If it needs a live internet connection to check prices, it also means you're all telling a server at TCG, exactly what you have, how many, and who has what. That is being processed by a server, with a database. If they're smart the generated data will be very valuable.
Hello guys, I subscribed to your cannel about a month ago. Always at the top of my list. And just last week, I searched for a video that I had watched 18 months about sorting cards. I remember that it was a big help, and I wanted to go back and rewatch it. I was surprised to see that it was you Edwin that actually created that video. So thanks for your video. I was just getting back into Magic at that time, and I didn't really have deck sleeves. I followed your idvice, and found one I like and use the same sleeves for all my decks. It really saves me time.
We actually looked at this last week and discussed possibly using it. While I wouldn't run my Reserved List sets through it, it's a great way to sort 100,000's of cards. If you have the volume of cards to sort, consider it an alternative to payroll and staffing to sort all of it. Key will be once they open it up to other cards as well. It's definitely a sign of cool stuff to come as far as sorting goes.
I'm nervous about running really expensive cards through it too... maybe at some point we will get our hands on one and try it. But yeah I'll need to be REALLY confident about it before I run RL cards through it.
@@UnhingedMagi with how much grading cards cost, these people might aswell invest in creating a sorting and grading service instead of a 20,000$ machine that can malfunction and f up your cards at any time..
Expensive cards typically aren't mixed in with bulk, so you probably wouldn't need to feed them into the machine anyway. On the other hand, if the machine happens to find an expensive card in bulk, that's great.
I've seen ads for this playing on MTG channels over the past few weeks. I'm curious how well it distinguishes different editions of cards? The TCG Player app has trouble with that, and you often have to manually override. Still, an awesome machine!
This will be a great way for mom n pop LGS to enter online retailing, that havent been able to afford additional labor to sort and store. And like others have mentioned, offering a bulk sorting and storage service to customers on a short turn-around would be a great way to supplement bulk processing for resale. I imagine the average longtime mtg collector will have between 5k-10k cards so having it sorted by set, color, rarity would be easy. Offer the cardboard bulk storage boxes with a nice printed label and dividers, sleeve all rares and mythics, boom, easy $100 for a couple hours of work. In the extreme case with +100,000 cards, say they charge $1,000 but it gets processed in 3-5 days, everything is organized to your spec, and you won't ever have to touch it again. Much better value than a 1 year lease. Once it can sort Pokemon, YGO, etc the value will rise exponentially. Ideally you would have this machine running constantly to maximize roi. Leasing and then subleasing to friends is a great way to lose your deposit or be on the hook for repairs lol.
The idea behind this machine is for your local LGS to have one and then you bring in your collection and pay the LGS a fee to sort your cards. The problem is most Magic players don’t want to lug all their bulk unsorted boxes around or trust the employees at their local LGS not to steal cards.
Yup. It would be a nightmare. People would seed high dollar cards as a "test" and if they didn't get one back innocently (I'm sure the machine is not 100 percent accurate) they would cry foul....
I mean it looks pretty portable. Even seems it could fit into most cars. Definitely if you have a SUV. Two guys can probably lift it, seems mostly empty space. You guys should get it and make videos about moving it around :D
@TCG Machines (you can give me my cut later) Office Depot, Kinkos, etc. Don't get alot of foot traffic these days. A machine like this as an offered service to store members could bring back in people, and the cost isn't as big to a large corporation. (And when GPs and Cons come back you guys could rent a booth and offer this service to people for a cost that's appropriate to time used, number of cards sorted etc. (AND obviously the cards ran through these machines are being counted, keeping track and the start of a global documentation of card count which can be valuable or profitable information)
@@jonbetts8473 Ya if an LGS uses this and rents out to their local customers, it can operate the same way. (I didn't check but hopefully it works for Pokemon, and YuGiOh*? Since card size and all) I mentioned Kinkos and stuff to pitch the allure of Card Hype and foot traffic that Target and such will be loosing soon. Raise drink and candy sales while they're at it lol
The machine is subscription based because the company needs a steady income in order to pay for the constant updates required to keep up with the fast paced WotC release schedule. Maybe the monthly price could come down once more machines are built.
This just seems like this will fit so few stores, they charge you an up charge if you go over a certain amount of cards so that puts a ding on large volume sellers like cardkingdom or tcg. Small sellers will not end up making enough more money to make this worth while. But I would not worry about it sorting power nine or extremely expensive cards into bulk because no one is going to put expensive cards through this machine
If there was one in my metro area, I would totally rent it for an evening. Or I would even bring a bunch of 5 row boxes to a local LGS rent it out for a few hours. It's business model reminds me the copy machine industry. They're expensive to buy and difficult to maintain, so that's why most business lease them.
If that thing sorts based on imaging its a predictive algorithm and if its a pretty good one it would sort 95-100% correct leaving 0.1 - 5% sorted wrong.
That's almost identical to one I've been thinking of for a couple years, maybe it's time I get to designing an open source version for anyone interested...
What I’d want to know is how many sorts would it need for say a new collectors box to be storable? Is this the start of automated box openings? If you do splice a playset of cards off the collection then you have to record at least some of it as it’d be amazing to see!
Just a pricelist has no connection to a card so you need price lists with connections to the card and distinguish foil / non foil recognize damaged / heavy played cards etc. Dunno I do see it working perfectly for mass box opening on new sets but then how many new boxes would one need to crack a year to break even on $6.000 +- 120?
When I see the company using it for sorting force of wills, Doubling seasons, revised Dual lands, ect. Then I will be confident it is safe to sort expensive collectibles. If just one Chains of Memphistopheles got bent in it, it would basically be a hunk of plastic!
It would be nice to go to their website and see a map indicating where one of these is located. See if there is one fairly close to the house. Probably rent time on the machine at $20 an hour. If it rents for 2 hours a day at 20 days in the month that’s $800 return. LGS would recoup the cost and run their cards for free.
I'm guessing since the deposit is $3,500 that's probably roughly the cost of the item. It it's stolen they can reimburse themselves with the deposit. But that's a hypothetical. I will continue watching the video to see if you find the price.
Surely looks interesting. I just wonder if it can tell tiny differences in editions, like 4th - 4th Alt - Rivals. Some cards are existing in all these three sets and come with the same artwork and a (c) 1995 line. But I guess that's details nobody other a collector cares about.
That was what I instantly thought. Guess there is a LGS where you can sort your cards for 15 bucks per 1k cards and pay with cards value % more than x$ value. And you you can offer the shop to trade in the cards they like, or buy on. Something like a soft drink can recyling mashine? :D
I'd only be down for this if it worked with inner sleeved cards. Clear sleeved cards of value so it didn't ruin them. If it doesn't, i could only see it used for bulk type stuff
im kinda suprised Rudy didnt get one immedeately ! if theres one person who could need it its him, probably would save him insane amounts of time sorting :D
A smart person will lease one and rent time on it to sort private collections. You bring your collection to a site and be sorted. You can watch them sort it and it cost you like $500 bucks. Some one do that please and I’ll be your customer.
I could see this being huge if they made a smaller version for the average person and make it more affordable. The point of people pooling money to rent or buy one would definitely get some value out of it.
Was sure, when I saw the thumbnail, that Edwin had built a mock-up as a joke. The not-for-sale-only-high-rent suggested the same. But apparently some juvenile tech billionaire wannabe actually built it, and the website is legit. But I've seen similar rigs built with a smart phone and LEGOs. Skew that guy.
This machine look awesome for real But i would never let this machine take away my "zen factor" from sorting cards! I like too much Of course this is not for someone like me but for big store
@@UnhingedMagi Yeah, that would be awesome! I'm definitely curious to see how that would work. Maybe you'd have to run certain piles through the machine multiple times. This could be a game-changer.
@@TavisKingsChannel My thoughts exactly. I find alphebatizing to be the most time consuming with the least amount of pleasure. For myself it would be well worth the extra passes! Haha
I’d pay to take my cards to an LGS to use their machine. Kinda like going to a bank that counts your loose coins so you don’t have to.
If it needs a live internet connection to check prices, it also means you're all telling a server at TCG, exactly what you have, how many, and who has what. That is being processed by a server, with a database. If they're smart the generated data will be very valuable.
Hello guys, I subscribed to your cannel about a month ago. Always at the top of my list. And just last week, I searched for a video that I had watched 18 months about sorting cards. I remember that it was a big help, and I wanted to go back and rewatch it. I was surprised to see that it was you Edwin that actually created that video. So thanks for your video. I was just getting back into Magic at that time, and I didn't really have deck sleeves. I followed your idvice, and found one I like and use the same sleeves for all my decks. It really saves me time.
Thanks for letting me know Clay. That organization video is one of the most popular on my original channel :)
We actually looked at this last week and discussed possibly using it. While I wouldn't run my Reserved List sets through it, it's a great way to sort 100,000's of cards. If you have the volume of cards to sort, consider it an alternative to payroll and staffing to sort all of it. Key will be once they open it up to other cards as well. It's definitely a sign of cool stuff to come as far as sorting goes.
I'm nervous about running really expensive cards through it too... maybe at some point we will get our hands on one and try it. But yeah I'll need to be REALLY confident about it before I run RL cards through it.
@@UnhingedMagi with how much grading cards cost, these people might aswell invest in creating a sorting and grading service instead of a 20,000$ machine that can malfunction and f up your cards at any time..
Expensive cards typically aren't mixed in with bulk, so you probably wouldn't need to feed them into the machine anyway.
On the other hand, if the machine happens to find an expensive card in bulk, that's great.
I've seen ads for this playing on MTG channels over the past few weeks. I'm curious how well it distinguishes different editions of cards? The TCG Player app has trouble with that, and you often have to manually override. Still, an awesome machine!
This will be a great way for mom n pop LGS to enter online retailing, that havent been able to afford additional labor to sort and store.
And like others have mentioned, offering a bulk sorting and storage service to customers on a short turn-around would be a great way to supplement bulk processing for resale. I imagine the average longtime mtg collector will have between 5k-10k cards so having it sorted by set, color, rarity would be easy. Offer the cardboard bulk storage boxes with a nice printed label and dividers, sleeve all rares and mythics, boom, easy $100 for a couple hours of work. In the extreme case with +100,000 cards, say they charge $1,000 but it gets processed in 3-5 days, everything is organized to your spec, and you won't ever have to touch it again. Much better value than a 1 year lease.
Once it can sort Pokemon, YGO, etc the value will rise exponentially. Ideally you would have this machine running constantly to maximize roi.
Leasing and then subleasing to friends is a great way to lose your deposit or be on the hook for repairs lol.
The idea behind this machine is for your local LGS to have one and then you bring in your collection and pay the LGS a fee to sort your cards. The problem is most Magic players don’t want to lug all their bulk unsorted boxes around or trust the employees at their local LGS not to steal cards.
Yup. It would be a nightmare. People would seed high dollar cards as a "test" and if they didn't get one back innocently (I'm sure the machine is not 100 percent accurate) they would cry foul....
Meh, most cars shops operate by paying as little as possible, and keeping as much as they can
As someone with several banker boxes of cards, I represent this
Sifting through bulk TCG cards for $$ is the modern day gold panning.
You can also sort the same cards multiple times! First by edition, then by color, then by rarities...
This machine would make it possible to use my dining table again.
So. Many. Piles.
This thing is nuts! Would make life so much easier
I mean it looks pretty portable. Even seems it could fit into most cars. Definitely if you have a SUV. Two guys can probably lift it, seems mostly empty space. You guys should get it and make videos about moving it around :D
I have a truck.
@@TavisKingsChannel looks like you'll have a card sorting machine soon too
@TCG Machines (you can give me my cut later) Office Depot, Kinkos, etc. Don't get alot of foot traffic these days. A machine like this as an offered service to store members could bring back in people, and the cost isn't as big to a large corporation. (And when GPs and Cons come back you guys could rent a booth and offer this service to people for a cost that's appropriate to time used, number of cards sorted etc. (AND obviously the cards ran through these machines are being counted, keeping track and the start of a global documentation of card count which can be valuable or profitable information)
That is an AMAZING IDEA.
Or ..... letting an LGS rent time on the sorter .... I would also absolutely use that
@@jonbetts8473
Ya if an LGS uses this and rents out to their local customers, it can operate the same way. (I didn't check but hopefully it works for Pokemon, and YuGiOh*? Since card size and all) I mentioned Kinkos and stuff to pitch the allure of Card Hype and foot traffic that Target and such will be loosing soon. Raise drink and candy sales while they're at it lol
At the moment it's MTG only.
They haven't built the database for other games yet.
Why was this recommended to me? I was searching for videos of people clubbing baby seals. What the? Jkjk, wishing you two the best, as always.
The machine is subscription based because the company needs a steady income in order to pay for the constant updates required to keep up with the fast paced WotC release schedule.
Maybe the monthly price could come down once more machines are built.
They may have their own aggregated pricing list too in order to take care of those situations where many sites don't have any for offer.
This just seems like this will fit so few stores, they charge you an up charge if you go over a certain amount of cards so that puts a ding on large volume sellers like cardkingdom or tcg. Small sellers will not end up making enough more money to make this worth while. But I would not worry about it sorting power nine or extremely expensive cards into bulk because no one is going to put expensive cards through this machine
I love sorting cards. I get the appeal for LGS's though.
But I would never let a machine handle my cards (after production xD).
If there was one in my metro area, I would totally rent it for an evening. Or I would even bring a bunch of 5 row boxes to a local LGS rent it out for a few hours. It's business model reminds me the copy machine industry. They're expensive to buy and difficult to maintain, so that's why most business lease them.
Cool, maybe one could rent time from your LGS with it?
This machine should be called "The LP 5000"
Oh, I have one of those Blue Elemental Blasts and always wondered what edition/misprint it was. Thanks Tavis
You're welcome.
I had one for about 15+ years before I figured it out.
I have one. I was excited that I may have found my first summer magic. It wasn't :(
These two cards are fireball and blue elemental blast magazine promo cards.
If that thing sorts based on imaging its a predictive algorithm and if its a pretty good one it would sort 95-100% correct leaving 0.1 - 5% sorted wrong.
That's almost identical to one I've been thinking of for a couple years, maybe it's time I get to designing an open source version for anyone interested...
I've been seeing commercials for this. Looking pretty sweet!
What I’d want to know is how many sorts would it need for say a new collectors box to be storable? Is this the start of automated box openings?
If you do splice a playset of cards off the collection then you have to record at least some of it as it’d be amazing to see!
So does the machine damage the cards? On bulk cards it's not a big deal but even small nicks could affect the price of more valuable cards.
Just a pricelist has no connection to a card so you need price lists with connections to the card and distinguish foil / non foil recognize damaged / heavy played cards etc. Dunno I do see it working perfectly for mass box opening on new sets but then how many new boxes would one need to crack a year to break even on $6.000 +- 120?
I'm going to build one of those now
When I see the company using it for sorting force of wills, Doubling seasons, revised Dual lands, ect. Then I will be confident it is safe to sort expensive collectibles. If just one Chains of Memphistopheles got bent in it, it would basically be a hunk of plastic!
It would be nice to go to their website and see a map indicating where one of these is located. See if there is one fairly close to the house. Probably rent time on the machine at $20 an hour. If it rents for 2 hours a day at 20 days in the month that’s $800 return. LGS would recoup the cost and run their cards for free.
Wonder how good it is differentiating between same cards from different sets. Especially mystery/list versions
I'm guessing since the deposit is $3,500 that's probably roughly the cost of the item. It it's stolen they can reimburse themselves with the deposit. But that's a hypothetical. I will continue watching the video to see if you find the price.
Surely looks interesting. I just wonder if it can tell tiny differences in editions, like 4th - 4th Alt - Rivals. Some cards are existing in all these three sets and come with the same artwork and a (c) 1995 line. But I guess that's details nobody other a collector cares about.
You know that's way cheaper than paying someone to do the work.
Sarah Connor was right.
A store could rent it or buy it, then charge their customers to use it in the store
That was what I instantly thought. Guess there is a LGS where you can sort your cards for 15 bucks per 1k cards and pay with cards value % more than x$ value. And you you can offer the shop to trade in the cards they like, or buy on. Something like a soft drink can recyling mashine? :D
I'd only be down for this if it worked with inner sleeved cards. Clear sleeved cards of value so it didn't ruin them. If it doesn't, i could only see it used for bulk type stuff
We made something similar a couple years ago as an experiment.
Jamming is a thing.
Man I hope they will have this affordable for regular Timmy's.
Same, atm this is just a job killer for min wage card shop workers.
as per the official website you can move the sorted to multiple sites
Thank goodness, I physically made 3 sorting machines. All I have to do is offer them a free draft or money and bam sorting starts. :)
That leasing price is off the charts...I’ll stick to sorting cards with TH-cam vids playing in the background
Ultra pro card tray and a lot of man hours is a lot cheaper than this lmfao
LGS’s that are big on singles resale could easily save a yearly salary for 6 000$.
Not just that. They could rent out to local players for use in the store to allow them to sort faster as well.
im kinda suprised Rudy didnt get one immedeately ! if theres one person who could need it its him, probably would save him insane amounts of time sorting :D
Does it do it with the cards sleeved?
I have that fireball 1994 promo card Dan!
Would you run your ABU, four-horsemen cards through it? It gives me anxiety thinking about it.
do you cop for the personal?
You guys rock!
Hi MrSlyxx, so do you!
A smart person will lease one and rent time on it to sort private collections. You bring your collection to a site and be sorted. You can watch them sort it and it cost you like $500 bucks. Some one do that please and I’ll be your customer.
OpenBoosters loves cracking those seals open. 😏
😂
We have like 5 of these at work
would love to cop
Has anyone used this machine first hand and had good experience with its sorting?
Save the seals!🤣
I could see this being huge if they made a smaller version for the average person and make it more affordable. The point of people pooling money to rent or buy one would definitely get some value out of it.
I would buy this and pay something like 9.99/ month for software upgrades. I would make all my money back.
I don’t want rent one I want to buy one
Was sure, when I saw the thumbnail, that Edwin had built a mock-up as a joke. The not-for-sale-only-high-rent suggested the same. But apparently some juvenile tech billionaire wannabe actually built it, and the website is legit. But I've seen similar rigs built with a smart phone and LEGOs. Skew that guy.
The pricing is probably done similarly to how EchoMTG does their pricing
So I put one in a shady van and drive around the country sorting cards for money?
seems legit
Edwin what does your shirt say
Might be connected to thier server
Oh snap, Its made by Binford!? You know it's gunna run 220v.
Dude...use the Roca Sorters. They're already established on the market. These PhyzBatch-9000 are not good at all.
Damn bro... this is to replace card shop min wage workers... At that price and technology thats all this is going to do. I GET IT but still its sad.
machine is amazing but 12 month minimum is a NO-NO even for an LGS.
They want to scam rich people that want to brag the new toy in a party...
SAVE THE SEALS!!!! :D
You could buy a set of dual lands for less than this machine.
If that thing cost $6000 a year you might ass wel buy a truck to go with it install it in the back and transform it into a mobile card store station.
In addition to a truck, I have a portable internet connection.
I would buy one for when I open my two cases just to sort the commons. But not leasing one would buy one.
Still no shiping to europe 🙄
This machine look awesome for real
But i would never let this machine take away my "zen factor" from sorting cards!
I like too much
Of course this is not for someone like me but for big store
I will sort your cards for 500 and you can pay me in cards
I wonder if it can alphabetize? I don't think that would work though 🤔 cool concept for bulk.
It looks like it has that ability, I hope we get to test with one and see.
@@UnhingedMagi Yeah, that would be awesome! I'm definitely curious to see how that would work. Maybe you'd have to run certain piles through the machine multiple times. This could be a game-changer.
It can, but it takes multiple passes because there's 13 sorting positions and 26 letters.
@@TavisKingsChannel My thoughts exactly. I find alphebatizing to be the most time consuming with the least amount of pleasure. For myself it would be well worth the extra passes! Haha
Actually enjoy sorting my cards...just sayin’
why not just pay someone to sort your cards?
It costs more, they make mistakes, and still damage cards.
Lease - that is ridiculous, way overpriced, and safer machine for cards are out there. Avoid.