"Wait, did they need to polish up Linoone or somethin--" >reads comment, plays video "Oh. It was last week's Sunday. They weren't gonna ignore the Patreon pick of the month"
Honestly, what fits the Pokémon known for sprinting really fast in a straight line without being able to do anything else more than “use one buffing move and then use Extremespeed” for 5 straight generations.
@@logans.7932I think it can do 90° turns by skidding or drifting, but I specifically remember a dex entry saying that gentle curves are its biggest weakness. It was even shown in the anime.
So far the good early route pokemon are mega pidgeot, linoone, staraptor, stoutland, diggersby, talonflame, and corviknight. Not sure about the others though.
I feel ashamed of myself for wondering "wait, why is linoone not using shadow ball anymore?" until the gen 7 part... Gen 3 really brainwashed me into thinking all ghost moves are physical :(
@@USSFFRU 1. its less (70 vs. 75) and 2. the elemental punches aren't very strong either. They are usable but mostly, because many pokes simply don't have anything better.
Should’ve mentioned that when Spectrier was murdering everything in OU before it was banned, Obstagoon was literally its best counter other than maybe Ttar. It stayed there for a little while post-ban.
I knew it was going to be linoone. Because when it's the beginning of the month it's a patreon pick and the patreon pick were none of the pokemon that people thought it was.
Gen 5: “Linoone was untiered” Oh, what a pity, guess he’s gonna be doomed to irrelevance until we talk about Obstagoon Gen 6: “Banned from PU” Gen 7: “Banned from RU” Gen 8: “Banned from RU and then later NU” Oh…
Stars really alligned for it to be good; instant screen support from the broken move aurora veil, buffed pinch berry's to synergize with one of it's bad abilities to be good(even post nerf from 50% to 33%, as it still out-does sitrus 25%) and acces to the Ground-type coverage of Stomping Tantrum. All in a metagame where the demand for a solid team against the main meta was higher than the gen before. In addition to the lack of fat steels and lack of fast extreem speed resisting pokemon like Mega Aerodactyl / Durant.
Fun Fact: As of Gen 5, Pickup Mechanics allowed Linoone to pair with Ambipom in doubles for a flinch sweep… with proper setup. Sticky Web plus Explosion for setup. Use of King’s Rock and Razor Fang for Fling guarantees flinch, so as long as Linoone and Ambipom were faster, they would flinch combo entire teams from full to defeat.
Fun fact about obstagoon: while it didn't last long enough to come back to Ou, during the spectrier suspect test it actually became a legitimate threat once again since it switched in for free, was immune to it's moves and got meaningful progress out of it, be it setup, momentum with parting shot or a free hit
@@juannaym8488 Most of them lost to Spectrier whether it uses Will-O-Wisp or Disable, Tyranitar loses to Spectrier in the long game if it gets burned or gets Disabled, Mandibuzz straight up loses to Spectrier if it's WoW + Hex + CM + Sub. Spectrier was broken.
@@juannaym8488 obstagoon wasn’t that viable of a pokémon, soft checking spectrier was literally its only niche. even then, teams were able to take advantage of its constant chip due to flame orb as for the other checks, bulky sub cm made every soft check to it setup fodder. ttar and mandibuzz got wisped, and even blissey could get forced to struggle with taunt + disable sets
@@12jswilson a hard counter would be a pokémon that doesn’t get very, very easily chipped and worn down. even if obstagoon could switch into a shadow ball, if a spectrier user simply predicts an obstagoon switch-in, it can sub up and potentially even use disable to remove knock off from the equation. the chip received from flame orb and stealth rocks made obstagoon easy to dispose of by spectrier’s teammates, or even if spectrier ran mud shot/dark pulse.
The fact that Linoone went from PUBL in gen 6 to RUBL in gen 7 and even being usable in UU in Gen 7, is a massive accomplishment. Made morr smazing by the fact that normal is one of the types that usually gets crapped on over time the most. Linoone defied the norm.and got BETTER in later gens.
@Brandon Oliver Sosa Not really, Shadow can beat Linoone since it's sub variant can carry leech seed or a cover move while it's offensive variant has psyshock or psychic.
Yes, that's exactly what I was waiting for the whole time as someone who was amongst the early people to theorize this niche for Obstagoon back when Spectrier just started causing havoc and the big guns were banned (I don't take the full credit here, we were quite a few to realize this at least in theory) and that it would legitimately rise up in usage as soon as Urshifu got banned, especially considering that it had other uses in the tier (a physical attacker that was not afraid of Moltres and Zapdos and was threatening to Heatran and Ttar, had a lot of item displacement potential and even potentially momentum grab with Parting Shot, those were all valuable assets to have at the time). Unfortunately, Spectrier was banned so quickly after Urshifu that it never got to rise to OU by usage properly (still think Magearna should have been tested before Spectrier, it was a thousand times worse than the Ghost horse)
@@jagjitpradhan2038 Pollen puff is not used on any "good" as spectrier set because it doesn't really cover much . Offensive Spectrier's have psyshock, astral barrage, nasty plot/calm mind and draining kiss.
Shaymin: Has base 100 in every stat, fits in nicely in Gen 7 RU. Linoone: Speed is its highest stat at base 100, is far too overwhelming for Gen 7 RU and gets banned. That's the power of taking advantage of certain items and move combinations
Belly Drum + Gluttony is like a match made in hell. Whenever it springs out, suddenly the whole game is warped around it like a halfway through Jenga tower.
i find it wild that such a gimmicky set went from high risk high reaward to absolutely unviable in any tier to tier breaking. i'd expect it to be just more and more unviable with time
Fun fact: Every ExtremeSpeed Linoone you've ever seen was most likely genned. The only way one could legitimately learn ExtremeSpeed was through one of the eggs that Pokemon Box Ruby and Sapphire would give the player which would hatch into a zigzagoon knowing ExtremeSpeed, random nature, no guaranteed IVs, and the move couldn't be passed on through breeding. Poke box R&S only gave you one of each egg per save file, if it had a bad nature/IVs you had to replay RSE all over again and deposit another 100 pokes in order to get another one. Not to mention that that while the game itself was reasonably obtainable in Japan and Europe, in North America it was sold in literally one store on the entire continent (Pokemon Center New York). Edit: How times have changed, it became an egg move in gen 8.
If extremespeed linone wasnt gened then people could softmod a gamecube to play the rom of pokemon box, or a softmodded wii. Not to mention the fact , gamecube emulation is becoming more and more accessible.
@@xt6997 The keyword there is could, doesn't mean anyone did it. Besides, getting an emulator to trade with the real thing was unheard of until only maybe 5 years ago at most; most GBA emulators still can't do that let alone a gamecube emulator.
I was really surprised with how well Obstagoon did in the meta at first, because I thought it was just going to be like with Alolan Raticate where the typing completely cripples it. But just like you said, power creep came in, and ruined Obstagoon. In spite of this, Obstagoon is still one of my favorite Gen 8 Pokémon because of how much it surprised me.
We are gathered here today after a week of NO FSG. Now we have been blessed with a video about 2 long boys, one with an obsession with classic glam rock. I am here for it.
@@radioheado guts is a higher boost than adaptability. while adaptability makes 1.5x damage STAB moves 2x damage, guts increases attack by 50%, making STABs deal 2.25x damage
In random battles Linoone is still one of the absolute best Pokémon because you can’t see it coming, so it makes it so easy to get it in at an optimal time to set up.
@@Skarmory_oshiku they very rarely appear on Route 2 so you can pick one up there. I personally am more surprised to hear that his first (non-scripted) Wild Encounter was a Full-Odds Shiny.
I just beat a nuzlocke emeral run thanks to linoone. Almost all my team, starter included, except a zigzagoon died in the second gym. As time went on the linoone wecame my ace pokemon and by the end of the run it was packing Ice beam, thunderbolt, surf, and return. Gal soloed dragon guy from the elite four and was the mvp against wallace. Specially offensive linoone has AMAZING coverage, its stats just let it down.
Linoone is OU in HM slave bracket and in being spammed in a party for ruby/saphire rare candy pickup. I LOVE fighting roxanne with my starter at 100 omega lawl
"I don't fear the man that trains a thousand punches once but the man that trains one punch a thousand times" really fits Zigzagoon, the little guy can do only one thing but he does it fairly well
For some who doesn’t care about smogon or like smogon all the “OU”, “UU”, “RU”.. ect talk kinda just becomes white noise in the background while I enjoy the visuals and learning about the sets people would run on the Pokémon. It’s strange how much I enjoy these videos despite my distaste for Smogon lol.
The Zigzagoon line is probably the best early-game rodent line; Extreme Speed + Belly Drum on Linoone is just such a good combo, not to mention Obstagoon in Gen 8. That said, this is not a particularly good category of Pokémon lol Edit: Second best. Diggersby is better
@@marcthedashergd6321 uh...Gen 3 NU is a tier less power crept than gen 2 NU cause many of the best Gen 2 NU pokemon were in higher tiers like Xatu Weezing Primeape and Stantler, and in Gen 3 NU It was up with Plusle Minune Pikachu and Chimeco, Sableye had been great pokemon in every tier it had been surprisingly atleast until gen 8 so would not count that. Still having a niche somewhere is still respected.not like Furret
Remember when venomoth was useless in the first 3 generations? Then it became a decent NU pokemon in DPP, and then it got quiver dance and suddenly became overbearing in RU for 3 generations straight, plus being overbearing in early X and Y UU thanks to baton pass.
Aside from and before the existence of Diggersby - Linoone was probably the only *'Early game-route 1-normal-type-cutesy mammal pokemon'* with a legitimate and usable niche, any sort of presence in the higher tiers of the game, with actually impressive results - getting Extremespeed as a super strong purified move from XD Gale of Darkness was a *GODSENT for it!!* I absolutely love what they did with Galar and the invent of Obstagoon! Easily one of the better pokemon as a whole to come out of Galar region and a great way to give love and attention to the older generations of pokemon, I sincerely wish Gamefreak keeps doing more of this sort of stuff in the future generations to come
When I first saw Galarian Linoone, my first thought was "Is that thing going to get Power Trip?" Then it's like: Nope. Also, what's Belly Drum? Power Trip: Dark type move, Base Power = 20 + 20*(Number of stat boosts) So, 160 in the case of a Belly Drum Salac Berry set. 80-95% damage against physically defensive Primal Groudon.
Obstagoon has some spot in Pokemon GO competitive too. Only in the Great and Ultra League. Obstruct in Pokemon GO lowers your opponent's defence AND increases yours AND can get generated as a charge move really quick. Not much damage but it does pretty good at checking Giratina/ghost types and setting up other pokemon to sweep. For anyone who cared to know lol.
What made regular linoone work as a belly drum user was how it could set up belly drums for free with gluttony pinch berries. Since obstagoon doesn't get that plus poor defensive typing, it probably get killed after setting up
I’ve had a lot of fun using Obstagoon as a hard counter to Calyrex Shadow variants that don’t have drain kids. It’s just so much fun to switch it in and blank its attack, and then force it out.
I’ve actually found a lot of success with Reckless Obstagoon. It’s not perfect, but the absurd damage of double edge, along with Obstructs defense reduction does wonders.
Gen 8 is pretty amazing for Hoenn Linnone; Incineroar in RU makes Linnone even more dangerous especially with intimidate and Parting shot; screens aren’t needed as much; and choice scarf Gardevoir with healing wish can also help Linnone come back for another round
I only played till Gen5 on emulators, we're these berries around since Gen3? I remember these are the berries that cause confusion when eaten by Pokes that don't like the flavor.
this has to be one of my all-time favorite episodes of the series, i love being completely blindsided by how a pokemon does and i think that had to be one of the most insane rollercoaster rides and comebacks in a pokemon's metagame history you've covered !
@@zach6395 Hell no. Knowing the opponent's Pokemon makes up a better mindgame than "Oh look, I happen to have Magnezone, now your Scizor is screwed" IMO
@@Eminster Back then, Magnezone was faster with Choice Scarf and kills it with HP Fire and there isn't anything Scizor can do, especially if locked into Bullet Punch
As i watch you walk with this relatively obscure Pokemon through its lifetime, I'm just baffled at the excellence of your research and writing. Thank you and the whole team for all of your work
Speaking of Linoones, back when I was playing Pokemon Ruby, I was grinding my Pokemon for the Elite Four and I suddenly got 17 PP ups! Meaning that I maxed out Fire Bast for Blaziken, Blizzard for Walrein and Thunder for my Zangoose (Even though it also had Shadow Ball, Swords Dance and Return for STAB).
There is one time in Pokemon Showdown random battle where I almost got swept in but luckily made a massive comeback with Linoone. Got off a Belly Drum and swept through my opponents team with just extreme speed.
Hello, to you random person reading this comment i just wanna let you know that God loves you and you should also love yourself no matter the circumstance.
Linoone is incredible! Not only did he stay relevant throughout the generations. Linoone stood relevant doing the same technique. Usually, Pokemon need to adapt their moves to stay relevant in every new generation.
Even if its only for the meme, regional forms make sence since the games are all about evolution its just weird that they only came out with those on gen 7 when fangames have had them forever.
@@GravityIsFalling agreed, dont hate megas but they arnt needed and the others I despise, regional forms are just great way to breath new life into a old pokemon
@@milonchello1643 I think it was kinda attempted in gen 5 with the likes of alolamola and buffolant, but they didnt want to commit to ether a full on regional form or new evolutions, it's a bit of a shame, at least we got regional forms eventually
@@Bulletproofbouchy Yeah Alomomola is pretty much what a Luvdisc evo would be, Boufalant does look like a unovan Taurus which makes sence because unova is based on na, Sawk and Troh, at least for me, feel like a cleaner fighting duo than the hitmon duo, the only problem is how humanoid they are.
To clarify,
The super long video we needed time to make is NOT this week's video. It's NEXT WEEK's video :)
Ooooo I cant waite!
Could it be...a meta-defining Pokemon?
Nice
"Wait, did they need to polish up Linoone or somethin--"
>reads comment, plays video
"Oh. It was last week's Sunday. They weren't gonna ignore the Patreon pick of the month"
WHAAAAT
Honestly, what fits the Pokémon known for sprinting really fast in a straight line without being able to do anything else more than “use one buffing move and then use Extremespeed” for 5 straight generations.
HONESTLY YEAH
What?? Wdym it can't do anything but run in a straight line
@@Coconut_Prrson Pokédex entries note how it’s known for being really bad at turning, but it can run insanely fast
@@logans.7932I think it can do 90° turns by skidding or drifting, but I specifically remember a dex entry saying that gentle curves are its biggest weakness. It was even shown in the anime.
Furret: “Who are you?”
Linoone: “I’m you, but better.”
Actually there is something that furret can do over linoone, walk :D
But furret is still longer than charizard
@@Luis-xj8el linoone walks faster
@@calemx1637 but furret can walk longer
@@theworldofchachundar5628 tru the stamina is unbeatable. Especially for a ground type
Theres something so heartwarming about seeing an early route mon being so damn good
I think it’s the idea that Linoone could be the first Pokémon someone catches and continues being good through their whole journey
It's called, "Being Proud"
Unlike my poor furret :(
So far the good early route pokemon are mega pidgeot, linoone, staraptor, stoutland, diggersby, talonflame, and corviknight. Not sure about the others though.
@@marcthedashergd6321 i would add Bibarel. It is not good under smogon rules, but if moody is allowed...
The fact that this pokemon is an actual meta threat brings a smile to my face
I knew that, I used it, and I loved it..
Now people now my boy's power
@@swampy725 agreed!
And the fact that Mightyena isn’t hurts my soul
@@haisex3 with mightyena being my favourite pokemon,
I can relate
@@swampy725 I really hope it gets a buff eventually :/
I feel ashamed of myself for wondering "wait, why is linoone not using shadow ball anymore?" until the gen 7 part... Gen 3 really brainwashed me into thinking all ghost moves are physical :(
Thankfully they still have very similar base powers (70 for claw and 80 for ball). I'd say it's somewhat worth it for the boosted crit rate.
@@trainershade1937 well 10 bp makes a huge difference between a kill/sweep or getting killed
@@dustin202nobody uses aqua tail still
@@dustin202 But then its same BP as the Elemental Punches so its not all bad
@@USSFFRU 1. its less (70 vs. 75) and 2. the elemental punches aren't very strong either. They are usable but mostly, because many pokes simply don't have anything better.
Should’ve mentioned that when Spectrier was murdering everything in OU before it was banned, Obstagoon was literally its best counter other than maybe Ttar. It stayed there for a little while post-ban.
It was actually a check to it, because of burn chip damage, Spectier disableing knock off and using mud shot.
Obstagoon was solid at it but Mandibuzz proved to be better at the role in general. I used Obstagoon for it though so woo
@@MoodRealm_Native I personally just destroyed my opponent’s device and then peed on them
@@bounce9568 dont understand why more people don't do this
@@bounce9568 This reminds me of an old saying from magic the gathering. "The best removal is player removal."
Me: ohhh, what’s this vid gonna be? Latios? Deoxys? Lando?
FSG: looooong boi
Ferrothorn!
Id love a deoxys vid actually
People: "Next video is long??? LANDORUS TIME!!!"
FSG: "Haha Linoone go ------------------------"
I assume we're gonna have 2 videos today, cause they uploaded this a lot earlier :p
Extreme Speed
I want a Bibarel video soon. 😆
I knew it was going to be linoone. Because when it's the beginning of the month it's a patreon pick and the patreon pick were none of the pokemon that people thought it was.
Later, this was the patron pick
Fun fact: linoone can easily sweep the entire emerald league being less level than steven's metagross.
One belly drum and everything just dies.
How?
@@rudolfstreimanis7153 with belly drum
@@sujalchavan4822 it does nothing to phoebe tho
@@WildWeavile Shadow Ball
Did you know? Extreme Speed is when a Pokemons speed goes to the extreme!
😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 WHAAAAAWT?????
thank you chuck norris
Every brock ever
You may be fast
But my gun is faster
Belly drum to thee extreme
Gen 5: “Linoone was untiered”
Oh, what a pity, guess he’s gonna be doomed to irrelevance until we talk about Obstagoon
Gen 6: “Banned from PU”
Gen 7: “Banned from RU”
Gen 8: “Banned from RU and then later NU”
Oh…
Belly Drum and Extreme Speed REALLY saved Linoone.
The Gen 7 Ban floors me, Linoone got banned from a tier with:
Metagross
Gardevoir
Salazzle
Rhyperior
And many others.
Stars really alligned for it to be good; instant screen support from the broken move aurora veil, buffed pinch berry's to synergize with one of it's bad abilities to be good(even post nerf from 50% to 33%, as it still out-does sitrus 25%) and acces to the Ground-type coverage of Stomping Tantrum. All in a metagame where the demand for a solid team against the main meta was higher than the gen before. In addition to the lack of fat steels and lack of fast extreem speed resisting pokemon like Mega Aerodactyl / Durant.
This thing is fucking scary in the random ladder. It shows up, you better have had a check out that next Tuesday or you lose.
@@neptuniamarina4924 gardevoir is frail so I dont know why thats on there since it falls to e speed and the others get trashed by stomping tantrum
Ah, the early rodent with a legitimate niche.
Having 4 HM? :D
@@SethJV Extreme speed + belly drum + gluttony + berry
Even better than Raticate O-O
What about Diggersby though
He was my first new meta mon I got in randoms and I respect him for that
Can’t wait to see linoone on literally every ladder trying to sweep with belly drum
😂😂
thats whats wrong with pokemon comunity
Stall teams are gonna have a field day with their unaware mons
the ice barrier
@@lordg0gma627 OMg YOu aRE SO tOXSIc STOp uSeING STTAl
Fun Fact: As of Gen 5, Pickup Mechanics allowed Linoone to pair with Ambipom in doubles for a flinch sweep… with proper setup. Sticky Web plus Explosion for setup.
Use of King’s Rock and Razor Fang for Fling guarantees flinch, so as long as Linoone and Ambipom were faster, they would flinch combo entire teams from full to defeat.
>gen 5
>Sticky Webs
Hum.......
@@sephikong8323 okay, Gen 6.
Do tell me more, that sounds like a riot.
assuming they don't have enough priority or flying types with enough speed
@@ILiekFishes yes. Most sweeps are assuming they don't have (insert counter here)
Fun fact about obstagoon: while it didn't last long enough to come back to Ou, during the spectrier suspect test it actually became a legitimate threat once again since it switched in for free, was immune to it's moves and got meaningful progress out of it, be it setup, momentum with parting shot or a free hit
It's almost like there were plenty viable checks to Spectrier in OU
hmm...
@@juannaym8488 Most of them lost to Spectrier whether it uses Will-O-Wisp or Disable, Tyranitar loses to Spectrier in the long game if it gets burned or gets Disabled, Mandibuzz straight up loses to Spectrier if it's WoW + Hex + CM + Sub.
Spectrier was broken.
@@juannaym8488 obstagoon wasn’t that viable of a pokémon, soft checking spectrier was literally its only niche. even then, teams were able to take advantage of its constant chip due to flame orb
as for the other checks, bulky sub cm made every soft check to it setup fodder. ttar and mandibuzz got wisped, and even blissey could get forced to struggle with taunt + disable sets
@@scrollingonthiswebsite if Obstagoon was only a soft check to Spectrier, I wonder what your idea of a hard counter is.
@@12jswilson a hard counter would be a pokémon that doesn’t get very, very easily chipped and worn down.
even if obstagoon could switch into a shadow ball, if a spectrier user simply predicts an obstagoon switch-in, it can sub up and potentially even use disable to remove knock off from the equation. the chip received from flame orb and stealth rocks made obstagoon easy to dispose of by spectrier’s teammates, or even if spectrier ran mud shot/dark pulse.
Surprised Obstruct isn't used in Competitive. It's not a bad move in the slightest, since it's just better protect, plus it's got really good defense.
I was suprisee it wasn't mentioned in the video
For Guts sets its pretty good.
It has one downside, it doesn’t block status moves unlike protect. So you could be hit by a leech seed if you used Obstruct
@@dornthememe7455 that means you can use trick or treat on it via gourgeist in doubles at the same time you receive flame orb guts boost.
I love how it just kept getting better after Untiered in Gen 5
Yes, so often untiered in gen 5 means that it’s all downhill from there. Linoone just got better
Its actually considered PUBL in Gen 5 just like it is in Gen 6.
@@beyefendisneasel8693 PU came in gen 6, not gen 5.
@@ShadowtheTH-camr523 PU was created in Gen 5 even though it was unofficial then became official tier in Gen 6.
I was expecting ferrothron or lando for this vid. This was unexpected.
That’s next week’s video
This was a Patron Pick.
Same
Don’t you mean onyxpected?
Maybe double upload?
Ah yes, Genne Simmons Pokémon
Unless it’s Shiny, then it’s David Bowie
@@MedhaosFEH scary monsters
Daniel querido que haces aqui
Hm
Didn’t one of the members of Kiss acknowledge the resemblance?
18:00 I love how Linoone managed to rose back from the lowest tiers BACK to UU even after UU was now a different environment that Linoone knew once
The fact that Linoone went from PUBL in gen 6 to RUBL in gen 7 and even being usable in UU in Gen 7, is a massive accomplishment. Made morr smazing by the fact that normal is one of the types that usually gets crapped on over time the most. Linoone defied the norm.and got BETTER in later gens.
jramps yo jramps
“going from borderline problematic to outright oppressive” LMAO
mood
Linoone is a politician.
soy chuggers
Aww they never talked about how goon was a “perfect wall” for spectrier
@Brandon Oliver Sosa Not really, Shadow can beat Linoone since it's sub variant can carry leech seed or a cover move while it's offensive variant has psyshock or psychic.
Yes, that's exactly what I was waiting for the whole time as someone who was amongst the early people to theorize this niche for Obstagoon back when Spectrier just started causing havoc and the big guns were banned (I don't take the full credit here, we were quite a few to realize this at least in theory) and that it would legitimately rise up in usage as soon as Urshifu got banned, especially considering that it had other uses in the tier (a physical attacker that was not afraid of Moltres and Zapdos and was threatening to Heatran and Ttar, had a lot of item displacement potential and even potentially momentum grab with Parting Shot, those were all valuable assets to have at the time). Unfortunately, Spectrier was banned so quickly after Urshifu that it never got to rise to OU by usage properly (still think Magearna should have been tested before Spectrier, it was a thousand times worse than the Ghost horse)
@@sephikong8323 personally I think the ban list shoulda fitted zamazenta during the era of kyurem black and zygarde
@@dragonbournee5270 pollen puff?
Why isn't that mentioned?
@@jagjitpradhan2038 Pollen puff is not used on any "good" as spectrier set because it doesn't really cover much . Offensive Spectrier's have psyshock, astral barrage, nasty plot/calm mind and draining kiss.
Shaymin: Has base 100 in every stat, fits in nicely in Gen 7 RU.
Linoone: Speed is its highest stat at base 100, is far too overwhelming for Gen 7 RU and gets banned.
That's the power of taking advantage of certain items and move combinations
"They called me 'Pickup victim', 'HMSlave'...
Now they call me 'RU BL'."
BLBL
Belly Drum + Gluttony is like a match made in hell.
Whenever it springs out, suddenly the whole game is warped around it like a halfway through Jenga tower.
I remember seing a dead badger on the road the same day Obstagoon was announced, it brings bad memories.
Only death can pay for life.
what the fu
i find it wild that such a gimmicky set went from high risk high reaward to absolutely unviable in any tier to tier breaking. i'd expect it to be just more and more unviable with time
Fun fact: Every ExtremeSpeed Linoone you've ever seen was most likely genned.
The only way one could legitimately learn ExtremeSpeed was through one of the eggs that Pokemon Box Ruby and Sapphire would give the player which would hatch into a zigzagoon knowing ExtremeSpeed, random nature, no guaranteed IVs, and the move couldn't be passed on through breeding. Poke box R&S only gave you one of each egg per save file, if it had a bad nature/IVs you had to replay RSE all over again and deposit another 100 pokes in order to get another one.
Not to mention that that while the game itself was reasonably obtainable in Japan and Europe, in North America it was sold in literally one store on the entire continent (Pokemon Center New York).
Edit: How times have changed, it became an egg move in gen 8.
Man, I wanted extreme speed on my Linoone in oras :(
If extremespeed linone wasnt gened then people could softmod a gamecube to play the rom of pokemon box, or a softmodded wii. Not to mention the fact , gamecube emulation is becoming more and more accessible.
@@xt6997 The keyword there is could, doesn't mean anyone did it.
Besides, getting an emulator to trade with the real thing was unheard of until only maybe 5 years ago at most; most GBA emulators still can't do that let alone a gamecube emulator.
@@Toast_94 whod thought an hm slave could be good huh?
Hey zizaggon was the hm slave of excelence in gen 3 having acces to surf cut rock smash and strength
Plus Pickup for nice items
pickup hm slave is the best thing you can ask for
It was a good way to get TM26 Earthquake without needing to go through another playthrough back in Gen 3.
Stab strength is actually pretty powerful in the games
I was really surprised with how well Obstagoon did in the meta at first, because I thought it was just going to be like with Alolan Raticate where the typing completely cripples it. But just like you said, power creep came in, and ruined Obstagoon.
In spite of this, Obstagoon is still one of my favorite Gen 8 Pokémon because of how much it surprised me.
We are gathered here today after a week of NO FSG. Now we have been blessed with a video about 2 long boys, one with an obsession with classic glam rock. I am here for it.
Update :- After Cobalion, left RU for UU, Obstagoon became the best offensive pokemon in RU and was banned! It know rests in RUBL.
linoon and obstagoon: the BL kings
Imagine how good extreme speed obstagoon would be
E-Speed Belly Drum Obstagoon sounds terrifying. It would probably be in OU or UU just because of those 2 moves.
And sucker punch.
sucker punch+e-speed adaptability obstagoon
@@radioheado guts is a higher boost than adaptability. while adaptability makes 1.5x damage STAB moves 2x damage, guts increases attack by 50%, making STABs deal 2.25x damage
@@MrcreeperDXD777 your not sweepin anything with belly drum + burn dmg with no recovery + rocks
I usually grabbed a Zigzagoon on my Hoenn playthroughs, largely because its movepool is silly. Glad to see its legit good in several Gens.
Using Obstagoon to beat Spectrier in the early Crown Tundra meta... ah, the memories
Shoutout to Agent Goon for holding that monstrosity back a little
In random battles Linoone is still one of the absolute best Pokémon because you can’t see it coming, so it makes it so easy to get it in at an optimal time to set up.
My first wild pokemon in Shield was a shiny zigzagoon, hyped to see a new evolution do so well!!
wait but how
zigzagoon is after mototstoke did u not enocunter a single pokemon until then?
@@Skarmory_oshiku huh, the more you know. Didn't know it wasn't a very early game Mon.
@@Skarmory_oshiku you can find zigzagoon on route 2. They aren't common,but they're there
@@Skarmory_oshiku you can find zigzagoon on route 2. They aren't common,but they're there
@@Skarmory_oshiku they very rarely appear on Route 2 so you can pick one up there. I personally am more surprised to hear that his first (non-scripted) Wild Encounter was a Full-Odds Shiny.
Yep, obstagoon just got banned from RU
Here's a funny story: I never knew Linoone could learn Surf until I was an adult. Tbh I'm still shocked it even can learn it.
Squirt!
Linoone is my go to HM slave when i was a kid
I just beat a nuzlocke emeral run thanks to linoone. Almost all my team, starter included, except a zigzagoon died in the second gym. As time went on the linoone wecame my ace pokemon and by the end of the run it was packing Ice beam, thunderbolt, surf, and return. Gal soloed dragon guy from the elite four and was the mvp against wallace.
Specially offensive linoone has AMAZING coverage, its stats just let it down.
Linoone is OU in HM slave bracket and in being spammed in a party for ruby/saphire rare candy pickup. I LOVE fighting roxanne with my starter at 100 omega lawl
I fed him all the Rare Candies he picked up to quickly get him to 100 and he kept picking TMs for me. Good times.
I smell a double upload today.
Edit- nvm loll
"I don't fear the man that trains a thousand punches once but the man that trains one punch a thousand times" really fits Zigzagoon, the little guy can do only one thing but he does it fairly well
The GOON is one of my favorites to use on showdown
24:51
Actually, Obstagoon was NUBL for a while, then raised back to RU
The question is "how good is False?"
He makes Uber look like NU
Can't wait until next week's 45 minute video of Ferroseed dominating the lower tiers
The Virgin Furret vs The Chad Obstagoon
I am plenty aware of how hot a take this is
I mean, Obstagoon can atleast do something unlike Furret
How disgusting of you to bring up that rancid trash pile as a "chad".
@@lazyangryshark5076 Yeah, it can assault my eyes!
For some who doesn’t care about smogon or like smogon all the “OU”, “UU”, “RU”.. ect talk kinda just becomes white noise in the background while I enjoy the visuals and learning about the sets people would run on the Pokémon.
It’s strange how much I enjoy these videos despite my distaste for Smogon lol.
What format do you play and what's your problem with Smogon. I think everyone should play what they want but I'm just curious.
Yeah about Obstagoon being mid in RU... That did not last.
Wow, I knew that Extreme Speed Linoone was a thing in Gen 3 but I never thought it will take a good chunk of the video.
Me too
How good was abra (originally ralts but changed to abra) ACTUALLY?
I'd love to see some more LC videos.
Ralts isn't a viable pokemon it should bee gardevoir
@@bielles52 he said LC
If i had to guess Ralts would just be a worse Abra, but since i have little knowledge about LC i could be wrong.
@@bielles52 Gardevoir is already in a video of his.
Ralts’s stats are absolute garbage even for LC standards and also abra exists as an indefinitely better psychic type meaning it wasn’t used at all
Obstruct+Facade+Flame Orb+Guts is such a good combo
Ah, my favorite early route rodent. Glad they got their chance in the sun
I remember Linoone with Pick-up financing my brother's trip through Hoenn with nuggets so hard that I added one to my party
Those were good memories
You forgot to mention that Linoone has his own show, Avatar: The Last Airbender.
Bellydrum extreme speed linoone has won me many random battles on pokemon showdown
It's hard for me to do
The Zigzagoon line is probably the best early-game rodent line; Extreme Speed + Belly Drum on Linoone is just such a good combo, not to mention Obstagoon in Gen 8. That said, this is not a particularly good category of Pokémon lol
Edit: Second best. Diggersby is better
Bidoof disagrees
A generational Normal type has that actually does something?
Nice
It would take until Diggersby to repeat that, and that’s also because it had a way to have extreme physical power.
Raticate was one of the best pokemon in gen 3 NU, although after that it became too outclassed.
@@marcthedashergd6321 uh...Gen 3 NU is a tier less power crept than gen 2 NU cause many of the best Gen 2 NU pokemon were in higher tiers like Xatu Weezing Primeape and Stantler, and in Gen 3 NU It was up with Plusle Minune Pikachu and Chimeco, Sableye had been great pokemon in every tier it had been surprisingly atleast until gen 8 so would not count that. Still having a niche somewhere is still respected.not like Furret
Remember when venomoth was useless in the first 3 generations? Then it became a decent NU pokemon in DPP, and then it got quiver dance and suddenly became overbearing in RU for 3 generations straight, plus being overbearing in early X and Y UU thanks to baton pass.
The fact that we got an evolution in the form of Obstagoon was such a blessing, like a lovely kiss.
yes who knows how normal Obstagoon would be without the Galarian form ? Also he would not get dark typing
Damn it! The pun hit me hard in the first 10 seconds... And it was soooo bad...that my father would be proud. *Leaves a Like anyway.*
Aside from and before the existence of Diggersby - Linoone was probably the only *'Early game-route 1-normal-type-cutesy mammal pokemon'* with a legitimate and usable niche, any sort of presence in the higher tiers of the game, with actually impressive results - getting Extremespeed as a super strong purified move from XD Gale of Darkness was a *GODSENT for it!!* I absolutely love what they did with Galar and the invent of Obstagoon! Easily one of the better pokemon as a whole to come out of Galar region and a great way to give love and attention to the older generations of pokemon, I sincerely wish Gamefreak keeps doing more of this sort of stuff in the future generations to come
If I recall correctly, Linoone didn't get Extremespeed from XD, it was instead from Pokémon BOX: Ruby & Sapphire.
Useless but fun fact: linoone is named linoone because there's lines on its back while zigzagoon runs in a zig zag path
Never put that together lmaoo nice
It's RUNNING in lines, that's where the name comes from.
It's coz it can only really run fast in a straight line. It have a hard time making turns.
I played with a six Linoone team in ORAS, with a character named McLooty. I loved it.
Gotta keep picking TMs!
When I first saw Galarian Linoone, my first thought was "Is that thing going to get Power Trip?"
Then it's like: Nope. Also, what's Belly Drum?
Power Trip: Dark type move, Base Power = 20 + 20*(Number of stat boosts) So, 160 in the case of a Belly Drum Salac Berry set. 80-95% damage against physically defensive Primal Groudon.
Obstagoon has some spot in Pokemon GO competitive too. Only in the Great and Ultra League. Obstruct in Pokemon GO lowers your opponent's defence AND increases yours AND can get generated as a charge move really quick. Not much damage but it does pretty good at checking Giratina/ghost types and setting up other pokemon to sweep.
For anyone who cared to know lol.
Thank you
I feel like people don't abuse Obstagoon's absurd coverage. I'm honestly kinda convinced that you don't need to run dual STAB on it.
I don’t know why, but this is my favorite normal type. It just makes me smile.
I really did love that Belly Drum + Salac Berry + Extremespeed combo in gen 3
Imagine if Obstagoon still had access to belly drum espeed, like its Hoenn variant.
Obstagoon would've been a whole threat.
Everyone will forget the original Linoone.......so they didn't do that.
Maybe🤔🤔🤔
What made regular linoone work as a belly drum user was how it could set up belly drums for free with gluttony pinch berries. Since obstagoon doesn't get that plus poor defensive typing, it probably get killed after setting up
Tauros: NOW GO, my child... let the world know what a mono Normal can do
I’ve had a lot of fun using Obstagoon as a hard counter to Calyrex Shadow variants that don’t have drain kids. It’s just so much fun to switch it in and blank its attack, and then force it out.
The high linoone pun killed me
I’ve actually found a lot of success with Reckless Obstagoon. It’s not perfect, but the absurd damage of double edge, along with Obstructs defense reduction does wonders.
Plus it has found me so many Rare Candies with its pick up ability
Same. Lol
Poor man's arceus be like:
After 20 years Linoone has FINALLY been banned from ADV UU! 😂💀
In the card game, the element of surprise is rare, but stupidly powerful
Out of all the regional rodents, Linoone is the a solid mon to use on your team. I’d say even Diggersby is a close 2nd, followed by a Guts Raticate.
Gen 8 is pretty amazing for Hoenn Linnone; Incineroar in RU makes Linnone even more dangerous especially with intimidate and Parting shot; screens aren’t needed as much; and choice scarf Gardevoir with healing wish can also help Linnone come back for another round
16:19 Why is it soo funny seeing an Linoone take down a Hydreigon
I was so quick that I could outrun Linoone +2 Extremespeed
I remember the hype when Sw/Sh was about to come out about obstagoon getting belly drum extreme speed aswell...
Man, I forgot we got the 50% heal berries only as recently as Sun and Moon.
And I don't think I ever knew they dropped to 33%.
I only played till Gen5 on emulators, we're these berries around since Gen3? I remember these are the berries that cause confusion when eaten by Pokes that don't like the flavor.
Is it just me but when he said that he wouldn't upload for a week cause he needed the time did you think it was heatran ferrothorn or landorus?
This is the monthly patron pick so the long video will probably come out next week
Hopefully ferro
Double upload
this has to be one of my all-time favorite episodes of the series, i love being completely blindsided by how a pokemon does and i think that had to be one of the most insane rollercoaster rides and comebacks in a pokemon's metagame history you've covered !
I do think a official "no team preview" format for the newer generations would be interesting.
Never should have been team preview in the first place to be honest.
@@zach6395 Hell no. Knowing the opponent's Pokemon makes up a better mindgame than "Oh look, I happen to have Magnezone, now your Scizor is screwed" IMO
@@lazyangryshark5076 Scizor can run fighting moves for it
@@lazyangryshark5076 So you need to know what's coming to be effective? Weak sauce, my friend.
@@Eminster Back then, Magnezone was faster with Choice Scarf and kills it with HP Fire and there isn't anything Scizor can do, especially if locked into Bullet Punch
Belly Drum, Extreme Speed Linoone is so much fun
Really hoping for a "Sinnoan" Obstagoon in the Gen IV remakes or the Arceus games.
or even better, a sinnohian Furret
@@MrcreeperDXD777 Or some news about the remakes.
Aged like milk💀
As i watch you walk with this relatively obscure Pokemon through its lifetime, I'm just baffled at the excellence of your research and writing. Thank you and the whole team for all of your work
Speaking of Linoones, back when I was playing Pokemon Ruby, I was grinding my Pokemon for the Elite Four and I suddenly got 17 PP ups! Meaning that I maxed out Fire Bast for Blaziken, Blizzard for Walrein and Thunder for my Zangoose (Even though it also had Shadow Ball, Swords Dance and Return for STAB).
Between this and Moody Bibarel being banned from OU, it was a golden age for Rattata stand-ins for a while there.
Norman's Linoone in Emerald was just as scary as his Slaking 😭😱
There is one time in Pokemon Showdown random battle where I almost got swept in but luckily made a massive comeback with Linoone. Got off a Belly Drum and swept through my opponents team with just extreme speed.
The boooooooiiiiii, I love linoone so much, thank you patreons.
Hello, to you random person reading this comment i just wanna let you know that God loves you and you should also love yourself no matter the circumstance.
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Linoone is my 6th favorite Pokémon and my favorite normal type let’s go
Claims to not be such a great choice in RU in gen 8...Gets banned from RU later. Noice Obstagoon
Linoone is incredible! Not only did he stay relevant throughout the generations. Linoone stood relevant doing the same technique. Usually, Pokemon need to adapt their moves to stay relevant in every new generation.
Can we just appreciate how cool an idea regional forms and evolutions you are, say what you will about gen 7 and 8, but they got this right
100% agree
Remove megas z moved and dynamax and just keep regional forms
Even if its only for the meme, regional forms make sence since the games are all about evolution its just weird that they only came out with those on gen 7 when fangames have had them forever.
@@GravityIsFalling agreed, dont hate megas but they arnt needed and the others I despise, regional forms are just great way to breath new life into a old pokemon
@@milonchello1643 I think it was kinda attempted in gen 5 with the likes of alolamola and buffolant, but they didnt want to commit to ether a full on regional form or new evolutions, it's a bit of a shame, at least we got regional forms eventually
@@Bulletproofbouchy Yeah Alomomola is pretty much what a Luvdisc evo would be, Boufalant does look like a unovan Taurus which makes sence because unova is based on na, Sawk and Troh, at least for me, feel like a cleaner fighting duo than the hitmon duo, the only problem is how humanoid they are.