Why Kronii Probably Won't be Playing Elden Ring on Stream Anymore [Hololive EN]
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Its the dark souls of streaming permissions
I just made this comment elsewhere and immediately saw yours. 😂
Actually?
I guess that's also probably the reason why other members didn't bother to continue the series as well
Was just wondering why Miko never finished her playthrough after getting to the final boss
At least non JP companies get to play it easily. I know Henya loves it and has played it multiple times and doesn't have to worry about perms issues despite being in Japan.
Was wondering why bettel didn't try to continue his stream when they announced the dlc. I guess this explains it.
damn, since Ame finished the game and played it so frequently, she must've been sending perm requests non-stop. Nothing can stop that gamer if she enjoys a game enough, hope she plays the DLC too!
Ina was so close to becoming Elden Lord, but stopped at Malenia and Maliketh
I never knew perms were so restrictive, and it never occurred to me they could expire. I always assumed it was a simple “yeah you’re good to go” and that’s it. This is pretty enlightening information.
Expire at least make sense but wtf is this you can only play it on certain day you schedule like wtf is that kind of shit lol.
The most egregious one is pokemon. Hololive doesnt ever have perms for them, they only get to play it due to blanket perms that they give all streamers around the game's launch so long as theyre part of some kind of tournament/event. Thats also why they always have some sort of silly tournament whenever a pokemon game comes out.
@@hankhill6404 Wow is that why? That’s very funny
@@Ragnell123probably mainly because nijisanji is officially collaborating with gamefreak and have like full perms, so hololive only get the month after release to stream the game.
I remember someone saying with like Pokémon they have like a month tops of perms hence why people just deep dive when the games come out because they dont got perms for long with not too much hope of renewing them
Goes to show why they don't continue games sometimes.
It's why certain people decide to graduate over staying with these big companies, because there's more freedom as an indie.
@@TierHarribel Indies don't need to "ask for perms" too?Or they simply don't care?
@@TierHarribel it's definitely a con for a company.
@@TierHarribelbut less subscribers and money though 🤔🤔
@@koyokoyoch.6238 Very true, but way more freedom!
I can understand needing perms, I can even kinda understand they expire and need renew. But the fact you have to get perm to play at specific day and time is just beyond stupid like who the fuck thought this up....
You would be surprised how stupid these can get.
wooooo japan!
Japanese copyright law is famously draconian.
@@sable-king2066 it is actually a hindrance for JP corpos since indies and American corpos don't have perms issues. Just look at Vshojo, Henya gets to play these games because Vshojo is American.
@@sable-king2066 Japanese corporations in general are famously draconian.
Even the permission is dark soul level. 😂
Japan seriously needs to fix its copyright bs.
True.
Especially since Japan doesn’t really have a fair use rule like in NA…
Fromsoftware is actually very friendly with their copyright when it comes to YT content creators, I guess it's more complicated in this case because Cover became so huge and profitable.
We almost didn't get PC versions of Judgment and Lost Judgment 'cause the talent agency has a stranglehold on the likeness of the protagonist.
This isn’t a copyright issue. Honestly how the US works within its Greyarea of fair use it only takes one bad actor to try and sue TH-camrs to have all this blow up in our faces. Japan has good copyright laws with strict and clear guidelines. Cover has to request perms because they’re a large legal entity profiting off other’s works. They don’t have fair use it’s true but I wouldn’t want a company as big as cover profiting off my stuff without permission.
@@Tojeaux_ This is absolutely a copyright issue lol. You can't debate Japanese vs Western intellectual property law and without calling it what it is. The deeper issue is corporate rent-seeking versus cultural freedom.
I love how Kroni is open about this kind of thing, now some of us know why some talents dropped certain kind of games.
True, makes you appreciate that others beat it in its entirety
Fromsoft/Bandai Namco really outdid themselves with Elden Ring's difficulty, right down to the streaming permissions apparently.
Kinda shitty of you to give credit to bandai for elden ring, even as a joke. Theyre such a bad publisher that from soft is tryina cut ties. They had 0 hand in making the game
Elden Ring is also like the second, maybe third, easiest FromSoft game. I understand you're joking, but aside from Malenia, the game's bosses are jokes. You can get absurdly powerful in it in ways you couldn't in previous games. Even outside of using cheese builds.
Some people just can't take a simple joke and move on XD
@@SaveMeXenu This is largely because it's open world, allowing players to easily level up before progressing into areas they should be having difficulty with. Overleveling isn't exclusive to Elden Ring, but it is easier to just explore other areas and get a bunch of levels in Elden Ring than in other FromSoft games. If you farm levels in Dark Souls, you'd have an easy time as well. Ornstein & Smough is trivialized if you're at lvl 80 or higher. In terms of actual difficulty, not artificial difficulty through levels, Elden Ring is far from the easiest. Most bosses are fast and responsive, and they hit pretty hard for their intended level.
It's the Dark Souls of vtuber perms. 😂
"If I had time..."
Said the time warden.
You know what they say... "its never enough time"
Very valuable information, this showed light on many things I didn't know
Honestly it didn't sound bad whatsoever until "you have to be specific on which day you play it"
Okey, but why? Seems like an odd request to make. But to think about it I have to cater to such rules as well so shouldn't be surprising.
@@Limrasson
The reasoning for that is most likely traction and attention. If you're letting a streamer with a large following play the game, and you're spending time and resources to let them play, you're gonna want them to play the game on the day it'll get the most attention. It's basically just "you can't play [game] Saturday, because everyone is going to be watching [other game], and it'll do nothing for [game]. It would also explain why holo members tend to play smaller, indie games more often since they generally wouldn't care as much.
@@Grumpy1174Another commenter explained it well. "Cover Corp has hundreds of sniper scopes pointed at them at all times."
The restrictions are to prevent the talents from getting copyright striked into oblivion. When Hololive was small, it wasn't a problem since small fish feed few mouths. Now, Cover Corp is worth millions. If they don't bed over backwards for the company, they get sued hard and the talent gets hurt in the crossfire.
Just the concept of having to go through the process of getting permission for every single game you want to stream is something I'll never be able to wrap my head around
I think this is why half of EN is burnt out.
it's to avoid what happened to Hololive in 2020
They got hit hard by copyright takedowns and because of that, this system was brought it. They have to avoid that especially now that they are so big
@@rankoprose4156 If game perms were the issue then you'd think JP would be burnt out as well, since many times they're under the same umbrella. Game perms are not the end-all be-all of streaming, and thinking that the difficulty of game perms burns streamers out is overestimate the issue.
The only EN member to confess burnout is Gura, and it wasn't related to game perms.
I imagine that it really depends on the game. Some games might have indefinite company-wide perms, other games might need to be requested. In the end, it's up to the managers to contact the companies, which would take some load off from the streamers.
I Imagine that indie developers gladly hand out perms to streamers and content creators, so it might be easy to guess how a perms request will go by looking at the pusblisher
Sounds like some people don't know that Hololive almost got deleted off TH-cam because of lack of permissions. This is them protecting their talents and channels, no matter how silly it might seem lul.
It is a Japanese disadvantage they have to deal with. But it is no wonder why Vesper left.
Uh.. what the fuck are you talking about? You mean that one time they had one problem because of perms and decided internally to NUKE 80% of their talents content without even letting them know? I know youre not actually taking hololives side on that horrible fucking issue, are you?
@@rankoprose4156 Vesper and Magni seemed to have more complex creative disagreements with hololive than game permissions to be fair. Like how Magni felt very creatively limited in the kinds of streams he wanted to do, I remember him saying how frustrated he was that it seemed like he just couldn't do another stream similar to that one Judge Magni stream.
Not the point
Doesnt change the fact that the rule itself is bs
You shouldnt need perms for simply streaming video games at all
Japanese corpos are ass backwards and live under a rock when it comes to modern streaming
Is this exclusively a Japan problem. I know the U.S has false copyright claim problems but most people seem to be able to stream any game they want with mostly little issue's?
No wonder Aqua did it in golden week
Wow, this is starting to make sense for a lot of things....I guess that's the consequence of almost being deleted from TH-cam due to copyright years ago.
The Perms are the reason why some games get like 1 or 2 streams and no more after that. :c
And it is hurting Hololive as well when other vtubers do not have to abide by those rules.
@@rankoprose4156 It really isn't. Hololive is on another level from any other podunk vtuber "organization". Hololive is the New York Yankees while all other Vtuber orgs are still playing children's tee ball.
@@rankoprose4156its the price for being in a big company.
One girl not abiding by the rules can bring the other 60 down
Okay that actually explains a fair few things I've sometimes vaguely wondered about. Kinda nice to have a summary of some of the background processes we normally only see the end result of without context - or _don't_ see, as the case might be.
Well, this probably explains why Ina never came back to finish after returning from her health break back then, despite how much she loved the game. It probably also explains why IRyS didn't finish with "Mini-Radahn" even though she was the one who won the lv.1 Tree Sentinel race.
And being in Japan they can't even complain about it without risking being sued for slander.
But it doesn’t explain it, because they just plain didn’t go get the perms again at all, period. So im still confused lol
@@NousagiCaptainthe process of getting permission is a pain and very time consuming. If anyone in Hololive actually like a game enough, they'd rather just play it on their own time rather than go through the process.
@@NousagiCaptain are you really going to go through days of paper work just to get to do something in a specific way, at a specifix time, for limited time, for a game thats not that relevant anymore, while there are other games and projects happening at the same tlme?
@@rankoprose4156not really gonna be sued for slander. They just probably dont bring it up to not cause drama.
Shows how much I know about this industry. I thought she was talking about hair perms and got super confused. "Doesn't your model's hair stay up regardless?"
I'm a dumbass.
I seen comments bashing Gura for not finishing DMC4 and said that she got “bored” of the game or she’s a fake fan of the series. Biboo was able to finish the series most likely due to still being new to Hololive so she has a lot more free time while Gura is the face of Hololive, she has a lot more responsibilities than streaming games she loves and unfortunately suffered burnout.
Ahh, the mortal enemy of fun and efficiency: Bureaucracy
But fr, it sucks that you can't do something you enjoy at your own pace because of the weird red tape surrounding it
I can understand needing to schedule these things in advance so that viewers know what's coming up and know when to tune in if they want to watch, but at the same time it does feel crappy that if you want to play said game on stream, you can't just immediately go ahead and play it, you have to wait for the higher ups to approve it, and by that time your personal want to play it may have gone away by that time.
Bureacracy sucks because in this case, it requires a lot of diligence and forethought to make sure you can just keep the content you want to produce going with as few hiccups as possible.
I'm kinda the same way, when it comes to events outside of my regular workschedule that are still for work (company meetings and one-on-ones with my manager) I suck at remembering them so I have to make sure I give myself a safety net to remind myself that they exist or I'll fully miss them
It sucks but it is necessary
@@ero-senninsama1734it sucks that it is necessary.
One of the benefits of being a western Indy VT.
That explains it, been wondering for so long
Eh? Companies don't like free advertising anymore? The Hololive girls managed to make Suika game popular.
Companies like control. It gives power of leverage. I would be very surprised if these companies don't use permissions as pressure points when bargaining in other negotiations.
I kinda thought handling that kind of thing was the manager's *job*, but maybe Kronii doesn't want to burden the management, or needs to be in a specific mood to enjoy Elden Ring that cannot be scheduled
God.. why's she gotta crush my dreams man? I just wanna see my oshis play my favorite game 😢
Probably why we won't see Ina finish it either unfortunately..
But knowing that they're enjoying it on their own still makes me happy 😊
this is why japanese streamers prefer to stream non japanese game like minecraft, lol, valorant, apex, etc, no matter if you're a corpo vtubers or indie vtubers, if you grow big enough they will demand perms from you, even yuki chihiro ex-member of nijisanji jp, the only japanese game she play as new indie is the exit 8 and bunny garden, japanese games from smaller company
At least it is cause of perms. From the Title I was worried her chat was back seating her in a way that turned her off from the game.
Little thought to Hakos Baelz who finished Persona 5 Royal, a game on which she spent a lot of time and hell it must have been to constantly renew the permissions.🤯
I was expecting the reason to be back seating or just not enjoying it. Shame we can't see it but I'm happy she likes it
Oh shit. Vesper was right. The girls stream work is only 30-40% of their work. They really do work super hard offline fixing all these shits. Once again massive respect to the girls who consistently stream and never giving up on the grind.
I suppose thats one of the reasons he quit, in one of his last streams he was talking that he enjoyed a lot streaming but the rest of the work he does it out of obligation
Ml wonder half of EN is burnt out
@@rankoprose4156 idk, i want to think with the debut of advent they feel more confortable taking longer or more often breaks now that are more people in the EN side, remember that time most EN members were either sick or on a break and it was just Kiara and Bae streaming. 2022 or 2021 i don't remember well, were hard times for EN
@@rankoprose4156 most aren't burnt out at all. The only one that isn't really streaming is Gura due to personal life and she is just more comfortable doing it like this now. She has mentioned that 2020-2021 gura cannot come back
Ame just returned after moving house. Mumei is still healing and preparing for her birthday outside of that there really isn't anyone who doesn't stream a fair amount. Oh and Calli just had major surgery but she is going to be back by juneish most likely.
So this idea that they are burnt out is just a lie
There are struggles yes but we see the same struggles from ID and JP as well
@@rankoprose4156 Show me a HoloEN member who's said they're "burnt" out due to game permissions. And don't use Kronii because she never said she's "burnt out" even in this clip.
All of the HoloEN members currently not streaming have valid reasons for doing so, as posted by @GuruFromEHRPG in this thread.
Respect!
time warden having a time problem classic kronii
I wish Fromsoft would take it easy already. Nintendo used to be strict with their perm on Holo in a similar fashion (still, Nintendo let them monetize their games,) but for whatever reasons I wont assume, they let Holo stream whenever.
Absolutely understandable.
Unfortunately, this is one of the major cons of being a corporate vtuber. Gotta deal with annoying perms and restrictions if you're gonna enjoy the bountiful rewards of being in a company especially a JP company.
*Japanese corporate vtuber. Non japanese corpos don't have to deal with perms issues.
If you grow to be big indie then they will demand for permission, its the same
I guess the best way to avoid annoying perm restrictions is start a vtuber company where there are less copyright restrictions in another country.
@@matthewvazquez4455 if you make a comoany, and you grow big enough, they will start asking for revenue for the IP you are using, sooner or later
I feel like the only way to really play at their leisure, would be to record it offstream and then just upload it as a let's play when they have perms.
Even that would be incredibly difficult to negotiate. People need to understand that a non-zero part of this comes from the massive hostility, and in some cases outright hatred, many company c-suites feel toward game streamers. There are a *lot* of of companies who would like all game streamers, including Hololive, to just go away.
@@SpaceDrakeBut like... why? It's free advertising.
In fact, it's not even free, the companies got money from the game the streamer bought!
@@raznaak Japanese c-suite types have traditionally not seen it that way at all. They view streaming as barely one step removed from outright piracy - every stream viewer, every person experiencing the content that way, is a potential lost sale. Yes, it seems hideously backwards to folks involved with the anglophone streaming scene, but that is how it is. These are the waters Cover has to try and navigate.
@@raznaak they see it as people watching the game = people who could have bought and played it themselves instead. It's really that simple, agree or not
Kronii has grown mentally stronger. She said on her debut that she hates rage-inducing games, now she says Elden Ring is a fun game :O
Japanese draconian copyright laws at its finest.
Man, the more I learn about agency limitations with perms, the more I understand Mint and Dokibird's excitement at being indie. Like, not needing perms is generally what they're most excited for. Could this also be the reason why Hololive start arcs for all its livers? I mean, if someone from the agency already got the perms, it only makes sense that the others would be excited for it as well. Like Monster Hunter World. Everyone at JP started playing it, then EN began catching up. I know Iofi loves it but she kinda stopped streaming it at some point in the past. Maybe because they lost the perms for it until Armis started their own arc?
Elden ring speedrun challenge: beat the perm expiration by beating the game in one stream.
Would be sick if the talents who have played it in their spare time and love it just did a random “get as far as I can before the corpos get me stream” even if they gotta take it down later
Corpo vtubers moment lmao
Jesus Christ what a hassle. I didn't imagine it was this painful.
I'm sure she'll be playing when the DLC drops
Japanese company and being obsessively jealous over other people using their IPs, name a more iconic duo.
I find this subject so interesting. It makes me wonder if they have to be more guarded because the copyright laws are weaker there. Any opportunity to use them must be taken maybe.
@@dave3429 From what I've gathered, copyright laws in Japan are significantly stronger than the US. Japanese companies have complete and utter control over their IP. There are no exceptions for fair use or parody or anything like that. They may look the other way for small indies/etc., but anything the size of Cover is going to need explicit permission.
@@lostinthemeta9266Then you have other companies almost begging for Hololive to play their games.
@@lostinthemeta9266
Japanese copyright laws go beyond just being "stronger" than they are in the US. There's straight up no such thing as fair use. You can't even name a company by name without opening yourself up to copyright issues with the company. It's insane.
@@lostinthemeta9266 Infact cover not asking for permissions almost killed hololive in 2020 and it's why their so careful about that now.
the perms really sound like a pain
Biboo finished her playthrough over 2 months. Wouldn't they be planning for the dlc release?
Yea well i guess that's the problem of working with agencies
Damn... Kronii must be busy if the warden of time doesn't have enough time to play videogames
Perms sound incredibly strict.
Kronii: :D
Wow... I didn't know... Damn, that sucks. I thought once you have perms that's it, you're good to go permanently.
Sad.
It’s a shame they never got perms for helldiver 2 for whatever reason
Sounds like a nightmare to deal with this trash, poor girls.
Japanese gaming companies have perfected the art of making amazing games and then handling literally everything else around them like absolute shit.
That's so unfortunate. Don't know why those companies make it so hard for people to, you know, promote your game for free? So baffling.
Not even for free, they got the money from the game the streamers bought!
@@raznaak Exactly lol. I just can't understand.
Those perms exist because of capcom
I didnt realize perms had to be resubmit monthly?
Each publisher will have negotiated perms differently with Cover, so in some cases they get a blanket "whenever you want, however long you want" permission while other times--like with Elden Ring--they get temporary permissions with additional caveats (like having to turn off SCs)
Depends on the publisher. For some publishers they just give blanket "you can play all of our games forever period", like with Devolver Digital (this is how Bae managed to play Genital Jousting, since it's a Devolver game) or ActiBlizz (Kiara mentioned once that Hololive has permissions for all Blizzard games), while for others they throw in a whole lot more conditions on the permissions like with FromSoft and Atlus.
Wow kroniis new outfit
Nations waged war when they saw the outfit.
Sucks man. I would have loved to watch her play fire emblem engage all the through with how much she loves feh.
when she says perms does she mean permission right?
How fucken fickle is Japans copyright system?
this is probably also the reason none of them played helldivers
Idk what the word perm is. Is it some kind of subscription fee?
It's short for permission
They need permission from Bandai Namco and FromSoft to stream it. Hololive does not want any possibility of copyright striking to happen on their vtuber channels at all. It happened in the past with Capcom and many channels almost got deleted.
@@Ryo39 oh I see, thank you
Plus if you stream Fromsoft games, you'll get the worst backseating experience in your life. On top of that, you can't get superchat donations.
I thought the whole point of belonging to an idol agency and having a manager was so that they wouldn't have to worry about administrative stuff like that...
Well, they don't negotiate the permissions with the companies themselves, they just ask management to do it.
But bureaucracy being what it is, it takes time.
Really? REALLY? What the hell is the point of this permit system? I challenge anyone to make sense of this for me.
This sounds like a TH-cam/ corporate problem cuz literally nobody has this issue on Twitch
Japan needs to update its copyright law and have Western style fair use added. Needing publisher permissions just to play a game is a hassle.
No wonder some prefer to just stay as indie vtubers, this shit sounds so stressfull
It is worse as an English speaking JP corpro vtuber since you can't even get the perks as easily of being in Hololive. You give up your freedom to a corpro and a country that restrain you. No wonder half of EN is burnt out.
is it for the non-indie only?
needing permission to stream a game is so stupid as long as they aint being wild just let them do what they want
JP Copyright laws preventing streamers from just playing the games that they want to play is ridiculous honestly. It makes complete sense that the popular Vtuber agencies are Japanese companies, but it's such a shame it had to be that way for many reasons that extend far beyond simple copyright issues. Time and time again it's proven to be such a hassle to work for a company based in a country as needlessly strict and strange as Japan.
One of the sad things being part of a company as a vtuber.
Iris had the same.
Problem with doom
Just play it anyways. Ef the perms.
huh... perms, by means permission?
Yeah
@@TaiyakiClips huh.... kinda worried, seems kronii kinda aggresive in this stream
@@ZerroTo0Probably still sad that people compare her new costume to AO, it cost alot of money that doesnt make alot of impact as she expect
@@NhatAnhPhamDr well tbh. I noticed the similarities, but never thought it was a thing
@@ZerroTo0 she's rightfully annoyed by Cover's asinine bureaucracy.
perms? like doing hair?
they all need to ask for perms individualy?
Yes becase its all individual channels with differemt schedules
@@ero-senninsama1734 I thought Hololive manager sent in a request to namco bandai or fromsoftware asking if their streamers can play their games in X month. But guess it's special for each streamer and then have to be specific days and time?
@@McDudes it depends on the publisher. Yes. For some reason, FromSoftware has does conditions for Hololive.
@@McDudes The process seems to go through certain representatives, considering what Kiara said about that one indie "frog game". The company recieved a Hololive request asking for perms, but since the developer coincidentally is a KFP, they guessed it was Kiara who asked for it.
This seems to depend on the game they're trying to play. Some games have blanket company perms that allow all the talents to play it, which is why we get "flavor of the month" games where every talent suddenly plays the same game at the same time e.g. Stray, and we know there is a "permissions list" that Hololive talents check to check out games they haven't asked personally asked perms for, e.g. Genital Jousting. Others seem to require each member to ask their manager for individual perms.
While I recognize the requirements are a bit insane, this is nothing that can't be solved with some simple foresight and planning. Just ask permission for like a whole week ahead of time and then just stream it on the day you feel like and don't on the others. It's not like you have to stream it just because you asked permission for it, right?
Wow, hearing this makes me respect Kiara even more considering she's one of the members who play long games and actually finish them.
lol comments now blaming hololive for perms? it's not even their fault in the first place.
Corpa
I think this is ridiculous.
The games and the game companies could be getting free advertisement out of simply letting people play as they want and stream it.
Yet they choose to be hardasses about it for some odd reason.
Its because they are allowed to, and they know that Cover Corp is willing to pay for this BS so their talents can stream
Is it free advertisement when everyone knows your game already? Probably just see it as lost sales
Huh didn't expect fromsoft to be so stingy about their game or is this on bandai namco as the publisher
That’s the problem with being a Corpo vTuber working for a Japanese company. VShojo and Phase Connect dont have to do any of that permissions shit lol.
Just goes to show you those old corporates supposed leader is already outdated and rotten.
perms hate
Getting the permission to play the game is one thing, but, having to be on a specific day and time, always ? That's strange, Pekora played just fine, Elden Ring.
Hololive needs to reestablish here in the U.S., so they don’t have to worry about this garbage.
Welcome to my world nippon 🇯🇵 where laws are most stupidly makes no sense.
It's wild that the people in these outfits have to ask permission to play video games. How ridiculous is this junk
Big brain move for sure. Just let people play your games and advertise them for free, lol.
Capitalism at its best
even Nintendo is letting holomember play all the game except pokemon
@@raisofahri5797 i theorize that might be because Pokemon has some sort of exclusivity with Nijisanji, maybe. I domt know, but it seems. Nijisanji is Hololive's rival so there is that.
wait they need permissions again ??
Do other TH-camrs also have to get perms?
Wait why do they need to keep getting permission to play games that were already approved?
Makes sense why some vtubers who went back to indie would be excited about playing anything they want. I knew about the perms but didn’t know the process until now, it really is restrictive
Yep. Or at least be in a corpro that isn't japanese.
thats literally a cheat code for non japanese ex-jp corpo vtubers, i wonder why theres no more big names graduation these past few months, they really need to change how things work in japan its literally a handicap if you grow big enough in japan even as indie you will need permission to stream japanese games, total bs
@@dewaeryadi7776you also get a fixed salary, get hundreds or thousands of dollars in merch, and you even have to get resting or medical leaves without big repercussions.
@@dewaeryadi7776 Because for many agency vtubers, the support and resources the agency gives them is worth more to them than the difficulty of gaming permissions. Do you think talents like Sora, Suisei, AZKi, Watame, Raden, etc., care much for game permissions, when they are able to achieve their non-gaming dreams while inside Hololive? Who cares if you can't get perms for Elden Ring when you get to perform on The First Take, or officially collaborate with national museums, or be able to do projects with industry-famous actors?
People seem to make the mistake that game streams are the end-all be-all of streaming.
@@StrikeNoir105E It's just fucking Gamers thinking everything revolves around their little hobby and knowing literally nothing about the world outside it
Ironically this only happens because they are a Japanese company ,which is sad ,but that's Japan's copyright law's for you .
Wtf is a perm?
wait you cant stream elden ring without permission?