Omg I cannot thank you enough for this video!!! I find these pumps to be the most fascinating mechanical device ever made, now thanks to you i can build my own and save a few hundred dollars!!!
I bet that , if you just took that plastic hose connected to that barrel up on that wall and fed it out that gate to where you were spraying the water from the ram . The water would have came out faster than going through the ram.The big wall meant nothing because the height was canceled out by the siphon effect coming down the other side. . Your theory was still bang on and rams do work.Great video .
Ram pumps can run for as long as you have a un interupted flow of water entering them. Some pumps in the uk are over 150 years old and still running. Obviously you have to carry out maintenance and occasional replacement of parts, but by and large these pumps are very simple and extremely long lasting, mine is a small home made design, the big commercial models are often made out of cast iron and gun metal. Cheers, J
The key part of the design is the check valve, that allows that pulse past, then seals off when the water wants to flow back that way. And even that is pretty simple, its essentially a swinging gate inside the valve that can only open one direction...
@Dieseljonnyboy I tested mine today, it works! Theres so much leakage below the no return valve that I didn't have to add a snifter valve haha! I made a vid of it I'll upload it soon. Now I'm going to build one from metal pipe.
Yes you are quite right, plastic pumps are no where near as tough as steel / iron and will not last as long, plus the transfer of the pressure wave is inferior. However i have just been building these for a bit of fun and to show people who are interested in this sort of technology. These little plastic pumps will work quite well in the little streams and brooks we have in the UK. I have also built a couple of pumps out of galvanised iron, which as you state is best. Thanks be good to see yours.
@mtororuiz Actually the reservoir was lower then the wall, i don't remember seeing you there, later i used the pump to lift water up to the roof of the house. These pumps have been in use for over two hundred years.
Great video, absolute brilliant ;-) I wonder if you could find time one day and make a video how you build that pump from scratch? Thanks for sharing :-)
@MyAmericanSafari I can't see why not, the only thing is that you use a lot of water to raise a little. the usual efficiency of a ram pump is 33 percent of the water to the outlet, the rest is used to pump the water up. so you need a large, free supply of water at reasonable elevation to power the pump and supply the water. ram pumps are most effective in very rural areas due to the availability of large free water supplies to power the pumps.
This is a demo, so the pump supply is a barrel of water, normally it would be in a stream and as as long as there is an un-interupted water supply the pump will run continuously with minimum maintenance.
And how do you suggest directing the water back in? The output line has to remain air tight at all times otherwise the pump will stop working and lose it's pressure. That's why the output water has to be higher then the pump. There are specific guidelines to follow and calculate when building a ram pump. No need to assume you know everything when you obviously don't.
Nice design! The swing flap valve that he is using for a clack valve is prone to heavy wear , and will not last long. I designed a clack valve that lasted me over 2 years without a single fail. I made it out of simple parts that can be found at any hardware store. If needed I can send, via, email, a simple diagram I drew up of it. It may even be cheaper to make that the brass valve that he is using costs.
Ok..I'm a believer!!! Do you think it would work with a well as a supply tank (head) with it's level near ground level , with a dry parallel well bored along side it to put the pump in...thinking where the waste water would go??!
I can adjust the impulse valve by tilting it. Unfortunately galvanised iron is expensive in the UK. But you are dead right in stating that iron is best. For a long lasting pump iron wins every time. I have a 2' Green and Carter pump made in Taunton, England in the 1920s and its still in perfect condition. Be great to see your design. Thanks for looking and commenting.
I also think that you can pump some water higher than the original level by using a water wheel to turn an impeller type pump...may be more efficient..the water wheel does not need much head to produce a lot of shaft hp so a relatively small pump could easily pump higher than source albeit at a much reduced rate..see my "water wheel and copper men video"
The water pump idea is ok and it does work but the demonstration is kinda useless. The water starts at 2-2.5 meters height goes down to 0 goes up lets say 4 meters and back to 0 trough the tube, wich does not need a pump (if you "manually" start it by sucking and make the water pass the 4 meters gap till it will arive at ground level it will start flowing thanks to gravity and difference of level from the first 2-2.5 meters or as long as the ending point of the tube is lower then the source). My point is that the demonstration should be on top of that wall not on the side, because you are not showing what the pump does but the power of gravity. Dont get me wrong but this is my opinion
If you are just the other side of the wall then the loop over the wall is insignificant surely..what happens if you take the outlet to the top of the wall..i.e above the level of the supply water butt?
That would be a perpetual machine. You can put the wasted water into a container and put the container back into the barrel but that requires energy. Or you let the wasted water evaporate and when it rains, you recollect the water.
Hi Not really making best use of the pump, best thing is to pump the water into a header/storage tank which then can subsequently feed your drip irrigation hoses. Cheers and thanks for looking / commenting
Hi DJB Enjoyed the simplicity of your pump, not syphon (some peoples comments are daft mate). I was wondering, from your experience, if we were to put some sort of pipe from the wasted water to save it or direct it, would this effect the efficiency of the Ram Pump? In Australia, where we are moving to this year, water is a premium and streams are hard to find. Finding a way to use all water is paramount. Cheers for the video demo. David
hey mate great video.. question: is it possible to make these ram pumps in a smaller scale or is there a minimum requirement at some point? Would like to make a small version for some project
So if I understand correctly, there is a small reservoir which is used to burst the water into the larger reservoir (vertical tube). Once the pressure in the vertical tube is high enough, it pushes the water to the output tube? Is this how it works? I believe the same principal can be used to capture the faint electrical potential there is between the ground and an elevated plate or antenna.
I like the poly pipe (pvc pipe for me as I'm in Canada), because it's easy to find and rebuild with. but i'm wondering if this pump has been continuously tested for any length of time, and how long did the plastic last?
What if you put a turbine at some point into system and you #1 generated electricity. #2 you could have a bucket catch the spill over and jet spray and have a second ram pump that also back to the holding tank. It could run the turbine for hours before one would have to add water to the system. #3 add a floating add water value so that as time went on small amounts of water could be added to account for spillage and leaks so that you could make electricity for hours on end with a jug of water
I just made one very similar with 2 check valve, but doesn't work, when hits the valve that makes the pump instead of make it continuously it just makes one hit and then stays. Tha provokes the next valve open and continuously pass the water. I need HELP Thanks.
tom Me hi, it was where I used to work; sadly it was sold and I had to move on. I was there 8 years and lived on site working in a team restoring the house and grounds: standerwick court, near Frome, Somerset. Beautiful place.cheers
Yes as long as the output is higher than the feed. But remember that 90% of the water goes to waste so eventually you will empty the feed tank. This does not apply if using a constant water source like a stream.
Good video guys. I assume that without the snifter valve the pump would eventually stop working? How did you hold the snifter valve in place and what clearance did you find worked?
Sravan Banoth , well yep...if you have a big huge tank with the ball valve (tap) at the very bottom of the tank and you connect your hydraulic ram's inlet to the ball valve, the pump will work. It will not lift a lot but it will lift definitely.
Hi, Could do with a bit more info. Sounds like your impulse valve is not working properly. I use two different valves; a spring check valve for the non return valve and a swing check valve for the impulse valve. There can be a fair bit of trial and error in setting these things up. I'm no expert, but give me some more info on supply etc, can you post a video og your pump and we can have a better look at whats going on.
James gibson-cranch th-cam.com/video/4k-0C4HxfLI/w-d-xo.html plus check out my other videos they detail all parts and assembly from scratch. Cheers, johny
with that water tank sitting up high like that, seems like gravity itself should give you all the pressure you need to go over that wall or anywhere else..so, would this work and pull water UP from a creek that sits down in a 10ft deep stream, about 12ft behind my greenhouse? It would need to push it up the 10ft bank in order to get up in the yard, then over to the greenhouse itself
YES !!! www.instructables.com/id/Hydraulic-Ram-Pump/ I built one and it pumps over a quart a minute with 3' fall on supply side and pushes water up over ten feet rise at 4-5 psi.
and how are you going to feed the waste water back into the output Einstein? Have you ever seen water move upwards on it's on? Without help from a pump or being under pressure?
It all depends on your supply head, the greater the supply head then the greater your delivery head will be. This little pump had a 2 meter supply head and lifted water right to the roof of the house approximately 15m easily. As you increase the height your output will drop. Cheers and thanks for watching and commenting.
@Dieseljonnyboy Although, most probably those who own the house do not necessarilly have the feeling of joy of life that you have, and in the end, life is a feeling...
Its not always easy to remember things when your shooting a film and trying to multitask all at the same time. Plus i have the gift of Autism!! Try shooting some movies yourself and you will see that its not as easy as you think. Thanks for watching and hope you learned a thing or two about ram pumps.
Sorry, but it could work without the pump, your watertank is higher as where the water is going out of the pipe, if the pipe is cut at the top of the wall, and water comes out of it, i can trust its a pump. But the pipe is full of water, and the gravaty can move the water allone
@AdamCanFly Okay, there seems to be a lot of sceptics out there, i will when i get time set up another demo to show the pump sending water to a greater height. I had know idea that my little video clip would generate so many views. Thanks for watching and your comments.
Take a look at my latest ram pump video, its a better demo and should make you eat your words, take a look and let me know what you think, if i don't here back then i will assume your suitably impressed, LOL.
no, what happens is there is a main chamber with a valve at the top and side, the side feeds into a small open ended tank. The water moves in from the side, pushes the side one shut, and goes up to the top one and compresses the air at the top. Then the water at the top moves down, closing the valve and it goes out the upper one.
help me :) we constructed the same model what u did in the video ,for lifting the water nearly 2metres to 5 metres ,but it is not working properly :) can u give u email id so that i can send the constructed,model images :) hoping for a quick reply..
Omg I cannot thank you enough for this video!!! I find these pumps to be the most fascinating mechanical device ever made, now thanks to you i can build my own and save a few hundred dollars!!!
It is indeed a working a working ram. Would liked to have seen the outflow of the riser at peak height (top of that lovely wall). Well done anyhow!
There is no waste water, the 90% continues downstream to your neighbours ram pump.
This will save a bunch of money.Good idea to collect spring water for free.
I bet that , if you just took that plastic hose connected to that barrel up on that wall and fed it out that gate to where you were spraying the water from the ram . The water would have came out faster than going through the ram.The big wall meant nothing because the height was canceled out by the siphon effect coming down the other side. . Your theory was still bang on and rams do work.Great video .
Ram pumps can run for as long as you have a un interupted flow of water entering them. Some pumps in the uk are over 150 years old and still running. Obviously you have to carry out maintenance and occasional replacement of parts, but by and large these pumps are very simple and extremely long lasting, mine is a small home made design, the big commercial models are often made out of cast iron and gun metal.
Cheers, J
By bringing the clear hose over and back down the wall you created a syphon so you didn't really need the pump to keep the syphon going.
I'm sure he knows that. he only had it over the wall for demonstration.
But if he knew that, he also knew he was demonstrating a syphon, not a ram pump! A wasteful syphon at that. LOL. (Hello Robert of two years ago. )
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OMG ..that dude is good looking !! wow what a house too ....oh yeah neat pump too
@SuperKONR Hi, thanks for your kind comments, glad you enjoyed it. Good luck with your project, keep in touch. Cheers.
Its bent so to retain it, its moves back and forth with the pulse of the pump and prevents the hole from becoming blocked. Cheers, John
Great video, makes me think I could make my own.
Thanks. You sure can!
The key part of the design is the check valve, that allows that pulse past, then seals off when the water wants to flow back that way.
And even that is pretty simple, its essentially a swinging gate inside the valve that can only open one direction...
Cheers, glad you enjoyed the video. Hoping to get a pump set up in a local stream soon for a full on demo. J
Great video Johnny thank you for the demonstration!
@Dieseljonnyboy I tested mine today, it works! Theres so much leakage below the no return valve that I didn't have to add a snifter valve haha! I made a vid of it I'll upload it soon. Now I'm going to build one from metal pipe.
Yes you are quite right, plastic pumps are no where near as tough as steel / iron and will not last as long, plus the transfer of the pressure wave is inferior. However i have just been building these for a bit of fun and to show people who are interested in this sort of technology. These little plastic pumps will work quite well in the little streams and brooks we have in the UK. I have also built a couple of pumps out of galvanised iron, which as you state is best. Thanks be good to see yours.
@mtororuiz Actually the reservoir was lower then the wall, i don't remember seeing you there, later i used the pump to lift water up to the roof of the house. These pumps have been in use for over two hundred years.
Great video, absolute brilliant ;-) I wonder if you could find time one day and make a video how you build that pump from scratch? Thanks for sharing :-)
@MyAmericanSafari I can't see why not, the only thing is that you use a lot of water to raise a little. the usual efficiency of a ram pump is 33 percent of the water to the outlet, the rest is used to pump the water up. so you need a large, free supply of water at reasonable elevation to power the pump and supply the water. ram pumps are most effective in very rural areas due to the availability of large free water supplies to power the pumps.
That would be great I'd like to see it and learn more..
super - well explained thanks
This is a demo, so the pump supply is a barrel of water, normally it would be in a stream and as as long as there is an un-interupted water supply the pump will run continuously with minimum maintenance.
And how do you suggest directing the water back in?
The output line has to remain air tight at all times otherwise the pump will stop working and lose it's pressure.
That's why the output water has to be higher then the pump. There are specific guidelines to follow and calculate when building a ram pump.
No need to assume you know everything when you obviously don't.
Nice design! The swing flap valve that he is using for a clack valve is prone to heavy wear , and will not last long. I designed a clack valve that lasted me over 2 years without a single fail. I made it out of simple parts that can be found at any hardware store. If needed I can send, via, email, a simple diagram I drew up of it. It may even be cheaper to make that the brass valve that he is using costs.
Interesting let me know if you upload it.
Ok..I'm a believer!!!
Do you think it would work with a well as a supply tank (head) with it's level near ground level , with a dry parallel well bored along side it to put the pump in...thinking where the waste water would go??!
I can adjust the impulse valve by tilting it. Unfortunately galvanised iron is expensive in the UK. But you are dead right in stating that iron is best. For a long lasting pump iron wins every time. I have a 2' Green and Carter pump made in Taunton, England in the 1920s and its still in perfect condition. Be great to see your design. Thanks for looking and commenting.
Excelente video, gran invento, pero como resolver el desperdicio de agua de la valvula
I also think that you can pump some water higher than the original level by using a water wheel to turn an impeller type pump...may be more efficient..the water wheel does not need much head to produce a lot of shaft hp so a relatively small pump could easily pump higher than source albeit at a much reduced rate..see my "water wheel and copper men video"
Question on the tiny hole in the snifter valve. Why doesn't the nail or pin get blown out.
The water pump idea is ok and it does work but the demonstration is kinda useless. The water starts at 2-2.5 meters height goes down to 0 goes up lets say 4 meters and back to 0 trough the tube, wich does not need a pump (if you "manually" start it by sucking and make the water pass the 4 meters gap till it will arive at ground level it will start flowing thanks to gravity and difference of level from the first 2-2.5 meters or as long as the ending point of the tube is lower then the source). My point is that the demonstration should be on top of that wall not on the side, because you are not showing what the pump does but the power of gravity. Dont get me wrong but this is my opinion
If you are just the other side of the wall then the loop over the wall is insignificant surely..what happens if you take the outlet to the top of the wall..i.e above the level of the supply water butt?
do you think you could make something like this work with an aquaponics or hydroponic type system?
That would be a perpetual machine.
You can put the wasted water into a container and put the container back into the barrel but that requires energy.
Or you let the wasted water evaporate and when it rains, you recollect the water.
That is where the energy comes from to pump the smaller amount of water higher.
Hi
Not really making best use of the pump, best thing is to pump the water into a header/storage tank which then can subsequently feed your drip irrigation hoses. Cheers and thanks for looking / commenting
Hi DJB
Enjoyed the simplicity of your pump, not syphon (some peoples comments are daft mate).
I was wondering, from your experience, if we were to put some sort of pipe from the wasted water to save it or direct it, would this effect the efficiency of the Ram Pump?
In Australia, where we are moving to this year, water is a premium and streams are hard to find. Finding a way to use all water is paramount. Cheers for the video demo. David
hey mate great video.. question: is it possible to make these ram pumps in a smaller scale or is there a minimum requirement at some point? Would like to make a small version for some project
now many meters up can you life the water?
How about if we close the water system/loop ;) ?
is the split pin nessesary? could it just be a smaller hole?
So if I understand correctly, there is a small reservoir which is used to burst the water into the larger reservoir (vertical tube). Once the pressure in the vertical tube is high enough, it pushes the water to the output tube? Is this how it works? I believe the same principal can be used to capture the faint electrical potential there is between the ground and an elevated plate or antenna.
and how can i improve the efficiency of the pump
hi..will the ram pump work when the water inlet is at ground level..
I like the poly pipe (pvc pipe for me as I'm in Canada), because it's easy to find and rebuild with. but i'm wondering if this pump has been continuously tested for any length of time, and how long did the plastic last?
What if you put a turbine at some point into system and you #1 generated electricity. #2 you could have a bucket catch the spill over and jet spray and have a second ram pump that also back to the holding tank. It could run the turbine for hours before one would have to add water to the system. #3 add a floating add water value so that as time went on small amounts of water could be added to account for spillage and leaks so that you could make electricity for hours on end with a jug of water
Hi, Do you think lengthening the pipe between the impetus valve and non return valve would change the cycling? Is it worth testing?
I just made one very similar with 2 check valve, but doesn't work, when hits the valve that makes the pump instead of make it continuously it just makes one hit and then stays. Tha provokes the next valve open and continuously pass the water. I need HELP Thanks.
i have the same problem .... please help
how much did the porsche cost?
can you do a video tour of your property??? it looks so beautiful. i understand if that's too invasive .. cheers
tom Me hi, it was where I used to work; sadly it was sold and I had to move on. I was there 8 years and lived on site working in a team restoring the house and grounds: standerwick court, near Frome, Somerset. Beautiful place.cheers
Rough old house you've got there mate!! ;p Great vid!
Could you put the out put back into the source making it perpetual motion?
Yes as long as the output is higher than the feed. But remember that 90% of the water goes to waste so eventually you will empty the feed tank. This does not apply if using a constant water source like a stream.
Good video guys. I assume that without the snifter valve the pump would eventually stop working? How did you hold the snifter valve in place and what clearance did you find worked?
great vid, johnny, thanks!
Sravan Banoth , well yep...if you have a big huge tank with the ball valve (tap) at the very bottom of the tank and you connect your hydraulic ram's inlet to the ball valve, the pump will work. It will not lift a lot but it will lift definitely.
is work for pump the well?
That is what they shuld be teaching in schiil insted of "when was the war of 1812"
Hi,
Could do with a bit more info. Sounds like your impulse valve is not working properly. I use two different valves; a spring check valve for the non return valve and a swing check valve for the impulse valve. There can be a fair bit of trial and error in setting these things up. I'm no expert, but give me some more info on supply etc, can you post a video og your pump and we can have a better look at whats going on.
Off course, check out the two videos on my channel, it shows how to do just that, good luck.
Hi Bab, check out the new ram pump video!
Any idea NOT to WASTE the water back into the system?
Its actually very simple, you just let the overflow spill back into the source stream, a little downhill.
Sheesh...
Do you have a parts list for this one please , thanks ,jim
James gibson-cranch th-cam.com/video/4k-0C4HxfLI/w-d-xo.html
plus check out my other videos they detail all parts and assembly from scratch. Cheers, johny
+James gibson-cranch check out the other films its there
www.instructables.com/id/Hydraulic-Ram-Pump/ this one works great !
this seems interesting
could it work if I put the whole body of ram pump inside the deep well?
What do you mean? The water source has to be above the pump.
the short answer is NO.
You can make them smaller no prob, cheers
with that water tank sitting up high like that, seems like gravity itself should give you all the pressure you need to go over that wall or anywhere else..so,
would this work and pull water UP from a creek that sits down in a 10ft deep stream, about 12ft behind my greenhouse?
It would need to push it up the 10ft bank in order to get up in the yard, then over to the greenhouse itself
YES !!! www.instructables.com/id/Hydraulic-Ram-Pump/ I built one and it pumps over a quart a minute with 3' fall on supply side and pushes water up over ten feet rise at 4-5 psi.
I'll let others reply to your comment, clearly you've failed to watch the video properly, lol. Cheers.
Check out the new pump demo see what you think!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
hi,could v use it in 400 feet tube well?
and how are you going to feed the waste water back into the output Einstein?
Have you ever seen water move upwards on it's on? Without help from a pump or being under pressure?
Could this work to pump water from a 300/400ft well.?...?
No
40 pounds of what? what did he say?
It all depends on your supply head, the greater the supply head then the greater your delivery head will be. This little pump had a 2 meter supply head and lifted water right to the roof of the house approximately 15m easily. As you increase the height your output will drop. Cheers and thanks for watching and commenting.
What did he say ? What did he say ?
Which place is this? location ?
im inspired!
the efficiency of a ram pump is usually 33%, idk where you got 10% efficiency from.
It's a case of mistaken identity...Not my pump!
@andreacuteful Sadly not mine! i'm a mere mortal just like you!! I do get to work there which is great.
@Dieseljonnyboy Although, most probably those who own the house do not necessarilly have the feeling of joy of life that you have, and in the end, life is a feeling...
Its not always easy to remember things when your shooting a film and trying to multitask all at the same time. Plus i have the gift of Autism!! Try shooting some movies yourself and you will see that its not as easy as you think. Thanks for watching and hope you learned a thing or two about ram pumps.
Sorry, but it could work without the pump, your watertank is higher as where the water is going out of the pipe,
if the pipe is cut at the top of the wall, and water comes out of it, i can trust its a pump. But the pipe is full of water, and the gravaty can move the water allone
The water flows because of gravity no need a pump
I also realize that this is only a model for demo purposes, just wondering...
Saving water not wasting...
Check out the new ram pump video, its a better demo, LOL
@AdamCanFly Okay, there seems to be a lot of sceptics out there, i will when i get time set up another demo to show the pump sending water to a greater height. I had know idea that my little video clip would generate so many views. Thanks for watching and your comments.
good
You the man
John Hall qwafzx
oh no, you got water on the lens.
Sadly not mine, i think it was about £45K I've got a Ford Mondeo !!
Take a look at my latest ram pump video, its a better demo and should make you eat your words, take a look and let me know what you think, if i don't here back then i will assume your suitably impressed, LOL.
Wait just a minutute isn't this OVER UNITY right there? The Pump is pumping water to higher level than from which it flows using no energy.
no, what happens is there is a main chamber with a valve at the top and side, the side feeds into a small open ended tank. The water moves in from the side, pushes the side one shut, and goes up to the top one and compresses the air at the top. Then the water at the top moves down, closing the valve and it goes out the upper one.
Would have been equal to unity had the same amount as entered inside the pump was delivered at the higher head.
+Naoki Kashima It absolutely is. He started with a 5 gallon bucket of water and ended up with 6 gallons of water. Why aren't we funding this?!?
90% water wastage
No - as the waste water would return back into the watercourse.
help me :) we constructed the same model what u did in the video ,for lifting the water nearly 2metres to 5 metres ,but it is not working properly :) can u give u email id so that i can send the constructed,model images :) hoping for a quick reply..
Okay my email is; fairb@hotmail.co.uk
Also check out my other videos, i have since made some quite detailed construction videos. Cheers J
Part 1 constructing a 1 inch Hydraulic Ram pump made from galvinised steel water pipe fittings.
construction of a ram pump.MP4
you need to see pitbull pumb serch it on you tube.
you should put waste water into a container.
so he can build and explain the operation of the pump in detail, but he dosent know what the fuck 6x6 is?
jestem tak glupi ze nie pojmuje tego
@DirkME1022 Hi I've posted a video of construction, check it out. Cheers