Olympus E-M5 II High-Res Review: 40 megapixels for $1,100 (vs D810)
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- Chelsea & I test the new Olympus to see if the "40 megapixels" claim is a gimmick... or if the world's best still-life camera is 1/3 the price of the Nikon D810. Landscapes & product photography.
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I love the shot, but I'm way more interested in that quick detach magic. Details!!!!
In the beginning of the video, Chelsea says She is Using a Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8. Then she draws attention to the chromatic aberration it produces, then she says that if Olympus wants to get part of the market for high quality imaging, they needed to make better lenses, because "glass matters".
Those comments would only be appropriate had she actually been using an Olympus lens.
cnocbui Yes, many people have brought up that we were using a Panasonic lens. The point is that the Olympus 12-40 f2.8 has similar image quality, neither of which are any where near the Sigma 24-105, Canon/Nikon 24-70s, etc. In the MFT world, if you want a good quality zoom, you need a speedbooster and the Sigma 18-35 f1.8, and that's clumsy and loses autofocus.
Tony Northrup Have you actually tried and tested either the Olympus 12-40mm f2.8 or the 40-150mm f2.8 and are therefore basing that opinion on actual usage and testing or are you looking at those awfully misleading DXO ratings that are biased in favour of sensor size?
At MTF50 - Lenstip measured the centre resolution of the Sigma at 44 lp/mm at f4 (24mm) while the Olympus 12-40mm f2.8 achieves 78 lp/mm at f2.8 (12mm)
At the edge, same focal lengths and apertures, the Sigma achieves 30 lp/mm while the Olympus resolves 69 lp/mm
Lenstip's measurement of chromatic aberration in the Sigma at 24mm f4 is 0.17% while the for the Olympus at 12mm f2.8 it's 0.041%
The Olympus outperforms the Sigma optically by a very wide margin. The Sigma only seems decent because of the far greater sensor size and pixel pitch it is projecting to. The fall-off in performance of the Sigma towards the corners is pronounced, dropping to only 62% of the centre performance at 24mm f4 while in the corner, the Olympus retains 81.5% of it's performance at 12mm f2.8.
Tony Northrup
"In the MFT world, if you want a good quality zoom, you need a speedbooster and the Sigma 18-35 f1.8, and that's clumsy and loses autofocus."
Is this some kind of joke? You mention the Olympus 12-40 2.8, but then you instantly forget about it when you say that there are no good quality zooms in the system. The Oly 12-40 2.8 is insanely sharp, blowing Canon, Nikon, and Sigma lenses with similar focal ranges out of the water, while being smaller and lighter.
Logically, that statement is not incorrect. She clearly stated that the lens is Panasonic while comparing it to the Sigma.
"...they're gonna need better lenses, too. Glass matters."
It's not a negative remark at all.
"Olympus need to produce better lenses". Hmm.
So Tony concludes with "Best still camera in the world" (outside of medium format monsters), and a bunch of people in comments brush it off with "its a gimmick". For 1100$ you get a light camera for travel and general photography, access to a pretty good lineup of lenses for MFT, ability to shoot good video, and the best still shots. I'd say its a pretty good deal, especially if you want a lighter body than standard DSLR.
I know! It's so crazy that people have an OPINION about Tony's OPINION.
It's very good gimmick/feature, and definitely could work for some landscape or architecture work too (the artifacts can probably be fixed on post later). It's something that will be game changer later on (when olympus will hone it to be handholdable , like they have hinted they will in an interview) but right now this is sort of an appetizer of what is to come in the future. I suspect samsung might pick up this "gimmick" (or feature) sooner than Sony will, since they already have a feature for selecting "best smiles" when taking several pictures and then merges into one.
This very feature might be a real threat to dslrs if it's honed to perfection and put into smartphones.
kingalias Is that your OPINION about peoples OPINION that person has OPINION? ;)
paristo :-P
***** Oly already gave the technology to Sony as a way to help payback Sony's bailout. So the next generation of a7's will probably have this feature(gimmick).
I liked the production value and pacing on this video. Well done. Interesting camera for sure. Curious to see the review when it comes out.
I think you nailed it, this is for product photography or static landscapes like windless days in the dessert, or snow covered vistas.
1. The P12-35 is sharper at 35 than 12, conversely the 12-40 is sharper at 12, and is auto corrected for chromatic aberration. If you are going to shoot wide-angle with a zoom the 12-40 is the smart choice. Sensational statements like Oly's glass is bad when you aren't even using it really does nothing for the credibility of the review.
"If Olympus really wants a part of the market for high quality imaging they're gonna need to produce better lenses too, glass matters" As you stated, you're not using Olympus glass but if the test is being done with Panasonic glass, the request for better glass should be directed towards Panasonic. Would of loved to have seen the results using Olympus glass. I believe, Olympus bodies apply some corrections when Olympus glass is attached to their bodies, those corrections not being applied to other manufacturers glass.
***** The point was that the Olympus glass isn't any better (we also have the 12-40 f2.8); you can check DxOMark for sharpness scores. It doesn't really matter who makes it, but someone needs to produce pro-quality zooms for MFT.
Regarding corrections, I shoot in raw and allow Lightroom to apply corrections, so it's all the same regardless.
Tony Northrup If as you say you have the Oly 12-40 then it was very remiss of you not to test it with the E-M5 Mark2 and by the way every review I've read on this Olympus PRO Zoom praises it very highly!!!
Logically, that statement is not incorrect. She clearly stated that the lens is Panasonic while comparing it to the Sigma.
"...they're gonna need better lenses, too. Glass matters."
It's not a negative remark at all.
Nice review of both the positive and negatives of the hi-res mode.
I am curious if you could use adapted lens that could out resolve the sensor to see if it would improve the hi-res mode. I am also wondering what affect the higher end primes - say the Olympus 75mm 1.8 or Panasonic 45mm 1.2 have for hi-res shots.
For your full review, I am wondering if you could test out both live time and live composite modes, I think it would be interesting to see how it compares to do an in camera light paining or start trail photo vs. doing that post-process.
Thank you for the reviews. There are couple of things I would like to see in the full review.
1 a comprehensive comparison of gh4 fhd to em5ii 77 Mbps video
2 a comprehensive look at the clean HDMI output for recording because of the spec below right out of Olympus spec sheet. No one has addressed the not recommended bit. If you don't have an atoms HDMI recorder similar, it would be great if you could beg borrow or steal one
HDMI
With (GUI* is shown on connected device only, and peaking function is not available when connected by HDMI.)
*GUI can be hidden on the connected device by pressing down on INFO button for recording an external drive under the following condition. Movie quality: YCbCr 4:2:2 / Frame rate: same as movie setting (24p, 30p and 60p settings are not recommended.) / Sound recording: not available
I loved all of your camera reviews, I've watched your review of the Olympus OMD EM10 and you rated as your favor travel camera, you also mention some of the faults, I know Olympus updated with the mk ii version. Can you have a review on that camera as I'm in the market and can't decide on Sony a6100 or Olympus OMD EM10 mk ii. Thank you in advance.
nice video, could you also review the grip/battery unit and flash for this setup; as most of us (with big hands, or shooting in portrait orientation) would be using it in this configuration and as this makes it bigger; whether this is a good thing (getting a small camera and adding a grip)- especially price wise.
Tony, How much does the crop of the sensor impact things? When zoomed out, it looks like the D800 has a little excess on the sides that the E-M5 doesn't have.
Also, I'd be interested to see mounting a lens to the tripod and switching the camera would impact results.
As to the weird artifacts on the statute, since it was a static object, they probably resulted from the default in-camera settings which would render a mixture of high contrast/sharpening, Normal to High Gradation (dynamic range control), and/or shadow highlight tonal curve. Next time try dialing down the sharpening to -2 and contrast to -1 or -2 in the selected Picture Mode. Set Gradation in the super control panel to "Low" and be sure that the Highlight and Shadow control is set to default (0,0).
It be awesome if you can do a head to head match up with the gh4...I know they upped the bit rate on the omd not quite to gh4 level but the 5 axis image stabilization has been prazed highly from lots of videographers ....Looking forward to your review...
that is pretty cool results, it seems like it could be used for architecture, and according to Olympus the next generation you will be able to do 40mp hand held, so the micro 4/3 could compete with full frame, but still not in low light, i would like to see a company do this technology with full frame, maybe Sony, and I'm looking forward to seeing what you think of the new Canon 5DSr when it comes out
Thanks for the great videos. Chelsea is making it even better! .... This seem to be a game changer. I have always been disappointed with Canon with the real ground breaking technology for the price. Sony, Samsung and now Olympus are showing something real, while Canon is only rehashing their technologies. You really get the feeling they are just withholding stuff for the next model. One top reason for me to want to get the 5Ds/r is for product photography. Landscape photographers can rely on using image stitching to get the ultimate resolution. Not that hard to find a good low distortion prime lens, even vintage Zeiss etc, find the nodal point, and assemble a perfect stitch. But this Olympus may be able to do the trick for product photography at less than 1/3 the price. Not to mention the image stabilization. Imaging how good/useful the Canon 85mm f1.2 can be shot with image stabilization. Do you think Canon will ever put image stabilization on their bodies? Nah...... Oh by the way, Nikon is not that much better either.....
About the CA from the Panasonic lens, I believe that Olympus bodies don't support automatic correction of CA, vignetting and distortion like they do for Olympus lenses. Vice versa for Olympus lenses on Panasonic bodies. Also, did you switch OIS off on the lens? It's possible the artifacts were caused by the lens compensating for tiny movements in the tripod in the outdoor, public environment.
hello mr. Northrup, might be a stupid question I am a digital beginner. As you emphasized the sensitivity in that studio product shoot set up: isn't there something like a wireless remote shutter release available? If not, that would surprise me. I am asking because I like this high res feature (I shoot stills of motionless objects on beaches, in particular shells yet also dead fish, turtles and what else, that got landed). and thank you for your reviews and in particular tutorials, very instructive for a 61year old beginner in digital. Your tempo is not too high :)
Tony Northrup what light controller are you using on top of the cameras? it looks pretty cool
I'd like to see the live bulb feature used in a few scenarios. Cheers
On the studio pack shots, why didn't you trigger the shutter release from your smartphone or use the timer, rather than inducing shake by pressing the shutter button?
Could you review the audio controls in the camera menu? I want to know the extent to which the sensitivity can be controlled when I use it with my Rode videomic pro. Thanks!
What triggers were you using for that indoor shot?
Pretty cool... but only on a tripod isn't exactly a true 40mp in my opinion. A cool feature no doubt, but it's got some major *buts*.
Hey Tony and Chelsea, as for the chromatic aberration problem, have you guys tried shooting the EM5 mk II using Olympus' 12-40mm f2.8 rather than using Panasonic's 12-35mm f2.8? The Panasonic lenses aren't being corrected on Olympus body and can cause lots of chromatic aberration in Olympus body.
bajigurwedangronde The Olympus is about the same for CA, but either is easily fixed in Lightroom. Neither zoom lens is particularly sharp, though.
Tony Northrup Thanks for the clarification :). Though I haven't tried the Olympus zoom, I have the Panasonic zoom and I agree that it isn't that much sharper when compared to the kit lenses or the Panasonic 14-140mm.
Anyway, thank you guys for the effort of making the video during such cold winter days, I really appreciate it :)
Tony Northrup Ee ? Olympus 12-40 is sharper then panasonic. At 12mm and with a disabled distortion correction (which is on a huge side - 8.5%) it produces stellar corner to corner sharpness.
I was disappointed in your use of the P12-35 as the P7-14, P25, P12-35 all have know chromatic issues with the E-M5. It is unfair that you attribute the CA to the body and not the lens. I would suggest that you reshoot the video using the more appropriate lens.
It will be interesting when Olympus brings this technology in a hand-held form to the E-M1 mk ii as they said they are working on.
Tony Northrup
The Oly 12-40 2.8 is actually VERY sharp Tony. It's pretty much as sharp as some of the good primes like the Oly 45mm 1.8 or the 25mm 1.8
Even at 2.8, the 12-40 is extremly sharp. And at 4.0 is even better.
It's in a very different (higher) league than the cheaper zooms like the 12-50, etc.
Tony any chance of reviewing the fuji xf50-140 2.8 lens comparing it to nikon/canon 70-200mm 2.8
Any suggestion on Mirror less system cameras, kind of looking to switch due to a wrist injury. cant really deal with the heft and weight of DSLR much these days. but still looking for something that can hold its own.
why didnt they just use olympus glass and not panasonic?
They're interchangeable (all part of the MFT system) and have similar optical qualities. We have Panasonic zooms because they have image stabilization built-in and we use it for video. The Prime is an Olympus, the sharpest lens for the system.
Tony Northrup im aware that olympus and panasonic are both MFT and use the same mount =P. Just saying I'm surprised you would use a non olympus lens for a olympus camera review... and then when you mention the image stabilization for the panasonic lens for video.. wouldn't you want to test the EM5's new 5 stop IS? either way, looking forward to the full review!
Hi Tony Northrup , what Olympus prime did you use ? I'm interested in the 12mm f/2.
Given that Olympus' stabilization happens in the camera body, I'm not sure testing with a Panasonic lens would make too much of a difference in an IBIS test. Even old, manual everything 35mm glass mounted via adapter would make use of the camera's 5 axis stabilization. (Although it's probably already clear, just for clarification's sake all stabilization is turned off during the high res shooting mode as the camera is using that mechanism in reverse to grab its multiple shots. I'm assuming in your follow up post regarding IBIS you were we're talking about other non-high res still use of the camera or for video shooting. Also assuming, as the camera was on a tripod here, all the Panasonic IS was also already off in this example.)
That said, I DO wish the outdoor portion of the high res test was done paired with an Oly lens just to keep things cleaner and on the chance Olympus is eking a little something extra out of its own hardware as they do with some correction for their own lenses. Would have been nice to see it with the 12-40 2.8 pro or some Oly prime under perfect-ish weather conditions just to see what this high res process could do at its best outside. Would be nice to push it to find the edge of its useful limits (limits that I'm still holding out hope are at least slightly beyond the studio).
Actually got this camera body just a few days ago, but haven't had a chance to play with this feature yet beyond a couple of quick shots of random junk already on the table in front of it. No tripod, decent light, etc. High res wasn't the primary selling point of the mk II for me, but it's nice to have around. My potential use of the feature would be primarily studio still life/product type things, so the review has still left me pleased with my purchase. Where outdoor high res is concerned I assumed from the start it'd carry the same ghosting type shortcomings that any bracketed multiple exposure composite type thing like HDR would entail.
Thanks for the video, T&C. Am really looking forward to the more in depth review of the camera. Really enjoy all the work you two do and appreciate you putting it out there.
@@TonyAndChelsea Do you know you need to TURN OFF lens built-in image stabilization when using Olympus High Resolution Mode ? Was it off in Chelsea photo ?
Great, WTG Olympus. I expect something similar from Sony. But it could be done with only two shutter releases, if they would be electronic it coluld be even handheld probably... Thanks for nice demonstration.
Im excited to see your review
Hey! Great little video
What was the flash trigger you used on the EM5 MKII? And would it work with the original EM%?
Thanks :)
Andy_Curtis28 Hi, Andy. Any studio light trigger will work with any standard hotshoe. Here's a comparison: th-cam.com/video/bMFjM9dzSzQ/w-d-xo.html
I stopped the review at: Olympus are going to need better glasses. Inform yourself next time.
Having come from a background in large format cameras, I still wonder why so many cameras make such a big deal about mega pixels.. Having owned both a Mk1 and a Mk2, I have not bothered with the so called 40MP option.. because if you know how to a take a real photo in a JPEG, you will get the quality you need without having to rely on a RAW file and Photoshop.
Way too many people these days are lost without a computer and yet I am able to produce A0 size prints using the best standard setting on this camera and the results are impressive.. and at a smaller A1 size the results are stunning.. so I would always encourage people to learn how to interpretate light, get a grip with their exposure and save them selves loads of money and time
Can the Hi Res mode on the Olympus be used without a tripod or even just a handheld small tripod?
I have something for you to test that I haven't seen *anyone* else do:
Which lenses are the best to use with macro extension tubes? The good old Canon 50mm f1.4 is pretty good with the macro tubes. I get good magnification, likeable bokeh, and a workable distance between lens and subject. But, I only have a handful of lenses (and no Nikon gear). Knowing which lenses are good with macro tubes could be a deal-breaker for those who are torn between two lenses.
Does that sound like something you might do?
Tony Northrup I am a hybrid video/stills guy currently using a Gh4. I get good stills (mostly portraits and landscapes) from the GH4 but am looking for more. Considered going to the a7ii or a7r, but am currently heavily invested in M43 glass (including my lovely 42.5 Nocitcron. Should I sell some of my glass and invest in a new platform, or is there a possibility that Olympus will greatly improve the usability of the 40mp high res mode either via a firmware update or in the Em-1 ii to make it faster so i could possibly use it for portraits ?
christian santiago you should sell everything and give up on photography ..... your pictures stink like rotten manure on a hot humid day ....
Can you involve the 'Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro M.Zuiko' lens? It is a combination I bought yesterday as my first serious camera. I bought this camera instead of the Nikon D5500 that I was going for in the first place. Anyone, please share your thoughts on that.
Maybe you did, But I'd like to see the single 16mp Raw compared to the 40mp super pixel blend. I am quite interested in lens resolving limitations. I'm planning on getting the 50mpx next gen Sony. But wonder if the lenses will even show a difference?
FilmFactry I should have included that in the video (we will for the full review). The difference is profound, though. It's not just a megapixel increase--each individual pixel can register red, blue, and green spectrums, which is why it produced so much more detail in the orange label than the D810.
Hi, im interested in this camera, i currently have a nikon d5300, i need to produce very large detailed photos, will the d5300 do the job or the olympus? The d5300 has 24mp to olympus's 40, does this matter?
Nice video Tony and Chelsea. Very curious to hear your thoughts on this camera as it represents another step in the maturation of M43. It seems like you guys getting more and more M43 stuff between the GH4, EM10 and the handful of lenses you have. That 75mm f1.8 is one hell of a lens, isn't it?
Sherman Shen Yeah, I'm amazed at the sharpness of that 75mm. It's my favorite M43 lens... not that it gets as much use as the 14-140, but it's awesome.
Tony Northrup Hi Tony, do you use a lot of M43? I am using E-M5 II, coupled with 12-40. I think 12-40 is already very sharp, but you also mentioned that Sigma 18-35 performs even better. Not sure if it's too much of works for you, but is it possible for you to do a quick side-by-side comparison of these 2 lens? I am curious how much sharper can the 18-35 go! :D
PS:/ In anyway, thanks for the video! :D
which tri-pod would you reccomend ?
That's probably a silly question but did you see something weird with the drops slowly going down the bottle on the Olympus?
Awesome test, thanks for taking the time to make the comparison.
Just a suggestion for the full review, use the Olympus app on iOS or Android, and you could use your phone as a shutter release... Very important for the MkII high res mode as the slightest movement could effect the test.
Jay Soriano We used a 4 second delayed shutter, which is plenty of time for the vibration to disappear.
Tony Northrup Yes, but you had strap on the camera, and tripod center pole extended, causing problems. The HRS mode requires very sturdy tripod outdoors and no straps in camera. The sensor shift movement is so small that even the slight wind hitting to tripod easily gets it cause blurry shot.
It needs to be handled outdoors like a technical camera. There is reason why photographers don't use straps in their cameras if they are using tripods, or doing landscape.
Sure it looks you didn't have wind, but that is just the thing that needs to be taken care in outdoors with that camera. And on many situations you need to set Anti-Shock to 2-4 seconds as if there is people walking near by, the vibrations can be transmitted trough tripod to sensor. It is very delegate technology and requires really good handling. The thing is that the camera placement is the problematic, not the subject motion. Same thing happens with any high resolution camera like Nikon D8xx or Sony A7r or coming Canon etc. Sturdy tripod and remotes, no straps etc etc required to get all out of the sensors.
I'd love to see a comparison between high res and 16 mp mode along with a 5DS comparison (when the 5DS becomes available obviously)
Amazing! What will the camera manufacturers come up with next? I wonder if you could do a HDR 40mp tone-mapped image from a series of bracketed images....
I would like for high speed to become available soon. Imagine 500fps @ 4k in a DSLR. *purr*
Were the artifacts in the first attempt at hi-res outside more a problem with software vs lens?
Lee Xiong The chromatic aberration is caused by the lens but can be improved with software.
Can this do tethered USB shooting like the E-M1?
you noted the chromatic aberration on the lens, if you were to use an Olympus lens there are profiles built into the camera body that are designed to eliminate chromatic aberration and diffraction with Olympus lenses. It may be worth testing an Olympus lens vs a Panasonic lens especially in the 40MP JPG / 64MP Raw mode
James L Sure, but those profiles are only useful with JPGs, and we shoot raws. Chromatic aberration, sharpness, and other aspects of image quality are pretty consistent between the Panasonic and Olympus lenses. Regardless, CA isn't a huge deal for us--it can generally be fixed in post.
Tony Northrup yes but the CA you refer to in the video is in a 40MP JPG. Also I've never seen diffraction correction in photoshop.
James L BTW - love your videos
James L Do you work for Olympus or something James? ;)
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Probably not, but he has a good point.
the panasonic 12-35mm like any m43 lens is depending on in camera lens corrections to get rid off chromatic aberations.
Buyers should invest in the 12-40 Olympus instead. as it is sharper and does work with the in camera lens corrections.
I am actually pretty impressed by the technology of the em-5 mk2.
With faster burst speeds and readout speeds this might actually become a lot more useful in the future.
For now i guess it's more or less just a gimmick.
Loved the BGM and obviously the D810..!!!
What do you think of the E-M10 Mark III
Hey tony and chelsea, I've noticed the tripod mount your using is a Manfrotto brand but i'm trying to determine what specific kind it is? If anyone else knows please feel free to comment, mostly appreciated!
C4rt3Bl4nch3 We probably cover it here: th-cam.com/video/QyfKVpgSw_s/w-d-xo.html
Tony Northrup Cool, thanks! Very helpful! Can't wait for the full review :)
Off topic but have you heard of the Panasonic cm1 "communication camera" running on android? I know it's early for any speculations since it's not available yet in the US but was wondering if you would ever consider it if the price later became just right. I know I am stirring the pot with this question but I would love to hear guy's thoughts and opinions to what you see towards future development with this new integration. Do you think it is a step forward for photo enthusiasts who would like a better walk around shooting experience over their standard smartphones? And yes I am implying the whole saying, "the best camera is the one we carry around with us". Since it's in your realm of expertise maybe a future review?
Keep up the good work! Yall are the best!
what better em1or the em mark5 for video and pictures
Can I shoot long exposure with highres shot?
Gimmick or not, using this technique on a cold and blustery day indoors for macro would produce amazing results, as long as you don't shoot people and landscapes/seascapes with any movement at all, you're good to go.
atyl1972 Yes, I totally agree that it's perfect for macro work.
Tony Northrup Yup, this is what i'm going to use it for when i get one, and close up detail work also, funny thing is i'll be receiving the 75mm 1.8, and the 12-40 pro lenses before i get the camera in my hands, and probably the 60mm macro too :-)
atyl1972 You will be amazed how uselful that HRS mode is, as you are not limited to studio or macro. You can get very awesome landscape photographs as well. As the HRS isn't limited to ~1 second exposure, your limits are 8 seconds per frame, taking 8 frames. You can easily use just 3 or 4 stops ND filters to achieve same results as using 8 or 10 stops ND filters.
Reviewers are just too attached to the guideline "Camera needs to be on tripod" that it is meaning you can't photograph anything that is in motion. FALSE!
Creative mind seems to be needed to reveal the HRS mode usefulness, sad that most reviewers doesn't have that.
Tips for shooting landscape:
- for the chromatic abberation - it is usually better with higher F number; 5.6 may be better than 3.5, which was used (note: background was blurred more than Nikon)
- for the artefacts - (because it appeared in the sculpture) it may be caused by the wind; you should block the wind with your body to help the tripod; maybe also increase shutter timeout should help (you used 4 seconds)
Could you repeat the test if it helps?
Jano Haluška I thought about the wind moving the tripod, too, but there are parts of the picture with no artifacts, and we took MANY pictures at that scene and they all had exactly the same artifacts... Wind would have been less consistent.
We tried to match the f/stop and focal length equivalents, but the cameras have different aspect ratios, and clearly we weren't exact with the DoF.
what about testing the pocket size point&shoots
nice video quality - and of course nice video from you guys as always - - when is this winter going to end - getting old -
the button layout so much nicer then the EM5 -
of course 40MP for tripod use and no motion - so maybe not so practical - but the flip LCD nice and the better EVF - but maybe not worth the $1100 - I think more a $800-900 in comparison with the Panasonic GX7 and Sony A6000
Great video!
You could argue that the D810, or any other camera, could also make super high resolution images by zooming in close, taking a grid of images (giga-pan style), and stitching them together afterwards to make a HUGE file.
Which is what the Olympus is presumably doing inside the camera. It feels like the reverse of a panorama mode, where it takes a bunch of photos and stitches them together to make a wider picture.
One important question: does the Olympus generate a RAW file when it's in this mode, or is it just a big JPEG?
Richard Dufault Yes, panoramas increase resolution, too, but require even more work. The Olympus isn't making a panorama, it's moving the sensor around in half- and full-pixel increments. It generates a RAW or JPEG.
Hi T&C, If you have any older non-native lenses; Canon FD or EF, or Nikon's, and their associated adapter, it would be cool to see how the E-M5 II manages 'focus peeking' and stopping-down the older glass. Thanks, looking forward to the complete review, it sure looked cold, yikes...
Jerry Johnson Heya, Jerry. This video addresses that pretty precisely: th-cam.com/video/HhgLN_AO-S4/w-d-xo.html
Focus peaking works, but it's not very precise... it's better than nothing, though. And old full-frame lenses on 2x crop bodies are remarkably unsharp--so much that I personally didn't enjoy using them. A Sony a7 would give better results.
Tony Northrup Thanks for the link, Tony, I've looked at the a7II and am seriously considering it. For now I'm going to play it safe and get a 6D as it will give me what I need for the moment. The alt-lens issue is still an internal debate for me, I may just divest myself of all older 'film' gear, digital is so much easier with these still fingers, Take Care!
Tony Northrup My only gripe with the a7's is no touch screen, one would help so much, the Oly's touch screens just seem very usable...
Thanks for the link, Tony, touch and a wired remote for me are near mandatory, and the remote needs to be small enough to be used in-mouth with my tongue, so far only Canon has remotes I can actually use comfortably, so for now I'll move to FF with the 6D. If I'm able to use WiFi effectively, then I can move to Canon's M3 and either use touch or WiFi. As for my old glass, I'm just experimenting with the intent of selling most of it in the near future. The older I get with this disability the lazier also, stopping down a lens with these cokebottleglassed eyes and my still fingers isn't much fun. It's become a been-there-done-that PITA kind of thing, not worth my time. It's the macro lenses; FDn 50/100//200, even the bellows that most interest me but with the EF 100L IS I'm a happy camper. Cheers!
Does anyone know what the style of photos are for thrusday
I love to see the results of the Sigma Quattro H compared to those two cameras.
Tony, what kind of tripod do you use? Thanks.
Ansvelov Ansvelovich There's this: th-cam.com/video/QyfKVpgSw_s/w-d-xo.html
I would like to see how it compares to the 5DsR
***** We'll definitely do that this summer or fall when the 5Ds-R is available.
I'll look forward untill you get your hands on it
I had to watch this video a few times, just to see that side by side with the D810, I keep feeling like something has to be wrong, because the EM5ll 40mp shot looks so much nicer than the king of resolution D810, and I don't get why there is such a difference, it's only 4mp, is the micro 4/3 lens resolving more mp ? what lens were you using ? or was something wrong with the D810 settings, it just seems like somethings wrong, but i'm not saying the test isn't accurate, it just feels like something must be wrong, anyway, there are allot of outdoor shots that could be taken with the EM5ll in the 40mp mode, that doesn't have anything moving, like rock cliffs, or buildings, I think there are many times that feature could be used, and i am sure some eyes are opening in some other camera companies with this technology, you could have a camera like the Sony A7ll, that could also have this sensor shift technology, it would be amazing, especially in a year or two when the tech has evolved, so the sensor shift is so fast, it can be used hand held, you have to hand it to Olympus for once again coming out with something that shakes up the camera world
Being a train photographer I would like to see some shots of those super fast Northeast corridor trains zinging along at about 100 mph.
The new Profoto B2 please!
Tony Northrup Is the Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 PRO really not that sharp? Some reviews say it could replace the 12mm/17mm/25mm Olympus primes as optically it is just as good but obviously not quite as fast. Would also be interesting to see a review of the new Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO if you are able to get a hold of one.
Keep up the great work.
GuerillaRadio It's not that sharp. It gets about 9 P-MPix on an E-M1, which is about the same detail as the cheapo Canon and Nikon kit lenses.
Tony Northrup
These lenses are sharp wide-open across the frame.
cheapo kit-lenses can reach similar levels of detail on larger sensor Apsc bodies.
But only when stopped down to F6.3 and up.
Which in turn leads to more noise if you need the light.
The 12-35 is also rated at 9 p-mpix. but look at the field map on Dxo. It's less sharp at the wide range of the olympus.
Being better at just the 35mm setting.
Tony Northrup Only uses DXO to compare lenses/cameras and not his EYES like everyone else. He lives in a matrix like world where he can see flowers and clouds in a stream of green characters running down the screen. The 12-40 is razor sharp and can produce very large prints on m43 bodies.
Paul Taylor
Well Dxo does bring us the biggest ammount of measurements we can compare across brands.
So it's still a very good tool to compare systems.
But with Dxo like tony has said himself about the sensor scores.you should not look at just a number.
Take a look at the field maps. And those show really good values for a m43 zoom lens.
Obviously it won't reach fullframe standards and the sigma 18-35 is in it's own class as well. But the 12-40 is by no means a bad lens.
1barnet1 DX0 doesn't give you the real values, they compensate the values based format, twisting the comparison with non-metered ratios. With DXO you can't compare different formats at all, only same format. Their tests vary radically even with same gear.
Only good way to test gear is to go out, rent it and do comparison by yourself. Sorry. DX0 charts and numbers are just there to sell stuff, not to valuate qualities.
You guys are the greatest!
I think for many landscapes photographers small size of camera is more important. Marcin Dobas for example went from DSLRs to Olympus.
He also made some cool 40 mpx photo of architecture: dobas.art.pl/blog/om-d-em-5-ii-40-mpx/
So after the first shot with the panasonic lens, Chelsea said at 1:51 that olympus needs to build better lenses. Better what? panasonic lenses? I am so confused.
Nick Parau The image qualities are very similar, which is to say, not great. No manufacturer has made pro-quality standard zooms for MFT--most people who need that lens use the Sigma 18-35 f1.8 with a speed-booster.
Tony Northrup well i tested the 12-40 2.8 it was stellar. but with this 40mpx feature there is more detail in good and bad.
Can you do a studio portrait with the 75mm?
Nick Parau It's seems they don't own the Olympus 12-40 2.8 Pro lens. It's a very very good zoom, in the range of 12-35 it is ridiculously sharp, even very good full open at 2.8. Best at 4.0
Every serious review of this lens (there are plenty, just google them) proofs that.
TheOli4D I can't take seriously a review that says that Olympus (or Panasonic) needs to make a better objectives, when their trashed 12-40mm (by using Panasonic equivalent) beats even their promoted Sigma 18-35mm in sharpness by 25%. And that is at f/2.8 vs f/4.
Tony Northrup My Panasonic pro zooms perform at least as well as my Canon L zooms. Pretty much every other reviewer agrees the Panasonic glass is very good, even excellent. Your comment here is so glib that I find it hard to credit you with any credibility at all.
does the image stabilization work with manual lens and an adapter? thanks
yes :)
thanks
was there ever a full review for this camera?
I'm still waiting on it lol
I think Tony and Chelsea do not like Olympus..always grinding their products
@@facedown9754 exaxtly, because they are not getting paid by olympus like they are with sony and Canon. People here on yt should understand they are not real photographers they are gear reviewers.
Em 5 mark 2 or Canon 80D?
Check sdp.io/whichcamera
Do you think Sony will support this multi exposure Super High Res in their 5-axis cameras?
FilmFactry I hope so! We could squeeze 90 MP out of an a7R II with it.
Tony Northrup There should also be a noise reduction aspect to blending the multi exposures. Are the individual RAWs still available on the SD card, or just processed. It would be easy to fix the weird moving branches in PS. Remember how HDR Efex Pro does ghost removal.
prepare your charts for the 5DsR
why did you use a pana lens on the test? you cant say olympus has to work on glass if you use other brand...
odd using a Panasonic zoom which is not really representative of Olympus primes at all !!!!!
You could get more detail out of the D810 by using it handheld and in burst mode get like 10 pictures, then stack them in photoshop, with minor movement between each picture you will get much better aliasing, or for still life you could move the tripod between each shot since you have the time to.
Or you can go bananas with panoramas.
Olympus needs to produce high quality glass? I think you need to better inform yourselves as to the available Olympus/Panasonic lens lineup and how they work before making ridiculous comments like that. You may want to do a little fact checking before publishing your videos. If you had, you would have realized how silly that comment was when considering that Olympus bodies do not automatically correct for chromatic aberration resulting from Panasonic lenses.
This. It is foolish for Chelsea to level the CA criticism when they are using the Panasonic lens. Of course, there is an Oly zoom out. Why not use that lens for the test? Very amateurish.
So is the weakness of the Panasonic 12-35 well known, or does it happen only because of the large number of megapixels?
Is the weakness of the Panasonic 12-35 Olympus's fault?
How is the CA the OMz 12-40?
Nick Dsnik thats what i was thinking.. why fault the olympus when they're using panasonic glass
Nick Dsnik The artifacts are the camera's fault, the CA is the lens' fault... but the Panasonic 12-40 has similar image qualities. There's really not a pro-grade standard zoom for the MFT system. Well, there are lenses that are priced at pro levels... but that Olympus 75mm f1.8 (used for the second test) is UNBELIEVABLY sharp!
Nick Dsnik
The TruePic VII processor, used both in the E-M1 and now in the E-M5 Mk2, introduced some in-body corrections for Olympus lenses only and apparently also only when shooting JPG. See www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympus-om-d-e-m1. In my personal experience however when shooting RAW and editing with Lightroom, I've been impressed with the lack of CA when using Olympus lenses on my E-M1, in particular the 12-40 and 40-150, whereas I have often had to remove it when using Panasonic lenses on the E-M1, in particular the 20 and 25. Not sure if Panasonic lenses are similarly corrected on Panasonic bodies, but I believe I have read something along those lines. This approach is becoming quite popular it seems, the X-T1 also introduced something called Lens Modulation Optimizer (www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/x/fujifilm_x_t1/features/page_02.html).
Chelsea and Tony Northrup, I love your videos and your style, but would you mind commenting on that statement in your video? It doesn't make sense to tell Olympus to up their game because you saw CA when using a Panasonic lens. I assume the point you wanted to make was that "glass matters", especially for such high res shots, but you made it sound as if Olympus yet had to release any good glass. You didn't even use an Olympus lens for this test.
Tony Northrup What is funny is that the Olympus 12-40 2.8 is 95% as sharp as the 75mm 1.8. If you actually used the lenses instead of trusting DXO's flawed tests, you would see that at f/4, the Olympus 12-40 2.8 is far out-resolving the 16mp sensor. You yourself say that the 75mm 1.8 is "UNBELIEVABLY sharp!", but yet DXO rates it at only 12mp on the E-M1, which your test on the E-M5 II with the Grey Goose has clearly proven is a false value. Why refer to DXO when your own in house testing is proving their results to be so horribly inaccurate?
Goos stuff!
A few of these comments are hilarious. First and foremost, it's a 16mp MFT camera, and from the initial reviews I've read/watched, it appears as though it's a damn good one at that, certainly up there with the E-M1 & GH4. They've improved on everything since the first E-M5, most notably build quality and video output.
Olympus could have quite easily released this camera with these nice (but maybe underwhelming) improvements (like a lot of manufacturers do) and still sold a bucket load of them. Instead, they've chosen to innovate and include a unique feature that under the right conditions allows you take to a 40mp photo relatively quickly and easily from a camera that is probably a third of the size/weight of a DSLR, and yet people still find something to moan about! What did you expect from a $1,100 compact camera with a MFT sensor?
The fact it has the ability to take photos that rival (and better) those of $3000+ FF cameras is astounding to me. Can't wait for the full review Tony Northrup
Now what we really need anymore is a tilt-shift objective from Olympus/Panasonic with a 25mm and 50mm focal lengths. That has tilt-shift travel enough to make radical changes. There is one native Arax 50mm f/2 tilt-shift objective but their 25mm is not anymore in sale. Shift is 11mm and tilt is 8° and rotates 360°. But 50mm focal length is little bit long for architecture photography. Sure I would take a 17mm as well but 25mm and 50mm would be enough.
mr.tony in DXOMARK this E-M5 II camera only got 73 overal score poin,even this camera more lower then my old camera Nikon D7000 got 80 poin in overal sensor quality,so explain me all DXOMARK are true?or real test more relevant?
YOLO MAN I recommend disregarding the overall score: th-cam.com/video/MRzONYmjH3M/w-d-xo.html
Check my crop factor videos for information about why the ISO score is lower with smaller sensors.
And I don't think DxOMark tests the high-res mode...
So basically it takes 6 photos, internally combines them and viola, you get a 40 MP image.
Does that mean my 5D Mark II shoots 132 MP images externally [like the Sony A7s shoots 4K externally]?
sjs Yes, if you can manage to move your camera precisely 1/2 pixel up, diagonally, and to the side.
Tony Northrup As of yet, I find that way too difficult, but my way is to increase the focal length of the lens, and take a double tiered panorama with 2 sets of 3 photos horizontal. My final photo's MP count is just over 100MP.
+sjs The Mk II's high res mode takes 8 images.
CAS3000 "The Mk II's high res mode takes 8 images." ???
It takes and combines 8 photos to create the high res image. Was just correcting the 6 you mentioned. From Olympus' press release:
'The 40-Megapixel High-Res Shot mode captures eight sequential images, moving the sensor by 0.5-pixel steps between each shot. Then, the E-M5 Mark II compiles those images to produce a super-high resolution shot that rivals those captured with a 40-megapixel full-frame camera.'
Why are you testing a function that merges several images where a background is moving and then be surprised at the blurr? Then run a test with the sort of flash that very few people would have?
You don't need better glass for the multi-shot feature. The camera takes 8 x 16MP shots and combines them before downsampling them to 40MP... you're not trying to capture 40MP detail through the lens.
+Jack the Hat Photographic You're still capturing 40 megapixels of detail through the lens.
No you're not, at least not all at once. If I walked around the streets and took 100 separate photos on a 16MP camera you would't say that I captured 1600 megapixels through the lens would you? That's why you don't need lenses that are any better quality than normal for the high-res mode on this camera. It's 8 completely separate photographs stitched together.
Actually you're capturing 64MP of detail through the lens in a SINGLE image WITHOUT MOVING THE LENS. Olympus will announce high resolving f1.2 primes starting at Photokina next month.
People walking about near the sculpture could have contributed to the artifacts too.
Pen-F does 50mp jpegs...and 80mp raw. That makes it the second best still life camera in the world, including medium format lmao
Too many obstacles to produce a 40 mega-pixel image. It would drive me insane if every time I wanted to shoot a quality photo, I would have to jump through so many hoops to achieve it.
I know but in this day and age you wouldn't expect so much trouble to take a photo.
EverythingTech Welcome to any any studio to do photography and you are there "jumping many hoops" to get your shot. Photography has not changed, it isn't "point'n'shoot" even today. Still many do it so.
Sure it has gone easier to see results and use the results in last 10 years alone (compare 2005 vs 2015) at consumers but nothing really has changed in photography itself in last 20-30 years when the first spot metering etc came to SLR cameras (like Olympus OM-4 with multi-point metering function).
Yes, like you said. We don't need another pointless solution that reverses the process of taking photos enjoyable. Limited and pointless me thinks :)
EverythingTech The Olympus HRS mode isn't pointless solution. It is normal every day photography world situation where we use tripods, we use flashes, we use all kind extra gear. You need to lug a tripod in many situations if you want to use your 36Mpix 135 format DSLR/DSLM with its maximal potential and avoid motion blur because taking photos handheld for landscape etc. There is no easy way to deliver high quality results every time when dealing with high resolution.
Ok, so is it something that you use all the time? Say, something like a 36mpxl camera where you can choose to downsize for space or workflow reasons. I prefer to shoot at the maximum resolution all the time, in very rare situations I will shoot at a lower resolution. With the E-M5 II it's the other way around. I just don't know if I would go through so much trouble and because of that it would be a feature that it's there but not used after the initial excitement is over. Kinda like the 120fps on the iPhone 5S or the 240fps on the iPhone 6. At least thats the way I feel, I don't know about other people?
Aww men I just can't seem to get a break can't find the perfect camera and can't use Sony because they said there not making cameras anymore what an I going to do can't go to d7100 because I don't like how it is made and feel like it's going to break in my hands. Jeezs
Tony, does this camera has the Nikon DF feel?
supertamal2000 It's smaller and lighter, but the retro style is similar.
DSLRs still have their place in the market.
5ds!
It is just a sensor movement to make the resulotion bigger. You can do it photoshop so guess D800 is going to be how much mega pixels ?
Try this petapixel.com/2015/02/21/a-practical-guide-to-creating-superresolution-photos-with-photoshop/
+Orgil Orgildinho Sure, or you can get even better results by creating a panorama with a more telephoto lens.
In Raw it´s actually 60MP. Why do people don´t get this..
Correct i think it's because more people shoot JPEG not sure ....
Olympus using Interpolation.... depend of the subject, sometimes making your images look worse
Tony you simply rule
Rampart No, YOU rule.
Yes! being as useless photographer as I am - can you test quick full auto point and shoot on the fly please :-)
***** It's actually a great camera for the casual photographer--it generally focuses and exposes everything great, and it's really easy and fun to use. It's not great for moving subjects, but otherwise, it's the perfect casual camera.
Tony Northrup I really enjoy your vids, and maybe I do use the wrong cam (HS30EXR) to be learning with, but most good shots are by accident. I have spent hours playing with settings etc. like you say to do and while I do want to move up, sometimes I just need to know how good or bad a fast grab photo a cam can take, if you see my point.
Thanks for the reply :-)
***** when you are learning it doesnt matter where you start..