@@zac2384 @michaelblacktree; Actually simile use with actual E-85/85% ethanol fuel achieves 100 HP gains, along with reduced air temperatures, though less temperature reductions than methanol Increasing from 85% ethanol to 88, 90, 95, 98 % increases power too. Common folks are simply unaware, ignorant, though proper racing folks have known for many decades, along with proper chemists, physicist, engineers for longer.
Really would have loved that data, I'm sure still not as much as you'd have liked to have shown it....ya got me all nice and excited to watch the boost & temperature!!
Awesome little car,my first car was a 79 sunbird ,put 231 V6 Buick motor and 350 turbo transmission and it was a blast, good to see one of them still around and it making some really good horses,I bet it's a handful.😅😅
I just watched the hot for teacher idle vid! Awesome! I have a 69 nova fresh 383 and Muncie 4sp. Btw all your guys builds are awesome! I’m subscribed and look forward to every new vid ✌️
Great test! With meth injection and intercoolers we run it on the fat side to help with uneven distribution, with no intercooler it would probably have to be extra fat like a normal methanol car would be.
If you run a MAT sensor post injector, on port injection, you would see the same temp drop especially with an alcohol fuel. Similar to the way TBI injection or a blow through carb works in cooling the air charge.
Only the real small engines running insane boost pressures really using an intercooler on alcohol. Alcohol has a high latent heat of vaporization, near twice that of ethanol.
Awesome! Ran a meth injection kit on the turbo bmw my father and I built in the early-mid 00s. Remember buying a bunch of bottles of HEET to fill it. Funny enough before my pops got into drag racing bmws he did it with pontiacs.
Direct port with progressive controller is the best way to spray meth on a combo like this that will be replacing a large amount of primary fueling. It’s nice to see someone else using a simple fuel pump rather than the expensive and unnecessary water/meth pumps. There is zero need to spray water into your motor when you have the option to spray methanol 🎉
@@Calvin-Nelson definitely. The worst thing about water/meth is that you have to use the water/meth specific pumps which are basically just aquatic pumps with a higher pressure relief valve. They don’t hold consistent pressure like an electric fuel pump so the AFR rises and falls at WOT. Sucks the motor blew up but I think you might be right about the factory intake. They have a tube inside them that runs past the front 4 cylinders making it difficult for the meth to follow the air. Moving the nozzles or in your case injectors as far from the throttle body as possible might help but ditching the factory intake and plumbing it direct port is the best way around the cylinder distribution issues. Keep the content rolling 👍🏻
I have a Snow Performance meth kit on my daily. It's fantastic! I picked up about 50hp (car makes about 300whp with) and definitely recommend any Boosted vehicle get meth!
So when I last did this on a gasoline engine , I tried the methanol injection pre throttle body similar to yours and then I tried pre turbo as well ( increases Boost dramatically with out any other changes ) However I made certain the amount of methanol I injected never became part of the fuel source because it will lean cylinders, I injected enough to cool the the charge , mine was only boost activated. , also if you look at the high HP. Mazda rotory cars running on methanol ( Australia) many have this no intercooler system , they will use a methanol injector for inter cooling
I knew that Methanol allowed you to advance the timing and avoid knock (or worse). I’m curious how big of an impact this would have with an NA setup. I’d be curious if it could be tuned to inject and advance the timing the same time the VVT hits.
Awesome video but wanted to comment. I think you're on the right track with it being lean causing the issue however I think its a compounded problem. You would have been tuning with a wideband o2, probably on the "gas" scale. So 14.7 AFR would be "stoich" and probably around 11.5-12.0 AFR under power, or that's what the wideband would read off. So yes, the air intake absolutely was not doing you any favors and I have no doubt was a contributing factor. However the engine was seeing a mix of both fuel and methanol. Switching from AFR to Lamba, Methanol under power wants more "additional" fuel than regular fuel does. So 11.5 AFR to 12.0 AFR is a Lamba of 0.78-0.81 if talking on the regular gas or race gas scale. If your talking pure methanol, stoich is 6.4:1 AFR, and under power likes to be at 4.2-4.8 AFR which is 0.65-0.75 lamba. Lamba for those reading this comment thinking I've lost my marbles is just a percentage of a fuels stiochometric Air to Fuel Ratio. Now again, I was talking about straight fuel's of both, which is not your case here. Your mixing both. Because of that, going back to lamba so our heads dont explode, its really going to depend on what lamba reading you were shooting for with your tuneup. If you were shooting for a regular lamba numbers under boost (0.78-0.81) instead of going richer on the lamba, the tuneup itself would have contributed to the failure from not just running a single hole lean, but the whole tuneup lean, then throwing the air distribution on top of it and boom, motor now not happy. Again I could be wrong here but as I said I think you have a compounding issue, intake for sure with distribution, and then commanded AFR or Lamba not realizing methanol mixed tuneups require more fuel than regular tuneups do, because of the properties of the methanol itself. Let me know your thoughts.
Have you seen the Engine Masters when they tried this test on an engine dyno? If I remember correctly they had EGTs and couldn’t get the fuel distribution correct on their LS manifold, just like you surmised was your issue
What kind of AFR ratios were you running w meth? Julio, Owner of alkycontrol, suggests you need to target richer and richer AFR's the more meth you add. Had me in the 10.7 range when replacing 20% of the total fueling with meth. Sounds like you replaced quite a bit more, maybe needed to be richer? Looks like a relatively large amount of timing for those intake temps as well on the non meth pulls. FWIW I'm around 14* on 20lbs with twin 78's non intercooled (e85). And drop another 2* out when temps go over 220 IAT wise. Had issues with head sealing a crunched a few ringlands on 17* and 20lbs. take it up to 7800 on a 5.3. Have a few seasons on it in the 5.50 range. so far so good. Good luck!
So, the issue with the "AFR" I show on the screen is it's on a gasoline. We are actually injecting very little gasoline on this combo. Lol. O2 sensors read something called lambda and then convert that reading to AFR based on what fuel type you tell it to scale to. The reading I show on screen is totally inaccurate, but I put it in that scale because that's what I'm comfortable with. Technically the AFR is probably in the 6:1ish range. The cool thing about running ethanol and methanol is they will tolerate more timing and allow you to make more power safely. That's something I didn't go into in great detail in the video, but the timing with methanol was actually 19 degrees. We did a timing increase on the last pull and it picked up like 50hp.
Hey man, I love your videos and all the info. I didn't hear you say what fuel you were running? I know there is a significant difference between pump gas and e85 for instance in IAT tolerance.
@@Calvin-Nelson I made a dual fuel rail intake for my car so I have one injector per runner running 91 and a second fuel rail with 2 injectors per cylinder running one ethanol R
@@Calvin-Nelson The better combination is certainly well known to use at least 85% ethanol, up to 98 % ethanol fuel or use 100 % methanol for racing with the necessary precautions. NASCAR use E/C-85, 85% ethanol fuel, while IndyCar switched from methanol to ethanol Avoid all common unleaded fuel for racing
So many questions from this awesome video Calvin!: 1) I gather the primary fuel is E85? I can't imagine that 93/94 pump gas would tolerate the non-intercooled pulls much above 15psi. 2) Did you mess around with running the AFRs with Methanol any richer than desired AFRs to check power production? Apparently methanol tolerates richer lambda levels relative to stoich than other fuels. Even with bad distribution that might help keep your lean cylinder safer.. (I'm not referring to the different stoich ratio of methanol, talking about how much richer than stoich the mixture is, hence my mention of lambda. I get that you're using gasoline AFR scale as your proxy to stoich.) 3) The sharp uptick in power at the higher boost levels with the methanol is odd to me, even with it tolerating/wanting more timing. Is it possible that some of the difference is from your MAT safety setting richening up your mixture on the non-methanol runs at really high boost, due to the MATs going so high?
We tried throwing some timing at the no meth setup. It would not tolerate it. When we added the meth, it had more timing because it did not get into that table, then we added more, which is why the power increased so much. We did try richer than normal lambda. I sort of split the difference.
In my experience those factory intakes puddle fuel in the runners and hydros cylinders causing you to kick rods. I haven't finished the video yet but I assume this bit you too. Usually you see this with the increased torque early points to the hydro starting
hey Calvin, how did you calculte the target AFR when sprayng the Meth? Did you use contribution % x each fuels target AFR? Also did you have to change O2 sensors to read the rich Meth AFR ? Thanks for all your Videos, so great to see someone taking the road less traveled!!!
Of course, but my question is relative to the capability of the O2 sensor to read a Rich lambda or AFR whichever one you want to use. The specifications sheets for my O2 sensors are in AFR so I have to make the conversion to understand capability If you’re splitting the difference between E85 and methanol (50%contribution of each) I think most O2 sensors can read that target lambda
@@Calvin-Nelson Overall AFRs though, right? I was so curious if you were looking at the plugs or anything to look at distribution. I gather that with this being a $2024 challenge car or whatever it is, that you don't have EGTs on it or anything to check distribution?
@Calvin-Nelson thanks for responding....so it wouldn't gain anymore horsepower? You wouldn't be able to add anymore timing? The cooling temp wouldn't drop just a tad bit more?
Those manifolds are horrifying for meth injection pre throttle body. The distribution is terrible per cylinder that way. Not surprised it exited the chat.
water injection free octant as David Vizard says ..Microsquirt fer the win thats what she said lol . love megasquirt ecu.look this up i ant used it yet RUS EFI / Proteus large universal ECU
@@Calvin-Nelson I'm still not convinced on it! I'd love to see someone really test the theory. Also, I'm not sure what amount of step is necessary if the theory is true... I'm thinking the F1 guys probably use 5mm diameter increases.
That is some wild ignition system to be able to deal with 23.4psi at less than 9.8afr pre methanol injection without missing haha. Such a simple cool way to do the meth injection. Seems to work well!
@@Calvin-Nelson wild! Sorry if I missed it in the video but what was the base fuel? Pump E85? Timing seems WILD non intercooled. Guess smaller displacement than I’m used to. We get L98 and L77’s over here, which are alloy block rectangle port LS3 headed 6 litres with Gen 4 rods. And we get LS3’s and LSA’s, but unfortunately don’t get the 4.great and 5.3 and nothing iron.
If you go with an actual meth pump (250-300psi) as well as meth nozzles, you would get better atomization, I would think? Also water/meth mix might require you to pull out a little less fuel and lower IATs more when compared to full meth. This would be dope on full E +water/meth, I had good results on blown LS with that.
We did not see the pressure diving, so I don't know why that would help. I'm not a fan of water injection at this power level. I would rather my octane increaser have some BTUs
@@Calvin-Nelson It's really only pure methanol that noticeably increases power. 50/50 water/methanol probably makes things safer, but doesn't add much power.
Straight meth atomizes way better then mixed with water. Alky control uses straight meth and they are one of the only meth kits that can use 100% meth So seeing this makes me really happy.
Have you tried water/meth vs straight meth? I thought it was more common when you're adding it to other fuel, but maybe that's due to not wanting to pull as much fuel out.
@@Calvin-Nelson interesting. I remember reading that in WWII the Luftwaffe testing found (approx) 50/50 water/meth worked "best" at 50/50 (there was a dash of other stuff). I wonder what the main difference is.
There is a stock bottom end 5.0 302 ford mustang making over 900hp with just a single turbo, and few bolt on’s, 9.19 in the 1/4 mile, don’t know what fuel he’s running but not pump, probably 100 octane or 98. I’ve used water alcohol injection on a carbureted turbo application with dam good results at least 25-30 more hp with just a little 1600cc water cooled motor.
Can u do a build vid of the car from top to bottom and front to back and what was 60 ft times and wieght of her and 1/8 miles times or lead me to a vid or build sheet of it
Track only for that fuel. You can't use it in a daily driver. And the car has to be pushed to the starting line. If you idle the engine too long with methanol. It will dilute the oil and cause engine damage.
Hey Calvin, I hate that your stuff was stolen. I ran across my tuning software that I used to use on my trucks. If you can use it Its yours. HP Tuners, EFI Live and an old acer computer.
Very interesting, never run meth but i used to run a bucket load of H2O as knock reducer , but will be looking at the meth when i start my next one. i wont have manifold issues.. Eddie
Yeah. The issue with H2O is it doesn't burn. Doesn't creat more energy. At some point at a way higher power level, I have seen it have benefits, but I would rather my octane increaser have some BTUs
@@Calvin-Nelson Calvin sometimes You comments reveal You obvious ignorance, lack with knowledge. Perhaps see David Vizard with details about "water-injection", also power boosting. which many mislabel as "octane boosting or increase". "Octane" is a measurement relative to burn rate of fuel, not power. Higher octane is necessary to slow burn rate within high compression, but not boosted, forced induction. The better setup for most is using ethanol, at least 85% up to 98% Methanol has its value also.
100 more HP, and 100*F less IAT. That's what I call a win / win!
Well over 100 degrees less. Really amazing.
@@zac2384
@michaelblacktree;
Actually simile use with actual E-85/85% ethanol fuel achieves 100 HP gains, along with reduced air temperatures, though less temperature reductions than methanol
Increasing from 85% ethanol to 88, 90, 95, 98 % increases power too.
Common folks are simply unaware, ignorant, though proper racing folks have known for many decades, along with proper chemists, physicist, engineers for longer.
The engine was blown away with the methanol gains as well.
True!
She ain't got no haters she ain't poppen
Calvin, saw the write up on this car in GRM... 4th place, excellent job.
Thanks!
What month of grm? I was there and want a copy
@@Slowv8Fiero August 2024 (volume 41,number 5). Calvin's car is on page 50.
Really would have loved that data, I'm sure still not as much as you'd have liked to have shown it....ya got me all nice and excited to watch the boost & temperature!!
At least GM gave us plenty of LS engines to play with.
And cost effective to repair compared to stellantis and ford.
Very interesting thanks for sharing
I like the car's y'all like to build y'all don't get the normal Hot rods that's awesome 😎💯 love the channel keep up the amazing work 👏
Thanks 👍
Methanol has been known to turn into an aluminum eating laser beam in lean conditions. Other than that, it’s a fantastic power adder.
Always good to see another video from you! Wish it was on the Lark but...maybe God willing someday it will be again :)
Very cool set up. Thanks for sharing!
I love sunbirds
The temperature decrease with methanol is crazy
Awesome little car,my first car was a 79 sunbird ,put 231 V6 Buick motor and 350 turbo transmission and it was a blast, good to see one of them still around and it making some really good horses,I bet it's a handful.😅😅
Nah. It's pretty drama free on track. Straight as an arrow.
Excellent, quiet a bit of power ,thanks for sharing, all the best to yous and your loved ones
That's impressive!
great channel you deserve more subs
I just watched the hot for teacher idle vid! Awesome! I have a 69 nova fresh 383 and Muncie 4sp. Btw all your guys builds are awesome! I’m subscribed and look forward to every new vid ✌️
Thanks man!
Will you show us more on the break set up it looks like a heck of a set up
Yeah. When we do the next video on the car I'll show it off.
Very well done 👍
Thanks for the info. I’ve been curious about this. I have a 1st gen S10. Not a lot of room for a intercooler.
good information and sorry about the theft.
Great test! With meth injection and intercoolers we run it on the fat side to help with uneven distribution, with no intercooler it would probably have to be extra fat like a normal methanol car would be.
I was running it a little richer. Probably should have gone even more! Lol
If you run a MAT sensor post injector, on port injection, you would see the same temp drop especially with an alcohol fuel. Similar to the way TBI injection or a blow through carb works in cooling the air charge.
That is correct.
Also figured you would have to run an intercooler to keep internal temp cooler
That would have helped some I bet, but a lot of folks view intercoolers as just a restriction when running lots of methanol
Only the real small engines running insane boost pressures really using an intercooler on alcohol. Alcohol has a high latent heat of vaporization, near twice that of ethanol.
@@Calvin-Nelson oh gotcha. Never dealt with any of that.
Love your videos
Awesome! Ran a meth injection kit on the turbo bmw my father and I built in the early-mid 00s. Remember buying a bunch of bottles of HEET to fill it. Funny enough before my pops got into drag racing bmws he did it with pontiacs.
Ohhhh fire!
Direct port with progressive controller is the best way to spray meth on a combo like this that will be replacing a large amount of primary fueling. It’s nice to see someone else using a simple fuel pump rather than the expensive and unnecessary water/meth pumps. There is zero need to spray water into your motor when you have the option to spray methanol 🎉
Yeah. One super high output stuff, there may be some value to water injection, but for what most people do, I think it is just killing power.
@@Calvin-Nelson definitely. The worst thing about water/meth is that you have to use the water/meth specific pumps which are basically just aquatic pumps with a higher pressure relief valve. They don’t hold consistent pressure like an electric fuel pump so the AFR rises and falls at WOT. Sucks the motor blew up but I think you might be right about the factory intake. They have a tube inside them that runs past the front 4 cylinders making it difficult for the meth to follow the air. Moving the nozzles or in your case injectors as far from the throttle body as possible might help but ditching the factory intake and plumbing it direct port is the best way around the cylinder distribution issues. Keep the content rolling 👍🏻
I have a Snow Performance meth kit on my daily. It's fantastic! I picked up about 50hp (car makes about 300whp with) and definitely recommend any Boosted vehicle get meth!
Great info as always. But what on earth is going on with that brake master cylinder?
Sometimes stuff is in the way and you got to move it. Lol
So when I last did this on a gasoline engine , I tried the methanol injection pre throttle body similar to yours and then I tried pre turbo as well ( increases Boost dramatically with out any other changes ) However I made certain the amount of methanol I injected never became part of the fuel source because it will lean cylinders, I injected enough to cool the the charge , mine was only boost activated. , also if you look at the high HP. Mazda rotory cars running on methanol ( Australia) many have this no intercooler system , they will use a methanol injector for
inter cooling
Yeah. I think all we need is a manifold that has fuel flow in mind.
DIY autotune is great. Also , so is Calvin. DIY , makers of megasquirt. Great for people who have no aftermarket support like me , the Saturn guy.
I knew that Methanol allowed you to advance the timing and avoid knock (or worse). I’m curious how big of an impact this would have with an NA setup.
I’d be curious if it could be tuned to inject and advance the timing the same time the VVT hits.
I've seen where it will pick up a bit of torque and a little bit of power. It's very popular in many forms of racing NA.
That's awesome.
Awesome video but wanted to comment. I think you're on the right track with it being lean causing the issue however I think its a compounded problem.
You would have been tuning with a wideband o2, probably on the "gas" scale. So 14.7 AFR would be "stoich" and probably around 11.5-12.0 AFR under power, or that's what the wideband would read off.
So yes, the air intake absolutely was not doing you any favors and I have no doubt was a contributing factor. However the engine was seeing a mix of both fuel and methanol. Switching from AFR to Lamba, Methanol under power wants more "additional" fuel than regular fuel does. So 11.5 AFR to 12.0 AFR is a Lamba of 0.78-0.81 if talking on the regular gas or race gas scale. If your talking pure methanol, stoich is 6.4:1 AFR, and under power likes to be at 4.2-4.8 AFR which is 0.65-0.75 lamba. Lamba for those reading this comment thinking I've lost my marbles is just a percentage of a fuels stiochometric Air to Fuel Ratio. Now again, I was talking about straight fuel's of both, which is not your case here. Your mixing both. Because of that, going back to lamba so our heads dont explode, its really going to depend on what lamba reading you were shooting for with your tuneup. If you were shooting for a regular lamba numbers under boost (0.78-0.81) instead of going richer on the lamba, the tuneup itself would have contributed to the failure from not just running a single hole lean, but the whole tuneup lean, then throwing the air distribution on top of it and boom, motor now not happy.
Again I could be wrong here but as I said I think you have a compounding issue, intake for sure with distribution, and then commanded AFR or Lamba not realizing methanol mixed tuneups require more fuel than regular tuneups do, because of the properties of the methanol itself.
Let me know your thoughts.
Yeah. I was targeting a richer Lambda than normal. I sort of split the difference between what the two fuels like.
Have you seen the Engine Masters when they tried this test on an engine dyno? If I remember correctly they had EGTs and couldn’t get the fuel distribution correct on their LS manifold, just like you surmised was your issue
I forgot about that one. I'll circle back and look at it again.
could you put the two methanol injectors on each fuel rail?
Absolutely could, I prefer having less injectors just because of the cost for methanol compatible injectors
Maybe this will lead to a dual fuel setup on one of the atlas engines. Pump gas at low boost, methanol at higher boost.
In the works 😊
Never knew that methanol would make that much hp!
Awesome
What kind of AFR ratios were you running w meth? Julio, Owner of alkycontrol, suggests you need to target richer and richer AFR's the more meth you add. Had me in the 10.7 range when replacing 20% of the total fueling with meth. Sounds like you replaced quite a bit more, maybe needed to be richer?
Looks like a relatively large amount of timing for those intake temps as well on the non meth pulls. FWIW I'm around 14* on 20lbs with twin 78's non intercooled (e85). And drop another 2* out when temps go over 220 IAT wise. Had issues with head sealing a crunched a few ringlands on 17* and 20lbs. take it up to 7800 on a 5.3. Have a few seasons on it in the 5.50 range. so far so good.
Good luck!
So, the issue with the "AFR" I show on the screen is it's on a gasoline. We are actually injecting very little gasoline on this combo. Lol. O2 sensors read something called lambda and then convert that reading to AFR based on what fuel type you tell it to scale to. The reading I show on screen is totally inaccurate, but I put it in that scale because that's what I'm comfortable with. Technically the AFR is probably in the 6:1ish range.
The cool thing about running ethanol and methanol is they will tolerate more timing and allow you to make more power safely. That's something I didn't go into in great detail in the video, but the timing with methanol was actually 19 degrees. We did a timing increase on the last pull and it picked up like 50hp.
Hey man, I love your videos and all the info. I didn't hear you say what fuel you were running? I know there is a significant difference between pump gas and e85 for instance in IAT tolerance.
Would love to see you try running 91 octane through the main system with the methanol system. Would be a good drag and drive setup.
Yep. It's pretty common in Drag and Drive actually.
@@Calvin-Nelson I made a dual fuel rail intake for my car so I have one injector per runner running 91 and a second fuel rail with 2 injectors per cylinder running one ethanol R
@@Calvin-Nelson The better combination is certainly well known to use at least 85% ethanol, up to 98 % ethanol fuel
or use 100 % methanol for racing with the necessary precautions.
NASCAR use E/C-85, 85% ethanol fuel, while IndyCar switched from methanol to ethanol
Avoid all common unleaded fuel for racing
Drag racing scientist.
Just curious, what did it ET on the pass that ate the engine?
9.04. lol
@@Calvin-Nelson
Ain't that just the way of it?
😁
So many questions from this awesome video Calvin!:
1) I gather the primary fuel is E85? I can't imagine that 93/94 pump gas would tolerate the non-intercooled pulls much above 15psi.
2) Did you mess around with running the AFRs with Methanol any richer than desired AFRs to check power production? Apparently methanol tolerates richer lambda levels relative to stoich than other fuels. Even with bad distribution that might help keep your lean cylinder safer.. (I'm not referring to the different stoich ratio of methanol, talking about how much richer than stoich the mixture is, hence my mention of lambda. I get that you're using gasoline AFR scale as your proxy to stoich.)
3) The sharp uptick in power at the higher boost levels with the methanol is odd to me, even with it tolerating/wanting more timing. Is it possible that some of the difference is from your MAT safety setting richening up your mixture on the non-methanol runs at really high boost, due to the MATs going so high?
We tried throwing some timing at the no meth setup. It would not tolerate it. When we added the meth, it had more timing because it did not get into that table, then we added more, which is why the power increased so much.
We did try richer than normal lambda. I sort of split the difference.
@@Calvin-Nelson Thanks Calvin!
Methanol is awesome.. lol
In my experience those factory intakes puddle fuel in the runners and hydros cylinders causing you to kick rods. I haven't finished the video yet but I assume this bit you too. Usually you see this with the increased torque early points to the hydro starting
hey Calvin,
how did you calculte the target AFR when sprayng the Meth? Did you use contribution % x each fuels target AFR?
Also did you have to change O2 sensors to read the rich Meth AFR ?
Thanks for all your Videos, so great to see someone taking the road less traveled!!!
O2 sensors do not read AFR, they read Lambda. Now methanol likes a richer Lambda than e85, so I sort of split the difference.
Of course, but my question is relative to the capability of the O2 sensor to read a Rich lambda or AFR whichever one you want to use.
The specifications sheets for my O2 sensors are in AFR so I have to make the conversion to understand capability
If you’re splitting the difference between E85 and methanol (50%contribution of each) I think most O2 sensors can read that target lambda
Did you richen it up at all when spraying meth vs afr on the base fuel?
Yes, I did. I sort of split the difference on what Lambda to target with both fuels.
it it true that with water injection you can run closer to stok because your not relying on the fuel to cool the mixture?
I have not heard that. I know it allows you to add more timing.
Tried it on my TDI but engine somehow tore apart...
Please advise how to fix.
I don't think this would work very well on a compression ignition engine. Would likely hydrolock the engine. My advice would be don't do that.
Northstar sunbird? 🤔👍🏁
What octane fuel was you running before?
Meth, good for your engine!
How about propane injection rather than methanol?
I'm sure it has merit, but I've never seen anyone do that. I'm sure the fuel tank and lines would present a challenge.
Hi.Do you run water with meth.
Would be interesting the diff between .Water meth and just water.
I just love the background music.😂
The dc% with no meth was scary
Eh. AFRs are fine.
@@Calvin-Nelson Overall AFRs though, right? I was so curious if you were looking at the plugs or anything to look at distribution. I gather that with this being a $2024 challenge car or whatever it is, that you don't have EGTs on it or anything to check distribution?
The Sunbird is a bitchin hotrod!! Some Nivlac57 is the perfect Sunday morning treat!!
How would this compare to straight M1?🤔
Probably marginally worse, but easier to maintain.
@Calvin-Nelson thanks for responding....so it wouldn't gain anymore horsepower? You wouldn't be able to add anymore timing? The cooling temp wouldn't drop just a tad bit more?
Nice Job, those Volvo 1984 rims on front?
Nah. Camaro Spare Wheels.
@@Calvin-Nelson ah looks good brother!
Any news on the uel v8 headers build? Love your vids
was that not on the studebaker which was stolen?
No updates for now. We are actually in the process of doing another set which you will see soon.
@@perfectentrytrading nah the stude had the 180 headers not uel these are 2 different builds
Where did you get the injector holder for meth
Diyautotune
@@Calvin-Nelson thanks brother
Those manifolds are horrifying for meth injection pre throttle body. The distribution is terrible per cylinder that way. Not surprised it exited the chat.
Yep. Live and learn.
water injection free octant as David Vizard says ..Microsquirt fer the win thats what she said lol . love megasquirt ecu.look this up i ant used it yet RUS EFI / Proteus large universal ECU
If u want fo make another 180⁰ headers u should make them stepped trust me on this
Agreed. I've seen Maisteers videos.
@@Calvin-Nelson I'm still not convinced on it! I'd love to see someone really test the theory. Also, I'm not sure what amount of step is necessary if the theory is true... I'm thinking the F1 guys probably use 5mm diameter increases.
The effect that methanol has on the power output is impressive. Do you have any interest in using M1 as a primary fuel ?
Not really. I like dual fuel. Easier to warm the engine up. Easier on your oil too.
@@Calvin-Nelson Use ethanol for the benefits with power, lean combustion, low carbon deposits, etc.
Is he still running the torque bar rear end? I can't imagine 700 HP going through that.
Yes we are, but it's been significantly upgraded/strengthened.
That is some wild ignition system to be able to deal with 23.4psi at less than 9.8afr pre methanol injection without missing haha.
Such a simple cool way to do the meth injection. Seems to work well!
It's just stock LS coils.
@@Calvin-Nelson wild! Sorry if I missed it in the video but what was the base fuel? Pump E85? Timing seems WILD non intercooled. Guess smaller displacement than I’m used to.
We get L98 and L77’s over here, which are alloy block rectangle port LS3 headed 6 litres with Gen 4 rods. And we get LS3’s and LSA’s, but unfortunately don’t get the 4.great and 5.3 and nothing iron.
If you go with an actual meth pump (250-300psi) as well as meth nozzles, you would get better atomization, I would think? Also water/meth mix might require you to pull out a little less fuel and lower IATs more when compared to full meth.
This would be dope on full E +water/meth, I had good results on blown LS with that.
We did not see the pressure diving, so I don't know why that would help. I'm not a fan of water injection at this power level. I would rather my octane increaser have some BTUs
@@Calvin-Nelson It's really only pure methanol that noticeably increases power. 50/50 water/methanol probably makes things safer, but doesn't add much power.
Straight meth atomizes way better then mixed with water. Alky control uses straight meth and they are one of the only meth kits that can use 100% meth So seeing this makes me really happy.
Have you tried water/meth vs straight meth? I thought it was more common when you're adding it to other fuel, but maybe that's due to not wanting to pull as much fuel out.
We have. The more methanol we mixed in, the more power it made.
@@Calvin-Nelson interesting. I remember reading that in WWII the Luftwaffe testing found (approx) 50/50 water/meth worked "best" at 50/50 (there was a dash of other stuff). I wonder what the main difference is.
Notice anything about my TH-cam handle?
Nice!!
No dyno sauce
There is a stock bottom end 5.0 302 ford mustang making over 900hp with just a single turbo, and few bolt on’s, 9.19 in the 1/4 mile, don’t know what fuel he’s running but not pump, probably 100 octane or 98. I’ve used water alcohol injection on a carbureted turbo application with dam good results at least 25-30 more hp with just a little 1600cc water cooled motor.
Can u do a build vid of the car from top to bottom and front to back and what was 60 ft times and wieght of her and 1/8 miles times or lead me to a vid or build sheet of it
Note a 5.3L from a truck is an LK engine, NOT an LS.
It would technically be an LH, but I'll keep calling it a LS. Thanks.
Track only for that fuel.
You can't use it in a daily driver.
And the car has to be pushed to the starting line.
If you idle the engine too long with methanol. It will dilute the oil and cause engine damage.
That's why you have two fuel tanks.
Love the simplicity! Everyone needs more meth!
Hey Calvin, I hate that your stuff was stolen. I ran across my tuning software that I used to use on my trucks. If you can use it Its yours. HP Tuners, EFI Live and an old acer computer.
Thanks man. I'll keep that in mind
Maybe thats why the engine puked, afr for 100% gasoline is different than a blend with methanol.
O2 sensors do not read AFR.
Very interesting, never run meth but i used to run a bucket load of H2O as knock reducer , but will be looking at the meth when i start my next one. i wont have manifold issues.. Eddie
Yeah. The issue with H2O is it doesn't burn. Doesn't creat more energy. At some point at a way higher power level, I have seen it have benefits, but I would rather my octane increaser have some BTUs
@eddiebrown9590; common comment from ignorant "Street Racer" without proper, correct, known, established knowledge !! 😲
@@Calvin-Nelson Calvin sometimes You comments reveal You obvious ignorance, lack with knowledge.
Perhaps see David Vizard with details about "water-injection", also power boosting. which many mislabel as "octane boosting or increase".
"Octane" is a measurement relative to burn rate of fuel, not power. Higher octane is necessary to slow burn rate within high compression, but not boosted, forced induction.
The better setup for most is using ethanol, at least 85% up to 98%
Methanol has its value also.