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I’m William, a Sociology researcher at the University of Warwick. I make videos about society and the outdoors. My publications and other creative projects are on my website williambarylo.com . To get in touch, email me at hello@williambarylo.com
PS: This channel is eligible for monetisation. However, I have chosen not to depend on TH-cam for income and not make money out of TH-cam so 1. I can have creative freedom and 2. Offer ad-free videos to my viewers.
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Hi William. I am a muslim who has been living in London for 6 years. I can relate with a lot of what you say in your videos. What I wanted to share is that all the things we have been exposed to is a London issue. In London, everything is about look and every type of relation is transactional. If you go to a city like Birmingham for example, you'll notice that people are much more friendly and open.
I've heard it's even more friendly in Scotland. I've had friends who left the North and the Midlands for Scotland because even Birmingham was too harmful to them. Maybe it's all on a spectrum and once you move out of London things get exponentially better!
Colour they still practise cultured ignorance my brother forget them just concentrate on your DEEN most of the marriages or within the family a lot of them are forced marriages the girl have no say look at them and say to yourself but I'm going to be a better Muslim stay strong my brother
@williambarylo As Selamu Aleykumu my dear brother in Islam. Don't worry about the spouse? If you want? I can help you to find the spouse from my Muslim community? If you didn't find any by now? This video is 6 months old but I've had stumbled up on it now. I wish that you live near my place and my family? You can If you want?
London is miles better than any town up north.
William move to America (Oregon)
If you aren’t married by now
I promise you a great and wonderful
Women.
This was a necessary conversation, so thank you for making it happen. Thank you for being open and genuine. So be it if this means exposing corrupt Muslims. Even if my life depended on it, I would never abandon Islam, but I would abandon corrupt Muslims in a heartbeat. I've learned that if you care about what other people want from you, you'll be in their misery, but if you do what the Creator wants from you, you'll be in the Creator's mercy. I prefer mercy.
100%. I wish I could see that earlier on! And I'm grateful i embraced the faith for God and not the people otherwise i would have abandoned it a thousand times
@@williambaryloa revert told me, when he was an atheist and hated Islam, he used to harass the reverts by asking them to wear hijab or saying that they are not real born muslim etc. Using a fake profile with Muslim name and picture. Astagfirullah 😢 he said it actually worked and many left Islam thinking Muslims bullied them 😢💔💔😔
@@williambaryloth-cam.com/video/UheOilps2zQ/w-d-xo.html
@@BlueSky-zq5ob This is a really scary story! The sad thing is that many actual born Muslim hold the same discourses in person in some mosques and charities. Few people understand that New Muslims need support for building healthy communities
@@williambarylo as a revert I can guarantee you that most of the born muslims I met think reverts are better Muslims. Even though Allah prohibits us to judge others. It took me ages to realise that someone is trying to create tension between born muslims and reverts, I don't know why. There is no such thing as born muslim in Islam or real life. We mainly find it online, did you notice it too?
This video was honest, deep, necessary, and excellent. Being a true Muslims in these times is the same as holding onto a bu®ning coaI, because its very difficult to avoid the fitna at every turn from every direction. May Allah guide us and protect us from ourselves and the fitna around us..
Thank you and yeah for the coal I've learnt my lesson: put on gloves!
@@williambarylo
Haha yeah you need to protect yourself and your iman. May Allah reward you for your efforts. This is the dua of the prophet Muhammad PBUH, after he experienced humiliation by people of a village that he tried to guide:
اللهم اني اشكو لك ضعف قوتي وقلة حيلتي وهواني على الناس. اللهم لا تكلني الى نفسي طرفة عين واصلح لي شأني كله.
this was heart wrenching to watch. May Allah save us from these afflictions
Ameen!
FYI, The Ancient Egyptian Pyramids were originally built as altars, to worship the Elohim Extraterrestrials👽
Bible: Isaiah 19:19 In that day shall there be an altar (pyramid) to the Elohim👽 in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar (obelisk) at the border (of the pyramid) thereof to the Elohim👽.
That's why the pyramids align with the 3 stars of Orion ⭐⭐⭐.
"God" is pagan name, it's from the name Gad, Gad in the bible was a Babylonian God of fortune. Google it! The real Creator YHWH l believe may have been an Extraterrestrial that came to earth thousands of years ago, and according to the Bible's book of Revelation will be back again one day after the evil one known as The Antichrist is revealed.
Isaiah 65:11 But ye are they that forsake me the Elohim YHWH, that forget my holy mountain, and prepare a table offering for Gad, the god of fortune.
I'm so happy that some Christians have finally added the Hebrew word for "god" and "gods" which is "Elohim" to their Bibles.
Berashit (aka Genesis) 1:1 In the beginning ( the) Elohim created the heaven and the earth.
Bereshit (aka Genesis) 1:26 Then Elohim said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness👽.
Genesis 3:8
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Elohim YHWH as he was 🚶♂️WALKING🚶♂️ in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Elohim YHWH among the trees of the garden.
Yechezkel (aka
Ezekiel ) 1:5 ...within it 🛸 was the form of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: They had the appearance of man ( human) 👽
Yahsuah aka Jesus may have been an Elohim Extraterrestrial, Son of the ET Elohim YHWH 👽
John 10:36 Jesus said "I am the Son of (the) Elohim YHWH" 👽🛸
John 8:14 Jesus " l am not from this world " 🌍✨
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto Jesus, "You are My Lord, and my Elohim"👽.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended🛸 to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend🛸 unto my Father, and your Father; and to my Elohim, and your Elohim👽.
Acts 1:9-10 Now when Jesus had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up🛸, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. They looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up🛸
In our Future...
Revelation 21:2 l saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem ( Spaceship🛸), coming down out of heaven from YHWH Elohim 🛸👽
Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! Elohim YHWH dwelling place🛸 is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and Elohim YHWH himself will be with them and be their Elohim.
The truth is finally being revealed! And the truth shall set you free! 🛸👽😁👍
May Allah grant you and your family strength, and may He keep you all steadfast upon the deen. Ameen
I don't think it's a failure. Maybe it's up to us to build the ummah we want to see
I think failing is taking it a bit far out.
How is praying 5 TIMES A DAY TOO MUCH, AYO THATS THE MINIMUM,Brother this is a blessing in disguise; I thought about living in the Uk but now Im doubting
I thought about it as well because there are so many Muslims in uk. But numbers are not helpful if you are ostracized
Yeah i was in shock
Wow! This is shocking to me. I live in the US and born in Muslim family. We have very diverse brothers, those that even don’t understand the language and maybe new to the country. Btw I am studying sociology degree and my Muslim friend happens to be from Poland. He is very humble guy. I don’t know what I did to deserve him. My Allah bless him this life and hereafter. After speaking with few reverts it really breaks my heart How some Muslims behave. I like your point “ we need to create the ummah we want”
Salam brother❤️
Thank you!
William, that was such a beautiful video. I would love to see an interview between you and Shaykh Asrar Rashid. You have such an important take, it needs to be shared with community leaders.
If you know anyone in position to change things or spread the conversations please talk to them
Your more muslim than some 'muslim's' out there bro...❤
Salam...and peace....
Thank you!
This is just so sad. I don't even know what to say. Sending love your way brother William. Salam from America.
WaAlaykum Salaam Thank you!
I'm glad you made this video opened your heart out. It's better to share thoughts and feelings with one another. No need to be a member of some society or a club sort of thing.
Yeah now I am the one choosing the people i want to work and live with. Not the opposite anymore!
@@williambarylo not very long ago I was in the same position as you were and I did what you did. May ALLAH bless you and us. Ameen.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience. I particularly find your ending confirming my thoughts on the matter. It is unfortunate that we find ourselves in this situation as an ummah, but I think there are lessons to be learnt and hopefully we will manage to turn this tide of ugliness and godlessness.
The world is vast and the possibility many. It is God's mercy that we no longer will be duped by the pietistic show some members of the ummah engage in. Engage the world and live fully in line with your values and worldview. Do not look back and keep on moving !
May you and your family live in peace and harmony.
Salaam
YES!! Ameen!
a difficult watch but I am grateful you spoke out. To think that a community could have such a negative impact on a human being must make us hold a mirror to ourselves. Have we picked up all the negative character traits of the indigenous culture and rejected our islamic obligations? Have we become so materialistic that we have wiped the compassion from our hearts? In all our interactions we must check ourselves. I do agree that the UK has a strange culture but there are many nurturung and supportive muslims communities to be found too but you have to be in the right place at the right time.
I pray that yor new destination is positive for you and that Allah strengthens your faith year on year. Ameen
Yes there's always exceptions. I just wish they were easier to find!
As a Pakistani I think it's because most British Muslims came from rural areas. Alot of Pakistanis think British Pakistanis are a strange breed
There's a Pakistani TH-camr called Umar Saleem who made a mock comedy interview of a British Pakistani. I don't know if it has subtitles but it's hilarious
The issue has become that submission to God (Islam) has become synonymous with adopting an ethnic identity here in the UK, and therefore pointing out the toxic traits of that group, questioning certain practices of the group, or not conforming to that group is seen received as a threat to the religion. And because submission to God is effectively participation in a foreignh ethnic culture in the UK, it becomes inherently foreign. And therefore many leave this foreign social group to participate more coherently with the general society, and the general society do not submit to God, because the truth is now packaged as a foreign, toxic, and ethnic faith.
I think your analysis is on point! A lots of things have been mixed up, in addition to a certain way of being British which means stay in your corner, don't welcome newcomers and perpetuate your divisions. Working in non Muslim spaces puts me out of my comfort zone but, especially in the US, I've come across many people of all faiths and none who have very similar ethics and vision of the world, and are much more open and sincere. It's a minority, but they exist. And that gives me so much hope!
Agreed, there is a lot to hope for! Especially as newer generations of muslims become detached from the ethnic identity of their grand parents and great grand parents, it provides the freedom for openness we severely lack at the moment.
Wow! I have had a completely different experiences then you, SubhanAllah. May Allah make it easy for you.
Yes, some people's experiences are fortunately more positive. Ameen.
@@williambarylo I would love to have a chat with you some time 👍
@@BenIqra my email is in the video description
Come to Malaysia ! Many converts and Muslim academics find solace they need there. Hijrah is important.. Allah will bless you and your family with a land in which you can worship Him freely and in peace and security
I thought a long time about Malaysia. It would be a great place. However I've heard that in the recent years, the government has expelled many international academics from universities because they wanted to hire Malaysian citizens in priority. Is it still the case?
The issue is that these people put "الأعراف" (Norms) in traditional sense before islam itself! I think it's a worldwide muslims issue.. I can be wrong though. You will be astonished how this issue exists even between "native" muslims in their own countries.. And I'm experiencing this all the time..
Also bro, you did a great service by talking about this. This ummah in the UK original came from uneducated background which is the reason why they have backward mentality and slowly we will get rid of it, especially by talking we will bring change InshaAllah. And you are doing your bit.
thank you that's very encouraging
Interesting perspective. I see that UK Muslims are producing ab lot of online dawa material. I hope they cleanse the society of evil practices which some ignorants claim is Islam
South-Asian communities suffer from PTSD. Post colonial syndrome is a real thing. The same is happing in Silicon Valley California and Southern California, the South Asian communities are scaring themselves to the core and indeed in the name of Islam. The validation from the white man is so needed, so sad.
Spot on! I came to that conclusion in the UK but I'm surprised, even California??? Nowhere is perfect but i had the impression that education and material comfort meant people are a bit less into that inferiority complex. I guess i was perhaps extremely lucky to only meet the very rare like minded people who welcomed me even though i was a perfect stranger. Are you familiar with GAMA collective?
I'm American and 100% agree. It's not just in Cali. Try going to Texas or New York. Same exact situation.
@@daebak_hana and that is why Islam encourages people to educate them selves on the Faith and not just blindly follow, “Read”. I encourage friends and family to educate them selves on Islam for as certain Muslims actions are highly questionable. Surround yourselves with people that want to please Allah and not their society. As Muslims we should be in constant state of reflection and want to purify our hearts and correct our actions.
@@riab3591 unfortunately there are people who are learned but also have questionable actions. Lack of knowledge isn't always the problem.
@Aron Copeland what's happening in Minneapolis? How are things over there?
Salam may Allah make it easier for you and reward your sabr 🤲🏽
Ameen!
Salam alaykoum brother. I have just found your channel recently and also your movies. It's very interesting, I can see hardwork. I will follow your adventure now and I wish you the best. I needed this kind of experience to understand the complexity of my life path even if it's different of your. As you said the best we can do is learn our Deen. Also we have to accept our complexity and go where whe can flourish in the Islam (place or state of mind). To finish I ask Allah swA to free his believer of the indualism and the consumerism that harm our modern societies. This ideology has corrupt the entire world and penetrated in all the muslim communities i think (maybe I imagine more or less following the contries) but with the education maybe we can push it away and create/find safe places InshAllah. Bonne continuation frère William 💪
Yes it's up to us to start building things that work
My friend listen - you don’t HAVE to integrate yourself with people who are Asian or African Muslims. Just focus on your mission which is worshipping Allah and performing your core Islamic duties >> 5 Pillars and up-skilling yourself in Islamic Knowledge.
Everything is secondary. Hope this simplifies things and makes sense.
P.s Beard length, attire or speaking another language is not important for your Salavation.
If you have difficulty with Pakistanis or other south Asians, then try to go for Albanians, or Bosnians, Russian / Chechen Muslims or Turkish. People closer to your European background.
Would be nice to see more European / Polish Muslims because socialising with those close to your ethnicity or culture is quiet important.
I've had amazing experiences in France with North and West African Muslims. It's not a matter of ethnicity or culture but values
Social interactions are what makes a civilization great. This is part of the worship. Only the people uphold this will prosper.
I learned early on to develop my own relationship with Allah and not depend on the ummah. There are too many complicated cultural hurdles, generational concerns, and yes even class barriers. The comments by brother Ahmed are right on .
@@williambarylo
Yes but it is important to build important links with European reverts especially those of valuable skills experiences and connections
Too much focus on Third World Muslims
It’s time for First world Muslims to take the lead in Western Hemisphere I mean if European descent so as to project Islam as a faith for all instead of the Non European
I wished the Muslims in West were lead by Ethnic European reverts again I stress meritocracy
Dear brother, France is on another level as most of French Muslims are Arabs and they really stick together and embrace every new comer to the Ummah. In England, Muslims are mostly from Pakistan and India, and they like to judge. As for what you are living through, you became Muslim for Allah, not for a bunch of ignorants. It’s Allah who gives sustenance, so stick to your Creator and ignore these illiterates.
Exactly. I pray that people improve and the next generations will be better. We have to build the ummah we want to see
@@williambaryloInsha’Allah.
@@reyyanaslh2488 nah true
Perhaps it's easy to make that conclusion, but as someone who was raised in the UK, Arabs can be just as bad. We are seeing what is happening is Tunisia with black migrants. I personally view it as being because there is more room to be embraced by society if you dance the right dance (read: hate yourself eg go overboard with the PREVENT training in institutions rather than just what is required; talk about how uniquely oppressive your culture is to women) here in the UK. In France, there is no such opportunity (correct me if I'm wrong) and therefore people perhaps make more of a stance and as a community itself facing police brutality, North Africans are more likely to have solidarity with Black siblings in faith and humanity than here in the UK. We do not face police brutality or the same type of criminalisation here.
Assalamualaikum William. I'm not sure why other Muslim would say that. Im born in Muslim family and country, it is very sad if another muslim would accused you of what you have explained. As Muslim, we should welcome a new revert and try as much to help them. Alhamdulillah you understood that it is not religion that cause this instead it is local culture. Dont worry about what people say, Allah knew your heart and intention. Be patient brother.
thank you! Appreciate your support!
Sounds like you lived in the west midlands area, a lot of small minded people here unfortunately. I was part of islamic societies and other organisations, and yes there are many problems here, tbh I'm thinking of leaving the UK as well, I'm hoping the rest of my family will follow.
The South Asian (I am South Asian) diaspora has a very selfish mentality over here where they will only prioritise their family/tribe/caste/ethnicity but it also depends on where you live the UK as well, West Midlands, Yorkshire, and east London are worst affected by this type of mentality and I don't know what to do to change this because there will always be at least one person in each family through each generation who has this mentality and consequent problems (showing off, credit card debt etc) which you describe. It's ironic because the first South Asian immigrants who came to the UK were very scrupulous with their money and established many businesses without much debt yet their descendants feel the need to get into debt just to show off to the community, it's a disease and Islam is the only cure. May Allah guide us British Asian Muslims.
And don't get me started on marriage, if you're not Pakistani, Afghan, Bengali, or Gujarati you will have a very hard time finding a spouse in the UK, alhamdulillah I had the ability to go back to my homeland to find a good spouse because I am not from these communities, I looked for 18 months before making my decision to go back home.
British Asian Muslims have driven someone very valuable away from them due to greed, selfishness and stupidity. I hope you find contentment, happiness and joy wherever you're going in sha Allah. May Allah cure the diseases of our hearts here in the UK, Ameen.
My wife (British Pakistani) and me think that the main issue UK Muslims have been contaminated by UK culture. South Asian culture in itself is beautiful on many aspects and can be open to novelty. I've had much better experiences with Pakistanis born in Pakistan than with those born in Britain. For example, rarey someone from Pakistan will be biased towards Eastern Europeans like in the UK. I think Britain has enforced an inferiority complex on many, which pushes many to abide by Brutish norms of who is valid/who is invalid.
Have you lived in both Birmingham and East London? Which one would you say has a better Muslim community?
@@HashimAziz1 there's no universal better or worse. My experiences were generally similar whether it was in NW London (where i spent most of my time) or in the Midlands or the North (which I'm more familiar with than the Midlands). However if you are Bangladeshi in East London or Pakistani in Birmingham and have your extended family around in East you might find yourself with people around when hardship hits. Or a revert in Cambridge where you have a rare but very inclusive and supportive community around CMC, but these are very specific and local contexts. The only place where, in any city or town across the country, i felt i had a family outside of my blood family was France.
Prophet Muhammed Pbuh said there will come time, when holding your faith be like holding coal. I believe it is that time now. Stay firm in your IMAN.
very true!
This is mind blowing how accurate it is.
That’s why no matter how many marches how many protests how many vigils pleading to our politicians while we act unjustly with prejudice and contempt with reverts and other Muslims of other ethnicities…….
Would be great to share which charity took issue with praying 5 times a day so that people are aware of those zanadiqah and not give them muslim money.
There's already lots of news reports on them since 2015 but a few people can't do much against a multi million pound charity with links in politics
Thank you brother. Also living in the UK they can sue you for defamation which makes it challenging for individuals to challenge deep pockets.
I understand
Life we live in. Is not a garden of flowers...
There's some flowers sometimes. Hidden around the spikes and the thorns
As someone with a North African background but who was born and grew up in France, I never thought that British Muslims were like this. I thought that because of the freedom of practice they were given, it would be easy for immigrants to live there. These people fit the description of what a hypocrite is. I thought about going to England if things keep getting worse here in France but what you described makes me think that it's better to stay in France even if it's hard for hijabi women to find a job. 😅
These people really need to question themselves. You can't call yourself a good muslim if you are racist, full of pride, a thief and an abuser.
May Allah make it easy for you brother. 🤲
Thank you. There are a few pockets where I found really supportive people like in Cambridge. I don't know about France now, things have changed it seems. People in France tell me that it's becoming slowly like the UK, more individualistic, except maybe in smaller cities like Orléans. Ameen to your du'as!
Salam aleykum. Even France changed and became like the situation you described in the video.
Waalaykum Salaam. That's so sad. And how things can change in just 10 years :(
@@williambarylo And many things for the testimony. We met up before, and I find what you said very interesting.
May Allah bless you bro, and keep you firm in Islam.
Don’t let other Muslims make you feel any less.
Ameen
I’ve been through all this and found light at the end of things in the UK. You are welcome to reach out and I’d love to provide support. The community a big space and so people also miss each other while navigating through. May Allah (swa) keep you safe and facilitate you to goodness.
Ameen
Ameen! Thank you for your support. Would be good to chat at some point iA
Just came across your channel watching from South Africa, majority of those people and organisations are also here😢 South African Islam sounds similar to British Islam
Oh no! Nowhere is safe in the world anymore for Muslims!
This is a sad but very accurate assessment of the situation. Muslims in the UK are very little about doing God, and much more about their etno-culural identity. There's a scholar called Muhammad Nizami who has written quite a bit on this subject and something he repeatedly mentions is the superstitious approach to religion. How many muslims have actually read more than a few pages of the Quran inn a language they actually undersand, but have sung the phonemes in Arabic profusely and engaged blindly in rituals. It shows Islam with the capital I is social club here where we do bizarre things. Islam has become a proper noun, and identity when it means submission to God, and God uses it as a verbal noun.
I was about to email you. You should have told me you're on the Nizami course!! My wife is on M1. Most things she tells me about the module are things I've concluded doing my own research back in the days. Back then people made me believe I was crazy. Thank God there's an actual theologian trained in jurisprudence who has been asking the same questions and found similar answers. That really gives me hope.
@@williambarylo that's awesome, I'm on M2. My wife and I did M1 last year and we loved it.
@@thegodlylifepodcast5579 we should just meetup all together
@@williambarylo Definitely, we'd love that
Muslims in uk are known for, rape gangs, grooming gangs, violent drug gangs. Mosques are now half empty on friday. Most are not liked
Brother I live in the United States in Texas and I say it feels very lonely. Most of social life here in Houston involves a hookah lounges and smoking. I don’t like that filthy environment so I just focus on my family as if I’m living on an island.
Damn it sounds like the UK! I've been 3 times to Texas (Austin) as we have friends over there. They too feel very isolated
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
This was/is a topic(s) that definitely needed to me touched upon, and I make dua that Allah (swt) ease your affairs and guide our British brothers and sisters back to the truth of Islam. Wholeheartedly, not “culturally”. I would still contest some of your claims akhi, one being that this is a “UK problem”. You mentioned how you felt the need to integrate with the local community, and that the language you picked up was Urdu. So I assume that the local muslim community that you have interacted with(for the most part), have been Pakistani people, and it’s sadly known the cultural/historical “nuances” that have made the Pakistani community so materialistic. They’ve been in the UK the longest, and they tend to have a Sufi inclination. Making it more probable that they get affected by this liberal/secular way of living.
Ameen. Thank you
as salaam alikom I can say what your expressing is how I feel in the USA and the reason I am moving to Morocco.
Oh no! Sorry to hear that. I pray you find better people wherever you decide to go
Assalaam o alaikum....ASWT is the Only ONE you have to please ..don't worry about the negative people...ALLAH SWTA always knows best...it's what s in your heart ..
YES! Exactly!
I think probably you was to naive!
It's Britain!
It's a self segregated society.
Each community leave next to eachother without any interference.
The Muslim Umah doesn't really exist there.
I've been there for 2 years and my experience was different.
I did like to be in London and I could make Muslim friends.
Beyond this, If you are expected to be accepted by them it won't happen because Bengali and Pakistani were so used to be rejeted by other and mistreated so now there are getting their revenge!
They are showing off so much because they got an inferiority complex toward the others who push them to offset this by having as much belongings as they can!
Definitely. I was only 26 when i came and i definitely didn't have the tools to figure everything out. My wife told me it's things she realised age 7 when seeing her brother getting bullied by other Muslims for going to the mosque. Gosh, glad i realised but wish i saw that quicker!
@@williambarylo I feel really sorry that you had to live this😔
The Muslims actually have an horrible mindset!
Used to be selfish, arrogant and hypocrite!
We living in a time in which the Fitna is quite extreme!
Same as you I feel more confortable by praticising the religion on my own without to care about what the people May think.
May Allah s.w.t. keep you steadfast in your deen and increase your blessings.
Ameen
Dr. William I can relate to so many things you're pointing out in the video. Many of us have the intentions of serving the Umma and we change careers to serve our community. When that same community rejects us, it's very painful. Honestly, if Islam didn't make sense, muslims would be the last reason for some of us to remain on our faith. I can tell you, the effort you are making in sharing your ideas in English which are different than the ones about successful, gimmicky, materialistic muslims then insha'Allah it's worth every effort.
Thank you for these encouraging words! It makes me feel the battle is worth it!
@@williambarylo I find so much solace in your videos. They are painful reflections but at the same time asking deeper questions. Those with true faith get rejected. It's the sunnah in the Quran. I find the Story of Prophet Yusuf so relevant to our experiences of rejection at every level of society. InshaAllah something amazing will come out of your work and it already is I believe. I've just started reading your book published in 2018 and it's very interesting.
@@williambarylo Also Dr. William sorry to leave so many comments but I really appreciate your deep concern for sustainability and the environment. I cannot imagine why our masjid and muslim orgs are some of the least environmentally friendly places. I would love to see you have a deeper discussion on that. You are a blessing for many who are feeling all these emotions but haven't seen it articulated.
@@ummpearls Thank you and don't apologise! I consider I have a duty of using my time to have discussions with people who too, would like to make this world a better place. There's a lot coming once my new book is out, and wonderful people in the UK I wanted to highlight as examples
Once we learn to accept ourselves and then take accountability to change how we are the world changes to accommodate us.
Be, and it will be
It's not others we need to worry about, it's our own self approval that counts
Exactly! I just wish you could learn this in books or on TH-cam but sometimes one has to go through things to learn
I'm British and I'm not a practicing Muslims, strangely it kinda sounds like the British class system is somehow wrapped within the community?
I think it's a valid observation!
From my own experience, it’s NOT worth at all trying to fit in. I found out if I stick to my pure Islamic beliefs and my values I will attract the right kind of people around me. It gives us the proper confidence.
Yes! I second that. Sticking to your values filters out harmful people and attract the nurturing ones
I came to same conclusion as well but I still haven't found any tribe in real life. 😕
@@daebak_hana i really pray we can find or perhaps build our own. It's tough. Very tough. But possible. I met three most beautiful by reaching out and moving places. Trial and error
@@williambarylo alhamdulilah. There is just general lack of muslims in my area. Large number of Muslims mostly live in large cities and I can't stand to live in those environments. Too stressful. Country living is very peaceful but solitary
@@daebak_hana some close friends of ours live outside Austin TX and face the same problem. I'm hoping to move there so we can support each other. I had lots of assumptions about Texas but so far the countryside has offered us some interesting surprises - good people exist. It's rare but they're hanging out somewhere feeling lonely too... until we find them!
after watching this has made me think ive never seen a real struggle, after watching this has made me think ive have little to no knowledge. May Allah give you success, in this life and the next
Thank you Ameen! Things are much better now for me. But there's still people struggling out there!
I'm Glad to hear that@@williambarylo
Allhamdulillah
SubhanAllah
Brother this might be a test or trial from Allah swt .May Allah strengthen you and ease ur troubles and all those people who find it difficult to be in such society.
May Allah ease our difficulties during these times..ameen
Ameen. Instead of test, maybe it's opportunities!
Very Simple Answer:
French Muslims are either Maghrebi or Converts with Maghrebi Friends, The Maghrebi Culture is aggressive on the outside but sweet in the inside.
British Muslims are MOSTLY from Hind (South Asia), and as a south asian living in South Asia myself, our people are drowning in Bidah, arrogant, and nationalistic.
But it's not all doom and gloom. Islam is now more respected in Gen Z here in South Asia due to celebs in the west accepting islam, because South Asia is still colonized mentally by the West, so when they see Westerners accepting Islam, they too respect it. I don't get disturbed for practicing islam by Gen Z-ers but do by Millennials and above here.
But I don't like how you always think it is bad if the british muslims want to live luxuriously, Luxury is not haram, the most you can say it is makrooh, but these muslims grew up hearing from their parents and grandparents the extreme poverty of the british raj, so to them, this luxury and "pilgrimage to dubai" is their "Freedom", their freedom away from being a colonized people. I do agree tho that muslims WORLDWIDE have this obsession with the West.
Here in Bangladesh specifically, it doesn't matter if you are white/black/asian, if you are rich and have a USA or UK or AUS or NZ or FR or CAND passport, you will pretty much be worshipped here. So yeah I do understand what you mean, i just don't like how pessimistic you are.
The tides are changing, but every generation had its problems, our problem is Excess Money, the generation before, their problem was Colonization, the generation before that, their problem was Grave Worship and Saint Worship and lack of focus on Technological Advancement. We can trace problems of each generation all the way back to Yazid's (Ibn Muawiya) generation.
Agree with everything. Wealth is halal and good. In the UK, the problem is that people compete and fight with each other for money, play dirty and boast about their wealth at the expense of religion, it's very different. But there's good people in the UK too who use their wealth in the best way
What's the name of the muslim organisation who said they didn't want to hire you because your pray 5 times a day and that is according to them too much for a muslim?
I won't dignify them by naming them, but I'll definitely write about them in my next book. They already have lots of bad press because they've been doing awful things to others.
I’m Pakistani and few of my relatives live in UK. And I can tell you they do have some superiority complex issue. When they come to Pakistan to meet with family we can totally see a lot of arrogance on their faces. Idk what’s their problem
Fun fact, when I went to Pakistan, people told me they find that British Pakistanis' minds are somewhat stuck in the 1970s.
@@williambarylo I say those mentally colonised are stuck in 19th century 😂 they still believe in “British are superior and rest are inferior” mentality.
One of the truest human. I know ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks man ❤❤❤
Est-ce que le fait que tu étais basé à Londres joue dans cette expérience ? Je veux dire est-ce que la mentalité est la même à Londres et dans d’autres plus petites villes comme Leicester (où il y a une grosse communauté française d’ailleurs) ou Nottingham ? La plupart des personnes que je connais qui ont eu une expérience au UK ont toutes donné un autre son de cloche beaucoup plus positif. Vraiment désolé de ce que tu as pu rencontrer bon courage pour la suite !
J'étais principalement a Londres, mais j'ai aussi beaucoup voyagé pour mes recherches. En effet, j'ai rencontré des gens qui ont eu des expériences positives, mais pour beaucoup c'était parce qu'ils restaient dans leur coin ou avec d'autres couples français. Je pense que si par exemple j'avais déménagé avec une épouse française et travaillait dans un secteur lambda genre finance (au lieu de rester dans le secteur associatif Muslil) et a n'allait à la mosquée qu'une fois par semaine, mon expérience aurait été toute autre
I think it’s high time that’s such discussion take place about the ethnocentrism and cultural exclusiveness that alienate and ostracise converts , and the flaws in the madinan model in the 21st century
@islam4europeans speaks about this in good length and offers more of a alternative pragmatic paradigm , I wish you could reach at to him for a conversation
I deeply empathise with him and his concerns. I think the approach could be tweaked - but maybe it's on purpose. I'm open to chatting to him.
@@williambarylo Yh constructive criticism is always helpful and needed
I can relate so much to this.
Stay strong. Hardships are always temporary
@@williambarylo I left Islam at the age of 16 because I couldn't fit in with the mentality of the Madrasa I was in, then after 7 years of being an atheist I returned to Islam because of the Qur'an. I made the mistake of conflating Islam as a whole with Muslims; I won't make that mistake again, but the sentiments about my fellow brothers in faith are in many cases the same.
That's really strange!!! cause I know in Britain they are network of Muslims who dedicated themselves to help new Muslims. But i am sure there some bad guys in every community as well. Brother find that network and be team member of that group, it will be easy for you In-Shah-Allah.
Yes, there are many of them, but they are still very small (I work with one of them!), and far from where I live. As you said, the way forward is to create more networks of support for everyone!
@@williambarylo Brother, you became Muslim for Allah and yourself, just ignore these people. I have met these kinds of people a lot. I always avoid them.
I think what he has encountered is a group of people that have fallen too in love with the Dunya and its attractions.
That's the disease of the modern world
Come to Morocco, there is community of expats moving to Morocco for a better life away from the rat race and sectarianism and racism. Here in Morocco people are open minded, they feel proud that you are a Muslim and from the west people have a sense of Islamic honour.
yes i've heard, we know friends who moved into small communities in Fez. that's really good. Only challenge would be for us to find a good remote job first.
Moroccan Taghut prevents Muslim women from fulfilling their obligation to cover their faces
Expectations lead to disappointments. Lead your own life, coming on here and complaining says something else about you. Everyone has their experiences. For those of you thinking this unfortunate experience for this individual is exclusive only to the uk then you are wrong. Has he visited every single community and every single mosque? There are 2 million muslims here in the uk. Generalising cuz you've had a bad experience is not fair on the rest of us. Stay positive, keep to yourself.
If i was staying in my own corner i would say yes it's a limited experience. However, when you interview hundreds of people across the country of 10 years (that's my job at uni) and realise that your experience is far from being isolated, that's what you call a trend. Of course, there are always exceptions and people who live 10 years with only good experiences like lots of reverts UK know in Cambridge. However not everyone is fortunate. And i agree that even the community in France or the US have their own problems. Nowhere is perfect.
Well, this has been a sobering video. But i must say this; I understand that as a revert it can be new and difficult for some to differentiate between: people who are only muslims by name, those who are practicing and those who are practicing sincerely. When you grow up in a "muslim" society with a sincerely practicing family, as i have, you quickly learn these differences, it becomes normal. I've learned to not expect the qualities of İslam in just anyone who is culturally Muslim. So actually, these issues arent only British issues, but global issues of Muslims who are losing their faith. These people dont want to see those who remind them of Allah. But dont despair, as long as we are sincere and patient in our way, Allah will reward you with his friends. (Also this video of yours may be misunderstood if watched by a nonmuslim and even used as a way to insult the deen and muslims, i worry.)
Thank you. My wife who grew up in the UK told me the same thing. she told me if she knew me before, she would have advised me never to work for these Muslims charities! When you go to the madrassa with dodgy Qur'an teachers, you learn the difference quickly (and my experience in France was so positive so no way to tell!). I'm careful not to give food to islamophobes as I always mention that these problems have nothing to do with Islam, Middle Eastern or South Asian culture. If only people stuck to their religion and respected their own cultures, nothing of this would happen. Bad behaviour has no culture or religion.
@@williambarylo I appreciate that you are careful about that. I was reading something recently that can shed some light on to these Muslims who have somehow became cruel; it's from a book called "the Words" that was authored by "Bediüzzaman Said Nursi" İn the Thirtieth Word, first part, he talks about the concept of "Ene" which is I'm sure you know means something similar to ego. As a sociologist I'm certain you'll find it very interesting and a core matter that we all must think about. When one let's it's ene strengthen and take the rains, even they're someone incredibly intelligent or a scholar etc, they will not understand the truth. You can find this chapter in English in TH-cam as well. I highly recommend it and it's other books and parts as well. Salaamun aleykum
@@abysswitheyes Thank you! I'll have a look into it
You don't need anybody acceptance, but Allah. Hasbun Allah ho Nemal wakil. Feel good to just look at your attire, my brother. Salam to you. Don't worry.
Thank you
Ibrahim AS was the only muwahhid on earth one of the best people to ever walk the earth and being alone did not deter him from making bara'ah from his people
Salaam. Really am sorry for what has happened to u. This is not Islam. Just remember Allah is with u.
I wish people were not that confusing and told me that from day 1
Alhamdu L'Lah I had a very good welcoming and experience with the Asian community here in London and I am lithuanian so not much different from Poland. I had uncels in mosques offer me their daughters for marriage and brothers offered me sisters I had been invited to many weddings and dinners never really had a bad experiance apart from the unpractising muslims who had bad ahlaaq. But even baring that in mind I have to say that black muslim community had reported to me very bad experiances with the Asian community when it comes to brotherhood and marriage even instances of racism directed at them by imams. I think most this negativity comes from the older generations and the young Muslim seem to be way more accepting and positive.
I'm happy for you. Good people exist and I'm glad you found them. I think also that Lithuanians didn't get it as bad as Polish or Romanians in the UK
@@williambarylo I ask Allah swt to protect you and your emaan and to put you in the company of those he loves.
Stay strong. Allah is there for us.
Yes!
FYI, The Ancient Egyptian Pyramids were originally built as altars, to worship the Elohim Extraterrestrials👽
Bible: Isaiah 19:19 In that day shall there be an altar (pyramid) to the Elohim👽 in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar (obelisk) at the border (of the pyramid) thereof to the Elohim👽.
That's why the pyramids align with the 3 stars of Orion ⭐⭐⭐.
"God" is pagan name, it's from the name Gad, Gad in the bible was a Babylonian God of fortune. Google it! The real Creator YHWH l believe may have been an Extraterrestrial that came to earth thousands of years ago, and according to the Bible's book of Revelation will be back again one day after the evil one known as The Antichrist is revealed.
Isaiah 65:11 But ye are they that forsake me the Elohim YHWH, that forget my holy mountain, and prepare a table offering for Gad, the god of fortune.
I'm so happy that some Christians have finally added the Hebrew word for "god" and "gods" which is "Elohim" to their Bibles.
Berashit (aka Genesis) 1:1 In the beginning ( the) Elohim created the heaven and the earth.
Bereshit (aka Genesis) 1:26 Then Elohim said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness👽.
Genesis 3:8
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Elohim YHWH as he was 🚶♂️WALKING🚶♂️ in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Elohim YHWH among the trees of the garden.
Yechezkel (aka
Ezekiel ) 1:5 ...within it 🛸 was the form of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: They had the appearance of man ( human) 👽
Yahsuah aka Jesus may have been an Elohim Extraterrestrial, Son of the ET Elohim YHWH 👽
John 10:36 Jesus said "I am the Son of (the) Elohim YHWH" 👽🛸
John 8:14 Jesus " l am not from this world " 🌍✨
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto Jesus, "You are My Lord, and my Elohim"👽.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended🛸 to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend🛸 unto my Father, and your Father; and to my Elohim, and your Elohim👽.
Acts 1:9-10 Now when Jesus had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up🛸, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. They looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up🛸
In our Future...
Revelation 21:2 l saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem ( Spaceship🛸), coming down out of heaven from YHWH Elohim 🛸👽
Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! Elohim YHWH dwelling place🛸 is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and Elohim YHWH himself will be with them and be their Elohim.
The truth is finally being revealed! And the truth shall set you free! 🛸👽😁👍
@@carerforever2118 in any case, the Annunaki will return
I just stumbled across your video and I totally agree and testify to the extreme arrogance and hypocrisy of British islam, you are absolutely spot on about these issue's, but unfortunately you will find this virus more prominent amongst Indopak & Bangladeshi Muslims residing in UK... Unfortunately more Muslims are leaving then reverting due to these extremist narratives and scams
I want to think it's something beyond culture but anyways, a few of us need to create a sustainable alternative!
This was brilliant Will.
Thank you
wow i experienced the same. i just thought it was because i was a black revert and maybe other races or ethnic groups had it easier as a revert.
It's not your imagination. There's a hierarchy of white reverts. But still, I think they get more attention than any other reverts. Look at the faces of all the recent "celebrity" reverts popping on social media. It's no coincidence.
Uncomfortable conversations which must be had
I think it’s the Asian culture which is quite rigid ……😮 not other Muslim communities. I’ve lived in the U.K. and I’m African Muslim ……
I don't like to generalise because there's good and bad in every community but it's true that me, my wife or my friends never had bad treatment from Black Muslims ever. I've never seen any Black Muslims claiming to represent the whole of Islam or make a specific point about being British at all cost. I suppose it's also because ther majority of Muslims in Britain don't consider them as valid Muslims because of internalised racism
@@williambarylo yes I agree. I think converts need a network to support eachother in their localities . I don’t believe in this whole blend into the dominant culture thing. There’s a good movie on BBC about a lady who converted to Islam ☪️ in the 70s and lost her British identity ! It’s pretty good! I can’t remember the name but should be on iplayer
I think the problem is that there are still lingering elements of Hinduism and a caste system amongst some of the Indian sub continent Muslims. The majority of Muslims in the UK are of Indian subcontinent descent.
true in Britain! Shockingly, I felt this caste system is less strong in Pakistan for example (but this remains to be studied). Whenever I go to Pakistan and tell people about Britain, they say: "you guys are stuck in the 1970s!"
there are millions of Muslims living in UK for decades & getting all the rights of citizens without any discrimination #
Yes it happens all over the world
Breaks my heart
All the lies I heard about how "Islamic" UK is rn vividly comes to mind
Regular salah offerers also regularly gambling, smoking and drinking
The outright Racism and nationalistic Shirk of my own south Asian community
😔😔
But I am curious as to how you can actually consider the "Ahamadiyya" like groups who also go against the core teachings of Islam
It's not my business to judge what the Ahmadis believe or not. Only thing i know is that they never treated me or my family badly.
@@williambarylo but should people's behaviour towards you matter more than their explicit Innovative Disbelieving beliefs about Islam?
@@ibrahimhossain2776 my parents are Christian and don't even practice their religion. They were tough but never abusive. I would keep my parents a 1000 times over abusive parents of any religion even Muslim.
Well said. A lot of people worship capitalism and Arab chauvinism. May Allah protect us.
Edit: Deleted my previous comment but not before you got to it. Thanks for your kindness.
Ameen. Glad I was quick enough!
"in the Quran, not the british Quran" 🤣🤣🤣
Some people here believe that Surah 115 is called "Al Instagram"
@@williambarylo🤣🤣🤣
lots of muslims unlikely have lost the plot
We are both academics. (Amongst my degrees I have a SOAS degree in Islamic Societies and Cultures/Area Studies and speak fluent Arabic)... the 'religion' in theory and the cultures of peoples who belong to "Islam' in practice is very very very different. I am British-American and I was in Islam for 25 years.... in the middle east.... taken advantage of, abused, held prisoner in a remote village, raped (including my preschool daughters), robbed of everything including my inheritance from my wealthy father, lucky to escape with my life. Tricked into being one of multiple wives and my ex tried to murder our daughters. I could not use Islamic law to defend myself because tribal custom was stronger than 'Islam'. I am lucky to be alive today. I escaped with my seven kids. It's me and God now....I have no time for institutions and communities around them. I have forgiven, no bitterness, I keep telling myself it was only a few people... we are free and safe now. I have to move on. Blessings and compassion to everyone. p.s It is easier I think for women who are converts to blend in than men, because of sociological and psychological reasons/ power dynamics.
This is horrible. I'm sorry that you've been through such difficult things, but sadly I'm not really surprised. People cling onto tribalism. I avoid Muslim spaces and stick to my small circle of friends now. I pray that you can find a way to heal
Thanks William, I am in the USA now. Life and spirituality is a journey....I am nearly 60 now. I leave judgement to Allah. I had a lot of therapy! Spreading love and positivity is paramount. I feel we are on earth to serve and be kind and not to dwell on negativity. I love to see the divine in nature. My kids are happy and I try to show them the positive aspects of their Arab heritage. Thank you for speaking the truth and sharing your ideas and faith. Blessings brother. Wish you the best for your future.
This is sad to hear.
Yes it was 10 painful years but now i can make the choice of being in a happy place
It gives me so much comfort to hear this. The British Muslims claim to own their own Council of Nicea just not in Rome! But do as the Romans do!
Thank you!
I just watched the moment, but Eliads shamanism came to mind in the mystical journey into the underworld
Brother, Islam is perfect and Muslims are not. I don't know why they treated you in a bad way. Just be steadfast with Al Quran and Sunnah.
Thank you!
Loool you know Muslims are not only Punjabi women 😅
Lol thankfully
In the end I can only tell you one thing, the more you experience this behavior, the higher your reward is but the siblings who exhibit such behavior should fear Allah, 0% Taqwa
I like rewards but it's tiring! Let's hope the future generations improve!
Some people will always mock you, but it's nothing compared to connecting with your one and only Allah.
May Allah help you always and keep you strong and steadfast. You don't belong to anyone. You only belong to Allah.
I like this statement! Thank you!
❤
Act like Pakistani muslim to be accepted as a muslim in UK,not Polish.
I've been told I should replace my Polish parents with Punjabi parents. I don't know how to do that.
Did you ever hear of British Christianity or French Christianity or South African Christianity.... sounds more like Collonialism to me - or "made in" ....Brand
Very, very good point!!!
you are talking a lot about the importance of doing your own researche. I find this difficult, first, the only explinatory to the Holy Quran in my language is all about grammar since the one who translated it is not even Muslim himself. So, I tried to learn a little Arabic and compared different short surahs from the two translations of the Quran that exist in my language, plus two different in English and one from another language and came to the conclution it is not even possible, the surahs are not talking about the same thing...and then again, the other Quran that is translated by a Muslim is translated from Urdu, not Arabic...so my way to The Holy Quran is just to listen and respond intuitively to beautiful resitation or read and accept it is just one translation.
Yes, I can imagine it must be difficult. The best translation in English is, according to many, the one from MAS Abdel Haleem published by Oxford - but still could be better
I am sorry you went through this but REMEMBER no Muslim will tell you pray too much I am sorry you went through this the religion is perfect but not the people
Yeah, just realised these guys worship money and not God! How could i have missed such an obvious red flag!
Salaamu'aleykum bro, I'm sorry you have been a victim of this toxic 'British muslim' mentality. There's something about Britons that makes them somehow more important than anyone else, irrespective of their race, ethnicity or religion. So British musulmans have the same mentality. Not all, but many do. It's actually incredibly upsetting. If I were you, I would have long ago made this decision to not change for these so called 'muslims'.
Brother don't be fooled. Muslims will welcome you for their own ego... There are muslim who are open and will accept you and some who will never accept you not matter how good you are unless you are from their tribe...
Learnt that the hard way!
The last revelation of God, revealed upon the last Prophet, Muhammad (saw) is for all Mankind and Djinnkind and maybe the ones that we dont know of. It matters not who you are, it matters what you do. Allahuakbar, May He guide you
Shocking experience! What’s going on in UK…. Very disturbing 😳. Please brother try to cooperate with other siblings who embrace Islam. The imam’s in the masjid‘s are responsible to raise awareness among muslims in the UK.
Yeah that's the only alternative. Building a community for supporting people!
Watched all of it 44:01
May Allah Azzawajal bless you, ameen
thank you, ameen!
Brother you have to protect your own imaam it's your responsibility not someone else remember if you are a convert don't expect a red carpet
I just want people to stop making false advertisements. In Muslims say it's important to stick together and they used to stick to their word. In the UK many told me the same but i didn't see it apart in some rare specific pockets
There’s no red carpet in Islam, but there’s something better than that! it’s called brotherhood! And that’s what prophet Muhammad (pbuh) taught us! Some people in here are replying in an ugly way, because they don’t like their reflections in the mirror… But someone has to talk about this issue as it’s a truth.
Allah Yahdik.
Those who believe, and whose hearts find satisfaction in the remembrance of Allah: for without doubt in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find satisfaction.Turkish;Kalpler Allahın zikri ile mutmain olur.
Alhamdulillah
I'm sorry you feel this way brother but your argument appears to me more of an emotional one. Having said that, I do agree with some of what you've mentioned, but some of it is kinda an inappropriate way to word it and only leads to more division. I could get into it, maybe we can talk about it, I'm starting my own TH-cam channel and would like you as a guest on my channel as I'll be tackling similar topics
I wouldn't post it if it was just my experience. You can't fix problems if you don't identify them. My full time job is to diagnose problems in the society and find solutions so people make it better. This is the result of a 10- year research project on Muslims in the UK based on the testimonies of 70 reverts to Islam, males and females between age 25 to 65, living in London, the North, Wales, Scotland and the Midlands. Alternatively, you can also read literature like the reports from Cambridge Islamic Studies Centre by Suleiman and Anderson about Male and Female Narratives of Conversion. Don't just say sorry. You too, you can make change happen.
@@williambarylo I never once said it was just your experience...
Selam brother
waalaykum Salaam!
I'm a Pakistani. I love you. ❤
Thank you. I love Pakistan. Free Imran Khan