Sorry but I need to know this when Filian merch was being made everybody was speaking in her favor but now that it is an indie vtuber how is this bad. Its her IP and she has the right to tell others on how they can use it doesn't matter if its a company or an artist its still the vtuber's ip and they can speak against this whether u agree or not is different thing
@@AngelSharma-on8bg It’s not that I’m pretty sure it’s the fact that she went full psycho about it and went off in a public space about this Fillian handled her stuff in private
Well, if you take it from a job perspective, it does kinda suck... but then again, idk the vtuber rules or public domain legalities... so, yeah. I think both are somewhat at fault, but gumpai clearly went overboard... coulda just asked instead of slinging insults from the get go. The backlash is deserved for the approach taken, there's no way about it. There's always a shitshow on X somewhere in the world it seems...
@@Enochian_Tomfoolerythere wasn’t really any racism. It’s not racist to make fun of another countries economy. We’re not mustache man, we don’t believe race = nation.
Fuck no, dog, this is a monkey's paw wish. Do you really, honest to God think that all websites won't abuse this? Have you seen the utter shitpit that is Imgur? How about the powermod janoomers of Plebbit, you really think they'll let that fly?
Credit card companies have been trying to censor a.i companies and anime companies. The debt and credit card companies withholding payments until they comply, that is one of the reasons their has been more censorship, in which should be illegal to force companies to do that.
There needs to be an equivalent of a net neutrality law for payment processing. As long as the transaction isn't illegal, they should all be treated equally with equal priority.
@@RandomPerson964 I heard it would be possible if payment-processors were categorized as utility (like water and energy) as that status would force them to be neutral.
Not just companies. Individuals like Joshua Moon have also essentially been blacklisted by all major payment processors for not being nice enough online.
@@Yuu-mf6lp All that would do is in a very technical sense make those payment processors in to government agencies thus allowing the government to use those censorship practices to censor those they do not like like China and Canada are known to do already.
Apparently Gumpai is the same VTuber that's super parasocial with her community, dead ass banned every girl from her server to be parasocial with her fans
Yep, she banned me from her TH-cam because I mentioned I'm a girl And I kinda still feel bad about it, but after some research I'm glad I don't support her anymore I was just a superficial viewer so I didn't know she was problematic
Kusa is a great guy. His shipping is fast too I was surprised how fast I Got my fishman plushie. Seeing this person degrade him so for making hand crafted loving merchandise for vtubers. Just felt a ball in my stomach with disgust. I'm so glad to see people come together and defend them. I get the feeling he'll be busy making plushies for the next year + because of it all so in the end at least some good came of it all.
as a Vtuber I would have some concerns about others making money off my OC; but at the same time, personally, that would only be for mass market type companies. Indie artists and small batch hand made creations isn't enough to go nuclear over.
the thing with him was that he joined the discord and did nothing but self-promo then sold them for 100 dollars each in dms, meaning he made almost two months worth of salary in vietnam for plushies that had no neck and unlevel eyes.
@@geesehaibruh, rent per person is already $250-500 a month. You need at least $10 to eat a day. How the hell is $100 gonna last 2 months? If you don't live here, just don't say anything
I think the even crazier part was that prior to that gumpai was getting a little recognition from some phase girls for her unhinged tweets. Then she blocked them... Phase has pretty much cornered the market for this niche and that would have been an easy boost in exposure. She seems hellbent on destroying her reputation
I remember seeing that. If I remember correctly from other people's comments and stuff, basically she is a super jealous person and apparently thinks or wants all of her followers to be dating her. Any females in her discord get banned cause she wants to be the only female the guys are surrounded with. Oh, and apparently her discord is made for subs only. If you aren't a sub, you can't see any channels aside from announcment. Unfortunately she has the discord link disabled right now, so I never got a chance to see it all for myself. Cause yes, hearing everything made me curious on how true it all was.
Visa and Mastercard stop payments for art sites that are a bit naughty... but have no problem at all with Onlyfans and Tiktok... This is what we call ABSOLUTELY FLAGRANT HYPOCRISY.
The difference is that Onlyfans and Tiktok don't host CP, those are the sites that Visa and Mastercard are pulling away from because they don't want to be associated with that stuff.
they were also banning users from buying firearms, the purchasing of which is perfectly legal practice in the US and borderline unconstitutional to ban users from making legal purchases.
Wait. If they ban using credit cards to buy firearms. That mean someone has to pay in cash. That will be it harder to trace. ATF will surely not agree with this.
yeah, whenever I go to sleep at 5 45 in the morning after playing vidya games for 9 hours of hard work, I always think to myself "damn, I sure do love being a v-tuber"
Seriously? That has nothing to do with tarot or rock music. (The twenty-two stands in Part 3 were named for the Crowley tarot deck's greater arcana, while later stands were named for rock bands and songs.)
5:55 I think its perfectly fine for a vtuber to not want someone else (who is unknown to her) to come on their discord server to sell things to their community unsolicited, Kusa should have just DMed gumpai first before approaching people in her community to sell these and Kusa himself seems to realize this. Seems her major gripe isn't the initial creation of the plushies but the selling of them and DMing users in her discord she took issue with. However completely out of line for her to go on twitter and paint Kusa as some threat to other communities. This whole thing could have been dealt with in DMs but atleast gumpai is honest in her bio about being completely regarded and dumb lol
That is kinda my take here too, the meltdown was unnecessary but I can't wrap my head around people defending making of a plushy without prior approval from an IP owner. Like you are making something from someones design - first for someone who commissioned you and most likely didn't have permission either to use the IP and create another 4 of them and try to sell them on that communities server. Like personally if someone made merch from my design and sold it behind my back I would instantly C&D this kind of thing.
Hot take: you're both wrong. Gumpai shouldn't have used inflammatory language and handled this privately, but it's not "entitlement" to want a cut of the profit from your character's likeness. That commission and those sales would not have happened if Gumpai had not existed.
I'm gonna disagree - mostly because this logic sets a dangerous follow through, and people don't get to cherry pick it. The toy maker commissioned to make a character, the chatacter was made and they where paid. Because there where extra, and they decided to sell the rest of their stock - not making an official selling of the product, just getting rid of extra, in a place where he knew it would be appreciated. This would be like demanding a fan to cut you in on profit because they made and sell commissioned fanart. Imagine that; a creator demanding/expecting a cut of the sale of FOUR pieces of content. Crazy work Legally speaking - sure Gumpai had right to a cut. Ethically speaking, she didn't do anything outside of owning the character. You would not be giving Gumpai a pass if she wasn't an indie Vtuber or if the character in question was owned by a large business. Because that sounds insane otherwise, and vice versa. Just based ok the size of both - it makes more sense for Gumpai to commission the toy maker and make an official selling of the doll, instead of expecting him to fork off profits they made mostly independent of her outside of her small contribution - and she expected him to do that (hence demanding he send her his product with no mention of PAYING HIM, while critiquing the quality) she was simply entitled .
@@whatteamwildcats4033 Ethically the toy maker is in the wrong. He sold plushies of her model without her knowledge or consent. There is no defending that. She absolutely overreacted and this should have been held privately, but fundamentally she is in the right. I’m sure if it wasn’t an individual toy maker but a large toy company who stole the model and was selling art works of it, you would have a much different opinion about the situation. Because of that, your logic is not sound.
@@Jug_Pack someone didn't read my comment fully. Edit: Also it was a commission and he had extras - he didn't go out of the way to make merch, he was selling stock he didn't need that would otherwise go to waste. Are you seriously trying to frame this like he did something wrong? are also making the stance that people that sell commissions/content that can include fan content need to ask permission to sell those commissions? Are you really standing toes down on the notion that someone needs to ask, say Disney to make fan made commissions or art? Or hoyoverse Or eff it, anyone who's character you make fanart off if someone commissions you? Most people don't care/don't take the stance of demanding money from artists/creators in this case. Gumpai is just entitled even if she's legally right.
@@whatteamwildcats4033 I guess I missed the “vice versa,” but that only means that you know that you don’t have consistent logic. No matter the size of the vtuber or toy maker/company, you always need permission to sell art works of characters you do not own. The toy maker in this case never had permission, even with the initial commission.
It’s the start of a new week and we can’t even get through a day without drama. I love the shoutout the guy got at 7:00 . Always gotta support the fans!
Bro they sold the gimmick account, it really isnt anything new. People do the same with TH-cam channels with those shitty "get me to 100k subs with no video" people you see in comments that spam ragebait.
I can understand how she feels, I probably wouldn't like it either if someone was profiting off of my likeness (VTuber likeness in this case) but she handled it very poorly. Now since she probably hadn't trademarked her Vtuber model it's not illegal for him to do this but I would say it's in poor taste to profit off of someone else. If I was an artist I'd probably just approach the person like: 'I got a commission to make a plushie based on your likeness, is that ok with you? I'd be willing to split the profits with you' or something like that, but that's just me. 🤷🏼♂️ Now none of that is an excuse for any of the other stuff she did/said though. 😂
Wait, so Kusa sold merch from someones model without their permission? How is that not wrong? Isnt this the same thing Filian did and was rightfully criticised for? The meltdown was over the top, no debating that, but Kusa did something wrong if he didnt get permission...
Yeah, the original was a one-off made on commission. But Kusa made more than one, and the client only ended up with one. So far so good. So now to dump the rest. Which is understandable to not like as the person the plushie is derived from. Since it technically violates IP laws.
Kusa: Huh, I got some leftover prototypes from that guy's commission. Throwing them away would be a waste, I'll see if some fans of the character would like to buy them for cheap. Gumpai: How dare you! You can't just make a profit off my image without paying me! Why didn't you send me those plushies for free so I can make a profit off your labor at no cost!
Yeah, I went to check upon that rabbit hole a couple of months ago and it was crazy. Definitely something you can make more than a video on, it has pretty much everything in terms of sexism, racism, stuff like that.
Community Notes & Violations "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." Some real Harvey Dent vibes isn't it, why would they do this.
I'm not entirely ok with making money of someone elses IP. But there are definitely better ways to handle it than blowing up over a measly four plushies sold.
its hand made plush, people do that for for everything from mlp to anime. and the profit margins are kinda bad and slow. selling hundreds would be one thing, but they tend to make singles to a dozen
The thing is, I understand her being upset about it. I don't agree with how she handled it, but I personally have always kind of been a bit on the edge with commissioned fan art of a character. I know it's not possible to get permission for big popular cartoons and anime. But when it's commissioned fan art of an artist's OC or, in this case, a Vtuber, it's where the grey area is for me. Because it's not impossible to contact these people and say, "Hey, someone commissioned me to make art of your character/you, do you mind?" Again, I don't agree with her reaction, and how she handled it. I can just understand why it upset her, even if the amount sold was small.
Yeah that wasn't racist, he just said vietnam is extremely cheap which is just a fact, you can live for very little money in Vitnam He's totally wrong in the plushie thing tho, it's not like there's an entire factory selling plushies, it's just making custom made plushies in his house
Westerners think calling a country what it is is rayseest. The thing with the plushie though is unless you got permission to monetize some small creator's OC, you don't do it. It's common of Chinese and Asian sellers stealing your artwork, chibis or fanart to sell at cons without you knowing.
It doesn't matter what was said, it's the way it was said. It was said in a very derogatory way to make it seem like all people in that country are rich and have no trouble getting money, so the plush creator is completely out of line for even THINKING about doing something with fanart for monetary gain. It was meant as a stab at the person, it was not positive nor even a bad joke. That's what makes it so bad. It's putting down another person specifically because of the country they are from.
Yea honestly, i'm Vietnamese, i wouldn't say it's racist, but like please don't kid yourself. Even without the context it was a very, very weird comment to make by that vtuber.
@@winterlantern5695 Oh yeah I agree if it's just a corporation looking to mass produce it, but they are custom made, the guy sews them himself to order so it's like getting a comission for art really.
@@madmantheepic7278 It wasn't weird, it was just irrelevant and dumb because whether you make a lot of money or not from something doesn't make it right or wrong, he could be making $1 or $500 a plushie, it's irrelevant
not really and the guy has the right to sell rest of the inventory. It's not really fair to him if he loses money. Gumpai just acts like an entitled little bish at this point.
@@agamersinsanityYou are wrong: he does not a have a legal right to her IP. It's his own fault he screwed up and made more, not her's. If he truly didn't want the plushies to go to waste he could have given it away for free, maybe only asking for shipping costs. It's also possible he made a surplus on purpose to sell; how do you 'accidentally' make more plushies?
Sorry but the thing with the vtuber is just wrong... Sure she did go nuklear and that was not right, but that is not the point... Every person that draws, etc for money of a character that they down have the permision for, they can be sued and it doesen't matter if they where commision fort it by some fan Most of the time it is just ingnord, becouse it is not worth it going after it or becouse it is promoting the person, etc As a excemple If someone draws a picture of Shylily, they have to copyright to the picture But becouse Shylily has the copyright to the carachter, she can dmca / sue everyone that is trying to make a profit of it But even when she has the copyright to the character, she can't use the picture, becouse the copyright for the picture is by the person who draw it
Honestly, I can understand the VTuber. Like, it's annoying someone taking your own creation/copyrighted material and make money off it, without you seeing any of that money. Sure, he got comissioned to do one/some of them, but just because he made more than he got comissioned, that does not mean he has the right to sell the rest. Though I do understand the desire to not waste stuff, he should have cleared it up with the VTuber before selling any. But at last the artist apologized for the transgression and considering it's just about three plushies and I don't know any other cases, where the artist did the same, he seems sincere enough that I in place of the VTuber would have gone with "alright, mistakes happen, just don't do it again". And I definitively would not have gone on a rant on twitter claiming this was R-wording me.
nah the vtuber is wack on all accounts. there are no other accounts of the same because every other creator be it anime, tv, vtuber or even disney doesn't go after fan artists at this level. This is some nintendo level shit from a basically unknown vtuber who has now essentially blacklisted herself from every artist.
I don't think it is entitled to get angry at your image being stolen and someone else profiting from it. There are tons of merch sold, taken from semi famous content creators and they don't even know about it. Most of this stuff comes from Asia. It is protecting your brand, that you probably paid a ton of money for. I don't care if it is 1 or 4 or 40 or 4000, you should not do that, especially have the balls to go to the streamer channel and trying to sell them directly. It is like if I made a game and then the game got big. Suddenly all Asian countries start to make mascots of my game character, shirts, hats, mugs ect. You can't do anything about it either because to protect yourself, you would need to have patents in every single country around the world. There is no such thing as world patent bureau or any kind of organization, you need to apply in each country directly. That is only possible in countries that have such protection and respect it, good luck in China. Also how would you enforce it, you would have to be an billionaire or a huge corporation, which is same thing. So I can see how it can be infuriating, when your work cost you a lot of money.
Does Gumpai own the copyright to her/his fictional character? If they do own the copyright, then merchandising right of the character belongs to her/him. (At least in the USA). Though the reaction from this person is eyebrow raising
Wouldn't say racist, rude yes but racist no. Rev is starting to be similar to woke journalists and youtubers just on the opposite side :/. Like it doesn't bother as much since I tend to agree with a bit of his responses but really I'm starting to see him be the same pushing buzzwords and such.
you can only look at Twitter brain rot as a job for so many years before getting affected by it yourself. I think he's been slowly shifting how he presents things to black and white for a while now. like how he said Kusa did nothing wrong, this isn't true, Kusa didn't get permission to sell those plushes to Gumpai's server. What Gumpai did was overreacting and the issue should have been solved in DMs but that does not mean Kusa did nothing wrong. But I think Rev has been in the Vtuber drama scene for so long that he might be too "worn out" to present the nuances of the topics he's speaking of properly.
It was in fact racism. Directly pointing out his race, then using that fact to make fun of his cost of living and discriminating based on that. That is in fact racism. Is it the worst tier of racism? No, far from it. It would still meet the definition of it though.
@thexp905 No, that's like me telling the police officer when im robbed that the guy is black or white and that is racist. Just because the comment was rude and mentioned the race as a descriptor does not mean it was racist. What they did was mention that the cost of living in Vietnam is low in a rude way, which, by the way, it is. If anything, it's only racist cuz yall weirdly focus on making a description phrase racist and it's just strange and weird.
@@mdb45424 Exactly. Rev revealed what he is in this video, a genuine grifter that only says what's safe. In this case he wound up agreeing with a horde of transexual communists on twitter because they abused the community notes to post some gay shit under somebody's post.
It's one thing for Kusa to make commissions for those who asked for them, it steers into ugly territory to advertise to sell them to a community without permission regardless of how many. Not to say what this "Gumpai" said is ok, but I feel they are in the right to be pissed off. Kusa should of asked before trying to sell first.
4:54 “that’s it” I mean… if she designed the model HERSELF, it’s HER OC that she made on HER OWN, it’s HER copyright hes infringing. He’s profiting off of HER likeness without HER consent. That’s not a cool thing to do even IF he’s a nice guy- he’s still profiting off of HER character If she just ripped her model off the internet, then she shouldn’t be complaining- she CANT complain since the character ISNT HERS, but if it is, then she has every right to be upset. This is kinda like the Filian situation (albeit, at an extremely smaller scale). She made merch off of a model that wasn’t hers. He’s made profit off a model that isn’t his, and then goes in HER server to sell the plushies he made without her consent. The core principle in both situations is the same; someone who doesn’t have permission is profiting off of another person’s copyright. That being said, while he’s 100% in the wrong for infringing her copyright, she’s guilty of being cringe which immediately makes her look worse. She really could’ve avoided all of this if she just said “Please ask me before you sell plushies of my model” I still find it crazy that you’re framing it as if he didn’t do ANYTHING wrong, when he DID profit off of her likeness.
In this case is diferent as this a transformative art work if the plushie was 1 to 1 like the Vtuber model your statment would be true, but as a Chibi plushie of a Vtuber personification it will be hard to enforce Copyright laws, it´s just like all those artits of Pokémon making new draw, plushies, merch, animated videos fall under the Parodie work and like it or not it´s totally legal to do so
I don't know the specifics of the law in the US about copyright infringement, but I think from a moral stance, it's completely fair for Kusa to replicate her model when he's doing it on commission only, manually and he didn't make her character his core business. It's like the concept of fair use in media; I'm pretty sure there is an equivalent for vtuber models and similar content. And if there isn't any, there should be. If it was an big company making continuous production of it, I would agree with you but here, it's not.
@@redplayer3481 I wasn’t thinking about it in a legal aspect- according to the internet, you have to get a license in order to sue, and I doubt she has her stuff licensed- Im looking at it morally, cuz at the end of the day, whether or not it’s 1 to 1, it’s still HER likeness and her name that’s being sold and profited off of, even if it’s just a few people. I think I was mainly put off by the fact that Rev is acting like she has NO RIGHT to get mad, just cuz she’s a douchebag. Maybe I’m sympathizing too much, but I feel like I’d be a little bummed out if someone started selling merch based off of a Vtuber model I designed myself without even asking if I was okay with it. She def went too far but I feel like his apology was def necessary
@@rigierish3807 imo I don’t think it’s fair. If she’s not okay with her likeness being sold by others, ppl should respect that. Idk how the law works either, or if it’s different based on the work, but the fact that it clearly still looks like her character means it’s prolly infringing her copyright Edit: on second thought, I dont think I can confidently say that it “clearly still looks like her character” but the fact that he still used her name and created a plushie in her characters likeness has gotta mean something? Idk, I feel like he should’ve asked- either asked before doing the commission or asked before selling in the sever Regardless, i definitely agree her reaction was over the top
@@thatextrovertartist5474 I mean, I get it, but what I don't like about this whole discussion around copyright is how we're so rigid about it most of the time, by having full control of anything we can create at all time in any market. Because of course, it would've been better if he contacted her before doing it out of respect and maybe split the money so she can profit from it too, but I feel like unless she already had conquered by being present on market of plushie with her model, it's only fair somebody like Kusa uses the occasion to do it instead by accepting a few exceptional commissions. But I'm also more of a “liberal” (as a lack of better term) on this part by considering that as long as you show something you created publicly, anybody should be able to make and sell derivatives of it in the form of another product as long as it doesn't step on the original author's business. We at least agree on the fact that she reacted very badly.
Old veiwer of gumpai, just so you know you're giving her what she wants. Like, she wants people to hate her, if you go on wayback and find her old vods she says she wants haters.
Weirdly enough, as someone who works a "9-5" I actually agree with the statement that streaming is harder. That is, becoming a successful streamer, I mean. Any joker with a little know-how can stream stuff, but to be successful at it takes a lot of luck and talent to actually be engaging enough in your streaming to make a profit on it, and while being with an agency can make it easier, there is still a lot of work one has to do behind the scenes to be successful. I suppose it also depends on the 9-5. I find office work and retail work a lot easier than streaming.
Hmmm but isnt this a Copyright case? The Avatar is hers, correct? So she has to be involved, if someone solds Plushies of her Avatar. Didnt we had a similiar Case with Filian and the Merch she wanted to sell, which revealed the copyright issue? Yes its Fanmade plushies, but the Artist sold them in the Discord of the Streamer without checking, if she is okay with that. Atleast its bad Style.
I’m sorry but after doing the one commission, selling the rest makes it commercial goods. So as much as I disagree with her for 3 plushies. She still would probably be entitled to some profits or whatever. Still stupid though.
Rev I don't believe you covered the Merch stuff appropriately (Yes I know this is a community notes vid). Coming from a contracts and agreements drafter. Gumpai has the rights and in regards to IP/Copyright has to protect those rights however if they have ever stated that fan merch/art is allowed then their reaction/outburst is unwarranted. Yes Kusa should have DM'd and sought permission before posting on the discord as it could breach agreements with licensed merch manufactures. The exception only being large agencies that allow low volume fan merch and art to be sold without permission.
am i the only one that are thinking about consent in this case? sure the person who was non consented upon creation of this plushie, said some horrible things and should be punished so. But in context, this kinda looks bad. Imagine if i as a plushie creator who profits off plushies, wrote to gawr gura on twitter and got no response if i asked if i can make a plushie. or for that matter got a response , saying sure. then i sent one, but also decided to sell 100's to profit of. i never said initially i would make multiple and profit off of them. even worse, i would gain 100 % of income, and cover corp gets nothing.would this be fair, if i decided upon myself without consent to create these plushies and profit off of them? not even give a % to the company ? or gawr gura for that matter? i think both in this situation is in the wrong. the indie for harrashing the plushie creator like that, it could had been voiced differently. but also the plushie creator for not asking for permission to profit off of her likeness. i dont feel it is entitlement, more as it is abuse of trust. and that is very uncool.
(9:21) So, let me get this straight; Gumpai attacked a toy maker for making a plushie of them, and then she proceeded to promote her Uwu Market merch? Who does she think she is? Hara Rae?
Devil's advocate...she was complaining about third party, unofficial product, then promoted her own official merch. Makes sense, to be honest. Though I would point out that this kind of situation is what C&Ds and DCMA's are *meant* for, not public attacks and insults.
7:21 profit is still profit, it doesn’t matter HOW much he profited. You’re asking “who” but this person is big enough to have someone want to have their character in their room. And given how she’s (like you pointed out) a small Vtuber, she’s prolly broke AF or barely making money off of her streams (given her numbers, i don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that) so it makes sense why she’d be so pressed when someone else is making money off of HER character without asking beforehand That being said, massive L on her part for the immature and rude response + shaming her audience. She could’ve easily worked out a collab with him, bought a few plushies and then resold them or smthn. Anything would’ve been better than being a douchebag
Actually, based on how she has at least three people that spent over a thousand USD each to give her gifts on Throne, I doubt she'd be broke or barely making money.
8:38 To be fair, these big creators have NOTHING to gain from shitting on him. They make enough money off of their OWN merch + revenue from making content, and they probably have a bunch of fan merch (and prolly random sites selling bootlegs of their merch) so another fan made thing isn’t gonna make much of a difference. Who knows how much this small creator is making, so comparing them like they’re in anyway similar is kinda silly.
2nd time in like a week I feel like you missed. They went about it wrong and made some weird tweets but the core of the story being that someone sold merch of their character. We can't have that. Seems like you are justifying it because they only sold 4. So where is the line? What if it was 40, 400? Are we gonna have to start copyrighting every vtuber? Seems like you just went completely around the problem.
Thing is she probably already has copyright if she made her own model, or design at least. When you make an artwork you automatically have copyright on it and don’t need to register it. The artist that made the plushie likely broke copyright law. Also yeah it doesn’t matter the amount sold if you allow one why not more, it eventually becomes an open door for people to use your character for anything.
5:22 he’s not automatically “allowed” to do that- he should ask for permission first then do it, or it’s fine if the person he’s profiting off of doesn’t care Cuz, by this logic, Filian SHOULD be able to sell merch based off the model she ripped off the internet- which she shouldn’t and neither should Kusa, even if he’s a good guy, he still did gumpai dirty for not asking for permission. It’s her copyright, not his
I was also going to post similar to this, the exception only being large agencies that allow low volume fan merch and art to be sold without permission. Gumpai has the rights and in regards to IP/Copyright has to protect those rights however if they have ever stated that fan merch/art is allowed then their reaction/outburst is unwarranted. Yes Kusa should have DM'd and sought permission before posting on the discord as it could breach agreements with licensed merch manufactures.
difference is scale and those involved. Kusa is a small batch artist. Whether he is doing something illegal entirely comes down to the country. he could be protected by American fair use in America, but in Japan the vtuber could certainly go after him if they wanted because no fair use (not sure about Vietnam). However it becomes a case of risk and reward. Is it worth the hit to your PR and legal fees to go after someone for what might amount to a couple hundred dollars of merch. Filian on the other hand is both a business herself and was working with other companies like goodsmile. Another company using the IP of another company is a big no-no and illegal. Even then technically filian herself likely would not have gotten in actual legal trouble because she could argue she altered the model (but then that gets muddled either by the theft of the model if she pirated it or by her agreement to the creators TOS when she purchased the model). However, just like with Gumpai and as it was the PR blowback can be rather big. Filian came out apologized and is just so much bigger that she was able to turtle and wait out the backlash (she still uses the same model 4 months later and doesn't seem to have any plans to change it). Still though the artist as the IP holder could sue her and sue the companies she worked with. He actively chose not to.
@@xkblxcripple you don't have to defend copyright, that is trademark you have to actively defend or lose it. Gumpai could totally go after him for the plushies. Kusa could argue fair use if said civil trial was in the US for example (not sure if Vietnam has fair use laws). Either way though it becomes a cost factor. Is it worth going to court over 4 plushies, both in monetary cost and in reputation cost. She could hit him with a C&D legally. Most creators of all sizes just don't do that because its mostly not worth the process of going after fan artists and small batch makers for cons or small stores. There is also fair use considerations and PR outlook. Especially for vtubers going after fan artists is a huge taboo because they make all your stuff. you can't be a vtuber without an artist. What she has done though by essentially breaking the unwritten pass given to fan artists for this of this scale is black list herself from a huge portion of the vtuber fan artist community.
@@switchgear100 They do have some kind of fair use, but they don't explicitly define it. It's a lot to dig in when it comes to vietnamese laws, and it would be better if a Vietnamese lawyer explain it. But it wasnt a 1:1 model of the character model and the eye colors wasn't correct. I doubt it's not worth it to go to court about it.
Ok, to be fair to that vtuber, it is technically taking from them in a way, and the veitnam comment isn't racist if its factual and has no other statements with it that in turn would make it as such. The r word comment is way too far though, as is the spite on their self promotion, assuming that the apology/ explination was already made
If gumpai copyrighted the character, they can sue. What the artist did is literally illegal if it's copyrighted work as Vietnam follows the 2005 IPL. Sorry, but this is an L take: As an artist, you are not allowed to profit off of others' IPs. IP laws are there specifically to protect from this kind of thing happening. The artist should have reached out for permission before agreeing to make something that doesn't belong to them.
well same as many depend on the scale. if only one person do 1 or 2 character just think it fansmade but it is in factory scale that sold hundred or thousand that is different story. the ip can be copyright but sometimes many famous ip close eyes for this only one person fans. also this kind of thing also works as advertistment for free. theres nothing wrong here.
@@agamersinsanity Difference in scale doesn't affect if it's fair use, rather the potential damage. I think there will be no financial penalties, but Gumpai should be able to send a cease and desist to Kusa for selling the merch. Plus, Gumpai isn't that big either if we're talking about size.
Honestly, if someone was making money off of my created character without my permission I’d be rather annoyed regardless of the number sold. I can only hope that I’d be more temperate than going off and slinging insults around for no reason.
Yeah I can understand that but man, this vtuber just kept doubling/tripling/quadrupling down and acting like she was violated up and down just because this guy sold 3 left over plushies he made to some of her fans. She even started to make fun of the guy’s countries economy(no it’s not racist to make fun of a homogeneous country) but that’s just wild to act so unhinged about not getting getting a cut of 20 dollars a pop lol
@@KuroKumo96 Her rights were literally violated, she makes a post bringing attention to it and people harass her. Seems like she may have been onto something.
@@nophone9311 As unhinged as she went off, I'm on her side this time. You do not touch an OC. If you're in the OC community you know this. I have friends who're in it.
@@winterlantern5695she made the mistake of being cringe. If she’d made a more professional post there would at least be some people in her side; but since she went straight into hyperbolic metaphors and calling this dude a menace to the vtubing world generally it’s a lot harder to take her seriously.
Gumpai: Mail me the extra plushies. Kusa: To sell right? RIGHT? Gumpai: Kusa: Selling inventory is the literally point of making a successful business. Gumpai For every plush sold of me, I should get a percent! >:(
While I agree Gumpai is being the asshole in this situation, for future reference, Kusa actually isn't allowed to do this at least under U.S. law. Selling fan made vtuber merch, even commissioned, without the consent of the vtuber constitutes trademark infringement. Trademarks do not have to be registered in order to apply in a situation like this.
I disagree I dont think you should be able to make merchandise for a character you don't own and that includes commissions, its not your intellectual property. If you want to make something and share it with people for free that's one thing but profiting off others IP is theft.
@azervakmonocasco4092 I uhh didn't mention the law , but if we are talking about law it is civil offense to make merchandise of some else's IP in a commercial manner that you can be sued for.
To be fair, if someone creates something, an intellectual property or a character etc. Someone else should not be profiting off of it without at least contacting the creator first. It is theft, so I understand their frustrations. But how the owner handled it also wasn't the best way. They could have been more level headed about it. (I'm not familiar with this whole vtuber thing, but it seems there's a tonne of drama involved lol).
As someone who did youtube/streaming, and also 9-5's, they're both taxing to some equal degree. Jobs like construction work are 1000x harder than your average 9-5, and streaming gig. I will say, however, that your average 9-5, depending on the job, can be equally draining to streaming. I work a fairly physically active job, so my body gets aches and pains constantly. I'll feel physically drained and exhausted afterwards. When I did youtube/streamed, I was always mentally exhausted afterwards, feeling more mentally drained than anything. Are the comparisons equal/the same? No, but comparing between a 9-5 and youtube/streaming experiences, I'd say they can be fairly equal in their toll. Once again, jobs that are extremely intensive like construction work trumps the average 9-5 and streaming every single time. This is ONLY in reference to an AVERAGE 9-5. Office Work, Restaurant/Grocery Store worker, etc.
there is also the factor with a lot of mentally straining jobs, streaming, teaching, etc compared to say construction or manual labour in that you rarely get to turn it off. You are always essentially working if you are streamer even when not streaming. you are also planning your next stream, looking at numbers, etc. You normal 9-5 after 5 hits you get to clock out and not think about it until 9 the next morning. The other side though is that you choose to be a streamer or a teacher, you don't just kind of fall into those jobs because you need to pay rent and that is all you can find like a lot of 9-5 jobs. if you don't like streaming you can leave and go work construction. If you are already doing construction or working at a grocery store your options outside of sideward movement into a similar job is much more limited.
Streaming is more draining on you mentally. It's better to be physically tired compared to mentally. But you would also be quite alone when you stream since it's basically a one man job and the parasocial relationships with your community won't last you long. I would still say my cleaning job is a lot harder and the same goes for construction. It's quite easy to get injured, but streaming is a one way ticket and you are out, if you fuck up and it would be hard to come back after that.
There is one single thing gumpai said that is correct: it's a good rule of thumb to ask the person whose merch you're creating if they and/or the artist who created their model are okay with you creating a plushie of them, since there is a discussion to be had about intellectual property and all that stuff Also, let's imagine a situation in which Rev was selling plushies of himself for 25$, but someone else was taking commissions to make his plushies for 20$, it would be better for us consumers, but worse for Rev himself, as he would be losing a cut of his profit. Yes, the two sitiations aren't the same, but I believe it should still be noted as something to be careful with
it would fall on the commissionar, and getting ahold of people is harder than you think, most vtuber dont read their email unless it their business email which tend to be hidden.
I can't wait until the vtuber fad ends and people look at their shelves like coming out of a long sleep, saying to themselves "Dude... what the hell did I do with my money for the last six years?"
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Sorry but I need to know this when Filian merch was being made everybody was speaking in her favor but now that it is an indie vtuber how is this bad. Its her IP and she has the right to tell others on how they can use it doesn't matter if its a company or an artist its still the vtuber's ip and they can speak against this whether u agree or not is different thing
@@AngelSharma-on8bg It’s not that I’m pretty sure it’s the fact that she went full psycho about it and went off in a public space about this Fillian handled her stuff in private
If there’s one thing that immediately turns off sympathy, it’s entitlement
Well, if you take it from a job perspective, it does kinda suck... but then again, idk the vtuber rules or public domain legalities... so, yeah. I think both are somewhat at fault, but gumpai clearly went overboard... coulda just asked instead of slinging insults from the get go. The backlash is deserved for the approach taken, there's no way about it.
There's always a shitshow on X somewhere in the world it seems...
Specifically UNEARNED entitlement and UNJUST Entitlement
Can someone confirm I'm not shadow banned?
@@andrew8168 Here's your confirmation, unless I'm in the shade, too.
@@andrew8168I'm pretty sure I'm not, so I'm pretty sure you're not.
Pipkin Pippa calling you crazy hits different
Kinda sad to see Pippa's community of all communities be appalled by racism lol
The crack-addicted rabbit has standards
@@Enochian_Tomfoolery They weren't appalled by racism, they were appalled by a crazy person acting entitled over someone making a plushy
@@Enochian_Tomfoolerythere wasn’t really any racism. It’s not racist to make fun of another countries economy. We’re not mustache man, we don’t believe race = nation.
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all sites need community notes in general
Agreed
Fuck no, dog, this is a monkey's paw wish.
Do you really, honest to God think that all websites won't abuse this? Have you seen the utter shitpit that is Imgur? How about the powermod janoomers of Plebbit, you really think they'll let that fly?
We had Gab but it got nuked
Oh yea
Just downvotes would work too, honestly.
"Rev put me in the video" LOL this dude knew that comment was Rev react gold tier content immediately.
And he even ratioed Gumpai
Credit card companies have been trying to censor a.i companies and anime companies. The debt and credit card companies withholding payments until they comply, that is one of the reasons their has been more censorship, in which should be illegal to force companies to do that.
There needs to be an equivalent of a net neutrality law for payment processing. As long as the transaction isn't illegal, they should all be treated equally with equal priority.
@@RandomPerson964 I heard it would be possible if payment-processors were categorized as utility (like water and energy) as that status would force them to be neutral.
That is one of the reasons one of Brasil's national banks created a card company here (called Cielo).
Not just companies. Individuals like Joshua Moon have also essentially been blacklisted by all major payment processors for not being nice enough online.
@@Yuu-mf6lp All that would do is in a very technical sense make those payment processors in to government agencies thus allowing the government to use those censorship practices to censor those they do not like like China and Canada are known to do already.
Apparently Gumpai is the same VTuber that's super parasocial with her community, dead ass banned every girl from her server to be parasocial with her fans
She probably did that because most of them were trannies and she didn't want to see them as they disgust her
Business 101: don’t alienate a huge portion of the market 🤦♂️
That's pretty close to horror movie behavior. Bizarro Misery.
How do you even manage that ? Like do you need photo evidence the person who joined your discord server that they are a penis haver?
Yep, she banned me from her TH-cam because I mentioned I'm a girl
And I kinda still feel bad about it, but after some research I'm glad I don't support her anymore
I was just a superficial viewer so I didn't know she was problematic
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How the turn tables...
"I've become the monster I've sworn to slay."
yo dawg, I heard you like community notes so I had the community note your community note so you can community your notes.
Man Carrying Community Notes Violating Community Notes Violating People
Kusa is a great guy. His shipping is fast too I was surprised how fast I Got my fishman plushie. Seeing this person degrade him so for making hand crafted loving merchandise for vtubers. Just felt a ball in my stomach with disgust. I'm so glad to see people come together and defend them. I get the feeling he'll be busy making plushies for the next year + because of it all so in the end at least some good came of it all.
Seeing the Phase talents send Kusa a bunch of support after this was really heartwarming.
as a Vtuber I would have some concerns about others making money off my OC; but at the same time, personally, that would only be for mass market type companies. Indie artists and small batch hand made creations isn't enough to go nuclear over.
the thing with him was that he joined the discord and did nothing but self-promo then sold them for 100 dollars each in dms, meaning he made almost two months worth of salary in vietnam for plushies that had no neck and unlevel eyes.
@@geesehaibruh, rent per person is already $250-500 a month. You need at least $10 to eat a day. How the hell is $100 gonna last 2 months? If you don't live here, just don't say anything
@@geesehaiboth of my parent make $2500 a month here and we are fking poor
Community note: he NEVER says desu.
I think the even crazier part was that prior to that gumpai was getting a little recognition from some phase girls for her unhinged tweets. Then she blocked them... Phase has pretty much cornered the market for this niche and that would have been an easy boost in exposure. She seems hellbent on destroying her reputation
I remember seeing that. If I remember correctly from other people's comments and stuff, basically she is a super jealous person and apparently thinks or wants all of her followers to be dating her. Any females in her discord get banned cause she wants to be the only female the guys are surrounded with. Oh, and apparently her discord is made for subs only. If you aren't a sub, you can't see any channels aside from announcment. Unfortunately she has the discord link disabled right now, so I never got a chance to see it all for myself. Cause yes, hearing everything made me curious on how true it all was.
Its always weird to see someone starting to do well then they do some stuff like this
Xd
@@MMDAnimatrix The literal embodiment of a pick me girl
@@MMDAnimatrix
This person just sounds sad
Sad that "CN violations" changed Owners...
"The higher you fly, the deeper you'll fall" perfectly applies to almost anything lately, including here.
Visa and Mastercard stop payments for art sites that are a bit naughty... but have no problem at all with Onlyfans and Tiktok...
This is what we call ABSOLUTELY FLAGRANT HYPOCRISY.
Nah cause they ✡s own those sites. Independent artists and japanese sites? Not yet.
It wasn't that long ago when Onlyfans was going to ban adult videos due to pressure from Visa and Mastercard. It's literally Fansly's origin story.
The difference is that Onlyfans and Tiktok don't host CP, those are the sites that Visa and Mastercard are pulling away from because they don't want to be associated with that stuff.
they were also banning users from buying firearms, the purchasing of which is perfectly legal practice in the US and borderline unconstitutional to ban users from making legal purchases.
Wait. If they ban using credit cards to buy firearms. That mean someone has to pay in cash.
That will be it harder to trace.
ATF will surely not agree with this.
It's always a good day when v-tweeters gets called out by the community notes
so they call themself a vtuber but all they do is tweet dont even have a model sad
@@Fyre19 no she as a model and she stream shes just a insane gfe vtuber and stupid personality
@@Fyre19 Or they do but literally never use it, they just commissioned it and... sort of have it.
No, she's more of a pngtuber, she is actually reacting to this video... On Kick
@@weebtrash1400 Oh, so she's a nobody. Got it
Yeah, whenever I get up at 5.45 in the morning to do 9 hours of hard physical labor I always think to myself "well at least I am not a v-tuber".
yeah, whenever I go to sleep at 5 45 in the morning after playing vidya games for 9 hours of hard work, I always think to myself "damn, I sure do love being a v-tuber"
Community Notes and Violations lived long enough to see themselves become the villain
>vtuber
>meltdown
Mmm… Monday already?
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@@xX_gamerboy_Xx delta force knows where you are.. im kidding.. sierra echo niner niner.. oops i mean.. your funny
is it monday? sheeit..
It's Tuesday in here tho
If Community Notes was a stand, it's name would be Za Ratio.
Seriously? That has nothing to do with tarot or rock music.
(The twenty-two stands in Part 3 were named for the Crowley tarot deck's greater arcana, while later stands were named for rock bands and songs.)
5:55 I think its perfectly fine for a vtuber to not want someone else (who is unknown to her) to come on their discord server to sell things to their community unsolicited, Kusa should have just DMed gumpai first before approaching people in her community to sell these and Kusa himself seems to realize this.
Seems her major gripe isn't the initial creation of the plushies but the selling of them and DMing users in her discord she took issue with.
However completely out of line for her to go on twitter and paint Kusa as some threat to other communities.
This whole thing could have been dealt with in DMs but atleast gumpai is honest in her bio about being completely regarded and dumb lol
That is kinda my take here too, the meltdown was unnecessary but I can't wrap my head around people defending making of a plushy without prior approval from an IP owner. Like you are making something from someones design - first for someone who commissioned you and most likely didn't have permission either to use the IP and create another 4 of them and try to sell them on that communities server. Like personally if someone made merch from my design and sold it behind my back I would instantly C&D this kind of thing.
@@zesurah yep, that literally stealing
Hot take: you're both wrong. Gumpai shouldn't have used inflammatory language and handled this privately, but it's not "entitlement" to want a cut of the profit from your character's likeness. That commission and those sales would not have happened if Gumpai had not existed.
I'm gonna disagree - mostly because this logic sets a dangerous follow through, and people don't get to cherry pick it.
The toy maker commissioned to make a character, the chatacter was made and they where paid.
Because there where extra, and they decided to sell the rest of their stock - not making an official selling of the product, just getting rid of extra, in a place where he knew it would be appreciated.
This would be like demanding a fan to cut you in on profit because they made and sell commissioned fanart.
Imagine that; a creator demanding/expecting a cut of the sale of FOUR pieces of content. Crazy work
Legally speaking - sure Gumpai had right to a cut. Ethically speaking, she didn't do anything outside of owning the character.
You would not be giving Gumpai a pass if she wasn't an indie Vtuber or if the character in question was owned by a large business. Because that sounds insane otherwise, and vice versa.
Just based ok the size of both - it makes more sense for Gumpai to commission the toy maker and make an official selling of the doll, instead of expecting him to fork off profits they made mostly independent of her outside of her small contribution - and she expected him to do that (hence demanding he send her his product with no mention of PAYING HIM, while critiquing the quality) she was simply entitled .
@@whatteamwildcats4033 Ethically the toy maker is in the wrong. He sold plushies of her model without her knowledge or consent. There is no defending that. She absolutely overreacted and this should have been held privately, but fundamentally she is in the right. I’m sure if it wasn’t an individual toy maker but a large toy company who stole the model and was selling art works of it, you would have a much different opinion about the situation. Because of that, your logic is not sound.
@@Jug_Pack someone didn't read my comment fully.
Edit:
Also it was a commission and he had extras - he didn't go out of the way to make merch, he was selling stock he didn't need that would otherwise go to waste.
Are you seriously trying to frame this like he did something wrong?
are also making the stance that people that sell commissions/content that can include fan content need to ask permission to sell those commissions?
Are you really standing toes down on the notion that someone needs to ask, say Disney to make fan made commissions or art?
Or hoyoverse
Or eff it, anyone who's character you make fanart off if someone commissions you? Most people don't care/don't take the stance of demanding money from artists/creators in this case. Gumpai is just entitled even if she's legally right.
@@whatteamwildcats4033 I guess I missed the “vice versa,” but that only means that you know that you don’t have consistent logic. No matter the size of the vtuber or toy maker/company, you always need permission to sell art works of characters you do not own. The toy maker in this case never had permission, even with the initial commission.
@Jug_Pack yeah - you don't get it, and I don't care to explain it to you.
Agree to disagree.
It’s the start of a new week and we can’t even get through a day without drama. I love the shoutout the guy got at 7:00 . Always gotta support the fans!
Bro they sold the gimmick account, it really isnt anything new. People do the same with TH-cam channels with those shitty "get me to 100k subs with no video" people you see in comments that spam ragebait.
ohhh thats what those are for, good to know
Drama aside, very wholesome chungus that rev actually Included the guy asking to be included on the video
I can understand how she feels, I probably wouldn't like it either if someone was profiting off of my likeness (VTuber likeness in this case) but she handled it very poorly.
Now since she probably hadn't trademarked her Vtuber model it's not illegal for him to do this but I would say it's in poor taste to profit off of someone else.
If I was an artist I'd probably just approach the person like: 'I got a commission to make a plushie based on your likeness, is that ok with you? I'd be willing to split the profits with you' or something like that, but that's just me. 🤷🏼♂️
Now none of that is an excuse for any of the other stuff she did/said though. 😂
It’s art therefore she wouldn’t need to trademark it as she likely has automatic copyright of her art.
@@jordans4362 If she lives in America, yes. As soon as you commercially use something and it is unique, you are giving rights for said thing.
Wait, so Kusa sold merch from someones model without their permission?
How is that not wrong? Isnt this the same thing Filian did and was rightfully criticised for?
The meltdown was over the top, no debating that, but Kusa did something wrong if he didnt get permission...
Yeah, the original was a one-off made on commission. But Kusa made more than one, and the client only ended up with one. So far so good. So now to dump the rest. Which is understandable to not like as the person the plushie is derived from. Since it technically violates IP laws.
please never stop making these community notes videos rev, they’re so funny 🤣🤣🤣
Kusa: Huh, I got some leftover prototypes from that guy's commission. Throwing them away would be a waste, I'll see if some fans of the character would like to buy them for cheap.
Gumpai: How dare you! You can't just make a profit off my image without paying me! Why didn't you send me those plushies for free so I can make a profit off your labor at no cost!
maximalism is him/her
Merchant behavior
@ghoulbuster1 CRAPPY merchant behaviour: good merchants know better
Community notes are the only thing keeping the site alive
rev PLEASEE look into gumpai/zhuuba more, shes an insane rabbit hole to peer into
Yeah, I went to check upon that rabbit hole a couple of months ago and it was crazy. Definitely something you can make more than a video on, it has pretty much everything in terms of sexism, racism, stuff like that.
Community Notes & Violations "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Some real Harvey Dent vibes isn't it, why would they do this.
Love it when people get their shit pushed in
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Yep, this is actually a chat-GPT bot.
I'm not entirely ok with making money of someone elses IP.
But there are definitely better ways to handle it than blowing up over a measly four plushies sold.
its hand made plush, people do that for for everything from mlp to anime. and the profit margins are kinda bad and slow. selling hundreds would be one thing, but they tend to make singles to a dozen
The thing is, I understand her being upset about it. I don't agree with how she handled it, but I personally have always kind of been a bit on the edge with commissioned fan art of a character. I know it's not possible to get permission for big popular cartoons and anime. But when it's commissioned fan art of an artist's OC or, in this case, a Vtuber, it's where the grey area is for me. Because it's not impossible to contact these people and say, "Hey, someone commissioned me to make art of your character/you, do you mind?"
Again, I don't agree with her reaction, and how she handled it. I can just understand why it upset her, even if the amount sold was small.
@@Dante2056 It's one of those things where it's an opportunity to do something good... that... got wasted making a mess
Community notes are the best thing to ever come out of Twitter ngl
pretty low bar compared to what twitter was for the vast majority of its existence, and largely still is.
@@jormungand72true. Still, a good thing in a sea of neutral and bad things is still best by default
I love community notes but some are so dumb, imagine getting noted on a joke post only for the note to explain why the joke is funny.
Yeah that wasn't racist, he just said vietnam is extremely cheap which is just a fact, you can live for very little money in Vitnam
He's totally wrong in the plushie thing tho, it's not like there's an entire factory selling plushies, it's just making custom made plushies in his house
Westerners think calling a country what it is is rayseest. The thing with the plushie though is unless you got permission to monetize some small creator's OC, you don't do it. It's common of Chinese and Asian sellers stealing your artwork, chibis or fanart to sell at cons without you knowing.
It doesn't matter what was said, it's the way it was said. It was said in a very derogatory way to make it seem like all people in that country are rich and have no trouble getting money, so the plush creator is completely out of line for even THINKING about doing something with fanart for monetary gain. It was meant as a stab at the person, it was not positive nor even a bad joke. That's what makes it so bad. It's putting down another person specifically because of the country they are from.
Yea honestly, i'm Vietnamese, i wouldn't say it's racist, but like please don't kid yourself. Even without the context it was a very, very weird comment to make by that vtuber.
@@winterlantern5695 Oh yeah I agree if it's just a corporation looking to mass produce it, but they are custom made, the guy sews them himself to order so it's like getting a comission for art really.
@@madmantheepic7278 It wasn't weird, it was just irrelevant and dumb because whether you make a lot of money or not from something doesn't make it right or wrong, he could be making $1 or $500 a plushie, it's irrelevant
congrats Icky427 you made it to the video
"The absolute MadMan."
11:30 The Tyson vs Jake Paul fight was so bad that I pirated it and still wanted my money back.
Yo rev can I make plushies of you and strawb and not cut you guys in?
Do it. And sell it on this chat and discord too! Since he's supporting what that vietnamese did.
I think Gumpai has a point if she doesn't want someone else to profit off her character.
not really and the guy has the right to sell rest of the inventory. It's not really fair to him if he loses money.
Gumpai just acts like an entitled little bish at this point.
@@agamersinsanity Huh? Why does he have the right to sell merch of her character?
@@agamersinsanityYou are wrong: he does not a have a legal right to her IP. It's his own fault he screwed up and made more, not her's. If he truly didn't want the plushies to go to waste he could have given it away for free, maybe only asking for shipping costs. It's also possible he made a surplus on purpose to sell; how do you 'accidentally' make more plushies?
Please dont be one of those who calles everything racism that is not in fact racism. This needs to stop.
Rev is a normie. He'll never name them nor be non-PC. He calls unknowns "they".
Must be a bot. Totally not what I said or mentioned XD
Nice to take a break from the normal drama for community notes drama. That SAO community note was a nice lore refresher XD
I will not stand up for Visa Mastercard as they're one of those companies targeting Anime/Manga providers in Japan.
Do you mean stand up for? Rather than stand up to?
@@christophermonteith2774 Yeah. Thanks for the correction.
Sorry but the thing with the vtuber is just wrong...
Sure she did go nuklear and that was not right, but that is not the point...
Every person that draws, etc for money of a character that they down have the permision for, they can be sued and it doesen't matter if they where commision fort it by some fan
Most of the time it is just ingnord, becouse it is not worth it going after it or becouse it is promoting the person, etc
As a excemple
If someone draws a picture of Shylily, they have to copyright to the picture
But becouse Shylily has the copyright to the carachter, she can dmca / sue everyone that is trying to make a profit of it
But even when she has the copyright to the character, she can't use the picture, becouse the copyright for the picture is by the person who draw it
sounds like community notes and violations might have been hacked.
Not gonna lie, $35 USD for a custom plush is a great price.
If you listen carefully, you can hear the wind while Rev is talking.
That is the wind passing between Twitter freaks' ears
Honestly, I can understand the VTuber. Like, it's annoying someone taking your own creation/copyrighted material and make money off it, without you seeing any of that money. Sure, he got comissioned to do one/some of them, but just because he made more than he got comissioned, that does not mean he has the right to sell the rest. Though I do understand the desire to not waste stuff, he should have cleared it up with the VTuber before selling any.
But at last the artist apologized for the transgression and considering it's just about three plushies and I don't know any other cases, where the artist did the same, he seems sincere enough that I in place of the VTuber would have gone with "alright, mistakes happen, just don't do it again". And I definitively would not have gone on a rant on twitter claiming this was R-wording me.
nah the vtuber is wack on all accounts. there are no other accounts of the same because every other creator be it anime, tv, vtuber or even disney doesn't go after fan artists at this level. This is some nintendo level shit from a basically unknown vtuber who has now essentially blacklisted herself from every artist.
I don't think it is entitled to get angry at your image being stolen and someone else profiting from it.
There are tons of merch sold, taken from semi famous content creators and they don't even know about it.
Most of this stuff comes from Asia.
It is protecting your brand, that you probably paid a ton of money for.
I don't care if it is 1 or 4 or 40 or 4000, you should not do that, especially have the balls to go to the streamer channel and trying to sell them directly.
It is like if I made a game and then the game got big. Suddenly all Asian countries start to make mascots of my game character, shirts, hats, mugs ect.
You can't do anything about it either because to protect yourself, you would need to have patents in every single country around the world.
There is no such thing as world patent bureau or any kind of organization, you need to apply in each country directly.
That is only possible in countries that have such protection and respect it, good luck in China.
Also how would you enforce it, you would have to be an billionaire or a huge corporation, which is same thing.
So I can see how it can be infuriating, when your work cost you a lot of money.
Does Gumpai own the copyright to her/his fictional character? If they do own the copyright, then merchandising right of the character belongs to her/him. (At least in the USA).
Though the reaction from this person is eyebrow raising
refering to themselves in third person is not a red flag, that's pretty common in vtubing, including hololive members
Wouldn't say racist, rude yes but racist no. Rev is starting to be similar to woke journalists and youtubers just on the opposite side :/. Like it doesn't bother as much since I tend to agree with a bit of his responses but really I'm starting to see him be the same pushing buzzwords and such.
you can only look at Twitter brain rot as a job for so many years before getting affected by it yourself. I think he's been slowly shifting how he presents things to black and white for a while now. like how he said Kusa did nothing wrong, this isn't true, Kusa didn't get permission to sell those plushes to Gumpai's server. What Gumpai did was overreacting and the issue should have been solved in DMs but that does not mean Kusa did nothing wrong. But I think Rev has been in the Vtuber drama scene for so long that he might be too "worn out" to present the nuances of the topics he's speaking of properly.
It was in fact racism. Directly pointing out his race, then using that fact to make fun of his cost of living and discriminating based on that. That is in fact racism. Is it the worst tier of racism? No, far from it. It would still meet the definition of it though.
@thexp905 No, that's like me telling the police officer when im robbed that the guy is black or white and that is racist. Just because the comment was rude and mentioned the race as a descriptor does not mean it was racist. What they did was mention that the cost of living in Vietnam is low in a rude way, which, by the way, it is. If anything, it's only racist cuz yall weirdly focus on making a description phrase racist and it's just strange and weird.
Well, at least Kusa got some free advertising out of it, I'm tempted to go see what his products look like myself.
Filian makes a toy based on her avatar. >Reeeee the artist
This artist steals an avatar >reee the vtuber
You should at least be consistent Rev
he was following band wagons
@@mdb45424 Exactly. Rev revealed what he is in this video, a genuine grifter that only says what's safe. In this case he wound up agreeing with a horde of transexual communists on twitter because they abused the community notes to post some gay shit under somebody's post.
Oh, he does clay figures. Gonna check him out.
It's one thing for Kusa to make commissions for those who asked for them, it steers into ugly territory to advertise to sell them to a community without permission regardless of how many. Not to say what this "Gumpai" said is ok, but I feel they are in the right to be pissed off. Kusa should of asked before trying to sell first.
Damn Rev, the wind is howling in my room too, but DAYUM it screams in yours lol
"Video's Haunted."
"Excuse me?"
"Video's Haunted."
4:54 “that’s it”
I mean… if she designed the model HERSELF, it’s HER OC that she made on HER OWN, it’s HER copyright hes infringing. He’s profiting off of HER likeness without HER consent. That’s not a cool thing to do even IF he’s a nice guy- he’s still profiting off of HER character
If she just ripped her model off the internet, then she shouldn’t be complaining- she CANT complain since the character ISNT HERS, but if it is, then she has every right to be upset.
This is kinda like the Filian situation (albeit, at an extremely smaller scale). She made merch off of a model that wasn’t hers. He’s made profit off a model that isn’t his, and then goes in HER server to sell the plushies he made without her consent. The core principle in both situations is the same; someone who doesn’t have permission is profiting off of another person’s copyright.
That being said, while he’s 100% in the wrong for infringing her copyright, she’s guilty of being cringe which immediately makes her look worse. She really could’ve avoided all of this if she just said “Please ask me before you sell plushies of my model”
I still find it crazy that you’re framing it as if he didn’t do ANYTHING wrong, when he DID profit off of her likeness.
In this case is diferent as this a transformative art work if the plushie was 1 to 1 like the Vtuber model your statment would be true, but as a Chibi plushie of a Vtuber personification it will be hard to enforce Copyright laws, it´s just like all those artits of Pokémon making new draw, plushies, merch, animated videos fall under the Parodie work and like it or not it´s totally legal to do so
I don't know the specifics of the law in the US about copyright infringement, but I think from a moral stance, it's completely fair for Kusa to replicate her model when he's doing it on commission only, manually and he didn't make her character his core business.
It's like the concept of fair use in media; I'm pretty sure there is an equivalent for vtuber models and similar content. And if there isn't any, there should be.
If it was an big company making continuous production of it, I would agree with you but here, it's not.
@@redplayer3481 I wasn’t thinking about it in a legal aspect- according to the internet, you have to get a license in order to sue, and I doubt she has her stuff licensed- Im looking at it morally, cuz at the end of the day, whether or not it’s 1 to 1, it’s still HER likeness and her name that’s being sold and profited off of, even if it’s just a few people.
I think I was mainly put off by the fact that Rev is acting like she has NO RIGHT to get mad, just cuz she’s a douchebag. Maybe I’m sympathizing too much, but I feel like I’d be a little bummed out if someone started selling merch based off of a Vtuber model I designed myself without even asking if I was okay with it. She def went too far but I feel like his apology was def necessary
@@rigierish3807 imo I don’t think it’s fair. If she’s not okay with her likeness being sold by others, ppl should respect that. Idk how the law works either, or if it’s different based on the work, but the fact that it clearly still looks like her character means it’s prolly infringing her copyright
Edit: on second thought, I dont think I can confidently say that it “clearly still looks like her character” but the fact that he still used her name and created a plushie in her characters likeness has gotta mean something? Idk, I feel like he should’ve asked- either asked before doing the commission or asked before selling in the sever
Regardless, i definitely agree her reaction was over the top
@@thatextrovertartist5474 I mean, I get it, but what I don't like about this whole discussion around copyright is how we're so rigid about it most of the time, by having full control of anything we can create at all time in any market.
Because of course, it would've been better if he contacted her before doing it out of respect and maybe split the money so she can profit from it too, but I feel like unless she already had conquered by being present on market of plushie with her model, it's only fair somebody like Kusa uses the occasion to do it instead by accepting a few exceptional commissions.
But I'm also more of a “liberal” (as a lack of better term) on this part by considering that as long as you show something you created publicly, anybody should be able to make and sell derivatives of it in the form of another product as long as it doesn't step on the original author's business.
We at least agree on the fact that she reacted very badly.
Hands down my favorite news Vtuber.
Sad to see it she didn't used to be this way
Really? I thought she's always like this
Ah, my favorite type of videos from Revsaysdesu.
Old veiwer of gumpai, just so you know you're giving her what she wants. Like, she wants people to hate her, if you go on wayback and find her old vods she says she wants haters.
Ah so the villain role but this isn't going to work in the long run just short burst.
That's just pathetic 😮💨
Well yes she's a hole, duh.
Like DSP?
Noted. I’ll keep her (her? I assume it’s a her) in mind when I choose to simply not watch then.
Weirdly enough, as someone who works a "9-5" I actually agree with the statement that streaming is harder.
That is, becoming a successful streamer, I mean. Any joker with a little know-how can stream stuff, but to be successful at it takes a lot of luck and talent to actually be engaging enough in your streaming to make a profit on it, and while being with an agency can make it easier, there is still a lot of work one has to do behind the scenes to be successful.
I suppose it also depends on the 9-5. I find office work and retail work a lot easier than streaming.
Yeah, streaming CAN be harder than a 9-5, in theory. But yeah, in the general case, pretty much, no.
There's a difference between casual streaming and professional streaming, is suppose.
Yeah a job that you don't worry about having work follow you home.
The "at least not publicly" on the community note about Trump wearing a squirrel costume is great. 🤣
Hmmm but isnt this a Copyright case?
The Avatar is hers, correct? So she has to be involved, if someone solds Plushies of her Avatar.
Didnt we had a similiar Case with Filian and the Merch she wanted to sell, which revealed the copyright issue?
Yes its Fanmade plushies, but the Artist sold them in the Discord of the Streamer without checking, if she is okay with that. Atleast its bad Style.
I’m sorry but after doing the one commission, selling the rest makes it commercial goods. So as much as I disagree with her for 3 plushies. She still would probably be entitled to some profits or whatever. Still stupid though.
Rev I don't believe you covered the Merch stuff appropriately (Yes I know this is a community notes vid).
Coming from a contracts and agreements drafter.
Gumpai has the rights and in regards to IP/Copyright has to protect those rights however if they have ever stated that fan merch/art is allowed then their reaction/outburst is unwarranted.
Yes Kusa should have DM'd and sought permission before posting on the discord as it could breach agreements with licensed merch manufactures.
The exception only being large agencies that allow low volume fan merch and art to be sold without permission.
Isn’t this different for each country? US laws aren’t applicable globally
am i the only one that are thinking about consent in this case? sure the person who was non consented upon creation of this plushie, said some horrible things and should be punished so. But in context, this kinda looks bad. Imagine if i as a plushie creator who profits off plushies, wrote to gawr gura on twitter and got no response if i asked if i can make a plushie. or for that matter got a response , saying sure. then i sent one, but also decided to sell 100's to profit of. i never said initially i would make multiple and profit off of them. even worse, i would gain 100 % of income, and cover corp gets nothing.would this be fair, if i decided upon myself without consent to create these plushies and profit off of them? not even give a % to the company ? or gawr gura for that matter?
i think both in this situation is in the wrong. the indie for harrashing the plushie creator like that, it could had been voiced differently. but also the plushie creator for not asking for permission to profit off of her likeness. i dont feel it is entitlement, more as it is abuse of trust. and that is very uncool.
Community notes was likely sold. Sad to see.
(9:21) So, let me get this straight; Gumpai attacked a toy maker for making a plushie of them, and then she proceeded to promote her Uwu Market merch?
Who does she think she is? Hara Rae?
Devil's advocate...she was complaining about third party, unofficial product, then promoted her own official merch. Makes sense, to be honest. Though I would point out that this kind of situation is what C&Ds and DCMA's are *meant* for, not public attacks and insults.
Let's just destroy all original work. Keep consooooming AI slop products from now on.
7:21 profit is still profit, it doesn’t matter HOW much he profited. You’re asking “who” but this person is big enough to have someone want to have their character in their room.
And given how she’s (like you pointed out) a small Vtuber, she’s prolly broke AF or barely making money off of her streams (given her numbers, i don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that) so it makes sense why she’d be so pressed when someone else is making money off of HER character without asking beforehand
That being said, massive L on her part for the immature and rude response + shaming her audience. She could’ve easily worked out a collab with him, bought a few plushies and then resold them or smthn. Anything would’ve been better than being a douchebag
Actually, based on how she has at least three people that spent over a thousand USD each to give her gifts on Throne, I doubt she'd be broke or barely making money.
Bao's tweet is so wholesome
Until well- bao does the Usual Yabai moment
God was it windy there lol. Sounds like the wind is howling
I thought I was hearing things in the beginning.
@someoneovertheinternet4417 at first I thought it was my work place.
I have worked with many colours over the past 12 years and that, my friends, is not orange.
8:38
To be fair, these big creators have NOTHING to gain from shitting on him. They make enough money off of their OWN merch + revenue from making content, and they probably have a bunch of fan merch (and prolly random sites selling bootlegs of their merch) so another fan made thing isn’t gonna make much of a difference.
Who knows how much this small creator is making, so comparing them like they’re in anyway similar is kinda silly.
Tbh i can understand getting mad about not being asked about making the toys and selling them, though the meltdown was way out of pocket
2nd time in like a week I feel like you missed. They went about it wrong and made some weird tweets but the core of the story being that someone sold merch of their character. We can't have that. Seems like you are justifying it because they only sold 4. So where is the line? What if it was 40, 400? Are we gonna have to start copyrighting every vtuber? Seems like you just went completely around the problem.
Thing is she probably already has copyright if she made her own model, or design at least. When you make an artwork you automatically have copyright on it and don’t need to register it.
The artist that made the plushie likely broke copyright law. Also yeah it doesn’t matter the amount sold if you allow one why not more, it eventually becomes an open door for people to use your character for anything.
@@jordans4362 Wasn't sure how it worked. I imagine most buy a model so who owns what? End of day yeah I imagine the artist should know better.
Rev is a normie. It's true he just goes ragebait without thinking. Heck, he calls singular persons "they".
Ngl Gumpai is a whole can of worms herself
Saw all this happening but had no idea what was even happening.
3:10 video actually starts
Thanks I hate sponsors
Looks like, unlike that toymaker, the culprit trembles over any 0,01 of his country's unit of currency that might've been put in his pocket instead.
5:22 he’s not automatically “allowed” to do that- he should ask for permission first then do it, or it’s fine if the person he’s profiting off of doesn’t care
Cuz, by this logic, Filian SHOULD be able to sell merch based off the model she ripped off the internet- which she shouldn’t and neither should Kusa, even if he’s a good guy, he still did gumpai dirty for not asking for permission. It’s her copyright, not his
I was also going to post similar to this, the exception only being large agencies that allow low volume fan merch and art to be sold without permission. Gumpai has the rights and in regards to IP/Copyright has to protect those rights however if they have ever stated that fan merch/art is allowed then their reaction/outburst is unwarranted.
Yes Kusa should have DM'd and sought permission before posting on the discord as it could breach agreements with licensed merch manufactures.
difference is scale and those involved. Kusa is a small batch artist. Whether he is doing something illegal entirely comes down to the country. he could be protected by American fair use in America, but in Japan the vtuber could certainly go after him if they wanted because no fair use (not sure about Vietnam). However it becomes a case of risk and reward. Is it worth the hit to your PR and legal fees to go after someone for what might amount to a couple hundred dollars of merch.
Filian on the other hand is both a business herself and was working with other companies like goodsmile. Another company using the IP of another company is a big no-no and illegal. Even then technically filian herself likely would not have gotten in actual legal trouble because she could argue she altered the model (but then that gets muddled either by the theft of the model if she pirated it or by her agreement to the creators TOS when she purchased the model). However, just like with Gumpai and as it was the PR blowback can be rather big. Filian came out apologized and is just so much bigger that she was able to turtle and wait out the backlash (she still uses the same model 4 months later and doesn't seem to have any plans to change it). Still though the artist as the IP holder could sue her and sue the companies she worked with. He actively chose not to.
@@xkblxcripple you don't have to defend copyright, that is trademark you have to actively defend or lose it. Gumpai could totally go after him for the plushies. Kusa could argue fair use if said civil trial was in the US for example (not sure if Vietnam has fair use laws). Either way though it becomes a cost factor. Is it worth going to court over 4 plushies, both in monetary cost and in reputation cost. She could hit him with a C&D legally.
Most creators of all sizes just don't do that because its mostly not worth the process of going after fan artists and small batch makers for cons or small stores. There is also fair use considerations and PR outlook. Especially for vtubers going after fan artists is a huge taboo because they make all your stuff. you can't be a vtuber without an artist. What she has done though by essentially breaking the unwritten pass given to fan artists for this of this scale is black list herself from a huge portion of the vtuber fan artist community.
@@switchgear100 They do have some kind of fair use, but they don't explicitly define it.
It's a lot to dig in when it comes to vietnamese laws, and it would be better if a Vietnamese lawyer explain it.
But it wasnt a 1:1 model of the character model and the eye colors wasn't correct. I doubt it's not worth it to go to court about it.
He's most likely allowed to *make* it, but not *sell* it.
Ok, to be fair to that vtuber, it is technically taking from them in a way, and the veitnam comment isn't racist if its factual and has no other statements with it that in turn would make it as such. The r word comment is way too far though, as is the spite on their self promotion, assuming that the apology/ explination was already made
my favorite type of video from rev
Imagine an anime streaming platform triggering anime fans by messing up a popular anime's plot on social media.
It's crunchyroll what do you expect?
If gumpai copyrighted the character, they can sue. What the artist did is literally illegal if it's copyrighted work as Vietnam follows the 2005 IPL. Sorry, but this is an L take: As an artist, you are not allowed to profit off of others' IPs. IP laws are there specifically to protect from this kind of thing happening. The artist should have reached out for permission before agreeing to make something that doesn't belong to them.
well same as many depend on the scale. if only one person do 1 or 2 character just think it fansmade but it is in factory scale that sold hundred or thousand that is different story. the ip can be copyright but sometimes many famous ip close eyes for this only one person fans. also this kind of thing also works as advertistment for free. theres nothing wrong here.
tbh he made 4 in total i wouldn't call it selling it for commercial use. It would have been another matter If he opened up a shop.
@@agamersinsanity Difference in scale doesn't affect if it's fair use, rather the potential damage. I think there will be no financial penalties, but Gumpai should be able to send a cease and desist to Kusa for selling the merch. Plus, Gumpai isn't that big either if we're talking about size.
I mean the vtuber wasnt completely wrong!He didnt make a 100% accuracy of the plushie so he is right to be mad about it
Honestly, if someone was making money off of my created character without my permission I’d be rather annoyed regardless of the number sold. I can only hope that I’d be more temperate than going off and slinging insults around for no reason.
Yeah I can understand that but man, this vtuber just kept doubling/tripling/quadrupling down and acting like she was violated up and down just because this guy sold 3 left over plushies he made to some of her fans. She even started to make fun of the guy’s countries economy(no it’s not racist to make fun of a homogeneous country) but that’s just wild to act so unhinged about not getting getting a cut of 20 dollars a pop lol
@@KuroKumo96 Her rights were literally violated, she makes a post bringing attention to it and people harass her. Seems like she may have been onto something.
@@nophone9311 As unhinged as she went off, I'm on her side this time. You do not touch an OC. If you're in the OC community you know this. I have friends who're in it.
@@winterlantern5695she made the mistake of being cringe. If she’d made a more professional post there would at least be some people in her side; but since she went straight into hyperbolic metaphors and calling this dude a menace to the vtubing world generally it’s a lot harder to take her seriously.
Gumpai: Mail me the extra plushies.
Kusa: To sell right? RIGHT?
Gumpai:
Kusa: Selling inventory is the literally point of making a successful business.
Gumpai For every plush sold of me, I should get a percent! >:(
While I agree Gumpai is being the asshole in this situation, for future reference, Kusa actually isn't allowed to do this at least under U.S. law. Selling fan made vtuber merch, even commissioned, without the consent of the vtuber constitutes trademark infringement. Trademarks do not have to be registered in order to apply in a situation like this.
US law doesn't apply in Vietnam
@@agamersinsanity U.S. law does apply if he is selling to persons in the U.S.
She wouldve been in the right technically but she decided to talk way too much.
I disagree I dont think you should be able to make merchandise for a character you don't own and that includes commissions, its not your intellectual property. If you want to make something and share it with people for free that's one thing but profiting off others IP is theft.
While the sentiment is noble, that isn’t how the law works.
@azervakmonocasco4092 I uhh didn't mention the law , but if we are talking about law it is civil offense to make merchandise of some else's IP in a commercial manner that you can be sued for.
"Rev put me in the video!"
Rev: "You got it chief.There you are."
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6:36 erm actually that's not racism, she just mocking the currency not the race🤓☝🏻
I'm going to tell my grandkids that that was actually P'nut and the CN is fake news.
To be fair, if someone creates something, an intellectual property or a character etc. Someone else should not be profiting off of it without at least contacting the creator first. It is theft, so I understand their frustrations.
But how the owner handled it also wasn't the best way. They could have been more level headed about it.
(I'm not familiar with this whole vtuber thing, but it seems there's a tonne of drama involved lol).
Pippa calling someone crazy is ironic and funny
As someone who did youtube/streaming, and also 9-5's, they're both taxing to some equal degree. Jobs like construction work are 1000x harder than your average 9-5, and streaming gig.
I will say, however, that your average 9-5, depending on the job, can be equally draining to streaming. I work a fairly physically active job, so my body gets aches and pains constantly. I'll feel physically drained and exhausted afterwards. When I did youtube/streamed, I was always mentally exhausted afterwards, feeling more mentally drained than anything.
Are the comparisons equal/the same? No, but comparing between a 9-5 and youtube/streaming experiences, I'd say they can be fairly equal in their toll.
Once again, jobs that are extremely intensive like construction work trumps the average 9-5 and streaming every single time. This is ONLY in reference to an AVERAGE 9-5. Office Work, Restaurant/Grocery Store worker, etc.
there is also the factor with a lot of mentally straining jobs, streaming, teaching, etc compared to say construction or manual labour in that you rarely get to turn it off. You are always essentially working if you are streamer even when not streaming. you are also planning your next stream, looking at numbers, etc. You normal 9-5 after 5 hits you get to clock out and not think about it until 9 the next morning.
The other side though is that you choose to be a streamer or a teacher, you don't just kind of fall into those jobs because you need to pay rent and that is all you can find like a lot of 9-5 jobs. if you don't like streaming you can leave and go work construction. If you are already doing construction or working at a grocery store your options outside of sideward movement into a similar job is much more limited.
Streaming is more draining on you mentally. It's better to be physically tired compared to mentally.
But you would also be quite alone when you stream since it's basically a one man job and the parasocial relationships with your community won't last you long.
I would still say my cleaning job is a lot harder and the same goes for construction.
It's quite easy to get injured, but streaming is a one way ticket and you are out, if you fuck up and it would be hard to come back after that.
Love this series! You always get the best one's Rev
There is one single thing gumpai said that is correct: it's a good rule of thumb to ask the person whose merch you're creating if they and/or the artist who created their model are okay with you creating a plushie of them, since there is a discussion to be had about intellectual property and all that stuff
Also, let's imagine a situation in which Rev was selling plushies of himself for 25$, but someone else was taking commissions to make his plushies for 20$, it would be better for us consumers, but worse for Rev himself, as he would be losing a cut of his profit. Yes, the two sitiations aren't the same, but I believe it should still be noted as something to be careful with
it would fall on the commissionar, and getting ahold of people is harder than you think, most vtuber dont read their email unless it their business email which tend to be hidden.
I can't wait until the vtuber fad ends and people look at their shelves like coming out of a long sleep, saying to themselves "Dude... what the hell did I do with my money for the last six years?"
Supported other people? How is it different from anything else?
1:19 Ghost???
Haha i read this comment right as the noises started. Made me lol