The character clothings and armors are surprisingly historically authentic which don’t normally happen with documentaries and movies on historical China. Well done.
Xiang Yu was the kind of leader you want to follow; Liu Bang was the guy you wanted to drink with. Unfortunately, that's a drink you end up regret having with him. Given what he did to Han Xin. Liu Bang says he was a dragon's son, but in the end he seemed more like a viper.
@@Borderose technically it's was under his wife order, because well, his wife is much more intelligent than him 10 times more, knowing that a powerful man, left with enough power will just take the throne for himself when liu dies, that's what happen when you are paranoid. it's not just eastern, even the west do this things :D
@@johanbee8757 It depends on where you stand. what lu zhi did was for the sake of national stability. But yes of course it was cruel for her to make lady qi a “ human figure” out of jealousy
@@Borderose This is some typical Xiang Yu fanboying, Sima Qian deliberate revisionism nonsense. Don’t get me wrong-I’m not saying Liu Bang was a saint-but Xiang Yu was way worse of a human being during his struggle with Liu Bang (look up his numerous massacres which Liu Bang wisely never did) and way, way worse of a leader/administrator/ruler. Literally the only thing he did better than Liu Bang was tactics, and even then some of Liu Bang’s generals matched him. I seriously doubt that, had Xiang Yu become emperor, he would have created a more stable dynasty that bettered Chinese people and civilization.
Goes to show that in order to be successful, you have to have people skills. Even if you’re the smartest, hardest working, and most talented, without people skills, you won’t go far.
Not really. Different people work on different strength. Wu Ze Tian was not a people person, but she know how to charm the right one person. Qing dynasty Yongzheng was as icy as a metal bar in the winter, but he was no lesser than his father Kang Xi or Qian Long. Yongzheng is known to keep people away at arm length. Even his own family was as close as a stranger to him.
Liu Xi (died 193 BC), better known by his courtesy name Liu Zhong, was an elder brother of Emperor Gaozu, founder of China's Han dynasty. He served as marquess of Hexin, king or prince of Dai, and marquess of Heyang.
Just found your channel and I’m enjoying it a lot. I have a video suggestion if I may. I’ve heard the term “sworn brothers” in several Chinese shows I’ve watched and I’d love to see you go in depth on that! I get the basic idea but I’m sure there are nuances that Have flown over my head
Liu Bang and Xiang Yu has similarity to the anime character types of charismatic impulsive protagonist (Goku, Naruto) and the snobbish gifted 2nd best (Vegeta, Sasuke)
Xiang Yu wields a wicked ge (戈) so maybe you can do a series on Chinese weapons and maybe later on bronze vessel and bell types and their use in ceremony.
For those that don’t know. General Xiang yu was the son of an elite cop from Hong Kong 2001. His father travelled back in time for a fact finding mission on emperor qin. Lol
I found and subscribed to this channel just two weeks ago. It is quite refreshing to hear of this fascinating history from the POV of a young Chinese person rather than that of old white men like me.
Fun and interesting storytelling!!! So many details I never heard of ^_^ I was just reading about this period of history and honestly, Xiang Yu seemed like a brave and courageous warrior/leader (besides not caring about supply lines and letting Zhang Liang take his resources later on) but this guy was totally screwed over. All because Han Xin is the biggest bastard! Liu Bang doesn't seem much better either...making a treaty and quickly breaking it...but still Han Xin is the biggest villain in Xiang Yu's story it seems like(instigating Liu Bang to fight him, stealing his concubine, lying, deception, etc...) So because Xiang Yu didn't give Han Xin the respect he thought he deserved he ends up leaving him to serve Liu Bang. Later on Han Xin almost gets Liu Bang killed by withholding forces but Zhang Liang saves the day I guess. Xiang Yu apparently even told Han Xin to be wary of Liu Bang and how he would end up his downfall, and wouldn't you know it a few years after helping Liu Bang unify China and become emperor, the Emperor's wife orchestrates his death. I would love to see more of this fascinating story! o0o yay part 2 already exists!
Great video! However, the "sinking one's ships" idiom is I feel directly analogous to "burning the boats" which is taken from the Aeneid and also was supposedly done when Cortes reached the Americas. It is to make an action which intentionally prevents retraction, in the belief that it will harden one's resolve. Crossing the Rubicon is more about a daring forward motion from which one cannot return.
Yeah, I had a similar thought, but maybe an Iliad reference? Also it could be that crossing the Rubicon is the right reference if there's an emphasis in the story about him killing his commanding officer. Also let's note the timestamp 15:30
Han Solo: From smuggler to the Supreme Commander of the New Republic military, and Princess Leia finally become my girlfriend despite being rejected for many times by her, I'm the Scoundrel. Liu Bang: From lowly peasants to Emperor of New China, I saved China, I've brought peace, freedom to my new Empire! I'm the Scoundrel and I'M THE SENATE^>^
That was part of the reason Xiang later decided to bury 200k Qin POWs alive; Bai did the same to twice that number in one battle half a century earlier so it was supposedly justice served. Never mind that the 200k POWs buried alive included large numbers of non-Qin conscripts…
How everything favored LiuBang. According to historians study/analyzed At the time XiangYu victory over the Qin’s main force and LiuBang took XiangYang. The mission had considered accomplished. And it was time to decide how the new kingdom should be run next. As the major victory were XiangYu , he was the one had to decide but politically forced to avoid Qin’s dinasty way by united the entire land under one kingdom and himself as the emperor like QinShiHuang did. the moment it was seen as evil path that done by Qin, and the people just had enough. The idea of united under empire was still new and the first one was considered as evil where cause the suffering of the people which is why they fight and just break free from it. There was no other option left rather to make it back to federation stylr where was same by previous empire As soon as the nations were divided again, where XiangYu’S Chu act as the central, The chaos had come back and people saw this as returning to the time like Spring Autumn 6kingdoms with endless war and suffering. Remember Qin dinasty were short, most people were still the one experience directly of 6kingdoms warring era. The politically failure done by XiangYu had set the example and the reason to be united under one empire is now clear than ever before. And it is the same time where LiuBang gain the victory over XiangYu. That’s how LiuBang could proclaim himself as emperor without having any serious challenge from other factions.
0:10 *bursts through doors of work building* "LISTEN UP I REFUSE TO TOIL UNDER THE TYRANNY OF MY SUPERIORS I HAVE WORKED HARD AND THEY STILL HATE ME AND NOW IM LATE FOR WORK-DEAL WITH IT!!REVOLUTION!!!" *Waves around flag while running around screaming like a banshee*
Breaking the pots and sinking the boat isnt just the point of no return, its intentionally pushing yourself to the point of no return, hardening your resolve to confront the challanges you had or die trying
Xiang Yu deliberates put his men on death ground. Under Sun Tzu's Art of War, men will get courage and will gamble everything for survival once they have nothing to lose. Xiang Yu ordered the destructing on cooking utensils and had the men on dried rations. Once they had reached their destination, he ordered the boats be sunk and told the men that the only way to survive was to fight. His men became greatly motivated to win and survived the battle with the Qin army. As a result, Xiang YU's much smaller army had defeated a much larger Qin army.
I know this may sound weird but even though life back then was harder and what not a part of me still wishes I could have lived during those times. Maybe even become a ruler or something lol. Although I'm a white guy so idk how the ancient Chinese would react to me 😂
The costume of the video cover is Zuo ren, which is wrong. The right is right. This is extremely sensitive in Chinese culture for thousands of years. Because Zuo ren represents the foreign race, represents the moral decay and shame. In some places, only the dead can dress like this (zuo ren左衽) It means that the left side of the clothes is stuffed into the right side and the right gusset means that the right side is stuffed into the left side)
Ah, right! I believe that Kongzi mentions that in The Analects as one of the things Guan Zhong prevented from happening to the people of China through his stewardship of Qi under Duke Huan. I never knew the immense significance, thanks for sharing.
Here it is. The story after Shi Huangdi passed away. Actually it's my mistake. I firstly know Han dynasty is after 3 kingdom era. Thanks for making this video. I hope to find some clues about that Shi Huangdi's daughter. OMG! I firstly hope to find that girl but as it turnout. I found an answer for the other questions I had before. I can't thank you enough for this. I haven't finished watching your video yet. I'm kind of get scared to know if Liu bang was from Chu region. Ok. I'll continue watching. I finished watching your video. Was Xiang yu in a part of Chu royal family? His family were just aristocracy. Weren't they?
Did Xiangyu do this prior to Caesar crossing rubicon? According to dchinese series kings war, zhang Laing only agreed to serve after his own lord was killed.
The character clothings and armors are surprisingly historically authentic which don’t normally happen with documentaries and movies on historical China. Well done.
Liu bang put all his points on charisma
He min-max both charisma and luck
@@magicplayer84 ya and luck
Xiang Yu is the kind of warrior you want to fight side by side with, yet Liu Bang is the kind of leader you want to follow. Great video bro！Thumbs up！
Xiang Yu was the kind of leader you want to follow; Liu Bang was the guy you wanted to drink with.
Unfortunately, that's a drink you end up regret having with him. Given what he did to Han Xin. Liu Bang says he was a dragon's son, but in the end he seemed more like a viper.
@@Borderose technically it's was under his wife order, because well, his wife is much more intelligent than him 10 times more,
knowing that a powerful man, left with enough power will just take the throne for himself when liu dies,
that's what happen when you are paranoid.
it's not just eastern, even the west do this things :D
Liu bang wife was cruel, one of the worse empress.
@@johanbee8757 It depends on where you stand. what lu zhi did was for the sake of national stability. But yes of course it was cruel for her to make lady qi a “ human figure” out of jealousy
@@Borderose This is some typical Xiang Yu fanboying, Sima Qian deliberate revisionism nonsense. Don’t get me wrong-I’m not saying Liu Bang was a saint-but Xiang Yu was way worse of a human being during his struggle with Liu Bang (look up his numerous massacres which Liu Bang wisely never did) and way, way worse of a leader/administrator/ruler. Literally the only thing he did better than Liu Bang was tactics, and even then some of Liu Bang’s generals matched him. I seriously doubt that, had Xiang Yu become emperor, he would have created a more stable dynasty that bettered Chinese people and civilization.
Goes to show that in order to be successful, you have to have people skills. Even if you’re the smartest, hardest working, and most talented, without people skills, you won’t go far.
Not really. Different people work on different strength.
Wu Ze Tian was not a people person, but she know how to charm the right one person.
Qing dynasty Yongzheng was as icy as a metal bar in the winter, but he was no lesser than his father Kang Xi or Qian Long.
Yongzheng is known to keep people away at arm length. Even his own family was as close as a stranger to him.
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these series on chinese history are so amazing! thank you so much for the knowlegde and entertainmet you provide
Man I love this channel, very underrated.
You have the best narrative of this time period.
I always thought of Liu Bang that way.
A shame we didn't get a Dynasty Warriors prequel where we'd get to play as Liu Bang
Wish they would do this
Xiang Yu too, basically a Lu Bu but smarter and cooler.
He’s a DLC character in dynasty warriors 9 empires but he isn’t very unique sadly.
Best character ever, legit most realistic guy hahah
Liu Xi (died 193 BC), better known by his courtesy name Liu Zhong, was an elder brother of Emperor Gaozu, founder of China's Han dynasty. He served as marquess of Hexin, king or prince of Dai, and marquess of Heyang.
I like The Conqueror Story(2004). Yes, it's fictionalized but VERY entertaining with its larger than life characters
The xiang yu actor was a great actor..
But the liu bang actor was already a legend in hong kong
Can't find the one with english sub
@@fisherzahari2689 It's on TH-cam
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A video with interesting visual impact and storytelling, you deserve more subscribers!
Just found your channel and I’m enjoying it a lot. I have a video suggestion if I may. I’ve heard the term “sworn brothers” in several Chinese shows I’ve watched and I’d love to see you go in depth on that! I get the basic idea but I’m sure there are nuances that Have flown over my head
Sounds like an interesting idea. Thanks Catherine.
Excellent work here Sir
Liu Bang and Xiang Yu has similarity to the anime character types of charismatic impulsive protagonist (Goku, Naruto) and the snobbish gifted 2nd best (Vegeta, Sasuke)
CJ great video as always... it really cheers my day watching this history videos. Are you a historian or something? This vids are so informative!
Xiang Yu wields a wicked ge (戈) so maybe you can do a series on Chinese weapons and maybe later on bronze vessel and bell types and their use in ceremony.
For those that don’t know. General Xiang yu was the son of an elite cop from Hong Kong 2001. His father travelled back in time for a fact finding mission on emperor qin. Lol
Hey! I love that drama!
Hahahha... That was a good drama
Btw there is a movie acting as a sequel of the TV series that will be released soon en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_to_the_Past
That's a spoiler bro lol. But seriously that's a good show
I found and subscribed to this channel just two weeks ago. It is quite refreshing to hear of this fascinating history from the POV of a young Chinese person rather than that of old white men like me.
I like Xiang Yu alot but he had a nasty habit of ravaging cities and executing POWs. Liu Bang at least got this right
I remember all this what a character home boy was
Fun and interesting storytelling!!! So many details I never heard of ^_^
I was just reading about this period of history and honestly, Xiang Yu seemed like a brave and courageous warrior/leader (besides not caring about supply lines and letting Zhang Liang take his resources later on) but this guy was totally screwed over. All because Han Xin is the biggest bastard! Liu Bang doesn't seem much better either...making a treaty and quickly breaking it...but still Han Xin is the biggest villain in Xiang Yu's story it seems like(instigating Liu Bang to fight him, stealing his concubine, lying, deception, etc...) So because Xiang Yu didn't give Han Xin the respect he thought he deserved he ends up leaving him to serve Liu Bang. Later on Han Xin almost gets Liu Bang killed by withholding forces but Zhang Liang saves the day I guess. Xiang Yu apparently even told Han Xin to be wary of Liu Bang and how he would end up his downfall, and wouldn't you know it a few years after helping Liu Bang unify China and become emperor, the Emperor's wife orchestrates his death. I would love to see more of this fascinating story! o0o yay part 2 already exists!
Xiang Yu sometimes was crazy as well, he had a nasty habit of ravaging cities and executing POWs, and he was suspicious
This is what happens when you roll nat 20 charisma 10 time in a row
Just discover this channel, Xiang Yu is my favourite Chinese historical figure.
you like slaughtering of P.O.Ws and looting of cities?
Great video! However, the "sinking one's ships" idiom is I feel directly analogous to "burning the boats" which is taken from the Aeneid and also was supposedly done when Cortes reached the Americas. It is to make an action which intentionally prevents retraction, in the belief that it will harden one's resolve. Crossing the Rubicon is more about a daring forward motion from which one cannot return.
A more direct parallel, for sure.
Yeah, I had a similar thought, but maybe an Iliad reference? Also it could be that crossing the Rubicon is the right reference if there's an emphasis in the story about him killing his commanding officer. Also let's note the timestamp 15:30
Han Solo: From smuggler to the Supreme Commander of the New Republic military, and Princess Leia finally become my girlfriend despite being rejected for many times by her, I'm the Scoundrel.
Liu Bang: From lowly peasants to Emperor of New China, I saved China, I've brought peace, freedom to my new Empire! I'm the Scoundrel and I'M THE SENATE^>^
your new empire???
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 Obi Wan: My allegiance is to the Republic! Democracy!
@@ReviveHF wtf... XD
this joke doesnt make any (historical) sense, china wasnt like rome, it was like reverse rome in fact XD
Cringe take
Liu Bang story is very similar to Liu Bei... could Liu Bei actually tried to follow Liu Bang path?
Yep. That was Zhuge Liang's plan.
The difference was Liu Bei still has a shame, while Liu Bang was shameless
0:26 The secret technique carried on by Joestar family through generations!
You're my hero.
The moral of this story is:
Fake until you make it...
😂😂😂
Bro Can you do general Bai Qi , who killed 5% of China (at least) and NEVER lost a battle ?
That was part of the reason Xiang later decided to bury 200k Qin POWs alive; Bai did the same to twice that number in one battle half a century earlier so it was supposedly justice served.
Never mind that the 200k POWs buried alive included large numbers of non-Qin conscripts…
June 16th is my birthday!
How everything favored LiuBang. According to historians study/analyzed At the time XiangYu victory over the Qin’s main force and LiuBang took XiangYang. The mission had considered accomplished.
And it was time to decide how the new kingdom should be run next. As the major victory were XiangYu , he was the one had to decide but politically forced to avoid Qin’s dinasty way by united the entire land under one kingdom and himself as the emperor like QinShiHuang did. the moment it was seen as evil path that done by Qin, and the people just had enough. The idea of united under empire was still new and the first one was considered as evil where cause the suffering of the people which is why they fight and just break free from it.
There was no other option left rather to make it back to federation stylr where was same by previous empire
As soon as the nations were divided again, where XiangYu’S Chu act as the central, The chaos had come back and people saw this as returning to the time like Spring Autumn 6kingdoms with endless war and suffering. Remember Qin dinasty were short, most people were still the one experience directly of 6kingdoms warring era. The politically failure done by XiangYu had set the example and the reason to be united under one empire is now clear than ever before. And it is the same time where LiuBang gain the victory over XiangYu. That’s how LiuBang could proclaim himself as emperor without having any serious challenge from other factions.
Basically when you decide to shift all skill points from intellect and strength to charisma and luck.
0:10
*bursts through doors of work building*
"LISTEN UP I REFUSE TO TOIL UNDER THE TYRANNY OF MY SUPERIORS I HAVE WORKED HARD AND THEY STILL HATE ME AND NOW IM LATE FOR WORK-DEAL WITH IT!!REVOLUTION!!!"
*Waves around flag while running around screaming like a banshee*
The original Shonen protagonist
Breaking the pots and sinking the boat isnt just the point of no return, its intentionally pushing yourself to the point of no return, hardening your resolve to confront the challanges you had or die trying
Xiang Yu deliberates put his men on death ground. Under Sun Tzu's Art of War, men will get courage and will gamble everything for survival once they have nothing to lose. Xiang Yu ordered the destructing on cooking utensils and had the men on dried rations. Once they had reached their destination, he ordered the boats be sunk and told the men that the only way to survive was to fight. His men became greatly motivated to win and survived the battle with the Qin army. As a result, Xiang YU's much smaller army had defeated a much larger Qin army.
Wait for Zhu Yuanzhang's episode, who a beggar became Emperor of China.
I wish there was appropriate language for my students who were interested in this topic. I was not able to show it due to the language.
I know this may sound weird but even though life back then was harder and what not a part of me still wishes I could have lived during those times. Maybe even become a ruler or something lol. Although I'm a white guy so idk how the ancient Chinese would react to me 😂
They will say that you are one of the Scythian people in western Mongolia, those Aryans who worship dragons
Do three kingdoms mate.
Later next year, bro. I promise.
The costume of the video cover is Zuo ren, which is wrong. The right is right. This is extremely sensitive in Chinese culture for thousands of years. Because Zuo ren represents the foreign race, represents the moral decay and shame. In some places, only the dead can dress like this (zuo ren左衽) It means that the left side of the clothes is stuffed into the right side and the right gusset means that the right side is stuffed into the left side)
Ah, right! I believe that Kongzi mentions that in The Analects as one of the things Guan Zhong prevented from happening to the people of China through his stewardship of Qi under Duke Huan. I never knew the immense significance, thanks for sharing.
@@HighPriestFuneral Thank you for being so caring about Chinese culture！
Traduzir para o Português, por favor, ou castelhano! Meu avô era da Dinastia Han! Grata!
E minha avó é Romana.
8:40 *THE RED EMPIRE*
Here it is. The story after Shi Huangdi passed away. Actually it's my mistake. I firstly know Han dynasty is after 3 kingdom era. Thanks for making this video. I hope to find some clues about that Shi Huangdi's daughter.
OMG! I firstly hope to find that girl but as it turnout. I found an answer for the other questions I had before. I can't thank you enough for this.
I haven't finished watching your video yet. I'm kind of get scared to know if Liu bang was from Chu region. Ok. I'll continue watching.
I finished watching your video. Was Xiang yu in a part of Chu royal family? His family were just aristocracy. Weren't they?
No no no Han dynasty was before 3 kingdom, one of the King Liu Bei of 3 kingdom was Liu Bang's descendants
Just curious are u from Singapore ? haha
I lived there for a while a long time ago. Lol!
Reply Yes If U Want Liu Bangs Talkshow
Who watched Legend of Chu Han or white vengeance ?
White Vengence sucks... Not worth it
Did Xiangyu do this prior to Caesar crossing rubicon? According to dchinese series kings war, zhang Laing only agreed to serve after his own lord was killed.
This would’ve been ~150 years before Caesar’s rise to power
Well if you did a quick google search you'll see Ceaser wasnt around for another 170ish years.
sounds like a good bs'er
during life on the lame, Liu Bang and his group became a gang of bandits. as if he wasn't silver tongued rascal already.
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