Ireland’s most baffling missing persons case - Couple vanish without trace
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- It’s one of Ireland’s most baffling mysteries. An ordinary couple leave their ordinary Cork home on a regular day never to be seen again.
And thirty three years later Gardai have launched a fresh appeal for information on Conor and Sheila Dwyer who were both in their early 60s when they vanished without a trace.
Nicola speaks with Irish Independent journalist Ralph Riegel about the puzzling case of a couple who never came home.
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I've always believed they ended up in the river and I'd love to see one of those Sonar experts do an intensive survey at all the potential entry points for cars. 🤔
Yes.. especially when the car is missing too. Its a good guess they drove into a river. Just waiting to be found now...
I believe that's the obvious answer too. Happens a lot in America where someone in a car vanishes, only to be found decades later in a lake or other body of water.
Agreed
100% agree, the amount of people being found in rivers & lakes with the invention of drones.
People want to go missing..
If the couple were missing for two weeks before the alarm was raised it seems odd that Conor's workplace didn't make an effort to contact him.
100%
My impression is that he looked after a man's cars, with the cars being in Ireland and the owner being in Germany. If he was care-taker of property for an absentee owner, his employer wouldn't be checking his work daily. You have a care-taker so you don't have to check your property daily. Probably the employer only contacted his care-taker when he was coming to Ireland and wanted a particular car to be ready to drive.
That and also it was the early 90’s and communication was much slower. Nowadays they’d be on this in less than 24 hours…..
They must've driven into a body of water. How else could they vanish withou a trace?
This is what happens a lot with unexplained missing cases in America. They nearly always end up in the water. It seems very likely.
Big coastal county with a few big rivers. I'd imagine it's submerged in water like that other case.
They probably just went for a drive, swerved to avoid a deer (or some animal) and crashed, be it into a body of water or a bog or drove off a cliff or something equally mundane but horribly unfortunate, and their remains have yet to be discovered. Doesn't always have to be a mystery theater production. Either way, it's still a tragedy for the couple (may they rest in peace and rise in glory) and their poor family..
If you google map that area there is a lot of small lakes and rivers. I have always thought they could be found if a search was done
Did you begorrah .So whats stopping you doing a search ?
RTE man Alpho O'Reilly drove off from his home in Sandymount in January 1996. He was last seen in Wicklow and after that neither he or his car were ever seen again. Interestingly, in RTE he was the boss of Charles Self 🔯
Interesting,I’d never heard of this🇬🇧👍
Pity the rest in rte wouldn't drive the same road. Spreading lies and propaganda all the time.
@@martymartin2894 The tide in Clontarf is just waiting to take Dear Joe ( live /dead line ) out to sea .
Always happy to hear from Ralph Riegel my favorite Irish journalist!!!
I belive the car is submerged in Water.
Agree,it has to be,wheter deliberately or by accident.
@@yant8777 after the crime call program I telephoned the crime call number to give my opinion. They questioned me like i was a suspect, while watching the program the church was shown ,i could see a large lake or river also ,that put me thinking about the car,/passengers being in the water. I think its sonor cameras that can find things under water.
Accident, the area was very close then , They died after 1st May as were from Midleton
Absolutely
Do you Kath .Begorrah .
They have special equipment now that finds cars in bodies of water. I don't know if it's used in Ireland but they are finding "missing" people in the United States in their cars in water. Turns out they accidentally drove into a river or pond. I would bet my house that's what happened to these people. That makes the most sense.
People who have gone missing in the USA are now being found by some guys who do scuba diving. If there is a river or lake nearby it should be thoroughly searched.
Is that the guy who looks for cold case incidents with cars that have gone missing in rivers and lake's
@@TopG-lu1hq There is a few guys who work together. At this point people know about them and they are getting requests to search for missing people.
I would venture to say that the river was searched but not thoroughly enough. They’re probably in the river.
That’s exactly what I thought. They likely drove off a road and ended up in a lake or river. So many missing persons cases that had no explanation turn out to be at the bottom of a water body.
Adventures with purpose..
There are cases where individuals go missing suddenly with their vehicles and many years later are found in the bottom of a lake having driven there by accident. It is not a stretch to think it could happen to a couple and that they may never be found in spite of all the searches.
At that time I was travelling back and forth between Ireland and England, on the ferry, and I didn't even have a passport and was never asked for one. It was the same between Northern Ireland and Scotland.
Very spooky ,very bizarre .
Ah, but you still needed money right? They left a large sum of money at home and their bank accounts remain untouched. It's impossible to survive in this world without money.
The only place a car can be hidden for so many years is under water. Conors colleague and friend noticed a change in Conor before they went missing. He seemed depressed so maybe he or both of them decided to end their lives. Or maybe Conor didn't want to leave his wife behind. At the time they went missing the quays were unprotected and there were no cameras . It was only in recent years barriers were put up on quays after a number of cars went into the water. They often drove to Cobh for a trip so it may not have been the River Blackwater. They didn't take their passports or money. The ports were checked
They didn't leave the country.
It could also be simply an accident and they ended up in water, perhaps not near home. Why was that not mentioned in video as a possibility? No mention of any change in behaviour in this video either.
@@joandonnelly9187 it could also be an accident but what led me to think it may have been deliberate was the news report that mentioned a change in behavior by his colleague and friend.He mentioned he had changed.
We heard that from someone in Mitchelstown that he was depressed and not himself.
Sounds most likely an accident and the car is in water. They could have gone for a drive that day and travelled some distance from home, so wherever they are has not been or cannot be searched because it could be anywhere. Two things not explained in this video though. What was the jist of the phone conversation on 1st May? Also, it said luggage was left in house which sounds like they were planning a trip, but nothing else mentioned about that. Why?
I think what he meant was no “luggage” missing, ie suitcases, clothes still there, and nothing packed up as if they intended to travel?
Not enough research, lacking too much detail & investigation information.
As you say, the car is vital to solving the case. As a car enthusiast, I can say that the car is the Toyota Cressida model which was discontinued in 1980. The car would now be at least 44 years old and Japanese cars of that era were very prone to rust. It is likely that littlecus now left if it. The engine, gearbox, axles, as well as glass and plastic parts are all that are likely to remain. The Gardai should be requesting people to report such remains if cars with the old Toyota logo on the engine. This could helo solve the mystery and bring closure to the family.
If the car is under water it will be hard to trace old bean .
I know and, if no longer intact (as is likely the case) the bodies may not be clise by. However, I remember a case where a body was recovered from the rusted remains of a car off the Irish east coast. It solved a years old mystery so hopefully.....
What is known about the businessman he was working for.
Was the German business man connected to the man who was found in the river months later also?
@@helendeegan1591 I think myself it was that German Millionaire Businessman was behind the disappearances of the Dwyers and William Fennessy. Why was this Businessman Fritz Wolf not seriously investigated back in 1991.Obviously the Dwyers must have known to much about Mr Wolf
I think this German multi- Millionaire Businessman was behind the Dwyer's disappearance at the time. Maybe Conor Dwyer discovered some shady secrets or activities about the German Businessman and he got rid of them.
My first thought aswell, they were invited to dinner in their bosses house.
@@fionamurray8347 If this German Businessman was behind the Disappearance of the Dwyer's what was the motive
What part of ireland is their accent? Love it❤
Probably a case of them having intentionally or unintentionally ending up in a lake or river and haven't been found yet, even though I know they searched the nearby rivers as you said. Still, a very fascinating and sad case.
It sounds like an accidental or deliberate drive into the water. Statistics show men over 60 (around retirement) have the highest suicide rates. Perhaps one of them had gotten a terminal diagnoses and they decided to go out together. Or they drove in by mistake.
Using sonar would find the car if it's a body of water. If there is mud, the car can sink out of site, even in shallow water.
Do a story on Missing and Murdered Irish Women #MMIW
I think she has already done that.
I would think they are in water. Shame we don't have anyone with sonar to scan the rivers/lakes like Adventures With Purpose have in the states.
In 1991 you didn't need a passport to travel to the UK from Ireland as a foot passenger, it's only in the last decade or so it's been introduced. And pre 1994 (the MS Estonia disaster), there was no obligation for operators to have a list of passengers. Maybe the car was ditched and one or both travelled as foot passengers across to the UK. Personally though, I think they ended crashing into a river or lake.
What's up with his sleeve
Still no tidings of Jonathan Spollen , a journalist from Ranelagh, Dublin, who disappeared in India a few years ago 🎉
What do you expect when you go to non Nordic countries
Heard that he went Native .Turned into a Guru .
You didn't need a passport for England from Ireland till about 2003
One technically still doesn’t. Photo ID is sufficient depending on the ferry company or airline.
When I saw the photo, it looked like a family under cover for an intelligence agency, think ‘The America’s’. Bodies never been found, no trace of the car, etc.
Wow, I thought exactly the same. Def vibing out as spies. I would be curious to know how far back their history in IRELAND goes.
I'm assuming they are at the bottom of a river.
It's scary how someone can just be missing thus whole time with no clue
In a radio documentary on the disappearance some years ago a guard who worked on the case said that when he entered their house it was very tidy as if they were expecting visitors. I also read somewhere that Conor had disappeared before but returned and that the couple had changed religions. I got the impression if these details were correct that this was a double suicide - probably drove off a pier.
Interesting. Do you know which religion they converted to? I'm assuming they were originally Catholics.
@@frances7771 I read that they became Quakers (Religious Society of Friends).
In those times I would be shocked if a couple in their 60s didn't have a tidy house 🙄
No sign of a struggle? Sure, 20 days after they'd gone missing. Evidence could easily have been tampered with in that length of time. This needs to be reclassified.
Its very easy to make a car dissappear. The Guards couldnt find a hole in a ladder.
😂😂😂
How do you make a Cressida disappear without trace ?
Have you done it often?
@taintabird23 yes of coarse I have. I used to do it for a living.
@@seamusburke9101 I assume you didn't need to be able to spell to do it either.
I’d bet my knickers (I don’t wear any🤭) they are in a body of water. Cars don’t disappear and not found for decades unless all three the couple and car are together underwater. Occam’s razor 🤷🏼♀️
Maybe fly a drone over any bodies of water during a time when waters are low. If nothing is found divers and more divers.
Most of the divers in this country are private individuals in sub-aqua clubs. They regularly donate their time to recently-missing and rescue searches, but they only have the funds for so much. They may be close to Fermoy, but equally likely they also may be anywhere else in the county or a neighbouring county.
have they asked Gerry Adams?
check their health records
Glad I found you. I’m from Northern Ireland xx
Similar to the case of Barry Coughlan in Crosshaven in that he and his car vanished without trace... unfortunately his car with his remains inside was discovered very recently, in the water just yards from where he was last seen. I don't know why he wasn't found within the first few days, to be honest, it should have been the first place that was searched. It seems as though the case of the Dwyers could potentially be the same situation.
My real gut feeling, given the circumstances surrounding their disappearance is that it was a suicide pact or fatal accident and they've left in the car and driven it into deep water. And it's never been found. The Blackwater is a very substantial river. It could easily conceal a submerged car for ever. The simplest explanation for missing people in mysterious circumstances is generally the right one. That doesn't mean this doesn't deserve further investigation.
You don't need a passport to travel between UK and Ireland, I remember this well as we are from near Midleton, Co , Cork.
Something sadly makes us think they were dead after 1st May.
They may have lasted till the 7 th May old bean .Just saying .
Pretty sure you should travel with ID for the airlines and ferries these days.
My driving licence does ot
There was a case like this in America and years later were found in a lake and had a car accident x
Did they check medical records? If one had a terminal diagnosis they could have decided on a double suicide. Otherwise, an accident and went into the water somewhere.
They should re search the river using modern methods
A few days earlier, Brooke Pickard vanished in Castlecove, Kerry on 26th April 1991. Although in that case the INLA may have been implicated. Obviously just a coincidence...?
A body of water near??
In the river 💯
Apparently there was a sighting in Waterford of the Dwyer's was that in Waterford City or county Waterford and when was it
They got into an accident driving home and the car ended up stuck somewhere it hasn't been found, somewhere wet maybe.
In the river , i always thought so
They would be in their 90s now so I doubt they are still alive !
What day of the week did they go missing? Did they have a particular routine on certain days ? Most probably had an accident and ended up in water
How strange
I have always wondered if they accidentally drove into water. Are there any bodies of water near their home? 🕯️
There are many cases of this happening. Adventures with purpose have located many people in vehicles in water. They have a youtube channel. 🕯️
I’m on board with the gone in the water theory. Honestly, that’s probably best case scenario. Maybe one of them had a medical event while driving?
I watch psychic detectives, I really feel people should benefit from their availability. There have been results. Creepy as it may seem to some people, it still might help.
They will have ended up in a body of water, Have you watched Adventures with purpose? We need a group like this in Ireland to help find this couple, There's actually 5 separate cases of people who have gone missing in with their cars in Ireland, It's my belief they've ended up at the bottom of a lake or such....
This case is like something out of missing 411
Missing 411 is so interesting I watch a good bit about it not many from Ireland are into it I like it very strange 🍀 🇮🇪
@@Rashers- yes, it’s very strange that Yellowstone Park stuff
Very interesting too eerie vibes. It would be worth a trip . although you would want to know what you’re at.
I was raised on a farm in Yorkshire at the end of the lane,ud be amazed how many useless suburban drivers out there who would come down our lane and end up in a stream upside down,hanging like chandeliers upside down with seat belts on and one family even drove up a track of ours and drove directly in to a man made slurry pit we had,even with a brown crust of chicken and cow shit stinking with flies,I had a black lad I palled up with and invited him down,he too attempted to walk across the slurry and rocked up at mine with stinking white jeans on,u could see the shit had got right up to his waist before he realised and dragged himself out,I told him u should be dead,lucky but trust me town folk get in scrapes constantly when they go rural🇬🇧👍
Generally Irish drivers have good experience of narrow lanes and farm tracks .
Massive parts of Ireland are far more rural than the UK. Most people in Ireland are used to narrow lanes/farmland and the like
I hope your slurry tank is more secure now
@@jfurl5900Generally Yorkshire country people do too!
I stopped to have a pish one night about 3am and seen 3 stars (I thought) that then started moving about before shooting off leaving only one . This is a fact and when i tell people they just say Oh OK and look at me like I am a fucking nutter . I was stone cold sober and driving a HGV that night
Same thing happened to me. I was walking to shops after six in the evening, it was dark so must've been autumn or winter time maybe. In Kildare back between 2005-2009. In the field the other side of the ditch from the road, I suddenly saw big round bright lights swoop up on their side and hover up across the field and into the air. No sound just silence. Even in that moment I thought, no one is gonna believe that. So I told one or two people and they just dismissed it, which I expected. When I went home I looked up a UFO reportings site based in Roscommon. I entered my story to the site but no one got back to me. That happened and that's that.
@@JessicaFletcher-nn5ss I believe you
@@JessicaFletcher-nn5ssonce you see it, you cannot believe it. Then its gone. I’ve had similar moments over the years sober as a judge. The world is stranger than we think.
haven't seen u for ages hope yor well . any updates on the kinahans ?? ☀️
So he killed his wife buried her - left all documents and items behind but drove away in the missing car - he could have created a new identity & a new life with a new woman/family which he may have already started in Germany, while he worked there. I’d be looking there, interviewing his former German co-workers and boss (probably be retired now) - someone there knows something - but he’s not living under his old Irish name - if someone had killed both of them they would have stolen more than just the car. Just because a man looks and acts charming & gentlemanly does not mean he loves his wife. My Ex had everyone fooled - even my family members (not my mother but everyone else) because psychopathic narcissists can be super charming - but underneath they harbour intense rage, perpetrate physical & horrible emotional abuse on those close to them and are super revenge oriented. They want to punish people. What confirmed his pathological nature to me was when my ex stabbed a diaper pin through my very young baby daughter’s skin (two holes - one in - one out) and did not stop when she screamed that scream you know is caused by intense pain. He said he was trying to make the cloth diaper tight. Then he did it again a few weeks later & I switched to paper diapers - feel so bad that I didn’t do it sooner - forget saving the planet if he was going to do that to our tiny baby. No remorse - no feeling aghast at what he had inflicted on her. Paul Bernardo who is CDA’s worst serial rapist & killer of young teen girls (including his sister-in-law and so many girls he’s suspected of having killed - but cannot be proved) was extremely charming. He was found by local police because his car matched witness descriptions of the car that kidnapped Kristin French - but he charmed his way out of being arrested at the door of his home. His evil accomplice of the same character, Karla Homolka, sweet-talked (by playing the emotionally battered wife syndrome card) her way into being charged with just manslaughter & serving only 12 years in jail for 3 admitted killings of teen girls, one her sister (such a miscarriage of Justice!) Bernardo’s lawyer, Ken Murray should be in prison, too. He was acquitted of charges even though He knew about the hidden recordings of the rapes & murders in their home (hidden in a cavity where a light fixture sat - police search & forensic staff had missed them) Someone of conscience in his law firm forced him to tell police where the tapes were. Bernardo/Homolka we’re young to sell them as snuff films. If Murray had revealed the location of the tapes - earlier - before the Scarborough Crown Prosecutor made that shit deal with Homolka - that evil woman would still be incarcerated in segregation - only allowed out for an hour’s exercise as Bernardo is/was. I think they moved him to a different laxer prison which caused a public uproar. Homolka got pregnant by a guard while in prison! She can literally charm the pants off anyone. The point I’m making is DON’T BE FOOLED BY CHARM! Super charming = psychopath to me. They can lie & cheat lie detectors because they have zero remorse or fear - their blood pressure does not go up when they lie. They arrogantly believe they are infinitely more clever than police or prosecutors and can fool anyone. Lots of today’s politicians live on the spectrum of this evil charm grid. Beware.
Mr Dwyer could of had a German mistress and maybe got rid of his wife and run away with the German bird back to Germany that certainly could be a possibility.
Did Ralph say they were very well respected. He always does.
They've got to be at the bottom of a lake somewhere, it's the only thing that makes sense. Yes, I am aware that a search of the closest lake was searched, but things shift and those searches are not foolproof. I believe that they're entombed in their vehicle.
Definitely in water somewhere..
How do you know?
To me it seems like the couple staged the whole thing as if to not draw suspicion. The fact that the house looked immaculately clean, none of their personal belongings were taken, nothing to suggest there was some kind of struggle. I think the couple simply wanted to dissappear and start a new life somewhere without anyone knowing.
Any large bodies of water in the area at all?
Aliens! No doubt about that! 🤣 Either that or taken by goblins!
Water - almost every case where it’s said They just disappeared they are found by GPS or new technology to have fell or drove into water.
Maybe they were in witness protection
Who where they testifying against The New York Mafia.
Could be murder suicide,..as others said river ,
Need the divinging group adventures with purpurse a diving search team ,as they must be in water.
Occam's razor - two people and a car go missing near water ...
There defo in a local lake 100% in the area ...
google maps/satellite?? although a toyota 3 decades on might be hard to spot?! rip
My first thought is, did they go in a river somewhere they may have lost control,
Cases like this usually involve people who made themselves go missing 😢
“An ordinary couple leaving an ordinary house “. 😂😂😂
They're in the blackwater
Do waterways get searched for submerged vehicle's in Ireland?
Bottom of a lake
If they were embedded in the community it seems odd no one noticed their absence for 2 weeks. Also, unlikely but we don't actually know they both went off in the car together? That said I'd agree with the accidental death in a lake or river when on a day trip in the car. Or they witnessed something they shouldn't have and thus met with foul play (probably still ended up in water otherwise difficult to get rid of the car)
The car didn't disappear on its own.
" Bizzar coincidence" A police officer once told me that the cops don't believe in coincidences. Bizzar wouldn't make it any more believable. Common sense says the Aliens got them.
David paulides missing 411 in the US has done great research on all missing persons cases there.
Search the river. The car's gone in. One of them driving might've had a medical episode.
Instead of "having the craic ", they fell into it.
Did they find her handbag and his wallet? They could have gone out for the day. Sounds like a car accident, and possibly into a river. How awful for the family.
Olan mills .Remember they were the photographers of the day
The Guards couldn't track elephants in the snow..
Have they got a septic tank.???on the property
That man that was arrested last year where he had his wife's body inside the wall, that is a disgrace how garda didn't investigate him and find her earlier.
They should have seen through walls ? old bean.
200 kids missing??????
MAYBE someone thought they had money and mistook them for the real owners of the cars and killed them when they found out there was no money to be had from the couple
I just looked up their address. They're in that river, almost certainly. What about bringing over specialists. Theres a group in the states "adventures with purpose", it might seem silly to bring people from the states over but these guys have found cars in rivers that have been searched by multiple teams prior to them. They search the same exact area as other teams and whether because of their equipment or expertise, they find the cars in the rivers and lakes with missing people. Honestly when i looked up the home of this couple i was thinking ok if theres water within 5km then maybe... the river is right there. Its almost certain thats where theyve ended up in my opinion.
I mean to be clear no matter how extensive police searches claim to have been, the identification of vehicles in rivers 20 plus years ago was less possible than today with the latest sonar tech, and people like adventures with purpose (look them up on youtube) Are hypwr specialised in undewater vehicle I.d and recovery, and with figuring out where people are most likely to have entered the river.
Could they have accidently driven into a body of water?
I believe they went over a cliff into the water.
Guards back in them days were no good at solving them type of cases, too fond of the pub life , didn’t put in the time.
Those days not them days
@@JessicaFletcher-nn5ss who cares Karen
They were /are as thick as shixe old bean.
Pretty awful comment to make about the various Gardai involved- I’ve no “dog in this fight” - just seems a very hurtful (and probably defamatory) thing to say about people that you don’t even know !
@@Digibeatle09 no it’s not, gardai were good community policing back in them days but didn’t put in the time on major cases. Fair enough there would have been some putting in the time but I know for a fact seeing the way they policed in the 80s that they had one foot out the door most of the time. Off to the pub or off to GAA training and I don’t really care if you don’t like the comment.
abducted by aliens?
Anyone gonna say 'aliens'?
very strange, look up Mark Dowling. also peculiar.
Twas the aliens.. 👽
They might have been C.I.A. Agents
They clearly ended up in the River Blackwater. Dont know why all the mystery.