teufelskerl001 Glad you liked it mate and glad it helped. Yes, very awkward to do with my arms having to stretch round the camera but that was the best angle to shoot the video to give a good view of face plate and levers.... I did nearly manage to knock vice over a couple of times as you notice vice wobble around now and again LOL!!!! It was fun to do. Thanks again ;o))))
This is one of my Favourite Videos you've done yet Rich. I love how it's explained and how you can see what you're doing exactly. Keep up the great work. Nick.
It would have be useful if you explained how to know youre in a false gate and how to avoid them. Im struggling to pick a lever padlock open when i can pick it closed in seconds so I assume im hitting false gates. Any tips for not getting stuck or knowing that your stuck? If a lever has completely ceased id assume it means your in the true gate or the false gate?
You do not know you are in a false gate until you get in one... The bold moves back a bit and locks up, meaning re-set and start again. You have to try and remember which lever had the false gate and where it was (High or Low).. Then pick accordingly on others. Picking lever locks is just lick pin tumblers, meaning you are looking for levers that bind first. Yes, correct in saying if seized... as you are in a false gate... as said above, remember which seized... re-set and go again. Normally when I pick these I first treat levers lick security pins and tickle through the stack... On the odd ones, I apply tension and just throw levers up to try and see what is happening and adjust tension etc.
This is a very clearly explained tutorial which is even better than the locksmithing course I attended in Hong Kong. Please inform me where can I buy the ICL curtained mortise lever lock pick as I saw one unhappy customer complaining to Bosnianbill that his ICL ordered from a UK vendor did not match with the photo depicted. Excellent Job! Thanks.
Thank you so much for your kind words Roland regarding my video. It really means a lot when reading great comments such as yours Sir. I did not purchase my ICL pick brand new, I purchased them used and love them to bits. There is a slight newer model made that may have been the ones in the complaint to Bill. Not Bills problem regarding picks though as he has nothing to do with the company. Not sure if I saw the comment to Bill and not sure where the customer purchased them from, but would like to know? Thanks again, Rich (waddac2)
I once lost my keys to an ERA Fortress, BS3621 5 lever lock. The locksmith was unable to pick it. He took over 3 hours to drill (& eventually) destroy the lock to gain access. Needless to say I fitted another!
ERA Fortress can be a pain to pick as very low levers, so pick wires have issues getting under the low levers. Many locksmiths will not want to tackle them and prefer to drill. WOW!!!!! Took him 3 hours, bet he charged a fortune. Most locksmiths will carry drill templates to let them know where to drill to save time. Here is a video of me picking an ERA Fortress some time ago. th-cam.com/video/1_p7EEz0i1Q/w-d-xo.html
@@waddac2 £120 which was most reasonable. I didn't see a template and he tried 2 drill points... I was just grateful to get in! In fairness, my heart went out to him... I certainly felt the lock was a good one to refit! Got a couple of extra keys cut when I purchased the new Fortress.
@@1658iain Well, for three hours work £120 was not too bad. Yes you did the right thing with putting another fortress on. I hate UPVC doors and all mine are good solid wood and I too use 5 lever BS Curtained mortice locks as potential thieves will look and walk away. Also security wise, my fences are low so passers by can see my doors. Too many people use high fences for privacy, but if watched by thieves when occupants leave the house on certain days for shopping etc... Thief knows how long they will be, scale the fence and are hidden from public eye and, many modern doors use Euro cylinders... I still as say, like 5 levers.
@@waddac2 Avocet ABS dimple on the main door! Trouble is, when your leave the key in the back of the Euro cylinder, you can't use the spare to open it as it won't go in! I've seen the Avocet picked on a couple of TH-cam vids (the Lock Picking Lawyer was very good!) but I still reckon I have the best combination!
@@1658iain You certainly do have the perfect combination if using an ERA Fortress and also Avocet ABS. Yes, when leaving a key in one side of of a Door and try to use key on other side, you will have no joy 90% on opening the door. Many people have left a key in a door in side the house and when returning cannot get back in through that door.
I had always wondered what mortice/curtain locks were. What keeps you from using a pick that is wider at the end, so it manipulates all of the gates at the same time? Are the gates somehow shaped differently? I suppose it would help if I could see the key. Thanks for the great vid and taking the time to build that for us.
You can pick these bolt side or lever side pending what angle they are situated in a door (Right or Left). You also need to use another pick wire pending what side the lock is in the door.
+waddac2 , Im an amateur (I work at DIY)- I have a friend who has a stuck 3 lever mortice, Legge. Havent been down yet but have practiced on 3 old ones I have here. I modified an old key (ground a flat on the shaft and took off the material so there is just a pin sticking up to engage the v in the bolt, and then Im using a pick wire to flip the levers up - it works well. But I wondered how I would do it if I could only access the reverse side of the lock.- because the key is then in the way of the pick wire. I can get to the inside of the door but not the outside - because theres a walled garden with a locked gate. Thanks for getting back to me - videos are v helpful
+Ian Straub Good thinking regarding using the key to make it into a tensioner. This does work well with 5 lever curtained mortice locks as it assist in turning the curtain to get to levers by using a pick wire to slide into a grove down the key which can be made with a file. However I see your problem with a 3 lever lock and adapted key. Instead of using the key to tension it use a wire, made from same wire you used to lift the levers. Here is a video I did a while back that may help. th-cam.com/video/cero7vrqm6s/w-d-xo.html
+waddac2 OK thanks - I just remembered that i saw that video - will keep it in mind. Turns out the lady's lock was 5 lever Legge, with curtain and thankfully i was able to try the original key from the outside - after some fence climbing - and it worked. I replaced it - Im a bit relieved because I have the old 5 lever to play with and it looks daunting. Thanks for your help
Thanks Scott buddy. As you can see I did the video for Texas Jim. To be honest it was harder to pick it with me seeing the levers as was too busy looking through the plate.
@@bertiepimplebum5633 You are more than welcome Bertie. Sorry for any typing errors in reply as in Portugal on vacation and using a chrome book laptop I cannot get use too.
Cheers Stephen mate, glad you liked the video..... Yes, pop along and join the forum. Not only do we pick locks and offer advice, we also have lots of fun along the way ;o))))
can i ask how did you get into locksmithing?? ive thought about it for the last year or 2. its somet i defo wanna do. only thing is i havent got 1000 to 1500 to do the courses. any advice greatly appreciated. cheers
+bingley biker Hi Bud, I am not a lock smith and just a hobby picker. If your wanting to be a lock smith please do not waste your hard earned cash on doing a course. On a course they will just explain what locks are and show you bits and pieces on lock picking and explain how a lock works and also show you how to pick and rake locks and possibly how to drill locks etc.. At the end of the day it is up to the individual to practice after doing the course. Some people are good at picking and others not too good. If you are wanting to be a lock smith you can learn all you need to by watching videos on TH-cam and also joining forums and asking questions. Like you say, courses are VERY expensive. Also if you think you need to do a course to be a registered lock smith, you don't as there is no licence needed to be a lock smith. If you wanted, you could today buy a set of picks, get some other tools and a van and set up your own business up. Like I say mate, please do not waste your money on a course. Watch videos and ask questions plus practice. Use the money to buy tools etc. Regards, Rich (waddac2)
+waddac2 hi mate. youve just confirmed exactly what i was thinking. ive learnt a good amount off youtube with regards to how locks work etc. ive bought some picks and had varied success with different locks. youve just given me the kick i need. thank you. keep up the good work .
Hi John. To be honest I highly recommend these ICL picks. Ive tried more expensive ones and passed them on as cannot use them as some picks were known to go all the way through keyway when tensioning. The ICL picks have a little raised running all round to stop it going all the way through. I love them.
+Isaac George I got the picks from a UK website and were used/second hand. You may be able to purchase some from walkerlocksmiths but would recommend asking at withoutakey.co.uk to see if they can get you them as would be cheaper
If you are on about the toll that goes into the lock first, that is the ICL tensioner which allows me to put tension on the lock then I use the pick wire to lift the levers up into the gates to pick the lock.
I uploaded a couple of vids a couple of weeks ago buddy but not done one since as been really busy with work. Regarding disc detainer picking, I do not have a pick to pick them. Did order one a year or so back but when it arrived at my house the package was damaged and when I opened it thew pick was damaged too. I do have one video on my channel of single disc picking a detainer lock with home made tools a friend on youtube gave me.
+Gregorio Barrios Gonzales Es un tutorial para un buen amigo cosecha de la cerradura de la mía, así que hablar para explicar cómo funciona el bloqueo. Si usted lee el título del vídeo se afirma que es un tutorial.
Hola lo dicho a blar menos y a ser mas esto quiere decir muchas esplicasiones confunde al navegador y con pocas palabras basta un saludo de un cerrajero.
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Awesome, this helped a lot to understand how these picking tools work. Thank you.
Your welcome Michael, glad you liked it. The see through plate is a blessing to show how the levers work with true and false gates.
Thanks mate! I can see just how awkward it was to make this video, but it was a great demonstration and very helpful. Much appreciated.
teufelskerl001 Glad you liked it mate and glad it helped. Yes, very awkward to do with my arms having to stretch round the camera but that was the best angle to shoot the video to give a good view of face plate and levers.... I did nearly manage to knock vice over a couple of times as you notice vice wobble around now and again LOL!!!! It was fun to do. Thanks again ;o))))
This is one of my Favourite Videos you've done yet Rich. I love how it's explained and how you can see what you're doing exactly. Keep up the great work. Nick.
Thanks Nick mate and glad you enjoyed the video ;o))))
It would have be useful if you explained how to know youre in a false gate and how to avoid them. Im struggling to pick a lever padlock open when i can pick it closed in seconds so I assume im hitting false gates. Any tips for not getting stuck or knowing that your stuck? If a lever has completely ceased id assume it means your in the true gate or the false gate?
You do not know you are in a false gate until you get in one... The bold moves back a bit and locks up, meaning re-set and start again. You have to try and remember which lever had the false gate and where it was (High or Low).. Then pick accordingly on others. Picking lever locks is just lick pin tumblers, meaning you are looking for levers that bind first.
Yes, correct in saying if seized... as you are in a false gate... as said above, remember which seized... re-set and go again. Normally when I pick these I first treat levers lick security pins and tickle through the stack... On the odd ones, I apply tension and just throw levers up to try and see what is happening and adjust tension etc.
Thank you, that was very useful!
You are welcome Adam.
This is a very clearly explained tutorial which is even better than the locksmithing course I attended in Hong Kong.
Please inform me where can I buy the ICL curtained mortise lever lock pick as I saw one unhappy customer complaining to Bosnianbill that his ICL ordered from a UK vendor did not match with the photo depicted.
Excellent Job! Thanks.
Thank you so much for your kind words Roland regarding my video. It really means a lot when reading great comments such as yours Sir. I did not purchase my ICL pick brand new, I purchased them used and love them to bits. There is a slight newer model made that may have been the ones in the complaint to Bill. Not Bills problem regarding picks though as he has nothing to do with the company. Not sure if I saw the comment to Bill and not sure where the customer purchased them from, but would like to know?
Thanks again,
Rich (waddac2)
I once lost my keys to an ERA Fortress, BS3621 5 lever lock. The locksmith was unable to pick it. He took over 3 hours to drill (& eventually) destroy the lock to gain access. Needless to say I fitted another!
ERA Fortress can be a pain to pick as very low levers, so pick wires have issues getting under the low levers. Many locksmiths will not want to tackle them and prefer to drill. WOW!!!!! Took him 3 hours, bet he charged a fortune. Most locksmiths will carry drill templates to let them know where to drill to save time. Here is a video of me picking an ERA Fortress some time ago.
th-cam.com/video/1_p7EEz0i1Q/w-d-xo.html
@@waddac2 £120 which was most reasonable. I didn't see a template and he tried 2 drill points... I was just grateful to get in! In fairness, my heart went out to him... I certainly felt the lock was a good one to refit! Got a couple of extra keys cut when I purchased the new Fortress.
@@1658iain Well, for three hours work £120 was not too bad. Yes you did the right thing with putting another fortress on. I hate UPVC doors and all mine are good solid wood and I too use 5 lever BS Curtained mortice locks as potential thieves will look and walk away. Also security wise, my fences are low so passers by can see my doors. Too many people use high fences for privacy, but if watched by thieves when occupants leave the house on certain days for shopping etc... Thief knows how long they will be, scale the fence and are hidden from public eye and, many modern doors use Euro cylinders... I still as say, like 5 levers.
@@waddac2 Avocet ABS dimple on the main door! Trouble is, when your leave the key in the back of the Euro cylinder, you can't use the spare to open it as it won't go in! I've seen the Avocet picked on a couple of TH-cam vids (the Lock Picking Lawyer was very good!) but I still reckon I have the best combination!
@@1658iain You certainly do have the perfect combination if using an ERA Fortress and also Avocet ABS. Yes, when leaving a key in one side of of a Door and try to use key on other side, you will have no joy 90% on opening the door. Many people have left a key in a door in side the house and when returning cannot get back in through that door.
I literally enjoyed this clip, literally.
I am literally really, glad you literally enjoyed it, I literally mean that... thanks for watching and literally mean that again ;o))))
This it's awesome.
Thank you Alex. Much appreciated Brother 👍👍👍
I had always wondered what mortice/curtain locks were. What keeps you from using a pick that is wider at the end, so it manipulates all of the gates at the same time? Are the gates somehow shaped differently? I suppose it would help if I could see the key. Thanks for the great vid and taking the time to build that for us.
I figured it out. I found a great Video by Adrian Weber, where he breaks it down.
Using a bigger ended pick and lifting all levers is called over-lifting. I have done it with three lever none curtained mortice lock.
Great tutorial Rich! I will come in handy for me to started with lever locks.
Thank you my friend. It was a fun video to do and I really enjoyed doing it.
That's brilliant Rich. Really enjoyed that mate.
Super tutorial.
Thank Bryan mate ;o))))
bloody brilliant Iam so going to have to try this for myself Thank you so much.
Thank you for an excellent informative video
Thank you Mar Jon, and thank you for watching ;o))))
Outstanding tutorial Rich. Great vid. I really enjoyed that my friend.
Thanks Dirk my friend and glad you liked it ;o))))
super video again my friend. just getting started on these types of lock so nice to see the inner workings
Glad you liked it my friend ;o))))
Awesome video, love to learn from somebody who knows what there doing🙋
Thank you for your kind words there Joe my friend ;o))))
That's a great video rich. Well done my friend
Cheers Trigz buddy ;o))))
What happens if you have to pick the lock from the opposite side - for example if the door is only accessible from one side?
You can pick these bolt side or lever side pending what angle they are situated in a door (Right or Left). You also need to use another pick wire pending what side the lock is in the door.
+waddac2 , Im an amateur (I work at DIY)- I have a friend who has a stuck 3 lever mortice, Legge. Havent been down yet but have practiced on 3 old ones I have here. I modified an old key (ground a flat on the shaft and took off the material so there is just a pin sticking up to engage the v in the bolt, and then Im using a pick wire to flip the levers up - it works well. But I wondered how I would do it if I could only access the reverse side of the lock.- because the key is then in the way of the pick wire. I can get to the inside of the door but not the outside - because theres a walled garden with a locked gate. Thanks for getting back to me - videos are v helpful
+waddac2 the lock is on the left side of the door when im looking at it from inside the house. Thats the only way I can access it...
+Ian Straub Good thinking regarding using the key to make it into a tensioner. This does work well with 5 lever curtained mortice locks as it assist in turning the curtain to get to levers by using a pick wire to slide into a grove down the key which can be made with a file. However I see your problem with a 3 lever lock and adapted key. Instead of using the key to tension it use a wire, made from same wire you used to lift the levers. Here is a video I did a while back that may help.
th-cam.com/video/cero7vrqm6s/w-d-xo.html
+waddac2 OK thanks - I just remembered that i saw that video - will keep it in mind. Turns out the lady's lock was 5 lever Legge, with curtain and thankfully i was able to try the original key from the outside - after some fence climbing - and it worked. I replaced it - Im a bit relieved because I have the old 5 lever to play with and it looks daunting. Thanks for your help
Great video waddac2, did your curtain picks need any adjustment when you got them, or were they good to go go straight out the box?
Great video Rich, good example of how its done.
Thanks Scott buddy. As you can see I did the video for Texas Jim. To be honest it was harder to pick it with me seeing the levers as was too busy looking through the plate.
This is fantastic. Thanks for sharing, will put to good use in the states.
Thank you and glad you liked it my friend.
You show the difficulties. Where does one obtain the tensioner you use? (U.K.)
you get then easy in the uk sir, but try typing icl 5 curtained mortice picks and see what comes up from where you live. they are very good picks.
@@waddac2 ... Thanks for your response.
@@bertiepimplebum5633 You are more than welcome Bertie. Sorry for any typing errors in reply as in Portugal on vacation and using a chrome book laptop I cannot get use too.
thanks for doing this video so we could see what you was doing inside the lock
You are more than welcome Jerry and just hope it helped with the plastic cover on.
Is that called a Disc Container tension tool? Regards. U.K.
Great to see how it's done Richie.
Will have to join your forum.
Cheers Stephen mate, glad you liked the video..... Yes, pop along and join the forum. Not only do we pick locks and offer advice, we also have lots of fun along the way ;o))))
Really. Amazing video keep up the good work
Cheers Javid mate ;o))))
can i ask how did you get into locksmithing?? ive thought about it for the last year or 2. its somet i defo wanna do. only thing is i havent got 1000 to 1500 to do the courses. any advice greatly appreciated. cheers
+bingley biker
Hi Bud, I am not a lock smith and just a hobby picker. If your wanting to be a lock smith please do not waste your hard earned cash on doing a course. On a course they will just explain what locks are and show you bits and pieces on lock picking and explain how a lock works and also show you how to pick and rake locks and possibly how to drill locks etc.. At the end of the day it is up to the individual to practice after doing the course. Some people are good at picking and others not too good. If you are wanting to be a lock smith you can learn all you need to by watching videos on TH-cam and also joining forums and asking questions. Like you say, courses are VERY expensive. Also if you think you need to do a course to be a registered lock smith, you don't as there is no licence needed to be a lock smith. If you wanted, you could today buy a set of picks, get some other tools and a van and set up your own business up. Like I say mate, please do not waste your money on a course. Watch videos and ask questions plus practice. Use the money to buy tools etc.
Regards,
Rich (waddac2)
+waddac2 hi mate. youve just confirmed exactly what i was thinking. ive learnt a good amount off youtube with regards to how locks work etc. ive bought some picks and had varied success with different locks. youve just given me the kick i need. thank you. keep up the good work .
+bingley biker
You are more than welcome mate. Good luck with your venture into lock smithing ;o))))
+waddac2 cheers pal. may i come back to you if i need any more advice??
+bingley biker
Yes mate, pop back and ask for advice anytime and will do my best to help anyway I can.
Great tutorial. Appreciate it.
Hope it was okay for you Jim my friend as was difficult to do with camera angle.
im looking to start picking 5 levers, what basic pick can i start with please?
Hi John. To be honest I highly recommend these ICL picks. Ive tried more expensive ones and passed them on as cannot use them as some picks were known to go all the way through keyway when tensioning. The ICL picks have a little raised running all round to stop it going all the way through. I love them.
Thank you alot easier to understand how lock works
Thanks Craig and glad you liked it buddy ;o))))
great video Rich!
Cheers Ash mate ;o))))
Hello! Are the dimensions of the instrument? Thank you
you sir can get into wildfire with these skills
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great pick
+Else Noë
Thank you Else and love your avatar picture with Fencing foil
this is literally an awesome video, thx :p
I loved this video, thanks for making it
You are more than welcome dilly dally and glad you liked the video buddy ;o))))
Can you buy these practice locks?
I think you can buy the plastic training covers, but I have made my own before.
Where did you get your lock pick set from can you send me a link
+Isaac George
I got the picks from a UK website and were used/second hand. You may be able to purchase some from walkerlocksmiths but would recommend asking at withoutakey.co.uk to see if they can get you them as would be cheaper
Great video
+simple security
Thank you Sir.
The tube tool you use here, what's it called?
If you are on about the toll that goes into the lock first, that is the ICL tensioner which allows me to put tension on the lock then I use the pick wire to lift the levers up into the gates to pick the lock.
Very interesting, thanks for this video!
Glad you enjoyed the video my friend.
Nice tutorial m8
Thanks buddy, glad you liked it ;o))))
What is the lock pick set called
+Isaac George
ICL picks as video states
waddac2 wanted to know mate what happens to the spring tension latch on the top?
Where is the moment explaining how to open it when you do not see which lever is trapped in the false gate, please?
The video was for Texas Jim as stated in the title and the video is explaining how the lock works from start to finish.
hey i have impressed to watch this video . so nice super joo London uk
Thank you. Glad you liked it buddy ;o))))
"Literally"
Yep
Haha, sorry fella. Great vid, but I did end up laughing how many times you said it! ;-)
Take it easy.
No problem at all buddy. I do repeat myself sometimes in videos when concentrating and trying to explain on how things work ;o))))
Same, except with probably more expletive words! Make some more vids man. Would be interested in some disc detainer ones if you can.
I uploaded a couple of vids a couple of weeks ago buddy but not done one since as been really busy with work. Regarding disc detainer picking, I do not have a pick to pick them. Did order one a year or so back but when it arrived at my house the package was damaged and when I opened it thew pick was damaged too. I do have one video on my channel of single disc picking a detainer lock with home made tools a friend on youtube gave me.
literally
I don't even want to pick locks I just wanted to know how it works ;L
+Waqas Ali
Hope you liked the video even if you don't want to pick locks buddy.
no one picks locks for illegal activities it takes too long a simple crowbar works wtc
Very true Andrew, they tend to just smash and grab. In and out as quick as possible.
Hola a blar menos y a ser mas .
+Gregorio Barrios Gonzales
Es un tutorial para un buen amigo cosecha de la cerradura de la mía, así que hablar para explicar cómo funciona el bloqueo. Si usted lee el título del vídeo se afirma que es un tutorial.
Hola lo dicho a blar menos y a ser mas esto quiere decir muchas esplicasiones confunde al navegador y con pocas palabras basta
un saludo de un cerrajero.
Gracias por mirar mi amigo