash nasuśnyj Daj nam na sej den' I prosti nam dolgi nashi, Kak i my prośajem dolzhnikam nashim I ne vvedi nas v grehi, No izbav' nas ot lukavogo(chёrta). Ibo Tvojё jest' Carstvo I sila i slava vo veki. Tak budet.
@@TheStraightEdger I realize that modern Polish version of Lords Pray contains elements of Proto-Slavic and Church Slavonic Modern version: Ojcze nasz, któryś jest w niebie Święć się imię Twoje Przyjdź królestwo Twoje Bądź wola Twoja Jako w niebie tak i na ziemi Chleba naszego powszedniego Daj nam dzisiaj I odpuść nam nasze winy Jako i my odpuszczamy naszym winowajcom I nie wódź nas na pokuszenie Ale nas zbaw ode złego Bo twoje jest Królestwo Potęga i chwała na wieki Amen.
оче наш живëшь в небе имя твоë пуще света королевство твоë пришедше воля твою живая на земле и в небесах дай нам денно хлеб повседневный наш и допущ длуги дальше надоело.
Отьчє нашь ижє ѥси на нєбєсѣхъ да свѧтитъ сѧ имѧ твоѥ да придєтъ цѣсар҄ьствиѥ твоѥ да бѫдетъ волꙗ твоꙗ ꙗко на нєбєси и на ꙁємл҄и хлѣбъ нашь насѫщьнънъіи и отъпоусти намъ длъгъі нашѧ ꙗко и мъі отъпоущаѥмъ длъжьникомъ нашимъ и нє въвєди насъ въ искоушєниѥ нъ иꙁбави нъі оть нєприꙗꙁни ꙗко твоѥ ѥстъ цѣсар҄ьствиѥ и сила и слава въ вѣкомъ аминь
Could you please tell us more about Slavic language? ( numbers, vocabulary and story ). For me, as Russian native speaker it would be so interesting!:)
1:13 It's wrong spell "оу" like "ou", because оу is the letter Ꙋ (it's called uk, a digraph of early Cyrillic alphabet). It has to be spelled just like "u"
As a Serbian and Orthodox Christian and a daughter of a priest who's used to hearing Church Slavonic, our pronunciation of Church Slavonic is quite different than in this video. We don't use nasal vowels, we read ѧ as "ya" (same as ꙗ), ѫ like "oo" in "book", щ as "shch", ѣ as "ye" and ъ can be read as different vowels, or not read at all. So Lords prayer sounds like this (it's not 100% the same as in this video) Отче наш, иже јеси на небесјех. Да свјатит сја имја Твоје, да придет царствије Твоје, да будет воља Твоја, јако на небеси и на земљи. Хљеб наш насушчни дажд нам днес, и остави нам долги нашја, јако же и ми остављајем должником нашим. И не воведи нас во искушеније, но избави нас от лукаваго. Амин.
Отче наш, сущий на Небесах! Да святится имя Твое, да приидет царствие Твое, на земле как и на Небесах. Хлеб насущный дай нам на сей день, и прости грехи наши как и мы прощаем должникам нашим и не введи в искушение, но избавь от лукавого. Ибо Твоя сила и слава во веки веков. Аминь
The Old Church Slavonic is also called Old Bulgarian, because it was declared as the official language in 893, and remained so durning the first and second bulgarian empires.
Example to check how different nations looked at language name is in book(s) of lows from Sveti Sava, Krmchia. Book of lows rewriten for Blgaria change word "Serbski" to "Slovenski". Same for Russia.
Let me add a bit more information: Old Church Slavonic is the first Slavic literary norm, meant for use as a literary norm for all Slavs. It was created by Saints Cyril and Methodius, who set themselves a mission to baptise: literaricise, and rebuild positive relations between the Slavs. Although Byzantine, their mother was likely Slavic and they grew up in a quite Slavic popular area of Byzantium, in Thessaloniki. Perhaps because of this, they has positive attitudes towards the Slavic and were well versed. Saints Cyril and Methodius standardised the Slavic language based on the Bulgarian/Macedonian Slavic dialects of Thessaloniki, which besides being their hometown and therefore the intuitive choice, it also marked a common tongue with one of the two largest Slavic states of the time: the Bulgarian Empire. Because of standardising the Bulgarian/Macedonian Slavic dialects, letting for easy adoption by the Bulgarian state of Old Church Slavonic with little to no change, the term "Old Bulgarian" is often used synonymously with "Old Church Slavonic", as the two were identical. Keep in mind, this was all before the divergence of Slavic into different languages, and at this point the Slavic tongues merely developed more-or-less mutually intelligible accents and dialects. This is why although the Old Church Slavonic was identical with Old Bulgarian, as it was standardised based on the Saints' hometown Bulgarian/Macedonian dialects, it was essentially understandable by all Slavs, it will just feel a bit "different" and may need slight changes for adoption, a bit like being American and watching an Australian show. Old Church Slavonic was standardised for the mission to Greater Moravia, and the Glagolitic alphabet was created with it. Saints Cyril and Methodius took on the mission along with several students of theirs. The conversion and literisation of Greater Moravia was successful at first, until a change in rulership after the deaths of the saints, where a lot of their holy and academic work was undone, and their students were expelled from Greater Moravia. The five most famous of these Students were the Bulgarian Holy five: St Climent of Ohrid, St Naum, St Sava, St Angelerius, and St Gorazd. These five students along with Saints Cyril and Methodius are collectively known as the Sedmočislenici (Свети Седмочисленици, "Holy Seven"), or the more common names in English: "Seven Slavic Saints" and "Seven Apostles of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church". Their expellation from Greater Moravia very conveniently occurred during a period of war, famine, and division in the First Bulgarian Empire, which were the last straw in convincing Knyaz Boris I of Bulgaria to turn to Christianity and help literacise Bulgaria. Upon the return of the Five Holy Cyril-Methodius Students to their home country Bulgaria, Knyaz Boris welcomed them with open arms, and opened two litererary schools for them: in Preslav and in Ohrid. St Climent would take charge of the school in his home town of Ohrid, where he'd become one of the most prominent Bulgarian writers, and the first Slavic patriarch. St Naum and the other Holy Students would take charge of the Preslav literary school, where they'd be commissioned by Knyaz Boris the creation of the Cyrillic alphabet, named in tribute of their late teacher. Bulgaria would adopt the Old Church Slavonic literary norm, which being based on native dialects was near-identical with Old Bulgarian, hence the synonymous terms, and the little if any change amongst the adoption. Old Church Slavonic would spread across the Balkans and be adopted as each countries literary norm. As each Slavic tongue was slightly different, and would over time diverge into separate Slavic tongues, so was the adopted literary norm of Old Church Slavonic localised and adopted for changes. This is what "Church Slavonic" is - the adopted, localised and evolving variants of Old Church Slavonic, in different countries. As for what happened to Old Church Slavonic... It remained the same and consistant liturgical tongue in churches across the Slavic world. In general? It evolved, as well! As Old Church Slavonic (Old Bulgarian) was based on the Old Bulgarian Slavic dialects of Thessaloniki and adopted by the Bulgarian Empire, well it just evolved over time, into Middle Bulgarian, and eventually into today's Bulgarian and North Macedonian.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 Vasilie, ruler of Romean it that time was a "Saqualiba" and its writen in 4 documents, 2 by Arabs, 1 by Parsians and one by western church. Well, he give order to stop language prohibitions (writen by Chernorizac Hrabar, suspicious document, but..). As far as we know, Arabs distinct Blgars from Saqualibas in 8. century... So, your writing has meaning to ignorants, not to science.
Do we know who lived in Russia before the Slavs? I know the running theory is that the proto-Slavs started west of the Dnieper around western Ukraine/southern Poland, later expanding into modern Russia. Who could have already lived there?
"Baltic" people all the way to moscow (eastern Galindians) and Finno-Ugric-Uralic people in the north. Turkic peoples in the steppes. There were no "Slavs" before 376 when the slavic ethos formed by Alans ruling over and mixing with defeated Goths but mostly with allied "Baltic" Lithuanian-like people. This is when "Proto-Slavic" (actual modern recognizable Slavic) came to be and it lasted until 562. "Proto-Balto-Slavic" is bullshit and basically just "Proto-Baltic". That's why there is no actual "Slavic Genetics". We are genetic Balts, Goths and Alans.
In USA before english-speaking americans lived native americans which didn't speak on English. But modern americans haven't with native americans nothing. In central Russia lived balts. Balts are latvians and lithuanians today but in ancient and early middle ages had three groups - west, dnieper and east. East balts are tribes who became two baltic folks - lithuanian and latvians, dnieper balts lived on central Russia till Volga (dnieper-baltic name of Volga is Ilga which came on Mari language as "Yul" (meadow mari) and "Yil" (mountain mari)). West slavs lived in Prussia, Belorussia and Ukraine. Slavs is a south group of west balts contacted with goths (east germans), sarmats, kimmerians and illyrians in the beginning. Slavs became in I century AD therefore ethno-language group named as balto-slavs
Iranian tribes lived in Russia and Ukraine, the Slavs borrowed some vocabulary from them including names like Bogdan, which is cognate of Persian "Baghdad" and still has the same meaning of "God-given".
Hi, Andy. I very like your content and I recommend you to compare Eastern Armenian to Old Armenian (Grabar) You can use the prayer “Our Father” in this case too. If you’re able to make the video, I can send you some information Thank you
Hmm this Church Slavonic pronunciation sounds weird to me, we sing on that language in Church and say it somehow different. I guess it's probably the accent of the speaker.
This really sounds like Polish to me, I don't know if it's simply because I'm a native Polish speaker or if it's because it has, I don't know, nasal vowels?
I don't know about other Slavic countries, but in Serbia, a lot of Serbian medieval literature written in Church Slavonic has been preserved, and even today in Serbian churches, prayers are read in Church Slavonic.
@@urossaric5435as I know russian and ukrainian orthodox churches(упц, other ukrainian church-ПЦУ(OCU) now prefer to use only ukrainian language) and particularly bulgatian still use church slavonic. Also russsian orthodox church still use 1751 Elizabethan church slavonic Bible as authorised liturgical text.
You can find in Google by searching "Category:Holy Bible by Francysk Skaryna" you can find printed in 1517-1519 Bible in church slavonic. And with "Category:Ostrog Bible" first fully printed in church slavonic Bible 1580-1581 (there djvu and pdf files). Also "Olstromirovo Evangelie" 1056/1057 Gospel, oldest in Rus, also can be downloaded for free on wiki)
что то на прото-славянский не очень похоже, прото-славянский должен быть ближе к другим ветвям индо-европейского языка. а то что в видео это просто славянский, и не уверен что какой то старый.
А почему у более древнего языка есть палатализация, а у более молодого вместо неё более длительные гласные? Это необычно - я думал раньше были полные главные, потом появились краткие (ер и ерь), а потом уже произошла палатализация и гласные исчезли.
As a Slovak I understand proto-Slavic much better than Old Church Slavonic. The main source of difficulty is the presence of nasal vowels. A word that is heavy on nasal vowels is actually easier to understand in its written form. There are some archaic words (obviously) that have since disappeared from daily speech and they only appear in tales and poetry. Knowing a bit of Polish and Russian I can see that these languages have preserved certain elements of proto-Slavic but at the same time they dropped others.
Wow I am Slovenian and I could easily understand proto slavic as well as old church slavonic. Although the latter language has quite a bit more similarities to serbo croatian in my opinion
Sound changes over time are very consistent. So if you take any Slavic language, go back in time to when they were first recorded, you will find that 1. They start looking more and more similar to eachother and 2. Based on the differences of those languages, you can keep doing this process to get what the parent language probably sounded like. We cannot be sure of course, but statistically it is very likely that we are close
@@pe_es_dvojteckaProto-Slavic is special in that we can reconstruct it with a very high degree of accuracy. That is because Slavic languages did not diverge as far apart as many other Indo-European branches
I heard the short u being omitted and the short i softening the preceding consonant in Proto-Slavic. I was expecting it to be pronounced a little more aloud. Can the narrators explain this?
I o to chodziło. OCS mógł być używany rownież w Małopolsce a wtedy wymawianoby go jakoś tak. A u mnie polszczyzna stara i małopolska. Z Panem Bogiem :)
Akcent na pierwszej sylabie jest używany też w "urzędowym" czeskim i w "urzędowym" słowackim. Natomiast akcent na przedostatniej sylabie jest używany nie tylko w "urzędowym" polskim, bo także w "slezštině" (w śląskich dialektach czeskich) i w "vychodniarštine" (wschodnich dialektach słowackich :)
@ Bulgarians created the language after creating the Cyrillic alphabet to translate the Holy Bible. So do not try to downplay this great Bulgarian achievement. 🇧🇬
@oldboyneverrichagain1113 listen. Every post about old Slavic is full of Bulgarians telling all kind of tales and fiction, trying so hard to make the world care about their country. Truth is that Old Slavonic was much more than Old Bulgarian. It was Old West Slavic, Old East Slavic, etc. Bulgarian nationalism and historical facts tend to not mix well together, in my experience. But you already know that.
200 years ago, Count Adam Čantorinski and Serbian Minister Ilija Garašanin created a Serbian-Polish national program, they spoke the same language, they did not need a translator, a Pole and a Serb The program has been written and is called NARCETANIJA, the basis is distancing from Moscow, Vienna and Berlin.... are you familiar with it? Пре 200 година Гроф Адам Чанторински и Српски Министар Илија Гарашанин су направили Српско-пољски народни програм ,причали су истим језиком ,реводилац им није требао ,Пољак и Србин Програм је записан и носи име НАРЧЕТАНИЈЕ , основа је , дистанцирање од Москве,Беча и Берлина .... дал ти је познато
The article *Old Church Slavonic - Britannica* gives a useful summary. To quote one section: “It was used in the 9th century by the missionaries Saints Cyril and Methodius, who were natives of Thessalonica, for preaching to the Moravian Slavs and for translating the Bible into Slavic. Old Church Slavonic was the first Slavic literary language and was written in two alphabets known as Glagolitic and Cyrillic.” The followers of Cyril and Methodius were driven out of Moravia by local prelates (even though the Pope approved of their work) and so the language was established in the Eastern church, developing into local variations known as Church Slavonic. Regarding the nasalized vowels, I noticed that in Polish where they occur one can often find cognates in Latin, both in vocabulary and grammatical inflections. One can also find them in other Indo-European languages, for example take the munber five: Polish - pięć; Greek - πέντε (pénte); Persian - (panj) پنج (similar to Hindi pāṅč). And not to overlook the Latin - quinque, where the initial qu sits in the place of p, in a manner not dissimilar to the p versus q Celtic languages. Oh, and one more thing (as Columbo would say), the name Wenceslas in the popular English Christmas carol reflects an older version of the Czech name Václav.
The Old Church Slavonic was modeled on the Slavic Dialect of Thessaloniki/ Macedonian province of the Eastern Roman Empire. The original Glagolitic was converted in the familiar Cyrillic mostly in the Ohrid Literary Schools led by Saint Clement & Saint Naum of Ohrid (N. Macedonia). That language was promoted to Bulgaria which had
@@DimitarBerberu None of this is true. Please stop spreading North Macedonian propaganda. Boris I was a knyaz, not a khan. This is a well-known fact that can easily be verified, but you deliberately choose to use the wrong title to fit your false narrative. Cyril and Methodius were from Eastern Roman Empire (born in the Greek part of the Empire) and spoke Greek and Latin, the two official languages of the Empire. They created the Glagolitic script, which is the script of the old Bulgarian language and is based on Greek letters. The Cyrillic alphabet was created at the Preslav Literary School (East Bulgaria), which is located 600 kilometers from Skopje, deep into the bulgarian territory. At that time Vardar Banovina was a small region within the First Bulgarian Empire. UNESCO - "...In the Cyrillic and Glagolic alphabets, some letters have variant forms and combinations, some borrowed from Byzantine rules and others from the Proto-Bulgarian script. The invention of the Cyrillic alphabet came as a result of the establishment of Eastern Orthodoxy in Bulgaria during the rule of Knyaz Boris I of Bulgaria. The idea of creating a new alphabet in Preslav, the capital of the First Bulgarian Empire, can probably be attributed to the ruler Simeon the Great, who was the most educated person in Bulgaria at the time and was greatly influenced by Greek culture...".
In all Slavic languages: to be>>> быць , biti , být , byť , да се биде , быть. In the video( Old church slavonic) it is: да бѫдєтъ. That's how it is in Old bulgarian- да бѫдєтъ. In modern Bulgarian- да бъде.
old church Slavonic was based on Macedonias livinga around Salonica at that time ,later macedonian disciple Naum of Ohrid , re-formed it in what we now use , cirilic alfabet
To write about "OLD CHURCH SLAVONIC" is completely wrong. Slavonia (Slavonija in Croatian) is the northeastern region of Croatia, bordering Hungary, Serbia, and Bosnia and Herzegovina and has not even an indirect connection with Old Church Slavic language. Foreigners mix Slavonia, Slovenia (a republic in the northwest of the former Yugoslavia, a member of the EU), Slovakia (a republic in Central Europe, a member of the EU, formerly in union with the Czech Republic) and Slavic languages.. The only correct one is, of course, the "OLD CHURCH SLAVIC" language.
Wrong again! The term SLAVONIC is an adjective from the term SLAVONIJA, which is a region in Croatia, as I explained in previous post. Therefore, CHURCH SLAVONIC is meaningless term in Slavič languages, and the Word SLAVONIC necessarily refers to SLAVONIJA, but in no way to SLAVIC. This is similar to writing that we can speak od CHURCH SLOVAKIAN language, which is obvious nonsense. You can tristo me, I was norm in Slovenia and know the matter.
@@vojtehurbancic6113 Listen, I too don't prefer Old Church Slavonic, as I find Old Bulgarian to be the most accurate term for it (because that is what it was), however the West has called it Old Church Slavonic. Oh and yes, I found you are correct. Well, what can I tell you, yet another example of the ignorant West minimizing our history. Our voices can only reach so far, what does it matter that you or me refuse to call one term x way, regardless, we have to try anyway.
@@PolishSound The last immigration of Serbs was from the region of Vojka .... that region is in Poland today. By the way, Serbs immigrated from Polabia, Saxony, the area of Galicia, Poland, Belarus is also mentioned, and they came from Vojka in the 7th century..... is that mentioned in Polish history?🤔😏
Speaker of Church Slavonic is certainty polish. He has clearly polish accent
I actually thought the speaker was Russian (most AI voices used in museums and TV channels have this voice pitch).
@@Valerio_the_wandering_sprite he pronounces clusters sv and tv as voiceless sf and tf, which is typical for polish phonology
He pronounces the nasal vowels as diphthongs, especially ę as something similar to [eũ]‚ [eɯ̃] or [ẽŋ] like in polish.
@@Zhoystick OCS also have nasal vowels
@@Zhoystick how different are Proto-Slavic nasals from Polish nasals?
The Church Slavonic's speaker has a very unique voice. Hope he applies in voice acting, he'll be successful!
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He acclamations, like the priest at mass.
As a Portuguese speaker, I loved the sound of the nasal vowels, which is something not really common in modern European languages.
Only Polish still has them in the Slavic branch, if I am not mistaken.
European Portuguese has heavy Gaelic influences in terms of pronunciation. S's are all pronounced as Sh or Ch and all E's at the end of words are silent. Reminds me of the phrase Mo Cusle.
Poland also has a regional (another Lechitic) language that has them as well - Kashubian. Plus I've read somewhere on Wikipedia that one dialect of Slovene has retained nasal vowels (at least partially).
@augustobarbosab.773 You are right. I am Polish and I 100% approve he is Polish
yes, another european languge i know uses nasals is french
@@Dionysus784 yes but french isn't slavic.
As a native Rusyn speaker, this was interesting easy to understand!
Omg same like wow I could read the prayer while listening wow
I'm learning Rusyn too and it's amazing. And it's similar to the Serbian language.
@@denistheeffectmaker2008 I’m a nurse in Australia, we have a lot of Serbs and Croat nurses here, it’s funny we can almost have entire conversations in a pan-Slavic dialect 😅 few things get lost in translation but uncanny how much we understand of each other
And you're learning Rusyn?
@@denistheeffectmaker2008 no. I am Rusyn, native speak Born in Uzhhorod
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*_∆. Proto-Slavic: Proto-Slavic is the common ancestor language of Slavic languages and is considered to be the oldest phase of Slavic languages. There is no literature written directly in Proto-Slavic, but linguists have reconstructed its structure and vocabulary from Old and Modern Slavic languages. This language is believed to have developed between the 5th and 9th centuries_*
*_∆∆. Old Slavonic: Old Slavonic was the first documented and written form of Slavic languages. Initially, the Glagolitic alphabet was used to write Old Slavonic, developed by the missionary brothers Cyril and Methodius. Later, the Cyrillic alphabet was introduced and is still used in many Slavic languages_*
*_∆∆∆. Old Clerical Slavonic: Old Clerical Slavonic, also known as Church Slavonic, was a specific variant of Old Slavonic used for religious and liturgical purposes. It was primarily used by the Slavic Orthodox Church and is still used by some Slavic religious denominations_*
*_∆∆∆∆. Interslavic: Interslavic is an artificial language designed for the purposes of international communication among Slavs. It was developed around 2006 and aims to facilitate communication between different Slavic peoples. Uses a combination of Slavic language features to maximize mutual comprehensibility_*
*_∆∆∆∆∆. Slovio: Slovio is another artificial language created to unify Slavic languages. It was developed in the mid-1990s based on similarities between Slavic languages. However, it received less recognition and use than the Interslavic_*
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To be honest, I was expecting such a presentation of Proto-Slavic as you did with the previous pro-languages, but it was also quite interesting, thanks for the video.
The fact that Proto-Slavic was still spoken during Middle Ages, not during Bronze Age or something, is still bizarre to me to this day. Balto-Slavic languages, to me are also really conservative compared to most other Indo-European languages. It's also fascinating that these languages share more features with Sanskrit and Persian than they do with English and French, for example. I guess it's because some dialects that gave birth to Indo-Iranian and Balto-Slavic languages (satem languages) were spoken somewhere near the Black Sea before spread out further.
Still, Proto-Slavic doesn't fully develop satemization (es. Russian корова and кровь, cfr. Latin cornus and cruor) and shares isoglosses with Germanic languages (-m ending in dative and instrumental).
Satem languages don't have common ancestor, bro. Satemization is a process that was happening in different groups independently.
@@TheStraightEdger Thanks! Haha, I was just wondering why, but I think it's interesting, almost like it's an areal feature. Guess it's a convergent evolution?
@@Valerio_the_wandering_sprite the krov' part came from proto indo european krewh (with a normal k) whereas the satemization only occurs on palatalized k. But i agree. the korova part is supposely a palatalized k and by that logic supposed to turn into s or sh. Same thing with moloko which is still disputed as one said that those types of nouns with an initial palatalized k that turned into normal k instead of s or sh is either a borrowing from germanic languages or as you said, the satemization didn't occur completely. Still disputed.
Proto-Slavic is a completely reconstructed language that is largely based on Old Church Slavonic and on records of other old Slavic languages like is old Russian, old Czech or old Bulgarian, but still we will never know exactly how it sounded, as there are no records. But this version of the speech seems a bit too soft to me, the original probably sounded more harsh according to linguists. It can also be taken into account that this is late Proto-Slavic roughly from the 7th - 8th century from which Old Church Slavonic gradually arose. Proto-Slavic from the 4th or 3rd century would probably sound quite different.
You have a point. The only thing we can be sure of is that the original language during the Bronze -Iron - Middle ages was sounded completely different.
But definitely it existed back.
As for the late phase it is true the latest stage is not that different from the next stages, linguists also found that during the 2nd some important sounds didn't develop yet.
Funnilly enough, Proto-Slavic sounds closer to Slovenian to me ... And more intellegible :D
That's funny, while I watched Andy's videos about comparison of Germanic/Italic languages I wondering "did those languages understandable to modern German/Italian speakers? All of those different grammatic constructions, different synonimcal words and so on"
But for Slavic languages as a Russian I can say proto-Slavic is definitely understandable at 70-80%. It's impressive, how actually young Slavic languages are and how we still didn't lost our mutually intelligible.
Right. This is because Proto-Slavic is only about 1200 years old. I think a better comparison to other proto Indo-European language families would be to try to understand Proto Balto-Slavic, which dates to about 600 BC.
@@frankgrimeson yeah, that would be more interesting
So there will be a proto-balto slavic video?
As a Serbian, the old church slavonic sounded just like what we hear in church today.
Same language! The Slavonic text in the video is very poor, however. I have yet to see any document that uses such strange grammar as 《иѥ》or using ꙗ in the middle of words.
@@aleksandratesanovic9975 Because it’s just Old Bulgarian
Very similar to Croatian, numbers, words, stories.
Oče naš,
koji jesi na nebesima,
sveti se ime Tvoje,
dođi kraljevstvo Tvoje,
budi volja Tvoja,
kako na nebu, tako i na zemlji.
Kruh naš svagdanji daj nam danas,
i otpusti nam duge naše,
kako i mi otpuštamo dužnicima našim,
i ne uvedi nas u napast,
nego izbavi nas od Zla.
Jer tvoje je kraljevstvo i slava i moć u vjekove.
Amen.
This is why I believe there was a Germano-Balto-Slavic branch in the history of Indo European though it’s more than just nasal vowels, that was just a common feature (also things like -m and -sk being common in grammatical forms).
So Germanic branching off first, then Slavic, then Baltic remaining the most conservative. Although Polish has conserved the nasal vowels you don’t really hear in Baltic or other Slavic languages today, and minor dialects like Elfdalian in Sweden also having the nasal old Norse vowels as well.
As a Russian speaker studying German and English, I can say I noticed much more similarities in vocabulary and grammatical structure between Germanic and Slavic branches, than between Romance and Slavic, that's true.
Informative as always.
I noticed Proto-Slavic was more nasal like in sound. Reminded me of Portuguese.
it's very much like Polish, nasality of both languages is similar to Polish
@@swordofcaine yes
@@swordofcaineдля меня это чешский
Polish is the only Slavic language in which nasals remain, as they were in Proto-Slavic.@@swordofcaine
@@CVery45Czech has no nasals.
Nice video. It looks at times that the differences are just because of different choice of words/expressions, e.g. v veki vekom' / viecngda. Really, differences between English dialects can get much deeper than the differences shown here.
As russian-speaking I understand all
because it's an old bulgarian language and moscowites speak a disalect of old bulgarian
@@nameless3191 Ok Tatar
@@nameless3191помолчи, за умного сойдешь
@@CVery45 shame on you, imagine speaking a language and having no clue about its source
@@nameless3191 This dialect was never spoken, it was used only in church services. However, the roots with East Slavic words are the same.
As a korean who can speak russian language, it sounds polish+slovakian
Ojcze nasz żyjesz w niebie
Imię twoje będzie święte
Królestwo twoje przyjdzie
Wole twoje działają
Na ziemi tak w niebiosach
Daj nam dzienny
Chleb powszedni nasz
I dopuść długi nasze jako i
My odpuszczamy dłużnikom naszym
I nie wiedz nas w grzech
Nas zbaw od czorta (lol)
Bo twoje jest królestwo
I potęga I sława na wieczność
(Tak będzie)
I tried to write the Protoslavic version with Polish words while keeping syntax.
I translated into modern Russian (in latin just for comparison):
Otec nash, zhivuśij na nebesah
Svjatitsja imja Tvojё
Pridёt Carstvije Tvojё
Budet volja Tvoja
Kak na nebe tak i na zemle
Hleb nash nasuśnyj
Daj nam na sej den'
I prosti nam dolgi nashi,
Kak i my prośajem dolzhnikam nashim
I ne vvedi nas v grehi,
No izbav' nas ot lukavogo(chёrta).
Ibo Tvojё jest' Carstvo
I sila i slava vo veki.
Tak budet.
@@TheStraightEdger I realize that modern Polish version of Lords Pray contains elements of Proto-Slavic and Church Slavonic
Modern version:
Ojcze nasz, któryś jest w niebie
Święć się imię Twoje
Przyjdź królestwo Twoje
Bądź wola Twoja
Jako w niebie tak i na ziemi
Chleba naszego powszedniego
Daj nam dzisiaj
I odpuść nam nasze winy
Jako i my odpuszczamy naszym winowajcom
I nie wódź nas na pokuszenie
Ale nas zbaw ode złego
Bo twoje jest Królestwo
Potęga i chwała na wieki
Amen.
оче наш живëшь в небе
имя твоë пуще света
королевство твоë пришедше
воля твою живая
на земле и в небесах
дай нам денно хлеб повседневный наш
и допущ длуги
дальше надоело.
Отьчє нашь ижє ѥси на нєбєсѣхъ да свѧтитъ сѧ имѧ твоѥ да придєтъ цѣсар҄ьствиѥ твоѥ да бѫдетъ волꙗ твоꙗ ꙗко на нєбєси и на ꙁємл҄и хлѣбъ нашь насѫщьнънъіи и отъпоусти намъ длъгъі нашѧ ꙗко и мъі отъпоущаѥмъ длъжьникомъ нашимъ и нє въвєди насъ въ искоушєниѥ нъ иꙁбави нъі оть нєприꙗꙁни ꙗко твоѥ ѥстъ цѣсар҄ьствиѥ и сила и слава въ вѣкомъ аминь
Could you please tell us more about Slavic language? ( numbers, vocabulary and story ). For me, as Russian native speaker it would be so interesting!:)
Један=1
Два=2
Три=3
Четири=4
Пет=5
Шест=6
Седам=7
Осам=8
Девет=9
Десет=10
I understand both of them pretty well. Greetings from 🇷🇺🪆
as south slavic speaker protoslavic gives me polish vibes and old church s more like south slavic vibes
Proto-Slavic haven't read the textbefore the recording.
1:13 It's wrong spell "оу" like "ou", because оу is the letter Ꙋ (it's called uk, a digraph of early Cyrillic alphabet). It has to be spelled just like "u"
As a Serbian and Orthodox Christian and a daughter of a priest who's used to hearing Church Slavonic, our pronunciation of Church Slavonic is quite different than in this video. We don't use nasal vowels, we read ѧ as "ya" (same as ꙗ), ѫ like "oo" in "book", щ as "shch", ѣ as "ye" and ъ can be read as different vowels, or not read at all. So Lords prayer sounds like this (it's not 100% the same as in this video)
Отче наш, иже јеси на небесјех. Да свјатит сја имја Твоје, да придет царствије Твоје, да будет воља Твоја, јако на небеси и на земљи. Хљеб наш насушчни дажд нам днес, и остави нам долги нашја, јако же и ми остављајем должником нашим. И не воведи нас во искушеније, но избави нас от лукаваго. Амин.
Отче наш, сущий на Небесах! Да святится имя Твое, да приидет царствие Твое, на земле как и на Небесах. Хлеб насущный дай нам на сей день, и прости грехи наши как и мы прощаем должникам нашим и не введи в искушение, но избавь от лукавого. Ибо Твоя сила и слава во веки веков. Аминь
I understood everything perfectly without the need for translation, wow. Native russian speaker here
Do a comparison of ancient Latin with the other ancient Italic languages Friulian, Oscan, and Umbrian.
Which came first? Proto Slavic?
Obviously
Bulgarian most likely derived directly from Proto-Slavic, given the vowel reduction and nasalization
The Old Church Slavonic is also called Old Bulgarian, because it was declared as the official language in 893, and remained so durning the first and second bulgarian empires.
Example to check how different nations looked at language name is in book(s) of lows from Sveti Sava, Krmchia. Book of lows rewriten for Blgaria change word "Serbski" to "Slovenski". Same for Russia.
Let me add a bit more information:
Old Church Slavonic is the first Slavic literary norm, meant for use as a literary norm for all Slavs. It was created by Saints Cyril and Methodius, who set themselves a mission to baptise: literaricise, and rebuild positive relations between the Slavs. Although Byzantine, their mother was likely Slavic and they grew up in a quite Slavic popular area of Byzantium, in Thessaloniki. Perhaps because of this, they has positive attitudes towards the Slavic and were well versed.
Saints Cyril and Methodius standardised the Slavic language based on the Bulgarian/Macedonian Slavic dialects of Thessaloniki, which besides being their hometown and therefore the intuitive choice, it also marked a common tongue with one of the two largest Slavic states of the time: the Bulgarian Empire. Because of standardising the Bulgarian/Macedonian Slavic dialects, letting for easy adoption by the Bulgarian state of Old Church Slavonic with little to no change, the term "Old Bulgarian" is often used synonymously with "Old Church Slavonic", as the two were identical.
Keep in mind, this was all before the divergence of Slavic into different languages, and at this point the Slavic tongues merely developed more-or-less mutually intelligible accents and dialects. This is why although the Old Church Slavonic was identical with Old Bulgarian, as it was standardised based on the Saints' hometown Bulgarian/Macedonian dialects, it was essentially understandable by all Slavs, it will just feel a bit "different" and may need slight changes for adoption, a bit like being American and watching an Australian show.
Old Church Slavonic was standardised for the mission to Greater Moravia, and the Glagolitic alphabet was created with it.
Saints Cyril and Methodius took on the mission along with several students of theirs. The conversion and literisation of Greater Moravia was successful at first, until a change in rulership after the deaths of the saints, where a lot of their holy and academic work was undone, and their students were expelled from Greater Moravia.
The five most famous of these Students were the Bulgarian Holy five: St Climent of Ohrid, St Naum, St Sava, St Angelerius, and St Gorazd. These five students along with Saints Cyril and Methodius are collectively known as the Sedmočislenici (Свети Седмочисленици, "Holy Seven"), or the more common names in English: "Seven Slavic Saints" and "Seven Apostles of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church".
Their expellation from Greater Moravia very conveniently occurred during a period of war, famine, and division in the First Bulgarian Empire, which were the last straw in convincing Knyaz Boris I of Bulgaria to turn to Christianity and help literacise Bulgaria.
Upon the return of the Five Holy Cyril-Methodius Students to their home country Bulgaria, Knyaz Boris welcomed them with open arms, and opened two litererary schools for them: in Preslav and in Ohrid.
St Climent would take charge of the school in his home town of Ohrid, where he'd become one of the most prominent Bulgarian writers, and the first Slavic patriarch. St Naum and the other Holy Students would take charge of the Preslav literary school, where they'd be commissioned by Knyaz Boris the creation of the Cyrillic alphabet, named in tribute of their late teacher.
Bulgaria would adopt the Old Church Slavonic literary norm, which being based on native dialects was near-identical with Old Bulgarian, hence the synonymous terms, and the little if any change amongst the adoption.
Old Church Slavonic would spread across the Balkans and be adopted as each countries literary norm.
As each Slavic tongue was slightly different, and would over time diverge into separate Slavic tongues, so was the adopted literary norm of Old Church Slavonic localised and adopted for changes. This is what "Church Slavonic" is - the adopted, localised and evolving variants of Old Church Slavonic, in different countries.
As for what happened to Old Church Slavonic... It remained the same and consistant liturgical tongue in churches across the Slavic world. In general? It evolved, as well! As Old Church Slavonic (Old Bulgarian) was based on the Old Bulgarian Slavic dialects of Thessaloniki and adopted by the Bulgarian Empire, well it just evolved over time, into Middle Bulgarian, and eventually into today's Bulgarian and North Macedonian.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 Vasilie, ruler of Romean it that time was a "Saqualiba" and its writen in 4 documents, 2 by Arabs, 1 by Parsians and one by western church. Well, he give order to stop language prohibitions (writen by Chernorizac Hrabar, suspicious document, but..). As far as we know, Arabs distinct Blgars from Saqualibas in 8. century... So, your writing has meaning to ignorants, not to science.
@@СашаПетровић-н6хOld Church Slavonic was recognized by Romanos and Emanuel Komnenos Porfigonent as Bulgarian Script this is trurh
@@amirdervisevic1487 you claim that "scrypt" that he called Voulgarian is in fact scrypt of olds, Saqualibas/Sclavoi? Interesting.
Do we know who lived in Russia before the Slavs? I know the running theory is that the proto-Slavs started west of the Dnieper around western Ukraine/southern Poland, later expanding into modern Russia. Who could have already lived there?
I think Uralic peoples have already reached the area before the Slavs. And maybe some Germanic peoples.
Baltic and Finno-Ugric tribes mainly, iirc.
"Baltic" people all the way to moscow (eastern Galindians) and Finno-Ugric-Uralic people in the north.
Turkic peoples in the steppes.
There were no "Slavs" before 376 when the slavic ethos formed by Alans ruling over and mixing with defeated Goths but mostly with allied "Baltic" Lithuanian-like people.
This is when "Proto-Slavic" (actual modern recognizable Slavic) came to be and it lasted until 562.
"Proto-Balto-Slavic" is bullshit and basically just "Proto-Baltic".
That's why there is no actual "Slavic Genetics".
We are genetic Balts, Goths and Alans.
In USA before english-speaking americans lived native americans which didn't speak on English. But modern americans haven't with native americans nothing. In central Russia lived balts. Balts are latvians and lithuanians today but in ancient and early middle ages had three groups - west, dnieper and east. East balts are tribes who became two baltic folks - lithuanian and latvians, dnieper balts lived on central Russia till Volga (dnieper-baltic name of Volga is Ilga which came on Mari language as "Yul" (meadow mari) and "Yil" (mountain mari)). West slavs lived in Prussia, Belorussia and Ukraine. Slavs is a south group of west balts contacted with goths (east germans), sarmats, kimmerians and illyrians in the beginning. Slavs became in I century AD therefore ethno-language group named as balto-slavs
Iranian tribes lived in Russia and Ukraine, the Slavs borrowed some vocabulary from them including names like Bogdan, which is cognate of Persian "Baghdad" and still has the same meaning of "God-given".
Nice video 😍😍💪
Was a bare locative noun really used like that without a preposition in Proto-Slavic? How could we know?
Hi, Andy. I very like your content and I recommend you to compare Eastern Armenian to Old Armenian (Grabar) You can use the prayer “Our Father” in this case too. If you’re able to make the video, I can send you some information
Thank you
Can you help me with it? Here's my email: otipeps24@gmail.com
@@ilovelanguages0124Yes I can, do you need transcript?
@@noffill_zangezurian_edits yes please. Audio, Transcript and Romanization.
Hmm this Church Slavonic pronunciation sounds weird to me, we sing on that language in Church and say it somehow different. I guess it's probably the accent of the speaker.
As a Serb - both easy to comprehend - especially the Old Church Slavonic one, it‘s almost identic to standard Serbian.
Try to post a video of two slavic languages. Russian & Croatian languages.
This really sounds like Polish to me, I don't know if it's simply because I'm a native Polish speaker or if it's because it has, I don't know, nasal vowels?
Very interesting
Are there any books that are written in old church slavonic?
I don't know about other Slavic countries, but in Serbia, a lot of Serbian medieval literature written in Church Slavonic has been preserved, and even today in Serbian churches, prayers are read in Church Slavonic.
@@urossaric5435as I know russian and ukrainian orthodox churches(упц, other ukrainian church-ПЦУ(OCU) now prefer to use only ukrainian language) and particularly bulgatian still use church slavonic. Also russsian orthodox church still use 1751 Elizabethan church slavonic Bible as authorised liturgical text.
You can find in Google by searching "Category:Holy Bible by Francysk Skaryna" you can find printed in 1517-1519 Bible in church slavonic. And with "Category:Ostrog Bible" first fully printed in church slavonic Bible 1580-1581 (there djvu and pdf files). Also "Olstromirovo Evangelie" 1056/1057 Gospel, oldest in Rus, also can be downloaded for free on wiki)
Church Slavonic speaker sounds amazing, but should be more correct
что то на прото-славянский не очень похоже, прото-славянский должен быть ближе к другим ветвям индо-европейского языка. а то что в видео это просто славянский, и не уверен что какой то старый.
Есть и реконструкция пра балто-славянского, больше похожего на прото индо европейский, но нет уверенности, что такой язык вообще существовал
в видео более поздняя версия праславянского
you have to make a detailed video about orkhon & uighur turkic
А почему у более древнего языка есть палатализация, а у более молодого вместо неё более длительные гласные?
Это необычно - я думал раньше были полные главные, потом появились краткие (ер и ерь), а потом уже произошла палатализация и гласные исчезли.
As a Slovak I understand proto-Slavic much better than Old Church Slavonic. The main source of difficulty is the presence of nasal vowels. A word that is heavy on nasal vowels is actually easier to understand in its written form. There are some archaic words (obviously) that have since disappeared from daily speech and they only appear in tales and poetry. Knowing a bit of Polish and Russian I can see that these languages have preserved certain elements of proto-Slavic but at the same time they dropped others.
It is because Old Chirch Slavonic is clear old bulgarian.
Wow I am Slovenian and I could easily understand proto slavic as well as old church slavonic. Although the latter language has quite a bit more similarities to serbo croatian in my opinion
This version of Church Slavonic is very different from the one I am used to in Russia. Is it from Serbian church?
Probably from Bulgarian, because the words are 90% Bulgarian
Nice nice nice
one question; how did you recreate the Proto-Slavic language?
they went back in time asked joe's mom
Sound changes over time are very consistent. So if you take any Slavic language, go back in time to when they were first recorded, you will find that 1. They start looking more and more similar to eachother and 2. Based on the differences of those languages, you can keep doing this process to get what the parent language probably sounded like. We cannot be sure of course, but statistically it is very likely that we are close
It's only reconstruction. No one really knows what the language sounded like
@@pe_es_dvojteckaProto-Slavic is special in that we can reconstruct it with a very high degree of accuracy. That is because Slavic languages did not diverge as far apart as many other Indo-European branches
I heard the short u being omitted and the short i softening the preceding consonant in Proto-Slavic. I was expecting it to be pronounced a little more aloud. Can the narrators explain this?
Thanks
a Polish speaker of old church slavic
Oczywiście. Pozdrawiam serdecznie. i zapraszam do mnie
OCS sounds like góralska gwara 😍😍 (inicial accent)
I o to chodziło. OCS mógł być używany rownież w Małopolsce a wtedy wymawianoby go jakoś tak. A u mnie polszczyzna stara i małopolska. Z Panem Bogiem :)
Akcent na pierwszej sylabie jest używany też w "urzędowym" czeskim i w "urzędowym" słowackim. Natomiast akcent na przedostatniej sylabie jest używany nie tylko w "urzędowym" polskim, bo także w "slezštině" (w śląskich dialektach czeskich) i w "vychodniarštine" (wschodnich dialektach słowackich :)
why does the guy on the top has an anime protagonist haircut.
Lol
Both are 100% intelligible to a modern Russian speaker
It’s not called old church slavonic, it’s called Old Bulgarian
no. Only Bulgarians call it like that, because they can't accept the fact that it was common Slavonic, not Bulgarian.
@ Bulgarians created the language after creating the Cyrillic alphabet to translate the Holy Bible. So do not try to downplay this great Bulgarian achievement. 🇧🇬
@oldboyneverrichagain1113 listen. Every post about old Slavic is full of Bulgarians telling all kind of tales and fiction, trying so hard to make the world care about their country.
Truth is that Old Slavonic was much more than Old Bulgarian. It was Old West Slavic, Old East Slavic, etc.
Bulgarian nationalism and historical facts tend to not mix well together, in my experience. But you already know that.
Old Chuch Slavonic sounds like Bulgarian.
Wow, Polish is very similar, sounding to original Slavonic.
200 years ago, Count Adam Čantorinski and Serbian Minister Ilija Garašanin created a Serbian-Polish national program, they spoke the same language, they did not need a translator, a Pole and a Serb
The program has been written and is called NARCETANIJA, the basis is distancing from Moscow, Vienna and Berlin.... are you familiar with it?
Пре 200 година Гроф Адам Чанторински и Српски Министар Илија Гарашанин су направили Српско-пољски народни програм ,причали су истим језиком ,реводилац им није требао ,Пољак и Србин
Програм је записан и носи име НАРЧЕТАНИЈЕ , основа је , дистанцирање од Москве,Беча и Берлина .... дал ти је познато
The article *Old Church Slavonic - Britannica* gives a useful summary. To quote one section:
“It was used in the 9th century by the missionaries Saints Cyril and Methodius, who were natives of Thessalonica, for preaching to the Moravian Slavs and for translating the Bible into Slavic. Old Church Slavonic was the first Slavic literary language and was written in two alphabets known as Glagolitic and Cyrillic.”
The followers of Cyril and Methodius were driven out of Moravia by local prelates (even though the Pope approved of their work) and so the language was established in the Eastern church, developing into local variations known as Church Slavonic.
Regarding the nasalized vowels, I noticed that in Polish where they occur one can often find cognates in Latin, both in vocabulary and grammatical inflections. One can also find them in other Indo-European languages, for example take the munber five:
Polish - pięć; Greek - πέντε (pénte); Persian - (panj) پنج (similar to Hindi pāṅč). And not to overlook the Latin - quinque, where the initial qu sits in the place of p, in a manner not dissimilar to the p versus q Celtic languages.
Oh, and one more thing (as Columbo would say), the name Wenceslas in the popular English Christmas carol reflects an older version of the Czech name Václav.
I understand 99,9%, my mother-tongue is Bosnian.
Isn't church Slavonic the same as Bulgarian?
The Old Church Slavonic was modeled on the Slavic Dialect of Thessaloniki/ Macedonian province of the Eastern Roman Empire. The original Glagolitic was converted in the familiar Cyrillic mostly in the Ohrid Literary Schools led by Saint Clement & Saint Naum of Ohrid (N. Macedonia).
That language was promoted to Bulgaria which had
@@DimitarBerberu None of this is true. Please stop spreading North Macedonian propaganda. Boris I was a knyaz, not a khan. This is a well-known fact that can easily be verified, but you deliberately choose to use the wrong title to fit your false narrative.
Cyril and Methodius were from Eastern Roman Empire (born in the Greek part of the Empire) and spoke Greek and Latin, the two official languages of the Empire. They created the Glagolitic script, which is the script of the old Bulgarian language and is based on Greek letters. The Cyrillic alphabet was created at the Preslav Literary School (East Bulgaria), which is located 600 kilometers from Skopje, deep into the bulgarian territory.
At that time Vardar Banovina was a small region within the First Bulgarian Empire.
UNESCO - "...In the Cyrillic and Glagolic alphabets, some letters have variant forms and combinations, some borrowed from Byzantine rules and others from the Proto-Bulgarian script. The invention of the Cyrillic alphabet came as a result of the establishment of Eastern Orthodoxy in Bulgaria during the rule of Knyaz Boris I of Bulgaria. The idea of creating a new alphabet in Preslav, the capital of the First Bulgarian Empire, can probably be attributed to the ruler Simeon the Great, who was the most educated person in Bulgaria at the time and was greatly influenced by Greek culture...".
In all Slavic languages: to be>>> быць , biti , být , byť , да се биде , быть.
In the video( Old church slavonic) it is: да бѫдєтъ. That's how it is in Old bulgarian- да бѫдєтъ.
In modern Bulgarian- да бъде.
I wait other videos with compare proto-slavic with modern slavic languages
Thats so ez to understand it fells like its on my languege
Im Serbian i understand every word
old church Slavonic was based on Macedonias livinga around Salonica at that time ,later macedonian disciple Naum of Ohrid , re-formed it in what we now use , cirilic alfabet
Bulgarians and Serbs living around Salonica*
It’s called Old Bulgarian! 🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬
To write about "OLD CHURCH SLAVONIC" is completely wrong. Slavonia (Slavonija in Croatian) is the northeastern region of Croatia, bordering Hungary, Serbia, and Bosnia and Herzegovina and has not even an indirect connection with Old Church Slavic language. Foreigners mix Slavonia, Slovenia (a republic in the northwest of the former Yugoslavia, a member of the EU), Slovakia (a republic in Central Europe, a member of the EU, formerly in union with the Czech Republic) and Slavic languages..
The only correct one is, of course, the "OLD CHURCH SLAVIC" language.
The word Slavonic in "Church Slavonic" doesn't necessarily mean Slavonia in Croatia, it is just the term used for it.
Wrong again! The term SLAVONIC is an adjective from the term SLAVONIJA, which is a region in Croatia, as I explained in previous post. Therefore, CHURCH SLAVONIC is meaningless term in Slavič languages, and the Word SLAVONIC necessarily refers to SLAVONIJA, but in no way to SLAVIC. This is similar to writing that we can speak od CHURCH SLOVAKIAN language, which is obvious nonsense. You can tristo me, I was norm in Slovenia and know the matter.
Please errata corrige, because my phone spelling program pushes slovene words.
@@vojtehurbancic6113 Listen, I too don't prefer Old Church Slavonic, as I find Old Bulgarian to be the most accurate term for it (because that is what it was), however the West has called it Old Church Slavonic.
Oh and yes, I found you are correct. Well, what can I tell you, yet another example of the ignorant West minimizing our history.
Our voices can only reach so far, what does it matter that you or me refuse to call one term x way, regardless, we have to try anyway.
@@its_dey_mate 👍
Iitile deffrance dei old England language
old slavic sounds persian
Seriously? More on mi xanneł. Slava! Z Bogiem!
Persian and Proto-Slavic are Indo-European so the more back you go , the more similar they sound
Церковнославянский звучит по-другому
its od not Churchslavonic. It is OLD Church Slavonic. Hipotetical West Slavic pronunciation from parochias Cracow and other in Lesser Poland.
@@PolishSound The last immigration of Serbs was from the region of Vojka .... that region is in Poland today. By the way, Serbs immigrated from Polabia, Saxony, the area of Galicia, Poland, Belarus is also mentioned, and they came from Vojka in the 7th century..... is that mentioned in Polish history?🤔😏
As polish speaker i understand all but proto slavic better
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do spanish majorcian now
@@HomeworkBan5624 ok
@@HomeworkBan5624 ok
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Это похоже на польский.
So old church Slavonic is basically Bulgarian xD
First slavs were "invited" in 1601 AD by Mavro Orbini... And OLD CHURCH SLAVONIC is clear old bulgarian language from 9th century.
Bulgarians are not slavs , rather slavinized asian tribes under the Hun Asparuh
@@vojomihajloski This is the dumbest thing I've read recently.
I highly doubt native slavs were blond though
They were.
Rumen Radev
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A President of Bulgaria
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as a filipinꙮ, i can say that this was cꙮꙮl
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