Says a penaldo fan boy.U r so biased yet u need to be neutral n objective in ur analysis being the creator of ur channel.How do u expect to get more subscribers n consequently views if u portray this kind on nonsensical biase!
@@desmondachocky537 stfu he Cleary said Ronaldo lost the 2013 ballon dor and he said it was fucking controversial ballon dor wins NOT confirmed he lost it u dumbas
@@desmondachocky537 stfu he Cleary said Ronaldo lost the 2013 ballon dor and he never said Messi didn't deserve all the ballon dors he said it was controversial dumbas
Considering Messi and Ronaldo numbers and now seeing the Vini number and how he is pegged for the Balon D Or ..Messi and Ronaldo are on different Goat levels than current generation or even generation before
It’s sad I feel bad for the children growing up watching football/soccer now I was lucky enough to see these two goats go at it and I remember as a jhit being a die hard Messi fan and like hated Ronaldo but now that I’m older idc I love both and I appreciate both so much because I don’t think there will ever be any others like them like today the best in the world don’t even come close to their levels which they did consistently that’s what sets them apart truly appreciative to see them at the peak of their powers
You argue that snijder should've won in 2010 because stats don't matter, then say haaland deserved because of stats. Bro watches sky sports for football knowledge it seems. Typical Seasonal fan
@@ItsShahed17 Someone wins a world cup every 4 years, how often are trebles done in the major leagues? You can win a world cup by stringing a handful of good games, or just ride your luck. To win 3 major trophies in one year generally takes a lot of consistency
How are you gonna say Messi didnt deserve it in 2019? He carried a broken Barcelona to the semifinals of the Champions League getting MVP each game and also doing the same thing in La Liga, as soon as i heard you say he didnt deserve i knew you didnt even watching him perform and only did the video based of stats and tiktok clips lmao
Thrust me Messis ballon dor 2019 is one of the most deserved he has, he single handedly carried Barcelona all the way, and not to even talk of the skills and goal types he showed that year
@@KanyeEast-rb3tx messi won in 2019 golden shoe and IFFHS World's Best Playmaker literally no one in the history of football has won two such awards in his career, and Messi won them in one year, messi won also fifa the best, he was champions league top scorer, laliga top scorer, Laliga Best Player, i think messi deserved 2019 ballon dor
@@JasurbekAbduvohidov-z4v first of all Messi had the highest goal of 36 and took the golden boot, second messi was tired with muller that year with 21 assists foe both players, second messi dribbled past van dike, Messi had the most dribble that year, he scored over half 2/5 of barcas goal that season, he single handled carried barca, don't even mention Lewandoski cause he was not even shining then. You just be talking on statistics that you dont even know.
@@JasurbekAbduvohidov-z4v first of all yo, he did not flop the champions league, he was removed from the semi final, its his personal effort that carried that team to that level, and second copa America was not played that year, so gather ur facts well. Lastly, the success of Liverpool was due to the whole team effort, the reason the Uefa best was given to van dyke was because they won the champions league and that award was to go to the best in the team not the best player for the whole calender year. If you think Messi did not deserve that ballon dor, then its fair you say he did not deserve a single ballon dor at all
Here's why of Messi's balloon d'Ors were deserved: So first,the 2010 balloon d'Or as you guys say the two runner ups were Iniesta and Sneijder, I'll start with Sneijder. GOATESSI in 2010: - LALIGA ✅ - LALIGA top scorer ✅ - Picchini ✅ - Copa Del Rey ✅ - Spanish Super Copa ✅ - UCL top scorer ✅ - UCL top assister ✅ - UEFA Men's Player ✅ - LALIGA POTY✅ - 61 goals (only one pen scored) ⚽ - 17 assists 🎯 - 78 G/A - European golden boot ✅ Iniesta's trophies are almost as same as Messi but he just got more because he won the WC,and Iniesta just ghosted and was injured for like ⅓ of the season and got carried he only scored 9 goals and provided 13 assists which is nowhere near Messi I also know that you'll say "🤡Iniesta is a midfielder🤡"ok as a midfielder he should have more assists than Messi why he couldn't?and for Sneijder: - UCL✅ - Seire A✅ - Coppa Italia✅ - UCL top scorer❌(Messi) - UCL top assister❌(Messi) - Coppa Italia top scorer❌(Paolo Di Canio) - Coppa Italia top assister❌(Totti) - Seire A top scorer❌ (Anotnio De Natale) - Seire A top assister❌(Javier Pastore) Still not convinced?in the 2010 season Messi broke the record for the best individual performance in knockout stages, scoring a super-hatrick against Arsenal, I don't think I should yap anymore lol. The 2nd Balloon d'Or and it's the 2015 Balloon d'Or, whoever thought that Messi didn't deserve it doesn't have ball knowledge Messi vs Neymar statistics in all competitions and the 2015 UCL: 2015 UCL first: - Goals Messi:10 = Neymar:10 - Assists Messi:5 > Neymar:0 - G/A Messi:15 > Neymar:10 - Dribbles completed Messi 53 > Neymar 22 - Key passes Messi 32 > Neymar 22 - Big chances created Messi 18 > Neymar 10 Messi vs Neymar's statics in 2015 overall: - Goals Messi 58 > Neymar 39 - Assists Messi 31 > Neymar 10 - Dribbles completed Messi 267 > Neymar 155 - Key passes Messi 85 > Neymar 63 - Big chances created Messi 40 > Neymar 25 I don't think this needs a really long conversation because Messi is just better The third balloon d'Or is the 2019 balloon d'Or and "😢🤡 Van dijk" Messi's individual awards and trophies in 2019: - LALIGA - LALIGA POTY - LALIGA best player - Copa Del Rey - Spanish Super Copa - Picchini - Fifa best - European golden boot - IFFHS World's Best Playmaker award Van dijk's all individual awards and trophies: - UCL - UEFA Men's Player - FA cup - PFA players' of the year award - EPL - EPL player of the season You see Van dijk was playing with prime Liverpool,while Messi was carrying dead Barca team,he was doing very well and scored a 36 yard freekick against Liverpool,but unfortunately Dembele stole Pique's goal that was delivered by an extraordinary pass from Messi and cost us the UCL The 4th balloon d'Or is the 2021 balloon d'Or and Lewa was the runner up so here's the both sides' statics, trophies and individual awards Messi's trophies in total: - Copa Del Rey - Copa America - Ligue 1 Messi's individual awards in 2019: - Copa best player award - Copa top scorer - Copa Del Rey MVP - Copa golden boot winner - LALIGA top scorer And here's Messi's statics that excels Lewa's stats: - Assists:17 - MOTM awards:28 - Key passes:100 - Big chances created:26 - Pre-assists: - Succesful dribbles:188 - Proggresive carries:620 - Carries into the Final Third:229 - Carries into Penalty Box:69 - Passes into the Final Third: - Passes into Penalty Area: - Through balls:27 - 39 games with 8+ rating - Highest rated player in every competition NOTE: No player has won an international trophy with being the top scorer,top assister and winning player of the tournament award apart from Messi Lewa's stats in 2021: - Most goals (51) - Most missed chances (30) Trophies: - Bundesliga Bundesliga is mid cuz it was farmed for 11 years in a row by Bayern so winning it won't be as special tho Individual awards: - Golden boot Messi cooked him, and if Lewa won that no one was gonna talk tbh And for the last part and yeah Haaland the Ghost Messi vs Halaand not even close😴 Messi's trophies in 2023: - WC - Ligue 1 - Leagues cup Messi's individual awards in 2023: - WC golden ball - Laurens award - Ligue 1 POTY in 2023 - WC Final MOTM - WC silver boot - IFFHS playmaker awardin 2023 - IFFHS Best national scorer in 2023 - Ligue 1 top assister (As 2 CMS and RW in each time) Statistics: - Goals: Haaland 56 > 41 (41 is amazing for a CM at PSG) - Assists: Messi 26 > 10 - G/A: Messi 67 > 61 Messi's records: - 26 goals in major tournaments, the most of any South American - Most World cup games (broken after decades) - Most World cup golden balls - Most goal involvements - First to score in every stage in the game after decades - Most goals for Argentina - Oldest and youngest player to score and assist in the WC - MOTM in every stage of the WC - Most minutes played in WC history - Problems: Penalties in the WC, nothing else. He was amazing for PSG despite playing in 3 positions in one game:RW and CM twice. So if you are still complaining about PSG keep crying If you can't understand this PSG's midfield was sh*t,so Messi had to adapt to their playstyle and be defensive, the proof is that Messi had some defensive duties and there's also some defensive stats he had that season Haaland in 2023: Trophies: - EPL - UCL - FA Cup Records: - Most goals in an EPL season - Top UCL goal scorer - Top EPL goal scorer - UEFA Best player - Most tapins - Most international goals - Most assists by Bernardo Silva,KDB and Foden - Problems: 50+ goals were tapins, ghosted in all finals and semi-finals, no goals no assists, 90+ misses and even Ederson had more touches More: - Messi's WC final rating: 9.0 , 2 Goals - Haalands UCL final rating: 6.7 , 0 Goals and 1 Yellow card Haaland in Finals and Semi-finals: UCL - RMA: 0 Goals, 0 Assists - RMA 2nd leg: 0 Goals, 0 Assists - Inter: 0 Goals, 0 Assists UEFA Super cup - Sevilla: 0 Goals, 0 Assists Community Shield - Arsenal: 0 Goals, 0 Assists - Liverpool: 0 Goals, 0 Assists FA Cup - Shiffield United: 0 Goals, 0 Assists - Man United: 0 Goals, 0 Assists Haaland in Finals and Semi-finals for Manchester City • 8 games - 0 Goals - 0 Assists - 7 B.C.M Messi in WC with Argentina • 7 games - 7 Goals - 3 Assists - 8.7 Average rating Leagues cup final - 1 Goal - 0 Assists In addition: - More dribbles completed - More Key passes - Highest Assist to game ratio - Highest conversion rate
- Saying Messi didn't deserve it in 2019 - Making Thumbnail that disrespecting Messi - Not even mention Suarez in 2016 - Not even mention Griezmann in 2018 - Saying Modric wasn't deserve it in 2018 - and Many more Now I know why I had a feeling not to subscribe back then, The knowledge is a little bit too much for speaking about football 💀
The thumbnails is to get clicks, and of course he didn't talk about Griezmann or Suarez because those years Ronaldo was the clear ballon d'or winner if he talks about every contender the video would be 3 hours, because he would have to mention way more players than just the ones you said and last I am big Modric fan, even have jersey of his but it's not that insane saying Ronaldo deserved it over him
the Sneijder 2010 argument is one of the biggest fallacies in football. He was not even best player in Inter that year, it was Diego Milito then Lucio as a close second. Sneijder played 24 games only in Serie A that year. In champions league, Messi was player of the tournament. Sneijder did have an excellent World Cup but was not even player of the tournament or win the thing either. How did he deserve it over Messi who had 81 goal contributions and dozens of legendary performances? 😂
so what did messi do in 2010 wc les come to that scoring 0 goals and 1 assists knocked out in r16 while atleast that guy scored 6 goals and 1 assists -9999 iq knowledge u have 😂
@@sweetcjcj8503 if you actually watched football in 2010, you’d know that Sneijder was nowhere near Messi level. Yes, he had a great World Cup but his WC campaign was not enough to level up with any of the top 3 contenders; Messi, Xavi and Iniesta
During 1991 - 2009, the "FIFA Player of the Year" was considered the highest individual award in football. During that period, the Balon d'Or a.k.a European Footballer of the Year was considered the lesser award. If you look back at all the winners of the FIFA Player of the Year and Balon d'Or winners from 1991 - 2009, the winners of the FIFA Player of the Year award were always considered the best player during their respective years
This is a debatable take. Whilst the winners of the award may have been more justified at times, the Ballon D'or has always been the most prestigious due to its history and the one players wanted to win. The FIFA World player of the year had a few years head start in including players outside Europe, but the Ballon D'or quickly changed in 1995 to keep with this when more foreign players influenced Europe's top leagues. The problem is, neither award has had a clear criteria of who is 'the best', making it controversial almost every year since social media was invented.
The fifa player of the year is still a very valuable award right now. But at the moment the ballan d’or is the most popular and every players favourite award to win.
The Fifa world player of the year award was the more prestigious at the time prior to 2009.Balondor only started gaining its fame n importance when Fifa merged with balondor from 2010-2015 n ever since it has been viewed in high regard.The Messi-Ronaldo rivalry just helped further in fuelling its popularity n importance/value.
@Personguyidk yeah that year was 2020 cuz of sextuple and corona took it.There is no way 2021 should have been Lewandowski.Chelsea won the ucl this season.italy won the euro and argentina with messi won copa.
I’m sorry but Messi and Ronaldo definitely deserved it between 2008-2017 period and it’s not even close or up to debate idc about if their teams won trophies or not it’s an individual award and the numbers these two goats were putting up these years were absurd I mean utterly ridiculous and will never probably be replicated at that caliber ever again so I don’t wanna hear other players deserved it during those years now outside of that period I can agree but during those years it’s all them no debate period.
The fact that this guy saw Ronaldo holding bronze and Messi holding silver but still said Ronaldo was 2nd and Messi was 3rd really makes me question his football and general knowledge in awards
You have to remember after 2021, the balon d’or became based on the season not the calendar year. That’s why the 2022 World Cup had to be considered in the 2023 balon d’or
One of the goats😂 too many fools don’t understand football and watch it seems. Messi should have won the dor every year from 2009-2022, he is far above everyone in terms of individual play, statistics, eye test etc.
@@tahaireewin7562 no he wasn’t just cause you score more goals doesn’t mean you have better statistics💀messi was the best in every other statistic while scoring in way less shots messi is a statistical glitch that we will never see again. Lol
@@jakek3653 So do you know more than football gernalist then?Ronaldo in 2015 had the better statistics you can search it up on messivstonaldo if you want proof
I think the reason why Messi Win in 2023 Ballondor and why the World Cup Count is because Balloondor 2023 Start in August 2022 and End july 2023 Since World Cup start in November to December 2022 It Count and in that years Messi also win 3 Team Trophy same as Man City But he also have 10 Individual Awards during that Being Top Assister in the World Cup and MVP definitely a achievement
The biggest Robbery is 2013 Ballondor, Penaldo didn't win a single trophy nor golden boot and won the awards when Ribery won Champions League and Messi won Golden boot and La Liga. Shamenin video uploader.
@@andrekoerber7334Zidane is most overrated footballer ever he shouldn't even be listed among the greats, Maradona and Cruyff were legends and inferior toMessi.
@ChosenOne563 Here we have a great sign of mental illness. I'm not sure what to call this disease but we will find a name to call the insane level of glazing.
and he absolutely deserved it. But if he didn't, it should've go to Messi, not Ribery. Yes he won everything with Bayern, but Ronaldo and Messi were on another level individually. I think Bayern would've won everything they won even without Ribery as they also had prime Robben, prime Neuer, Scheiwnsteiger, Kroos, Muller, among many other great players playing great
@@MinecraftSebsPro NO he WASN'T. He did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that year to win this award. NOTHING. Not the best scorer (won by Messi), not the best assistant, NO, he DIDN'T deserve it over Ribery. You were a fucking toddler at that time. So you know shit about those year.
Messi's goal contribution in 2011 is 59goals +37 assists=96 while Ronaldo's is60+18= 78 difference of 18 and you say they're close? Something is missing, either you got this wrong too or you the number of games and you didn't soecify that
Well he also said Rivaldo had 29 goals and 18 assists in 48 matches and the proceeded to say he had more goal contributions than games played. I’m not a mathematician but 29+18 is 47 which is less than 48
When Messi wins with titles - “Titles don’t matter ” When Messi doesn’t win and literally has the best stats - “Stats don’t matter” What are these opinions ? 😂😂
Actually Neymar in 2017 was far better than neymar in 2015. Ronaldo wasn't even the top goalscorer it was messi 😂. But neymar deserved the balloon dor in 2017 for his performance. Pendu robbed him😂😂
Messi smashed VVD for 3-0 carrying a subpar Barcelona team and his defense let him down in the second leg. Had this been the final or Dembele scored the goal Messi handed him on a silver platter Messi would've won the UCL again. Lmao. Messi was so clearly the best player in the world in 2019 it's not even funny 😂
Very bad ball knowledge if you think 2019 Messi was average for him and also you failed to mention his copa win in 2021 which is probably the main reason why he won the ballon do’r
People should keep their ego aside and they need to think not just statistically, but also the impact that player brings for the team. Not just that, even how he made the game play throughout the season, how much pressure one had on himself to carry a side which wasnt that much favoured, and also the importance of tournaments he won beside all his personal achievements. I don't think that people who fight over ronaldo and messi ever think about these things. Im sure there are more things to look about. They both are the best player ever to exist, just see how other football legends managed to get just one ballon d'or, but these two are just built different.
Ballon d'or is an individual award so it should be awarded for the best player. If anyone is crying about Messi he had the most g+a in 9 seasons/years so as the best player he deserved more
OK here we go this is how the Ballon dor should of gone from 2008-2024 2008-ronaldo 2009-messi 2010-sjneider 2011-messi 2012-messi 2013-ribery 2014-ronaldo 2015-messi 2016-ronaldo 2017-ronaldo 2018-ronaldo 2019-van dijk 2020-lewandowski 2021-lewandowski 2022-benzema 2023-haaland Sneijder 1 Haaland 1 Van dijk 1 Lewandowski 2 Messi 4 Ronaldo 5 Can you shut up now
You are impolite by showing the pictures with the label on Messi saying robbery. I think you should be respectful to the work Messi has done. Insulting him means insulting all those who appreciate what he has done in his career.
The last of Messis trophys was I think the first time the ballon d'or was given for a season, not a year, therefore Messi had his Paris St. Germain campaign and the World cup, while the Inter Miami time wasnt taken to account
@@Halamadridsiu7 Messi vs Haaland 2023 Messi 🇦🇷 Goals - 41 Assist - 26 G/A - 67 Wc G/A - 10 Trophies - France super Cup, ligue 1 France, WORLD CUP Individual awards - golden ball Achievements - WORLD CUP POTT MOST WORLD CUP MOTM FIFA THE BEST PLAYMAKER IFFHS BESR GOAL SCORER IFFHS BEST PLAY MAKER LAURS WOLRD SPORTSMAN Haaland 🇳🇴 Goals - 56 Assist - 10 G/A - 66 Trophies - PREMIER LEAGUE, FA CUP, CHAMPION LEAGUE Individual awards - European Golden Boot Achievements - UCL TOPSCORER, PREMIER LEAGUE TOPSCORER WINNER - MESSI 🐐🇦🇷🏆
To be honest , Messi deserves every ballon d’or he’s ever won because he always put up individual statistics and performances that are hard to argue ..I was an Inter Milan fan during Mourinho’s reign as a coach, because I love Mourinho, and I was rooting for Sneija( pardon my spelling), but Messi’s individual statistics and performances were unparalleled…So, he deserved it…2013 CR7 ballon d’or was probably the worst robbery in the history of ballon d’or….He did not win a single trophy and he did not put out great numbers in terms individual statistics….In 2020, Robert Lewandoski was supposed to pick up the award, but the organizers decided to cancel the ceremony due to COVID-19 even though football was played that year…Messi was not responsible for the cancellation of award ceremony in 2020….As Mourinho said, Messi winning multiple ballon d’or awards is never robbery because he deserves it…Messi, again, was the clear winner in 2021 given his individual statistics….It would not make sense for organizers give sacrifice 2021 award ceremony for the 2020 award…The organizers must award Robert Lewandoski his 2020 ballon d’or because that was his year…2021 belonged to Messi…I was initially rooting for Halaand for the award in 2022 because I thought that Argentina was going to win the World Cup…The moment Messi won the World Cup, I changed my mind…If winning ballon d’or is based on individual performances and statistics, Messi would have at least 13 ballon d’or….You are obviously biased because you didn’t highlight the 2013 robbery because CR7 won it…That was the worst robbery in the history of ballon d’or…A player finished a season without a single a trophy for club or country, did not put out great numbers in terms of individual performance and statistics, yet he took home the ballon d’or…smh…Messi is the GOAT…..
this is why messi fans are outright deluded your gonna say 2013 was a robbery coz cr7 won nothing but the years messi wins nothing or minor trophies its justified
2003 nedved did deserve the award. He led his team to win the most competitive league at the time (go research if u think I’m wrong) and also carried his team to a ucl final, defeating big teams like Barca and real on his run with amazing individual performances. Where Henry should’ve rly stepped up was the ucl (the most prestigious club tournament then and now) where arsenal were js underwhelming, him included. Stats aren’t everything.
If its just about having more goals then why didn't Messi win it in 2016,2017'&2018 when he was statistically better than any other player over the calendar year??Heck Messi in 2018 had over 85G/A goal contributions than any player over a calendar year,won the domestic double with barca,won the pichichi,la liga player of the season,5th european golden shoe n best IFFHS playmaker of the year the same period in 2018.And u know what?despite all that achievements he finished a distance 5th in the balondor rankings.With that logic what makes pendu a worthy winner in 2013 when everybody knew Ribery deserved it??Calm ur meat clown.
Average American doesn't know a thing about football and calling cr7 the goat, Messi is the goat of football man, you know damn well messi didn't rob any balon d'Ors
Bro hadn't watched the 02/03 season. Nedvěd was the motor and the heart of Juventus. And to this day I still believe that his absence in the champions league finals was the reason Juve didn't win. He was attacking, defending, passing, taking brutal fouls without crying and he had grit. Comparing footballers from different leagues based just on goals and assists shows ignorance. This era was the peak of italian defenders and Serie A was the most defensive league from the top 5. This is not a diss of Thierry Henry, but 02/03 had a clear alpha dog in Europe and it was Nedvěd. The voting showed that and it wasn't even close.
FYI: 2018 onwards the Balandor was based on season performance not calendar year hence why the world cup was included for the 2023 balandor. They didnt do it just so Messi would win.
2021 is no way lewa had a chance. Looking at the history we know that international trophies matter alot. And Bundesliga is a farmers league, so definitely he didn't deserved that.
@@ShaunMphoMotau coz 113 g/a is > 58 g/a and he too went to the finale even though he lost. And he also won the Champions League, La Liga, Copa del Rey, European Super Cup and Club World Cup that year. Alexis besides the copa America won the FA Cup and english supercup. I agree he was a title contender but the runner up of copa America is also no loser besides the other trophies and stats made him far better than Alexis.
messi didnt deserve 2021 and 2010 and 2019 2010 shouldve been either xavi or iniesta and sneijder Xavi and iniesta was a crucial part in spain world cup win Sneijder won the treble and a world cup finalist 2019 vandjik deserve it hes stats was out of this world as a defender and no player dribbled through him that season 2021 lewandoski deserve it He broke the bundesliga most goals record that havent been broken in a decade and hes trophy talk for themselve
Messi should have won in 2018 over Modric and Ronaldo. Look at the stats. With people constantly complaining about this and that, let's just call it how it is.
@@delfinosierraa It's an award given for the year. Real Madrid won the Champions league but finished miles behind Barcelona in the league and Copa del Rey (both of their domestic competitions). Messi also had better goal and assist tallies than everyone by a decent margin. Even if you choose another player, to have him 5th was a joke.
In the 18/19 season, Messi ranked first in all attack indicators, including goals, assists, big chance making, dribbling, and key passes, in statistics from Europe's top five leagues. There is no football player who can do this. Even at that time, Barcelona was a mess and was a one-man team that only relied on Messi in every game.
In 2019 we all know Messi was top scorer in laliga, ucl, and accross all competition, but the difference is Messi won most man of the match awards way more than Van Dijk. In 2021 Messi won his first Copa America as the player of the tournament and top scorer of the tournament, that made the difference between Messi and Lewandowski. Copa America is a Continental Trophy so it waight a lot when it comes to ballon d'or.
Applying your 2021 Logic to 2019....Bernardo Silva won everything in England, was the best city player that year and won the Uefa Nations League with Portugal being named the player of the tournament. Just like Copa America, Nations League is also a continental tournament. The only competition he did not won that year (but reach the semis I think) was the Champions League. So why did Messi won it in 2019?
@@joaobpinto You know, applying my logic, both in 2019 and 2021 the difference that Messi made is, he won most man of the matchs awards in both the seasons, way more than any other players and most of the man of the matchs awards was in important matchs. Not only that he was also the top scorer and player of the tournament as well.
This video just seems to be pegged on the creaters hatred of Messi than actual reality. 2019 he singlehandedly almost won a treble by himself for a bad Barcelona squad with how complete he was. 2021 he had only 8 less goals than Lewandowski and had 9 more assists while being far superiour in all the other stats including even defending while being a playmaker while lewy is a striker. Then you (intentionaly and childishly) fail to mention that he won the Copa America while also being the best player and top scorer. Coming to 2022 its just dumb to expect him not to win it after having the world cup performance that he had which is the greatest sporting competition ever. Cry more
@@CO7isMe You Messi and Ronaldo fans are so cringe and embarrasing. Before the WC CR7 was considered the 2nd best player or on par with Messi. Now they say he's not even top 5 yet nothing has changed except Messi winning WC. Before Messi won any international trophy he was made fun of everywhere. Now they say that his trophies don't matter and that the WC was just a 7 game tournament which is rigged. Grow the FU and respect footballers
Messi deserved a balon d or for 7 awarded penalties? When Haalnd broke records his first PL season? Stop this nonsense... Messi is great but his name carries him to some of the biggest robberies the world of sports has ever seen
Saying Modric is a robbery is little ball knowledge. It's no ones fault that you cant judge midfielders by goals. So its hard to say Ronaldo was BY FAR better than Modric on the club level considering they won everything. Amd Modric was the best player in the World Cup. It's honestly one of the clearest awards.
so compare that to 2010 messi how come he won while even senider was a cm who has 40+g/a has scored 6 goals and 1 assists while messi 0 goals and 1 assists didn't even make to quater finals not wining any treble or ucl that season meanwhile he won treble in 2010 and made to wc finals and whereas ronaldo has better stats compared to messi in 2010 wc and 2018 wc having 4 goals and 0 assists in 4 games unlike messi in 4 games 0 goals has 15 goals and modric with 13 g/a now tell me what is it u try to defend here 😆 is it the playmaking ability bruh cm always has that ability ik messi has that but look at that team bruh pass the ball everyone will net it
08-Ronaldo 09-Messi 10-Messi(Sneijder, Xavi or Inesta should have won) 11-Messi 12-Messi 13-Ronaldo(Ribery should have won) 14-Ronaldo 15-Messi 16-Ronaldo 17-Ronaldo 18-Modric(Ronaldo should have won) 19-Messi(Van Dijk should have won) 20-Lewandowski(Not given) 21-Messi(Lewandowski should have won) 22-Benzema 23-Messi(Haaland should have won) Ronaldo-5 Deserved Ballon d'or Messi-4 Deserved Ballon d'or *I am in no way biased but this is how the Ballon d'or should have been handed out, maybe either 22 or 23 Ballon d'or should have been Messi's Deservedly but both Benzema and Haaland had excellent seasons even if Messi won the World Cup.
I don't care about messi Ronaldo debate. their numbers are insanely fantastic their football was something else i was blessed to see both them play we will definitely miss this guys
Every time CR7 won it (Balon d'or) every Tom, Dcik & Harry had an opinion but when the Midget was given those Balon D'or' by FIFA then everyone kept quiet.🤬🤬🤬🤬
Ballon dor lost it’s value a long time ago (no hate against Messi in fact I also say 2013 was Ribéry but just can’t believe the last 3 ballon dor Messi have won if you look at stats and titles and then look at Ronaldo 2018 who can’t win it and I believe World Cup is a big thing for them who win but yet in 2010 Xavi and Iniesta not won even tho they have good stats and won ucl and World Cup, la Liga but then in 2023 Messi won World Cup while Haaland won the treble in the best league wish way better stats but not win I just don’t see point in ballon dor anymore if you not vote the best player (2023 I think Rodri was clear tho won national league wish Spain and the treble) while score the winner goal in ucl final
But the Thing is Messi in 2010 have this Many award: 60 Goals/17 Assists Most Goal Most G/A Golden Boot Ucl Top Scorer La Liga top scorer La Liga POTY La Liga UEFA Super Cup Club World Cup Spain Super Cup And in the 2023 Ballondor Run Messi have 41 Goals/26 Assists World Cup MVP Golden Ball WC Silver Boot WC Top Assister Ligue 1, Top Assister French Super Cup and Mvp IFFHS Playmaker 2022 Fifa Best 2022 While Halaand have 56 Goals/10 Assists FA Cup Premier League Champions League Premier League MVP, Young MVP, Top Scorer Champions League Top Scorers It may be weird why World Cup count when it in 2022 but the Balondor 2023 Run started in August 2022 and End on July 2023 Since Worlds Cup start in 2022 November and end in December 2022 It count
Cristiano Ronaldo in 2013 by himself he scored a hat trick against Sweden and in 2018 ronaldo scored a hat trick against Spain to come from the dead🐐🐐🇵🇹🇵🇹(Cristiano Ronaldo is the most complete player in history in 2008)
to win it or did they rob it from someone else? So we’re going to look at the last 25 winners and find out exactly how good these players were... If you enjoyed
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To the Messi fans in the comments, I’m just putting forward the debate that floats around. He is one of the GOATS undeniably.
Says a penaldo fan boy.U r so biased yet u need to be neutral n objective in ur analysis being the creator of ur channel.How do u expect to get more subscribers n consequently views if u portray this kind on nonsensical biase!
@@desmondachocky537 stfu he Cleary said Ronaldo lost the 2013 ballon dor and he said it was fucking controversial ballon dor wins NOT confirmed he lost it u dumbas
@@desmondachocky537 stfu he Cleary said Ronaldo lost the 2013 ballon dor and he never said Messi didn't deserve all the ballon dors he said it was controversial dumbas
@@desmondachocky537 bro ain't he Messi fan boy? I thought he was a Messi fan boy
@@Fahmiplayz I am neither hahah. I am neutral trying to drive debate
Considering Messi and Ronaldo numbers and now seeing the Vini number and how he is pegged for the Balon D Or ..Messi and Ronaldo are on different Goat levels than current generation or even generation before
fax the goats are simply incomparable to footballers of today or of all time
Vinicius should not be among the first 3.
Heck the standards are now being extremely lowered.
Reason why they dominated for so long
It’s sad I feel bad for the children growing up watching football/soccer now I was lucky enough to see these two goats go at it and I remember as a jhit being a die hard Messi fan and like hated Ronaldo but now that I’m older idc I love both and I appreciate both so much because I don’t think there will ever be any others like them like today the best in the world don’t even come close to their levels which they did consistently that’s what sets them apart truly appreciative to see them at the peak of their powers
You argue that snijder should've won in 2010 because stats don't matter, then say haaland deserved because of stats.
Bro watches sky sports for football knowledge it seems.
Typical Seasonal fan
Haaland had the trophies and the stats
haalnds trophies were as good as messis or even better. a treble isnt a easy thing. not only the treble he won many other awards too
@@zenzai59 Sorry but a treble is not even close to being as impressive as the World Cup. You're out of your mind if you think so.
@@ItsShahed17 Someone wins a world cup every 4 years, how often are trebles done in the major leagues?
You can win a world cup by stringing a handful of good games, or just ride your luck. To win 3 major trophies in one year generally takes a lot of consistency
@@zenzai59 Consistency? Please let me know how many goals Erling scored in knockout games.
How are you gonna say Messi didnt deserve it in 2019? He carried a broken Barcelona to the semifinals of the Champions League getting MVP each game and also doing the same thing in La Liga, as soon as i heard you say he didnt deserve i knew you didnt even watching him perform and only did the video based of stats and tiktok clips lmao
True, he won a double with great individual statistics also reached the Champions League Semi-Final
2021 was the same carried Barca and Argentina and 50% of his goals were absolute screamers
didnt say it wasnt deserved. said there was controversy and it probably could have gone to Van Dijk
He didn’t deserve it
Even if a top team is broken its still a top team point invalid..m
Thrust me Messis ballon dor 2019 is one of the most deserved he has, he single handedly carried Barcelona all the way, and not to even talk of the skills and goal types he showed that year
When has a defender ever had a stat of not being past😂 i dont even like liverpool but van dijk had A phenomenal season
@@KanyeEast-rb3tx messi won in 2019 golden shoe and IFFHS World's Best Playmaker literally no one in the history of football has won two such awards in his career, and Messi won them in one year, messi won also fifa the best, he was champions league top scorer, laliga top scorer, Laliga Best Player, i think messi deserved 2019 ballon dor
@@KanyeEast-rb3tx Even Vin djik voted for Messi
@@JasurbekAbduvohidov-z4v first of all Messi had the highest goal of 36 and took the golden boot, second messi was tired with muller that year with 21 assists foe both players, second messi dribbled past van dike, Messi had the most dribble that year, he scored over half 2/5 of barcas goal that season, he single handled carried barca, don't even mention Lewandoski cause he was not even shining then. You just be talking on statistics that you dont even know.
@@JasurbekAbduvohidov-z4v first of all yo, he did not flop the champions league, he was removed from the semi final, its his personal effort that carried that team to that level, and second copa America was not played that year, so gather ur facts well. Lastly, the success of Liverpool was due to the whole team effort, the reason the Uefa best was given to van dyke was because they won the champions league and that award was to go to the best in the team not the best player for the whole calender year. If you think Messi did not deserve that ballon dor, then its fair you say he did not deserve a single ballon dor at all
Bro didnt even mention Griezmann in the 2018 Ballon Do’r, get your ball knowledge straight m8
Also didn’t mention Luis Suarez 15/16 season
@@demonz3943he will always live in messi shadow. Like di maria & neymar. That’s why neymar chose to leave
Grizzy got grouped in UCL
@@debmalyachatterjee22World Cup performance and la liga lil bro
@@Bampissso how many ballondor did paymar win
Here's why of Messi's balloon d'Ors were deserved:
So first,the 2010 balloon d'Or as you guys say the two runner ups were Iniesta and Sneijder, I'll start with Sneijder.
GOATESSI in 2010:
- LALIGA ✅
- LALIGA top scorer ✅
- Picchini ✅
- Copa Del Rey ✅
- Spanish Super Copa ✅
- UCL top scorer ✅
- UCL top assister ✅
- UEFA Men's Player ✅
- LALIGA POTY✅
- 61 goals (only one pen scored) ⚽
- 17 assists 🎯
- 78 G/A
- European golden boot ✅
Iniesta's trophies are almost as same as Messi but he just got more because he won the WC,and Iniesta just ghosted and was injured for like ⅓ of the season and got carried he only scored 9 goals and provided 13 assists which is nowhere near Messi I also know that you'll say "🤡Iniesta is a midfielder🤡"ok as a midfielder he should have more assists than Messi why he couldn't?and for Sneijder:
- UCL✅
- Seire A✅
- Coppa Italia✅
- UCL top scorer❌(Messi)
- UCL top assister❌(Messi)
- Coppa Italia top scorer❌(Paolo Di Canio)
- Coppa Italia top assister❌(Totti)
- Seire A top scorer❌ (Anotnio De Natale)
- Seire A top assister❌(Javier Pastore)
Still not convinced?in the 2010 season Messi broke the record for the best individual performance in knockout stages, scoring a super-hatrick against Arsenal, I don't think I should yap anymore lol.
The 2nd Balloon d'Or and it's the 2015 Balloon d'Or, whoever thought that Messi didn't deserve it doesn't have ball knowledge
Messi vs Neymar statistics in all competitions and the 2015 UCL:
2015 UCL first:
- Goals
Messi:10 = Neymar:10
- Assists
Messi:5 > Neymar:0
- G/A
Messi:15 > Neymar:10
- Dribbles completed
Messi 53 > Neymar 22
- Key passes
Messi 32 > Neymar 22
- Big chances created
Messi 18 > Neymar 10
Messi vs Neymar's statics in 2015 overall:
- Goals
Messi 58 > Neymar 39
- Assists
Messi 31 > Neymar 10
- Dribbles completed
Messi 267 > Neymar 155
- Key passes
Messi 85 > Neymar 63
- Big chances created
Messi 40 > Neymar 25
I don't think this needs a really long conversation because Messi is just better
The third balloon d'Or is the 2019 balloon d'Or and "😢🤡 Van dijk"
Messi's individual awards and trophies in 2019:
- LALIGA
- LALIGA POTY
- LALIGA best player
- Copa Del Rey
- Spanish Super Copa
- Picchini
- Fifa best
- European golden boot
- IFFHS World's Best Playmaker award
Van dijk's all individual awards and trophies:
- UCL
- UEFA Men's Player
- FA cup
- PFA players' of the year award
- EPL
- EPL player of the season
You see Van dijk was playing with prime Liverpool,while Messi was carrying dead Barca team,he was doing very well and scored a 36 yard freekick against Liverpool,but unfortunately Dembele stole Pique's goal that was delivered by an extraordinary pass from Messi and cost us the UCL
The 4th balloon d'Or is the 2021 balloon d'Or and Lewa was the runner up so here's the both sides' statics, trophies and individual awards
Messi's trophies in total:
- Copa Del Rey
- Copa America
- Ligue 1
Messi's individual awards in 2019:
- Copa best player award
- Copa top scorer
- Copa Del Rey MVP
- Copa golden boot winner
- LALIGA top scorer
And here's Messi's statics that excels Lewa's stats:
- Assists:17
- MOTM awards:28
- Key passes:100
- Big chances created:26
- Pre-assists:
- Succesful dribbles:188
- Proggresive carries:620
- Carries into the Final Third:229
- Carries into Penalty Box:69
- Passes into the Final Third:
- Passes into Penalty Area:
- Through balls:27
- 39 games with 8+ rating
- Highest rated player in every competition
NOTE:
No player has won an international trophy with being the top scorer,top assister and winning player of the tournament award apart from Messi
Lewa's stats in 2021:
- Most goals (51)
- Most missed chances (30)
Trophies:
- Bundesliga
Bundesliga is mid cuz it was farmed for 11 years in a row by Bayern so winning it won't be as special tho
Individual awards:
- Golden boot
Messi cooked him, and if Lewa won that no one was gonna talk tbh
And for the last part and yeah Haaland the Ghost
Messi vs Halaand not even close😴
Messi's trophies in 2023:
- WC
- Ligue 1
- Leagues cup
Messi's individual awards in 2023:
- WC golden ball
- Laurens award
- Ligue 1 POTY in 2023
- WC Final MOTM
- WC silver boot
- IFFHS playmaker awardin 2023
- IFFHS Best national scorer in 2023
- Ligue 1 top assister (As 2 CMS and RW in each time)
Statistics:
- Goals: Haaland 56 > 41 (41 is amazing for a CM at PSG)
- Assists: Messi 26 > 10
- G/A: Messi 67 > 61
Messi's records:
- 26 goals in major tournaments, the most of any South American
- Most World cup games (broken after decades)
- Most World cup golden balls
- Most goal involvements
- First to score in every stage in the game after decades
- Most goals for Argentina
- Oldest and youngest player to score and assist in the WC
- MOTM in every stage of the WC
- Most minutes played in WC history
- Problems: Penalties in the WC, nothing else. He was amazing for PSG despite playing in 3 positions in one game:RW and CM twice. So if you are still complaining about PSG keep crying If you can't understand this PSG's midfield was sh*t,so Messi had to adapt to their playstyle and be defensive, the proof is that Messi had some defensive duties and there's also some defensive stats he had that season
Haaland in 2023:
Trophies:
- EPL
- UCL
- FA Cup
Records:
- Most goals in an EPL season
- Top UCL goal scorer
- Top EPL goal scorer
- UEFA Best player
- Most tapins
- Most international goals
- Most assists by Bernardo Silva,KDB and Foden
- Problems: 50+ goals were tapins, ghosted in all finals and semi-finals, no goals no assists, 90+ misses and even Ederson had more touches
More:
- Messi's WC final rating: 9.0 , 2 Goals
- Haalands UCL final rating: 6.7 , 0 Goals and 1 Yellow card
Haaland in Finals and Semi-finals:
UCL
- RMA: 0 Goals, 0 Assists
- RMA 2nd leg: 0 Goals, 0 Assists
- Inter: 0 Goals, 0 Assists
UEFA Super cup
- Sevilla: 0 Goals, 0 Assists
Community Shield
- Arsenal: 0 Goals, 0 Assists
- Liverpool: 0 Goals, 0 Assists
FA Cup
- Shiffield United: 0 Goals, 0 Assists
- Man United: 0 Goals, 0 Assists
Haaland in Finals and Semi-finals for Manchester City • 8 games
- 0 Goals
- 0 Assists
- 7 B.C.M
Messi in WC with Argentina • 7 games
- 7 Goals
- 3 Assists
- 8.7 Average rating
Leagues cup final
- 1 Goal
- 0 Assists
In addition:
- More dribbles completed
- More Key passes
- Highest Assist to game ratio
- Highest conversion rate
- Saying Messi didn't deserve it in 2019
- Making Thumbnail that disrespecting Messi
- Not even mention Suarez in 2016
- Not even mention Griezmann in 2018
- Saying Modric wasn't deserve it in 2018
- and Many more
Now I know why I had a feeling not to subscribe back then, The knowledge is a little bit too much for speaking about football 💀
The thumbnails is to get clicks, and of course he didn't talk about Griezmann or Suarez because those years Ronaldo was the clear ballon d'or winner if he talks about every contender the video would be 3 hours, because he would have to mention way more players than just the ones you said and last I am big Modric fan, even have jersey of his but it's not that insane saying Ronaldo deserved it over him
@@jersonricardo2444 nah it's insane to actually say that
@@Alpha_Xero I think it all comes to opinions, I don’t think it was undeserved but I don’t think it’s a reach saying it could have gone to Ronaldo
@@jersonricardo2444 yeah, the point is I'm glad I'm not insane
Modric doesn’t deserve it clear as day. Then sneijder 2010 would of count as well right ?? Treble winner & wc finalist ?? No. Bcs you’re messi fanboy
9:58 messi was 2nd and ronaldo was 3rd .Don't spread wrong infomation
Yess Messi was 2nd and Ronaldo was 3rd😂
He is Ronaldo fan bro
messi was 2nd in the fifa best player awards....he was 3rd in ballon dor
Check your facts messi fanboy
you messi stans love to lie, thats just fking false what youre saying
the Sneijder 2010 argument is one of the biggest fallacies in football. He was not even best player in Inter that year, it was Diego Milito then Lucio as a close second. Sneijder played 24 games only in Serie A that year. In champions league, Messi was player of the tournament. Sneijder did have an excellent World Cup but was not even player of the tournament or win the thing either. How did he deserve it over Messi who had 81 goal contributions and dozens of legendary performances? 😂
The same way Modric won his 2018🤷🏽♂️
so what did messi do in 2010 wc les come to that scoring 0 goals and 1 assists knocked out in r16 while atleast that guy scored 6 goals and 1 assists -9999 iq knowledge u have 😂
@@sweetcjcj8503 if you actually watched football in 2010, you’d know that Sneijder was nowhere near Messi level. Yes, he had a great World Cup but his WC campaign was not enough to level up with any of the top 3 contenders; Messi, Xavi and Iniesta
@@chuka6625smart man ❤
@@chuka6625 messi fans stay coping even if he didnt get to the final which he did inter had a spectacular treble season
During 1991 - 2009, the "FIFA Player of the Year" was considered the highest individual award in football. During that period, the Balon d'Or a.k.a European Footballer of the Year was considered the lesser award. If you look back at all the winners of the FIFA Player of the Year and Balon d'Or winners from 1991 - 2009, the winners of the FIFA Player of the Year award were always considered the best player during their respective years
Didn’t know this, very interesting thanks for this
This is a debatable take. Whilst the winners of the award may have been more justified at times, the Ballon D'or has always been the most prestigious due to its history and the one players wanted to win. The FIFA World player of the year had a few years head start in including players outside Europe, but the Ballon D'or quickly changed in 1995 to keep with this when more foreign players influenced Europe's top leagues. The problem is, neither award has had a clear criteria of who is 'the best', making it controversial almost every year since social media was invented.
The fifa player of the year is still a very valuable award right now. But at the moment the ballan d’or is the most popular and every players favourite award to win.
True,exactly.Educate this millenials.
The Fifa world player of the year award was the more prestigious at the time prior to 2009.Balondor only started gaining its fame n importance when Fifa merged with balondor from 2010-2015 n ever since it has been viewed in high regard.The Messi-Ronaldo rivalry just helped further in fuelling its popularity n importance/value.
Messi scored 38 goals in 2022..not 28 goals..
* 38 goals in 2022-23 season but in 2023 calendar year he has 28
@@uludaggazoz9568 That bdor was seasonal
@@agamotto5883 I know
When your idol cant win .. just cry and say robbed
when your idol has fifa dad in your pockets ... just defend and cry 😆
@sweetcjcj8503 Cry?we dont cry lil bro.complaining in what crying is
I mean I always preferred Messi to Ronaldo but can say when one should’ve one or shouldn’t of. Lewa should’ve won
@Personguyidk yeah that year was 2020 cuz of sextuple and corona took it.There is no way 2021 should have been Lewandowski.Chelsea won the ucl this season.italy won the euro and argentina with messi won copa.
@@sweetcjcj8503well pendu sucked off papa perez and var so idl what u on about 😂
I’m sorry but Messi and Ronaldo definitely deserved it between 2008-2017 period and it’s not even close or up to debate idc about if their teams won trophies or not it’s an individual award and the numbers these two goats were putting up these years were absurd I mean utterly ridiculous and will never probably be replicated at that caliber ever again so I don’t wanna hear other players deserved it during those years now outside of that period I can agree but during those years it’s all them no debate period.
They put ballon d'or to another level that we won see it the same
The fact that this guy saw Ronaldo holding bronze and Messi holding silver but still said Ronaldo was 2nd and Messi was 3rd really makes me question his football and general knowledge in awards
Chill hahaha mistakes happen
@@TopBinsFootyy or is it just foolishness
You have to remember after 2021, the balon d’or became based on the season not the calendar year. That’s why the 2022 World Cup had to be considered in the 2023 balon d’or
But not fifa best 2023...
@@Djjffkffkfifa best 2023 goes to messi😂
i can smell the tears when this guy is making the video
One of the goats😂 too many fools don’t understand football and watch it seems. Messi should have won the dor every year from 2009-2022, he is far above everyone in terms of individual play, statistics, eye test etc.
@@tahaireewin7562 messi has been the best player In the world from 2009 to 2022. Besides 2020 Lewandowski was when.
@@tahaireewin7562 no he wasn’t just cause you score more goals doesn’t mean you have better statistics💀messi was the best in every other statistic while scoring in way less shots messi is a statistical glitch that we will never see again. Lol
@@jakek3653 So do you know more than football gernalist then?Ronaldo in 2015 had the better statistics you can search it up on messivstonaldo if you want proof
they use statistics because they dont understand the game. Messi has done thing that nobody has done before on the pitch. that's why he's the GOAT.
exactly
I think the reason why Messi Win in 2023 Ballondor and why the World Cup Count is because
Balloondor 2023 Start in August 2022 and End july 2023
Since World Cup start in November to December 2022
It Count and in that years Messi also win 3 Team Trophy same as Man City
But he also have 10 Individual Awards during that
Being Top Assister in the World Cup and MVP definitely a achievement
And he was so unstoppable
@@lexkanyima2195 4 pen goals 1 missed only 3 from only open play yeah so unstoppable.
@@nieolklimbu bro i think you did'nt even watch the worldcup.
@@nieolklimbu alvarez scored more K.O goals than your so called penaldo even without penalties😂😂 so stop crying now
@@aquibali4949LOL
The best individual player is Messi. The problem, is you mix it this award and team performance.
Zidane, Cruyff and Maradona were better individually.
Cap
The biggest Robbery is 2013 Ballondor, Penaldo didn't win a single trophy nor golden boot and won the awards when Ribery won Champions League and Messi won Golden boot and La Liga.
Shamenin video uploader.
@@andrekoerber7334Zidane is most overrated footballer ever he shouldn't even be listed among the greats, Maradona and Cruyff were legends and inferior toMessi.
@ChosenOne563 Here we have a great sign of mental illness. I'm not sure what to call this disease but we will find a name to call the insane level of glazing.
Everyone is talking about Messi but what about 2013 where CR7 won without any team trophies
This is at his controversy
Not only that, he won over Ribery who won the Treble...
and he absolutely deserved it. But if he didn't, it should've go to Messi, not Ribery. Yes he won everything with Bayern, but Ronaldo and Messi were on another level individually. I think Bayern would've won everything they won even without Ribery as they also had prime Robben, prime Neuer, Scheiwnsteiger, Kroos, Muller, among many other great players playing great
@@MinecraftSebsPro NO he WASN'T. He did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that year to win this award. NOTHING. Not the best scorer (won by Messi), not the best assistant, NO, he DIDN'T deserve it over Ribery.
You were a fucking toddler at that time. So you know shit about those year.
@@MinecraftSebsPro Messi and Cris just had better stats, sad but true.
Messi's goal contribution in 2011 is 59goals +37 assists=96 while Ronaldo's is60+18= 78 difference of 18 and you say they're close? Something is missing, either you got this wrong too or you the number of games and you didn't soecify that
Well he also said Rivaldo had 29 goals and 18 assists in 48 matches and the proceeded to say he had more goal contributions than games played. I’m not a mathematician but 29+18 is 47 which is less than 48
00:24 Zinedine Zidane
01:17 Rivaldo
01:55 Luis Figo
02:40 Michael Owen
03:55 Ronaldo (R9)
05:05 Pavel Nedved
05:55 Andriy Shevchenko
06:50 Ronaldinho
08:06 Fabio Cannavaro
09:10 Ricardo Kaka
10:29 Cristiano Ronaldo
11:25 Lionel Messi
12:20 Lionel Messi (2)
13:35 Lionel Messi (3)
14:23 Lionel Messi (4!! (In a row 🤯))
15:22 Cristiano Ronaldo (2)
16:37 Cristiano Ronaldo (3)
17:35 Lionel Messi (5)
18:28 Cristiano Ronaldo (4)
19:09 Cristiano Ronaldo (5)
19:55 Luka Modric
21:10 Lionel Messi (6)
22:08 Robert Lewandowski (Cancelled 🥲)
22:25 Lionel Messi (7)
23:10 Larim Benzema
23:48 Lionel Messi (8)🐐
24:48 Vini Jr? Erling Haaland? Jude Bellingham? Toni Kroos? (As of this writing on 1 July 2024)
24:55 Kylian Mbappe? Vini Jr? Jude Bellingham? (As of this writing on 1 July 2024)
When Messi wins with titles - “Titles don’t matter ”
When Messi doesn’t win and literally has the best stats - “Stats don’t matter”
What are these opinions ? 😂😂
Messi fans please ignore this video. He is just a Messi hater trying to push debates
He’s getting views it’s his job
Why are people hating this video ? He's not even disrespecting Messi here, he's just stating his opinions! That's pretty respectable
How about the word "robber" along with messi🤓
Not mentioning Neymar in 2015 was a crime
He wasn't even the 2nd best player that season
Actually Neymar in 2017 was far better than neymar in 2015. Ronaldo wasn't even the top goalscorer it was messi 😂. But neymar deserved the balloon dor in 2017 for his performance. Pendu robbed him😂😂
Messi smashed VVD for 3-0 carrying a subpar Barcelona team and his defense let him down in the second leg. Had this been the final or Dembele scored the goal Messi handed him on a silver platter Messi would've won the UCL again. Lmao. Messi was so clearly the best player in the world in 2019 it's not even funny 😂
most of you didnt see nedved play. legend beyond statistics. wesley is completely off his rocker making those claims.
Very bad ball knowledge if you think 2019 Messi was average for him and also you failed to mention his copa win in 2021 which is probably the main reason why he won the ballon do’r
He got all the spurs out of him 💀
Messi is amazing player,humble and good guy,37 years old still winning and 45 trophy now...
People should keep their ego aside and they need to think not just statistically, but also the impact that player brings for the team. Not just that, even how he made the game play throughout the season, how much pressure one had on himself to carry a side which wasnt that much favoured, and also the importance of tournaments he won beside all his personal achievements. I don't think that people who fight over ronaldo and messi ever think about these things. Im sure there are more things to look about. They both are the best player ever to exist, just see how other football legends managed to get just one ballon d'or, but these two are just built different.
Since 2009,the only players who won the ballon,dor was messi or a real madrid player
Ballon d'or is an individual award so it should be awarded for the best player. If anyone is crying about Messi he had the most g+a in 9 seasons/years so as the best player he deserved more
As long as Messi plays, he owns the ballon' for wether you like it or not
OK here we go this is how the Ballon dor should of gone from 2008-2024
2008-ronaldo
2009-messi
2010-sjneider
2011-messi
2012-messi
2013-ribery
2014-ronaldo
2015-messi
2016-ronaldo
2017-ronaldo
2018-ronaldo
2019-van dijk
2020-lewandowski
2021-lewandowski
2022-benzema
2023-haaland
Sneijder 1
Haaland 1
Van dijk 1
Lewandowski 2
Messi 4
Ronaldo 5
Can you shut up now
great video❤
1999- "He scored 29 goals and 18 assists in 48 games, that means he was more goal contributions then games"
😂😂😂😂😂
But he did??
@@jdseditz52929+18=47
@@jdseditz529 29+18= 47 contributions but rivaldo played 48 games
Very good video
You are impolite by showing the pictures with the label on Messi saying robbery. I think you should be respectful to the work Messi has done. Insulting him means insulting all those who appreciate what he has done in his career.
That was mad disrespectful
Factos
Damn yall are pissed 😂
Yeah pure disrespect its like you won anything
Messi is one of the greatest football players of all time. but 2023 was a robbery. shouldve gone haalands way
The last of Messis trophys was I think the first time the ballon d'or was given for a season, not a year, therefore Messi had his Paris St. Germain campaign and the World cup, while the Inter Miami time wasnt taken to account
Just say you hate Messi.
For me 2008:Ronaldo 2009:Messi 2010:Messi 2011:Messi 2012:Messi 2013:Ronaldo 2014:Ronaldo 2015:Messi 2016:Ronaldo 2017:Ronaldo 2018:Ronaldo 2019:Messi 2020:lewy 2021:lewy 2022:Benzema 2023:haaland 2024:vini so Ronaldo 6 Messi 6 lewa 2 vini 1 haaland 1
2021,23 : Messi
@ lewa won more Trophies then Messi more goals too same with haaland
@@Halamadridsiu7 Messi vs Lewandowski 2021
Messi
Goals: 39
Assist: 16
G/A: 55
109 chances created
203 dribbles
MOTMs: 26
Individual awards: 5
Trophies: Copa del Ray, Copa America
Lewandowski
Goals: 46
Assist: 7
G/A: 53
53 chances created
43 dribbles
MOTMs: 15
Individual awards: 4
@@Halamadridsiu7 Messi vs Haaland 2023
Messi 🇦🇷
Goals - 41
Assist - 26
G/A - 67
Wc G/A - 10
Trophies - France super Cup, ligue 1 France, WORLD CUP
Individual awards - golden ball
Achievements -
WORLD CUP POTT
MOST WORLD CUP MOTM
FIFA THE BEST PLAYMAKER
IFFHS BESR GOAL SCORER
IFFHS BEST PLAY MAKER
LAURS WOLRD SPORTSMAN
Haaland 🇳🇴
Goals - 56
Assist - 10
G/A - 66
Trophies - PREMIER LEAGUE, FA CUP, CHAMPION LEAGUE
Individual awards - European Golden Boot
Achievements - UCL TOPSCORER, PREMIER LEAGUE TOPSCORER
WINNER - MESSI 🐐🇦🇷🏆
Even as a messi fan the 2013 ballan d or was definently deserved to Ronaldo with 69 goals😂
Love the channel
To be honest , Messi deserves every ballon d’or he’s ever won because he always put up individual statistics and performances that are hard to argue ..I was an Inter Milan fan during Mourinho’s reign as a coach, because I love Mourinho, and I was rooting for Sneija( pardon my spelling), but Messi’s individual statistics and performances were unparalleled…So, he deserved it…2013 CR7 ballon d’or was probably the worst robbery in the history of ballon d’or….He did not win a single trophy and he did not put out great numbers in terms individual statistics….In 2020, Robert Lewandoski was supposed to pick up the award, but the organizers decided to cancel the ceremony due to COVID-19 even though football was played that year…Messi was not responsible for the cancellation of award ceremony in 2020….As Mourinho said, Messi winning multiple ballon d’or awards is never robbery because he deserves it…Messi, again, was the clear winner in 2021 given his individual statistics….It would not make sense for organizers give sacrifice 2021 award ceremony for the 2020 award…The organizers must award Robert Lewandoski his 2020 ballon d’or because that was his year…2021 belonged to Messi…I was initially rooting for Halaand for the award in 2022 because I thought that Argentina was going to win the World Cup…The moment Messi won the World Cup, I changed my mind…If winning ballon d’or is based on individual performances and statistics, Messi would have at least 13 ballon d’or….You are obviously biased because you didn’t highlight the 2013 robbery because CR7 won it…That was the worst robbery in the history of ballon d’or…A player finished a season without a single a trophy for club or country, did not put out great numbers in terms of individual performance and statistics, yet he took home the ballon d’or…smh…Messi is the GOAT…..
yeh scoring 0 goals and 1 aissts and ko in r16 while sneijder has 6 goals and 1 assists in wc campaign that year left your brain
@@sweetcjcj8503no way you think Sneijder was actually better than Messi. He was good yeah but don’t compare him to Messi in any year
The worst robbery in football history it's lewandowski in 2021, Messi didn't deserve 3 or 4 ballon d'ors, and goat ?? Please stop the cap 😂
this is why messi fans are outright deluded your gonna say 2013 was a robbery coz cr7 won nothing but the years messi wins nothing or minor trophies its justified
@@thasensei5120pessi fans are delusional 😂😂😂😂😂
2003 nedved did deserve the award. He led his team to win the most competitive league at the time (go research if u think I’m wrong) and also carried his team to a ucl final, defeating big teams like Barca and real on his run with amazing individual performances. Where Henry should’ve rly stepped up was the ucl (the most prestigious club tournament then and now) where arsenal were js underwhelming, him included.
Stats aren’t everything.
I love how in every other season he mentions goals and assists then in 2021 he just uses goals to try and make lewandowski seem better lol🤡
1:27 he had 47 goal contributions and 48 games
Its funny how Ronaldo says that the ballon d'or is losing credibility, but didn't say that in 2013😂😂😂😂
If so then why was Messi 2nd ranked that year and not ribery ,ribery should have been at least second right
@@architkakad9435either Messi or Ribery. That win in 2013 was easily a biggest robbery of all time.
@@lexkanyima2195Then Zlatan deserved the 2012 ballon dor
@@lexkanyima2195😂😂😂 this is getting hilarious Ronaldo has more goals than messi and ribery combined
If its just about having more goals then why didn't Messi win it in 2016,2017'&2018 when he was statistically better than any other player over the calendar year??Heck Messi in 2018 had over 85G/A goal contributions than any player over a calendar year,won the domestic double with barca,won the pichichi,la liga player of the season,5th european golden shoe n best IFFHS playmaker of the year the same period in 2018.And u know what?despite all that achievements he finished a distance 5th in the balondor rankings.With that logic what makes pendu a worthy winner in 2013 when everybody knew Ribery deserved it??Calm ur meat clown.
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Average American doesn't know a thing about football and calling cr7 the goat, Messi is the goat of football man, you know damn well messi didn't rob any balon d'Ors
Bro shut up
Messi fans in shambles
@@khosta6690 wait till u see Ronaldo fans
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He robbed 3 bro 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bro hadn't watched the 02/03 season. Nedvěd was the motor and the heart of Juventus. And to this day I still believe that his absence in the champions league finals was the reason Juve didn't win.
He was attacking, defending, passing, taking brutal fouls without crying and he had grit.
Comparing footballers from different leagues based just on goals and assists shows ignorance. This era was the peak of italian defenders and Serie A was the most defensive league from the top 5.
This is not a diss of Thierry Henry, but 02/03 had a clear alpha dog in Europe and it was Nedvěd. The voting showed that and it wasn't even close.
Nah Messi in the thumbnail 💀
Edit: dude why is there a debate going on in the comment
What did the thumbnail do ?
MESSI IS THE GOAT. RONALDO SUCKS
Id like to see u get as close as Ronaldo ever was
@@Azozozzyi like Ronaldo but the thumbnail was pretty disrespectful ngl
It is for Penaldo Fan to click and watch this video to boost their ego for being right (their wrong)
FYI: 2018 onwards the Balandor was based on season performance not calendar year hence why the world cup was included for the 2023 balandor. They didnt do it just so Messi would win.
Which Balon Dor was the biggest Robbery???
Lewandoski
Nedved from henry
Lewandoski
van dijk
Ribbery the only balon for that the voting was extended because someone had scored a hatrick in a mere world cup qualifier
Plus he had more goal contributions than Haaland
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The dumbest youtubers and a fan of crybaby and fake GOAT Tapinaldo.
Bro was the greatest robber of all time😂
2021 is no way lewa had a chance. Looking at the history we know that international trophies matter alot. And Bundesliga is a farmers league, so definitely he didn't deserved that.
Well explained
But it didnt applies to any other country past 2006. Cause it only count when argentina/portugal win something.
Why didn't Alexis Sanchez win it in 2015
@@ShaunMphoMotau coz 113 g/a is > 58 g/a and he too went to the finale even though he lost. And he also won the Champions League, La Liga, Copa del Rey, European Super Cup and Club World Cup that year. Alexis besides the copa America won the FA Cup and english supercup. I agree he was a title contender but the runner up of copa America is also no loser besides the other trophies and stats made him far better than Alexis.
messi didnt deserve 2021 and 2010 and 2019
2010 shouldve been either xavi or iniesta and sneijder
Xavi and iniesta was a crucial part in spain world cup win
Sneijder won the treble and a world cup finalist
2019 vandjik deserve it hes stats was out of this world as a defender and no player dribbled through him that season
2021 lewandoski deserve it
He broke the bundesliga most goals record that havent been broken in a decade and hes trophy talk for themselve
Why you didn't mention messi stats in 2016 , 2017 , 2018 , he has the best stats but didn't won ucl
Fake information about messi and other some players but ribbery was robbed in 2013
Of course you only pick 2013 and forget 2010, 2019, 2021 and 2023
@@khosta6690 lol the ballon d'ors were fair in all of these years 🐐🇦🇷
In 2007 Messi placed 2nd and Ronaldo placed 3rd. You can even see that CR7 is holding bronze and Messi is Holding silver
23:36 if you know you know
Ronaldo and Messi era was something else man, all matches had a meaning and half the world were watching it
Messi should have won in 2018 over Modric and Ronaldo. Look at the stats. With people constantly complaining about this and that, let's just call it how it is.
lol
You are sick in the head
bro ronaldo won the ucl 3 times in a row
@@delfinosierraa It's an award given for the year. Real Madrid won the Champions league but finished miles behind Barcelona in the league and Copa del Rey (both of their domestic competitions). Messi also had better goal and assist tallies than everyone by a decent margin. Even if you choose another player, to have him 5th was a joke.
@@peterkariotis5256by you're logic Ronaldo should've won it in 2015, his stats were better than both Messi and Neymar
Actually Messi dribbled past Van Djik in the 1st leg of the champions league semi final
He is the goat and deserved all 8
In the 18/19 season, Messi ranked first in all attack indicators, including goals, assists, big chance making, dribbling, and key passes, in statistics from Europe's top five leagues. There is no football player who can do this. Even at that time, Barcelona was a mess and was a one-man team that only relied on Messi in every game.
In 2019 we all know Messi was top scorer in laliga, ucl, and accross all competition, but the difference is Messi won most man of the match awards way more than Van Dijk.
In 2021 Messi won his first Copa America as the player of the tournament and top scorer of the tournament, that made the difference between Messi and Lewandowski. Copa America is a Continental Trophy so it waight a lot when it comes to ballon d'or.
Applying your 2021 Logic to 2019....Bernardo Silva won everything in England, was the best city player that year and won the Uefa Nations League with Portugal being named the player of the tournament. Just like Copa America, Nations League is also a continental tournament.
The only competition he did not won that year (but reach the semis I think) was the Champions League.
So why did Messi won it in 2019?
@@joaobpintoballondor rules change every year according to messi's performance
@@Akshyy13 so true.
Perfect resume.
@@joaobpinto just look for fifa best 2023😇you could see the greatest clean robbery
@@joaobpinto You know, applying my logic, both in 2019 and 2021 the difference that Messi made is, he won most man of the matchs awards in both the seasons, way more than any other players and most of the man of the matchs awards was in important matchs.
Not only that he was also the top scorer and player of the tournament as well.
Top bins never disappoint the 🐐 just cooks hard and BTW waiting for the el classico episode
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This video just seems to be pegged on the creaters hatred of Messi than actual reality. 2019 he singlehandedly almost won a treble by himself for a bad Barcelona squad with how complete he was. 2021 he had only 8 less goals than Lewandowski and had 9 more assists while being far superiour in all the other stats including even defending while being a playmaker while lewy is a striker. Then you (intentionaly and childishly) fail to mention that he won the Copa America while also being the best player and top scorer. Coming to 2022 its just dumb to expect him not to win it after having the world cup performance that he had which is the greatest sporting competition ever. Cry more
Well said dude, these Penaldo dik riders try everything possible to defame Messi the GOAT
Alr ur so mad right? Why don't u make ur own video glazing Messi and making it however u like
@@CO7isMe You Messi and Ronaldo fans are so cringe and embarrasing. Before the WC CR7 was considered the 2nd best player or on par with Messi. Now they say he's not even top 5 yet nothing has changed except Messi winning WC. Before Messi won any international trophy he was made fun of everywhere. Now they say that his trophies don't matter and that the WC was just a 7 game tournament which is rigged. Grow the FU and respect footballers
Messi deserved a balon d or for 7 awarded penalties?
When Haalnd broke records his first PL season?
Stop this nonsense... Messi is great but his name carries him to some of the biggest robberies the world of sports has ever seen
How you can even say messi didn’t deserve to win it in 2021? He just won the copa america ending the curse of 28 years of trophyless for Argentina..
From 2007,the Balon D'or lost its value, apart from in 2018 when a worthy winner got it
Fact
Penaldo fan
@@Misda-qak never supported that fraud
You mad because messi and ronaldo is just too good goats 🐐 👽
@@Misda-qak Pessi worshipper
If the Ballon D'or was fair
2009: Messi
2010: Sneijder
2011: Messi
2012: Messi
2015: Messi
2019: Van Dijk
2021: Lewandowski
2023: Haaland
Messi deserved all Ballondors from 2009 to 2023 straight.
haaland deserves the 2023 ballon but rest are deserved
@@delfinosierraa nope, messi deserved 2023
Brainwash at peak
avg messi fan😂
Never let bro cook again
Bro made a 20+ mins long video just to expose his shitty ball knowledge
Ball knowledge + good voice = top bins🎉❤
Appreciate u ❤️
Continue 🐐
Messi deserved the 2021 Ballon D’or. But, they should have handed out a second one to Lewandowski for 2020. That’s my opinion.
Saying Modric is a robbery is little ball knowledge.
It's no ones fault that you cant judge midfielders by goals. So its hard to say Ronaldo was BY FAR better than Modric on the club level considering they won everything.
Amd Modric was the best player in the World Cup. It's honestly one of the clearest awards.
little kid started watching football from yt shorts lol
@@PRIMEDITZX.7.10 I honestly hope it’s not me you’re talking to.
so compare that to 2010 messi how come he won while even senider was a cm who has 40+g/a has scored 6 goals and 1 assists while messi 0 goals and 1 assists didn't even make to quater finals not wining any treble or ucl that season meanwhile he won treble in 2010 and made to wc finals and whereas ronaldo has better stats compared to messi in 2010 wc and 2018 wc having 4 goals and 0 assists in 4 games unlike messi in 4 games 0 goals has 15 goals and modric with 13 g/a
now tell me what is it u try to defend here 😆 is it the playmaking ability bruh cm always has that ability ik messi has that but look at that team bruh pass the ball everyone will net it
@@aanuiwueze48nah we can see that he is a kid himself. I mean look at his pfp
@@qwertyzxccvk didn’t even notice😂
Every winner deserved to win.
luis figo a traitor he played at barcelona then real like wtf
One of footballs biggest traitors
I know right!
@@TopBinsFootyyi will edit your video at highest level possible
08-Ronaldo
09-Messi
10-Messi(Sneijder, Xavi or Inesta should have won)
11-Messi
12-Messi
13-Ronaldo(Ribery should have won)
14-Ronaldo
15-Messi
16-Ronaldo
17-Ronaldo
18-Modric(Ronaldo should have won)
19-Messi(Van Dijk should have won)
20-Lewandowski(Not given)
21-Messi(Lewandowski should have won)
22-Benzema
23-Messi(Haaland should have won)
Ronaldo-5 Deserved Ballon d'or
Messi-4 Deserved Ballon d'or
*I am in no way biased but this is how the Ballon d'or should have been handed out, maybe either 22 or 23 Ballon d'or should have been Messi's Deservedly but both Benzema and Haaland had excellent seasons even if Messi won the World Cup.
No way in 2018 Ronaldo
@@TheRealPog1 not my opinion, its what the guy in the vid said, tho im curious why u think he shouldn't have won it
2020. Lewandowski was robbed by Covid 19
The most unfair of the lot
I don't care about messi Ronaldo debate. their numbers are insanely fantastic their football was something else i was blessed to see both them play we will definitely miss this guys
W comment
Every time CR7 won it (Balon d'or) every Tom, Dcik & Harry had an opinion but when the Midget was given those Balon D'or' by FIFA then everyone kept quiet.🤬🤬🤬🤬
Fifa has nothing to do with the Balon d'or, get u facts right u limpet!
You keep moaning and bitching whenever that "midget" wins it though.
Quiet the reverse
Pls talk about Poland in the 1970s and 80s
Ballon dor lost it’s value a long time ago (no hate against Messi in fact I also say 2013 was Ribéry but just can’t believe the last 3 ballon dor Messi have won if you look at stats and titles and then look at Ronaldo 2018 who can’t win it and I believe World Cup is a big thing for them who win but yet in 2010 Xavi and Iniesta not won even tho they have good stats and won ucl and World Cup, la Liga but then in 2023 Messi won World Cup while Haaland won the treble in the best league wish way better stats but not win I just don’t see point in ballon dor anymore if you not vote the best player (2023 I think Rodri was clear tho won national league wish Spain and the treble) while score the winner goal in ucl final
Haaland plays for big time cheaters Man City. They don't deserve anything and need to be dissolved as a club
But the Thing is Messi in 2010 have this Many award:
60 Goals/17 Assists
Most Goal
Most G/A
Golden Boot
Ucl Top Scorer
La Liga top scorer
La Liga POTY
La Liga
UEFA Super Cup
Club World Cup
Spain Super Cup
And in the 2023 Ballondor Run Messi have
41 Goals/26 Assists
World Cup MVP
Golden Ball
WC Silver Boot
WC Top Assister
Ligue 1, Top Assister
French Super Cup and Mvp
IFFHS Playmaker 2022
Fifa Best 2022
While Halaand have
56 Goals/10 Assists
FA Cup
Premier League
Champions League
Premier League MVP, Young MVP, Top Scorer
Champions League Top Scorers
It may be weird why World Cup count when it in 2022 but the Balondor 2023 Run started in August 2022 and End on July 2023
Since Worlds Cup start in 2022 November and end in December 2022
It count
@@r3ddr01d7it felt so honest
Cry ur comment is full of nonsense that I do not even know where to begin to debunk it.
The Lewandoski face 😂
0 respect for cheater Messi that robbed world cup. Funny is that Maradona also won world cup by cheating. Classic Argentina
Toxic Ronaldo fan
@@rldk1 im not fan of Ronaldo nor Messi
Cristiano Ronaldo in 2013 by himself he scored a hat trick against Sweden and in 2018 ronaldo scored a hat trick against Spain to come from the dead🐐🐐🇵🇹🇵🇹(Cristiano Ronaldo is the most complete player in history in 2008)
Nedvěd fully deserved ballon d'or
Messi never robbed any ballon dor.
Very true
Messi robbed 4 balloon dor
Now very true
@@ayanhassan7237Ronaldo robbed 3 bdors
Now very true, he robbed Ribery, Suarez, Grizman
@@ayanhassan7237 start watching football bro Messi won it because of his statistics
Oo really oo my god very good
R9 deserved 3 ballon dors, but he actually deserves 10
Mediocre vid trying to get traffic from interactions.
Because the uploader is a blind Penaldo fan.
Thierry Henry = Robbed
Van Dijk = Robbed
Robert Lewandowski = Robbed
Change thumbnail don't disrespect goat it's always people disrespecting messi
Its true tho
@@ggberto bruh 8 year old Ronaldo fan spotted then we can also say Ronaldo robbed there is no poof
It's true Messi robbed everyone
@@fahimnoor5980 who t f is talking stop watching football from reels and shorts
to win it or did they rob it from someone else? So we’re going to look at the last 25 winners and find out exactly how good these players were...
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Bro 2023 ballon dor was given according to the performance of 2022-23 season
😂 what did messi do in psg he was not even best player in that
Messi' last 3 have been an embarrassment
Only for Ronaldo fans
@kenedygomes8495 robbed Halaand, robbed VVD and robbed Lewandowski 💀 no way he deserved any of those
Fax but messi Fans try to justify it😭
@@Too_far_for_Anthony its the copium they inject directly to their bloodstream
@@kenedygomes8495nah even neutral audience